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In article <18456610.3OR2fsqAJX@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>
>Dalai Lama hopes for a new era with Chinese President
>
>ANI
>
>SALUGARA, India, 30 March 2013
>
According to Brian Dunning, Da Lama is a fantastic fund-raiser who
regularly mesmerizes well-to-do folk to go line up before his cash
register to give him the money he craves by soothing his audience with
words like "hope" and "compassion".
He may not believe anything he says; but he knows what to say to bring
in the cash.
He could probably help his ignorant followers in Tibetans a bit, had
he not been constantly speaking with a forked tongue.
When he is doing the fund-raising such as these so-called seminars, he
makes positive gestures and mutters "hopeful", "hopeful". But when he
is not doing the fund-raising, he and his cohorts would constantly
emit sneering reference to Tibet as a land of occupation by the
Chinese, even though they have officially adopted the position that
China has sovereignty over Tibet. So, how should the government of
China interpret their words and therefore how can they take any of
their words seriously? It would be a waste time to negotiate with
such people, even if the Chinese government care very much to give
peace a chance and help out the Tibetan people, as it has always tried
in the past 60+ years!
I would know how to deal with the TGIE, even though I care deeply
about the Tibetan people's welfare.
I feel that the TGIE and FT crowd are constantly interfering with the
spirit of reconciliation and I feel that they are actually sabotaging
any effort to get the process of reconciliation started. I feel that
they are sabotaging and making obstructions to the process because
they want a Free Tibet - not a Middle Way type of autonomy, even
though Da Lama sees that it is a great cash cow, having seen how China
has been funding Hong Kong and Macau under that system.
It is therefore a waste of time for the Chinese government to
negotiate with Da Lama's representatives in exile, even on pragmatic
grounds. (Ideologically, it makes no sense to negotiate with the TGIE
people because they belong to a past system which has no place for
modern Tibetans and because they represent only about ten percents of
the overall Tibetan population, the vast majority of which live inside
China.)
As if a lack of credibility isn't enough to make anyone distrust them,
the TGIE/FT crowd created the ghastly fiasco of self-immolation and
blame the Chinese policy for it.
And for those who naively expect Da Lama to assert his spiritual
authority and influence, he, instead, cunningly gave the "no comment,
no comment" response to questions about why he wasn't doing more to
stop self-immolation, an act clearly contravene the tenet of the
original Buddha's teaching.
Furthermore, Da Lama these days typically claims that he is in
retirement when he is asked tough questions and then dodges them.
But as long as Tibetan Buddhism is so heavily immersed in politics and
power struggles - both against the Chinese government and rebellious
Tibetan Buddhist sects, which exist precisely because the theocratic
institution is fundamentally a political institution which exploits
religion for the nepotistic interests of the monks and landowners, the
engine which drives the Tibetan welfare is held back and stalled, even
if it has a chance to get started.
It is morally wrong for the Chinese government to deal with Da Lama
and his cohorts in exiles and the CCP knows it. If China wants to
raise its stature in commensurate with its economic achievement, it
can do a lot of things, such as getting more active in preventing
another western inspired regime change somewhere on this planet at any
particular moment and get more involved with helping the development
of impoverished countries in Africa, Asia, and Latin-America.
Getting involved with Da Lama and his cohorts, on the other hand, is
the poorest possible investment - an exercise in futility. China, of
course, will have to continue to raise the living standards of the
people in Tibet, just as all Chinese people who are part of the rural
population. When that job is well done, when millions of Tibetans
become well-educated and empowered, when the majority of them will no
longer be a bunch of non-productive consumer and arrogant trouble
makers, then the TGIE will be left to talk to themselves.
lo yeeOn
Dalai Lama: Savior, or Selfish Jerk?
Posted on May 14, 2012 by Brian Dunning
Brian Dunning:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2012/05/14/dalai-lama-savior-or-selfish-jerk/
So this week, the London bureau of CNN reported:
The Dalai Lama refused to answer a question Monday about whether
Tibetan monks should stop setting themselves on fire to protest
China's occupation of Tibet.
"No answer," he said, saying it was a sensitive political question
and that he had retired from politics.
What's going on is that Tibetan Buddhist monks have been killing
themselves via self-imolation, setting themselves on fire. It's about
the most horrific way to die imaginable.
The Dalai Lama - who has maintained his headquarters in India ever
since the 1959 escape from Chinese forces in Tibet - is today
basically a fundraiser. He is, in fact, probably the most successful
individual fundraiser in the world. His is the rallying cry of freeing
Tibet from Chinese occupation... so westerners seem to think.
All of the infrastructure that exists in Tibet was built by the
Chinese. Every paved road, every hospital, every school, and every
power plant (without exception) was built by the Chinese. Every single
paying job that exists in Tibet (without exception) was created by the
Chinese. Every literate native Tibetan (without exception) was
educated by the Chinese. The Chinese certainly have their faults, no
argument there; but the fact remains that Tibet exists as a nation of
free, working people only because of Chinese influence.
The Dalai Lama is keenly aware of that. His call is not for a "free
Tibet" as many westerners believe; it is for Tibet to be converted
from a Chinese Autonomous Region to a Chinese Special Administrative
Region, similar to Hong Kong. This difference would make not a single
practical difference to Tibetans; the only effect it would have would
be to allow the Dalai Lama and other exiled members of the ruling monk
class to return to their palace in Potala. It would ensure the
continued free flow of money from China to Tibet, and Tibet would
remain a part of China. There's not a thing wrong with the monks
returning to their palace, in my opinion. If ordinary Tibetans want
their traditional oppressors back in the palace as figureheads, great,
I'm all for it.
There's not a thing wrong with what the Dalai Lama campaigns for, or
with his fundraising - and here's where I want to be clear - so long
as he's honest about how the funds are going to be used. None of the
Dalai Lama's raised hundreds of millions of dollars that benefit
Tibetan citizens in the slightest. He gives most of it to unrelated
charities, and that's a fine thing; but his only prerogative in Tibet
is to get himself back to Potala. The Chinese already do everything
for the Tibetan citizenry; there is no work for the Dalai Lama to do
in that vein.
The rest of the money he raises go to his pet project: metaphysical
spirituality. In many ways, he's no different from Deepak Chopra;
except that instead of misstating quantum physics, he allows his
donors to misperceive his mission. The Dalai Lama is a highly
successful self-help and metaphysical author. He's written The Art of
Happiness: A Handbook for Living, How to Practice: The Way to a
Meaningful Life, How to See Yourself As You Really Are, The Dalai
Lama's Little Book of Inner Peace: The Essential Life and Teachings,
The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and
Spirituality (the most Deepak Chopra-like of his books), Becoming
Enlightened, Healing Anger: The Power of Patience from a Buddhist
Perspective, An Open Heart: Practicing Compassion in Everyday Life,
and dozens of others. He does not need your money.
There's nothing wrong with writing nonsensical metaphysical self-help
books, if that's what people want to buy. In fact, this week's news is
the only time I've had a real problem with the guy. And to me, it's a
big problem.
His followers are brutally killing themselves on his behalf, and his
only reaction is "No comment", followed by a lame excuse that he's
retired.
Why does he have no comment? Obviously, because his entire marketing
machine is driven by the perception that China's involvement in Tibet
is an atrocity. Every time a monk lights himself on fire, I guarantee
you that somewhere, the Dalai Lama's cash register's bell rings.
If asked for my comment on the deaths, 30 of them in the last year
alone, I'd say it's horrific and I wish they wouldn't do it, and
whoever is condoning it should be arrested. If I had influence over
them the way the Dalai Lama does, I'd have used the media opportunity
to appeal to all of them to stop doing that. Please. My return to
Potala is not worth your life.
Apparently, the Dalai Lama doesn't see it the way I do. For a
metaphysical self-help guru who wants you to find your inner peace and
happiness, his who-gives-a-shit reaction to his followers killing
themselves is pretty fucked up. Pardon my language, but swear words
are not nearly as atrocious as the Dalai Lama's "no comment". He might
as well have answered "Send me more money, and maybe they won't have
to keep doing that."
RMC = Ruling Monk Class
ORMC = Oppression from RMC
MCFA = Massive Chinese Financial Aid
XPLOS = Extreme Poverty from Lack of Support
RMCLIP = Ruling Monk Class Lives in Palace
Oppression Massive Extreme Monks in
by monks Chinese Poverty Palace
Financial
Aid
ORMC MCFA XPLOS RMCLIP
What Tibet Used to Be: yes no yes yes
(ignored) province
What Tibet is Now: no yes no no
(Chinese Autonomous Region)
What the Dalai Lama Wants: ??? yes no yes
(Chinese Special Adminstrative
Region like Hong Kong)
What Hollywood wants:
("Free Tibet") yes no yes yes
I've attached this infographic. No, I do not believe that Hollywood
celebrities and all the "Free Tibet" demonstrators want poverty and
oppression in Tibet; but if China's support was all suddenly pulled,
and every single Tibetan became unemployed and was forced to return to
serfdom, that's exactly what would happen, by necessity. Tibet has no
natural resources, no industries, and no economy whatsoever beyond
what China has imported. A free Tibet is a penniless Tibet, which is
why only those who know far less about the situation than the Dalai
Lama are demanding it.
For a far more detailed look into Tibet's complex history with
China, see my full Skeptoid episode about it here.
--------
By Daniel Burke
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON (RNS) The Dalai Lama is spending 10 days here leading an
elaborate Buddhist ritual designed to encourage compassion - exactly
the kind of peacenik advocacy we have come to expect from the
76-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner.
But while most of Tibet's 13 previous Dalai Lamas displayed similar
moral scruples, a few weren't quite so peaceable, or even very
monk-like at all.
Catholics may reluctantly recall instances of popes behaving
badly. But Tibetans don't draw bright moral lines between "good" and
"bad" Dalai Lamas, explained Robert Barnett, an expert on the history
of Tibet at Columbia University in New York.
"They are not judgmental about these differences," he said. "All are
considered necessary and valuable." And all are considered
reincarnations of Chenrezig, a kind of Buddhist saint dedicated to
saving others from delusion and suffering.
Just as the Buddha may be depicted as red with anger in one painting
and serene in another, Tibetans expect their lamas - . . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/dalai-lama_n_896500.html
>Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, on Friday hoped for a new
>era of reconciliation and peace with Chinese President Xi Jinping.
>
>The Dalai Lama said that the newly-elected Chinese President Xi
>Jinping represents a positive change.
>
>The Dalai Lama, who was in Salugara to give a three daylong sermon to
>the locals, said that he was optimistic of the new leadership and his
>dealings with the international community.
>
>"The last 10 years, there has been much change. And also, you see,
>Chinese conduct with outside world also has increased because of
>economic power. So, therefore the new reality, year by year, some new
>reality (is) coming," he said.
>
>"So, the leadership has to act according (to) new reality. So,
>therefore I think overall I am optimistic. Things are changing," he
>added.
>
>The Dalai Lama further said that China can take a significant
>constructive role in dealing with the global affairs.
>
>"Over 60 years, if you study carefully, there is much change. This
>change is the Chinese only interest. (With a) 1.3 billion population,
>the most populated nation, an economic power and also it is growing,"
>he said.
>
>"So, I think China can take significant constructive role on the
>planet. So in order to carry (the) constructive role more
>effectively, trust and respect from the rest of the world is very,
>very essential. For that reason, transparency is very, very crucial
>factor. Closed society is very harmful," he added.
>
>Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh, who met Xi Jinping on the sidelines
>of the BRICS Summit in Durban, South Africa, has termed his meeting
>with the Chinese President as "fruitful" and as a step in quest of
>practical pragmatic solutions to the pending issues between the two
>neighbouring countries.
>
>Praising the new Chinese leadership, Dr Singh said diverse pending
>issues between India and China would be addressed with good and
>mutual understanding with the objective of arriving at long-term
>solutions.
>
>"I got a distinct impression that the new Chinese leadership is as
>serious as the former Chinese leadership to promote good neighbourly
>relationship and to find practical, pragmatic solutions to
>outstanding issues between our two countries," he added
>
>Dr Singh also agreed to maintain and carry forward the historic ties
>with China.
>
>"We both agreed that the type of intimate exchanges that used to take
>place when President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao were holding
>their respective positions and both of us agreed that we should
>maintain similar relationship," he told media on board Air India One
>while returning last night from the BRICS summit that was held in
>Durban earlier this week.
>
>http://www.tibetsun.com/news/2013/03/30/dalai-lama-hopes-for-a-new-era-with-chinese-president
>
>--
>A beautiful song from Tibet
>I miss Dalai Lama
>http://youtu.be/_zo3kYvJr38
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>
>Dalai Lama hopes for a new era with Chinese President
>
>ANI
>
>SALUGARA, India, 30 March 2013
>
According to Brian Dunning, Da Lama is a fantastic fund-raiser who
regularly mesmerizes well-to-do folk to go line up before his cash
register to give him the money he craves by soothing his audience with
words like "hope" and "compassion".
He may not believe anything he says; but he knows what to say to bring
in the cash.
He could probably help his ignorant followers in Tibetans a bit, had
he not been constantly speaking with a forked tongue.
When he is doing the fund-raising such as these so-called seminars, he
makes positive gestures and mutters "hopeful", "hopeful". But when he
is not doing the fund-raising, he and his cohorts would constantly
emit sneering reference to Tibet as a land of occupation by the
Chinese, even though they have officially adopted the position that
China has sovereignty over Tibet. So, how should the government of
China interpret their words and therefore how can they take any of
their words seriously? It would be a waste time to negotiate with
such people, even if the Chinese government care very much to give
peace a chance and help out the Tibetan people, as it has always tried
in the past 60+ years!
I would know how to deal with the TGIE, even though I care deeply
about the Tibetan people's welfare.
I feel that the TGIE and FT crowd are constantly interfering with the
spirit of reconciliation and I feel that they are actually sabotaging
any effort to get the process of reconciliation started. I feel that
they are sabotaging and making obstructions to the process because
they want a Free Tibet - not a Middle Way type of autonomy, even
though Da Lama sees that it is a great cash cow, having seen how China
has been funding Hong Kong and Macau under that system.
It is therefore a waste of time for the Chinese government to
negotiate with Da Lama's representatives in exile, even on pragmatic
grounds. (Ideologically, it makes no sense to negotiate with the TGIE
people because they belong to a past system which has no place for
modern Tibetans and because they represent only about ten percents of
the overall Tibetan population, the vast majority of which live inside
China.)
As if a lack of credibility isn't enough to make anyone distrust them,
the TGIE/FT crowd created the ghastly fiasco of self-immolation and
blame the Chinese policy for it.
And for those who naively expect Da Lama to assert his spiritual
authority and influence, he, instead, cunningly gave the "no comment,
no comment" response to questions about why he wasn't doing more to
stop self-immolation, an act clearly contravene the tenet of the
original Buddha's teaching.
Furthermore, Da Lama these days typically claims that he is in
retirement when he is asked tough questions and then dodges them.
But as long as Tibetan Buddhism is so heavily immersed in politics and
power struggles - both against the Chinese government and rebellious
Tibetan Buddhist sects, which exist precisely because the theocratic
institution is fundamentally a political institution which exploits
religion for the nepotistic interests of the monks and landowners, the
engine which drives the Tibetan welfare is held back and stalled, even
if it has a chance to get started.
It is morally wrong for the Chinese government to deal with Da Lama
and his cohorts in exiles and the CCP knows it. If China wants to
raise its stature in commensurate with its economic achievement, it
can do a lot of things, such as getting more active in preventing
another western inspired regime change somewhere on this planet at any
particular moment and get more involved with helping the development
of impoverished countries in Africa, Asia, and Latin-America.
Getting involved with Da Lama and his cohorts, on the other hand, is
the poorest possible investment - an exercise in futility. China, of
course, will have to continue to raise the living standards of the
people in Tibet, just as all Chinese people who are part of the rural
population. When that job is well done, when millions of Tibetans
become well-educated and empowered, when the majority of them will no
longer be a bunch of non-productive consumer and arrogant trouble
makers, then the TGIE will be left to talk to themselves.
lo yeeOn
Dalai Lama: Savior, or Selfish Jerk?
Posted on May 14, 2012 by Brian Dunning
Brian Dunning:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2012/05/14/dalai-lama-savior-or-selfish-jerk/
So this week, the London bureau of CNN reported:
The Dalai Lama refused to answer a question Monday about whether
Tibetan monks should stop setting themselves on fire to protest
China's occupation of Tibet.
"No answer," he said, saying it was a sensitive political question
and that he had retired from politics.
What's going on is that Tibetan Buddhist monks have been killing
themselves via self-imolation, setting themselves on fire. It's about
the most horrific way to die imaginable.
The Dalai Lama - who has maintained his headquarters in India ever
since the 1959 escape from Chinese forces in Tibet - is today
basically a fundraiser. He is, in fact, probably the most successful
individual fundraiser in the world. His is the rallying cry of freeing
Tibet from Chinese occupation... so westerners seem to think.
All of the infrastructure that exists in Tibet was built by the
Chinese. Every paved road, every hospital, every school, and every
power plant (without exception) was built by the Chinese. Every single
paying job that exists in Tibet (without exception) was created by the
Chinese. Every literate native Tibetan (without exception) was
educated by the Chinese. The Chinese certainly have their faults, no
argument there; but the fact remains that Tibet exists as a nation of
free, working people only because of Chinese influence.
The Dalai Lama is keenly aware of that. His call is not for a "free
Tibet" as many westerners believe; it is for Tibet to be converted
from a Chinese Autonomous Region to a Chinese Special Administrative
Region, similar to Hong Kong. This difference would make not a single
practical difference to Tibetans; the only effect it would have would
be to allow the Dalai Lama and other exiled members of the ruling monk
class to return to their palace in Potala. It would ensure the
continued free flow of money from China to Tibet, and Tibet would
remain a part of China. There's not a thing wrong with the monks
returning to their palace, in my opinion. If ordinary Tibetans want
their traditional oppressors back in the palace as figureheads, great,
I'm all for it.
There's not a thing wrong with what the Dalai Lama campaigns for, or
with his fundraising - and here's where I want to be clear - so long
as he's honest about how the funds are going to be used. None of the
Dalai Lama's raised hundreds of millions of dollars that benefit
Tibetan citizens in the slightest. He gives most of it to unrelated
charities, and that's a fine thing; but his only prerogative in Tibet
is to get himself back to Potala. The Chinese already do everything
for the Tibetan citizenry; there is no work for the Dalai Lama to do
in that vein.
The rest of the money he raises go to his pet project: metaphysical
spirituality. In many ways, he's no different from Deepak Chopra;
except that instead of misstating quantum physics, he allows his
donors to misperceive his mission. The Dalai Lama is a highly
successful self-help and metaphysical author. He's written The Art of
Happiness: A Handbook for Living, How to Practice: The Way to a
Meaningful Life, How to See Yourself As You Really Are, The Dalai
Lama's Little Book of Inner Peace: The Essential Life and Teachings,
The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and
Spirituality (the most Deepak Chopra-like of his books), Becoming
Enlightened, Healing Anger: The Power of Patience from a Buddhist
Perspective, An Open Heart: Practicing Compassion in Everyday Life,
and dozens of others. He does not need your money.
There's nothing wrong with writing nonsensical metaphysical self-help
books, if that's what people want to buy. In fact, this week's news is
the only time I've had a real problem with the guy. And to me, it's a
big problem.
His followers are brutally killing themselves on his behalf, and his
only reaction is "No comment", followed by a lame excuse that he's
retired.
Why does he have no comment? Obviously, because his entire marketing
machine is driven by the perception that China's involvement in Tibet
is an atrocity. Every time a monk lights himself on fire, I guarantee
you that somewhere, the Dalai Lama's cash register's bell rings.
If asked for my comment on the deaths, 30 of them in the last year
alone, I'd say it's horrific and I wish they wouldn't do it, and
whoever is condoning it should be arrested. If I had influence over
them the way the Dalai Lama does, I'd have used the media opportunity
to appeal to all of them to stop doing that. Please. My return to
Potala is not worth your life.
Apparently, the Dalai Lama doesn't see it the way I do. For a
metaphysical self-help guru who wants you to find your inner peace and
happiness, his who-gives-a-shit reaction to his followers killing
themselves is pretty fucked up. Pardon my language, but swear words
are not nearly as atrocious as the Dalai Lama's "no comment". He might
as well have answered "Send me more money, and maybe they won't have
to keep doing that."
RMC = Ruling Monk Class
ORMC = Oppression from RMC
MCFA = Massive Chinese Financial Aid
XPLOS = Extreme Poverty from Lack of Support
RMCLIP = Ruling Monk Class Lives in Palace
Oppression Massive Extreme Monks in
by monks Chinese Poverty Palace
Financial
Aid
ORMC MCFA XPLOS RMCLIP
What Tibet Used to Be: yes no yes yes
(ignored) province
What Tibet is Now: no yes no no
(Chinese Autonomous Region)
What the Dalai Lama Wants: ??? yes no yes
(Chinese Special Adminstrative
Region like Hong Kong)
What Hollywood wants:
("Free Tibet") yes no yes yes
I've attached this infographic. No, I do not believe that Hollywood
celebrities and all the "Free Tibet" demonstrators want poverty and
oppression in Tibet; but if China's support was all suddenly pulled,
and every single Tibetan became unemployed and was forced to return to
serfdom, that's exactly what would happen, by necessity. Tibet has no
natural resources, no industries, and no economy whatsoever beyond
what China has imported. A free Tibet is a penniless Tibet, which is
why only those who know far less about the situation than the Dalai
Lama are demanding it.
For a far more detailed look into Tibet's complex history with
China, see my full Skeptoid episode about it here.
--------
By Daniel Burke
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON (RNS) The Dalai Lama is spending 10 days here leading an
elaborate Buddhist ritual designed to encourage compassion - exactly
the kind of peacenik advocacy we have come to expect from the
76-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner.
But while most of Tibet's 13 previous Dalai Lamas displayed similar
moral scruples, a few weren't quite so peaceable, or even very
monk-like at all.
Catholics may reluctantly recall instances of popes behaving
badly. But Tibetans don't draw bright moral lines between "good" and
"bad" Dalai Lamas, explained Robert Barnett, an expert on the history
of Tibet at Columbia University in New York.
"They are not judgmental about these differences," he said. "All are
considered necessary and valuable." And all are considered
reincarnations of Chenrezig, a kind of Buddhist saint dedicated to
saving others from delusion and suffering.
Just as the Buddha may be depicted as red with anger in one painting
and serene in another, Tibetans expect their lamas - . . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/dalai-lama_n_896500.html
>Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, on Friday hoped for a new
>era of reconciliation and peace with Chinese President Xi Jinping.
>
>The Dalai Lama said that the newly-elected Chinese President Xi
>Jinping represents a positive change.
>
>The Dalai Lama, who was in Salugara to give a three daylong sermon to
>the locals, said that he was optimistic of the new leadership and his
>dealings with the international community.
>
>"The last 10 years, there has been much change. And also, you see,
>Chinese conduct with outside world also has increased because of
>economic power. So, therefore the new reality, year by year, some new
>reality (is) coming," he said.
>
>"So, the leadership has to act according (to) new reality. So,
>therefore I think overall I am optimistic. Things are changing," he
>added.
>
>The Dalai Lama further said that China can take a significant
>constructive role in dealing with the global affairs.
>
>"Over 60 years, if you study carefully, there is much change. This
>change is the Chinese only interest. (With a) 1.3 billion population,
>the most populated nation, an economic power and also it is growing,"
>he said.
>
>"So, I think China can take significant constructive role on the
>planet. So in order to carry (the) constructive role more
>effectively, trust and respect from the rest of the world is very,
>very essential. For that reason, transparency is very, very crucial
>factor. Closed society is very harmful," he added.
>
>Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh, who met Xi Jinping on the sidelines
>of the BRICS Summit in Durban, South Africa, has termed his meeting
>with the Chinese President as "fruitful" and as a step in quest of
>practical pragmatic solutions to the pending issues between the two
>neighbouring countries.
>
>Praising the new Chinese leadership, Dr Singh said diverse pending
>issues between India and China would be addressed with good and
>mutual understanding with the objective of arriving at long-term
>solutions.
>
>"I got a distinct impression that the new Chinese leadership is as
>serious as the former Chinese leadership to promote good neighbourly
>relationship and to find practical, pragmatic solutions to
>outstanding issues between our two countries," he added
>
>Dr Singh also agreed to maintain and carry forward the historic ties
>with China.
>
>"We both agreed that the type of intimate exchanges that used to take
>place when President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao were holding
>their respective positions and both of us agreed that we should
>maintain similar relationship," he told media on board Air India One
>while returning last night from the BRICS summit that was held in
>Durban earlier this week.
>
>http://www.tibetsun.com/news/2013/03/30/dalai-lama-hopes-for-a-new-era-with-chinese-president
>
>--
>A beautiful song from Tibet
>I miss Dalai Lama
>http://youtu.be/_zo3kYvJr38
lo yeeOn
Apr 1, 2013, 1:04:01 AM4/1/13
to
In article <18456610.3OR2fsqAJX@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>
>Dalai Lama hopes for a new era with Chinese President
>
>ANI
>
>SALUGARA, India, 30 March 2013
>
According to Brian Dunning, Da Lama is a fantastic fund-raiser who
regularly mesmerizes well-to-do folk to go line up before his cash
register to give him the money he craves by soothing his audience with
words like "hope" and "compassion".
He may not believe anything he says; but he knows what to say to bring
in the cash.
He could probably help his ignorant followers in Tibetans a bit, had
he not been constantly speaking with a forked tongue.
When he is doing the fund-raising such as these so-called seminars, he
makes positive gestures and mutters "hopeful", "hopeful". But when he
is not doing the fund-raising, he and his cohorts would constantly
emit sneering reference to Tibet as a land of occupation by the
Chinese, even though they have officially adopted the position that
China has sovereignty over Tibet. So, how should the government of
China interpret their words and therefore how can they take any of
their words seriously? It would be a waste time to negotiate with
such people, even if the Chinese government care very much to give
peace a chance and help out the Tibetan people, as it has always tried
in the past 60+ years!
I wouldn't know how to deal with the TGIE, even though I care deeply
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
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>Dalai Lama hopes for a new era with Chinese President
>
>ANI
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>SALUGARA, India, 30 March 2013
>
According to Brian Dunning, Da Lama is a fantastic fund-raiser who
regularly mesmerizes well-to-do folk to go line up before his cash
register to give him the money he craves by soothing his audience with
words like "hope" and "compassion".
He may not believe anything he says; but he knows what to say to bring
in the cash.
He could probably help his ignorant followers in Tibetans a bit, had
he not been constantly speaking with a forked tongue.
When he is doing the fund-raising such as these so-called seminars, he
makes positive gestures and mutters "hopeful", "hopeful". But when he
is not doing the fund-raising, he and his cohorts would constantly
emit sneering reference to Tibet as a land of occupation by the
Chinese, even though they have officially adopted the position that
China has sovereignty over Tibet. So, how should the government of
China interpret their words and therefore how can they take any of
their words seriously? It would be a waste time to negotiate with
such people, even if the Chinese government care very much to give
peace a chance and help out the Tibetan people, as it has always tried
in the past 60+ years!
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In article <18456610.3OR2fsqAJX@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>
>Dalai Lama hopes for a new era with Chinese President
>
>ANI
>
>SALUGARA, India, 30 March 2013
>
According to Brian Dunning, Da Lama is a fantastic fund-raiser who
regularly mesmerizes well-to-do folk to go line up before his cash
register to give him the money he craves by soothing his audience with
words like "hope" and "compassion".
He may not believe anything he says; but he knows what to say to bring
in the cash.
He could probably help his ignorant followers in Tibetans a bit, had
he not been constantly speaking with a forked tongue.
When he is doing the fund-raising such as these so-called seminars, he
makes positive gestures and mutters "hopeful", "hopeful". But when he
is not doing the fund-raising, he and his cohorts constantly emit
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>
>Dalai Lama hopes for a new era with Chinese President
>
>ANI
>
>SALUGARA, India, 30 March 2013
>
According to Brian Dunning, Da Lama is a fantastic fund-raiser who
regularly mesmerizes well-to-do folk to go line up before his cash
register to give him the money he craves by soothing his audience with
words like "hope" and "compassion".
He may not believe anything he says; but he knows what to say to bring
in the cash.
He could probably help his ignorant followers in Tibetans a bit, had
he not been constantly speaking with a forked tongue.
When he is doing the fund-raising such as these so-called seminars, he
makes positive gestures and mutters "hopeful", "hopeful". But when he
sneering references to Tibet as a land of occupation by the Chinese,
even though they have officially adopted the position that China has
sovereignty over Tibet. So, how should the government of China
interpret their words and therefore how can they take any of their
words seriously? It would be a waste time to negotiate with such
people, even though the Chinese government cares very much to give
sovereignty over Tibet. So, how should the government of China
interpret their words and therefore how can they take any of their
words seriously? It would be a waste time to negotiate with such
peace a chance and help out the Tibetan people, as it has always tried
in the past 60+ years!
I wouldn't know how to deal with the TGIE, even though I care deeply
about the Tibetan people's welfare.
I feel that the TGIE and FT crowd are constantly interfering with the
spirit of reconciliation and I feel that they are actually sabotaging
any effort to get the process of reconciliation started. I feel that
they are sabotaging and making obstructions to the process because
they want a Free Tibet - not a Middle Way type of autonomy, even
though Da Lama sees that it is a great cash cow, having seen how China
has been funding Hong Kong and Macau under that system.
It is therefore a waste of time for the Chinese government to
negotiate with Da Lama's representatives in exile, even on pragmatic
grounds. (Ideologically, it makes no sense to negotiate with the TGIE
people because they belong to a past system which has no place for
modern Tibetans and because they represent only about ten percent of
in the past 60+ years!
I wouldn't know how to deal with the TGIE, even though I care deeply
about the Tibetan people's welfare.
I feel that the TGIE and FT crowd are constantly interfering with the
spirit of reconciliation and I feel that they are actually sabotaging
any effort to get the process of reconciliation started. I feel that
they are sabotaging and making obstructions to the process because
they want a Free Tibet - not a Middle Way type of autonomy, even
though Da Lama sees that it is a great cash cow, having seen how China
has been funding Hong Kong and Macau under that system.
It is therefore a waste of time for the Chinese government to
negotiate with Da Lama's representatives in exile, even on pragmatic
grounds. (Ideologically, it makes no sense to negotiate with the TGIE
people because they belong to a past system which has no place for
the overall Tibetan population, the vast majority of which live inside
China.)
As if a lack of credibility isn't enough to make anyone distrust them,
the TGIE/FT crowd created the ghastly fiasco of self-immolation and
blame the Chinese policy for it.
And for those who naively expect Da Lama to assert his spiritual
authority and influence, he, instead, cunningly gave the "no comment,
no comment" response to questions about why he wasn't doing more to
stop self-immolation, an act clearly contravening the tenets of the
China.)
As if a lack of credibility isn't enough to make anyone distrust them,
the TGIE/FT crowd created the ghastly fiasco of self-immolation and
blame the Chinese policy for it.
And for those who naively expect Da Lama to assert his spiritual
authority and influence, he, instead, cunningly gave the "no comment,
no comment" response to questions about why he wasn't doing more to
original Buddha's teaching.
Furthermore, Da Lama these days typically claims that he is in
retirement when he is asked tough questions and then dodges them.
But as long as Tibetan Buddhism is so heavily immersed in politics and
power struggles - both against the Chinese government and rebellious
Tibetan Buddhist sects, which exist precisely because the theocratic
institution is fundamentally a political institution which exploits
religion for the nepotistic interests of the monks and landowners, the
engine which drives the Tibetan welfare is held back and stalled, even
if it has a chance to get started.
It is morally wrong for the Chinese government to deal with Da Lama
and his cohorts in exiles and the CCP knows it. If China wants to
raise its stature in commensurate with its economic achievement, it
can do a lot of things, such as getting more active in preventing
another western inspired regime change somewhere on this planet at any
particular moment and get more involved with helping the development
of impoverished countries in Africa, Asia, and Latin-America.
Getting involved with Da Lama and his cohorts, on the other hand, is
the poorest possible investment - an exercise in futility. China, of
course, will have to continue to raise the living standards of the
people in Tibet, just as all Chinese people who are part of the rural
population. When that job is well done, when millions of Tibetans
become well-educated and empowered, when the majority of them will no
longer be a bunch of non-productive consumers and arrogant trouble
Furthermore, Da Lama these days typically claims that he is in
retirement when he is asked tough questions and then dodges them.
But as long as Tibetan Buddhism is so heavily immersed in politics and
power struggles - both against the Chinese government and rebellious
Tibetan Buddhist sects, which exist precisely because the theocratic
institution is fundamentally a political institution which exploits
religion for the nepotistic interests of the monks and landowners, the
engine which drives the Tibetan welfare is held back and stalled, even
if it has a chance to get started.
It is morally wrong for the Chinese government to deal with Da Lama
and his cohorts in exiles and the CCP knows it. If China wants to
raise its stature in commensurate with its economic achievement, it
can do a lot of things, such as getting more active in preventing
another western inspired regime change somewhere on this planet at any
particular moment and get more involved with helping the development
of impoverished countries in Africa, Asia, and Latin-America.
Getting involved with Da Lama and his cohorts, on the other hand, is
the poorest possible investment - an exercise in futility. China, of
course, will have to continue to raise the living standards of the
people in Tibet, just as all Chinese people who are part of the rural
population. When that job is well done, when millions of Tibetans
become well-educated and empowered, when the majority of them will no
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