the Stakeknife Mystery
Nick Eckert
informant very high in the Provos' hierarchy really does exist or is
currently active. I know that "Martin Ingram" claims he does and that
Francisco Notorantonio was supposedly fed to the UFF hit teams to keep them
from coming after Stakeknife. Yet wouldn't someone in the Loyalist
community who knows who the UDA was planning to hit before Notorantonio got
nominated have put two and two together and exposed Stakeknife?
So it seems at least possible that Stakeknife:
a. doesn't exist and was created by the Security Forces to foster a tout
hunt or was dreamed up by conspiracy theorists
b. was active at one time but has long since gone into hiding
c. existed but was never a real agent under British control but was instead
someone who periodically communicated with the British when it suited his or
her purposes
d. exists or existed not as one person but was or is several different
people operating at different levels and parts of the IRA
Go figure.
Mac the Knife
The head of internal security with the IRA, Freddy Skafateechi worked as a
double agent passing on information to British intelligence using the
codename 'stakeknife'. Mr. Skafateech left his Dublin home of 5 years
yesterday and is said to be under the protection of British agents. Tomorrow
the Sunday People newspaper publishes details of 20-year-old information
being passed on from the IRA. Reporter Greg Harkin of 'The People' says the
British would have been aware of the illegal activities of the IRA man.
Beacon
"Mac the Knife" <MakTh...@politics.com> wrote in message
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Get todays Sunday Tribune if you want the correct name.
Jerry Desmond
Here is the May 11 article from NY Times:
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British Spy in I.R.A. Is Pulled Out
By WARREN HOGE
LONDON, May 11 — A man believed to be Britain's longtime top
intelligence agent within the Irish Republican Army was reported to
have been moved to an official safehouse in England this weekend after
it emerged that newspapers in Ireland and Scotland were about to
identify him by name.
The Sunday Tribune in Dublin and The Sunday Herald in Glasgow said the
informer, for whom British authorities used the codename Stakeknife,
was Alfredo Scappaticci, a Belfast man now in his 50's.
The papers said he infiltrated the I.R.A. in the 1970's and became the
clandestine army's officer charged with vetting recruits to make sure
they were not informers and tracking down veterans thought to be
undercover British agents.
If it is true that the man responsible for rooting out British agents
was himself one, it would represent a startling security setback for
the I.R.A., a force known for the fierce loyalty of its members and
for the brutal punishments it metes out to suspected informers.
The Sunday Times of London reported that the man it called Stakeknife
was spirited out of Ireland on Saturday by British defense officials
concerned for his safety once his name was made public.
The possibility that someone would put a name to Stakeknife arose last
month when Sir John Stevens, the head of Scotland Yard, issued an
interim report on his 14-year investigation into collusion between
British security forces and Protestant guerrillas in the murders of
Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland in the 1980's.
The report focused in part on the role of double agents in what is
called "the dirty war" in Northern Ireland. At the news conference in
Belfast announcing the findings, Sir John said: "We will be
questioning Stakeknife soon. We fear other informants have been
sacrificed to save him, and we will be asking him about that."
In its account, the Dublin newspaper said that the British
intelligence agency under investigation by the Stevens team, the
army's ultrasecret Force Research Unit, had allowed Mr. Scappaticci to
take part in 40 murders to protect his cover. Victims included
Protestant guerrillas, police officers, soldiers and civilians, the
paper said.
One of the murders being investigated by the Stevens team is that of
Francisco Notarantonio, a 66-year-old Belfast pensioner and former
I.R.A. member who was killed in 1987 by the Ulster Defense
Association, Northern Ireland's largest Protestant paramilitary group.
The allegation is that Mr. Notarantonio's name was given to the
guerrilla gunmen by an army undercover man as a substitute for their
real target, Mr. Scappaticci.
He is also said to have provided his military handlers with the
information that led to the killings of three I.R.A. volunteers in
Gibraltar in 1988 by British special forces soldiers. What have been
called the "Death on the Rock" killings led many analysts at the time
to suspect the presence of a highly placed mole in the I.R.A.
According to The Sunday Tribune, Mr. Scappaticci originally approached
British military intelligence as a junior I.R.A. volunteer in 1978
wanting revenge for a severe beating he had received from one of the
group's members in Belfast. Once installed as a double agent, he was
paid Ł80,000 a year, or $128,000, the paper reported.
There was no confirmation of the reports tonight from either the
Northern Ireland Office, which said it did not discuss intelligence
matters, or Sinn Fein, the political party of the Irish Republican
Army.
Sage
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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> Scríobh Mac the Knife:
Sríobh Féachadóir:
>
> > Various reports have said Freddy's name was first posted to "an
> internet website". Anyone know which website? Who owns that site?
> Where can I see the original article naming him?
Thats similar to Danny Morrison's argument about the naming of Freddy.
K
>
> --
> "Ferr fíor fertaib"
> Féachadóir
michael adams
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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>
> internet website". Anyone know which website? Who owns that site?
> Where can I see the original article naming him?
I think the story is that Kevin Fulton along with 15 others
start quote:
AT least 16 British Army officers, who are currently working
undercover as spies within the ranks of the IRA, carried out
a series of terrorist bombings and shootings to preserve
their cover as leading Provos.
The British government is thwarting all efforts by the agents
to come in from the cold and has abandoned the soldiers because
of the offences they carried out while army agents.
end quote:
http://www.sundayherald.com/13387
(theres loads of links to other Sunday Herald articles
on this at the bottom - "you saw it here first" etc)
was threatening to blow his cover by publishing his name
on a website as a way of prssurising the BG.
(but I can't find the reference)
The Sunday Herald jounos have got the best "in" to these
guys it seems.
Lot's more fun on
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/fru-claimant2.htm
as per usual. Start at cryptome.org for other stuff
And what a daft code name! Stakenife !
(If Skatantyhing is anywhere near his real name)
atb
michael adams
Cat
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>Scríobh Mac the Knife:
>
>>Newsflash - Source Independent Newspapers
>>
>>The head of internal security with the IRA, Freddy Skafateechi worked as
a
>
>yesterday didn't name him. Where did you get this report from?
>
Found it spellt "Scappaticci".
You can do the research for it obviously excites you more than me.
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ITOUT @ntlworld.com Telmey®
of posting this;
No where in your links is the name mentioned let alone with the
mis-spelling "Freddy Skafateech" the first naming seems to be with
this spelling "Skafateech", seems to be the first naming, and seems
to be on the 10 May in this post ....
>From: "Mac the Knife" <MakTh...@politics.com>
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Not hard to see that it is from a NTL(i) cable user 81.106.226.24
So I'd like to ask where 81.106.226.24 got his information
from....... The day before it was released?
ITOUT @ntlworld.com Telmey®
guilty of posting this;
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>"Sage" <proctork@(nospam)iol.ie> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
>> news:o6rubvoucg91rqt0t...@4ax.com...
>> > Scríobh Mac the Knife:
>> Sríobh Féachadóir:
>> >
>> > > Various reports have said Freddy's name was first posted to "an
>> > internet website". Anyone know which website? Who owns that site?
>> > Where can I see the original article naming him?
>>
>> Thats similar to Danny Morrison's argument about the naming of Freddy.
>
>Scappaticci as a "mischievous" tale, designed to damage the republican
>movement and the peace process. He is reported as saying that the story is
>"bizarre and without any proof. Until proven otherwise I'm very sceptical
>about stories which emanate from sources of British military intelligence."
Danny morrison's site is a silly site he tries in poor attempts to
blacken David Trimbles name in childish antics etc etc,
Is say's a lot for a man in supposedly in serious politics...... does
it.
whoever
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>
>Perhaps. I'd still like to see the site.
This may or may not be the one you are looking for. They do name Stakeknife's
handler. Look through the archives a bit. (November, 2002)
michael adams
"Telmey®" <Telmey ITOUT @ ntlworld.com > wrote in message
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The News in the Papers isn't secret as Soon as it comes off of the Presses
if not before. The English Sunday newspapers used to be available at 5pm
Saturday Evening in Fleet St (London). And I'd imagine the same goes for
Glasgow too. The name is on the "links" at the bottom of the herald page
one of which http://www.sundayherald.com/33815 gives -
"as THE British army's most deadly double agent, who operated at the very
heart of the IRA, has been identified as Alfredo 'Freddy' Scappaticci,
known to spy-masters by the codename 'Stakeknife'.".
According to the stakenife link on the top of the cryptome page
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/fru-stakeknife.htm
"Ireland on Sunday" also named him, and so presumably that's where
Independant Newspapers got the other name, as reported by the OP
michael adams
...
Blue Nun
Is it true the other agents were called Prawn Cocktail, Black Forest Gateaux
and
Libfraumilch?
Blue Nun
Holly
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> "Sage" <proctork@(nospam)iol.ie> wrote in message
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> >
> > news:o6rubvoucg91rqt0t...@4ax.com...
> > > Scríobh Mac the Knife:
> > Sríobh Féachadóir:
> > >
> > > > Various reports have said Freddy's name was first posted to "an
> > > internet website". Anyone know which website? Who owns that site?
> > > Where can I see the original article naming him?
> >
> > Thats similar to Danny Morrison's argument about the naming of Freddy.
>
> Scappaticci as a "mischievous" tale, designed to damage the republican
> movement and the peace process. He is reported as saying that the story is
> "bizarre and without any proof. Until proven otherwise I'm very sceptical
> about stories which emanate from sources of British military
intelligence."
>
> Falcon:
> fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Looks like someone has some sense around here. You'd have to go a long way
to find a better example of contradictions and absurdities. I don't know
where to start. The article is high drama indeed and may I add, feckin
hilarious.
http://www.sundayherald.com/33815
My favorite bit:
"The IRA fear the outing of Stakeknife could deal an almost-fatal blow to
the organisation. A senior Republican source said last night: 'This is the
most dreadful news I've ever heard. I don't know how we can recover from
this. How can we have any confidence left in ourselves when a man like
Scappaticci turned out to be Stakeknife?"
The use of an Italian name is something to be considered as well.
Someone is trying to tweak noses.
Nik O'Kiwi
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>"Telmey®" <Telmey ITOUT @ ntlworld.com > wrote in message
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>> An anon jury found Falcon <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
>> guilty of posting this;
>> >"Sage" <proctork@(nospam)iol.ie> wrote in message
>> >news:7kKva.12924$pK2....@news.indigo.ie...
>> >>
>> >> "Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
>> >> news:o6rubvoucg91rqt0t...@4ax.com...
>> >> > Scríobh Mac the Knife:
>> >> Sríobh Féachadóir:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Various reports have said Freddy's name was first posted to "an
>> >> > internet website". Anyone know which website? Who owns that site?
>> >> > Where can I see the original article naming him?
>> >>
>> >> Thats similar to Danny Morrison's argument about the naming of Freddy.
>> >
>> >It's curious. Yesterday Danny Morrison dismissed the reports about
>> >Scappaticci as a "mischievous" tale, designed to damage the republican
>> >movement and the peace process. He is reported as saying that the story is
>> >"bizarre and without any proof. Until proven otherwise I'm very sceptical
>> >about ."
>> Danny morrison's site is a silly site he tries in poor attempts to
>> blacken David Trimbles name in childish antics etc etc,
>> Is say's a lot for a man in supposedly in serious politics...... does
>> it.
>
>I'm just mildly amused by Republican reaction. Morrison is sceptical about
>"stories which emanate from sources of British military intelligence." Now,
>I thought this one was supposed to have originated with either Ingram or
>Fulton surely? Do we now assume that now *Republicans* doubt the
>reliability of either, or both of them?
Neither conclusion is deductively valid.
> Or are we to assume that Ingram
>and/or Fulton are part of an intricate long term plot to embarrass not only
>the British Government, but the SF/IRA leadership as well? It seems that
>the list of people who don't know their arse from their elbow extends well
>beyond Michael Adams and Nik Warrenson.
><ducks>
Boring ad hominem Falcon.
Nik
Nik O'Kiwi
>Is it true the other agents were called Prawn Cocktail, Black Forest Gateaux
>and Libfraumilch?
You're forgetting Fromage, Pate de Foie Gras and Strawberry Soup.
>Blue Nun
With goat? <slaver>
Creme de Menthe
Nik O'Kiwi
wrote:
> Sinn Fein, the political party of the Irish Republican Army.
Is the British Army the military wing of the British Government?
Nik
Nik O'Kiwi
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>"Nik O'Kiwi" <repub...@email.com> wrote in message
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>Yes: an unusual description, but pretty accurate. What's your point?
<laugh>
Nik
Jim Watt
> He is also said to have provided his military handlers with the
> information that led to the killings of three I.R.A. volunteers in
> Gibraltar in 1988 by British special forces soldiers.
Is this the PC term for terrorists, or is that term restricted
to airborne arabs in NY?
Alan Smaill
Of course it is.
Is SF the political wing of the IRA?
> Nik
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Nik O'Kiwi
wrote:
>Nik O'Kiwi <repub...@email.com> writes:
>
>> On 11 May 2003 15:02:03 -0700, jjd...@hotmail.com (Jerry Desmond)
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Sinn Fein, the political party of the Irish Republican Army.
>>
>> Is the British Army the military wing of the British Government?
>
>Of course it is.
>
>Is SF the political wing of the IRA?
The association ended in 1937, iirc.
Nik
Alan Smaill
> On 14 May 2003 02:24:15 +0100, Alan Smaill <sma...@inf.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Nik O'Kiwi <repub...@email.com> writes:
> >
> >> On 11 May 2003 15:02:03 -0700, jjd...@hotmail.com (Jerry Desmond)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sinn Fein, the political party of the Irish Republican Army.
> >>
> >> Is the British Army the military wing of the British Government?
> >
> >Of course it is.
> >
> >Is SF the political wing of the IRA?
>
> The association ended in 1937, iirc.
why so coy ?
>
> Nik
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Ergoge the Niffirg
wrote:
You need to read the history of the organization you are meant to be
part of.
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George
Alas poor sig, I knew it well.
Ergoge the Niffirg
>Scríobh Ergoge the Niffirg:
>That would require him understanding that the organisation he is part
>of isn't the one that existed in 1937, which just engineered a reverse
>takeover of the Labour party.
Now that's going to confuse the hell out of him.
Now, why have you said anything about my nordie thread?
Séimí mac Liam
news:agg5cv4rpg09mf3p8...@4ax.com:
> http:/homepage.eircom.net/~abardubh/iomha/
Very nice screen shot of a 404 file not found page. Nothing adde4d
that's for sure.
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Séimí mac Liam
news:1vm5cv0qop2eiqus3...@4ax.com:
> On 14 May 2003 23:33:16 GMT, "Séimí mac Liam" <gwy...@aracnet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in
>>news:agg5cv4rpg09mf3p8...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> http:/homepage.eircom.net/~abardubh/iomha/
>>
>>Very nice screen shot of a 404 file not found page. Nothing adde4d
>>that's for sure.
>
> Wouldn't open for me either, James. Hope you're well, btw. :)
>
> jake
>
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