When will Ireland let go of its Angelus fixation?
Paul Carr
Have they got rid of the Angelus yet on RTE?
What an embarrassment to modernity!! With each chime of that bell, more life
blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic, and intellectual
excellence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angelus
Here's 2 comments from this youtube video of the Angelus below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMNQ84nHFZo
Comment 1:
"I just accidentally watched this? with the sound off, and I cannot believe
how creepy it is.
To be fair, it's pretty creepy with the sound on though... "
Comment 2:
"There was a cartoon in the Irish Times back in the 1990s - in the middle of
one of the Drumcree crises: "Next six one news with more from the failed
sectarian statelet of the North, but first the Angelus" - says? it all"
EX_OWM
> Having been living out of Ireland these past 3 plus years, I have to
> ask:
> Have they got rid of the Angelus yet on RTE?
>
> What an embarrassment to modernity!!
I don't find it in the least embarassing. I suspect that I am part of a
majority in that regard
> With each chime of that bell,
> more life blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic,
> and intellectual excellence.
I'll give you credit for one thing, Paul, you're never afraid to give the
old hyperbole a good lash :)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angelus
>
> Here's 2 comments from this youtube video of the Angelus below.
I'd suggest that if you have to depend on comments on Youtube to support
your case, the you should really be looking for some other case to support.
mothed out
> Having been living out of Ireland these past 3 plus years, I have to ask:
>
> Have they got rid of the Angelus yet on RTE?
>
> What an embarrassment to modernity!! With each chime of that bell, more life
> blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic, and intellectual
> excellence.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angelus
>
> Here's 2 comments from this youtube video of the Angelus below.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMNQ84nHFZo
>
> Comment 1:
>
> "I just accidentally watched this? with the sound off, and I cannot believe
> how creepy it is.
>
> To be fair, it's pretty creepy with the sound on though... "
>
Yes, i used to find it a bit eerie.
It reminded me of a key scene in one of the Stepford Wives remakes
(the first remake i think).
Every now and then a bell rings in the village, and all the women in
the village stop whatever they are doing as if in a trance, and take
out a pill from their pockets and swallow it.
If an outsider asks them why, they say 'because i have a thyroid
condition', in a sort of distant, hypnotic voice.
Kelpie
OK. I'm native. A joke from SCI past:
Paddy died and met Peter who brought him around - they sort of floated
along. There was a big building with no windows and an enormous bell
over it going BONG BONG BONG and BONG BONG BONG. "Irish Catholics"
said Peter - they don't know there is anyone here but themselves. We
had to put the bell in so they can't hear anyone else.
"You know you'r was around Heaven" said Paddy
"Who said this is Heaven?"
Sophistry Made Simple
"Paul Carr" <worldp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hd1sc5$1m4m$1...@adenine.netfront.net...
I like it. I like the sound of the bells themselves, even as a black
atheist, especially the Oblates in Inchicore. On the other hand, the Angelus
thing on RTE used to be summed up by all those people stopping, turning,
looking around and saying 'who farted'?
Special Care
That image that appeared in the sky 3,400 years ago frightened the
shite out of the Irish.
They never recovered from it.
Still, at least the Irish don't sacrifice babies to Ishtar.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE LEGION OF MARY
The Legion of Mary is a subgroup within the Roman Catholic Church. In
Dublin its headquarters are at Morning Star Avenue, in the middle of
a seedy, run down district, north of the river, off the tourist
trail.
The oratory (chapel) in Morning Star Avenue is not open to the
public.
I have been inside it, and was both fascinated and disturbed by what
I saw there.
Behind the altar, covering the entire wall from one side of the
chapel to the other, is a giant mural. The predominant colour is a
sombre
grey. The scene depicted is gloomy and ominous, stirring emotions of
inarticulate awe deep within the heart of the observer. Most visitors
do not understand why they find the image so disquieting. To the
trained eye, however, the scene is instantly recognizable as a
representation of what the sky looked like during the first Venus
catastrophes, 3,400 years ago. The artist knew what he was drawing,
and he also knew how far he could go, so as to say what needed to be
said while keeping the image sufficiently ambiguous. Ambiguity is
fundamental to the Christian religion. Constantine’s achievement was
to enable us to forget our past while allowing us to continue to gaze
upon thinly disguised pictorial images of what we are trying so hard
to forget.
The next shock was the ‘Catena Legionis,’ a prayer which the Legion
of Mary recites daily throughout the world, and which you wont hear
elsewhere in the Catholic liturgy, though a garbled version of it
might surface in today’s Druidic or Wiccan revivals, and in Satanic*
rituals.
(*It is important to grasp the fact that Satan and Mary are one and
the same; Satan and Mary are only two of about a hundred names for a
composite ‘rogue planet,’ which repeatedly passed close to the
earth.)
The Catena Legionis, recited daily throughout the world in Legion of
Mary chapels, begins and ends with the antiphon:
Who is She that comes forth as the morning rising,
fair as the moon, bright as the sun,
terrible as an army set in battle array?
Immediately after that comes the Hebrew ‘Magnificat,’ which
Constantine hijacked from the Jews, and which includes the words:
He looks on his servant in her lowliness;
So which is it, then?
Which one is Mary?
Are we talking about a pregnant teenager in Palestine – a servant in
her lowliness – or are we talking about something else, something
‘bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in battle array?’
Both have the name ‘Mary.’
So what is going on here?
The customer is always right. Constantine desperately needed a
universal state religion to hold the decaying empire together for a
while longer. His customers desperately needed to forget the
interplanetary near-collisions which are the basis of all our
religions. Christianity therefore was devised as a major step along
the road of sinking deeper into amnesia with regard to the
catastrophes. It suited both Constantine and his customers.
Remember the references to ‘the queen’s dignity’ in the section
titled
‘HUMAN SACRIFICE.’ Constantine was fearful of losing his ‘dignity’ in
a poleshift too. The expected poleshift had not materialized in the
time of Jesus. Constantine and all other emperors wanted to forget
the
dreaded threat of ‘loss of dignity’ which a poleshift brought to
ruling elites. As the anticipated catastrophe had not come in the
time
of Jesus, it was tempting for Constantine to assume that perhaps we
can forget about it altogether and that emperors can just get on with
the job of consolidating their power and looting the earth. So both
ruling elites and the masses wanted this new religion which would
sink
us all deeper into collective amnesia with regard to the horrors of
the poleshifts. Christianity was designed for that purpose – to help
us to forget our true history, to enable us to sink deeper into
amnesia - and that explains its amazing success. The customer is
always right.
However, you can’t supplant the planet-god religions just like that.
The planet-god religions are archetypal and these archetypes cannot
be
erased from the collective human consciousness. When the Spanish
imposed Christianity at the point of the sword in South America, the
old planet-god idols were secretly retained by the natives and can
still be seen today in Catholic churches in that region. So why fight
it? Constantine was wise enough to do it the easy way, disguising the
planet-gods by transmuting them into the half-man-half-planet, Jesus,
and the half-woman-half-planet, Mary, and personalising the comets
and
bolides as ‘angels,’ graded in accordance with their brightness in
the
sky, while retaining the image of ‘the cross’ - because a Shining
Cross In The Sky is the appearance of the planet-gods Jesus and Mary
at a certain distance from the earth, approaching and departing - and
substituting a man-god’s death and resurrection for the archetypal
death and resurrection of the series of planet-gods which had shone
so
brightly, then waned into darkness, then resurrected themselves as
their orbits brought them (or another planet) back near the earth
again. Thus the statues and pictures of the planet-god ‘Mary,’ which
you can examine in your local Catholic church today, are identical in
all essentials to the statues and pictures of the same planet-god by
other names such as Ishtar, which you can dig up from the ruins of
ancient pre-Christian temples. Constantine did not make the mistake
of
trying to destroy the archetypes, the mistake which the Spanish thugs
were later to make in South America at the cost of much bloodletting,
and to no avail, because the archetypal planet-god images still
survive to this day in Catholic churches in South America.
Who is She that comes forth as the morning rising,
fair as the moon, bright as the sun,
terrible as an army set in battle array?
That is an expression of our ancestors’ ABSOLUTE TERROR at the
anticipated reappearance of the dreaded Star of the Morning (which is
another appellation of Mary, Queen of Heaven, in the exoteric
Catholic
liturgy). What is happening here is that the Legion of Mary, a
subgroup of the Roman Catholic Church, is still chanting an English
translation of the ancient Babylonian hymn of fear and supplication
to
Venus / Ishtar. This is in keeping with Constantine’s formula - to
forget and not to forget, to know and not to know.
As indicated earlier in ‘SEX SCANDAL,’ the planet-god in question was
renamed Mary by the revisionists and infiltrators in first-century
Palestine after the failed poleshift prophet and failed sex maniac
called Jesus had run away. Constantine was to finish the job which
the
Pauline infiltrators started. The psychological need to sink
ourselves
deeper into amnesia prompted this ‘double take,’ whereby Mary is both
the pregnant teenager and the dreaded Star of the Morning. The
Babylonian hymn of fear continues to live on in the Legion of Mary
chapels to this day, because those ancient prayers of supplication to
Venus / Ishtar are associated with survival benefits in the
collective
racial consciousness.
Check it out for yourself in your own town. When I had a closer look
at the statue of Mary in my local Catholic church (and it’s a fairly
recent statue), I noticed that - instead of a crescent ‘moon’ under
her feet - “the horns of Ishtar” are openly displayed, shaped exactly
like a cow’s horns, and sticking out from under Mary’s skirt on both
sides, level with her ankles. If this ‘person’ we worship so
fervently
really IS that pregnant teenage girl in Palestine, then why does she
almost invariably have either a crescent ‘moon’ under her feet, or
alternatively two cow’s horns sticking out from under her skirt, as
well as all those stars around her head?
Often there is a snake/serpent/dragon sticking out from under Mary’s
skirt too. An ancient battle between a woman and a serpent/dragon is
a
near-universal tradition on about half of the globe (the half of the
globe where Mary was above the horizon), and is often linked with a
new type of agriculture. Look again at the Queen of Heaven
illustration.
Why doesn’t someone explain?
[End of section titled "The Legion of Mary."]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul Carr
"Sophistry Made Simple" <spama...@yourrplace.com>
??????:5j1Jm.30470$j7.4...@news.indigo.ie...
Isn't that what it still is on RTE1? A person looking up after each chime.
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angelus
"From the 21 September 2009, RT� Television relaunched The Angelus broadcast
before RT� News: Six One.[4] It features seven different editions, with
seven respective people for each one.[10] Featured people include a chemist
from Finglas, a mother from Sixmilebridge, grandparents feeding swans in
Shannon, a fisherman from Enniscorthy and an office worker from Zambia at
her office near the Phoenix Park.[11] "
Paul Carr
"mothed out" <mothe...@live.com>
??????:1fd690df-86a6-47a7...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 7:11 pm, "Paul Carr" <worldpaulc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Having been living out of Ireland these past 3 plus years, I have to ask:
>
> Have they got rid of the Angelus yet on RTE?
>
> What an embarrassment to modernity!! With each chime of that bell, more
> life
> blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic, and intellectual
> excellence.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angelus
>
> Here's 2 comments from this youtube video of the Angelus below.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMNQ84nHFZo
>
> Comment 1:
>
> "I just accidentally watched this? with the sound off, and I cannot
> believe
> how creepy it is.
>
> To be fair, it's pretty creepy with the sound on though... "
>
Yes, i used to find it a bit eerie.
It reminded me of a key scene in one of the Stepford Wives remakes
(the first remake i think).
Every now and then a bell rings in the village, and all the women in
the village stop whatever they are doing as if in a trance, and take
out a pill from their pockets and swallow it.
If an outsider asks them why, they say 'because i have a thyroid
condition', in a sort of distant, hypnotic voice.
When I was 18, I was a little embarrassed about it. Now, I'm EXTREMELY
embarrassed about it. Hmm. I wonder how I will feel about it when I'm 50,
if I'm lucky enough to be alive then.
Here's an alternative Angelus I picked up on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzRP7OKHcqQ
I especially like that guy at 44 seconds. Now, that is one devout
Catholic!!!
Special Care
>
> Isn't that what it still is on RTE1? A person looking up after each chime.
>
They look up in FEAR.
The Irish are more sensitive to the archetype... the Irish FEEL that
archetypal memory more then other races.
The Angelus is all about FEAR.
The Irish are SCARED SHITLESS that Ishtar-Mary-Aphrodite-Venus....
there are over a hundred names for the rogue planet... the Irish are
SCARED SHITLESS that Mary/Ishtar/"Star of Bethlehem" ... will return
to the sky and wreck the surface of the globe again.
If you examine more closely the expressions on the faces of Irish
people saying the Angelus, you will interpret it correctly as ABSOLUTE
TERROR.
The Irish are sensitive to the emotional memory of the time when
Ishtar/Mary was in the sky and their homes were collpasing and a mile-
high wall of water was pulled up out of the sea by the gravitational
anomaly of Planet Mary's presence in the sky.....
The Irish are ABSOLUTELY SCARED SHITLESS that Planet Mary will return
to the sky.
That is why the Angelus has survived.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
REMEMBERING HUMANITY'S COLLECTIVE INFANCY /
THE RECONSTRUCTION OF SUPPRESSED ANCIENT HISTORY /
THE ANCIENT TRAUMAS THAT DROVE THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE INSANE:
Mass Scotoma Rides Again
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_175d3cpt7cd
The Secret History of the Solar System
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_158gg4t9mhb
The Trilogy of Truth (Immanuel Velikovsky)
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_8d2hnhqgs
EX_OWM
> When I was 18, I was a little embarrassed about it. Now, I'm
> EXTREMELY embarrassed about it. Hmm. I wonder how I will feel about
> it when I'm 50, if I'm lucky enough to be alive then.
Taking into account all the scandals and what-not-else that have broken in
recent times, I'm intrigued by the idea that the only thing about Ireland
that has achieved the distinction of making you EXTREMELY embarrassed is
something from which you have long disassociated yourself. It's sounding
more and more to me as if you have an itch that refuses to go away no matter
how much you scratch it.
<whistle>
mothed out
I didn't hate the angelus. It was something on telly that reminded me
I was living in a very different country.
I love the sound of distant church bells tumbling through the summer
air in England, and the spires of churches. I even quite like walking
past my old school, but only because i don't have to go there anymore.
It was a nightmare when you were trapped inside.
On BBC radio 4 they used to schedule a short religious service in the
morning which was a bore for the an overwhelming majority of the
population. When FM became the main frequency for the main channels,
they kept the service on longwave only (I think), allowing nearly
everyone to avoid it without having to do anything, while it was still
available for people who wanted to hear it. That was a welcome
compromise.
mothed out
I quite liked this -
'Less than half of the British people believe in a God, yet about 72%
told the 2001 census that they were Christian...'
Westprog
> I didn't hate the angelus. It was something on telly that reminded me
> I was living in a very different country.
> I love the sound of distant church bells tumbling through the summer
> air in England, and the spires of churches. I even quite like walking
> past my old school, but only because i don't have to go there anymore.
> It was a nightmare when you were trapped inside.
>
> On BBC radio 4 they used to schedule a short religious service in the
> morning which was a bore for the an overwhelming majority of the
> population. When FM became the main frequency for the main channels,
> they kept the service on longwave only (I think), allowing nearly
> everyone to avoid it without having to do anything, while it was still
> available for people who wanted to hear it. That was a welcome
> compromise.
The danger of focusing on the Angelus is that it is a very visible, mostly
harmless expression of the majority catholic nature of the country - much
like the crucifixes in schools in Italy. Removing it would annoy the people
to whom it is a comfort, while doing nothing to make Ireland a more
pluralist society. Meanwhile the minister for Education would continue his
campaign of genteel ethnic cleansing by shutting down as many Protestant
schools as possible.
--
J/
SOTW: "Drive Like Lightning (Crash Like Thunder)" - The Brian Setzer
Orchestra
mothed out
I agree. It doesn't take up much time. As the media develop, new media
and alternative channels will probably not include something like it.
If they started pulling down old churches, or turning them into mobile
phone showrooms, i'd be up in arms.
Even the fact that these beautiful places still have a core of
attendees and are not always given over to new uses gives them a
unique and special quality.
I was not aware that they are shutting down as many Protestant schools
as possible. Got any links?
mothed out
I was thinking a bit more about this and realised that, while wholly
non-religious, i'm also a big fan of the 'traditional sunday', insofar
as it manifests itself in a day that is quieter, more reflective,
where time runs at a different pace.
It was so valuable for many people to have a guaranteed day off. I
still find myself expecting that i will be able to use quieter roads
on Sunday, only to find that everyone else has had the same idea of
course. And the shops are mostly open, staffed by people who would
have preferred time with their families, or just by themselves. I
think there may be opt-out clauses protected by law, but i'm sure in
many cases it affects your job prospects if you refuse to work Sundays.
Harry Merrick
Ah yes! To be sure to be sure!!
:-))
--
Harry Merrick.
Harry Merrick
Well, as a Protestant, I find the Angelus rather cute and reassuring. Pity
if that goes. However, after our losing out to Brussells on the Lisbon
Treaty, guess what? - Bet you they tell us to take down all "our" crosses
from schools and also stop using the Angelus on radio broadcasts by RTE!! -
Unless, of course, Italy decides to take over!
--
Harry Merrick.
Thomas
> "There was a cartoon in the Irish Times back in the 1990s - in the middle of
> one of the Drumcree crises: "Next six one news with more from the failed
> sectarian statelet of the North, but first the Angelus" - says? it all"
They should play this after the Angelus and then the entire spiritual
spectrum in Ireland will be catered to.
Paul Carr
> On Nov 7, 8:40 am, "EX_OWM" <allthespamyoul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Paul Carr wrote:
>>> When I was 18, I was a little embarrassed about it. Now, I'm
>>> EXTREMELY embarrassed about it. Hmm. I wonder how I will feel about
>>> it when I'm 50, if I'm lucky enough to be alive then.
>>
>> Taking into account all the scandals and what-not-else that have
>> broken in recent times, I'm intrigued by the idea that the only
>> thing about Ireland that has achieved the distinction of making you
>> EXTREMELY embarrassed is something from which you have long
>> disassociated yourself. It's sounding more and more to me as if you
>> have an itch that refuses to go away no matter how much you scratch
>> it.
>>
>> <whistle>
>
> I didn't hate the angelus.
I don't hate the Angelus. I just think it's embarrassing. In Ireland, we
don't need to cleave to a particular religion in order to find a
self-identity. My Irishness has nothing whatsoever to do with Catholicism
or Christianity generally. And, I daresay it's the same for many other
people too. If I'm not mistaken the Angelus is predominantly a Roman
Catholic practice. But. leaving that aside, are't we supposed to be
pluralistic in a modern society? Aren't we supposed to be tolerant and
accepting of all religious practitioners, be they Buddhist, Islamic, Shinto,
Taoist, Hindu et cetera et cetera, and also be tolerant of those who accept
no religion? By playing those "boings", a particular religion, whether that
be catholicism or christianity generally, is endorsed by a TV station
towards which many people in Ireland have to pay a license fee if "they
possess a piece of equipment capable of receiving television signals".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rte
Some people will interpret this as a message sent by the Government of
Ireland to those who do not belong to the favoured religion that they are,
at best, guests and had better behave themselves or, at worst, they should
feck off back to their own country if they are originally from another
country and they don't practice the favoured religion.
EX_OWM
> Meanwhile the minister for
> Education would continue his campaign of genteel ethnic cleansing by
> shutting down as many Protestant schools as possible.
Holy Mother of God, this hyperbole mularkey has become even more contagious
than the Swine Flu!
EX_OWM
> I was not aware that they are shutting down as many Protestant schools
> as possible. Got any links?
He's not shutting down any schools. He's been advised by the Attorney
General that the past practice of giving extra money to Protestant fee
paying schools is illegal under the Constitution so he's told them they will
have to start getting the same money as the Catholic fee paying schools.
Westie will undoubtedly explain to you how that amounts to ethic cleansing,
however genteel.
Caít()
>
> Have they got rid of the Angelus yet on RTE?
Nope, still there.
You do it too much credit to believe that it is in any way something
folks are genuinely bothered about.
>
> What an embarrassment to modernity!! With each chime of that bell, more life
> blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic, and intellectual
> excellence.
>
Ah, Paul, for jaysus sakes! Where's your sense of proportion?
Caít()
EX_OWM
> I quite liked this -
>
> 'Less than half of the British people believe in a God, yet about 72%
> told the 2001 census that they were Christian...'
>
There is a group within the Anglican Community called "Traditional Anglican
Communion" who are totally opposed to female ordination and any softening of
the line on homosexuals. To cut a long story short, they are no longer happy
with the Anglican Community, they have been talking for some time about
converting to Roman Catholicism and the Pope has just announced some new
measures to make that easier for them.
One lady in England has told me how her local parish support TAC and have
started talking about converting; now there is uproar in her village with
all those who haven't darkened the door of the church for years making the
most fuss and insisting there is no way they are going to lose "their"
Church of England" :)
Caít()
Argy bargy about public funding.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1021/breaking28.htm
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1021/education.html
Caít()
Harry Merrick
> Having been living out of Ireland these past 3 plus years, I have to
> ask:
> Have they got rid of the Angelus yet on RTE?
No.
>
> What an embarrassment to modernity!! With each chime of that bell,
> more life blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic,
> and intellectual excellence.
What absolute bloody nonsense! Many thousands of people being Roman Catholic
enjoy the Angelus. Why not? It all is associated with blind faith. You don't
have any of that obviously. Utter tripe!!!
--
Harry Merrick.
Caít()
It amounts to panicked scrambling to save money any old way, with any
old excuse, including conveniently hiding behind the constitution -
evidently, it was not found problematic until the state's coffers got
too bare. In so far as it applies to all sectors, all government
departments and all areas of public funding, it probably cannot be
described as sectarian.
Caít()
Westprog
> I was not aware that they are shutting down as many Protestant schools
> as possible. Got any links?
The effects haven't kicked in yet. They won't be closing down the schools
directly, but they plan to cut funding.
Westprog
> It amounts to panicked scrambling to save money any old way, with any
> old excuse, including conveniently hiding behind the constitution -
> evidently, it was not found problematic until the state's coffers got
> too bare. In so far as it applies to all sectors, all government
> departments and all areas of public funding, it probably cannot be
> described as sectarian.
The cost-cutting gives an opportunity to settle a few scores. The money
they'll save by this is trivial, but they will get there own back for some
earlier disputes.
Sophistry Made Simple
"Westprog" <west...@hottmail.com> wrote in message
news:hd4snh$5b1$1...@news.datemas.de...
> mothed out wrote:
>> I was not aware that they are shutting down as many Protestant schools
>> as possible. Got any links?
>
>
> The effects haven't kicked in yet. They won't be closing down the schools
> directly, but they plan to cut funding.
Cutting funding to fee-paying schools is hard to make anyone feel sorry for.
As for the Archbishop of Dublin weighing in on their side, he'd be only too
aware that the Protestant schools have been taking the atheists off his
hands for years so he would be sorry to see them go in that respect.
It is difficult to see why the State should subsidise any denominational
school at all, nevermind purely on the basis that it belongs to a particular
sect and therefore entitled to special treatment.
As for the crucifixes in schools, as long as the schools are owned and
operated by the various religions then it's probably nobodies business but
their own what they hang on the walls. What we forget in the this country is
that we are quite probably unique in Europe in that the State has entirely
left primary schooling to pretty much anyone who wants to set up a school of
their own - the State had never opened a primary school of its own, ever.
galvo
say about it....................Sounds like, believe in what I say not what
you think..................................Look at it this way, belief may
have saved a lot of people from just blowing there brains out. Good or bad I
don't know.......................Well I have my thoughts on that, but I will
leave it up to you.........................
"Harry Merrick" <home...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7lltktF...@mid.individual.net...
Sophistry Made Simple
"galvo" <mnb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hd59su$1md$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> What amazes me is all those who don't believe in any thing have so much to
> say about it....................Sounds like, believe in what I say not
> what you think..................................Look at it this way,
> belief may have saved a lot of people from just blowing there brains out.
Or indeed caused them to blow others' brains out.
galvo
conjecture has so many ways to go......
"Sophistry Made Simple" <spama...@yourrplace.com> wrote in message
news:z1qJm.30482$j7.4...@news.indigo.ie...
Sophistry Made Simple
> Well you might have a point there........................But who knows,
> conjecture has so many ways to go......
It's not conjecture. Feed somebody some belief and they will go out and kill
people on the basis of it - it's not confined to religious belief either.
Paul Carr
"galvo" <mnb...@gmail.com> д����Ϣ����:hd59su$1md$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> What amazes me is all those who don't believe in any thing have so much to
> say about it....................Sounds like, believe in what I say not
> what you think..................................Look at it this way,
> belief may have saved a lot of people from just blowing there brains out.
> Good or bad I don't know.......................Well I have my thoughts on
> that, but I will leave it up to you.........................
It seems to me that those who claim to believe in a God are, more often than
not, the ones who lack in sufficient reserves of belief (and faith) in what
matters - their fellow man.
Paul Carr
"Westprog" <west...@hottmail.com> д����Ϣ����:hd3lte$m37$1...@news.datemas.de...
> mothed out wrote:
>> I didn't hate the angelus. It was something on telly that reminded me
>> I was living in a very different country.
>> I love the sound of distant church bells tumbling through the summer
>> air in England, and the spires of churches. I even quite like walking
>> past my old school, but only because i don't have to go there anymore.
>> It was a nightmare when you were trapped inside.
>>
>> On BBC radio 4 they used to schedule a short religious service in the
>> morning which was a bore for the an overwhelming majority of the
>> population. When FM became the main frequency for the main channels,
>> they kept the service on longwave only (I think), allowing nearly
>> everyone to avoid it without having to do anything, while it was still
>> available for people who wanted to hear it. That was a welcome
>> compromise.
>
> The danger of focusing on the Angelus is that it is a very visible, mostly
> harmless expression of the majority catholic nature of the country - much
> like the crucifixes in schools in Italy. Removing it would annoy the
> people to whom it is a comfort, while doing nothing to make Ireland a more
> pluralist society.
Woe behold us if Westprog were ever to take over as political consultant for
the Irish Labour Party. The Catholic church political front parties of
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael will be guaranteed another 50 years in power.
Westprog
> Cutting funding to fee-paying schools is hard to make anyone feel sorry
> for.
The schools are fee-paying because that's the only way that they can
survive. If they had to rely on government grants, they wouldn't be able to
function.
The schools have to charge fees in order to function. As the grant is
reduced, they have to cut staff and increase the fees. That's already
resulting in people who wished to attend a Protestant school having to
withdraw applications. This means a reduction in money coming in and...
> As for the Archbishop of Dublin weighing in on their side, he'd be only
> too aware that the Protestant schools have been taking the atheists off
> his hands for years so he would be sorry to see them go in that respect.
>
> It is difficult to see why the State should subsidise any denominational
> school at all, nevermind purely on the basis that it belongs to a
> particular sect and therefore entitled to special treatment.
We are where we are. If the vast majority of schools are Catholic, then the
existence of an alternative is necessarily going to have to represent
alternative dominations. A system that permits Catholic and non- and multi-
denominational schools only is clearly discriminatory.
As for the supposed inequity in subsidies - there is a possible case that
every school should be paid the same amount per pupil.- but this doesn't
happen. The Protestant schools got the O'Malley subsidy to reflect the fact
that they are smaller and they have to gather people from a larger catchment
area.
> As for the crucifixes in schools, as long as the schools are owned and
> operated by the various religions then it's probably nobodies business but
> their own what they hang on the walls. What we forget in the this country
> is that we are quite probably unique in Europe in that the State has
> entirely left primary schooling to pretty much anyone who wants to set up
> a school of their own - the State had never opened a primary school of its
> own, ever.
If the state wants to take over primary education and close down all
religious schools, then fine - do it. Making everyone attend catholic
schools when the position of the church is shakier than it's ever been is
not justifiable.
Westprog
"Paul Carr" <worldp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hd6f0c$2r96$1...@adenine.netfront.net...
> Woe behold us if Westprog were ever to take over as political consultant
> for the Irish Labour Party.
Main threat facing modern Ireland.
Augustus O'Muircheartaigh
<spamala...@yourrplace.com> wrote:
> "Paul Carr" <worldpaulc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hd1sc5$1m4m$1...@adenine.netfront.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Having been living out of Ireland these past 3 plus years, I have to ask:
>
> > Have they got rid of the Angelus yet on RTE?
>
> > life blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic, and
> > intellectual excellence.
>
>
> > Here's 2 comments from this youtube video of the Angelus below.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMNQ84nHFZo
>
> > Comment 1:
>
> > "I just accidentally watched this? with the sound off, and I cannot
> > believe how creepy it is.
>
> > To be fair, it's pretty creepy with the sound on though... "
>
> > Comment 2:
>
> > "There was a cartoon in the Irish Times back in the 1990s - in the middle
> > of one of the Drumcree crises: "Next six one news with more from the
> > failed sectarian statelet of the North, but first the Angelus" - says? it
> > all"
>
> atheist, especially the Oblates in Inchicore. On the other hand, the Angelus
> thing on RTE used to be summed up by all those people stopping, turning,
> looking around and saying 'who farted'?- Hide quoted text -
>
I agree; I find the bells harmless; some of the images on the telly
are a bit tacky but the bells themselves are pretty harmless. In 20
years time, it would be kind of sad, if Ireland and Irish society did
not have any odd features. I expect that everyone will buy the same
clothes in the same shops in "malls" as are being bought by people all
over the world while local family run clothes shops like some of the
ones on Patrick Street on Cork, suffer and eventually close.
bong
bong
bong
bong
bong
etc.
Paul Carr
> On Nov 6, 10:21 pm, "Sophistry Made Simple"
> <spamala...@yourrplace.com> wrote:
<snip>
>> I like it. I like the sound of the bells themselves, even as a black
>> atheist, especially the Oblates in Inchicore. On the other hand, the
>> Angelus thing on RTE used to be summed up by all those people
>> stopping, turning, looking around and saying 'who farted'?- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>
> I agree; I find the bells harmless; some of the images on the telly
> are a bit tacky but the bells themselves are pretty harmless. In 20
> years time, it would be kind of sad, if Ireland and Irish society did
> not have any odd features.
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angelus
"From the 21 September 2009, RT� Television relaunched The Angelus broadcast
before RT� News: Six One.[4] It features seven different editions, with
seven respective people for each one.[10] Featured people include a chemist
from Finglas, a mother from Sixmilebridge, grandparents feeding swans in
Shannon, a fisherman from Enniscorthy and an office worker from Zambia at
her office near the Phoenix Park.[11]".
So, apparently, the "who farted" format "Sophistry Made Simple" made mention
of of an individual looking up or in another direction after each "boing" is
still being used for the RTE broadcast. I haven't seen the latest
reincarnation. I'm presently in Hong Kong and have been out of Ireland
since July 2006.
However, if this is so, if it is a person looking up after each "boing",
then, man, THAT is the definition of sadness. I can't think of anything
more sad than that. If that isn't sadness I don't know what is.
But, also you raise another issue, that is, if we lose the Angelus, we lose
a part of ourselves, our individuality. Hell, no!!! I submit that our
Irishness is independent of our religion. Catholicism, or Christianity
generally, isn't Irish. We'll survive the existential crisis of the
dropping of the Angelus and we can all sit back on our armchair or sofa and
watch the news a minute earlier.
EX_OWM
> I can't think
> of anything more sad than that.
If that's true then it makes you a rather sad person
;)
Sophistry Made Simple
>
> "Sophistry Made Simple" <spama...@yourrplace.com> wrote in message
> news:w0oJm.30479$j7.4...@news.indigo.ie...
>
>> Cutting funding to fee-paying schools is hard to make anyone feel sorry
>> for.
>
> The schools are fee-paying because that's the only way that they can
> survive. If they had to rely on government grants, they wouldn't be able
> to function.
>
> The schools have to charge fees in order to function. As the grant is
> reduced, they have to cut staff and increase the fees. That's already
> resulting in people who wished to attend a Protestant school having to
> withdraw applications. This means a reduction in money coming in and...
Who are these 'people who wished to attend a Protestant school'? I've known
a lot of people who went to Villiers for instance, but not one single
protestant. What exactly is the demographic of the people attending these
schools?
>> As for the Archbishop of Dublin weighing in on their side, he'd be only
>> too aware that the Protestant schools have been taking the atheists off
>> his hands for years so he would be sorry to see them go in that respect.
>>
>> It is difficult to see why the State should subsidise any denominational
>> school at all, nevermind purely on the basis that it belongs to a
>> particular sect and therefore entitled to special treatment.
>
> We are where we are. If the vast majority of schools are Catholic, then
> the existence of an alternative is necessarily going to have to represent
> alternative dominations. A system that permits Catholic and non- and
> multi- denominational schools only is clearly discriminatory.
Where is the discrimination or lack of permission?
> As for the supposed inequity in subsidies - there is a possible case that
> every school should be paid the same amount per pupil.- but this doesn't
> happen. The Protestant schools got the O'Malley subsidy to reflect the
> fact that they are smaller and they have to gather people from a larger
> catchment area.
On the other hand it won't be the first time that the products of a
fee-paying school system were able to bend the ear of a minister. Pardon me
if I seem cynical, but it is still difficult to feel sorry for fee-paying
schools, no matter who they are. Educate Together schools all over the
country cope with enormous catchment areas with no extra funding, or indeed
fees.
>> As for the crucifixes in schools, as long as the schools are owned and
>> operated by the various religions then it's probably nobodies business
>> but their own what they hang on the walls. What we forget in the this
>> country is that we are quite probably unique in Europe in that the State
>> has entirely left primary schooling to pretty much anyone who wants to
>> set up a school of their own - the State had never opened a primary
>> school of its own, ever.
>
> If the state wants to take over primary education and close down all
> religious schools, then fine - do it. Making everyone attend catholic
> schools when the position of the church is shakier than it's ever been is
> not justifiable.
You can always set up your own school - it's easier than you think.
Paul Carr
<snip>
>> What an embarrassment to modernity!! With each chime of that bell,
>> more life blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic,
>> and intellectual excellence.
>>
>
> Ah, Paul, for jaysus sakes! Where's your sense of proportion?
>
> Ca�t()
I can only talk/write with more certainty about my own experiences. I lived
in Ireland since I was 3 months old. I heard the boings of the Angelus
since before I could remember anything. For me, the Angelus is a form of
social control. I think it is very obvious that it is. The present Irish
government is familiar with the idea of social control. Ask Dermot Ahern,
the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.
According to the latest article, dated September 30th 2009, on blasphemy.ie:
"The Defamation Act 2009 makes blasphemy a crime punishable by a ?25,000
fine, after the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform signs the
commencement order in mid-October.". So has Dermot Ahern signed the
commencement order? Making blasphemy a crime punishable by a 25,000 euro
fine is a form of social control.
The purpose of instruments of social control is to keep people down, "to put
them in their place", to intimidate and to scare them not "to rise about
their station", not "to get too uppity". Good grief!! Where's the outrage
over the Ryan report on SCI which confirmed systemic human rights abuses in
Irish Industrial schools?
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_report
"The Irish Times called the report "a devastating indictment of Church and
State authorities,"[33] "the map of an Irish hell." "The sheer scale and
longevity of the torment inflected on defenceless children - over 800 known
abusers in over 200 Catholic institutions during a period of 35 years -
should alone make it clear that it was not accidental or opportunistic but
systematic. Abuse was not a failure of the system. It was the system."[34]"
At the time the report was published, there was some outrage on SCI and then
the outrage dissipated and we were back to square one. Once again we
settled back in our sofas and armchairs, placid and meek, and we listened,
as if lobotomized, to the chimes of the Angelus.
Good Grief, we need to get angry in Ireland. Get informed. Petition the
Government. Write to our TDs. Demonstrate. Get together and form groups
and fight for common causes. Get socialized, not individualized and
nuclearized in our little armchairs or sofas, by ourselves, sedated,
listening dutifully to the boings of the Angelus. Get out there!! Get to
work!! Reform Ireland for the better!!! Make Ireland a model for other
countries and regions of the world to model themselves on.
F�achad�ir
<allthesp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>mothed out wrote:
>
>> I was not aware that they are shutting down as many Protestant schools
>> as possible. Got any links?
>)
>He's not shutting down any schools.
Without funding schools will shut down. You understand cause and
effect, domn't you?
>He's been advised by the Attorney
>General that the past practice of giving extra money to Protestant fee
>paying schools is illegal under the Constitution so he's told them they will
>have to start getting the same money as the Catholic fee paying schools.
>
>Westie will undoubtedly explain to you how that amounts to ethic cleansing,
>however genteel.
Personally I think no religious schools should get State funding, but
my take on this is that it's a costsaving measure and the minister is
hiding behind the Attorney General's constitutional skirt.
As to genteel genocide, it may be hyperbole, but the CoI believe just
as much as the RCC in indoctrinating their children, and are concerned
about what will happen if their kids have to go to Catholic schools.
When I was a youngster, the local CoI school was one of several in the
area closed in a rationalisation. I doubt having 7-year-old CoI kids
effectively spend half a year untaught (and unsupervised) while entire
days were devoted to training the rest of us to be good little
communicants (and the same again for confirmation in final year) was a
good use of taxpayers funds.
The minister's excuse is bollocks. There is no Irish constitutional
bar to positive discrimination.
--
'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
� F�achad�ir
Westprog
>
> Who are these 'people who wished to attend a Protestant school'? I've
> known a lot of people who went to Villiers for instance, but not one
> single protestant. What exactly is the demographic of the people
> attending these schools?
They are people who don't want to go to the one size fits all "catholic"
schools. Are they protestants? Does it matter?
In Ireland the squeaky wheel gets the kicks.
...
> On the other hand it won't be the first time that the products of a
> fee-paying school system were able to bend the ear of a minister.
> Pardon me if I seem cynical, but it is still difficult to feel sorry
> for fee-paying schools, no matter who they are. Educate Together
> schools all over the country cope with enormous catchment areas with
> no extra funding, or indeed fees.
Good for them. Some schools can manage that way, some can't.
>>> As for the crucifixes in schools, as long as the schools are owned
>>> and operated by the various religions then it's probably nobodies
>>> business but their own what they hang on the walls. What we forget
>>> in the this country is that we are quite probably unique in Europe
>>> in that the State has entirely left primary schooling to pretty
>>> much anyone who wants to set up a school of their own - the State
>>> had never opened a primary school of its own, ever.
>>
>> If the state wants to take over primary education and close down all
>> religious schools, then fine - do it. Making everyone attend catholic
>> schools when the position of the church is shakier than it's ever
>> been is not justifiable.
>
> You can always set up your own school - it's easier than you think.
--
Sophistry Made Simple
> Sophistry Made Simple wrote:
>>
>> Who are these 'people who wished to attend a Protestant school'? I've
>> known a lot of people who went to Villiers for instance, but not one
>> single protestant. What exactly is the demographic of the people
>> attending these schools?
>
> They are people who don't want to go to the one size fits all "catholic"
> schools. Are they protestants? Does it matter?
I'm afraid at this point both your argument and my sympathy have evaporated
entirely.
Harry Merrick
> "Westprog" <west...@hottmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hd92sm$uu2$1...@news.datemas.de...
>> Sophistry Made Simple wrote:
>>>
>>> Who are these 'people who wished to attend a Protestant school'?
>>> I've known a lot of people who went to Villiers for instance, but
>>> not one single protestant. What exactly is the demographic of the
>>> people attending these schools?
Demographic? No. I think you must mean "Demography". It is different. And
more accurate.
>>
>> They are people who don't want to go to the one size fits all "catholic"
>> schools. Are they protestants? Does it matter?
>
> I'm afraid at this point both your argument and my sympathy have
> evaporated entirely.
Indeed. He talketh nonsense. This is supposed to be a multi-cultural
country. Therefore there should only be State Schools catering for ALL
religions. Hence, no religious crosses and pictures of Mary, burning hearts
etc. Like any other country, Private Schools, or Public Schools if your
prefer, who exist by charging fees to those who enjoy their more
professional approach and better teaching, should also be allowed to operate
freely.
--
Harry Merrick.
EX_OWM
> "Westprog" <west...@hottmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hd92sm$uu2$1...@news.datemas.de...
>> They are people who don't want to go to the one size fits all
>> "catholic" schools. Are they protestants? Does it matter?
>
> I'm afraid at this point both your argument and my sympathy have
> evaporated entirely.
They evaporated for me when he tried to argue that treating Protestants the
same as Catholics is tantamount to ethnic cleansing.
1X2Willows
> Ca�t() wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> What an embarrassment to modernity!! With each chime of that bell,
>>> more life blood is sucked out of the nation's scientific, athletic,
>>> and intellectual excellence.
>>
>> Ah, Paul, for jaysus sakes! Where's your sense of proportion?
>>
For "jaysus" sakes, correct. But what about non-believers who give
a flying toss about Christianity and Monotheism per se?
Wouldn't you also be annoyed if you had to sit through Tom Cruise
doing some Thetan-banishing song n' dance for Scientology everytime
you simply want to get the news on national Television or Radio?
In the US, that's called a mindf*ck.
> I can only talk/write with more certainty about my own experiences. I
> lived in Ireland since I was 3 months old. I heard the boings of
> the Angelus since before I could remember anything. For me, the
> Angelus is a form of social control. I think it is very obvious that
> it is. The present Irish government is familiar with the idea of
> social control. Ask Dermot Ahern, the Minister for Justice, Equality
> and Law Reform.
Agreed on the whole. It's obviously a "jingle" in marketing lingo and as
such part of the bigger brain wash strategy to keep the Catholes in control
of societal behaviour all day long, especially since this silly Dong Dong
Dong on Telly and Radio is not an 'isolated incident' but meant to reinforce
the constant psychoactive droning from countless belfries across the land.
> According to the latest article, dated September 30th 2009, on
> blasphemy.ie: "The Defamation Act 2009 makes blasphemy a crime
> punishable by a ?25,000 fine, after the Minister for Justice,
> Equality and Law Reform signs the commencement order in
> mid-October.". So has Dermot Ahern signed the commencement order?
> Making blasphemy a crime punishable by a 25,000 euro fine is a form
> of social control.
Thanks for the info. This was news to me.
So, in Ireland, I could be fined about 28,000 USD for saying fuck Jesus
Christ in the ass with a big black rubber dildo? Charming country!
What's next... Obligatory prayer several times a day like the Moosles?
> The purpose of instruments of social control is to keep people down,
> "to put them in their place", to intimidate and to scare them not "to
> rise about their station", not "to get too uppity". Good grief!!
> Where's the outrage over the Ryan report on SCI which confirmed
> systemic human rights abuses in Irish Industrial schools?
>
> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_report
>
> "The Irish Times called the report "a devastating indictment of
> Church and State authorities,"[33] "the map of an Irish hell." "The
> sheer scale and longevity of the torment inflected on defenceless
> children - over 800 known abusers in over 200 Catholic institutions
> during a period of 35 years - should alone make it clear that it was
> not accidental or opportunistic but systematic. Abuse was not a
> failure of the system. It was the system."[34]"
> At the time the report was published, there was some outrage on SCI
> and then the outrage dissipated and we were back to square one. Once
> again we settled back in our sofas and armchairs, placid and meek,
> and we listened, as if lobotomized, to the chimes of the Angelus.
creepy indeed, to say the least
> Good Grief, we need to get angry in Ireland. Get informed. Petition
> the Government. Write to our TDs. Demonstrate. Get together and
> form groups and fight for common causes. Get socialized, not
> individualized and nuclearized in our little armchairs or sofas, by
> ourselves, sedated, listening dutifully to the boings of the Angelus.
> Get out there!! Get to work!! Reform Ireland for the better!!! Make
> Ireland a model for other countries and regions of the world to model
> themselves on.
Better yet, we wouldn't have to deal with posers on alt.religion.druid
anymore who constantly try, but fail, to mask their devotion to the Irish
Catholic Church and other borderline fascist groups by grandiosely
declaring themselves "Druid" and disrupting our newsgroup with the
same load of horse feathers the Church is trying to promote, also.
An Coibhi Drui
> Paul Carr wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Nov 9, 6:53 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos...@least.invalid> wrote:
> Paul Carr wrote:
> same load of horse feathers the Church is trying to promote, also.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Years ago the Catholic churches had to give up bonging it out at 6
A.M. - the Men on the Dole complained that it was disturbing their
sleep !
It is handy in that it reminds you of the time of day if you can't
find your watch and the household clock batterry has run
out ....there's that to be said for it ......
Basiically it is not a matter for the Minister or the Government - but
for the RTE Authority who run the main nationwide TV and Radio
stations - and they justify their continued broadcasting of the
Angelus bells at 12.00 Noon, also at 6.00 p.m. by statting that the
majority of their licence fee payers ( a legal requirement ! ) want it
and would be upset if it was removed .
...... and that if the stopped it, these people would be baying for
their blood and they would have to resign .
Labour Party socialists and intellectuals have been in power and they
have done nothing about it either, notably the late Dr. Conor Cruise
O'Brien as Minister for Posts and Telegraphs in charge of RTE where
he strictly enforeced Section 31 of the Broadcasting Act forbidding
any mention of the IRA/Sinn Fein for years, a towering intellectual,
former Editor of the big British national dailies, Author - and then,
in his latter years headed up to Northern Ireland as one of the chiefs
of the Independent Ulster Unionist Party !!! He died during the year,
a declared agnostic. to the bitter end..
Something like two-thirds of the population are still practising
Catholics, they want The Angelus retained in no uncertain terms, so if
any politician wants to lose a massive vote , or any political party
here does, there is no better way to do so than to abolish The
Angelus !!!!!!!!!!!
The way the rest of us look on it is that it is one of the least of
our problems, and if it makes the majority of people happy, what about
it, well and good !
But it is well nigh impossible, politically, to get rid of it. The
only way, I think, that it could possibly be approached, is if the
minorrity Protestant churches here objected...
They never have !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael .
PS : I love your reference to " our " newsgroup , says a lot !
The same could be said for the Two Trots here !!!
It is a matter of opinion too here as to who the disrupters are, and
what constitutes a Druid, who is a Druid, does one make a decision to
be a Druid, or is it , perhaps, a Calling, a Vocation, recognised by
one''s peers in one's own country ( in my own case, Ireland and the
Irish People). Devotion to " other borderline fascist groups", or the
Catholic Church, is totally denied !
( If you want to start the Reformation or the Thirty Years War all
over again, you're welcome :-)
Though tolerance and understanding of all faiths, religions, churches,
belief systems ( though not support ) is an essential part of Druidry
insofar as I am personally concerned., and I'm sure that I speak for
the majority of spiritual and level-headed Druids when I state this,
for all moderate and sensible people too ..
But if you or anybody else wants to put his money where his mouth is ,
and come over to Ireland to campaign against the Angelus bells , you
are more than welcome to do so.
The rest of us have more important matters than such trivia to occupy
ourselves with :-
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
Regarding the perpetrators of clerical child abuse, Ireland is not
the only country that it happened in, it happened all across the USA
too, and was especially rampant in Boston Diocese !
Yet there are far more priests and other Catholic religious charged,
tried, sentenced and locked up for the monsters they are here in
little old Ireland than in the entire U.S. of A ..
With many more charged by the Garda and to be dealt with by our
Courts, and more being outed and investigated all the time .
Prosecution is relentless and ongoing here in Ireland, whereas in the
States it seems to have been covered up , with little or no follow-up
at all ..
Cheers,
Michael .
1X2Willows
> On Nov 9, 6:53 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> Paul Carr wrote:
>>> [....]
>>> Get socialized, not individualized and nuclearized in our little
>>> armchairs or sofas, by ourselves, sedated, listening dutifully to the
>>> boings of the Angelus. Get out there!! Get to work!! Reform Ireland
>>> for the better!!! Make Ireland a model for other countries and regions
>>> of the world to model themselves on.
>>
>> [....]
>
> The rest of us have more important matters than such trivia to occupy
> ourselves with :-
...and here he comes in defense of it...
Predictable as the Angelus itself.
Why are we not surprised
An Coibhi Drui
Disgraceful and typical of you - selectively editing out one small
sentnce of a large post, out of context, to comment upon ! For
shame !!! I wonder why anybody bothers, especially me, with your kind
of blatantly dishhonest ' intellectual' criticism at all :-)
Michael .
Michael .
Noinden
wrote:
> Disgraceful and typical of you - selectively editing out one small
> sentnce of a large post, out of context, to comment upon ! For
> shame !!! I wonder why anybody bothers, especially me, with your kind
> of blatantly dishhonest ' intellectual' criticism at all :-)
>
> Michael .
>
> Michael
You mean like being dishonest about never having been in a pub for
"seven years", or perhaps that lie about people calling your kin up
and yelling at them? Oh how about the real whopper about a rocket
attack on Tara ;) Or meeting a lawyer uptown, or having other kin edit
your non existent book?
Take your Meds Michael and stop going to bars.
An Coibhi Drui
In fact you and your minion remind me of the Grand Inquisitors with
the sort of Kangaroo Court you run here !
Michael .
An Coibhi Drui
>
> - Show quoted text -
That last reply was to Felber, not the Minion :-)
Noinden
You tell malicious lies, and get repaid with painful truth and you go
all sulky. You've gotten caught so often recently, only the biggest
fools would believe you. Or people who have something to gain. You
know members of the AWD club who can't get their out of date work
published, while their partners can. Who are forgotten by the winds of
time. You are nothing but a means to the ends of these folks. They dig
themselves so deep with all the support they give you.
Oh and you still don’t know who “Kent” is. IT shows that the Amazon
who gave you a knee to the noggin, and said who it was from (hint
“Kent”) must have scrambled that last neuron.
Or perhaps you just have a dirty liver because all that “tab” got
drunk in one sitting by you. It’s not my fault that you can’t control
your addiction.
An Coibhi Drui
>
> - Show quoted text -
( as I hadn't noticed the Minion slip in his usual Boring and Boorish
oul Jibe in so fast, he's become quite a sneak, devoid of all
intellectualism - there was never any there in the first place ,
anyway ! Michael ) .
An Coibhi Drui
Just read you sad stuff, just read it - from a so-called academic !
Read what you have reduced yourself to, the pathetic Minion you have
become !
Noinden
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Just read you sad stuff" hah! Yeah sure Trinity let you graduate.
Sure.
You are caught in the head lights Michael Joseph McGrath.
You don't know what is happening to you next.
Hint: It's only started.
Oh and stop dragging your kin into your sad lies. They know you need
help. They for whatever reason don't want to force you to get it.
Next time you try to accuse me of a Kangaroo court, or Dan. Remember
we have long memories. Like the lies about me working for the Mob
making “H” whatever that is. Or living in a run down apartment. How
about the lies of Dan being a wife beater, or rapist?
You are walking the bad path Michael and the misfortune is being paid
to you.
An Coibhi Drui
>
> - Show quoted text -
Minion, you're just One Big Fraud, a living, walking, breathing lie ,
in every facet of your miserable existence ..
That''s now obvious even to the fools here , " Doctor Minion " .
Cheers,
Michael .
1X2Willows
> "galvo" <mnb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hd59su$1md$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> What amazes me is all those who don't believe in any thing have so
>> much to say about it....................Sounds like, believe in what
>> I say not what you think..................................Look at it
>> this way, belief may have saved a lot of people from just blowing
>> there brains out.
>
> Or indeed caused them to blow others' brains out.
Nicely put.
Doesn't have to be as extreme as outright killing but religious belief
sure fosters all kinds of exclusionist ideologies which then serve to
make their proponents feel all "special" and supremacist over those
who do not "belong".
Seems to me this sort of behaviour is rampant not only, but also in
Ireland these days. The more fundamental religious, the more extreme.
An Coibhi Drui
Me feel special and supremacist ?
No way,
I don't feel Swiss- German at all :--)
Cheers,
Michael .
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nor am I an enlightened missionary Trotskyist who knows what's good
for the world :--)
1X2Willows
You're not making any sense.
I am Swiss, yes, but I'm the one who would head-lock my own countrymen
and beat the living crap outta' them if they were to behave like you.
That is, behave like the neofascist fuck you are, Mr.
[quote]
Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
(pos 978)
[unquote]
Noinden
Quite simply PROVE IT. Or shut it
Noinden
>
> - Show quoted text -
No I preemptively hacked that years ago, to make a fool of him ;) Haw
Haw Haw, I also made the plagiarism by anticipation of all the Jesus
like gods, and I gave Eve that apple. Yes I hacked God!
1X2Willows
> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>
>>> Me feel special and supremacist ?
>>> No way,
>>> I don't feel Swiss- German at all :--)
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael .
>>
>> You're not making any sense.
>>
>> I am Swiss, yes, but I'm the one who would head-lock my own
>> countrymen and beat the living crap outta' them if they were to
>> behave like you. That is, behave like the neofascist fuck you are,
>> Mr.
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
>> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
>>
>> http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
>> (pos 978)
>>
>> [unquote]
>
> Haw Haw, I also made the plagiarism by anticipation of all the Jesus
> like gods, and I gave Eve that apple. Yes I hacked God!
Sounds exactly like something our resident Priestling would claim
when backed in a corner. Whatever serves to "bring this whole druid
shithouse down" as he phrased it a while ago, right? ;)
No better soldier for the Church than an upstanding devoted CathoBoy.
An Coibhi Drui
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Chief Queer of Ireland presented that in the Senate - after it
was thrown in his letterbox to set him up , the Fool jumped to the
coclusion he was meant to , and has never mentioned it ever again iin
twenty years of public life : in fact he never mentioned it to me
during the year when we met and conversed in Trinity !
Dubliners have a wicked sense of humour , as you're going to find
out :-)
Cheers,
Michael .
An Coibhi Drui
>
> - Show quoted text -
An even Bigger Fool Farrar picked up on it, back in 1997, to the
Senator's holy horror - as some say he printed that leaflet
himself !!! sheeeesh ...
I have never seen a copy of it, and I don't know of anybody who ever
has - maybe Senator David Norris is not as big a Fool as we all think
he is :--)
Cheers,
Michael
1X2Willows
>>
>>> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>>
>>>> [quote]
>>
>>>> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
>>>> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
>>
>>>> http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
>>>> (pos 978)
>>
>>>> [unquote]
>>
>
> has - maybe Senator David Norris is not as big a Fool as we all think
> he is :--)
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
Sure. I bet Senator Norris also wrote those dozens of fascist rants on the
White Power Stormfront board in your name
http://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/page/Hate+material+on+Ku+Klux+Klan+site
All that effort just to get back at you for.... what?
Michael Magrath
> An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>
> >>>> [quote]
>
> >>>> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
> >>>> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
>
> >>>>http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
> >>>> (pos 978)
>
> >>>> [unquote]
>
> >> The Chief Queer of Ireland presented that in the Senate
>
> > I have never seen a copy of it, and I don't know of anybody who ever
> > has - maybe Senator David Norris is not as big a Fool as we all think
> > he is :--)
>
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
>
> Sure. I bet Senator Norris also wrote those dozens of fascist rants on the
>
> All that effort just to get back at you for.... what?- Hide quoted text -
1X2Willows
> never know with these political types - I do know that they know one
> another well, are friends, and of course have worked together on Save
> Tara and the like.
Con? Con who? Are you claiming to be the victim of some conspiracy?
By the way the above link is only referring to those posts on Stormfront.
Anyone can check the accuracy of those quotes by using the link below.
> I do know that anyone would want to be at least a moderator on
> Stormfront and such sites to know who is really posting there, who is
> really who, as it gets really labrynthine in such circles, to which I
> am not privy, because I do not wish to be privy because
> [more blither snipped]
Proof:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?do=finduser&u=94301
Are you seriously suggesting one should believe you didn't write all those
posts under the nym DruidEire (and possibly more as "OldComrade1969") ?
My-my Michael. Now everyone knows of course you reinvented your
neofascist persona by self-styling it "druidic" as of late, but do you
expect people to believe in the tooth fairy as well, Mr. McGrath?
Michael Magrath
> An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>
> >>>> [quote]
>
> >>>> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
> >>>> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
>
> >>>>http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
> >>>> (pos 978)
>
> >>>> [unquote]
>
> >> The Chief Queer of Ireland presented that in the Senate
>
> > I have never seen a copy of it, and I don't know of anybody who ever
> > has - maybe Senator David Norris is not as big a Fool as we all think
> > he is :--)
>
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
>
> Sure. I bet Senator Norris also wrote those dozens of fascist rants on the
>
> All that effort just to get back at you for.... what?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Nov 10, 1:31 am, "1X2Willows" <nos...@least.invalid> wrote:
> An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>
> >>>> [quote]
>
> >>>> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
> >>>> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
>
> >>>>http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
> >>>> (pos 978)
>
> >>>> [unquote]
>
> >> The Chief Queer of Ireland presented that in the Senate
>
> > I have never seen a copy of it, and I don't know of anybody who ever
> > has - maybe Senator David Norris is not as big a Fool as we all think
> > he is :--)
>
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
>
> Sure. I bet Senator Norris also wrote those dozens of fascist rants on the
> White Power Stormfront board in your namehttp://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/page/Hate+material+on+Ku+K...
>
> All that effort just to get back at you for.... what?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe he did, he''s a clever man, making millions out of his political
stances ( all of them rather ODD ! ) on almost every TV Show and Radio
Show you switch on in Ireland, plus all hiis salaries and expenses as
Trinity English Professor, plus his Senator's salary and expenses, and
now his massive Trinity pension, plus all the royalties from his works
on James Joyce ( he's the current world expert ! ) plus his massive
storied house slap bang in the middle of Dublin - and he still has to
be elected by the people after all these years :-)
But I too love watching his antics and listening to them as he plays
the lifelong part of a foppish old British Major type -- his accent
alone would floor Winston Churchill !
Anybody who would take David Norris seriously, the Learned Senator
would readily agree, would have to be a first-class fool.
Oh and he is also a regular columnist on almost ALL the Irish national
newspapers - his house is fabulous , though the huge framed portraits
of male nudes that adorn his walls, I think, are in bad taste ! I have
told him so .
Cheers,
Michael .
Michael Magrath
> An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>
> >>>>>> [quote]
>
> >>>>>> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
> >>>>>> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
>
> >>>>>>http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
> >>>>>> (pos 978)
>
> >>>>>> [unquote]
>
> >>>> The Chief Queer of Ireland presented that in the Senate
>
> >>> I have never seen a copy of it, and I don't know of anybody who ever
> >>> has - maybe Senator David Norris is not as big a Fool as we all
> >>> think he is :--)
>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Michael
>
> >> Sure. I bet Senator Norris also wrote those dozens of fascist rants
> >> on the White Power Stormfront board in your name
> >> All that effort just to get back at you for.... what?
>
> > No, Con did the honours there - maybe they're together in it, you'd
> > never know with these political types - I do know that they know one
> > another well, are friends, and of course have worked together on Save
> > Tara and the like.
>
> Con? Con who? Are you claiming to be the victim of some conspiracy?
> By the way the above link is only referring to those posts on Stormfront.
> Anyone can check the accuracy of those quotes by using the link below.
>
> > I do know that anyone would want to be at least a moderator on
> > Stormfront and such sites to know who is really posting there, who is
> > really who, as it gets really labrynthine in such circles, to which I
> > am not privy, because I do not wish to be privy because
> > [more blither snipped]
>
> Proof:http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?do=finduser&u=94301
>
> Are you seriously suggesting one should believe you didn't write all those
> posts under the nym DruidEire (and possibly more as "OldComrade1969") ?
>
> My-my Michael. Now everyone knows of course you reinvented your
> neofascist persona by self-styling it "druidic" as of late, but do you
>
> - Show quoted text -
" DruidEire" was hijacked BEFORE the Stormfront statements, I am not
anybody's " Old Comrade " - and I do not intend repeating all this
again .
And,, NO,, you can't know the identiityy of anybody on any website
without at least being a moderator of the section, and preferably the
Site Administrator , surely you know that ???
Michael Magrath
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
( And I can never quite figure out why his brother is a truck driver
with a genuine real Irish brogue, ahh sure it could only happen in
Ireland ! )
Michael Magrath
>
> - Show quoted text -
- re David Norris' real Irish brother !!!
stonehengeio
Dan is thick and incapable of lateral thought.
He also remembers feck all when he has been enlightened and prefers to
act the parrot.
He is a thick storm trooper NOT a politician.
Michael Magrath
>
> - Show quoted text -
David is a Poseur par excellence , a self-made celebrity :
He does do some serious work for the Palestinian Arabs - and he did
oppose the M3 at Tara, though he did buggerall about it in the End.
Anything else about David, as Dr. Dwyer says, to be taken with a large
bottle of brandy !
stonehengeio
All the world is a stage and We are All but actors upon it.
Michael Magrath
>
> - Show quoted text -
And Dwyer, though he did not appear here by name, was the only genuine
Doctor ever here !!!
Attention, M I N I O N .
Haw Haw Haw
Michael Magrath
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
His house is, of course, Georgian , the furniture antique, some of it
priceless . He would, of course, be a natural for Archdruid of
Ireland, that is, if the Irish would tolerate his six-footer
mustacheod Israeli wife .
I know his former wife, a fabulous fellow called Joe, Chief Guide to
all the tourists around Trinity , like David, a natural wit .
Basically he is elected as one of the three Senators for Trinity to
the Irish Senate by thhe Graduates of the University worldwide - he
has never been elected by the Irish people who do not elect the
Senate, but the Dail , Dail Eireann , The Assembly of Ireland . There
are moves now to abolish the Senate as a useless and expensive
undemocratic Institution, and it looks like its days - and David
Norris' there - are numbered.
But he won't disappear due to all his other public commitments and
activities, and these days he spends more time in the RTE studios than
anywhere else.
And though a Protestant by birth, he is another one who has never
pressed for the abolition of those Angelus bells !
Cheers,
Michael .
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 2:50 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote
>>>>>>> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>>
>> Proof:
>> http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?do=finduser&u=94301
>>
>> Are you seriously suggesting one should believe you didn't write all
>> those posts under the nym DruidEire (and possibly more as
>> "OldComrade1969") ?
>>
>> My-my Michael. Now everyone knows of course you reinvented your
>> neofascist persona by self-styling it "druidic" as of late, but do
>> you expect people to believe in the tooth fairy as well, Mr. McGrath?
>
> anybody's " Old Comrade " - and I do not intend repeating all this
> again .
Michael... you've been around on Usenet for two and a half years now
and you do it every time. You get caught revealing your true ideology
while you felt safe... and next thing you claim you got "hacked",
impersonated, mail addy stolen, whatever.
> And,, NO,, you can't know the identiityy of anybody on any website
> without at least being a moderator of the section, and preferably the
> Site Administrator , surely you know that ???
Funny the alleged impostor on Stormfront would writes about the same
subjects you do normally. Same style, same "reasoning", same goals.
Twin-like and not even "evil twin", just twin.
Wouldn't you expect a "hacker" to do something contrary to your
regular persona? I know the rest of us would.
You're not making any sense but this is no news...
Kent
> Oh and you still don’t know who “Kent” is. IT shows that the Amazon
> who gave you a knee to the noggin, and said who it was from (hint
> “Kent”) must have scrambled that last neuron.
Gareth, I'd doubt he can remember what he had for breakfast....other
than it was served in a glass at the Black Cat, that is...let alone
remember that he got his jaw cracked by someone two years ago! Gods!
he can't even remember things when he's given a specific date, place,
and time to recall (such as that he was SUPPOSED to be on Tara at
Noon, on Midsummers Day in 2006, with a Rowan Staff, that he cut
himself, in his hand...but less than 24 hours prior to that he BACKED
OUT ON HIS WORD TO BE THERE!)
Kent
wrote:
> Minion, you're just One Big Fraud, a living, walking, breathing lie ,
> in every facet of your miserable existence ..
> That''s now obvious even to the fools here , " Doctor Minion " .
Ya know, Gareth, that almost sounds like a good "arch nemesis" name
for a comic book...
"Doctor Minion and the Dan Collective vs. Cirrhosis Man"
Kent
wrote:
>
> An even Bigger Fool Farrar picked up on it, back in 1997, to the
> Senator's holy horror - as some say he printed that leaflet
> himself !!! sheeeesh ...
>
Best be careful, Mick...she does keep tabs on things here. Don't want
a visit from the Garda over that old case, now do you?
stonehengeio
Thats right kent confuse the strings by cutting bits and mixing them
up.
gareth dan dana and you are just like parrots
.nothing new there then!
Kent
> " DruidEire" was hijacked BEFORE the Stormfront statements, I am not
> anybody's " Old Comrade " - and I do not intend repeating all this
> again .
> And,, NO,, you can't know the identiityy of anybody on any website
> without at least being a moderator of the section, and preferably the
> Site Administrator , surely you know that ???
Ah, so then when "you" (ie DruidEire) were posting here AFTER the
Stormfront material, it wasn't you?
Interesting...
Kent
> All the world is a stage and We are All but actors upon it.
Even Park Rangers who try to be "politically correct" and use Zionist
instead of Jewish...
stonehengeio
only to an idiot.
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 4:21 am, Kent wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 7:57 pm, Michael Magrath <photog....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> " DruidEire" was hijacked BEFORE the Stormfront statements, I am not
>>> anybody's " Old Comrade " - and I do not intend repeating all this
>>> again .
>>> And,, NO,, you can't know the identiityy of anybody on any website
>>> without at least being a moderator of the section, and preferably
>>> the Site Administrator , surely you know that ???
>>
>> Ah, so then when "you" (ie DruidEire) were posting here AFTER the
>> Stormfront material, it wasn't you?
>>
>> Interesting...
>
> only to an idiot.
of course a fellow "Zionist conspiracy" paranoid like you would say that
Kent
What? Can't follow lateral thinking?
Kent
You must be totally fascinated by it then...
Stacey Weinberger
> the lifelong part of a foppish old British Major type -- his accent
> alone would floor Winston Churchill !
CHURCHILL?
Spiny Norman
stonehengeio
Nothing wrong with the jews, however Zionists are another thing all
together as you well know.
I can hardly be ante-Semitic as i support the Semitic Palestinian
people and the ante Zionist Jewish peace campaigners.
So stuff that up your Zionist hooter along with your propaganda.
Kent
"ante" is what you do in a poker game, "anti-" (in other words,
opposing) is what you're attempting to say, I believe, Mr. Ranger,
sir...
Don't you have a loo to clean or some tourists to entertain rather
than playing around on the internet? Man! I thought Government Jobs
were cushy here in the US! Britain must not care at all about their
Civil Servants and what they do!
1X2Willows
> On Nov 9, 9:37 pm, stonehengeio <stoneheng...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> All the world is a stage and We are All but actors upon it.
>>
>>> Even Park Rangers who try to be "politically correct" and use
>>> Zionist instead of Jewish...
>>
>> Nothing wrong with the jews, however Zionists are another thing all
>> together as you well know.
>> I can hardly be ante-Semitic as i support the Semitic Palestinian
>> people and the ante Zionist Jewish peace campaigners.
>> So stuff that up your Zionist hooter along with your propaganda.
>
> "ante" is what you do in a poker game, "anti-" (in other words,
> opposing) is what you're attempting to say, I believe, Mr. Ranger,
> sir...
Latin. "at" or "in front of"
Salve
The Lingo Guy ;-}
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 9:05 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
> >> Sophistry Made Simple wrote:
> �
>
> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
A True Red Coat, Wanna Be!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Culloden wasn't enough for you.
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
A great inspirational leader - if the Germans had him they would have
won the war !
Oh they would also have needed Monty and another half dozen Irish
Field Marshals and Generals of the British Army, plus all the
thousands of Irishmen from the South who fought and died on Land, Sea
and in the Air , volunteers all - no consctipts.
We never had conscription in Ireland, not even under the British, The
Irish volunteer to go and fight for the freedom of small countries on
far foreign fields from Dunkirk to Belgrade, that's our warrior
heritage !
We do not even have to be asked !!!
Oh, and while you're at it you could look up the history of guys like
The Fightimg 69th !
or the Air Ace of the Battle of Britain, Wing Commander William '
Paddy' Finucane , downed 32 Gerries before they got him at the age of
21 over the coast of France - with ground fire . He led the Canadian
Spitfire Squadron, an Irish Republican from Dublin
" Wilco, Wingco, tally ho...
Cheers,
Michael .
PS: If the horror of the camps had to be known , the whole of Ireland
would have driven for Berlin :-)
As it was, we were only doing our bit to help out an old
enemy ...there was nothing in it for us. Like today when we are
leading the war on famine in Africa, Bob Geldof ( Jewish , by the
way), Bono of U2 , CONCERN, GOAL , LIVE AID etc etc etc
1X2Willows
Are you implying Zionists have big noses? All seventy million fundy
Christian evangelicals here in the US as well?
Surely you meant to be "pc" and talk "code" again Mr. TourGuide.
- and why would you guess Kent is Jewish as long as AssWipe McGrath
who should know by now hasn't even figured it out?
Dana
It would be the best thing for him to get a bit of official supervision for
a change.
Allowing this fast-cycling bi-polar case to self-medicate with booze and be
a burden on his community is disgraceful.