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Dan

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Dec 31, 2008, 9:04:26 PM12/31/08
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My brief Response to Zionist disinformation
Khaled Amayreh

29 December, 2008


Zionist Hasbara operatives have been claiming that the current Israeli
genocidal onslaught in Gaza is a "war against Hamas" and that it was
only necessitated by the firing of Palestinian rockets on Israel.

This is a big lie. Read the following:

"Hamas had repeatedly said it was willing and ready to stop "all" firing
of projectiles from Gaza if only Israel would lift the deadly blockade.
And Israel repeatedly said "No."

Israel has been saying ad nauseam that it ended its occupation of Gaza.
Well, why does Israel then retain its control of Gaza skies, Gaza
shores, Gaza sea, Gaza border crossings (even with Egypt). Why does
Israel retain its control of Gaza life? Why?

Hence, the issue of firing "rockets" on Israel (they are homemade
projectiles that make more noise than damage), should be viewed largely
as a red herring.

Effectively, Israel has been giving Palestinians in Gaza either of two
choices, to die of starvation as a result of the blockade or be
exterminated by the Israeli war machine.

Indeed, these so-called "rockets" are nothing more than a desperate
outcry for justice, for lifting the deadly blockade. Gaza has simply
been reduced to a modern-day Auschwitz. The only difference is that Jews
are now playing the role of the SS.

Hamas did meticulously observe a six-month ceasefire, despite the
persistence of the Nazi-like blockade which very much resembled the
Ghetto Warsaw siege in 1942-43. However, Israel on 13 November, Israel
carried out a foray into Gaza, killing 6 people.

More to the point, Israel killed 49 Palestinians during the ceasefire.
Not a single Israeli was killed.

Besides, hundreds of Palestinians have perished because Israel would not
allow them to access medical care or medicine. I saw many Palestinians
die an agonizing death because the "light upon the nations" wouldn't
allow them to reach hospital a few blocks away. In short, we are talking
about a Judeo-Nazi state. I am saying this because when Jews think,
behave and act like Nazis, they become Nazis. We must call the spade a
spade, especially when it happens to be in the hands of our gravediggers.

Therefore, it is a big lie to call this war a war against Hamas. This is
a Nazi-like war of extermination against the people of Palestine.

If the war were against Hamas, as the war criminals of Tel Aviv keep
claiming, Israel wouldn't have targeted market places, drug stores,
college buildings, private homes, mosques, cultural institutions, roads,
businesses, etc.
Only a state with a Hitlerian mindset would target an entire society and
then claim that it is fighting Hamas! It is simply a big lie.

So, Israel is simply carrying out a real genocide...and an
indiscriminate one for that matter.

Today, even a Jewish rabbi of imminence used the term "genocide" to
describe what Israel is doing in Gaza."

See also Amira Hass’s article in the Ha’aretz newspaper "Israel’s war is
not against Hamas, it’s against all the Palestinians."

B.H. Cramer

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Dec 31, 2008, 10:06:43 PM12/31/08
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"The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
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> You really need to learn something about history because clearly you do
> not
> have a clue.

HAMAS did indeed stick to the latest cease fire. It was the yids who broke
it. As they've done with EVERY cease fire.

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>> Hamas did meticulously observe a six-month ceasefire,
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> A lie.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Qasam_graph2002-2007.svg


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>> despite the
>> persistence of the Nazi-like blockade which very much resembled the
>> Ghetto Warsaw siege in 1942-43.
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> Another lie
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> http://www.nizkor.org/
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Gary Renzetti

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Dec 31, 2008, 11:48:45 PM12/31/08
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The Endeavor wrote:
> You really need to learn something about history because clearly you do not
> have a clue.
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>> Hamas did meticulously observe a six-month ceasefire,
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>> despite the
>> persistence of the Nazi-like blockade which very much resembled the
>> Ghetto Warsaw siege in 1942-43.
>
> Another lie
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/
>
"Nizkor"? OyVay McVay's excuse for not getting a real job?
Now, *there's* a real credible unbiased source, isn't it?
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B.H. Cramer

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Jan 1, 2009, 12:47:48 AM1/1/09
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"The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:48:45 -0500, Gary Renzetti wrote:
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>>>> despite the
>>>> persistence of the Nazi-like blockade which very much resembled the
>>>> Ghetto Warsaw siege in 1942-43.
>>>
>>> Another lie
>>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/
>>>
>> "Nizkor"? OyVay McVay's excuse for not getting a real job?
>> Now, *there's* a real credible unbiased source, isn't it?
>
>
> McVay put it very well about you when he stated that the cynical truth is
> "The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism
> an
> acceptable political alternative again."

Which is nothing more than a huge steaming lie, NOT of mcFey's creation, by
the bye.


B.H. Cramer

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Jan 1, 2009, 12:52:39 AM1/1/09
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"The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:06:43 +1000, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:1jai1mjk4nqzu.1...@40tude.net...
>>> You really need to learn something about history because clearly you do
>>> not
>>> have a clue.
>>
>> HAMAS did indeed stick to the latest cease fire. It was the yids who
>> broke
>> it. As they've done with EVERY cease fire.
>>
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> A lie.

Not at all.

The hebes snuck into Gaza a few weeks ago and offed six Palestinians.

THAT is what broke the most recent cease fire.

But don't let that inconvenient fact get in the way of your rants and lies.


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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Qasam_graph2002-2007.svg

B.H. Cramer

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Jan 1, 2009, 12:53:37 AM1/1/09
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"The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:06:43 +1000, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:1jai1mjk4nqzu.1...@40tude.net...
>>> You really need to learn something about history because clearly you do
>>> not
>>> have a clue.
>>
>> HAMAS did indeed stick to the latest cease fire. It was the yids who
>> broke
>> it. As they've done with EVERY cease fire.
>>
>

By the bye - Your graph is WAY out of date. It has no bearing on the most
recent cease fire at all.

sha...@comcast.net

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Jan 1, 2009, 2:35:40 AM1/1/09
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Five years ago, the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass
destruction to dupe us into supporting an illegal, immoral invasion of
Iraq.

A few days ago, Israel trotted out only an infinitesimally more
credible excuse — the Hamas rockets case — as justification for its
own murderous shock and awe in Gaza, a long-planned campaign
perniciously aimed at ousting a “regime” that came to power via
popular, democratic vote.

Yes, such rockets exist, but they’re little more than slingshots
against Israel’s incredible military might, and they’re used out of
desperation by Palestinians who’ve never been accorded the democratic
space within which to gain redress of their eminently just grievances.

Israeli apologists have presented absurd propaganda about those
devices.

We’ve been asked, for instance, what would we do if rockets were being
launched on our homes in New York or Texas, from Canada or Mexico?

The proper answer is that, if those two nations had been unlawfully
occupied or embargoed by the United States for 60 years of relentless
oppression and repression, and if all attempts at peaceful change had
been forcefully prevented or scuttled by the U.S., then such attacks
would be an understandable, indeed a justifiable attempt at gaining
intolerably deferred liberty.

Our appropriate response wouldn’t be to bomb the hell out of the
nearest Canadian or Mexican city, but to collectively look into
mirrors and earnestly ask ourselves, “What have we done wrong to incur
their wrath?”

And then act to correct the situation.

Conscientious Israelis acknowledge that the Hamas rockets rationale is
fraudulent. For instance, Jerusalem Post writer Larry Derfner has
noted, “We don’t want to see how people in Gaza are living, we block
it out of our minds — which, I suppose, is natural for a society at
war, but which also keeps that war going longer than it might if we
would recognize that Gaza is getting so much the worst of it.

“The Palestinian Kassam rockets have terrorized the 25,000 people in
Sderot and its environs, but have caused very, very few deaths or
serious wounds. By contrast, Israel has terrorized 1.5 million Gazans,
locked them inside their awfully narrow borders, throttled their
economy, and killed and seriously wounded thousands of them . . .

“This is crazy. Israel is the superpower of the Middle East, but
because we still think we’re the Jews of Europe in the 1930s, or the
Israelites under Pharaoh, we spend a lot more time fighting our
enemies than we might if we looked at the whole picture, not just our
half of it . . .”

As Gazan hospitals and morgues fill beyond capacity because of an
ongoing air assault that cruelly began at precisely the hour when
countless children were heading home from school, we’re expected to
believe that small craters mostly in empty Israeli fields constitute
this terrible episode’s chief sin.

Bugs bothered by sporadically impacting, glorified fireworks cobbled
together in backyard garages are ludicrously supposed to be the
primary problem, not human limbs and lives shattered by the most
destructive weapons that military science can produce!

At any point during the past six decades, Israel could have had peace,
simply by assenting to the great moral imperative of our time, namely
the Palestinians’ right to their own, unitary, sovereign homeland.

Something which Israel continues to resist tooth and nail.

Two years ago, in Southern Lebanon, Israel engaged in similar bombings
in civilian areas. Then, too, it maintained that only “terrorist”
targets were being hit. As impartial observers finally ascertained the
truth, clear evidence of enormous civilian carnage surfaced.

The Israeli leadership lied then, and it’s lying now.

There’s a veritable holocaust occurring in densely packed Gaza. Think
Guernica, or the Warsaw Ghetto, with all the searing irony that
comparison involves.

Apart from being an ethical travesty offending all decent hearts, it’s
an unpardonable outrage to especially Arab/Islamic peoples around the
world.

Witness the angry demonstrations in cities across the planet.

It takes no extraordinary analytical prowess to appreciate that, when
the White House ridiculously blames what’s currently happening on
“thugs” in Gaza, and when moderate Arab states adopt an
accommodationist position pleasing the U.S. and Israel, a profound
Arab/Islamic radicalization billows and swells.

New Osama bin Ladens are being born as innocents in Gaza are getting
ripped to death by American-made Hellfire missiles, dispatched toward
fleshly targets by Israeli pilots.

In fact, the almost certain, counterproductive outcome of Israel’s
action makes us necessarily suspect that secret motives mistakenly
judged by Tel Aviv to be worth the risk are actually at play.

Three possibilities spring immediately to mind:

1) Obscenely using de facto genocide to give the present Israeli
government a “tough” image before upcoming national elections.

2) Roping Barack Obama into a harder pro-Israeli stance than Tel Aviv
fears he’d otherwise take.

3) Creating a manipulated, intensely propagandized situation that
would enable a desired Israeli attack on Iran.

Whatever the most deeply hidden reality, Israel’s gargantuan crime
must be universally condemned in the strongest possible terms . . .
and halted at once!

Dennis Rahkonen of Superior, Wisconsin, has been writing progressive
commentary with a Heartland perspective for various outlets since the
’60s.


http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4186.shtml

The Endeavor

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Jan 1, 2009, 3:30:29 AM1/1/09
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:35:40 -0800 (PST), sha...@comcast.net wrote:

> Yes, such rockets exist, but they’re little more than slingshots

Reminds me of a girl's comments that she was only a little bit pregnant If
you fire missiles,it is an act of war.

Like I said early, you should learn something before posting.

B.H. Cramer

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Jan 1, 2009, 4:10:57 AM1/1/09
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"The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
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> As if you have another motive for holocaust revisionism, all you want is
> to
> spread Nazism and racism.

More desperate lies from the silly little toss.

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B.H. Cramer

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Jan 1, 2009, 4:11:32 AM1/1/09
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"The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:35:40 -0800 (PST), sha...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Yes, such rockets exist, but they¢re little more than slingshots
>
> Reminds me of a girl's comments that she was only a little bit pregnant If
> you fire missiles,it is an act of war.

Do you suffer from these delusions often, rearender? Or do you thoroughly
enjoy them?


Surfer

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Jan 1, 2009, 11:13:54 AM1/1/09
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:04:26 -0500, Dan <Danw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>My brief Response to Zionist disinformation
>Khaled Amayreh
>
>29 December, 2008
>
>
>Zionist Hasbara operatives have been claiming that the current Israeli
>genocidal onslaught in Gaza is a "war against Hamas" and that it was
>only necessitated by the firing of Palestinian rockets on Israel.
>
>This is a big lie. Read the following:
>
>"Hamas had repeatedly said it was willing and ready to stop "all" firing
>of projectiles from Gaza if only Israel would lift the deadly blockade.
>And Israel repeatedly said "No."
>
>Israel has been saying ad nauseam that it ended its occupation of Gaza.
>Well, why does Israel then retain its control of Gaza skies, Gaza
>shores, Gaza sea, Gaza border crossings (even with Egypt). Why does
>Israel retain its control of Gaza life? Why?
>

The Hamas Charter includes the following statements:
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html


Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will
remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its
predecessors.

[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the
international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem,
are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance
Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means
renouncing part of the religion;

The above imply a religious commitment by Hamas to destroy Israel.

So if Israel did not control borders, Hamas would import and stockpile
weapons for that purpose.


Gary Renzetti

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Jan 1, 2009, 2:30:23 PM1/1/09
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The Endeavor wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:48:45 -0500, Gary Renzetti wrote:
>
>>>> despite the
>>>> persistence of the Nazi-like blockade which very much resembled the
>>>> Ghetto Warsaw siege in 1942-43.
>>> Another lie
>>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/
>>>
>> "Nizkor"? OyVay McVay's excuse for not getting a real job?
>> Now, *there's* a real credible unbiased source, isn't it?
>
>
> McVay put it very well about you when he stated that the cynical truth is
> "The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism an
> acceptable political alternative again."
My Dear Back Door Person (now calling himself after a boat),
OyVay put it about me?
Wtf are you babbling about?
I'm not and never have been a holocaust® revisionist®, or a Nazi as far
as that goes. Please show the group where I have *ever* posted any
"revision" or stated a belief in such, or apologize for slandering me.
Rear-ender, you are a fucking liar.
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