What Are Your Favourite Historical Sites in Ireland and Why?
kfuz...@tinet.ie
is amazing. It is almost impossible for me to make a list and I have
never come across an Irish historic site I didn't love. Here is my
list:
Scattery Island:
Could not beleive the place when I first visted last summer. It is like
ground zero of Irish monastic ruins and history in general. A very tall
round tower, ruined churches, castle and even a town. Everything you
want really, except it's windy as anything.
Rock of Cashel:
It lives up to the hype and the sense of drama approaching in and
inside it, is what makes it special. I would love to see them put on
classic and Irish trad night-time concerts in there as well.
Melifont Abbey:
A low lying version of Cashel with some superb examples of gothic
architecture
Boyle Abbey:
I go here a lot when the weather is nice. It's beautifully looked after
and great for painting and photography and the light is very special.
It is also a place were the spirits of the past very much live still in
there. You can feel their legacy in the walls.
Most Over Rated:
Tara
Telmey®
kfuz...@tinet.ie wrote :
I've heard of tree huggers but..... a wall hugger?
whoa..... I'm out'a here, before it is too late.
Boliath
> There are so many and each county in the country has at least one which
> is amazing. It is almost impossible for me to make a list and I have
> never come across an Irish historic site I didn't love. Here is my
> list:
Thanks a million for that Unki, there's a few I haven't been to on your
list so I'll have to fix that.
I'm partial to the older ruins myself, theres a tour guide/artist near
you in Sligo called Martin Byrne, he does amazing tours of Neolithic
Ireland. I haven't done one of his offical tours but have used his site
to get to different places, he was in college with the Mayoman and we
have some of his art in the house. http://www.carrowkeel.com/
kfuz...@tinet.ie
> kfuz...@tinet.ie wrote:
> I'm partial to the older ruins myself, theres a tour guide/artist near
> you in Sligo called Martin Byrne, he does amazing tours of Neolithic
> Ireland. I haven't done one of his offical tours but have used his site
> to get to different places, he was in college with the Mayoman and we
> have some of his art in the house. http://www.carrowkeel.com/
His work and how he fuses Native art and Irish together is a very
intresting concept to me. He is coming from a similar angle as
Ireland's greatest living painter Louis le Brocquy. In the same way
that le Brocquy fuses the concepts of West Arfican tribal masks with
the Celtic head cult.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Brocquy_Lorca.jpg
Also Louis le Brocquy illustrations of The Tain in 1969 remind me of
Martin Byrne's wood cuts.
http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/new_hibernia_review/v005/full/5.1ni_bhriain_fig06f.jpg
http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/new_hibernia_review/v005/mid/5.1ni_bhriain_fig03m.gif
Once nobody brings up Jim Fitzpatrick's eh "art" then I'm happy.
Boliath
> Boliath wrote:
>>kfuz...@tinet.ie wrote:
>
>> http://www.carrowkeel.com/
> snippity snip
>
> Also Louis le Brocquy illustrations of The Tain in 1969 remind me of
> Martin Byrne's wood cuts.
>
> http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/new_hibernia_review/v005/full/5.1ni_bhriain_fig06f.jpg
>
> http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/new_hibernia_review/v005/mid/5.1ni_bhriain_fig03m.gif
Thanks for that, I didn't see that connection before.
> Once nobody brings up Jim Fitzpatrick's eh "art" then I'm happy.
I'm on the fence with Fitzpatrick...what's your beef with him?
Have you seen any of Ger Sweeneys work lately? He did some gorgeous
metal work here in Boston, then he went home and I heard he's quite the
celebrity now, been told his work took a new direction but haven't seen
any for a few years. Another man that merges all sorts of influences
well he did anyway, might not anymore.
Westprog
of the oldest private houses in Ireland,which was erected inside the castle
grounds. The house was saved by protestors from the council who wanted to
demolish it to build a car park.
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J/
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kfuz...@tinet.ie
> Boliath asked me about Jim Fitzpatrick.
Nothing against him personally and he is technically very good, but
it's very dated "hippie art" to my taste. A lot of it is classic 1960's
infantile sexism "mannnnnnnnnnn, I had a chick over my pad the other
night..." overtones - sexist, in a very corny manner.
e.g:
http://www.jimfitzpatrick.ie/images/silver/dagda.jpg
It's not really "art" is it? If I was a woman, it not the kind things
which would make me feel comfortable unless my mian ambition in life is
to visit "Heff" in the Playboy Mansion.
I guess he deserves credit for making celtic art popular in a
roundabouts ways. He is a good painter and illustrator, but I don't
like his celtic art stuff. It's not for me. Jim Fitzpatrick is to Irish
Art what Micheal Flatley is to Irish Dance. Both highly successful,
commerical operations aimed at the popular market. Which is fair enough
I guess. Just wouldn't have it on my walls.
kfuz...@tinet.ie
Westprog wrote:
> I was in Roscrea recently, and visited the castle and The Damer House, one
> of the oldest private houses in Ireland,which was erected inside the castle
> grounds. The house was saved by protestors from the council who wanted to
> demolish it to build a car park.
Something similar happening here in Sligo. A company wants to build a
multi-story carkpark next to Sligo Abbey. The Abbey itself has a nice
visitor's centre as well as the main ruin itself. However it is not in
a nice part of the town and if anything the council should be trying to
bring the location to life and give people a reason to visit the abbey
other than to park their cars.
This view of the Abbey is perhaps the best vantage point and would make
a lovely park with the Abbey in the background as they have done in
Boyle.
http://www.unison.ie/images_papers/news/52/15029/pictures/393870.jpg
The annoying thing is the car park is not needed as this part of the
town is falling out of fashion shoppers and should be redeveloped as
the cultural end of the town. But the politicans want to build it
anyways. And they'll be the first ones to issue press statements in a
few years claiming that the massive decrease in heritage tourism in
Sligo must be dealth with by the central Government...
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Multi-storey car park: consultation process to begin in January
Sligo Champion
PROPOSALS for the construction of a multi-storey car park at Abbey
Street are expected to come before Sligo Borough Council in March.
The public consultation process for the project is due to commence in
January and after the receipt of submissions and observations, a
detailed report will be presented to Councillors.
The multi-storey facility is earmarked for the site at the existing car
park opposite Sligo Abbey.
At the monthly meeting of the Borough Council, Councillor Declan Bree
asked if there was any progress in respect of the move to designate
Abbey Street for a multi-storey car park and when the advertisement
campaign to begin the public consultation process would commence.
Administrative Officer, Anna Jones, replied that the County Manager's
recommendation to vary the County Development Plan to allow the Abbey
Street car park be identified as a strategic site for a multi-storey
car park would be advertised on January 10th.
February 9th would be the closing date for submissions and the matter
would then be brought before the March monthly meeting.
Councillor Tony McLoughlin welcomed the move. In a previous report, the
County Manager had said that the Development Plan had identified three
locations for multi-storey car parks-at Connaughton Road, within the
Buttermarket site and at the redeveloped Wine Street block.
'Shadow effect'
However, since the opening of the Quayside Shopping Centre,
incorporating a multi-storey car park, there had been a slow migration
of retail activity to the north and west of the city centre, resulting
in a "shadow effect" being felt in the south eastern area, said Mr.
Hubert Kearns.
"In the interests of promoting a balanced approach to the delivery of
car parking, it is recommended that the existing surface car park at
Abbey Street be considered as a possible location for the provision of
a multi-storey car park," his report added.
http://www.unison.ie/sligo_champion/stories.php3?ca=38&si=1744620&issue_id=15029
Ex_OWM
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Glendalough - I've always got a feeling of great serenity every time I've
visited it.
I've found that with quite a few old monastic settlements and sometimes
wonder if the medieval monks had some sort of special sense of nature which
guided them to these locations.
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> Tara
Agreed 100%.
eugene
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My favourite historic site is the Bogside, where the ordinary people whupped
the arses of the Nazi/RUC and created beautiful and democratic "Free Derry".
Vhttp://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/battlebogside/battleofbogside/bob69.htm
Telmey®
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WHAT?
Now you are winding us up with this Troll.
The only historic site of notability near there, is Derry City, within
the walls. in reality nothing after WWII is historic in Ireland simple
as Eastwood said it's all sites of 'clusterfucks'.
Better to cure and prevent it, than commemorate it
eugene
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"Troll?" "Moi?"
Doc Aay
> news:1166709300.4...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
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> Glendalough - I've always got a feeling of great serenity every time I've
> visited it.
>
I agree with that, OWM. We visited during a soft day so there were not many
others there. It was amazingly beautiful and serene as you say. A
sanctuary. I have had a similar feeling in many places where folks worship,
one being a small chapel at a rest area in South Dakota of all places.
There was something sacred in the air...a stillness.
Doc
Si
kfuz...@tinet.ie wrote:
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> Most Over Rated:
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> Tara
There really is nothing there is there?
Glendalough does it for me. Not the 'historical ruins' themselves
they're grand enough. If you exercise the crubes and head up the hills
a bit there are all sorts of ruined homes. There is a mining settlement
right up the west end of the valley. There are the remains of homes up
in the hills, not bothies for shepards, but homes with the remains of
the paint still on the crumbling inner walls. South toward the glen of
imal there are more up in the back of beyond. I find it gob smacking to
think that people scrapped a living from such land.
Beery Hicmass
Si
"Bog snorkler extraordinaire"
Mike MacKinnon
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So, are these places where they are because there is a 'holy' spot, or are
they 'holy' because people think they are?
The place in SDAK was certainly not placed in a confluence of ley lines (as
far as I know), but I think the use it has had has conferred the feeling of
sanctuary on it.
It's an interesting concept anyway. So many churches have been built over
previous 'holy' sites.
Doc
kfuz...@tinet.ie
So many churches have been built over previous 'holy' sites.
sacred wells and so on."
There is a crossroads near my house with a Virgin Mary shrine and if
you look at the OS Discovery Map of the spot there is a megalithic tomb
right behind it. Crossroads do seem to have some mystical significance
which has also made i's way to the USA in the Deep South - but I am not
sure why.
Even today people are still go on about this stuff. There is a new
housing development in town which none of the locals said would buy a
house in it as "a Fairy Tree" was cut down by the developers to gain
access to the site. The people I have heard this from are mainly the
same age or younger than me, have modern lifestyles and not old folks
living off old wives tales. Interesting to see some people still hold
on to this stuff.
My Grandmother was from just outside Portarlington and she was like
something out of a horror film and used to terrify us as kids with
stories of the Banshees wailing outside her parents house the night her
father died and ghosts in the front parlour. This coupled with the
local Dublin stories of the handsome Devil dancing in dancehalls with
local girls with his cloven feet sticking out of his suit trousers
after he walked them home. I don't think I slept for about 5 years on
the trot at one point.
Back on Topic. I have to agree that Glendalough is pretty amazing, but
the natural location plays a major part in it. The hills lined on
either side with Scots Pines, old Oaks and Rowan trees certainly give
it a very unique feel.
As for Tara, my understanding was that there was a major wooden fort on
the hill at one time? Well this is what a schoolteacher on a field trip
told us. Might be bullshit as most of my primary school teachers were
retards and thugs from Kerry. (not to imply Kerry people are all
retards and thugs, but my school teachers most certainly were)
Des Higgins
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Heading up the valley from the East, the valley on the left hand side is
mainly covered in Pedunculate Ash (so called because of its remarkable
resistance to heavy metal contamination) and Lateral Birch. The Birch are
of great interest because of the way they meet the prevailing wind head on
and are only found here and in 7 sites in Longford. On the right hand side,
you have a majestic stand of Nazi Pines which are normally only found in the
middle east or parts of Cabra. Glendalough has been famous for its trees
since at least the 1970s. It now stands as the 14th most important site for
native hardwoods in Mid-Wicklow.
Des
Westprog
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> Des
Good God. There is hope.
Des Higgins
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>> Des
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> Good God. There is hope.
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Not really; Happy Christmas Westie/
Solus
Des Higgins wrote:
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> >> Des
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> > Good God. There is hope.
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> Not really; Happy Christmas Westie/
Seasons greetings to you Des. Its only last week I was looking at
pictures of yourself blessing the pints at the Cross Keys.
Solus
kfuz...@tinet.ie
> Des
*the chorus from Handel's Massiah plays in my head*
Westprog
...
> >> Des
> > Good God. There is hope.
> Not really; Happy Christmas Westie/
POTY.
Happy etc to you.
Westprog
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> Des Higgins wrote:
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> > Des
>
> *the chorus from Handel's Massiah plays in my head*
I got the theme from The Omen, but it's still good.
jl
Westprog <west...@hotmail.ie> wrote:
> <kfuz...@tinet.ie> wrote in message
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> > Des Higgins wrote:
> >
> > > Des
> >
> > *the chorus from Handel's Massiah plays in my head*
> I got the theme from The Omen, but it's still good.
> --
Would that be the opening to Orff's 'Carmina Burana, by any chance?
Jochen
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Ex_OWM
> On the right hand side, you have a majestic stand of Nazi Pines
Jaysus, Godwin raises his head in a post about Glenalough !
Seriously, what are 'Nazi pines' and can you tell us more about them - can't
find anything on Google.
Ex_OWM
> So, are these places where they are because there is a 'holy' spot, or are
> they 'holy' because people think they are?
That's the official attitude that the Catholic Church takes to places like
Lourdes, Fatima and Knock; they take a neutral stance on whether or not the
apparitions actually happened but take the view that if people regard a
place as holy and doing so helps them become closer to God, then the place
becomes de facto a Holy Place.
jl
Ex_OWM <allthesp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Could it be a group of leg-impaired people of aristocratic descent pining
for the return of the Nazis?
max.it
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-> So, are these places where they are because there is a 'holy' spot,
or are
-> they 'holy' because people think they are?
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-That's the official attitude that the Catholic Church takes to places
like
-Lourdes, Fatima and Knock; they take a neutral stance on whether or
not the
-apparitions actually happened but take the view that if people regard
a
-place as holy and doing so helps them become closer to God, then the
place
-becomes de facto a Holy Place.
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May's entry, in between Brady's bookies and Livingstones pub.
I'm sure there was manys an appaition seen there, and I'm sure I heard
some holy words echo around there from time to time.
max.it (the orange cage)
Des Higgins
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Ahhhhh dem were de daze whah?
Blessin pints is a young mans game these days.
I am far too serious now to do such a light hearted thing.
Life catches up on you; now I have a real vocation; I have set up a trust
fund for fallen wimmin and eccentric millionaires who are depressed and
searching for a deeper meaning in life.
>
> Solus
>
Des Higgins
So called beacuse they were Hitler's favourite tree species (Pinus contorta
fastigiata);
also known (sometimes with some sniggering) as Upright Pine. He planted
millions and millions of hectares of the things. The irish ones were put
there by Fine Gael in the 1940s.
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>
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Des Higgins
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> Des Higgins wrote:
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>> Des
>
> *the chorus from Handel's Massiah plays in my head*
>
I see it more as a theme music From Rhubard entrance myself.
michael adams
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> "Doc Aay" <***docaye***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > So, are these places where they are because there is a 'holy' spot, or
are
> > they 'holy' because people think they are?
>
> That's the official attitude that the Catholic Church takes to places like
> Lourdes,
> Fatima
Eh ?
</quote>
CONGREGATION
FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
THE MESSAGE
OF FATIMA
As the second millennium gives way to the third, Pope John
Paul II has decided to publish the text of the third part
of the “secret of Fatima”.
Vatican reveals Fatima secret
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/806391.stm
< quote >
hth
michael adams
don't get mad get even
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kateh
> Glendalough has been famous for its trees since at least the 1970s. It
> now stands as the 14th most important site for native hardwoods in
> Mid-Wicklow.
If you don't mind, sir....... what are 1 - 13?
Kate(I stand in line for... hope, w/Westie)H :)
Sidheseeker
kfuz...@tinet.ie wrote:
> There are so many and each county in the country has at least one which
> is amazing. It is almost impossible for me to make a list and I have
> never come across an Irish historic site I didn't love.
The area around Cong.. lots to see and explore..