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> Importance of Sex In Islam
>
>
>
>
>
> By: Zaa Brifd
>
>
>
> If we talk about the subjects Quran narrated the most, certainly sex
> is one of them. I would like to explain my point of view and of course
> would appreciate comments from people all around. In this exercise,
> may be I am able to get answers or explanation of my point of view. I
> shall be grateful if somebody (Muslim) proves me wrong and makes me
> understand the true message/lesson of the following teachings/
> principles relating to sex. But if the Muslims don't answer me, it's
> my request to them to ponder with a neutral and logical sense.
>
>
>
> Four Wives At A Time
>
>
>
> First of all, I discuss the subject of "permission for
> having four wives". I fail to find out any positive aspect of this
> thing. Being a dweller of the same planet earth where Islam came into
> being 1400 years ago, I do know a little bit about human instincts,
> nature, behavior, etc.
>
>
>
> I claim that a husband, does not matter what country or
> continent he comes from, can never think or bear his wife's sexual
> relations with some one else. It happens because of the possessive
> instinct/behavior of the human beings which equally exists in both the
> genders. Therefore, my question is, that how can a woman think or bear
> her husband's sexual relations with some one else?
>
>
>
> In addition, if we talk about sexual desire of the human
> beings, both the sexes are even. Just imagine the situation that a man
> having four wives fulfills his sexual desire of four times with four
> wives. How can each of the four wives satisfy their sexual desire of
> four times? Does it not look unnatural, illogical and discriminatory
> and violation of women's rights?
>
>
>
> It is a fact that sex is one of the primary instincts of
> human beings (male, female). It has been given so much importance but
> all with irrationality. I think it objectionable for two reasons. One-
> A large number of verses revealed wrongfully (ignoring women's rights)
> in favor of sexual lust of male Muslims? Whereas, lot of other
> important matters including religious tolerance, peace, equality,
> justice etc. are discussed with less or little emphasis. Two-there are
> millions of couples all over the world who married and spent whole
> life with each other. It is not understandable that why Muslim shave
> been permitted to marry as many as four women simultaneously and can
> keep countless maids with rightful permission to have sexual
> intercourse.
>
>
>
> My Analysis: What I understand there are two main reasons behind the
> permission to have four wives and countless female captives (maids) in
> Islam:
>
> (i)--- obviously, for the sexual lust of men and to attract more and
> more people (men) to accept Islam. I would say that this was a kind of
> bribe offered to the men of a society which was male dominated.
>
> (ii)--- To produce more and more children to maximize the strength of
> Muslims in a short span of time.
>
>
>
> No one can deny that sex is one of the primary instincts and I think
> this can be done with just one wife, which is more feasible, logical,
> economical and based on equality. As I have stated above there are
> millions of couples around the world living happily and satisfactorily
> with regard to sex. Although, in this way, the Muslims have
> been able to increase themselves in numbers, yet they failed to
> establish themselves as good human beings and beneficial to others.
> Muslims could not visualize the bad impact of this rapid birth rate.
> Today, most of the problems like, social, health, education etc. are
> because of the growing population.
>
>
>
>
>
> Uncontrollable Sexual Desire of a Prophet
>
>
>
> Muhammad being a prophet should have been a role model for the Muslims
> in all respect including sex. But it is astonishing that he could not
> control his sexual desire and married to nine women, many more than a
> common Muslim. He was also allowed to keep countless maids. See the
> following Quranic verse Muhammad told his followers to justify his
> marriages and keeping of maid captives.
>
>
>
> "O Prophet! We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have
> given their dowers; and those ladies whom your right hands possess
> (from the prisoners of war) whom Allah has assigned to you; and the
> daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your
> maternal uncles and aunts, who have migrated with you; and the
> believing woman who gave herself to the Prophet if the Prophet desires
> to marry her - this permission is only for you and not for the other
> believers; we know what restrictions We have imposed on the other
> believers concerning their wives and those whom their right hands
> possess. We have granted you this privilege as an exception so that no
> blame may be attached to you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful". (Quran
> 33:50)
>
>
>
> Marriage with 9-Year Old Aisha
>
>
>
> Furthermore, his marriage with Aisha seems to be very funny when he
> was 53 and she was 9.
>
>
>
> Sahih Bukhari (8.151)
>
> Narrated Aisha:
>
> "I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and
> my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used
> to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the
> Prophet would call them to join and play with me". (The playing with
> the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for
> 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age
> of puberty.)
>
>
> Sahih Bukhari (5.234)
>
> Narrated Aisha:
>
> The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went
> to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I
> got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my
> mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some
> of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what
> she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at
> the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing
> became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with
> it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some
> Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good
> luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the
> marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and
> my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine
> years of age.
>
>
>
> Sahih Bukhari (9.140)
>
> Narrated 'Aisha:
>
> "Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my
> dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken
> piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was
> you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'
> Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of
> cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I
> said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen."
>
>
>
> Is this not something shameful for Muslims to narrate that their
> Prophet married a 9 year old little girl when he was 53 years of age?
> Is there any logic to marry a minor? Can Muslims give just one example
> that any of them married his 9 years old daughter to a man of fifty
> plus. Is it medically right to marry a minor girl, before she reaches
> the age of puberty? It is absolutely immoral, uncivilized and
> unethical.
>
>
>
> Muhammad's marriage with his adopted son's wife
>
>
>
> Zaid Ibn Harith was Muhammad's adopted son. Zaid married with Zainab
> Bint Jahsh. Zainab was a very pretty woman. Muhammad could not refrain
> from his desire to marry her. Zaid, somehow or the other came to know
> the intention of Muhammad and divorced Zainab. After he divorced her,
> Muhammad told his followers about the revealation of the following
> verse to justfy his unethical, immoral and an ashamed action of
> marrying his adopted son's wife:
>
>
>
> Quran (33:37)
>
> "O Prophet, remember when you said to the one (Zaid, Prophet's
> adopted son) whom Allah as well as you had favored: "Keep your wife in
> wedlock and fear Allah". You sought to hide in your heart what Allah
> intended to reveal; you were afraid of the people whereas it would
> have been more appropriate to fear Allah. So when Zaid divorced his
> wife, we gave her to you in marriage, so that there remains no
> hindrance for the believers to wed the wives of their adopted sons if
> they divorced them. And Allah's Command had to be carried out."
>
>
>
> In my opinion no one can even think of such an action when one is
> already enjoying company of more than one wife. Firstly, to justify
> his marriage Muhammad brought the following sura to declare the status
> of adopted son:
>
>
>
> Quran(33:4)
>
> "God did not make your adopted son as your own sons. To declare
> them so is your empty claim. God's word is righteous and constitutes
> true guidance."
>
>
>
> Secondly, this episode gives a message to the adopted sons all over
> the world not to trust their fathers with regard to their wives. Is
> this not a matter for the Muslims to be ashamed of?
>
>
>
> After going through the above paragraphs, at least I am unable to
> comprehend the positive message of Muhammad's nine marriages, his
> keeping of countless maids, marriage with a 9-year old minor girl and
> marriage with his adopted son's wife. It should have been a matter of
> proud for the Muslims if Islamic history was full of stories of
> Muhammad's patience, self-control and sexual disinterest.
>
>
>
> For Muslims, each and every word of Quran is a lesson to follow. I ask
> the Muslims do they still need the following suras and many more alike
> to follow, which describe/justify/forbid:
>
>
>
> *
>
> Muhammad's marriage with his adopted son's wife. (Quran
> 33:37)
> *
>
> Muslims cannot marry Muhammad's wives (Quran 33:53).
> *
>
> Permission to Muhammad to marry as many as women as he can
> (Quran 33:50)
> *
>
> Do not enter in to the house of Prophet without his
> permission (Quran 33:53)
>
>
>
> According to Muslims Quran was revealed for the guidance
> of the people of Muhammad's time and for the people to come hundreds
> of thousands of years later. Revelation of the above said suras has
> no impact in today's life because there is no Muhammad, his adopted
> son and his wife and Muhammad widows. There are no more wives of
> Muhammad. Muhammad is not there to marry as many as women as he can.
> What I understand is that these are the suras which do not have
> anything to guide the people of present time. These suras ware
> revealed for that specific time. Therefore, if Muslims claim that
> Quran, as a whole, has been a source of guidance for them, I believe,
> is wrong.
>
> Importance of Sex In Islam
>
>
>
>
>
> By: Zaa Brifd
>
>
>
> If we talk about the subjects Quran narrated the most, certainly sex
> is one of them. I would like to explain my point of view and of course
> would appreciate comments from people all around. In this exercise,
> may be I am able to get answers or explanation of my point of view. I
> shall be grateful if somebody (Muslim) proves me wrong and makes me
> understand the true message/lesson of the following teachings/
> principles relating to sex. But if the Muslims don't answer me, it's
> my request to them to ponder with a neutral and logical sense.
>
>
>
> Four Wives At A Time
>
>
>
> First of all, I discuss the subject of "permission for
> having four wives". I fail to find out any positive aspect of this
> thing. Being a dweller of the same planet earth where Islam came into
> being 1400 years ago, I do know a little bit about human instincts,
> nature, behavior, etc.
>
>
>
> I claim that a husband, does not matter what country or
> continent he comes from, can never think or bear his wife's sexual
> relations with some one else. It happens because of the possessive
> instinct/behavior of the human beings which equally exists in both the
> genders. Therefore, my question is, that how can a woman think or bear
> her husband's sexual relations with some one else?
>
>
>
> In addition, if we talk about sexual desire of the human
> beings, both the sexes are even. Just imagine the situation that a man
> having four wives fulfills his sexual desire of four times with four
> wives. How can each of the four wives satisfy their sexual desire of
> four times? Does it not look unnatural, illogical and discriminatory
> and violation of women's rights?
>
>
>
> It is a fact that sex is one of the primary instincts of
> human beings (male, female). It has been given so much importance but
> all with irrationality. I think it objectionable for two reasons. One-
> A large number of verses revealed wrongfully (ignoring women's rights)
> in favor of sexual lust of male Muslims? Whereas, lot of other
> important matters including religious tolerance, peace, equality,
> justice etc. are discussed with less or little emphasis. Two-there are
> millions of couples all over the world who married and spent whole
> life with each other. It is not understandable that why Muslim shave
> been permitted to marry as many as four women simultaneously and can
> keep countless maids with rightful permission to have sexual
> intercourse.
>
>
>
> My Analysis: What I understand there are two main reasons behind the
> permission to have four wives and countless female captives (maids) in
> Islam:
>
> (i)--- obviously, for the sexual lust of men and to attract more and
> more people (men) to accept Islam. I would say that this was a kind of
> bribe offered to the men of a society which was male dominated.
>
> (ii)--- To produce more and more children to maximize the strength of
> Muslims in a short span of time.
>
>
>
> No one can deny that sex is one of the primary instincts and I think
> this can be done with just one wife, which is more feasible, logical,
> economical and based on equality. As I have stated above there are
> millions of couples around the world living happily and satisfactorily
> with regard to sex. Although, in this way, the Muslims have
> been able to increase themselves in numbers, yet they failed to
> establish themselves as good human beings and beneficial to others.
> Muslims could not visualize the bad impact of this rapid birth rate.
> Today, most of the problems like, social, health, education etc. are
> because of the growing population.
>
>
>
>
>
> Uncontrollable Sexual Desire of a Prophet
>
>
>
> Muhammad being a prophet should have been a role model for the Muslims
> in all respect including sex. But it is astonishing that he could not
> control his sexual desire and married to nine women, many more than a
> common Muslim. He was also allowed to keep countless maids. See the
> following Quranic verse Muhammad told his followers to justify his
> marriages and keeping of maid captives.
>
>
>
> "O Prophet! We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have
> given their dowers; and those ladies whom your right hands possess
> (from the prisoners of war) whom Allah has assigned to you; and the
> daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your
> maternal uncles and aunts, who have migrated with you; and the
> believing woman who gave herself to the Prophet if the Prophet desires
> to marry her - this permission is only for you and not for the other
> believers; we know what restrictions We have imposed on the other
> believers concerning their wives and those whom their right hands
> possess. We have granted you this privilege as an exception so that no
> blame may be attached to you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful". (Quran
> 33:50)
>
>
>
> Marriage with 9-Year Old Aisha
>
>
>
> Furthermore, his marriage with Aisha seems to be very funny when he
> was 53 and she was 9.
>
>
>
> Sahih Bukhari (8.151)
>
> Narrated Aisha:
>
> "I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and
> my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used
> to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the
> Prophet would call them to join and play with me". (The playing with
> the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for
> 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age
> of puberty.)
>
>
> Sahih Bukhari (5.234)
>
> Narrated Aisha:
>
> The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went
> to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I
> got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my
> mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some
> of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what
> she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at
> the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing
> became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with
> it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some
> Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good
> luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the
> marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and
> my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine
> years of age.
>
>
>
> Sahih Bukhari (9.140)
>
> Narrated 'Aisha:
>
> "Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my
> dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken
> piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was
> you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'
> Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of
> cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I
> said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen."
>
>
>
> Is this not something shameful for Muslims to narrate that their
> Prophet married a 9 year old little girl when he was 53 years of age?
> Is there any logic to marry a minor? Can Muslims give just one example
> that any of them married his 9 years old daughter to a man of fifty
> plus. Is it medically right to marry a minor girl, before she reaches
> the age of puberty? It is absolutely immoral, uncivilized and
> unethical.
>
>
>
> Muhammad's marriage with his adopted son's wife
>
>
>
> Zaid Ibn Harith was Muhammad's adopted son. Zaid married with Zainab
> Bint Jahsh. Zainab was a very pretty woman. Muhammad could not refrain
> from his desire to marry her. Zaid, somehow or the other came to know
> the intention of Muhammad and divorced Zainab. After he divorced her,
> Muhammad told his followers about the revealation of the following
> verse to justfy his unethical, immoral and an ashamed action of
> marrying his adopted son's wife:
>
>
>
> Quran (33:37)
>
> "O Prophet, remember when you said to the one (Zaid, Prophet's
> adopted son) whom Allah as well as you had favored: "Keep your wife in
> wedlock and fear Allah". You sought to hide in your heart what Allah
> intended to reveal; you were afraid of the people whereas it would
> have been more appropriate to fear Allah. So when Zaid divorced his
> wife, we gave her to you in marriage, so that there remains no
> hindrance for the believers to wed the wives of their adopted sons if
> they divorced them. And Allah's Command had to be carried out."
>
>
>
> In my opinion no one can even think of such an action when one is
> already enjoying company of more than one wife. Firstly, to justify
> his marriage Muhammad brought the following sura to declare the status
> of adopted son:
>
>
>
> Quran(33:4)
>
> "God did not make your adopted son as your own sons. To declare
> them so is your empty claim. God's word is righteous and constitutes
> true guidance."
>
>
>
> Secondly, this episode gives a message to the adopted sons all over
> the world not to trust their fathers with regard to their wives. Is
> this not a matter for the Muslims to be ashamed of?
>
>
>
> After going through the above paragraphs, at least I am unable to
> comprehend the positive message of Muhammad's nine marriages, his
> keeping of countless maids, marriage with a 9-year old minor girl and
> marriage with his adopted son's wife. It should have been a matter of
> proud for the Muslims if Islamic history was full of stories of
> Muhammad's patience, self-control and sexual disinterest.
>
>
>
> For Muslims, each and every word of Quran is a lesson to follow. I ask
> the Muslims do they still need the following suras and many more alike
> to follow, which describe/justify/forbid:
>
>
>
> *
>
> Muhammad's marriage with his adopted son's wife. (Quran
> 33:37)
> *
>
> Muslims cannot marry Muhammad's wives (Quran 33:53).
> *
>
> Permission to Muhammad to marry as many as women as he can
> (Quran 33:50)
> *
>
> Do not enter in to the house of Prophet without his
> permission (Quran 33:53)
>
>
>
> According to Muslims Quran was revealed for the guidance
> of the people of Muhammad's time and for the people to come hundreds
> of thousands of years later. Revelation of the above said suras has
> no impact in today's life because there is no Muhammad, his adopted
> son and his wife and Muhammad widows. There are no more wives of
> Muhammad. Muhammad is not there to marry as many as women as he can.
> What I understand is that these are the suras which do not have
> anything to guide the people of present time. These suras ware
> revealed for that specific time. Therefore, if Muslims claim that
> Quran, as a whole, has been a source of guidance for them, I believe,
> is wrong.
>
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HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest
children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath,
beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your
ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a
nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice
thighing with little kids, ............ Practice all those and you too
could become a prophet !!
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