Re: Good weekend... But not for England!
J
May I ask one question, do you live in England?
J
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> *England lost to France!
>
> I Paid $20 to watch the England match on PPV... I had my doubts
> about doing it, but the hype of the Brits over the past few weeks had
> me so annoyed about them speculating not IF they'd win the whole
> thing, but by how much... I was thinking to myself, as I paid, I
> just hope I didn't just pay to watch France be trashed by England,
> because I'll never hear the effin end of it if England win...
>
> On comes the National Anthem... the British one first... The crowd
> sing... The French one follows... drowned out by whistleing and boos
> from the "fair play" Brits... Towards the end, I could hear the French
> fans singing it out and managing to be heard... Not long on, and I
> hear "Rule Britania" and now I'm annoyed... England take the lead...
> The commentators are nearly having orgasms about it! I'm sick as a
> very sick parrot... France are all over England, but can't finish
> it in the last third... The commentator is saying "those 3 little
> words we've all been waiting to hear: England lead France!"... Half
> time...
>
> The Second half, England are driven back into their own third of the
> field, looking tired and dazed, they seem to have forgotten to play
> their own game and let the French dictate possession and pace... It
> was only a matter of time I thougt to myself... Then England get a
> penalty! My heart sinks... It looks like it's over, it looks like I'm
> going to be hearing about this "famous English victory" for years...
> Even the commentators are having a go at the French and their
> manager... "1-0 1-0" the croud chant... "Rule Britannia" is heard
> again... Up steps Beckem... And as if guided by the hand of God
> himself, the keeper saves it! "MAGIC!" I shout as I jump up and down
> with joy! France still has a chance... 10 mins to go and I'm hoping
> All the pressure France is putting on can force a draw - as it's the
> least they deserve... 91 France draws equal! - Strange, I can't hear
> "Rule Britania" being sang now... quiet shock has replaced it... 93
> Mins... Penalty! France lead 2-1 in what is almost the last kick of
> the game!
>
> That commentator who was uttering those "three little words" had 3 new
> little words to utter now: "France BEAT England!" But funnily enough
> he didn't manage to say it...
>
> Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the Old
> Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to support
> ABE... Anyone but England...
>
> Ray
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Jaden
The worst bit is when people reply wihout snipping, so that I have to read
the drivel I have kill-filled.
Snip please folks, pretty please.
Whitewolf
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:41:06 +0100, "J" <j...@nospamthanks.com> wrote:
>Very amusing Ray...
>
>May I ask one question, do you live in England?
>
>J
No J, I live in California... BTW, just so you know, I have nothing
whatsoever against English people, It's the bloody English soccer team
that has always got my goat... And the commentators comments. I
might add that Lamps goal was brilliant... I was torn, my favourite
Chelsea player scoring a goal in this match (I've been a Chelsea fan
since before time)... If the hype was lessened, and the commentators
weren't so OTT all the time, I might have felt different... But when
the fans booed the French Anthem.. Which I hope you'll agree was a
disgrace - no matter how much you may dislike the French people or
government...
Listening to Radio 5 Live after the match I was impressed by how well
some of the fans were taking it... But I had to laugh when a email
from a Scottish fan said that he "was so happy that he could hardly
type" and the host asking Scots who didn't feel that way to write
in...
And before anyone points it out, yes, I know Ireland didn't even
qualify for the event...
Anyway, hope that clears things up...
Ray
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J
As for the rest, hey I see your point... :-)
J
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:30:59 +0100, "J" <j...@nospamthanks.com> wrote:
>As a Chelsea fan, I extend my hand for a handshake...
>
>As for the rest, hey I see your point... :-)
>
>J
>
Super Chelsea all the way!
Speaking of... what do you think of the way CR was handled? I feel
sorta pissed off... Chelsea didn't exactly FAIL last season...
IMHO...
The new fella promises us he'll win the League within 4 years...
Which is good! But he also talked about being more defensive... He
(on the BBC news articles I read about him) seemed to think that
protecting a 1-0 lead was more important than getting a second and
securing it... I donno... Chelsea seem to do much better when
they're attacking and hunting then defending...
BTW, where are you J?
Ray
PS: Stand by now for were about to be attacked by the "politically
correct self appoinged, holier then thou net police who'll accuse us
of posting "off topic" while they of course post eff all of interest,
nevermind on topic...
And Just so Jaden, and his little killfile, I've decided NOT to cut
it... He might even be enlightened... I hear living in a cave of
"killfiles" rather limits one's perception of the world...
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> > Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the Old
> > Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to support
> > ABE... Anyone but England...
If England are in the world pole-dancing finals, there'll be Scots and Irish
saying "I've nothing against the English, but their pole-dancers are so
arrogant." Arrogance is just taken as read. I wish someone would say "Their
team isn't arrogant at all, I just hate the English."
J/
SOTW: "Shake Some Action" - The Flaming Groovies
Des Higgins
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> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:30:59 +0100, "J" <j...@nospamthanks.com> wrote:
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> >As a Chelsea fan, I extend my hand for a handshake...
> >
> >As for the rest, hey I see your point... :-)
> >
> >J
> >
>
> Super Chelsea all the way!
>
> Speaking of... what do you think of the way CR was handled? I feel
> sorta pissed off... Chelsea didn't exactly FAIL last season...
> IMHO...
>
> The new fella promises us he'll win the League within 4 years...
> Which is good! But he also talked about being more defensive... He
> (on the BBC news articles I read about him) seemed to think that
> protecting a 1-0 lead was more important than getting a second and
> securing it... I donno... Chelsea seem to do much better when
> they're attacking and hunting then defending...
>
> BTW, where are you J?
>
> Ray
> PS: Stand by now for were about to be attacked by the "politically
> correct self appoinged, holier then thou net police who'll accuse us
> of posting "off topic" while they of course post eff all of interest,
> nevermind on topic...
And you felt a great need to crosspost this .... I wonder why?
Are you really that hard up for a childish row.
Whitewolf
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I just figured it might be of interest to the 3 groups I posted to...
Ray
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:51:35 +0100, "westprog" <west...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
That's NOT how I feel! That's why you won't here me say it... Some
of my best friends are Brits... That expression has become a bit of
a joke in some circles, but in my case it's absolutely true... There
are some Brit friends I'd take a bullet for!
Get me now?
Ray
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Rick
Ok.
"Their team isn't arrogant at all, I just hate the English."
You have two more wishes...
Oh, "feck off" and "bugger off" don't count, since those are just "terms of
endearment"...
I had that explained to me. They like me a lot in here. :-)
Rick
>
>
> Ray
> PS: Stand by now for were about to be attacked by the "politically
> correct self appoinged, holier then thou net police who'll accuse us
> of posting "off topic" while they of course post eff all of interest,
> nevermind on topic...
>
License and Registration, Please!
Mr. Whitewolf, I clocked you at 12:48 going through 3 newsgroups...
The FAQs and nothing but the FAQs.
Lachie
<04buc0pi4fij01lgh...@4ax.com>, and displaying the suave
and sophisticated disposition of Archibald Leach, Whitewolf
<r...@eirefirst.com> sgrìobh,
For what reason would it be of interest to SCS? Is it because that if
you are a Rangers supporter you would be expected to follow Chelsea and
vice versa?
Interesting team of choice, therefore, for an avowed Irish Republican.
--
Llachie.
Hezakiah 14:10 - Na chwennych dafad dy gymydog, oblegid myfi yr Arglwydd dy
Dduw, wyf Dduw eiddigus...
Whitewolf
Er... I was only following the fella infront of me so I was... He was
goon' like ninety through the groups so he was... All them arabs and jews
he was xposting to... Tail gaiting (gating?) at worse I'm guily of... But
I was only following that fella that's been posting more posts then all the
rest of us combined regarding jews... and rocks and grenades...
Ray
Lachie
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"Everyone, Republican or otherwise has their own
>particular part to play. No part is too great or too
>small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
>Bobby Sands (1954-1981), on hunger strike in 1981
>
English Brits, Irish Brits, Welsh Brits or Scots Brits?
--
Lachie.
Ni bhéarfainn broim dreólín ar dhuilleog cuillin agus is beag an puth gaoth é sin!
Rick
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:20:47 -0400, Rick <notgi...@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >Whitewolf wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ray
> >> PS: Stand by now for were about to be attacked by the "politically
> >> correct self appoinged, holier then thou net police who'll accuse us
> >> of posting "off topic" while they of course post eff all of interest,
> >> nevermind on topic...
> >>
> >
> >License and Registration, Please!
> >Mr. Whitewolf, I clocked you at 12:48 going through 3 newsgroups...
> >The FAQs and nothing but the FAQs.
> >
>
> Er... I was only following the fella infront of me so I was... He was
> goon' like ninety through the groups so he was... All them arabs and jews
> he was xposting to... Tail gaiting (gating?) at worse I'm guily of... But
> I was only following that fella that's been posting more posts then all the
> rest of us combined regarding jews... and rocks and grenades...
>
> Ray
>
Did you ever go fishing, Mr. Whitewolf?
Did you catch them all?
Tell it to the Judge.
Oh, and I'd take off that ring if I was you.... ;-)
Whitewolf
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:00:42 -0400, Rick <notgi...@alltel.net>
wrote:
Well, indeed I have, don't you know I have...
>Did you catch them all?
Not at all, sure you must know the biggest buggers got away... He
must have been 18 feet long salmon so he was....
>Tell it to the Judge.
Yor honor' t'was a grand fish so t'was...
>Oh, and I'd take off that ring if I was you.... ;-)
Wha' me marriage ring? do you want herself to kill me do ya?
Ray
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:49:33 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>Scríobh Ray:
>
>>>There are some Brit friends I'd take a bullet for!
>
>Don't let me stop you...
There are some people however....
;-)
Ray
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unki
Whitewolf <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote:
>Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the Old
>Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to support
>ABE... Anyone but England...
and Limerick FC.
Allan Connochie
"westprog" <west...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I think you're wrong about that. Scots don't always in the main support
everyone against any English sportsman. It's mainly reserved, with the odd
exception, for the English national sides at football and rugby. That is
most folk I know like to see the English national sides beaten by whoever
but normally if an English club side were playing [ie Man Utd or Newcastle
etc] then most folk I know would support them. You are right about the
excuses for it though. Doesn't matter what the England team say, what the
supporters get up to, or who the TV pundits are, most Scots will in the main
still not support them. It used to be more out in the open when folk would
just say "we hate England" and the English team and supporters would laugh
it off and give as much back. Nowadays there are lots of poor we sensitive
souls who feel that 50 million supporters is not enough and they crave the
affection of the Scots too and many folk are embarrassed into saying "oh I'd
quite like them to do well" before giving an aside to their mates "do I
hell".
Funny thing though was that just before France scored the English fans were
singing to them "Are you Scotland in disguise?" supposedly suggesting France
were crap. Nice to see they keep us in their minds. The shouts emanated
from most houses in my street when Zizou scored that free kick :-)
Allan
westprog
"Rick" <notgi...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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What is really impressive is the way that Lampard, Terry, Cole and Bridge
can shed their arrogance along with their England shirt so easily.
JStewart
I remember going to Enfield (NorthEast London) one evening when England were
playing Holland in White Hart Lane. Along with normal commuters, there were
loads ( and I mean loads) of drunken football louts on board, as the train
to Enfield goes through Totenham. By about Hackney they were in full swing,
singing loyalist songs, ending most of them with "fuck the paddy bastards".
I was glad when I heard later that Holland stuffed them, not because of the
normal English who were probably as embarassed by these pricks as I was, but
because of their behaviour. There are English people, and then there are
English football hooligans. The English I like, the soccer thugs I can't
stand. There is a difference.
westprog
"Allan Connochie" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote in message
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> I think you're wrong about that. Scots don't always in the main support
> everyone against any English sportsman. It's mainly reserved, with the
odd
> exception, for the English national sides at football and rugby. That is
> most folk I know like to see the English national sides beaten by whoever
> but normally if an English club side were playing [ie Man Utd or Newcastle
> etc] then most folk I know would support them. You are right about the
> excuses for it though. Doesn't matter what the England team say, what the
> supporters get up to, or who the TV pundits are, most Scots will in the
main
> still not support them. It used to be more out in the open when folk
would
> just say "we hate England" and the English team and supporters would laugh
> it off and give as much back. Nowadays there are lots of poor we
sensitive
> souls who feel that 50 million supporters is not enough and they crave the
> affection of the Scots too and many folk are embarrassed into saying "oh
I'd
> quite like them to do well" before giving an aside to their mates "do I
> hell".
The impression I have is that after many years of supporting Scotland as the
British team that made it to the World Cup when England didn't, the English
are willing to settle for enmity. England supporters used to carry the Union
flag. Not any more.
> Funny thing though was that just before France scored the English fans
were
> singing to them "Are you Scotland in disguise?" supposedly suggesting
France
> were crap. Nice to see they keep us in their minds. The shouts emanated
> from most houses in my street when Zizou scored that free kick :-)
Does anyone remember the Euro goal scored against England that had everyone
in Scotland groaning?
OldWiseMan
> ... And the commentators comments.
What gets me is the way Scots/Welsh/Irish become British when they win, but
retain their nationality when they lose.
My all-time favourite was when Stephen Roche won the Tour de France and he
was described as "the first native-born English speaker" to do so!
Si
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>Scríobh "OldWiseMan" <oldwis...@hotmail.com>:
>"the first English speaker."
>
>Its not just a BBC thing though. Google brings up references to
>English speaking Roche (& Co) at
>http://www.irishclans.com/articles/cycling1.html
>"He blazed new trails and opened up new frontiers for English speaking
>riders when he went across to France and joined ACBB. Thanks to him,
>Boulogne-Billancourt club would become a nursery for English speaking
>riders, grooming them for greatness"
>
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/veloarchive/races/tourbrits.htm
>"The English-speaking contingent"
>"The first English-speaking riders to ride the Tour de France were two
>Australians, riding for Phebus-Dunlop, with Georges Passerieu"
>
>Barry McGuigan might have been a British winner and an Irish loser,
>but the Roche/English speaker thing extends beyond the BBC Sports
>Dept's Littleengland.
>
>--
>"Ferr fíor fertaib"
>Féachadóir
A yank with a froggy name dosen't count then?
I feel sure that Greg LeMonde might have a few words to say on the above..although
in what language I am not sure.
Si
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I totally missed the "Are you Scotland in disguise" chant... Grrr...
Another reason I'm happy they lost...
Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious the English have
been in defeat... Rioting, bottle throwing... As expected...
The Scots however are being advised to "Ignore England" entirely. I
love this quote: " In every tournament Scotland supporters watch
England to see them lose - but usually they win, and that spoils
everyone's night."- Hamish Husband, spokesman for assoc. of Tartan
Army Clubs...
Here's the whole article from the BBC...
Scots urged to 'ignore England'
By Raymond Buchanan
BBC Radio Scotland's Sunday Live
Euro 2004 is upon us and as Scotland failed to qualify, the country's
attentions - and support - must now turn elsewhere.
But if Scots take the advice of one Tartan Army foot soldier, Beckham,
Owen and Gerrard will not be cheered from many Scottish sitting rooms.
Hamish Husband, spokesman for the Association of Tartan Army Clubs,
says England games should be ignored.
This is his logic. In every tournament Scotland supporters watch
England to see them lose - but usually they win, and that spoils
everyone's night.
So instead, Mr Morrison's suggestion is this: "Pick two teams, pick
one of the best teams and one of the lowly teams.
"This year the best choice is Latvia. If England are playing that
team, then watch it, but if they're not then ignore them, don't get
all emotional, just walk away."
Are some Scots just anti-English? There is some evidence to suggest
the answer is yes.
Take the case of Englishman Dick and his Scottish wife Maggie.
Wider problem
Two years ago they were playing in a ceilidh band at an Aberdeenshire
hotel, where they were subjected to anti-English abuse and were not
paid their full fee.
They sued and won, but Dick says the experience was indicative of a
wider problem of racism he has suffered.
"It is not jocular. In England I have never seen such antagonism
towards other members of the British nation. In Scotland, it can be
nasty," he said.
And these anecdotal experiences have been backed up by research from
the University of Glasgow.
If you are the small country then there is an envy, a suspicion or a
resentment
Simon Kuper
Dutch football expert
Professor Bill Miller spoke to more than 1,000 people who were born in
England but now live in Scotland.
About 25% said they had been harassed or discriminated against by
ordinary Scots.
A third of those questioned said they frequently had to deal with
anti-English jokes.
The reputation of our political leaders in fostering good cross-border
relations is not good either.
In August of 2002, Rural Development Minister Ross Finnie had to
apologise after calling the head of the CBI an English prat.
But the Scots and the English are not alone when it comes to most
clearly displaying their prejudices in the context of sport.
Spliffs and tulips
The Dutch and the Germans are famously hostile towards each other.
This has been encouraged with sporting antics like Ronald Koeman
wiping his backside on Olaf Thon's shirt and a German website being
created allowing spliffs and tulips to be thrown at Dutch players
after Holland failed to qualify for the last World Cup.
This rivalry reached its height in the 1980s when memories of World
War Two were rekindled and the German economy seemed to be dominating
Europe.
But as Germany's economic progress has slowed and its football team
has struggled, a new spirit of kindness has emerged.
The Dutch now feel almost sorry for their bigger, traditionally more
successful neighbours.
Dutch football expert Simon Kuper said: "If you are the small country
then there is an envy, a suspicion or a resentment.
"The relationship between Germany and Holland has changed recently
because Germany is no longer so mighty.
"It may also be the case with the English and the Scots that the
balance has been redressed a little bit."
New-found convictions
That is a reference to devolution and the removal of the balm for all
Scotland's ills from London to Edinburgh.
So, are Scots mellowing?
A poll conducted by the Daily Record newspaper last week suggested
this is the case.
Some 60% wanted Sven-Goran Eriksson's team to do well in Portugal.
But as this month's tournament progresses, we will see how many hold
to their new-found convictions.
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Exactly!
The draw the hostility on themselves by their own words and
arrogance...
Ray
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:48:44 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>Scríobh "OldWiseMan" <oldwis...@hotmail.com>:
>>
>The story is growing. At the time, the version was that he was
simply
>"the first English speaker."
>
>Its not just a BBC thing though. Google brings up references to
>English speaking Roche (& Co) at
>http://www.irishclans.com/articles/cycling1.html
>"He blazed new trails and opened up new frontiers for English
speaking
>riders when he went across to France and joined ACBB. Thanks to him,
>Boulogne-Billancourt club would become a nursery for English speaking
>riders, grooming them for greatness"
>
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/veloarchive/races/tourbrits.htm
>"The English-speaking contingent"
>"The first English-speaking riders to ride the Tour de France were
two
>Australians, riding for Phebus-Dunlop, with Georges Passerieu"
>
>Barry McGuigan might have been a British winner and an Irish loser,
>but the Roche/English speaker thing extends beyond the BBC Sports
>Dept's Littleengland.
I once saw Barry fighting in NI... They played the British National
Anthem for him... He stood for it... It represented him... I never
liked him after that...
Ray
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No matter how minute! :-)
Ray
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>
> Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
> >The story is growing. At the time, the version was that he was simply
> >"the first English speaker."
> >
> >Its not just a BBC thing though. Google brings up references to
> >English speaking Roche (& Co) at
> >http://www.irishclans.com/articles/cycling1.html
> >"He blazed new trails and opened up new frontiers for English speaking
> >riders when he went across to France and joined ACBB. Thanks to him,
> >Boulogne-Billancourt club would become a nursery for English speaking
> >riders, grooming them for greatness"
> >
> >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/veloarchive/races/tourbrits.htm
> >"The English-speaking contingent"
> >"The first English-speaking riders to ride the Tour de France were two
> >Australians, riding for Phebus-Dunlop, with Georges Passerieu"
> >
> >Barry McGuigan might have been a British winner and an Irish loser,
> >but the Roche/English speaker thing extends beyond the BBC Sports
> >Dept's Littleengland.
> >
> >--
> >"Ferr fíor fertaib"
> >Féachadóir
>
> A yank with a froggy name dosen't count then?
>
> I feel sure that Greg LeMonde might have a few words to say on the
above..although
> in what language I am not sure.
>
>
There was a photo of the good Greg in some mag I gawped at recently... with
quads and pecs like that, the man can talk to me in *any* language...
--
Cat(h) (doing her bit to bring the thread on (to her fav) topic) (and this
froggy name hasn't been froggy in a hell of a long time, at a guess...)
The world swirls...
Des Higgins
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> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:17:02 +0100, "OldWiseMan"
> <oldwis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:809uc0tsaig9ngvsc...@4ax.com...
> >
> >> ... And the commentators comments.
> >
> >What gets me is the way Scots/Welsh/Irish become British when they
> win, but
> >retain their nationality when they lose.
> >
> >My all-time favourite was when Stephen Roche won the Tour de France
> and he
> >was described as "the first native-born English speaker" to do so!
> >
> >
>
> Exactly!
>
> The draw the hostility on themselves by their own words and
> arrogance...
>
Even if they did say it, I fail to see why that is arogant.
Des Higgins
Who cares. Do you stand for the US anthem?
It turns out, when McGuigan had any control over what was played, he had
neither anthem
and neither flag. That was guaranteed to freak out the neanderthals like
you from both sides.
Whitewolf
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Maybe I didn't make it clear... He was fighting some international
fella and the anthem they played to represet Barry was the British one
not the Irish one and he stood for it and accepted it and that was it
for me and him...
Ray
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Des Higgins
He was damned if he did and damned if he did not.
I reckon it takes more guts to treat the British anthem as just a song and
get on with the fight.
Whitewolf
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:42:47 +0100, "Des Higgins"
<dazzh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you were in his position, would YOU accept a foreign national
anthem being played on your behalf?
Ray
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Des Higgins
If I was boxing in Belfast, I would give it serious consideration.
I cannot stand AnaBhF anyway. It reminds me of christian brothers and you.
MMcC
>Scríobh "OldWiseMan" <oldwis...@hotmail.com>:
>>
>The story is growing. At the time, the version was that he was simply
>"the first English speaker."
A yank named LeMond had him bate by a few years.
The idea that he blazed the trail for English speakers is also a load
of shite... there was a year in the early 80's that LeMond, Kelly,
Miller (SCO), and Andersen (AUS) all finished in the top five or six.
I don't believe that has been repeated since.
OldWiseMan
> Maybe I didn't make it clear... He was fighting some international
> fella and the anthem they played to represet Barry was the British one
> not the Irish one
Ahem .. maybe something to do with the fact that he was fighting as British
Champion?
Yet again, you don't do your homework before making childish remarks.
OldWiseMan
> Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious the English have
> been in defeat... Rioting, bottle throwing... As expected...
And *your* prejudices show through yet again ... a crowd of football
hooligans hardly merits "the English" as a description.
allan connochie
>
> "Allan Connochie" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote in message
> news:40cf...@news.greennet.net...
> ...
the
> British team that made it to the World Cup when England didn't, the
English
> are willing to settle for enmity. England supporters used to carry the
Union
> flag. Not any more.
Don't think the two things are connected. The last time Scotland made it to
a major finals and England didn't was if I'm not mistaken 1978. The only
other time it happened in modern times anyway was 1974. The English didn't
really start using the flag of St George on mass at these sporting events
until the 1990s and really it was Euro 96 where it really took off, almost a
full two decades after Argentina78. It used to annoy many Scottish folk no
ends that the English fans treated the Union Flag as their own. I think the
move towards devolution in Scotland and Wales and the lessening of the
British part of being Scottish perhaps influenced a more Englishness to
arise too.
>
> > Funny thing though was that just before France scored the English fans
> were
> > singing to them "Are you Scotland in disguise?" supposedly suggesting
> France
> > were crap. Nice to see they keep us in their minds. The shouts
emanated
> > from most houses in my street when Zizou scored that free kick :-)
>
> Does anyone remember the Euro goal scored against England that had
everyone
> in Scotland groaning?
Nope you've got me there.
cheers
Allan
MMcC
>
>Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious the English have
>been in defeat... Rioting, bottle throwing... As expected...
Is that like Limerick people shooting and stabbing each other..... As
expected...... ?
Or Catholic priests sexually abusing children.... As expected... ?
Whatever happened not tarring the whole because of the actions of a
small minority?
Or are you exempt from your own advise?
allan connochie
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> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:46:02 +0100, "Allan Connochie"
> <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote:
>
> Are some Scots just anti-English? There is some evidence to suggest
> the answer is yes.
>
> Take the case of Englishman Dick and his Scottish wife Maggie.
>
> Wider problem
>
> Two years ago they were playing in a ceilidh band at an Aberdeenshire
> hotel, where they were subjected to anti-English abuse and were not
> paid their full fee.
>
> They sued and won, but Dick says the experience was indicative of a
> wider problem of racism he has suffered.
>
> "It is not jocular. In England I have never seen such antagonism
> towards other members of the British nation. In Scotland, it can be
> nasty," he said.
These things of course can happen anywhere. I've personally been assaulted
once and threatened twice for no other reason other than being a Scot in
England. If Dick suffered abuse then of course it's terrible but he's
living in cloud cuckoo land if he really thinks such things never happen to
Scottish, Irish or Welsh people in England. Scotland has been looking at
itself in the run up to and post devolution. It has been examining our role
in the union and our relationship to England and the English. Studies of
the same kind have not afaik been carried out in England to the same extent.
>
> And these anecdotal experiences have been backed up by research from
> the University of Glasgow.
>
>
> If you are the small country then there is an envy, a suspicion or a
> resentment
> Simon Kuper
> Dutch football expert
> Professor Bill Miller spoke to more than 1,000 people who were born in
> England but now live in Scotland.
> About 25% said they had been harassed or discriminated against by
> ordinary Scots.
>
> A third of those questioned said they frequently had to deal with
> anti-English jokes.
You also have to watch such reports too. Several studies and reports have
been widely misreported and exaggerated by the media, especially so in the
years around the devolution debate. Plus of course 75% of the above folk
seemingly experienced no problems! Of those who were harassed etc then what
did it amount to? Other studies have shown that when pushed the harrasment
often amounts to nothing more than teasing over football and rugby games.
Likewise I imagine far more than a third of Scots have had to endure jokes
about Scottish meanness from English people. Basically it's how these
figures are reported. According to the Herald what the report actually said
was that 98% of English people living in Scotland felt at ease, though 25%
reported that anti-English banter was an irritant. It adds that curiously
the findings were used to suggest Scots were mired in racism.
http://www.sundayherald.com/print42651
A comprehensive three year study of the English living in Scotland was
carried out by Murray Watson of Dundee University and likewise it consists
of statistical facts and anecdotal testaments, published in the book "Being
English In Scotland". Again a very high 94% of those interviewed felt
anti-Englishness was not a problem though they got fed up of the banter
around football/rugby. Only 2% had ever felt threatened or uneasy because
they were English. In the five year period before 1999 there were only 22
officially reported cases of anti-English discrimination in Scotland.
Remember there are over 400,000 English people living in Scotland. Now this
is not saying that anti-Englishness doesn't exist outside the football
banter. Of course it does but let's keep it in perspective there is no
evidence to suggest it is particulraly prevalent, or for that matter any
worse than anti-whoever wherever else, including England. In fact most of
the evidence suggests the English are welcomed with open arms and integrate
far more easily than any other group who migrated in any numbers, and
remember there are double the number of English incomers than all the others
put together. In his study Watson found violence against English people
basically nigh on impossible to find. However 18% of Pakistanis and 22% of
Indians had experienced physical attack. By the way my experience comes
first hand too. Married to an English woman living in Scotland for 17 years
with numerous English friends.
>
> The reputation of our political leaders in fostering good cross-border
> relations is not good either.
>
> In August of 2002, Rural Development Minister Ross Finnie had to
> apologise after calling the head of the CBI an English prat.
A stupid remark made in retaliation for an equally stupid and anti-Scottish
remark made by the said Digby Jones, who undoubtedly was both a prat and
English. You're just not allowed to string the two words together so Finnie
should just have called him a prat :-)
I honestly don't believe these figures. There is pressure on Scots now to
not support the other team playing England. Folk will say one thing and
then cheer when England get beat anyway. Old habits die hard. They
actually whisper to each other "hope they get stuffed" as it seems to be
looked on as politically incorrect or something. Of course that's bollocks
it's pure long lasting football rivalry. The two oldest football rivals in
the world and of course for nigh on 60 years or so of international football
for these two the only important thing was who won the Scotland v England
game. The bitter rivalry even lasted well into the 1970s and it was shared
by both sides. England players like Channon and Ball were healthily
anti-Scots and it was great fun for some. The intense rivalry is still felt
throughout society in Scotland and probably always was stronger anyway. In
England the demise of Scottish prowess along with the end of the annual
fixture means for the English nation as a whole Germany or Argentina are now
the real rivals, though I think for real die-hard England football fans one
thing worse than being beaten in a tournament by either of these two would
be to be beaten by Scotland.
Allan
Lachie
<40d0...@news.greennet.net>, and displaying the suave and sophisticated
disposition of Archibald Leach, allan connochie <al...@EASYNET.CO.UK>
sgrìobh,
Bloody hell Allan, Euro 96, England v Holland, if Semen hadn't let the
last goal in the net we would have been home and dry, aye home and dry.
It would be nice to live somewhere that was home and dry.
--
Lachie Macquarie.
"The French are such poor gardeners they don't have a word for
secateurs" George Wa*ker Bush
allan connochie
"Lachie" <noos@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> Capturing in this missive, in the sparing prose of Rambaud,
> <40d0...@news.greennet.net>, and displaying the suave and sophisticated
> disposition of Archibald Leach, allan connochie <al...@EASYNET.CO.UK>
> sgrìobh,
> >
> >"westprog" <west...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:qPVzc.2355$Z14....@news.indigo.ie...
> >everyone
> >> in Scotland groaning?
> >
> >
> >Nope you've got me there.
> >
>
> Bloody hell Allan, Euro 96, England v Holland, if Semen hadn't let the
> last goal in the net we would have been home and dry, aye home and dry.
>
> It would be nice to live somewhere that was home and dry.
Right enough. What am I like?
Allan
allan connochie
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> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:42:47 +0100, "Des Higgins"
> <dazzh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Maybe I didn't make it clear... He was fighting some international
> >> fella and the anthem they played to represet Barry was the British
> one
> >> not the Irish one and he stood for it and accepted it and that was
> it
> >> for me and him...
> >
> >He was damned if he did and damned if he did not.
> >I reckon it takes more guts to treat the British anthem as just a
> song and
> >get on with the fight.
>
> If you were in his position, would YOU accept a foreign national
> anthem being played on your behalf?
This is a non argument. They played the British national anthem because
Barry McGuigan MBE was representing the UK. He represented the UK in the
1978 Commonwealth Games and won the British Championship in 1983. It was
his choice surely which country to officially represent though I think he
always made it clear that in his heart he also represented all of Ireland.
Allan
westprog
"Lachie" <noos@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> >> Does anyone remember the Euro goal scored against England that had
> >everyone in Scotland groaning?
> >Nope you've got me there.
> Bloody hell Allan, Euro 96, England v Holland, if Semen hadn't let the
> last goal in the net we would have been home and dry, aye home and dry.
I'd have thought that one was etched like fire on the Scottish soul.
Then there was England's collapse in their last game of Euro '88 to let the
Irish down.
> It would be nice to live somewhere that was home and dry.
Brazil might be good. Or Germany.
Whitewolf
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The hooligans are/were English, not Scottish, not Welsh, not Irish,
but English and that's why I'm calling them English...
Ray
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Let me rephrase... just so you can understand....
Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious *MANY OF* the
English *FOOTBALL "FANS"* have been in defeat... Rioting, bottle
throwing... As expected...
There, feel better now? I would have thought it was obvious before,
but some people....
Ray
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I don't know any Irish man that would accept the British National
Anthem being played for them - at sporting events or anywhere...
Ray
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BfB
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> > >As a Chelsea fan, I extend my hand for a handshake...
> > >
> > >As for the rest, hey I see your point... :-)
> > >
> > >J
> > >
> >
> > Super Chelsea all the way!
> >
> > Speaking of... what do you think of the way CR was handled? I feel
> > sorta pissed off... Chelsea didn't exactly FAIL last season...
> > IMHO...
> >
> > The new fella promises us he'll win the League within 4 years...
> > Which is good! But he also talked about being more defensive... He
> > (on the BBC news articles I read about him) seemed to think that
> > protecting a 1-0 lead was more important than getting a second and
> > securing it... I donno... Chelsea seem to do much better when
> > they're attacking and hunting then defending...
> >
> > BTW, where are you J?
> >
> > Ray
> > PS: Stand by now for were about to be attacked by the "politically
> > correct self appoinged, holier then thou net police who'll accuse us
> > of posting "off topic" while they of course post eff all of interest,
> > nevermind on topic...
>
> And you felt a great need to crosspost this .... I wonder why?
> Are you really that hard up for a childish row.
>
>
Speaking of childish............
BfB
"OldWiseMan" <oldwis...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > ... And the commentators comments.
>
> What gets me is the way Scots/Welsh/Irish become British when they win,
but
> retain their nationality when they lose.
>
> My all-time favourite was when Stephen Roche won the Tour de France and he
> was described as "the first native-born English speaker" to do so!
>
>
BfB
BfB
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> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:31:01 +0100, "OldWiseMan"
> <oldwis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >
> >"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:i9m0d013lvu48pa6s...@4ax.com...
> >
> >> Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious the English
> have
> >> been in defeat... Rioting, bottle throwing... As expected...
> >
> >And *your* prejudices show through yet again ... a crowd of football
> >hooligans hardly merits "the English" as a description.
> >
>
> The hooligans are/were English, not Scottish, not Welsh, not Irish,
> but English and that's why I'm calling them English...
>
> Ray
>
You didn't say English hooligans or English supporters, said *the* English
which implies the English nation/people in general.
MMcC
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>On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:01:54 -0500, MMcC <in...@earthlings.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:46:44 GMT, Whitewolf <r...@eirefirst.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious the English
>have
>>>been in defeat... Rioting, bottle throwing... As expected...
>>
>>
>>Is that like Limerick people shooting and stabbing each other..... As
>>expected...... ?
>>
>>Or Catholic priests sexually abusing children.... As expected... ?
>>
>>Whatever happened not tarring the whole because of the actions of a
>>small minority?
>>Or are you exempt from your own advise?
>>
>>
>>
>
>Let me rephrase... just so you can understand....
>
>Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious *MANY OF* the
>English *FOOTBALL "FANS"* have been in defeat... Rioting, bottle
>throwing... As expected...
Ray, I know numbers are not your strong point and being prejudiced
tends to cloud your vision.... but let me break it down for you.
There are probably 50-60,000 English football fans in Portugal at the
moment, maybe more. Something like 15 or 20 were arrested.... so
perhaps there were another 50, maybe100, or so involved in rioting all
told. Now being the great web master that you are I'm sure you had to
study a bit of the auld maths to before they let you at a computer. So
I'm sure you'd be able to figure out what percentage 50 is of
60,000..... I'm also sure you'll also be able to discern if that
percentage can be referred to as *MANY OFF* .
Now, to get back to your hypocrosy, which I also alluded to in my
earlier post, when anyone refers to Priests as child abuers...... you
get your knickers in twist and point out that that is an unfair charge
to level as only a small percentage of Priests actually abused
children...... and you are right to do so. You respond in a similar
fashion to accusations about Limerick and the numerous cases of
stabbings and shootings that have happened there in recent years.
(If you would like I'm sure I could go back through google and
resurrect at least 10 posts, probably more, where you have done so.)
Now, Ray, if you were to engage a bit of that auld grey matter between
the auld ears there I'm sure you could, through application of
elementary logic, come to the conclusion that if it's wrong to refer
to tar all preists and Limerick people becase of the actions of a few,
then it is also wrong to do so with regard to English football fans.
>There, feel better now? I would have thought it was obvious before,
>but some people....
Your hypocrosy and prejudice are what's obvious.
Oh btw.....VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
As someone who has been an afficionado of French Football for well
over 20 years, I was a happy man on Sunday.
Altogether now...........
LA MARSEILLAISE
Allons enfants de la Patrie,
le jour de gloire est arrivé
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé.
L'étendard sanglant est levé:
Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats!
Qui viennent jusque dans vos bras
Égorger vos fils et vos compagnes.
Aux armes citoyens,
Formez vos bataillons.
Marchons! Marchons! (Refrein)
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons
Falcon
[...]
> Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the Old
> Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to support
> ABE... Anyone but England...
England 3 Switzerland 0. Hmmm
We'll all be rooting for France tonight, Ray...
-------
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
"What will History say?"
"History, sir, will tell lies as usual."
westprog
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> > Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the Old
> > Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to support
> > ABE... Anyone but England...
> England 3 Switzerland 0. Hmmm
> We'll all be rooting for France tonight, Ray...
Dunphy said that he liked English people, it's the unreasonable expectations
of the English press he hated. Unlike the Spanish, Italians or the rest of
Europe of course.
Sir Bobby Robson said he thought the Swedes were playing very well.
J/
SOTW: "Human" - Goldfrapp
Falcon
Yes, that made me giggle. On the ball, as ever.
Vive la France...
Allan Connochie
Well McGuigan chose to fight for the UK so chose to have the British anthem.
Can't change that. It happened.
Allan
Whitewolf
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>> <oldwis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
>> >news:i9m0d013lvu48pa6s...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> Just been reading the BBC website about how gracious the English
>> have
>> >> been in defeat... Rioting, bottle throwing... As expected...
>> >
>> >And *your* prejudices show through yet again ... a crowd of
football
>> >hooligans hardly merits "the English" as a description.
>> >
>>
>> The hooligans are/were English, not Scottish, not Welsh, not Irish,
>> but English and that's why I'm calling them English...
>>
>> Ray
>>
>
>
>You didn't say English hooligans or English supporters, said *the*
English
>which implies the English nation/people in general.
>
I already explained this...
Ray
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True, but after I saw that I was against him in ever match and wanted
him to lose no matter who he was playing.. I considered him a sorta
traitor...
Ray
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:19:35 +0100, "Falcon" <fal...@irishgroups.com>
wrote:
>
>"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
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>[...]
>
>> Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the
Old
>> Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to
support
>> ABE... Anyone but England...
>
>England 3 Switzerland 0. Hmmm
Yeah, well every team gets lucky and manages a fluke win sometimes
regardless of the run of play or fairness of the outcome... Today was
England's turn... I'm glad I only listened to this one on the netradio
and not paid another 20 dollars to watch it...
Ray
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westprog
...
> > I don't know any Irish man that would accept the British National
> > Anthem being played for them - at sporting events or anywhere...
> Well McGuigan chose to fight for the UK so chose to have the British
anthem.
> Can't change that. It happened.
Everyone's in favour of building bridges to the other community, until it
happens. Then it's a betrayal.
Allan Connochie
Did you have any problems with Jack Charlton managing the Irish national
side? If someone is a traitor going one way then it must also fit going the
other. I understand the disappointment in a sporting sense right enough.
Scotland are so scraping for talent at the moment that losing McGeady the
Celtic starlet to Ireland is a bit of a blow, and quite frankly shows how
much Scotland are in the doldrums nowadays. That would have been
unthinkable a couple of decades ago apart from folk who thought perhaps they
wouldn't make it into the Scottish squad. I think he would perhaps get a
hot reception at Hampden if he ever plays there for the Republic. I take it
that you are meaning more in a political sense rather than a sporting one.
I always thought that at the time he was regarded as a positive link between
the two Irish communities. Of course that may just be looking at it through
the UK media's rosy specks. Sport is one of things that has crossed the
boundaries though. With Ulstermen playing in the all-Irish national rugby
side and folk from the Republic playing in the British Lions etc. Or as
they seem to be politcally correctly called nowadays......the British and
Irish Lions.
cheers
Allan
MMcC
<co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote:
I wonder if Ray would have a problem with a Irish boxer boxing under
an American flag?
Somehow I suspect he wouldn't.
Btw, the McGeady thing is a bit strange, given that both of his
parents are Scottish born and they wanted him to play for Scotland. If
his parents were Irish they you could put it down to parential
influence-pressure. He must be really attached to his Grandda in
Donegal.
Or is it just plain oppurtunism, given we have a better team than ye
these days, and probably will have for a while?
I could see why we got Ray Houghton, he probably couldn't have made it
into the Scottish squad at the time (mid-late 80's).
Most of the English born lads that play for Ireland fall into 2
categories... a) raised with a strong attachment to Ireland by their
parents, i.e Kilbane, Breen etc and ergo feel more Irish than English,
and b) fellas that would have played for England if they'd been called
up, picked us when it looked like that was unlikely, i.e Morrison,
O'Brien etc.
Not that I'm complaining mind you, from what I've read this McGeady
lad seems to be really special, a star in the making.
Allan Connochie
"MMcC" <in...@earthlings.com> wrote in message
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He claims it was first come first served. Ireland seemingly have been
wooing him for some time with Bertie Vogts, or whoever else it was, only
approaching him once he had already committed to the Irish. Of coure you
are right this is the poorest Scottish team that there has ever been though
there are possibly better times on the horizon.
cheers
Allan
>
Allan Connochie
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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> Scríobh "Falcon" <fal...@irishgroups.com>:
> >
> >"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:0f3uc0521v8m4c64p...@4ax.com...
> >[...]
> >
> >> Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the Old
> >> Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to support
> >> ABE... Anyone but England...
> >
> >England 3 Switzerland 0. Hmmm
> >We'll all be rooting for France tonight, Ray...
>
>
> Lunchtime today, got taking about the match and a guy at the table
> reckoned the Swiss were a tough team and would have been too much for
> England, My argument that the English were two minutes from victory
> against the French, a better team than Siwtzerland, didn't wash with
> him.
>
> Bollocks, I should have asked him for a bet.
England have the incredible habit of scoring a goal out of nothing when
really they are being outplayed, which has to be a talent in itself. It
happened again last night again. Switzerland were very much still in it
though until the sending off which was a bit harsh.
Allan
>
> --
> "Ferr fíor fertaib"
> Féachadóir
westprog
"Allan Connochie" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote in message
news:40d2...@news.greennet.net...
...
> really they are being outplayed, which has to be a talent in itself. It
> happened again last night again. Switzerland were very much still in it
> though until the sending off which was a bit harsh.
I remember when England had the habit of conceding a goal out of nothing
when they were dominating. If they haven't lost the trick totally, they are
far more likely to get undeserving victories than unlucky defeats now, which
has to be a tribute to the Swede.
Their first goal against Switzerland was very clever, and very well worked.
Scholes pulling the right back out of position, Owen moving into the vacant
space and leaving the centre back behind, Beckham seeing this and picking
him out, Gerrard pulling three players onto himself and drawing the foul -
and all they'll talk about is Rooney snatching a goal out of nothing.
Mike MacKinnon
switched over after about 10 minutes of the second half and only
switched back about 2 mins form the end. I wasn't surprised by the
score. After the Swiss guy Gygax turned his back on a pass from his
own player, it was obvious the Swiss had given up.
To me England were just not as terrible as Switzerland. Both teams
were pretty awful though. Definitely the wordt game of a rather
uninspiring tournament.
Croatia looked not bad when they decided to play......
M
Cat
"MMcC" <in...@earthlings.com> wrote in message
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snip good lecture in basic statistics
> Oh btw.....VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
>
> As someone who has been an afficionado of French Football for well
> over 20 years, I was a happy man on Sunday.
I was a woman with mixed feelings this week end. Kildare got trounced on
Saturday in front of my teary eyes in Newbridge by an immensely superior
Offaly team. It would have been cool if Kildare had *actually* tried to
score a few points or goals and had thrown half a shape at defending.
France, on the other hand, won with panache what I am told (for I didnt see
it, to my eternal shame) was an excellent match against England. All I can
say to that, is that Zizou is the man with real Vavavoom, even if Thierry is
the sexier one.
>
> Altogether now...........
>
> LA MARSEILLAISE
>
> Allons enfants de la Patrie,
> le jour de gloire est arrivé
> Contre nous de la tyrannie
> L'étendard sanglant est levé.
> L'étendard sanglant est levé:
> Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
> Mugir ces féroces soldats!
> Qui viennent jusque dans vos bras
> Égorger vos fils et vos compagnes.
>
>
> Aux armes citoyens,
> Formez vos bataillons.
> Marchons! Marchons! (Refrein)
> Qu'un sang impur
> Abreuve nos sillons
>
>
Aahhhh bless... I find myself singing this aloud.. no doubt the colleagues
will send for the men in white coats :-)
--
Cat(h)
The world swirls...
westprog
"Cat" <cath...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "MMcC" <in...@earthlings.com> wrote in message
> news:80o3d0th26kae9lfp...@4ax.com...
>
> snip good lecture in basic statistics
>
> > Oh btw.....VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
> >
> > As someone who has been an afficionado of French Football for well
> > over 20 years, I was a happy man on Sunday.
>
> I was a woman with mixed feelings this week end. Kildare got trounced on
> Saturday in front of my teary eyes in Newbridge by an immensely superior
> Offaly team. It would have been cool if Kildare had *actually* tried to
> score a few points or goals and had thrown half a shape at defending.
> France, on the other hand, won with panache what I am told (for I didnt
see
> it, to my eternal shame) was an excellent match against England. All I
can
> say to that, is that Zizou is the man with real Vavavoom, even if Thierry
is
> the sexier one.
If you didn't see it, I can say that you're a lucky nation. Two matches that
could have ended up with null points very easily indeed. You'll probably win
it now.
Though it will be amusing if the reward for winning the group is to play
Spain or Portugal, while England get Greece.
Though you will probably be the one who gets amused when England lose to
Greece and France beat the hosts.
Cat
"westprog" <west...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cat" <cath...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cauoed$pat$1...@kermit.esat.net...
> >
> >
> > "MMcC" <in...@earthlings.com> wrote in message
> > news:80o3d0th26kae9lfp...@4ax.com...
> >
> > snip good lecture in basic statistics
> >
> > > Oh btw.....VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
> > >
> > > As someone who has been an afficionado of French Football for well
> > > over 20 years, I was a happy man on Sunday.
> >
> > I was a woman with mixed feelings this week end. Kildare got trounced
on
> > Saturday in front of my teary eyes in Newbridge by an immensely superior
> > Offaly team. It would have been cool if Kildare had *actually* tried to
> > score a few points or goals and had thrown half a shape at defending.
> > France, on the other hand, won with panache what I am told (for I didnt
> see
> > it, to my eternal shame) was an excellent match against England. All I
> can
> > say to that, is that Zizou is the man with real Vavavoom, even if
Thierry
> is
> > the sexier one.
>
> If you didn't see it, I can say that you're a lucky nation.
So I heard.
Two matches that
> could have ended up with null points very easily indeed. You'll probably
win
> it now.
>
> Though it will be amusing if the reward for winning the group is to play
> Spain or Portugal, while England get Greece.
>
> Though you will probably be the one who gets amused when England lose to
> Greece and France beat the hosts.
Not a bit. I true tolerant libril tradition, I will be extremely (smugly)
sympathetic.
westprog
"Cat" <cath...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
...
> > Though it will be amusing if the reward for winning the group is to play
> > Spain or Portugal, while England get Greece.
> > Though you will probably be the one who gets amused when England lose to
> > Greece and France beat the hosts.
> Not a bit. I true tolerant libril tradition, I will be extremely (smugly)
> sympathetic.
Hate that.
MMcC
wrote:
>
>
>"MMcC" <in...@earthlings.com> wrote in message
>news:80o3d0th26kae9lfp...@4ax.com...
>
>snip good lecture in basic statistics
>
>> Oh btw.....VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
>>
>> As someone who has been an afficionado of French Football for well
>> over 20 years, I was a happy man on Sunday.
>
>I was a woman with mixed feelings this week end. Kildare got trounced on
>Saturday in front of my teary eyes in Newbridge by an immensely superior
>Offaly team. It would have been cool if Kildare had *actually* tried to
>score a few points or goals and had thrown half a shape at defending.
>France, on the other hand, won with panache what I am told (for I didnt see
>it, to my eternal shame) was an excellent match against England. All I can
>say to that, is that Zizou is the man with real Vavavoom, even if Thierry is
>the sexier one.
Shower of powder puffs that Kildare lot. They have no mettle. You
should switch your allegiances to another county. I believe as an
immigrant that you are not tied into supporting any one county by
birth... dem's the rules... ok, I just made them up, but still, noone
should have to suffer the burden of supporting Kildare.
So, do you live close to the Laois border at all? Maybe you could
start supporting them. Westmeath are looking good this year. Or you
could go with Offaly and have both the hurling and the football
covered.
>> Altogether now...........
>>
>> LA MARSEILLAISE
>>
>> Allons enfants de la Patrie,
>> le jour de gloire est arrivé
>> Contre nous de la tyrannie
>> L'étendard sanglant est levé.
>> L'étendard sanglant est levé:
>> Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
>> Mugir ces féroces soldats!
>> Qui viennent jusque dans vos bras
>> Égorger vos fils et vos compagnes.
>>
>>
>> Aux armes citoyens,
>> Formez vos bataillons.
>> Marchons! Marchons! (Refrein)
>> Qu'un sang impur
>> Abreuve nos sillons
>>
>>
>
>Aahhhh bless... I find myself singing this aloud.. no doubt the colleagues
>will send for the men in white coats :-)
One of the great Anthems, very rousing..... I find it hard not to join
in whenever I hear it played.
Cat
"MMcC" <in...@earthlings.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:39:42 +0100, "Cat" <cath...@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"MMcC" <in...@earthlings.com> wrote in message
> >news:80o3d0th26kae9lfp...@4ax.com...
> >
> >snip good lecture in basic statistics
> >
> >> Oh btw.....VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
> >>
> >> As someone who has been an afficionado of French Football for well
> >> over 20 years, I was a happy man on Sunday.
> >
> >I was a woman with mixed feelings this week end. Kildare got trounced on
> >Saturday in front of my teary eyes in Newbridge by an immensely superior
> >Offaly team. It would have been cool if Kildare had *actually* tried to
> >score a few points or goals and had thrown half a shape at defending.
> >France, on the other hand, won with panache what I am told (for I didnt
see
> >it, to my eternal shame) was an excellent match against England. All I
can
> >say to that, is that Zizou is the man with real Vavavoom, even if Thierry
is
> >the sexier one.
>
> Shower of powder puffs that Kildare lot. They have no mettle. You
> should switch your allegiances to another county. I believe as an
> immigrant that you are not tied into supporting any one county by
> birth... dem's the rules... ok, I just made them up, but still, noone
> should have to suffer the burden of supporting Kildare.
Ah, but you see, I am old fashioned at heart. And imagine, if in 20 years'
time Kildare manage to do something of themselves, what with the influx of
all dem multicoloured kiddeens that can actually play with a ball, I could
be making my way to Croker of a September Sunday, bewhitened from head to
toe, not having had to work too hard with the wig colour.... What glory!
Now, how would I possibly appreciate the moment if I was traipsing to
victorious finals year after year, hmmmm?
> So, do you live close to the Laois border at all? Maybe you could
> start supporting them.
Good jaysus, you don't know what you 're asking there...
Westmeath are looking good this year. Or you
> could go with Offaly and have both the hurling and the football
> covered.
>
You might have a point there.. I do live in the Barony of Offaly West after
all...
>
>
> >> Altogether now...........
> >>
> >> LA MARSEILLAISE
> >>
> >> Allons enfants de la Patrie,
> >> le jour de gloire est arrivé
> >> Contre nous de la tyrannie
> >> L'étendard sanglant est levé.
> >> L'étendard sanglant est levé:
> >> Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
> >> Mugir ces féroces soldats!
> >> Qui viennent jusque dans vos bras
> >> Égorger vos fils et vos compagnes.
> >>
> >>
> >> Aux armes citoyens,
> >> Formez vos bataillons.
> >> Marchons! Marchons! (Refrein)
> >> Qu'un sang impur
> >> Abreuve nos sillons
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Aahhhh bless... I find myself singing this aloud.. no doubt the
colleagues
> >will send for the men in white coats :-)
>
> One of the great Anthems, very rousing..... I find it hard not to join
> in whenever I hear it played.
>
Yup. Suitably (and literally) bloody. Great ditty.
Whitewolf
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wrote:
I'm all for building bridges, but not burning the town behind it as
you rush across...
Ray
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:00:50 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>Scríobh "Falcon" <fal...@irishgroups.com>:
>>
>>"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
>>news:0f3uc0521v8m4c64p...@4ax.com...
>>[...]
>>
>>> Now, I'm no big fan of France National Football team... But the
Old
>>> Enemy's arrogance and being an Irish Nationalist drives me to
support
>>> ABE... Anyone but England...
>>
>>England 3 Switzerland 0. Hmmm
>>We'll all be rooting for France tonight, Ray...
>
>Bollocks.
>
>Lunchtime today, got taking about the match and a guy at the table
>reckoned the Swiss were a tough team and would have been too much for
>England, My argument that the English were two minutes from victory
>against the French, a better team than Siwtzerland, didn't wash with
>him.
>
>Bollocks, I should have asked him for a bet.
I feel the same... I predicted the result of the French/English game
down to the scoreline, and I predicted that England would win Swis...
- From what I've seen of the Croats, England will have a hard time of
it... I predict that England will lose 2-1 to the Croats... or maybe
3-2, but definately lose...
Ray
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Robert Peffers
Scottish football will never recover until we sort out the Auld Firm thing.
Almost any decent Scottish player is either snatched up by the Auld Firm or
they get made to be discontented by the Auld Firm's interest in them and
they move on to England. How can Scottish Fitba ever recover until everyone
in Scotland has an interest in seeing their local team winning games and
trophies. The League needs to be bigger so that one defeat is less damaging
to teams who are building with young players who always do show
inconsistency. The reason we speak of the games as, "Matches", means we
watch two matched teams battling it out on the playing field. Let's face it
Watching the, "Blue Brazil", v "The 'Tic", is only a magnet for die-hard
Celtic supporters and could in no way be called a football match. However,
watching two well matched primary school teams who are well matched is well
worth seeing. For example how many people enjoyed, "The Scottish Junior
Cup", on TV? I know I did. Now - take Rangers and Celtic --- --- --- Please!
Please! Please! Anyone, please take them, anywhere.
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John Mullen
news:cav3b0$6ff$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
(snip)
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Scottish football will never recover until we sort out the Auld Firm
thing.
> Almost any decent Scottish player is either snatched up by the Auld Firm
or
> they get made to be discontented by the Auld Firm's interest in them and
> they move on to England. How can Scottish Fitba ever recover until
everyone
> in Scotland has an interest in seeing their local team winning games and
> trophies. The League needs to be bigger so that one defeat is less
damaging
> to teams who are building with young players who always do show
> inconsistency. The reason we speak of the games as, "Matches", means we
> watch two matched teams battling it out on the playing field. Let's face
it
> Watching the, "Blue Brazil", v "The 'Tic", is only a magnet for die-hard
> Celtic supporters and could in no way be called a football match. However,
> watching two well matched primary school teams who are well matched is
well
> worth seeing. For example how many people enjoyed, "The Scottish Junior
> Cup", on TV? I know I did. Now - take Rangers and Celtic --- --- ---
Please!
> Please! Please! Anyone, please take them, anywhere.
Couldn't agree more. Take them away, and their loutish fans, their foreign
flags, their sectarian nonsense...
Trouble is, who would ever want them?
It is realistically our blemish on our game and it will have to be us who
solve it.
If there was a willingness to prosecute (I mean under criminal law, not the
SFA rules) for the blatant sectarian and racist hate the fans perpetrate, it
would help.
I also suggest forcing Celtgers to play in orange for a season, Rantic to
play in green. They are only colours after all. This would be a necessary
first step towards their rehabilitation into civil society. If they refused,
expel them. Close them down. The Scottish game would be by far the better
for it.
John
Mike MacKinnon
I wrote to the SFA a couple of years ago enquiring why, when the
sectarian element of both sides break inot their sick songs, the ref
doesn't stop the game. I didn't even recive the courtesy of a reply.
My philosophy is to stop the game until the songs stop. If they don't
stop within 5 minutes, abandon the game and fine the offending team.
And make it a real fine. The Old Firm pay lipservice to anti racism
and sectarianism but have you ever heard of anyone being prosecuted
for these crimes?
Yeah, fine them heavily. That's one thing both teams understand.
M
Des Higgins
"Mike MacKinnon" <mac...@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:ce632467.04062...@posting.google.com...
If it is any consolation, this disease also has a bad influence on RoI
football.
We have a domestic league that struggles to pay for itself. It gets very
little TV coverage;
its results get posted on the TV news after Old firm results or English
premiership results
and matches are played in tiny grounds, sometimes half empty.
In the meantime, half of Ireland supports Celtic (the other half supports
Man U; the remaining 3/4 is into Gaelic football and hurling). If the
Celtic supporters spent a fraction of what tey spend on jerseys and trips on
local league matches, it would have a big beneficial effect on Irish soccer.
As it is, we are in a vicious
circle of underfunded league sides and no mass support.
There are historical ties between the RoI ad Celtic but these days it is
just a big side full of expensive foreign players who play in green stripes.
It goes against instinct to say they are as bad as Rangers but I guess they
are now just mirror images of each other.
Whitewolf
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On 23 Jun 2004 05:40:45 -0700, mac...@eircom.net (Mike MacKinnon)
wrote:
Mike... Have you really thought this out? Imagine several
thousand fans at a match, many of them having had a beer or two before
the game being told after 5 mins that the game is canceled and they
are to go home... Don't you think this might inspire a riot?
Ray
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Robert Peffers
Three points from the team whose supporters are guilty and half the gate
money to a fund for coaching young players.
With the next Auld firm game at a neutral venue with the gate money going to
the owners of that venue.
Thus, in a rangers v Celtic game each team could lose three points and the
entire gate money go to a good cause.
John P. Mullen
cause I didn't make it.
John Mullen
John Mullen
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> Well, either there are two John Mullens Here, or this is a bogus post
> cause I didn't make it.
>
> John Mullen
The former. Please don't top post.
John Mullen
Helen Ramsay
post
> cause I didn't make it.
>
From: John Mullen (som...@microsoft.com)
Subject: Re: Italians!
View: Complete Thread (7 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: soc.culture.scottish
Date: 2004-06-23 15:21:42 PST
--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
--------------------------------------------
allan connochie
Oh my! This is going to get confusing. Something to be said for having a
rare name like Connochie.
Allan
Jim Stewart
"allan connochie" <al...@EASYNET.CO.UK> wrote in message
news:40da...@news.greennet.net...
But then perhaps my personality has split...
Jim Stewart
John P. Mullen
My full name is John Patrick Laurence Aloysuis Mullen.
How about John P. Mullen?
John P. Mullen
John, Mullen wrote:
>
> "allan connochie" <al...@EASYNET.CO.UK> wrote;
> >
> >"John Mullen" <som...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >news:2jv8n1F...@uni-berlin.de...
> >> "John P. Mullen" <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:40DA4F39...@zianet.com...
> >> > Well, either there are two John Mullens Here, or this is a bogus post
> >> > cause I didn't make it.
> >> >
> >> > John Mullen
> >>
> >> The former. Please don't top post.
> >>
> >> John Mullen
> >
> >Oh my! This is going to get confusing.
>
> "it's worse than that Jim"
>
> john Mullen III
>
> Tel. 123:)
John P. Mullen
Must be.
Actually, this is not too unusual. It appears that John Mullen is one
of those names that is fairly uncommon, but not that uncommon. When I
lived in Ames, IA (pop 50,000) there were four of us. Two of us worked
at the University. We were always swapping each other's mail.
In Hawaii, I made an appointment with a doctor. Came the time and they
called my name. As I got up, this red-headed guy got up too. We moved
to the counter, moving slightly sideways and looking slightly bewildered
as we eyed each other. Not only were we both John Mullen, but when the
second one of us called for the appointment, they though he was just
confirming.
At any rate, It looks like SCI's got at least two John Mullen's
I'll use John P. Mullen to (hopefully) avoid confusion.
:-)
John Mullen
Helen Ramsay wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Looks like there are two of you John :)
> <snip>
John P. Mullen
Well hello there! Looks like there are two of us. If that works for
you, I'll use John P. Mullen
John P. Mullen
John P. Mullen
Am I to understand there are three John Mullens here?
Well, Hi John. I'm going to go by John P., if that helps.
John P. Mullen
John, Mullen wrote:
>
> "allan connochie" <al...@EASYNET.CO.UK> wrote;
> >
> >"John Mullen" <som...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >news:2jv8n1F...@uni-berlin.de...
> >> "John P. Mullen" <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:40DA4F39...@zianet.com...
> >> > Well, either there are two John Mullens Here, or this is a bogus post
> >> > cause I didn't make it.
> >> >
> >> > John Mullen
> >>
> >> The former. Please don't top post.
> >>
> >> John Mullen
> >
> >Oh my! This is going to get confusing.
>
Jon P Mullen
> Well,
>
> My full name is John Patrick Laurence Aloysuis Mullen.
>
> How about John P. Mullen?
No, please don't.