Big surprise, Utah gunman was a muslim.
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
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HOMELAND INSECURITY
Utah gunman, 18, was Muslim from Bosnia
Killed 5 in crowded shopping mall before being gunned down
The 18-year-old gunman who killed five people in a crowded Utah
shopping mall was a Bosnian Muslim refugee who was prepared to kill
many more, say investigators.
An off-duty police officer having an early Valentine's Day dinner with
his wife was credited today with cornering Sulejmen Talovic,
exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived to shoot and
kill the gunman.
The trench-coated teenager wanted to "to kill a large number of
people" and probably would have killed many more if not for the off-
duty officer, Police Chief Chris Burbank said.
A friend said Talovic was from the war-torn country of Bosnia and that
the trauma he experienced while growing up may have led to him
snapping for some reason.
Ken Hammond, an off-duty officer from Ogden, north of Salt Lake City,
jumped up from his seat at a restaurant after hearing gunfire and
cornered the gunman, exchanging fire with him until other officers
arrived, Burbank said.
"There is no question that his quick actions saved the lives of
numerous other people," the police chief said.
Police said it was not immediately clear who fired the shot that
killed Talovic.
Talovic had a backpack full of ammunition, a shotgun and a .38-caliber
pistol, police said. Investigators knew little about Talovic, except
than he lived in Salt Lake City with his mother, the chief said. He
was enrolled in numerous city schools before withdrawing in 2004, the
school district said. Initially, police refused to release his name or
any information about his background.
Talovic drove to the Trolley Square shopping center - a century-old
former trolley barn with winding hallways, brick floors and wrought-
iron balconies, and immediately killed two people, followed by a third
victim as he came through a door, Burbank said. Five other people were
then shot in a gift shop, he said.
Four people who were wounded remained hospitalized today, two in
critical condition, two in serious.
Outside the mall, candles and flowers were left as memorials to the
victims.
Hammond's boss, Ogden Police Chief Jon Greiner, said the state Senate
wants to honor him.
"Thank goodness he was there," said Greiner, who is also a state
senator. "You don't want to ever say it's good we were there and
killed somebody, but it's probably good someone was there."
Accountant Jeff Barlow was on a date at a restaurant when he looked
outside and saw the gunman firing from the hip.
"I thought it was some kind of joke - some kind of movie or stunt,"
Barlow said. "I didn't believe it was happening. And then I saw a man
go down in a courtyard. I realized this was serious. These are real
bullets flying around."
David Dean, who owns a greeting-card store at the mall, said three or
four people died inside his store, which was packed with Valentine's
Day shoppers.
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If you're a muslim then it's ok to kill infidels and if you die in the
process you get to automatically go to heaven(doesn't matter if they
are good or bad).
http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/noble/nobe047.htm
It's ok to kill all pegans....
http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/noble/nobe009.htm
.....It's also ok to kill other muslims....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
....And then it's ok to lie about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
Slavery is ok...It's also ok to rape your slaves
http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/noble/nobe023.htm
John Q. Public II
Well, at least one more of the primitive, savage Muslims is dead.
Muslims are such lowlifes.
TimeTraveller
people in schools, office buildings, et al - this guy was the *only*
one who was a Muslim. So the other psychos - who were doubtless
Christians - or at least were raised in a Christian society - were
also primitive and savage, don't forget.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want Muslims in this country - I dislike
their religeon and wish their women would rise up and kill their
oppressors - but it's not like Christians are any better when it comes
to killing innocent people.
Zeno
primitives with fire" <messi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The trench-coated teenager wanted to "to kill a large number of
>people" and probably would have killed many more if not for the off-
>duty officer, Police Chief Chris Burbank said.
Yet another example of a muslim bringing shame to other muslims...
John Q. Public II
wrote:
No, you're hung up on the misconception that the USA is a Christian
society. It isn't. I've lived in it for my entire life and very little
of the country is run by anyone who is a fanatic about religion of any
kind. This is not so with Muslims. Every Muslim is a fanatic. They are
indoctrinated like Zombies to do whatever is necessary to convert non-
Muslims to Islam. Murder, rape, carnage, they don't care. If you can
be intimidated to join the Islamic faith, anything is ok to do with
that as the end result.
This madman evidently got his buttons pushed because he was a failure
at his Islamic duty. He was angry at every US citizen because he
wasn't able to convert anyone to his blood thirsty religion.
Joe King
"TimeTraveller" <Gastropo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171475133.4...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Anyone can be possessed by Allah and thus do evil deeds. The only
difference is that Muslims willingly open themselves to be possessed.
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pls_e...@yahoo.com
Who was lying Mohammed or Jesus?
Read the followings to know the truth:
Dear Jane,
You wrote saying:
"I wish people would become more educated"
My comment:
Yes, I would agree with you if people are educated truthfully,
BUT when people are being educated with a false religion lied
about by a false prophet, Mohammed, then this religion
will NOT ONLY lead many muslims to hell, but create havoc
for all people; and henceforth Muslims must learn
to know the TRUE ALLAH.
Muslims must be educated about the True Allah as follows:
Muslims are not stupid for they have the knowledge
of Islam but only lacks understanding of the Truth of God.
Hence with love for the sincere Muslims seeking
the True Allah, I am posting the truth of God so that
all SINCERE Muslims will know the True Allah and will go to
Heaven after the life on earth.
Here is the knowledge with understanding as follows:
Question:
Why Islamists are killing Muslims and
others of other faith?
Islam allows its believers to lie BY EXERCISING
TAQIYA - WHICH IS LYING ALLOWED IN ISLAM
TO ITS BELIEVERS, THE ISLAMISTS
when propagating the Message of Allah,
hence Islam is not of Allah; for The True Allah
never lie or would allow His believers to lie
when propagating The Message of the True Allah.
If lying is allowed in a religion that claims to be true,
then that religion has no truth of God
for how could lying to be allowed in the truthfulness
of a religion that is true?
The sayings of Mohammed's have been verified
as falsehood and substantiated as falsehood
by the following facts:
1]. Mohammed lied that Allah sent him as
the last messenger, BUT MOHAMMED DID
NOT HAVE THE 4 EYE-WITNESSES REQUIRED
IN SURA 24:13; and Allah call Mohammed A LIAR;
2]. Mohammed also lied that Allah has given
the Muslims, the COVENANT OF ABRAHAM AND
ISMAIL. A covenant is an agreement between God
and its believers AND THE AGREEMENT MUST
HAVE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, but the Islamic
Covenant of Abraham and Ismail is EMPTY
(without terms and conditions) that is without
the laws of God namely the laws of Moses.
Hence, Islam without the Law of God of which is
THE LAWS OF MOSES OF THE 6TH COMMANDMENT
OF THE TRUE ALLAH "Thou shall not kill" causes
the Islamic world havoc through THE KILLINGS OF
MUSLIMS BY MUSLIMS in Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine,
lebanon, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia;
AND THE KILLINGS OF THE "INFIDELS"
WHEN BURNING AND BOMBING CHURCHES
just to name a few.
AND for such sins, God is punishing the such
Islamic countries that do not condemn the evil acts
of these Islamists by sending Tsunami and earthquake
after earthquake affecting Islamic countries:Pakistan,
Afghanistan, and Indonesia of which death toll
accounted Muslims as 90 percent of the dead;
3]. Mohammed also lied that he was an Arab
as well as a Hebrew. How could Mohammed have
2 different Fathers to enable him to be an Arab
as well as a Hebrew being the descendant of Ismail?
MOREOVER, THE FATHER OF ALL ARABS IS
QAHTAN
and
THE FATHER OF ALL HEBREWS/ISRAELITES IS
ABRAHAM!!!
4]. Mohammed also lie that a day's fast is only 12 hours
when a day is of 24 hours. No other religion tell its
believers to consider a day's fast is of 12 hours as these
priests were/are educated and thus know that a day is
of 24 hours and not 12 hours, BUT MOHAMMED WAS
UNEDUCATED AND HENCE MOHAMMED
ERRONEOUSLY THINK A DAY AS DAYLIGHT OF 12
HOURS BEING ILLITERATE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
SO. The True Allah, if He had indeed sent Mohammed
as the last messenger, would have told Mohammed a
day's fast is of 24 hours, right? and
5]. Another lie by Mohammed - Taqiya was introduced
by Mohammed mainly because Mohammed lied so much
that he needed Taqiya to justify his lies to his followers -
the Muslims.
Because Islam is false, the wicked one - who greed for
power by usurping authority to rule for self-interest - can
manipulate the Islamic law for self-gain easily, and
the lustful one can be easily manipulated and tricked
into becoming martyr with the promise of the 72 virgins
by the wicked Islamists to help them usurp authority,
and all these done taking the name of the Islamic Allah.
Hence, it explains why these Islamists kill their own
fellow Muslims as well as others of other faith just to
to attain successful usurping: these Islamists would
never be martyrs themselves for history of Islamic
terrorism speaks the truth of it for none of these leading
Islamists have had been martyred.
Read the followings for better understanding of the truth
of the falsehood of Islam:
Though there are similarities with Christianity and Judaism,
Muslims are definitely worshipping a False Allah because
they use a Quran that is false for it has not the Law of God
even though it has the Covenant of Abraham and Ismail.
How could the Quran be true when it has
AN EMPTY COVENANT lacking the Law of God namely
the laws of Moses???
Islam has not LAW of God namely the laws of Moses, and
therefore my explanation is not garbage. Take for instance,
the Islamic law on Khalwat (adultery) as follows:
The Islamists will use the Islamic laws on adultery
discriminately because the Islamic laws are not based on
the Law of God which was given to Israel known as
the Covenant of Abraham namely the laws of Moses to
guide them on righteousness. Because the Islamic laws
are not of the Law of God, Islamists will be able to make
illegal use of the erroneous laws:
SOME for pride that they are doing the will of Allah and
yet, in realtiy, the Islamic Allah cannot speak to the Muslims
who will be perpetual ignorant of the truth that if the Islamic
Allah cannot speak, how then can the Muslims know
the will of Allah personally;
SOME for lusts;
SOME for money, and etc consequently.
The Muslims must first understand the knowledge of the fact that
their
Islamic prophet, Mohammed who had more than 11 wives - at the age of
54
- married a 6 years old baby girl
named Aisha who was old enough to be Mohammed's great, great,
granddaughter without mentioning the fact that Mohammed's first wife
Khatijah,40 - whom Mohammed married
when he was 25- could be Mohammed's mother, then will the Muslims
have
better
understanding of the law on morality based on the laws of Moses OF
THE
BIBLE of which in respect of marriage FOR THE LAW OF THE TRUE ALLAH
never ever sanctify
a marriage of a man WITH a woman who was older enough to be the man's
mother or
the marriage of the same man WITH a woman who was young enough to be
the man's great,
great grand daughter!
Read the followings for better understanding:
02nov06
Dear Jane,
You wrote: 'New Covenant changes everything??? OMG, but moslems have
always used the Old Covenant to justify their evil. What are they
going
to now?' in reply to my previous posting'
My reply:
Moslems not only use in the spirit of error the Old Covenant, they
also
use the New Covenant especially on the book of relevation erroneously
because MOHAMMED- being an illiterate could only copy phonetically
(by
hearing) since he, Mohammed, could not read and write - HAD COPIED
from the sermons preached in the church and by evangelists INTO THE
QURAN - a false holy book by memorising. Unbelievable because all
ancient prophets were educated, and all quranic prophets were Hebrews
and Christians: NONE ARABIC!
For the Israelites and the Christians, the New Covenant is not
according to the Old Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:32, BUT
MOHAMMED
BEING A FALSE PROPHET HAD USED THE NAME OF ALLAH IN VAIN WHEN HE
CHANGED THE WORD OF GOD TO MEET HIS DESIRES. Accordingly to the Quran
and Haddith, one will know why.
Hence, the followings explain why the QURAN IS FALSE HOLY BOOK; for
it
has:
1). No genealogy to show the ancestors of Mohammed who claims to be
an
Arab as well as a Hebrew being the descendant of Ishmael, a
Hebrew.One
wonders how one could have 2 Fathers giving rise to 2 races: Arab and
Hebrew race?
2). No chronology to show the sequential relationship between God and
the human race from creation to the last messenger, and ESPECIALLY
the
sequential events as to when Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed;
3). No witness to testify that Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed since
he
was in a cave; hence Mohammed had not the 4 witnesses to subtantiate
his sayings as true as required by sura 24:13; EYE-WITNESSING IS
IMPERATIVE in the case of substantiating THE TRUTH of the sayings of
the LAST MESSENGER, Mohammed: even in the case of rape, 4 witnesses
are
required.
4). No incident of conversation between God and the ancient prophets
including Mohammed, the LAST MESSENGER since Mohammed said that he
was
the LAST PROPHET thereby depriving the truth from those - who believe
his sayings - that Allah can converse with all races;
5). No teaching of righteousness of God as the Quran has a EMPTY
Abrahamic Covenant because the Quran HAS NO LAW OF GOD namely the
laws
of Moses, and hence it explains why Muslims are not only killing
themselves but among themselves:for they are all lawless, and
unrighteous!
6). The Quran does not define what sin is like the Bible does, and if
Muslims do not know what sin is, how do Muslims repent of their
sins?;
7). No prophecy of the ancient prophets mentioned in the Quran: how
could the Quran have prophets that had no prophecy - unbelievable;
8). No prophecy that Mohammed was to be born as the last messenger by
any quranic prophet simply because the Quran had no prophecy at all
IN
THIS ASPECT; and NONE OF THE QURANIC PROPHETS WERE Arabic!
9). Finally, Mohammed had more than 11 wives and one of them was a 6
years old baby girl named Aisha whom Mohammed married when he was 54.
If Mohammed had married 6 years old Aisha when he was 9, then we can
agree to it as Islamic Moral Tradition, but when Mohammed was 54 at
the
time of marriage???
10). And many more other falsehoods in the Quran and Haddiths.
Muslims
need to read well the Quran and Haddith in order to know the truth of
the falsehood of Islam.
And, I surmise that you asked: 'where are they going to now?' They,
the
Muslims, who believe in the false prophet Mohammed are NOT going to
Heaven unless they, the Muslims, pray for wisdom to believe in The
True
Prophet, Jesus - the Son of God.
If you had asked; 'What are they going to do now', then my answer is
that a number of ISLAMISTS from among the Muslims - who do not really
read the Quran well to understand the truth of Quran and the truth of
the Bible- are going to make war and war by getting rid first of
Muslim
Kings and Muslim Presidents of all Muslim countries to establish the
Islamic power; for the Islamists believe that only the Islamic Caliph
should rule as the Islamic leader of a country.
Prophetically, It is mentioned by Jesus there would be wars and
commotions, and rumours of war in the gospels:Matthew 24:6,Mark 13:7
and Luke 21:9, before the final war where Satan will be casted into
the
lake of fire where the beast and his THE FALSE PROPHET are in the
book
of revelation (20:10) of the bible.
Actually, believing in the Unholy Book of Satan or believing in the
Holy Book of God - The Bible - depends on one's heart. If one heart
is
sincere, one will believe in the True Allah of Jesus whereas if one's
heart is insincere, one will believe in Satan; for Satan knows how to
lie to deceive its believers who are foolish enough to believe in the
foolishness of the religion propagated by the false LAST MESSENGER
without verifying the sayings of the last messenger.
But wisdom is given by the True Allah; for the True God says TO THE
CHRISTIANS in Proverb 2:6 ' For the Lord gives wisdom: out of His
mouth
comes KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING. Hence, Christians will never be
deceived by the falsehood of a false prophet because of having the
wisdom to authenticate the truth of a false religion by verifying the
sayings of the last messenger as mentioned above from 1 to 9.
07Nov06
Dear Jane,
You wrote asking:
So the Christian believe that with the New Covenant, the Ten
Commandments are now invalid,
and can we know which are the new covenants and which are the old
covenants?
My answer:
According to Jeremiah 31:31-32, it says: ' The New Covenant is not
according to the Old Covenant... AND NOT THAT THE OLD COVENANT IS
INVALID'. Hence, the Ten Commandment is still valid as long as when
the
Law is OF GRACE, and Law that is NOT OF GRACE is done away like the
commandment to Keep the Sabbath Holy, and FORBIDDING OF THE EATING OF
PORK. Hence, The New Covenant OF GRACE takes away the Old Covenant OF
LAW forbidding the eating of pork as mentioned in Isaiah 65:4 and
66:17.
Regarding which are the new covenants and which are the old
covenants,
you should read the book of Matthew 15:1-20, where Jesus taught on
the
difference between the New Covenant of Grace and the Old Covenant of
Law; and
regarding THE EATING OF PORK BY CHRISTIANS, from Matthew 1:15-20
Jesus
SPEAKS OF WHAT one eats will be passed out as excrement and will not
defile one's body; but what really defiles one is what comes out of
one's mouth: evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, false
witnessing(lies) and blasphemies.
Actually, as a Christian, I do not eat pork, but I do eat if I felt
like eating; for I now know I am under the Law of Grace covered by
the
New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31-34 instituted by Jesus as
the
Sacrificial Lamb of God, BUT I AM MORE MINDFUL OF WHAT I WILL SPEAK
NOWADAYS.
The New Covenant is fully detailed in the New Testament of the Bible,
and Jane you can read it to find out the difference between the New
and
the Covenant. Before you read, pray to God for wisdom to understand
the
knowledge of the truth of the Bible, and not forgetting to confess
your
sins for better understanding!
Amen.
Gary Rumain
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> And of all the psychos that have gone "postal" and killed innocent
> people in schools, office buildings, et al - this guy was the *only*
> one who was a Muslim. So the other psychos - who were doubtless
> Christians - or at least were raised in a Christian society - were
> also primitive and savage, don't forget.
You seem to be confused. xians don't kill in the name of their religion.
The ones you point too could well have been atheists, agnostics
or satanists.
You also seem to forget Malvo and Mohammad. And the 9/11 mass murderers.
> Don't get me wrong - I don't want Muslims in this country - I dislike
> their religeon and wish their women would rise up and kill their
> oppressors - but it's not like Christians are any better when it comes
> to killing innocent people.
Wrong again. Show us where xianity mandates killing in the name of
Jebus. Then show us where pislam does! lol!
Gary the mighty Yaako warrior.
John Q. Public II
> >No, you're hung up on the misconception that the USA is a Christian
> >society. It isn't. I've lived in it for my entire life and very little
> >of the country is run by anyone who is a fanatic about religion of any
> >kind.
>
> Only the White House and the current administration eh?.
>
> George Bush talks to God regularly, it would appear, and he seems to
> be pretty sure God's been talking to him too.
> Theocracy here, theocracy there. Soon one god or another will be in
> charge everywhere.
What bullshit. You're a total idiot if you really believe the crap
that you post.
"Talking to God" is a line that all religous people use to mean when
they pray to whichever version of supreme being they do. You know
this, and yet you grasp at the Presidents word usage like a 10 year
old little girl. Do you stick your fingers in your ears and wiggle
them while shouting NAH-NAH-NAH-NAH-NAH?
Your argument is so lame, it's even benieth you.
You can go into any church in the entire world and hear people saying
that they "talk to God". It's not meant to be taken literally, you
dumbass.
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
I have to agree with John: It's(Bush's God talk) not meant to be taken
literally and you just show your bias when say otherwise.
Terrorist Killer
>On 15 Feb 2007 03:20:12 -0800, "John Q. Public II"
>The words speak for themselves. No amount of weaseling alters them
Well then, you've convinced me that you are indeed an idiot.
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
>
Not really.
>
> suprising you didn't know.
Sry, I don't spend my time reading the gaurdian, code pinks, micheal
moore, etc.
>
> >I have to agree with John:
>
> :)
Yes, I imagine with your obvious bias a lot of people disagree with
you.
>
> >It's(Bush's God talk) not meant to be taken
> >literally and you just show your bias when say otherwise.
>
Those with Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Terrorist Killer
>On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:54:14 -0500, Terrorist Killer <Ye...@right.com>
>wrote:
>You can convince yourself of anything.
>More knowledgeable folk know you only show your ignorance.
No, I said it correctly the first time. You're an idiot.
Your idiotic method of interpretation shows that it is YOU, not I,
that is the fool.
Your knowledge of what a President deals with each and every day is
obviously very limited. Go read your action novels and believe them.
People like you are humorous.
Terrorist Killer
>On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:17:53 -0500, Terrorist Killer <Ye...@right.com>
>Really?
Yes, really. I'm actually embarrassed for you.
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
> On 16 Feb 2007 05:33:47 -0800, "Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the
>
> >> not at all it's public record and aws front page news,
> >Not really.
>
> >> suprising you didn't know.
> >Sry, I don't spend my time reading the gaurdian, code pinks, micheal
> >moore, etc.
>
I am beginning to think you are a muslim...because only a muslim would
think that quoting Jews adds weight to a bs story he is presenting to
infidels. Are you a muslim mod? Don't worry, I don't expect you to say
yes, no muslims do, they are to ashamed.
>
> >> >I have to agree with John:
>
> >> now there's a suprise.
> >> :)
> >Yes, I imagine with your obvious bias a lot of people disagree with
> >you.
>
I wasn't accusing others of anything, I was just commenting on the
facts...Wait a minute, are you going to deny you hate Bush now? Your
not biased? Wahahahahahah
vesuvian.d...@lycos.com
> TimeTraveller wrote:
>
> > And of all the psychos that have gone "postal" and killed innocent
> > people in schools, office buildings, et al - this guy was the *only*
> > one who was a Muslim. So the other psychos - who were doubtless
> > Christians - or at least were raised in a Christian society - were
> > also primitive and savage, don't forget.
>
> You seem to be confused. xians don't kill in the name of their religion.
Right. The Crusades never happened. There was no Pope Urban II,
who never conviened the Council of Clermont in 1095, where
he did not call for a "Bellum sacrum" or Religious war.
> You also seem to forget ... the 9/11 mass murderers.
Which, surprisingly, made a number of Zionists in New Jersey
on 9/11/01 very happy. They danced and high-fived and took
photographs of themselves smiling while the WTC towers
burned in the background. One of the photos showed one of
the Zionists with a cigarette lighter in his hand which appears
under the burning WTCs in the photograph, as if he, himself,
had caused the event. For latest details, see:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10528
Some excerpts:
"A highly placed [U.S. government] investigator said there
are - quote - 'tie-ins.' But when asked for details, he flatly
refused to describe them, saying, - quote - 'evidence linking
these Israelis [the five arrested Zionists] to 9-11 is classified.
I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's
classified information."
"It looked like they're [the five Zionists arrested on 9/11]
hooked in with this, it looked like they knew what was
going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."
-one of the local New Jersey law enforcement agents
after the arrest of the five Zionists
"... they [the five arrested Zionists] were held for 71
days, mostly in solitary confinement, and interrogated.
Some repeatedly failed polygraph tests when questioned
about possible surveillance activities. The FBI agents
who interrogated them reportedly called them
the 'high-fivers,' because of their odd behavior
at Liberty State Park."
[snip]
> ... Show us where xianity mandates killing in the name of
> Jebus.
You certainly disrespect Christianity and Jesus by
your misspellings.
Just a reminder: there is no word "xianity" in the
English language.
If someone disrespected Judaism like you just did to
Christianity, that person would rightly be branded
an Anti-Semite.
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
> who never conviened the Council of Clermont in 1095, where
> he did not call for a "Bellum sacrum" or Religious war.
your death cults aggressions...Seems not everyone was happy with the
idea of living in muslim dhimmitude.
>
> > You also seem to forget ... the 9/11 mass murderers.
>
> Which, surprisingly, made a number of Zionists in New Jersey
> on 9/11/01 very happy. They danced and high-fived and took
> photographs of themselves smiling while the WTC towers
> burned in the background.
cheer when you saw America becoming your ally. 9/11 was the day all
Americans learned islam is not about peace...it's a shitty death cult.
>
> > ... Show us where xianity mandates killing in the name of
> > Jebus.
>
> You certainly disrespect Christianity and Jesus by
> your misspellings.
>
> Just a reminder: there is no word "xianity" in the
> English language.
>
> If someone disrespected Judaism like you just did to
> Christianity, that person would rightly be branded
> an Anti-Semite.
muslims.
>
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If you're a muslim then it's ok to kill/enslave infidels and if you
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
> On 17 Feb 2007 06:27:13 -0800, "Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the
> >> who never conviened the Council of Clermont in 1095, where
> >> he did not call for a "Bellum sacrum" or Religious war.
> >You muslims always forget to mention that the Crusades were due to
> >your death cults aggressions...Seems not everyone was happy with the
> >idea of living in muslim dhimmitude.
>
islam had been a religion of peace.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/crusades.html
Atheist site that if the author had his way we would all be dhimmi
slaves...Do you want to be a dhimmi slave mod? Do you think the world
would be better off if islam ruled it?
>
> >> If someone disrespected Judaism like you just did to
> >> Christianity, that person would rightly be branded
> >> an Anti-Semite.
> >But they wouldn't be out in the streets looking for blood like you
> >muslims.
>
> >http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/crusades.html
No, because it's just that...history...For the Christians anyways,
muslims are still prone to killing non-believers.
>
Note: Those acts you decry allow you to live in freedom in The West.
If not for those acts right now you would be sucking allahs cock as
his slave and living life in a shithole state(e.g. Middle East). Is
this how you want to live mod?
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
> >> >> who never conviened the Council of Clermont in 1095, where
> >> >> he did not call for a "Bellum sacrum" or Religious war.
> >> >You muslims always forget to mention that the Crusades were due to
> >> >your death cults aggressions...Seems not everyone was happy with the
> >> >idea of living in muslim dhimmitude.
>
> >Note: I point out again that the Crusades would have never happened if
> >islam had been a religion of peace.
>
Even your flawed atheist site list the muslims as causing
Crusades...So your nut-uhs are worthless.
<Quote>
When Jerusalem first fell to the Arab Muslims in 638, [2] Christian
pilgrims were given more or less free access to the holy land. However
things took a turn for the worse when the city fell to the Seljuks
(Muslim Turks) in 1071.[3] The Seljuks were less tolerant of Christian
pilgrims than the Arabs. When stories of cruelties inflicted by the
Seljuks on the pilgrims began to circulate in Europe, preparations
began to be made to recapture the holy land. [4]
In 1095, Pope Urban II (c1042-1099) proclaimed the First Crusade
(1095-1099) at the Council of Clermont. One of the main objective of
this crusade was to secure the free access to Jerusalem for Christian
pilgrims.
</Quote>
>
> >>http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/crusades.html
> >Atheist site that if the author had his way we would all be dhimmi
> >slaves...Do you want to be a dhimmi slave mod? Do you think the world
> >would be better off if islam ruled it?
>
> Current US foreign policy empowers Muslim fundamentalists worldwide.
A) That wasn't the question, the question was, would you have
preferred for the Crusades to fail? Do you think the world would be
better off if islam ruled it? If not, then why did you bring up that
site?
B) Islam is a "fundamentalists" death cult...So yea, America/Bush
treating it as a religion is not a good thing and just enables it to
do more damage.
>
Where was GWB/US foreign policy when islam was doing this?
http://tinyurl.com/2mz3o3
>
How did GWB/US foreign policy make mad mohammad say these things?
http://tinyurl.com/2t7adb
>
See koran links at bottom.
>
> >> >> If someone disrespected Judaism like you just did to
> >> >> Christianity, that person would rightly be branded
> >> >> an Anti-Semite.
> >> >But they wouldn't be out in the streets looking for blood like you
> >> >muslims.
>
> >> History isn't your strong point.
> >> >http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/crusades.html
> >No, because it's just that...history...For the Christians anyways,
> >muslims are still prone to killing non-believers.
>
It's true and you saying nut-uh doesn't change it.
>
> Survivors mark Srebrenica massacre
> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=784762005
Were these acts due to a Christian war? Were these the acts of
Christians? If so, please feel free to show where Jesus advocated
this.
>
> >Note: Those acts you decry allow you to live in freedom in The West.
> >If not for those acts right now you would be sucking allahs cock as
> >his slave and living life in a shithole state(e.g. Middle East). Is
> >this how you want to live mod?
>
> the contrary
Your ignoring the fact that due to the Crusades your not living under
islamic rule. Again I ask, do you view this as a bad thing?
>
> Musharraf: Iraq war makes world more dangerous
Why would a muslim dictator say different?
vesuvian.d...@lycos.com
with fire" <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Survivors mark Srebrenica massacre
> >http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=784762005
> Were these acts due to a Christian war? Were these the acts of
> Christians? If so, please feel free to show where Jesus advocated
> this.
An example of a war in which Christians (Roman Catholic and
Greek Orthodox) fought against each other. The puppet Nazi
state of Croatia was led by the Ustase:
The word " Ustase " is a plural of "Ustasa"--a person who participates
in "Ustanak" (uprising). Translating to 'insurgent' in English. The
Ustase aimed at an ethnically "pure" Croatia, and saw the Serbs that
lived in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina as the their biggest
obstacle. Thus, Ustase ministers Mile Budak, Mirko Puk, and Milovan
Zanic declared in May 1941 that the goal of the Ustase was
1. One third of the Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH)
were to be forcibly converted to Roman Catholicism (which met with the
approval of the Roman Catholic church and hierarchy in the environs
and in Rome).
2. One third of the Serbs were to be expelled.
3. One third of the Serbs were to be liquidated.
More Info at:
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
Ok, you try to link this to Christianity, so where in Christ teachings
did he advocate any of this(genocide, murder, etc)?
>
<Matthew 5:38-39>
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth
for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but
whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other
also."
>
<Matthew 5:38-44>
...Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and
pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
vesuvian.d...@lycos.com
Genocide Against Greek Orthodox Catholics and Jews
> Were these acts due to a Christian war? Were these the acts of
> Christians? If so, please feel free to show where Jesus advocated
> this.
An example of a war in which Christians (Roman Catholic and
Greek Orthodox) fought against each other. The puppet Nazi
state of Croatia was led by the Ustase:
The word "Ustase" is a plural of "Ustasa"--a person who participates
in "Ustanak" (uprising). Translating to 'insurgent' in English. The
Ustase aimed at an ethnically "pure" Croatia, and saw the Serbs that
lived in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina as the their biggest
obstacle. Thus, Ustase ministers Mile Budak, Mirko Puk, and Milovan
Zanic declared in May 1941 that the goal of the Ustase was
1. One third of the Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH)
were to be forcibly converted to Roman Catholicism (which met with
the
approval of the Roman Catholic church and hierarchy in the environs
and in Rome).
2. One third of the Serbs were to be expelled.
3. One third of the Serbs were to be liquidated.
More Info at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e
> Ok, you try to link this to Christianity, so where in Christ teachings
> did he advocate any of this(genocide, murder, etc)?
Q: Were these the acts of Christians?
A: Yes
Q: Did the Ustase government have the
support and encouragement of the Roman
Catholic Church?
A: Yes
Q: During the reign of the Ustase in
Croatia, did the Roman Catholic
Church do anything to stop the
genocide in Croatia?
A: No
Q: At the end of World War II,
did the Roman Catholic Church
give sanctuary to Ante Pavelic, who
was the leader of the Nazi puppet
state of Croatia during 1941-5; and
did they help Pavelic escape to
Argentina?
A: Yes
The Ustase enacted race laws patterned after those of the Third Reich,
which were aimed against Jews and Roma, but predominately Serbs, who
were collectively declared enemies of the Croatian people.
Exact numbers of victims are not known, only estimates exist. The
number of murdered Jews is fairly reliable: around 32,000 Jews were
killed during WWII on NDH territory. Gypsies (Yugoslav Roma) numbered
around 40,000 fewer after the war. The numbers of murdered Serbs are
much larger, and estimates tend to vary between at least 300,000 and
700,000.
Serbs, Jews, Roma and Croatian anti-fascists, including some Communist
Croats and dissident Croat Byzantine Catholic priests, were interned
in concentration camps, the largest of which was the Jasenovac
complex, and then most often brutally murdered there by the Ustase
militia.
The Jasenovac concentration camp was the largest concentration and
extermination camp in Croatia during World War II. On the night of
August 29, 1942, bets were made among the prison guards as to who
could liquidate the largest number of inmates. One of the guards named
Petar Brzica reportedly cut the throats of 1,360 prisoners with a
butcher knife. Having been proclaimed the prize-winner of the
competition, he was dubbed "King of the Cut-throats". A golden watch,
a silver service, a roasted suckling pig, and wine were among his
rewards. There was also a unique child and infant sub-camp where
babies were burned. Children were taken to woods and then killed one
by one manually with a "malj"-mallet in head. The Germans said that
the Ustasha were the worst (or, for them, "the best") and most cruel
murderers in the whole world.
More info on Jasenovac:
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
> Roman Catholic Ustase government of Croatia (1941-5) engaged in
> Genocide Against Greek Orthodox Catholics and Jews
>
> More Info at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e
>
> > Ok, you try to link this to Christianity, so where in Christ teachings
> > did he advocate any of this(genocide, murder, etc)?
>
> Q: Were these the acts of Christians?
> A: Yes
>
> Q: Did the Ustase government have the
> support and encouragement of the Roman
> Catholic Church?
> A: Yes
something doesn't mean it is Christ's will.
>
> Q: During the reign of the Ustase in
> Croatia, did the Roman Catholic
> Church do anything to stop the
> genocide in Croatia?
> A: No
means show me were Jesus advocated this behavior.
>
<snip more of the same>
Look, if you want to blame Christianity then you have show where
Christ tells people to do it. It's that simple.
>
Truth: The only mainstream religion(really a death cult) that gives a
thumbs up to genocide is islam.
vesuvian.d...@lycos.com
> > > did he advocate any of this(genocide, murder, etc)?
>
> > Q: Were these the acts of Christians?
> > A: Yes
>
> Please provide a quote where Jesus advocated this.
You do not deny that these were the act of Christians.
> > Q: Did the Ustase government have the
> > support and encouragement of the Roman
> > Catholic Church?
> > A: Yes
>
> The Catholic church isn't Christianity and just because they did
> something doesn't mean it is Christ's will.
The Pope is the spiritual descendent of Christ for Roman
Catholics. You do not deny that the Ustase had the support
and encouragement of the Vatican.
> > Q: During the reign of the Ustase in
> > Croatia, did the Roman Catholic
> > Church do anything to stop the
> > genocide in Croatia?
> > A: No
>
> Again, it has nothing to do with Christianity
Are you claiming that the Roman Catholic
Church has nothing to do with Christianity?
<deletion restored>
Q: At the end of World War II,
did the Roman Catholic Church
give sanctuary to Ante Pavelic, who
was the leader of the Nazi puppet
state of Croatia during 1941-5; and
did they help Pavelic escape to
Argentina?
A: Yes
</deletion restored>
> If I am wrong by all
> means show me were Jesus advocated this behavior.
The only requirement for evil to triumph is for
good people to do nothing. Show me where
Jesus advocated using force to fight evil.
More information on Nazi puppet state of Croatia's atrocities:
On the urging of Mussolini, the Germans agree to make Pavelic
Poglavnik (Chieftain) of the NDH. Almost immediately he declares that
the primary aim of his government will be the "purification" of
Croatia and the elimination of "alien elements". The "ethnic
cleansing" of two million Serbs, Jews, and Gipsies in the NDH now
begins.
Pavelic's Ustase storm troopers employ forced religious conversion,
deportation and murder to achieve their goal of an ethnically pure
Croatia. Their credo is "kill a third, expel a third, and convert a
third". Serbs will be required to wear armbands bearing the letter P
(for Pravoslavac, or Orthodox Christian), while Jews will have to wear
armbands with the letter Z (for Zidov).
The Ustase will be supported by elements of the Croatian Catholic
Church, including the Archbishop of Sarajevo, Ivan Saric. SOME
FRANCISCAN PRIESTS WILL ENLIST IN THE USTASE AND PARTICIPATE N THE
VIOLENCE.
The massacres begin at the Serbian village of Gudovac in Bosnia-
Herzegovina on 27 April. They will continue unabated until the end of
the war and result in the genocide of tens of thousands of Serbs, Jews
and Gipsies. Thousands more will flee to the relative safety of
Serbia. Orthodox priests will also be targeted, with 131 out of the
total of 577 practicing in the region being killed. Execution methods
favoured by the Ustase included knifing and bludgeoning to death,
throwing live victims from cliffs, as well as shooting.
The brutality of the Ustase violence of appals many high-ranking
officers in the occupying forces. General Edmund Glaise von Horstenau,
the German commander of the NDH, reports to Berlin that "according to
reliable reports from countless German military and civilian
observers ... the Ustasha have gone raging mad". Later he states that
the "Croat revolution was by far the bloodiest and most awful among
all I have seen firsthand or from afar in Europe since 1917."
The German commander of southeastern Europe calls the Ustase onslaught
"a Croatian crusade of destruction". Italian commanders begin to
provide civilians with protection against the Ustase, with some going
so far as to ignore orders to cease the practice.
In June 1941 Pavelic meets German dictator Adolf Hitler, who agrees to
Pavelic's plan to expel much of the Serbian population of the NDH and
replace them with Croats and Slovenes from lands annexed by the
Germans. Pavelic will meet with Hitler again in November 1942.
In September 1941 an Ustase-run concentration camp is opened at
Jasenovac, on the Bosnia-Herzegovina border about 90 km southeast of
Zagreb. Up to 200,000 Serbs, Jews, Gipsies and political prisoners are
killed at Jasenovac, which is the largest in the 26 camps established
in the Balkans. Along with the Ustase, CATHOLIC CLERGY STAFF THE CAMP
AND PARTICIPATE IN THE EXECUTIONS.
source:
zr
by Croat Muslims not Christians, and the Pope was powerless in this arena.
However the priests of Roman Catholicism and Christian Serbs of Yugoslavia
fought against the Ustaze Muslims and Germans and saved many Jews.
<vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1171922714.0...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire
then show me just one quote where Jesus supported genocide, murder,
etc.
>
Just one quote. One.
>
>
Like these quotes from mad mohammad.
vesuvian.d...@lycos.com
>> begins.
>
>> Pavelic's Ustase storm troopers employ forced religious conversion,
>> deportation and murder to achieve their goal of an ethnically pure
>> Croatia. Their credo is "kill a third, expel a third, and convert a
>> third". Serbs will be required to wear armbands bearing the letter P
>> (for Pravoslavac, or Orthodox Christian), while Jews will have to wear
>> armbands with the letter Z (for Zidov).
>
>> The Ustase will be supported by elements of the Croatian Catholic
>> Church, including the Archbishop of Sarajevo, Ivan Saric. SOME
>> FRANCISCAN PRIESTS WILL ENLIST IN THE USTASE
>> AND PARTICIPATE N THE VIOLENCE.
>
>> The massacres begin at the Serbian village of Gudovac in Bosnia-
>> Herzegovina on 27 April. They will continue unabated until the end of
>> the war and result in the genocide of tens of thousands of Serbs, Jews
>> Serbia. Orthodox priests will also be targeted, with 131 out of the
>> total of 577 practicing in the region being killed. Execution methods
>> favoured by the Ustase included knifing and bludgeoning to death,
>> throwing live victims from cliffs, as well as shooting.
>
>> officers in the occupying forces. General Edmund Glaise von Horstenau,
>> the German commander of the NDH, reports to Berlin that "according to
>> reliable reports from countless German military and civilian
>> observers ... the Ustasha have gone raging mad". Later he states that
>> the "Croat revolution was by far the bloodiest and most awful among
>> all I have seen firsthand or from afar in Europe since 1917."
>
>> The German commander of southeastern Europe calls the Ustase onslaught
>> "a Croatian crusade of destruction". Italian commanders begin to
>> provide civilians with protection against the Ustase, with some going
>> so far as to ignore orders to cease the practice.
>
>> In June 1941 Pavelic meets German dictator Adolf Hitler, who agrees to
>> Pavelic's plan to expel much of the Serbian population of the NDH and
>> replace them with Croats and Slovenes from lands annexed by the
>> Germans. Pavelic will meet with Hitler again in November 1942.
>
>> In September 1941 an Ustase-run concentration camp is opened at
>> Jasenovac, on the Bosnia-Herzegovina border about 90 km southeast of
>> killed at Jasenovac, which is the largest in the 26 camps established
>> in the Balkans. Along with the Ustase, CATHOLIC CLERGY STAFF
>> THE CAMP AND PARTICIPATE IN THE EXECUTIONS.
>
>> source:
>
>>http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pavelic.html
"zr" whose top post has been relocated to its logical position, wrote:
> In Croatia the acts of the genocide by the Ustaze were carried out largely
> by Croat Muslims not Christians, and the Pope was powerless in this arena.
> However the priests of Roman Catholicism and Christian Serbs of Yugoslavia
> fought against the Ustaze Muslims and Germans and saved many Jews.
You do not list a source. Not surprising, since Pavelic and the
Ustase were Roman Catholics, and it was CATHOLIC CLERGY,
not Muslim clerics, who helped staff Jasenovac and the other
extermination camps. This Ustase extermination program started
before the Nazi "final solution" by eight months. And since it
was the Roman Catholics laymen and clergy who comprised the
vast majority of the Ustase, the Pope could have certainly used
his influence to try to stop the genocide.
It is true that Muslim Albania, which received Kosovo from the
Nazi mapmakers, furnished troops to fight with the Nazis.
However the Nazis also had volunteer fighters from Roman
Catholic Croatia and France; Protestant Denmark, and the
Netherlands; and every other state occupied by the Nazis.
There is some poetic justice that the Soviet pincers
which resulted in the Nazi's Stalingrad disaster broke
through the lines of these non-German troops.
The World War II boundaries of Serbia were much
smaller than even today, with the Nazis giving Bosnia
to Croatia, Kosovo to Albania, and Macedonia to
Bulgaria. Hungary also got some Serb territory. All
of these Nazi allies sent troops to the Russian front,
but very few would return.
While there may have been individual examples of Jews
saved by a Roman Catholic priest, the vast majority of
Roman Catholic clergy and laymen supported
the Ustase state and its goal of ethnic cleansing of
Croatia.
It is no surprise that the Serbs would help the Jews, since
they were both the targets of the Ustase and the Nazis.
This is one reason that Israel helped supply Yugoslavia
with arms to fight against the breakaway republics
during the Balkan wars of the 1990s, despite an arms
embargo (which all sides violated.)
During the decade of the 1990s, the U.S. mainstream
media censored any mention of Croatia's World
War II genocide, since the U.S. supported Croatian
independence and the independence of the other
breakaway republics. In Bosnia, the Muslim side
was supported by the U.S., Iran and the Al-Quaeda
terrorists.