Hello: WAKE UP
JHVH
and stopped wasting time responding to posts and only used "block sender",
that he would eventually be left to live with himself. This would be far
worse than fighting with people, because fighting with people validates his
ego. If we all vigilantly blocked him no matter how many cascades and
binaries he posted to try and get us to tell him off, he would go away and
be forced to be a self-hating attention-grabbing monkey in real life instead
of a hollywood star.
If we blocked Riain Y. Barton, he would be forced to do things in real life
like trip himself on escalators and show up loudly crying at support groups
for completely unrelated issues. "You might be a heroin addict but what
about meeeeeeee, I'm a kinky gay JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBOOHOO!" And once the
cycle of the psychic vampire is established in Real Life, he is a short time
away from ugly enlightenment. If you wish this sort of pain on him, the
worst sort, then ignore him and he will suffer.
Just reminding you of your common sense, people.
And just to get the ball rolling, I'm going to be the first to plonk him
permanently.
Riain Barton
What is it about my posts that you do not want people to here?
Do you always promote censorship and stopping people from reading about
other opinions and ideas and beliefs?
"JHVH" <ding...@assholecalling.com> wrote in message
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Mary Hogan
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"Mary Hogan" <ho...@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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Riain Barton
SOC.CULTURE.JEWISH AND SOC.CULTURE.ISRAEL
NO GO PLAY WITH YOUR PARTNER THE FAMILY GOAT!
"Noel" <no.t...@I.dont.want.your.spam> wrote in message
news:e5hpb0teb6oi1n6vh...@4ax.com...
| On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:34:06 GMT, "Riain Barton"
| <ri...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
|
| >And who are you and who cares what you have to say?
|
| Ask yourself that question.
|
| >What is it about my posts that you do not want people to here?
|
| Hmmm.... maybe speak 'n' spell approach to writing. Maybe the fact
| that you are always whinging about being attacked by other ng members.
|
| >Do you always promote censorship and stopping people from reading about
| >other opinions and ideas and beliefs?
|
| I haven't seen a post from you where you wrote about your opinions,
| ideas or beliefs. Indeed, you give the impression that you do not
| know what your ideas or beliefs are.
|
|
John P. Mullen
Back when I taught Jr High, I had this one girl in class that just would
not shut up. No matter who I sat her next to, she would talk up a
storm. She understood the problem she was causing, but couldn't help
herself. Finally, I sat her away from the rest, whereupon she started
talking to the board.
We could ignore Riain, but he won't go away. He'll just infest some
poor unsuspecting other news group.
So, we Irish, being used to bad neighbors and a poor lot in life,
willingly suffer the discomfort of listening to Biain's ravings so that
a few more people can go forth in the world in peace.
It's what we do.
:-)
John Mullen
JHVH wrote:
>
> <snip>
> If we blocked Riain Y. Barton, he would be forced to do things in real life
> <snip>
Riain Barton
soc.culture.irish
Be sure to separate threads I started from replies and cross-postings that I
did not begin.
"John P. Mullen" <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:40BD5EE5...@zianet.com...
"MIDIcian" (tm)
news:U9dvc.12798$Ba....@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> Really?? Check the stats to see how many posts I have posted to
> soc.culture.irish
Under that pseudo. What about under your other pseudos????
Stan,
www.thesequencers.us
"Who are you
Who who, who who
I really want to know" - the Who
Riain Barton
status: active!
Last Updated: 09/29/03
These are the most recent active email addresses and names being used by
Stan, and the abuse departments' emails as well. Please! If you know the
abuse addresses for any of these email providers, please email me! Everyone
thanks you!!
What's in red is what's current.
\MIDIcian\ \(tm\)
St...@NeverFalls.com,
please report to: ab...@alt.net (Altopia)
Stanneverfalls
stannev...@aol.com,
please report to: ab...@aol.com
This Guy, The Real Slim Shady, This Velvet Glove, Funk Soul Brother, Hips
Taking Care Of Himself, The Unseen, Never Falls, Stan Never Falls, Stan and
the Sequencers, stanwillneverfall, MIDIcian, theSequencers, the Sequencers,
Stan Rosenthal, This Guy, I'm Blue [1], The Spoon [1], Stan Will Never
Fall!, Little Star
sigo...@netzero.net, midi...@netzero.net, never...@netzero.net
please report to: ab...@netzero.net, ab...@corp.netcom.net.uk,
groups...@google.com, ab...@binaries.net
The Spoon, The Rooster, Spoon Man
st...@neverfalls.com
please report to: ab...@mybluelight.com, ab...@usenetserver.com,
ab...@airmail.net, ab...@teranews.com, ab...@sonicnews.com
Stan's Past Emails
status: sporadic
Last Updated: 09/29/03
History: Stan's old emails can sometimes help you judge Stan's latest ID. He
often uses the name of his band (Stan and the Sequencers) in his psuedos
and/or his email addresses.
Whatsametau
whats...@aol.com
reported to: ab...@aol.com
StanSqncrs
StanS...@aol.com, stans...@aol.com, StanS...@juno.com,
stans...@aol.com, stanandthe...@prontomail.com, T...@Solution.com
reported to: ab...@aol.com
Purple STAiN
Pur...@STAiN.com
Purple STAiN, The Messenger
thi...@myremarq.com, dust...@savior.com
The Messenger
tmwkt...@hotmail.com
reported to: ab...@hotmail.com
StanSequencers
stanseq...@aol.com
reported to: ab...@aol.com
Never Falls
stanseq...@msn.com
Stanley Rosenthal, PurPle STAiN, Significant Other
Stans...@startfree.com
Stanley Rosenthal
StansSe...@aol.com
reported to: ab...@aol.com
stans...@worldnet.att.net
Stanley Rosenthal, Ghost In The Machine
Technicolor Lover, Purple STAiN
StanSeq...@prodigy.net
reported to: ab...@prodigy.net
PurPle STAiN
stannev...@hotmail.com
reported to: ab...@hotmail.com
(the) PurPle STAiN, (the) Rooster, Stan Rosenthal
StanSeq...@ev1.net
reported to: ab...@ev1.net, ab...@nbci.com
Stan Never Falls, I really won't fall.
Never...@mybluelight.com
reported to: ab...@mybluelight.com, groups...@google.com
Stanley Rosenthal
rosentha...@hotmail.com
reported to: ab...@hotmail.com
Spoon Man/The Rooster
Never...@mybluelisght.com
reported to: ab...@Binaries.net, ab...@newsfeeds.com, ab...@usenetserver.com
Another Handle
couldbea...@any.server
reported to: ab...@usenetserver.com
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I hope that this page has been of some help to you, and I hope and pray that
you never receive an email from, see a post from, or see another reference
to Stan again. All of his email addresses should be killfiled if possible.
But most important: DO NOT RESPOND TO A WORD HE SAYS!
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message
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Riain Barton
alt.music.weird-al - 42!!!!
Stan - 0
What a difference a year and a half makes...well, not really
Sing along to "Everything He Says Is Wrong!"
Some BURNING questions!
Jump to links and addresses!
"So Stan, PLEASE. If you have any respect for me *at all*, honor my request
and don't post in this newsgroup any more." -Al
"I personally take everything he says with a grain of salt (and two
aspirin)....stating fact only adds fuel to the fire." -Brave Combo member
Danny O'Brien (one of Stan's supposed "heroes")
As any Internet Al fan knows, the newsgroup alt.music.weird-al has been
plagued by a menacing demon who goes by the earthly name Stan Rosenthal (not
to be confused with the elderly landscape artist of the same name). Believe
it or not, it goes far beyond a simple troll bothering a fanbase.
It all started mid-August of 1998. Most fans will remember that for well
over a month without pause, he had posted roughly fifty or so messages on a
daily basis....each one listing an obscure false connection to "Weird Al"
Yankovic and slightly-famous groups such as Camel and Brave Combo. Some
posts even went as far as explaining "hidden meanings" in some of Al's
songs.
One of Stan's more prominent delusions was that Al's 1996 song "Everything
You Know Is Wrong," which Al has said a few times is his own tribute to They
Might Be Giants, is a line-by-line reference to the polka band Brave
Combo.....even going so far as citing "examples" from the lyrics such as
"the words '....evil twin.....' are from such and such a song" and "the
phrase 'noisy ice machine' is about Brave Combo fans."
In addition to these delusions, as soon as he started posting messages did
Stan start (for lack of a better phrase) "picking on" another member of the
newsgroup (their name withheld to protect their identity). Stan claims that
he knew this person from another forum, yet still does not explain his
constant insulting and harassing of this individual. This definitely raised
some eyebrows amongst the regular posters of the newsgroup. Why would
someone start to harass an innocent bystander?
Outside of those attacks, Stan's posts at first seemed like just silly
nonsense, like maybe an overzealous fan trying to act "goofy." For a little
while regular posters seemed to just shrug it off. However, it became a
little alarming when he started arguing with and making fun of people who
asked him to simply "get a grip" or tried to explain why his notions just
didn't make any sense....getting more and more hostile with each new
individual.
Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz, Al's drummer/historian since 1980, had told Stan
that no connections exist, nor do any of his ideas about Al's song lyrics
make any sense. On September 20, Al himself had to even fax a message to
Bermuda to relay to Stan, confirming that there is no "sync" to anything
Stan has talked about...and asked Stan to please leave the newsgroup in fear
of his behavior scaring away fans.
This meant nothing to Stan (at first doubting it was Al who penned the
message), who continued to post irrelevant messages on a daily basis....most
often about some unclear "Gang" from the Weird Al IRC room (it should be
noted that nobody has witnessed him entering the IRC room). It was then
discovered that in the past, his own ramblings have broken up discussion
groups about Camel and particularly Brave Combo. Band members from Brave
Combo have been stalked by Stan via phone, e-mail, and fax almost daily. So
it seems he had his eyes set on alt.music.weird-al for reasons unknown.
Regular posters from alt.music.weird-al started leaving left and right.
People who just wanted to discuss Al and legitimately-related topics only to
have this fungus clutter up the newsgroup.
And so a group of people including myself started a little flame attack on
Stan in order to scare him away and save the newsgroup. Apparently, all of
our efforts worked, because only days after we started in on him did he
announce that he was leaving alt.music.weird-al (note the promise he made
should he return).
The victory was ours, for the time being (this link is from a post I made
thanking everyone for helping out).
However in January Stan returned, this time convinced that there was some
odd connection between Al, Brave Combo, and the cover artwork for the 1996
Sam Goody CD compilation Besta Polka (particularly about the fact that the
cover announces that there are eight songs on the CD). Although never clear
on what exactly the cover-up is....well, covering up, Stan simply states
that any "true" fan (like him, he claims) would see it.
Keep in mind all of this was coming from a guy who was asked by Al himself
to leave the newsgroup.
I made a post to a.m.w-a in late January. It can best be described as a
sum-up of Stan's obvious motives, and Stan's comment I was replying to gives
you an example of how deluded his misconceptions are...as he thinks just
because nobody bothered to validate his ramblings that he was in the right.
To finally shut Stan up, I contacted the Sam Goody/Musicland corporation and
asked them about the Besta Polka artwork, to which they said....
"You are correct- the only meaning behind the number '8' on the cover is the
number of songs on the compilation. There are no other hidden
meanings." -Brant Skogrand, Musicland Stores Corporation
This expectedly did not satisfy Stan, so he then started posting irrelevant
posts about old unrelated songs, claiming they're on the topic of Weird Al
"because it's posted by an Al fan."
Starting in early February, Stan started fishing for personal information
from newsgroup regulars, starting with yours truly (he must have a crush on
me or something, I dunno). Since he was a member of AOL at this time,
needless to say his behavior was a serious violation of their Terms of
Service. Even now, if Stan asks you for any information you would prefer a
delusional schizophrenic not have, report him to his domain immediately and
if he persists contact your local police.
In addition to seeking out information on others in the newsgroup, he then
started to add and change words to people's posts when replying to them. As
the month of February progressed, Stan had become convinced that he himself
had been the inspiration for every one of Al's songs since 1984! Needless to
say, this goes far beyond "I think Al is influenced by Brave Combo." This is
full-blown obsession!
(And before you say "Look who's talking," keep in mind this web page has
been a live document since 1998. Despite Stan's claims of otherwise, the
time and energy to update this page is minimal, since he provides all the
material himself, so to speak. This is simply a compilation of Stan's crap.)
By mid-February, Stan had run out of anything to say. He was now resorting
to re-posting his old, long, boring messages from September of last year,
including rewritten song lyrics that are both off-topic and frankly kinda
stupid, and editing Jon's quotes to fit his own agenda (whatever that may
be). He had also asserted that Brave Combo and Al are officially related
because they have both mentioned chickens and scratching in their songs.
Yes, my head is also shaking in utter pity.
Being his old hypocritical self, around this time Stan had posted a message
about Brave Combo which says:
"Yea, 'tis true. There is no connection between Al and BC"
He had even admitted to terrorizing the newsgroup, and again blamed his
beloved Brave Combo for showing up on the group (wonder if his self-claimed
"buddy" Brave Combo leader Carl Finch knows it's "his" fault). It has since
become Al's fault and weirdal.com's fault in his eyes.
After trying to get someone named Conrad Dobler (a woman named Conrad) into
the newsgroup to try to attack everyone for wanting to get rid of him, as
February ended Stan claimed to be both a part of the band Brave Combo and
Carl Finch's wife....had been convinced that the lyrics of Al's songs such
as "Everything You Know Is Wrong" are wrong (and this brings doubt as to
whether or not Stan actually owns any Al albums, since lyrics are easily
available on many web sites).....had resorted to more profanity and flaming
against Jon.....accused longtime members of the newsgroup of
spamming.....and started reposting old messages from the Brave Combo mailing
list (the one he forced to close down).
In March, Stan had posted an odd and untrue story about him meeting people
on the newsgroup at a Brave Combo concert (something to this day he still
believes happened).....and had started to dare people to debate him, proof
that he never had anything valid to say to begin with and just wanted to
argue. He had also started a ridiculously long argument that he has more
credibility than Jesus Christ...and, most disturbing of all, started making
references to Al's death.
Just to give you another example of how...um, perverted(?) his thinking
is....in late March he was under the impression that he had been able to
shut down the accounts of every member of America Online (except his own, of
course). That would sound believable, if it wasn't for the fact that
NOBODY'S account was down. You figure it out.
As April rolled around, Stan had resorted to attacking people's
religions.....insisting he came up with the Internet acronym "IMHO".....and
(again most disturbing of all) asking for everyone's ages and then bothering
just the people in their teens. I'm sorry, but that sounds a little creepy
to me. To put it bluntly, his actions mirror that of an Internet sexual
predator (he even made a pass at me, I kid you not!). More than likely Stan
is a card-carrying member of NAMBLA.
Meanwhile he had continued to "challenge" various people to debate him,
calling someone a "chicken" for not going "one-on-one" with him ("chicken,"
huh? he's how old?). Also about this time someone passed along a link to an
article at Time Magazine's digital site. Surprising enough, the article was
about the former Brave Combo mailing list that Stan ruined. The article's
writer used a pseudonym to protect Stan's identity, though. However Stan
swore that the article is not about him, yet he still felt compelled to
argue with it. If it's not him the article is talking about, then why is he
so upset about it?
Still, this kind of double-talk was nothing new. One minute Stan argues that
he doesn't care what Al fans think of him, then the next he argues that it's
Al fans whom he is proving his credibility to.
In mid-April, Stan was convinced that there was a "vast right wing" (his
words) plot to murder him, or so he told me. All right....who wants to say
the words "full blown dementia" with me?
Regardless of the fact that he thinks so much of himself that people would
conspire to kill him a la JFK, why would only "vast right wing" people plot
to kill him? I'm sorry, but it's not like he's that big of a political icon
or anything ("Daddy, where were you when Stan Rosenthal was shot?", "Who's
that? The South Park kid?").
And no, I don't know why he chose to tell me (publicly, mind you) that
there's a plot to murder him. Either he thinks I am part of his "vast right
wing conspiracy" (LOL!) or that I am at least a liaison to it....but I don't
know for sure since he's too much of a coward to be blunt and ask me.
Regardless, in the end nobody tried to kill him. One would assume that men
in their late-forties had better things to do with their time than cry
"wolf" to a bunch of people he's been harassing for almost a year.
Still in April, Stan posted the following message (to someone else, but
aimed at me apparently):
"Talk to Catra. He (thinks he) knows EVERYTHING! ;-)"
I should point out that this is nothing new for him. I kept humiliating him
back during the first time everyone banded together to get rid of him....and
I have made no secret that I have this web page put up. He likes to (try to)
harass me, however he did seem to stop once I called his local police about
him....
Anyway, as to knowing everything....well, there are a lot of things I do not
know. For example, I don't know why a guy in his late-forties is harassing
and trying to pick fights on the Internet with people half his age. Nor do I
know why he thinks he's going to get away with it or why he's trying to
defend his behavior under the unrelated excuse of "censorship." I'm also not
sure as to why anyone is supposed to be offended by his "chicken" comments
(after all, isn't he the one who hides everything he says with "IMHO?"). I
also haven't a clue as to why any of his supposed bandmates, fellow Brave
Combo fans, or his beloved Carl Finch haven't come by to defend
him.....unless of course, nobody is as close to him as he claims them to be.
As for other stuff I do not have the answers for, check out my Burning
Questions.
By May, Stan turned his attentions to another novelty music newsgroup,
rec.music.dementia. His reasons for going after those people is I assume
because it primarily deals with Dr. Demento, so a lot of the same Al fans
from a.m.w-a post there.
In June of 1999, there were two very big announcements! On June 10th, AOL
introduced a killfile feature to filter Stan's messages...but also on that
day, AOL terminated his screen name! A week later, Stan tried to weasel back
under a different AOL screen name "StanSquncr" (isn't that a fruit juice
brand?), and again started harassing other members and spamming the
newsgroup with ads for his own moronic web site.
But once again, everyone kept sending in reports and before we knew it, the
two-time loser was removed from America Online for good...and with
absolutely no chance of him getting back onto AOL.
He tried to use services such as Juno to harass people, but they too didn't
wait long before giving him the axe.
However, Stan had trickled down the Internet food chain and landed somewhere
called remarQ.com under character names "Mr. Stitches" and "Purple Stain."
Most prominently he had been using the moniker "The Messenger," which may or
may not be Stan misunderstanding a sarcastic joke a Pink Floyd fan made
about Stan being an official source of information on the band.
Speaking of Pink Floyd, in October of 1999 Stan (under the e-mail address
tmwkt...@hotmail.com) crossposted some flames intended for posters over
on alt.music.pink-floyd to a.m.w-a, alt.music.pink-floyd, alt.music.yes.,
and rec.music.g-dead. This led to a small flame war over an otherwise
unheard of (to Al fans) person named Denise Sharp. Meanwhile, Stan tried
harassing and flaming members as he used to. But the main difference is this
time, most newsreaders were equipped with killfiles so almost everyone on
the newsgroup could avoid reading his dribble.
No sooner than he started crossposting was Microsoft (who owns the Hotmail
service) made aware of his actions...so they SHUT DOWN his account on
November 1rst! This marks the fifth time Stan either left or was booted off
the Internet because of his behavior on alt.music.weird-al.
At this point, the remarQ service had rightly marked Stan's posts as "junk
posts," meaning that they can be filtered out by newsreaders that block
"Make Money Fast," spam, and porn posts. His posts were only readable from
remarQ.com (even deja.com didn't list his posts!).
Meanwhile in November, Stan had started spamming the newsgroup alt.tv.snl,
which as one might guess is about the show Saturday Night Live. He has most
likely turned his attention to this new group because maybe one or two
posters had originally responded to his messages.
Like he did in the past with his cross-posting to four different music
newsgroups (which ultimately got Stan booted off Hotmail), he is trying to
"link" alt.tv.snl with a.m.w-a by making posts to snl about regulars and/or
old posts at a.m.w-a (remember that episode of The Simpsons in which Homer
submits a restaurant review that contains the words "Screw Flanders" several
times?). Apparently SNL fans don't care about how Stan feels about Weird Al
fans...since there has yet to be any further responses from any poster there
(except for one person who rightly asked "Does anyone understand any of
this?").
On a more humorous albeit personal note, Stan is convinced I'm (in addition
to other folk) roughly nine different people. He presents links to pictures
as "evidence," one from my business' web site and several from a site
belonging to someone who is obviously a different person. Even with the
chemical imbalance and/or mental condition Stan is believed to have, the new
question raised is "Is he just frickin' blind??"
RemarQ finally had enough of "The Messenger" and the reports and complaints
made against him....so in late December of 1999 they decided to kill The
Messenger, more or less telling him "Don't let the door hit you on the way
out."
This was more than expected, since remarQ offers this stance on trolls such
as Stan:
"We will deal with individuals who are bent on newsgroup disruption as best
we can, but a pattern of abuse must be established. Complaints from more
than one regular from the group being affected is helpful to show that the
user has violated 'community standards,' etc."
Undaunted in his task to get barred from every major Internet carrier, Stan
hopped onto Prodigy and used the new nickname "Who's Hot" (whatever that is
supposed to mean). Instead of proving he's more than just a bottomless pit
of spite and confusion, Stan immediately posted bothersome messages intended
for various posters to a.m.w-a. Needless to say, complaints to Prodigy
prompted them to discontinue Stan's service after one day.
Coming full circle, in January of 2000 Stan crept back onto AOL under the
new screen name "StanSequencers" (in his continued attempt to make people
think his entire self-claimed band is at fault for his behavior). He claims
he wrote a letter to Hillary Clinton (because she has so much time on her
hands to help him out), someone he has in the past defamed and mocked in his
message signatures. Exactly how writing letters does anything to help anyone
remains to be seen, since it is more than likely that he skipped mentioning
things like harassing people and spamming links to sex sites. Let's face it,
I can write to someone saying I'm a champion basketball player from South
Central and how I am the victim of a vast political conspiracy orchestrated
by Spike Lee, but that simply doesn't make it so. Most likely any letters he
sent to anyone in power were immediately forwarded to the circular file.
(and it should be noted that he claimed he'd show the letter to anyone who
asked to see it; someone asked, and he clammed up)
Meanwhile, the members of alt.tv.snl were starting to understand the
headache that a.m.w-a had suffered for a while. In responses that seem to
echo the direction a.m.w-a was heading in August of 1998, regular members
have more or less just said "You're not making any sense, you ***hole!" A
few Weird Al fans hopped on to explain Stan to the SNL gang, and offered the
simple advice of killfiling him.
To their credit, the alt.tv.snl members seem to be a little tougher and more
direct in their replies....and frankly it couldn't happen to a nicer person
(one actual response labeled Stan as "a mental midget").
Stan had again created a new account at remarQ.com. It could be he got a
dressing down from AOL and had his "StanSequencers'" Internet access
restricted, since at the same time he also started appearing with a new a
screen name "thepurplestain." The remarQ service quickly handled the
situation of their formerly-booted member.
On a more sad note, Stan had harassed a longtime member into leaving the
group (their name is withheld to protect their identity). A close fan and
friend to Al and the band since 1993, the person simply had enough of the
unwarranted personal attacks coming from Stan (most notably making
out-of-the-blue accusations of them having additional identities).....and
instead of fighting the moron they decided to gallantly say good-bye to the
newsgroup they were a prominent member of.
Stan had thusly turned his attention to two additional long-time members of
the newsgroup (again, their names protected). Each time he had tried to
bombard their respective Internet providers with "complaint" e-mails about
them. He even went a creepier step further and tried to get one of them
fired from their job! The Internet providers Stan was "reporting violations"
to saw through his delusions and in turn each notified Stan's local police
about him. This marks a total of three times there has been police
involvement due to Stan's stalking.
In late February, AOL once again had enough and booted him from their
service....for the third time in only a year (and the eighth time he has had
his online service terminated due to his behavior on alt.music.weird-al).
All along Stan was(/is) under the impression that he had a right to do or
say whatever he wanted to even if that endangered other people. That is
simply not true. As long as he pays for an Internet service, he must abide
by their Terms of Service (and almost all of them have rules against
harassment). AOL, for example, states "USENET is not a right, it is a
privilege." Meaning, all of the cries of censorship in the world will not
help if someone proves to be dangerous (ie, harassment).
Proving that he had not burned bridges at every provider yet, he quickly got
an account with Microsoft's MSN service. Using the e-mail address
"Stanley_...@email.msn.com," it was only a matter of time before
Stan's usual actions were brought to the attention of Microsoft (who also
owns the Hotmail service that booted him off the Internet in November). On
March 2nd, longtime a.m.w-a member David Tanny announced that MSN had
informed him that they gave ol' Stanley the boot.
Right before this new victory, however, it was learned (through an
underground source, their name protected) that Stan had started to troll the
newsgroups alt.music.beck, alt.music.foo-fighters, and occasionally
alt.music.tom-waits.
He even went a step further and posted under someone else's e-mail address!
Using the AOL e-mail address "zand...@aol.com" (which actually belongs to
a teenager in Long Island), Stan posted messages complaining about getting
kicked off AOL for using the word "bullshit." It's just funny that he
doesn't mention stalking people as his real offense, huh? Oh, and he also is
still under the delusion that Weird Al is connected to Brave Combo, and that
they are working together on projects. Uh huh, I like how only he knows
about that.
As expected, Stan hopped onto yet another Internet provider he hasn't made a
jackass of himself on, Earthlink. Among his immediate violations to
Earthlink's Terms of Service include spamming off-topic messages to a.m.w-a,
alt.music.yes, and alt.music.beck (including his old tall tale about
"meeting" Weird Al fans at a Brave Combo concert....whatever).
He has also started to hang out in the following newsgroups (in addition to
the seven or so he's already known to haunt), trolling and spamming them as
well: alt.music.beach-boys, alt.music.todd-rundgren, alt.music.blink-182,
alt.music.fleetwood-mac, alt.music.limp-bizkit, and particularly
alt.music.polkas.
Earthlink had been notified and started looking into the matter of booting
him (boy this is getting too familiar!). Stan has feigned indifference and
promises he'll just find another Internet provider...of course, he is
running out of all of the major ones.
In addition to Stan's spamming of the aforementioned (and
yet-to-be-mentioned) newsgroups, starting in January he had been giving a
new fanbase some grief. Going to the web site of the group Vertical Horizon
and posting on their "Unchosen Ones" fan message board, VH fans have started
to feel the same headache that a.m.w-a and several other groups have felt in
the past.
Mirroring his "routine," Stan's posts started off as normal "Hey, I'm a new
fan, hi guys" kind of posts. But by February of 2000, he had started
attacking members and just introduced his own delusional sense of reality.
One anonymous member going by the name "Former Stan-Basher" elaborates in a
March 14th post. (the messages below that one are other examples of members'
irritation toward him)
The board's fans quickly grew tired of him and, as happened on
alt.music.weird-al in August of '98, have started to attack him and simply
say "Welcome to reality, nutbar!"
The fans' reaction was very much like what has previously been said to Stan
on alt.tv.snl...and alt.music.weird-al.....and the Brave Combo mailing list.
One would think someone so right (as Stan thinks he is) wouldn't come across
so much opposition. It must be a conspiracy! ::rolling up eyes::
His ramblings on this new board are nothing new to Al fans. He makes bizarre
asides about people falling into some kind of trap he has set by not
answering him (so he's saying he's right no matter what)...and about
"pulling a number" on members. Just pure non-sequiturs, of course sprinkled
with his catalog of quotes that have no meaning or relevance to anything
he's talking about.
Also it seems he gets off on trying to come up with new acronyms and
nicknames for bands. Remember how he kept referring to Brave Combo as "The
Combo," something probably nobody else has knowingly referred them as. He
had also done something similar when referring to the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Now Vertical Horizon has already been shortened by its fans as "VH." How
else could Stan pervert that and try to make it his own? "The Horizon?"
Close. "vh," and he insists upon the lower case, as if he knows for sure. He
seems to get his jollies thinking he's making some grand creative
contribution or decision when it comes to the long-thought-upon task of band
nicknaming!
Meanwhile, he was still posting nonsense to a.m.w-a, and Earthlink started
investigating him. With the exception of maybe one or two brave souls who
have responded to him, almost every member of alt.music.weird-al has either
ignored his messages or have added him to their killfiles...and newbies are
made aware of him almost as soon as they introduce themselves.
In late August of 2000, Stan made his fourth attempt to attack
alt.music.weird-al through AOL. This time under the name "StansSequencers"
(he's running out of variations he can make his "band" name into). In
addition to harassing a few regular, longtime members (moreso out of
jealousy and spite than malice), he continued to crosspost off-topic,
political messages to a random array of newsgroups, each time insisting that
people wanting to respond should crosspost their replies to a.m.w-a.
Fortunately though, almost every newsgroup he has tried to crosspost
messages to have greeted him with the same message: "Go away, you psycho."
And fortunately for us Weird Al fans, it seems that nobody is believing that
he is any authority or representative of the Al newsgroups.
He also started harassing the members of AOL's own Weird Al message board,
acting in no new way to anyone who has seen him on a.m.w-a.
In mid-September of 2000, Stan had been sending out e-mails to Weird Al fans
stating that his 60-day free trial on AOL was up and that his
"StansSequencers" screen name will be no more. It wasn't true, as his screen
name was still coming up as active on AOL. Perhaps AOL was warning him that
he was not going to be welcomed to stay past his sixty days.
On a side-note the Vertical Horizon website had temporarily shut down its
"Unchosen Ones" message board, promising a revamped board with more security
and registered user prompts. Seems it's yet another case of "Stan, go home.
You aren't welcome here." It reopened about half a year later and now
records the ISP's of posters as a precautionary measure.
In October, Stan had started posting onto a.m.w-a through two new services.
Still posting under his AOL e-mail address, Stan had been posting most of
his messages through Supernews, owned by the same company as remarQ.
Meanwhile, his messages sent "from" his Earthlink address (which, by now,
was no longer active) were in fact being posted through Singnet, a web space
provider out of Singapore (apparently every domestic provider knows about
him by now).
Of course with a Presidential election coming, his posts had started to
overflow with even more perverse ramblings about his homo-repressed love for
politics and 1970's rock and roll. At one point, he even made a claim that
his opinion is as important and serious as the Doobie Brothers. Is that
egotism or a delusion that he thinks the Doobie Brothers are an important
milestone in our culture? Then again, this is the guy that thinks
groundbreaking humor began and ended with Saturday Night Live's fifth season
in 1979 (and that the group They Might Be Giants only secretly wants people
to drop words from their band name, but I digress).
A rumor started to circulate in the newsgroup that Stan is a former child
molester, as indicated by a post made several times by a member. Whether or
not this is true is unknown, but with Stan's current track record it
wouldn't be surprising in the least.
Meanwhile, Stan made a post onto a.m.w-a that Supernews has cancelled his
account! Whining about censorship, the real reason was he crossposted
several off-topic messages to a variety of newsgroups (as he has done so in
the past). A report e-mail address for Supernews was added here only a day
before, so it's a toss-up whether or not enough people reported him or
Supernews was keeping an eye on what he was doing. Still, it marks the tenth
time Stan lost an Internet/newsgroup provider because of his behavor on
alt.music.weird-al.
In mid-November, Stan started posting through a new service called
Newsfeeds...using one of his AOL screen names as his address,
"StansSe...@aol.com." Near Thanksgiving though, Stan was once again
booted off AOL (making it the FOURTH time he lost his AOL service due to his
a.m.w-a behavior)....much to the glee of the members on AOL's Weird Al
message board. Losing his AOL addresses made his access through Newsfeeds
obsolete.
However, Stan hopped onto yet another free Internet service, StartFree,
using the e-mail address "Stans...@startfree.com." He also started using
a new service called MailandNews, posting messages from that account through
Supernews. After a few posts, MailandNews blocked his first account for
terms of service violations. Stan then started using a second e-mail address
there, but MailandNews not only cancelled Stan's account but also got in
contact with his ISP to prevent him coming back to the service under a new
name. Still using StartFree, Stan hopped onto Prodigy once again, but was
bumped from their service after one day of use.
Stan was also using Netcom's UK division but still posting under StartFree.
He soon followed by posting through Prontomail under aliases such as "PurPle
STAiN."
In January 2001, Stan had crossposted a thread to a.m.w-a from several other
completely unrelated newsgroups, bringing members of that thread into the
newsgroup and talking about death threats, Hillary Clinton, and other
nonsense.
Stan was still posting through both Prontomail and StartFree, but was also
heavily using Netzero (kind of symbolic to the depths he has to sink to keep
posting, huh?) through Netcom.
Stan tried posting messages through the news.cis.dfn.de website soon after
it was mentioned on the newsgroup and this page. The company soon booted
Stan from their service after a few complaints were sent in. And to think
he's the one always talking about setting traps for people!
Meanwhile Stan said in a newsgroup (that is, in one of the posts in which he
doesn't misquote Al Franken...did he even read the book he is attributing??)
that his Internet providers have limited his access to newsgroups to only
a.m.w-a and rec.music.country-western. It was unknown if he's telling the
truth or not. After all, this is a guy who has said that he has been married
to Al (note: Al was married in February, and for a couple of weeks before
Stan was obsessively demanding to see a scanned picture of his fiancee). It
was also rumored that he was planning to somehow sabotage the fan campaign
listed elsewhere on this web site to get Al's movie UHF released onto DVD.
And we're to believe he's an Al fan? LOL!
Regardless of the free service he was using, Stan kept posting under the
e-mail address "sigo...@netzero.net" in all his posts. One of the ISP's,
Usenet.com, immediately started investigating him after a few complaints.
While it was believed that Airnews (where he was posting under a StartFree
address) had finally booted him from their service, Stan had started posting
through AT&T, the only major domestic ISP he has yet to disgrace himself on.
AT&T soon looked into the matter as well.
AT&T (Worldnet) said in late-February that they have cancelled Stan's
Internet access due to his cross-posting/spamming and use of a certain
"F"-word. Since the Worldnet announcement, Stan has fallen back on using
Netcom/Netzero. It does now also look that Airnews, StartFree, Prontomail,
and Usenet.com have indeed prevented him from posting through their services
as well. Meanwhile, Stan had started whining about how the fans are not
really upset with him, but with an "invention" of him concocted by rumors
and lies. Just remember folks, he invented it the minute he started
harassing the newsgroup members, and just like Dr. Frankenstein and his
monster he is realizing that his "invention" has become his own problem.
In late March Stan had returned to Prodigy, who in December 1999 cancelled
his account after only one day of abuse.
In April it was learned that Stan had become a little obsessed with another
poster on the newsgroup, Goldmine writer Chuck Miller. Chuck had written a
fantastic cover story on Al for the magazine in April of 2000 and had since
become a regular member of a.m.w-a. In fact, Chuck had tried to offer a
voice of reason to Stan on a few occasions, but received the same goofy
responses Stan gives when anyone tries to explain the truth to him.
Anyway, Stan had started bothering another member on his other crossposting
hangout rec.music.country-western, another Goldmine writer named Tim Neely.
Stan had started asking Tim about Chuck's Al article, saying non-sequiturs
about doing a number on Elvis (as if someone outside of the Internet fan
community would know what on earth that means). Stan then started posting
messages to Chuck, asking him if he knew Tim. Very bizarre stuff. Was Stan
hoping to get some rift started between the two writers? Was he trying to
get responses so he could finish posts with "Stan Rosenthal, Goldmine
contributor?" Was he hoping that talking to writers of the magazine would in
his mind vindicate his syncs and mental connections?
And it should be noted that Stan's obsession with newsgroup member "Elvis"
and the little bit about him in Chuck's Goldmine article stems from Stan's
habit of "cut and pasting" words to fit ill-conceived and often petty
insults. In this case, he pieced apart text excerpts from Chuck's article,
completely taking them out of context and adding meaning to words and
phrases that were not there to begin with. Needless to say, the article's
author took offense to Stan's butchering of his work. Stan pretty much
denied it, using his tired and unclear excuse "Straw man argument" when
challenged about harassment (Stan uses "Straw man argument" when he believes
that someone is making an out-of-left-field, unrelated attack on him....even
though the fact that he did the same thing to instigate this new problem
doesn't seem to dawn on him). Stan has since made immature statements that
Al has publicly insulted "Elvis" on various occasions, when nothing could be
further from the truth. In fact, very recently a very kind soul stood up for
Elvis.
But meanwhile, a Weird Al fan had asked if there was any attempt to get Stan
institutionalized. Theoretically it could be done, since Stan acknowledges
that the real posters on the newsgroup are his "close, personal friends." If
someone was devious enough, they might be able to use that to show a
relation to him to hospital administrators. I'm not saying there are any
plans to do that, but it can be used as a lesson to be careful how you
present yourself to strangers and not to force bonds with them if they don't
want you.
On June 15th, Prodigy informed newsgroup members that their complaints have
been heard and Stan was removed from their service. As expected, though, he
hopped onto a posting service called ev1.net, which is somehow linked to
NBCi (more than likely this gave him the delusion that his messages are
approved by the same folks that own Saturday Night Live).
He also started trolling the Backstreet Boys newsgroup, singling out members
whom he suspects are Weird Al fans using aliases (yawn...been there, done
that).
Throughout July, Stan had gotten into a pretty funny crossposted thread in
which trolls from other newsgroups started picking on him, saying things
like "Just fess up and admit you're one of us!" The poor hick was completely
tongue-tied, saying nothing more than stupid song quotes that were
immediately mocked. It appears he may have learned his lesson on which
threads he spams into a.m.w-a.
In mid-August, it seemed that ev1.net finally dropped him from their
service, so he created a "new" account on Google. Still using his
"sigo...@netzero.net" e-mail address, Stan started referring to himself as
"Never Falls" ("Never?" Read the score!).
Stan also landed once again at MSN, who had booted him once before. He
quickly lost that account. He either posted through or masked his posts with
a service called Newzpig (while still using his Netzero address). He stopped
posting through them after they received a few complaints.
After Stan challenged another member on another newsgroup to track down his
ISP, they did and it turned out to be at Ev1.net once again. A quick letter
prompted them to boot him again. He soon after got an account through
K-Mart's Bluelight.com (that's really scraping the bottom of the barrel).
In late October, not only did Stan announce that he lost his Newzpig account
(you can tell when he's licked because he'll start whining and moaning like
a little baby to some invisible representative at the previous Internet
provider), but in a little over than a week's time did he lose five Hotmail
accounts all in a row! (not to mention being banned from a new Weird Al
message board even before he had a chance to post)
Ev1.net also booted him again, and both Freeservers and Tripod removed his
web pages from their sites.
But perhaps the most bizarre occurrence happened in mid-November, when an
actual owner of an ISP got involved. Ken Rozinsky, operator of the Newzpig
service, was contacted by a newsgroup member looking for assistance in the
whole mess. Reportedly, Mr. Rozinsky echoed that he would love to see Stan
off his service, and was looking into the matter. He then went a step
further and discussed the situation openly on a.m.w-a. Although he wasn't
exactly aware of the real problem with Stan (harassing members, spamming
inappropriate material in forums kids frequent, etc.), at least he saw
enough of a problem to put a block on Stan. Stan tried firing back with
insults and threats (not exactly the way to appeal a decision like that).
Mr. Rozinsky then threw Stan's tired old
I-think-this-will-really-irk-you-jab "Close, Personal Friend" back into his
face by offering him a special "Close, Personal Friend" billing fee of a
thousand bucks a month.
Stan even recreated his "stanwill...@hotmail.com" account to make a
pathetic plea to Mr. Rozinsky to reinstate his account to harass the N'SYNC
newsgroup (he claims Newzpig won't accept his posts from Bluelight...boo
hoo). Hotmail promptly cancelled the account.
He was last seen using his netzero name again, this time posting through a
service called Teranews. He claims he was already booted once but said that
he will continue to post there...and he supposedly tried to blame Mr.
Rozinsky for that. Whatever. He's like someone's drunk father who always
blames everyone else for his problems.
In mid-December, Netzero finally terminated Stan's "sigother" account. Stan
quickly created a new account on there as "midi...@netzero.net" (is that
supposed to sound like "magician" or "medicine"?).
In the span of two weeks, a lot of crazy stuff happened. First off, Teranews
had been keeping an eye on him after numerous complaints, and has even gone
as far as blocking any posts he makes containing his web address. Stan
claims that he had written to them to protest it, but so far there has been
no change. Way to go Tera!
Stan next tried to start a new account on Newzpig (remember them?). Newzpig
administrator Ken Rozinsky announced on a.m.w-a that Stan can expect to be
billed $1000 as warned. I doubt a CDR copy of Brave Combo's Greatest Hits
will get that much on eBay!
Meanwhile, Netzero is investigating Stan's "midi...@netzero.net," as they
believe it may be a forged account (Stan doesn't seem to think so, using
that as his e-mail address when trying to sneak back onto Whizzi's World of
Weird Al forums).
Most recently, Stan popped up on another K-Mart-owned (LOL) Bluelight
account as "Never...@mybluelight.com" and is posting again through Google.
At the moment, it does not appear that Teranews or Netzero have completely
blocked him from their services, so those two abuse addresses will be
included as well.
Stan's posts from Teranews seem to have stopped, but the address will be up
until it's confirmed that the account is closed. Ditto for Newzpig posts,
although here's hoping he keeps posting from them and is charged the
thousand he owes.
In the meantime, Stan has tried to supposedly forge an e-mail address at
Hotmail to which they are investigating. He had since split his posts as
coming from either Newsfeeds or a service called Randori, but still using
his Netzero address at all times. Randori has announced that he has been
blocked for cross-posting and trolling, only a day and change after he first
started using them. Binaries.net has also shut down a new account he created
there.
Now, Stan is using a service called Newsranger, but again posting under his
Netzero e-mail.
Speaking of which, Netzero has confirmed that the "midi...@netzero.net"
account was indeed terminated. Stan is still using it as his "handle"
address, so killfiles shouldn't be altered. One of his posting hosts was
kind enough to reveal his real e-mail address, and that provider is already
investigating into the matter.
Newsranger quickly punted Stanny-boy, which apparently made his phony
"midician" address obsolete since most newsreaders and posting hosts need a
valid address to ping for registration. Might as well keep the old Netzero
address in your killfiles, or do like some and just block the whole
netzero.net domain if you have that function.
It should also be funny to see how long his Bluelight address remains, since
more than likely that service will be one of K-Mart's first casualties as
they try to salvage their faltering company. Nevertheless, he's still using
that address while posting through Google, so that info will stay up.
He also started posting through a service called Newsguy using a new Netzero
e-mail address "never...@netzero.net" (the temptation to do a "jerking"
hand motion is strong). Newsguy has already sent him a warning, and Netzero
is already investigating, so this page will most likely be updated soon.
Apparently the warning was enough to scare Stan away from Newsguy, as he
started posting through a service called Meganetnews. Now, this is a free
service that prides itself on letting its members post to newsgroups freely
without censure or monitoring.....and even they booted Stan! How funny is
that!
In the following week, Stan's posts were split as coming from Binaries.net
and Newsfeeds...which is odd since they are the same company. In both cases,
Stan had started using a new phony e-mail address for himself,
"st...@neverfalls.com" (with variations on capitalization).
But perhaps the most embarrassing attempts came soon after, with Stan trying
out various accounts with "remailer" services. You know the kind, the
services that offer mask e-mail addresses like "nob...@nowhere.com.org,"
etc. He had gone through at least four in a row, each time maybe posting one
message each. Needless to say, if he had any credibility on Usenet before,
it pretty much has been flushed down the drain. Some have already compared
this new turn of events to other trolls such as Zorak and The Boinger...is
this how Stan wants to be seen? And isn't Stan the one who usually asks for
personal information or tries to challenge people by calling them "chicken?"
Well, look who's hiding now.
Currently, he seems to be settled on a service called WebUseNet, using his
"neverfalls" (so, does that mean he's a Weeble?) fake e-mail address.
Between making up a phony e-mail address and using second-rate remailers
usually reserved for spamming porn links, this is probably the lowest Stan
has sunk. It leads to the question, are there any doubts now that he is
anything more than just a troll?
During the early months of 2002, nothing very new happened. Stan held onto
his WebUseNet account, and continued to crosspost bizarre and inappropriate
threads from other groups into a.m.w-a...and invited those groups' trolls to
start posting there, too. Ho hum, nothing some slight filter adjusting can't
fix.
At one point, he had given himself a promotion from the newsgroup's "rabbi"
to "ruler." I'm not sure how accurate this is. He may very well be twelve
inches tall, but I personally have never used him as a straight edge.
In late April, soon after everyone was coming home from the Chicago-area
ALCON III, Stan had responded to some of the recaps of the event. In one
post, however, he had actually admitted his inexplicable hatred for and
intent to harass the one newsgroup member whom he had first started to
bother when he first showed up. And apparently he doesn't seem to know much
about '60s rock, unless "Paul and Simon" is some local group they listen to
down in Texas.
In late May, for reasons unknown he stopped posting from the WebUseNet
server (whether or not this is permanent remains to be seen). He had a brief
stint on Teranews again, but then jumped ship to Hotmail, who booted him
within a day.
Currently, he's posting through Airnews again, but still using his dumb
"neverfalls" domain "address." So, killfiles shouldn't need to be altered.
Hey, it's been eighteen months...how about an update on the cancer known as
Stan Rosenthal? Who, you ask? Oh, you remember, that loser from Texas who
harasses people on alt.music.weird-al and tries to pass himself off as a
liberal when his actions and behavior indicate nothing of the sort. Yes,
that's right, that nutjob you had killfiled long ago. Well, since he's still
there, so is this page. I'd personally like to get rid of this page once and
for all, but alas, it's all up to him and his decision to leave. Period.
When we last left off, Stan had continued to sneak onto amw-a through a
variety of "remailer" addresses such as "couldbea...@any.server," all
the while cross-posting messages to other newsgroups and inviting other
trolls to post on amw-a.
In June, 2002, he directed his cross-posted attacks at occasional target
Amanda Cohen, producer of the Chicago-area ALCON events, by leeching onto a
post about the Boston song "Amanda." ALCON III had taken place just two
months before, and Stan's online behavior in the past had caused him to be
permanently banned from the events (despite threats that he would "crash").
It seemed very much like a case of "It's your party, so I'll cry if I want
to." Nothing new, but still harassment nevertheless.
In September, Rainbow (see below) received an e-mail from a woman who had
quite a story to tell. During one of Stan's brief disappearances in 2000, he
joined the same Freegroup as this woman (one note: my math on the year may
be a bit wrong, as the info relayed to me didn't pinpoint an exact year). In
a situation that seemed all too familiar to regulars on amw-a, Stan's
initial posts on this Freegroup were pleasant if a bit abrasive. Then one
day, he snapped, attacking the entire group and particularly the
woman...making bizarre accusations about members' genders and identities
(claiming her to be a man named Timothy Mays, for example), writing to the
members in the guise of his own parents and making horrifyingly negative
comments about him, and essentially driving the group to disband and resort
to privately e-mailing each other. The woman who wrote to Rainbow went a
step further and, in fear of being tracked down by Stan, changed her name,
address, and even computer!
Please just take a minute to reread that last paragraph.
That month, so soon after what was possibly the most disturbing revelation
in this whole mess, it was revealed that Stan was using the e-mail address
"netf...@netzero.net" to solicit Paypal donations from amw-a,
alt.fan.backstreet.boys, and others for dental surgery. Later that month,
Stan used his "never...@mybluelight.com" address to (as he claimed he was
doing) write to the employer of the newsgroup member that he had first
joined the group to harass all those years ago. In what can be called the
first real sign of self-induced dementia and paranoia in Stan's psychosis
(in case the other dozens of examples weren't clear enough), Stan accused
that it was in fact the other member who had been harassing both Stan and
music groups under a variety of "aliases" and in a variety of forums and
newsgroups. Such an action would have been shocking if it wasn't so
predictable. We're only talking about a paranoid, delusional, narcissistic,
projecting schizophrenic with an obvious parental complex here. So,
surprising? No. Troubling? As always.
Toward the end of the year he once again took advantage of one of AOL's free
trial offers, this time using the name "stanneverfalls" (once again, never?
Check the score!). Sure enough, the name was gone in July, 2003, and Stan
claims people tried to boot him off. Well, if he wants to believe that, all
right by me. Let's add another point up there then.
In August, 2003, Stan went back to his old fictitious stomping grounds and
continued to use his fake "neverfalls.com" domain (I guess the Sequencers
disbanded or left him or never existed or something). But of course, since
that "domain" has been the killfile that this page and Rainbow's have
advised you, gentle readers, to use for quite some time, you should have
nothing to worry about.
On the technical side, the troll and his make-believe "neverfalls" domain
have aligned themselves with the Altopia Corporation, which is one of those
Usenet wannabes and attracts the scum of the Internet by claiming to be
censor-free ("Hey, if one of our members wants to talk about child porn, we
are in no position to stop them," their web site seems to convey). But
still, they do have strict rules about needless cross-posting, something
Stan does do quite excessively. So, take a wild guess what has been added
down in the abuse address section.
And, that's where we are now.
At some point in the past year, someone had written to me asking why do I
even bother keeping this page up. What would be the point after all this
time, the e-mail asked (or rather, the person writing it asked).
To a point, the person may be right. Stan has been harassing a very small
group of people for the past five years because...why? Well, who knows.
Frankly, who cares? Knowing what makes him tick most likely would not end
it. But the fact of the matter is that he is there, he is still harassing
these people, my friends and fellow fans. I don't pretend to know exactly
what went down in the Brave Combo list (although truth be told, it doesn't
seem as if the hostility was a one-way street there). I only know for sure
what happens on alt.music.weird-al, and unless I am some superhacker who is
being grossly underpaid, Google can easily back up everything said here in
regards to amw-a. Knowledge is our power, and in the face of the bullies of
the world (the Stans, the Bushes, etc.), it is at times our only ally.
I don't pretend to be making friends with this web page. In fact, in this
whole mess, Stan seems to be the only person pretending. I don't believe he
is just a misunderstood genius any more than I believe that he is a liberal.
He knows the headache he causes many people, and he has had several chances
to slink away with his reputation intact. But alas, he decided it would be
more fun, or mischievous, or masturbatory, or whatever to keep coming back
with a new "theory" or a new "story."
And again, it just leads to the question of why? He knows anyone on that
newsgroup with half a brain has killfiled him already. He knows there is
already a moderated, fully functioning Weird Al forum online that acts as
more of an official hub than amw-a ever could, and many regulars migrated
over there and have never looked back. He knows by now that his name has
become a punchline. For someone who has been alive for five decades, one
would think he would take the hint and live the rest of his meaningless life
offline or at least away from online social circles.
Most Al fans have done their cathartic bit of mocking Stan and throwing his
own cache of catchphrases back at him, but in all seriousness he is a very
disturbed person. He has proven to be dangerous to others and who knows how
long he has gone undiagnosed with mental diseases. A sad existence, sure,
and he may very well think that people are out to "get" him, but in any case
he's obviously well enough to know that he is involved in a situation that
leads to trouble for him. Even if he was a victim as he claims to be,
wouldn't a rational person in that same "position" simply leave and never
look back?
He is aware of what he's doing, the fear that he's causing people, and he is
obviously getting off on it. It's a sick way for a person to live, and
unfortunately it's exposed to innocent people who don't deserve it.
And that's why this page is still up.
I personally want to be done with this page, as I'm sure some people are
sick of reading this, but we can't always get what we want. This page will
stay up and continue to be updated as long as Stan is on amw-a. I don't
think that point was ever in question. It's all up to one person.
To everyone else, talk to you soon!
Peace.
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So now, what can Al fans do about this whole mess?
Well, if you enter the e-mail address "St...@NeverFalls.com" into your
newsreader's killfile, you won't have to deal with him (or adding the word
"Stan" into your subject or message filters). If you want to forward Stan's
posts to Airnews, you can use the e-mail links below.
By now, most newsreaders offer killfile filters, even Google! Pretty much
adding "stan" or the non-word "neverfalls" to the exclusion filter will do
the trick.
It's just sad that he cannot take the hint that he has harassed people so
much to the point of those same people getting him booted off the Internet
over FORTY times for his behavior.
And it should be noted that after three whole years since he first came onto
alt.music.weird-al to harass one of its members, nobody has been scared away
permanently. Why doesn't he just give up at this point? He can't win.
The best course of action is what many have tried to do ever since this
whole mess first started....ignore Stan. I know that it seems at times like
the more you cover your ears the louder the noise gets, but read this quote
from one of Stan's heroes, Brave Combo's trumpet player Danny O'Brien, who
had this advice to give to alt.music.weird-al.....
"...about Stan representing your newsgroup. I personally take everything he
says with a grain of salt (and two aspirin). You may post this to your news
group if you wish to assure your members. But I don't think that it will
help with the bigger problem. It is my experience that stating fact only
adds fuel to the fire."
Doesn't sound like the band is as "buddy-buddy" with Stan as he would have
one believe on any given post. (the group even denounced his "official" web
site by revamping their own with the same info Stan had presented in his
usual twisted and picked-apart fashion)
However, if you feel threatened in any way by what Stan is doing (stalking
and harassing people), contact your local police....you won't be the first
one to do so. Stalking IS against the law, despite what ol' Crazy Boy says.
Also if you'd like, you can call the Bellaire, Texas Police Department.
We've beat him before, "Gang!" And we can definitely do it again!
Below you'll find links to related web pages and addresses and numbers to
contact.
Remember to include all message headers (especially IP number) when you
report him to an ISP
Bellaire, Texas Police Department
1-713-662-8102
(*ask for Lt. Mike Leal*)
Stan Fact Sheet
The Truth About Stan
"If he can't out-argue them he bullies them, and then takes their silence
for agreement with his views."
-Bram Stoker
This page was last updated November 4, 2003. We did it before, "Gang"....and
we did it again.....AND WE DID IT YET AGAIN AND AGAIN! And remember, don't
start anything you're not prepared to finish!
No part of this page may be reproduced in any way without the written
permission of the author. Failure to adhere this notice may result in
copyright action taken. This web page is up for the benefit, education, and
safety of the members of alt.music.weird-al and other newsgroups/forums. All
Things Yankovic assumes no responsibility for any action taken against the
subject troll.
""MIDIcian" (tm)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message
news:c9jpap$fde$0...@pita.alt.net...
"MIDIcian" (tm)
server for at least a year now, and I don't plan on changing (or adding
services (except, perhaps, for backup purposes (which I haven't found a need
for using alt.net as my primary ng server))) servers in the near future. If
I was on other servers previously, well, lets just say that folk were trying
to chase me off the net and they found that to be an impossibility.
Stan,
www.thesequencers.us
nl: Randi Rhodes on - www.airamericaradio.com
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"Riain Barton" <ri...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:11evc.917$Cz2...@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
"MIDIcian" (tm)
extraordinaire.)
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Michael O'Neill
>
> Really?? Check the stats to see how many posts I have posted to
> soc.culture.irish
We know. We've checked. Every day. I think its becoming an obsession.
> Be sure to separate threads I started
> from replies and cross-postings that I
> did not begin.
Oh absolutely.
ike picking a scab that's itching but not quite ready to come off.
<snip>
M.
Michael O'Neill
> I hope you know that if we all
> pretended that Riain Y. Barton
> did not exist,
> and stopped wasting time responding
> to posts and only used "block sender",
> that he would eventually be left
> to live with himself.
<snip>
Yes, you're perfectly right in a limited kind of way, but as another poster has pointed out in a
slightly more roundabout way, we practice "care in the community" in Ireland.
After all, look at all the TROLLs, mouths, IRA Sympathizers, chest-thumping Americans, tourist too
lay to use Google, alcoholics, drug addicts and general n'er-do-wells who infest this group
NORMALLY, fer feck's sake.
<and that's just the "sons of politicians" listing>
Where would we be without this rich diversity of culture to draw upon?
Ostracision solves nothing. Its the British social torture. Sending someone to Coventry. Not the
Irish way, unless you're middle class and choosy about who you invite to coffee mornings.
It becomes its own reward too. You end up drowning in the stink of your own reflections.
You become like the myopic old brigadier in the cartoon, revelling in hazy memories of bygone days,
sitting in an empty section of his club surrounded by mirrors saying: "look, when I drink, everybody
drinks!"
After all, if you come on Usenet to feel "comfortable" instead of to mix with others, to debate with
them and perhaps test and challenge both your beliefs and their, you're missing part of the plot
[sic].
FWIW
M.
Michael O'Neill
> Dud, the only server I currently
> post from is alt.net. I've been on this
> server for at least a year now, and
> I don't plan on changing (or adding
> services (except, perhaps, for backup
> purposes (which I haven't found a need
> for using alt.net as my primary ng server)))
> servers in the near future. If
> I was on other servers previously, well,
> lets just say that folk were trying
> to chase me off the net and they found
> that to be an impossibility.
> Stan,
<snip>
Yep. all the "professional" TROLLs end up on altopia.
Is Chris Caputo still running the show there?
M.
Michael O'Neill
> You obviously pretend not to get
> "the point" (Jon "Genius" Schwartz, drummer
> extraordinaire.)
<snip>
He is the point Stan.
With Riain around, we don't need the guard dog anymore, who gets to chase sticks.
Regards to Mr. Caputo. I suspect you'll be seeing him before I will.
M.
Riain Barton
"Noel" <no.t...@I.dont.want.your.spam> wrote in message
news:gn8rb09mbo3c9nmee...@4ax.com...
| >NO GO PLAY WITH YOUR PARTNER THE FAMILY GOAT!
|
Do not assume that everyone else shares your peculiar sexual fetishes.
Twinslo
> You obviously pretend not to get "the point" (Jon "Genius" Schwartz, drummer
> extraordinaire.)
> +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +-
>
Nonsense. Pure, unadulterated nonsense. And a straw man argument to boot!
"MIDIcian" (tm)
news:40BD934F...@indigo.ie...
> Regards to Mr. Caputo. I suspect you'll be seeing him before I will.
Who's that, the owner of alt.net???? I've never seen him before.
Stan,
www.thesequencers.us
tonight on Rockline - CHICAGO!!!!
"MIDIcian" (tm)
> Yep. all the "professional" TROLLs end up on altopia.
Your posts do get out on their server, it's Y I'm able to respond to your
rediculous post.
Stan,
www.thesequencers.us
nl: The O'Franken Factor
in 10 minutes - CHICAGO on Rockline!!!!
westprog
"JHVH" <ding...@assholecalling.com> wrote in message
news:I83vc.12759$LS6....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
It might also be a good idea to block anything with his name in the thread
title.
If Falcon is looking for an example of why it is a good thing to use
anonymous remailers, this is a classic example.
J/
SOTW: "Shake Some Action" - The Flaming Groovies
Michael O'Neill
>
> "Michael O'Neill" <o...@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:40BD9184...@indigo.ie...
> > Yep. all the "professional" TROLLs end up on altopia.
>
> Your posts do get out on their server, it's Y I'm able to respond to your
> rediculous post.
Any time you want to finish your words and spell them correctly, feel free Stan... then I might
understand what you just posted.
M.
"MIDIcian" (tm)
net. The truth, however, is the HIGHEST form of flame on the net. ;-) It
will set you free.
Stan,
www.thesequencers.us
'The Uplift Mofo Party Plan' - Red Hot Chili Peppers
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'Freedom' - Richie Havens
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"Michael O'Neill" <o...@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:40C0CA51...@indigo.ie...
"MIDIcian" (tm)
:-)
Stan,
www.thesequencers.us
nl: The O'Franken Factor, real Liberal media - www.airamericaradio.com
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message
news:c9rk2e$11j$0...@pita.alt.net...
"MIDIcian" (tm)
I don't recall ever posting under that address.
Stan
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message news:...
> Dud, the only server I currently post from is alt.net. I've been on this
> server for at least a year now, and I don't plan on changing (or adding
> services (except, perhaps, for backup purposes (which I haven't found a
need
> for using alt.net as my primary ng server))) servers in the near future.
If
> I was on other servers previously, well, lets just say that folk were
trying
> to chase me off the net and they found that to be an impossibility.
>
>
> Stan,
> www.thesequencers.us
> nl: Randi Rhodes on - www.airamericaradio.com
> +- +- +- +-
> "Riain Barton" <ri...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message
> > news:c9jpap$fde$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > | "Riain Barton" <ri...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > | news:U9dvc.12798$Ba....@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> > | > Really?? Check the stats to see how many posts I have posted to
> > | > soc.culture.irish
> > |