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Very interesting ?! ...........
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Catholic Church in Tibet
June 7, 2010 by Robert Hutchinson
Filed under Catholicism, Writing & Blogging
I’ve been fascinated by Tibet my entire life — ever since I read, as
an 11-year-old, Alexandra David-Neel’s classic Magic and Mystery in
Tibet (a book I still own and reread). As a child, I scooped up every
book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
Jr.’s Out of This World to Forbidden Tibet… Heinrich Harrer’s classic
Seven Years in Tibet... Thubten Norbu’s Tibet is My Country... and
Lama Anagarika Govinda’s The Way of the White Clouds.
Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
Horizon’s fantasy obviously appeals to millions of westerners… that of
a peaceful kingdom of meditating monks living in an isolated plateau
in the faraway mountains. But I’ve maintained my interest in Tibet for
more than 40 years… eventually discovering the works of Chogyam
Trungpa and other westernized lamas. The peaceful Tibetans struck me
as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
traits — a central authority figure who serves for life (the pope,
Dalai Lama)… large monasteries and converts… different religious
“orders” (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal “sects” such
as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)… elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
vestments, incense and the like… a highly developed iconography…
different mystical traditions that date back millennia… a wide variety
of saints… and on and on. What’s more, both the Catholic Church and
the Tibetans have been persecuted by murderous secular regimes hell-
bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
My heart has always gone out to the Tibetans… and still does. (My kids
mock my taste in music as “weird Tibetan music” because I listen to
the eerie, otherworldly music of such Tibetan artists as the beautiful
Yungchen Lhamo.)
I’ve also long been fascinated by the story of Fr. Ippolito Desideri,
S.J., a Jesuit missionary who established a mission in Lhasa in
1712-1727… mastered the Tibetan language… engaged in regular debates
with Tibetan philosophical masters (geshe)… and did his best to
describe and explain the strange mystical traditions of Tibetan
Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
Church in Tibet — which I have never known existed. Wonders never
cease. The article is from the Communist-controlled Xinhua news
agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
mid-1950s and have continued to practice a form of “ethnic
cleansing” (such as importing Han Chinese to run all of the central
organizations in Tibet) ever since. They have a vested interest in
portraying the Chinese-dominated “Tibetan Autonomous Region” as a
model of religious tolerance and forbearance… when, in fact, the
Chinese have done everything in their power to stamp out Tibetan
Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
Tibet, subject to rigid oversight… just not Tibetan Buddhist
monasteries.
LHASA, May 31 (Xinhua) — Every daybreak on the southeast edge of the
Tibetan Plateau, Lucy walks into the only Catholic Church in Tibet,
dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
before praying.
Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
her the Western name.
But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
as “Yerkalo”, and is adorned with gesang flowers in its court, where
white hada frame the religious artworks.
Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
and died in 1901.
After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
local authorities, the Qamdo People’s Liberation Committee, to return
it to them.
That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
which came from the government.
Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
monasteries.
“Many villagers bring their babies to be baptized, and the baptism is
performed over eight consecutive days. The babies will receive
religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
their whole lives, and when they die, they will be buried,” he says.
But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
says, the priest will instead go to the couple’s home and pray for
them.
Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
Maria says they are both pious and respect each other’s beliefs – “We
still share the same culture and lifestyle after all.”
When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
husband and the village folk to celebrate.
“After all these years of coexistence, couples who belong to different
religions in the village can stick to their own faiths when they marry
and their children can choose their own religion once they grow up.”
At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
“Religious conflicts between the Catholics and Buddhists are a thing
of the past,” says Father Laurent.
======================
PICTURES: http://english.gov.cn/2005-10/28/content_86137.htm
The sole Catholic Church in Tibet
GOV.cn Friday, October 28, 2005
A general view of the Catholic church of Shangyanjing (Upper Salt
Well) village in Markam county, southwest China's Tibet Autonomous
Region Oct. 22, 2005. As the sole Catholic Church in Tibet, it covers
an area of over 6,000 square meters with a construction genre of
Tibetan, Han nationality and western style. With the introduction of
Catholicism to Tibet in 1865, the church here has now become the
praying locale for some 600 Tibetan believers or 80% local villagers.
Led by a Tibetan priest, the local believers will congregate in the
church under the summon of church toll. These Tibetan Catholics
maintain same lifestyle and customs with other Tibetan residents,
while some Tibetan families share both Catholic and Buddhist members.
[Xinhua Photo]
An exterior view of the Catholic church of Shangyanjing (Upper Salt
Well) village in Markam county, southwest China's Tibet Autonomous
Region Oct. 22, 2005. [Xinhua Photo]
Tibetan believers pray at the Catholic church of Shangyanjing (Upper
Salt Well) village in Markam county, southwest China's Tibet
Autonomous Region Oct. 22, 2005. [Xinhua Photo]
Editor: Chen Feng
Source: Xinhua
===============
PICTURES: http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/catholic-church-in-tibet/
Catholic Church in Tibet
June 7, 2010 by Robert Hutchinson
Filed under Catholicism, Writing & Blogging
I’ve been fascinated by Tibet my entire life — ever since I read, as
an 11-year-old, Alexandra David-Neel’s classic Magic and Mystery in
Tibet (a book I still own and reread). As a child, I scooped up every
book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
Jr.’s Out of This World to Forbidden Tibet… Heinrich Harrer’s classic
Seven Years in Tibet... Thubten Norbu’s Tibet is My Country... and
Lama Anagarika Govinda’s The Way of the White Clouds.
Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
Horizon’s fantasy obviously appeals to millions of westerners… that of
a peaceful kingdom of meditating monks living in an isolated plateau
in the faraway mountains. But I’ve maintained my interest in Tibet for
more than 40 years… eventually discovering the works of Chogyam
Trungpa and other westernized lamas. The peaceful Tibetans struck me
as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
traits — a central authority figure who serves for life (the pope,
Dalai Lama)… large monasteries and converts… different religious
“orders” (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal “sects” such
as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)… elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
vestments, incense and the like… a highly developed iconography…
different mystical traditions that date back millennia… a wide variety
of saints… and on and on. What’s more, both the Catholic Church and
the Tibetans have been persecuted by murderous secular regimes hell-
bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
My heart has always gone out to the Tibetans… and still does. (My kids
mock my taste in music as “weird Tibetan music” because I listen to
the eerie, otherworldly music of such Tibetan artists as the beautiful
Yungchen Lhamo.)
I’ve also long been fascinated by the story of Fr. Ippolito Desideri,
S.J., a Jesuit missionary who established a mission in Lhasa in
1712-1727… mastered the Tibetan language… engaged in regular debates
with Tibetan philosophical masters (geshe)… and did his best to
describe and explain the strange mystical traditions of Tibetan
Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
Church in Tibet — which I have never known existed. Wonders never
cease. The article is from the Communist-controlled Xinhua news
agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
mid-1950s and have continued to practice a form of “ethnic
cleansing” (such as importing Han Chinese to run all of the central
organizations in Tibet) ever since. They have a vested interest in
portraying the Chinese-dominated “Tibetan Autonomous Region” as a
model of religious tolerance and forbearance… when, in fact, the
Chinese have done everything in their power to stamp out Tibetan
Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
Tibet, subject to rigid oversight… just not Tibetan Buddhist
monasteries.
LHASA, May 31 (Xinhua) — Every daybreak on the southeast edge of the
Tibetan Plateau, Lucy walks into the only Catholic Church in Tibet,
dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
before praying.
Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
her the Western name.
But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
as “Yerkalo”, and is adorned with gesang flowers in its court, where
white hada frame the religious artworks.
Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
and died in 1901.
After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
local authorities, the Qamdo People’s Liberation Committee, to return
it to them.
That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
which came from the government.
Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
monasteries.
“Many villagers bring their babies to be baptized, and the baptism is
performed over eight consecutive days. The babies will receive
religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
their whole lives, and when they die, they will be buried,” he says.
But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
says, the priest will instead go to the couple’s home and pray for
them.
Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
Maria says they are both pious and respect each other’s beliefs – “We
still share the same culture and lifestyle after all.”
When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
husband and the village folk to celebrate.
“After all these years of coexistence, couples who belong to different
religions in the village can stick to their own faiths when they marry
and their children can choose their own religion once they grow up.”
At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
“Religious conflicts between the Catholics and Buddhists are a thing
of the past,” says Father Laurent.
======================
PICTURES: http://english.gov.cn/2005-10/28/content_86137.htm
The sole Catholic Church in Tibet
GOV.cn Friday, October 28, 2005
A general view of the Catholic church of Shangyanjing (Upper Salt
Well) village in Markam county, southwest China's Tibet Autonomous
Region Oct. 22, 2005. As the sole Catholic Church in Tibet, it covers
an area of over 6,000 square meters with a construction genre of
Tibetan, Han nationality and western style. With the introduction of
Catholicism to Tibet in 1865, the church here has now become the
praying locale for some 600 Tibetan believers or 80% local villagers.
Led by a Tibetan priest, the local believers will congregate in the
church under the summon of church toll. These Tibetan Catholics
maintain same lifestyle and customs with other Tibetan residents,
while some Tibetan families share both Catholic and Buddhist members.
[Xinhua Photo]
An exterior view of the Catholic church of Shangyanjing (Upper Salt
Well) village in Markam county, southwest China's Tibet Autonomous
Region Oct. 22, 2005. [Xinhua Photo]
Tibetan believers pray at the Catholic church of Shangyanjing (Upper
Salt Well) village in Markam county, southwest China's Tibet
Autonomous Region Oct. 22, 2005. [Xinhua Photo]
Editor: Chen Feng
Source: Xinhua
Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia
May 13, 2013, 11:29:10 PM5/13/13
to
Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
or shut this church down ,.
this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> ===============
>
> PICTURES:http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/ca...
or shut this church down ,.
this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> ===============
>
Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia
May 13, 2013, 11:31:20 PM5/13/13
to
this church symbolises WHITE POWER 's intrusion into Yellow
Race 's territory
On May 14, 10:29 am, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia"
Race 's territory
On May 14, 10:29 am, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia"
Welfare Dept.
May 14, 2013, 12:07:04 AM5/14/13
to
You sound like a bigot idiot on earth.
Islam originally from Persian region in which they live side by side
with Chritianity and as I understand, both came from Abraham and all
are in Judaism
I do not understand Marxism was from Karl Marx and late to be the
Communism which Mao Tse Dung brought it to China that killed 100
million Chinese. Communism is not made by Mao Tse Dung nor Stalin or
HoChiMinh
Tibet originally is for Tibetan Country, they speak their own language
but when the Communist Mao Tse Dung takes over this land, lot of
Tibetan ran away for freedom
Mao fought the Japanese for China freedom unfortunately the Hammer n
Sickle since killed 100 millions Chinese jus for a piece of rice and
land.
Today you guys Red Chinese still not enough foods to eat after more
than 60 years in such so called "Communist Heaven on Earth" and look
at the North Korea your Red brother nextdoor
LMAO.
On May 13, 11:31 pm, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
=> this church symbolises WHITE POWER 's intrusion into Yellow
Islam originally from Persian region in which they live side by side
with Chritianity and as I understand, both came from Abraham and all
are in Judaism
I do not understand Marxism was from Karl Marx and late to be the
Communism which Mao Tse Dung brought it to China that killed 100
million Chinese. Communism is not made by Mao Tse Dung nor Stalin or
HoChiMinh
Tibet originally is for Tibetan Country, they speak their own language
but when the Communist Mao Tse Dung takes over this land, lot of
Tibetan ran away for freedom
Mao fought the Japanese for China freedom unfortunately the Hammer n
Sickle since killed 100 millions Chinese jus for a piece of rice and
land.
Today you guys Red Chinese still not enough foods to eat after more
than 60 years in such so called "Communist Heaven on Earth" and look
at the North Korea your Red brother nextdoor
LMAO.
On May 13, 11:31 pm, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
=> this church symbolises WHITE POWER 's intrusion into Yellow
> Race 's territory
>
> On May 14, 10:29 am, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
> Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <verinvanv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
>
> > or shut this church down ,.
>
=> > this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
>
> On May 14, 10:29 am, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
> Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <verinvanv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
>
> > or shut this church down ,.
>
rst0
May 14, 2013, 12:31:28 AM5/14/13
to
Well, there is still hope for Tibet.
Tibet will be fine as soon as Tibetans get rid of the Dalai Lama and
his Buddhism.
Tibet will be fine as soon as Tibetans get rid of the Dalai Lama and
his Buddhism.
Welfare Dept.
May 14, 2013, 12:39:25 AM5/14/13
to
From 1913 to today 2013 which is 100 years that changes the World
quite alot so we never know what will happen for Tibet and that also
can be China
Look at the Nazis and Japan Imperialism both rise and fall only within
20 years
But read World History every country they all love Freedom
=> Tibet will be fine as soon as Tibetans get rid of the Dalai Lama
and
> his Buddhism.
quite alot so we never know what will happen for Tibet and that also
can be China
Look at the Nazis and Japan Imperialism both rise and fall only within
20 years
But read World History every country they all love Freedom
=> Tibet will be fine as soon as Tibetans get rid of the Dalai Lama
and
> his Buddhism.
Mao , the HEAD of the CPC , Communist Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block
May 14, 2013, 1:02:56 AM5/14/13
to
GERMANY the 4th REICH is coming back via the EURO.
never doubt the ability of the German people to rise up
again .
we CHINESE are also on the way up,
but this WHITE POWER CHRISTIAN church has never let go
of its WHITE POWER BASE since
the middle of the 13th century , since the Albegian Massacre
in
South FRANCE .
never doubt the ability of the German people to rise up
again .
we CHINESE are also on the way up,
but this WHITE POWER CHRISTIAN church has never let go
of its WHITE POWER BASE since
the middle of the 13th century , since the Albegian Massacre
in
South FRANCE .
rst0
May 14, 2013, 1:05:58 AM5/14/13
to
On May 13, 9:39 pm, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From 1913 to today 2013 which is 100 years that changes the World
> quite alot so we never know what will happen for Tibet and that also
> can be China
Yes, definitely.
> From 1913 to today 2013 which is 100 years that changes the World
> quite alot so we never know what will happen for Tibet and that also
> can be China
>
> Look at the Nazis and Japan Imperialism both rise and fall only within
> 20 years
1945.
>
> But read World History every country they all love Freedom
Take the U.S., for example, was the U.S. "love Freedom" from the 1700s
to 1960s?
Thomas Jefferson wrote "All men are created equal" yet, he owned,
bought and sold slaves all through his life.
Was Marin Luther King, jr.'s life in vain?
How about Nelson Mandela?
Mao , the HEAD of the CPC , Communist Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block
May 14, 2013, 1:11:30 AM5/14/13
to
ja
remember Alfred Hugenburg who financed A. Hitler 's Rise to
Power ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hugenburg
his German Verband = Pan GERMAN EXPANSION modelling after
the Prussian Settlement Commission .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Settlement_Commission
remember Alfred Hugenburg who financed A. Hitler 's Rise to
Power ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hugenburg
his German Verband = Pan GERMAN EXPANSION modelling after
the Prussian Settlement Commission .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Settlement_Commission
Welfare Dept.
May 14, 2013, 1:32:59 AM5/14/13
to
The true Freedom that can let people speak and vote, with those
Privileges that transform the nation to better society
None of the Communist countries have these Privileges and thats why
Red China still eat human fetus plus lot of corruptions, as a matter
of fact in Freedom country the citizen can blame or make fun out of
their leaders if there is a mistake but Commies.
Look at your brother N-Korea, their people have to pretend crying loud
at Kim JongIl funeral but without tears then their ration meal of the
month will be cut off 1/2
LMAO
On May 13, 10:05 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 9:39 pm, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From 1913 to today 2013 which is 100 years that changes the World
> > quite alot so we never know what will happen for Tibet and that also
> > can be China
>
> Yes, definitely.
>
>
>
> > Look at the Nazis and Japan Imperialism both rise and fall only within
> > 20 years
>
> Nazi Germany did, but imperial Japan lasted from the late 1800s to
> 1945.
>
>
>
=> > But read World History every country they all love Freedom
>
-> Different countries have different interpretation of freedom.
-> How about Nelson Mandela?
Privileges that transform the nation to better society
None of the Communist countries have these Privileges and thats why
Red China still eat human fetus plus lot of corruptions, as a matter
of fact in Freedom country the citizen can blame or make fun out of
their leaders if there is a mistake but Commies.
Look at your brother N-Korea, their people have to pretend crying loud
at Kim JongIl funeral but without tears then their ration meal of the
month will be cut off 1/2
LMAO
On May 13, 10:05 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 9:39 pm, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From 1913 to today 2013 which is 100 years that changes the World
> > quite alot so we never know what will happen for Tibet and that also
> > can be China
>
> Yes, definitely.
>
>
>
> > Look at the Nazis and Japan Imperialism both rise and fall only within
> > 20 years
>
> Nazi Germany did, but imperial Japan lasted from the late 1800s to
> 1945.
>
>
>
>
-> Different countries have different interpretation of freedom.
> Take the U.S., for example, was the U.S. "love Freedom" from the 1700s
> to 1960s?
-> Thomas Jefferson wrote "All men are created equal" yet, he owned,
> to 1960s?
> bought and sold slaves all through his life.
>
-> Was Marin Luther King, jr.'s life in vain?
>
-> How about Nelson Mandela?
emperor Xi Jin Ping , a billionaire and the HEAD of Chinese Mafia MONOPOLY CPC POWER in CHINA
May 14, 2013, 3:32:40 AM5/14/13
to
ja
GERMAN EURO is the BIGGEST ECONOMY in the world .
EURO block is now BIGGER than USA
USA is number 2 now
not number 1
CHINA number 3
so it looks like the GERMAN people are recreating their
4th REICH empire
all Euro nations are now closely linked to the GERMAN
CENTRAL bank
GERMAN shall control all inflations and economic growth
in EURO Empire
which is BIGGER than USA .
GERMAN OECONOMIA is the CENTRAL ENGINE for all EUROPE
continental POWER.
remember in the middle ages economics was written as
oeconomia .
Germany was composed of many smaller states before 1812 ,
NOW Europe is composed of many nations ,just like
GERMANY was
in the Middle ages.
On May 14, 12:02 pm, "Mao , the HEAD of the CPC , Communist
Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block"
GERMAN EURO is the BIGGEST ECONOMY in the world .
EURO block is now BIGGER than USA
USA is number 2 now
not number 1
CHINA number 3
so it looks like the GERMAN people are recreating their
4th REICH empire
all Euro nations are now closely linked to the GERMAN
CENTRAL bank
GERMAN shall control all inflations and economic growth
in EURO Empire
which is BIGGER than USA .
GERMAN OECONOMIA is the CENTRAL ENGINE for all EUROPE
continental POWER.
remember in the middle ages economics was written as
oeconomia .
Germany was composed of many smaller states before 1812 ,
NOW Europe is composed of many nations ,just like
GERMANY was
in the Middle ages.
On May 14, 12:02 pm, "Mao , the HEAD of the CPC , Communist
Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block"
wakalukong
May 14, 2013, 3:57:42 AM5/14/13
to
hay Lah
the German minister Jorg Asmussen is proposing
some changes in the treaty for an eventual process
which lead to a European Banking Union for
all banks in EURO block which will eventually come
under GERMAN supervision and German ownership .
for example , German central bank has a large holdings
of
Greek bank 's bonds , so eventually
Greek banks will be under German control .
this is the crystallization of the GERMAN REICH through the
European Banking Union which will be dominated by
German laws and German share holders .
the EUROPE will be controlled by German people and
by German Money Power , just like CHINESE MONEY in Malaysia
which
is controlling the Malay daily business transactions
On May 14, 2:32 pm, "emperor Xi Jin Ping , a billionaire and the
HEAD of Chinese Mafia MONOPOLY CPC POWER in CHINA"
the German minister Jorg Asmussen is proposing
some changes in the treaty for an eventual process
which lead to a European Banking Union for
all banks in EURO block which will eventually come
under GERMAN supervision and German ownership .
for example , German central bank has a large holdings
of
Greek bank 's bonds , so eventually
Greek banks will be under German control .
this is the crystallization of the GERMAN REICH through the
European Banking Union which will be dominated by
German laws and German share holders .
the EUROPE will be controlled by German people and
by German Money Power , just like CHINESE MONEY in Malaysia
which
is controlling the Malay daily business transactions
On May 14, 2:32 pm, "emperor Xi Jin Ping , a billionaire and the
HEAD of Chinese Mafia MONOPOLY CPC POWER in CHINA"
wakalukong
May 14, 2013, 10:52:21 AM5/14/13
to
I have never heard of any Jesuit Father Desideri
I read about a Chink Father Frankie who ran away ,
I also knew of a Porn Star called Desideri who
fucked very well in
PORNO films
I have watched many many times .. repeatedly
On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting ?! ...........
>
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>
> PICTURES:http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/ca...
I read about a Chink Father Frankie who ran away ,
I also knew of a Porn Star called Desideri who
fucked very well in
PORNO films
I have watched many many times .. repeatedly
On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> ===============
>
rst0
May 14, 2013, 11:11:57 AM5/14/13
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On May 13, 10:32 pm, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
China is rising fast while the U.S. is declining.
There has never any "true freedom" anywhere in the world including the
U.S.
The latest government power-play; IRS targeted the Tea Party- read
all about it.
>
> None of the Communist countries have these Privileges and thats why
Communism died when the USSR disappeared. You are really beating the
dead horse pretty bad when you kept referring to communism.
Even Cuba is loosing up on its control of the country.
N. Korea is the only country with dictator in control.
> Red China still eat human fetus plus lot of corruptions, as a matter
China has been a country where hunger and starvation were part of life
for over 5,000 years.
Anything edible will be eaten up including human flesh.
> of fact in Freedom country the citizen can blame or make fun out of
> their leaders if there is a mistake but Commies.
Anyone can make fun of their leaders until a point of no return.
Then heads will roll. It's true in every country.
>
> Look at your brother N-Korea, their people have to pretend crying loud
> at Kim JongIl funeral but without tears then their ration meal of the
> month will be cut off 1/2
How do you know? Do you have a spy in N. Korea better than Uncle Sam?
Kim Jong Il died for a week, and Uncle Sam didn't even know about it
until N. Korea made the announcement.
>
> LMAO
Not only your ass, but also your teeth may also fall off.
wrote:
> The true Freedom that can let people speak and vote, with those
> Privileges that transform the nation to better society
China has transformed itself into a much better society.
> Privileges that transform the nation to better society
China is rising fast while the U.S. is declining.
There has never any "true freedom" anywhere in the world including the
U.S.
The latest government power-play; IRS targeted the Tea Party- read
all about it.
>
> None of the Communist countries have these Privileges and thats why
dead horse pretty bad when you kept referring to communism.
Even Cuba is loosing up on its control of the country.
N. Korea is the only country with dictator in control.
> Red China still eat human fetus plus lot of corruptions, as a matter
for over 5,000 years.
Anything edible will be eaten up including human flesh.
> of fact in Freedom country the citizen can blame or make fun out of
> their leaders if there is a mistake but Commies.
Then heads will roll. It's true in every country.
>
> Look at your brother N-Korea, their people have to pretend crying loud
> at Kim JongIl funeral but without tears then their ration meal of the
> month will be cut off 1/2
Kim Jong Il died for a week, and Uncle Sam didn't even know about it
until N. Korea made the announcement.
>
> LMAO
Not only your ass, but also your teeth may also fall off.
Satish
May 14, 2013, 11:14:55 AM5/14/13
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Avenue in Merced, CA. If you insist on making 50 cents per post from
the Chinese Communist party (CCP) dictatorship in Beijing, you'll
upset all your neighbors, especially your Hmong neighbors who
appreciate the privileges of their new citizenship.
If you piss off your patriotic Hmong neighbors, they might quarantine
you in your residence and seize your supply of diapers. And, then, not
even Meichi Thai will agree to wipe you clean. You'll have to shit and
shit in your own bed.
rst0...@yahoo.com who apa rst9...@yahoo.com is a foul smelling
Quisling who is betraying his country not for the proverbial 30 pieces
of silver but for 50 cents per post from the Chinese Communist Party
(CCP) dictatorship in Beijing.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3928/chineseman.gif
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
The 50 Cent Party are Internet commentators (网络评论员, 網絡評論員, wǎnglù
pínglùn yuán) hired by the government of the People's Republic of
China (both local and central) or the Communist Party to post comments
favorable towards party policies in an attempt to shape and sway
public opinion on various Internet message boards. The commentators
are said to be paid for every post that either steers a discussion
away from anti-party or sensitive content on domestic websites,
bulletin board systems, and chatrooms, or that advances the Communist
party line.
*******************
Meichi ThaI (rst0/9's live-in-nurse-cum-maid) has complained to the
Hmong neighbors on Twilight Avenue in Merced, CA about how filthy and
smelly are rst0/9's catheter and his diaper. And very rightly so.
rst0...@yahoo.com (apa rst9...@yahoo.com) of Twilight Avenue in
Merced, CA is indeed a very miserable grumpy old man of 75 - he was
born on February 26, 1938 in the year of the tiger.
rst9/rst0 is a 75-year old retiree. But his maturity belies his age.
rst9 is under the impression that it is not necessary to be rational
and factual if he can hurl choice insults and abuses !!!
It must be rst0/rst9's senility that is speaking for him. He attempts
to reply to a post. But by the time he is ready to type in his reply,
he can no longer remember what/who he is replying to. That's when he
ripostes with his standard nonsensical paragraph of inanities and
profanities not just in the body of the post but, very often, even in
the title of the thread!!
rst0/rst9 is much like the old senile who is so far gone that by the
time he takes off his pants in the bedroom, he has forgotten why he
took them off. So he proceeds to pee and shit in his bed!!
74-year old rst0/rst9 will do himself a big favor if he enrolls
himself in some adult education school. Otherwise he'll continue to
make a spectacle of himself by revealing his appalling ignorance in
everything from history to English.
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rst0/rst9 is indeed from Fujian who came to USA in 1949 as an 11-year
old to be reunited with the purported biological father. Today he is
74. He continues to live in USA shacking up with his gf in Merced,
CA.
But rst0/rst9's puerile behavior has less to do with his age and more
to do with his belief that ad hominem and bluster are enough to hide
the fact that he is incapable of summoning facts or logic to counter
topics that he does not approve of.
rst0/rst9 does not know how to debate. But he is determined to make an
unseemly scene in the hope that his temper tantrums will not only keep
him in the limelight, but more importantly, keep topics that he
detests off the newsgroup for discussion.
And if he can't get himself to do that, he should stop bilking USA and
go back to where his heart really resides, namely, the village of his
birth in China under CCP-dictatorship. That would be the honest thing
to do.
Of course, it is another matter that his gf in Merced, CA will refuse
to follow rst0/rst9 to CCP-land where any deviation of his newsgroup
posts from the official CCP-line will right away lead him to re-
education through labor ( 勞動教養 ). And, then, rst0 might indeed end up
peeing and shitting at the very sight of a keyboard.
Chinese-Americans are by and large a patriotic lot. But there are a
few bad apples who go proactive with their bid to serve the colonial
agenda of CCP-dictatorship. These bad apples had often worked with
defense contractors like Lockheed, Boeing etc. but when opportunity
came they betrayed USA by selling company and US secrets to the CCP-
dictatorship. When caught with their pants down, these bad apples
inevitably landed in jail.
rst0/9, USA respects your freedom of speech. Unlike the CCP-
dictatorship in China, the US government is not going to monitor your
posts on the newsgroup and go after you for your rantings on the
internet. You can bark with impunity without any fear of reprisal by
the US government. But you will make a grave mistake if you ever try
to bite the hand that feeds you by selling Lockheed and US secrets to
the CCP-dictatorship. You will be eventually caught and spend the rest
of your golden years inside jail cells.
Try to be like the normal Chinese-Americans. Ambassador Gary Locke is
a good role model. He has won nothing but admiration from the
ordinary Chinese under CCP-dictatorship.He is far more respected by
the ordinary folks in China than the stinking fat cats in the party
politburo.
As a retired 75-year old, you have ample time in your hand. Your idle
brain has become the devil's workshop. You are 24/7 on the internet
pushing the evil agenda of the CCP-dictatorship in China. But if you
have any brain, you will bark but not bite to avoid ending up in jail
like a few Chinese Americans have for selling US to the CCP-
dictatorship in China for pecuniary gains.
China-born aerospace engineer Dogfang Greg Chung is the same age as 75-
year old rstx. rstx would be wise to steer himself away from the path
of treason that has earned the 75-year old Dongfan Gref Chung a 15
year prison sentence. Here's Dogfang Greg Chung's shameful story:
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http://articles.latimes.com/print/2010/feb/09/local/la-me-chinese-spy9-2010feb09
9-2-2010
Chinese-born engineer gets 15 years in spying for China
Dongfan 'Greg' Chung, who worked with Boeing and Rockwell
International, was accused of providing information on the space
shuttle and Delta IV rocket.
By Patrick J. McDonnell
A Chinese-born aerospace engineer who had access to sensitive material
while working with a pair of major defense contractors in Southern
California was sentenced Monday to more than 15 years in prison for
acquiring secret space shuttle data and other information for China.
U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney in Santa Ana imposed a 188-month
prison term on Dongfan "Greg" Chung, 73, a naturalized U.S. citizen
who lives in Orange.
Carney declared that he could not "put a price tag" on national
security and sought to send a signal to China to "stop sending your
spies here," according to the U.S. attorney's office.
Chung, who worked at Boeing's Huntington Beach plant, denied being a
spy and said he was gathering documents for a book, not for espionage.
His attorneys argued that much of the material was already available
on the public record.
At his sentencing, Chung professed his love for the United States,
even as prosecutors depicted him as a spy who would compromise U.S.
national security.
"Giving China advanced rocket technology is not in the United States'
national interest," said Assistant U.S. Atty. Greg Staples. "There is
a voracious appetite for U.S. technology in China."
Whether loyalty to his homeland or financial gain was Chung's motive
remained unclear. The case is one of a number of prosecutions that
have shed light on alleged Chinese efforts to gain access to U.S.
technology and research through espionage.
Chung was the first suspect tried with attempting to help a foreign
nation under the terms of the 1996 Economic Espionage Act, passed to
help prevent pilfering of sensitive economic information. Chung chose
to have the case heard by the judge rather than a jury.
Chung was convicted last year on charges of economic espionage and
acting as an agent for more than three decades while employed by
Rockwell International and Boeing Co.
When Chung was convicted, Carney said the case revealed Chung's
"secret life" as a "spy" for China. The case against him arose from an
investigation into another engineer, Chi Mak, who worked in the United
States and obtained sensitive military information for China. Mak and
several relatives were convicted of providing defense information to
China, the U.S. attorney's office said. Carney sentenced Mak to more
than 24 years in prison in 2008.
Federal authorities said Chung stole restricted technology and trade
secrets, including data related to the space shuttle and the Delta IV
rocket.
"This case demonstrates our resolve to protect the secrets that help
protect the United States, as well as the important technology
advancements developed by scientists working for companies that
provide crucial support to our national security programs," acting
U.S. Atty. George S. Cardona said Monday in a statement.
Chung held a "secret" security clearance when he worked at Rockwell
and Boeing on the space shuttle program, authorities said. He retired
in 2002 but the next year returned to Boeing as a contractor, a
position he held until September 2006, the U.S. attorney's office
said.
Between 1985 and 2003, Chung made trips to China to deliver lectures
on technology involving the space shuttle and other programs, the
government said. During those trips, Chung met with Chinese government
officials, including military agents, U.S. authorities said.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2010/feb/09/local/la-me-chinese-spy9-2010feb09
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-citizen-sentenced-in-military-data-theft-case/2013/03/25/dc4567fa-9593-11e2-ae32-9ef60436f5c1_story.html
Washington Post
March 25, 2013
Chinese citizen sentenced in military data-theft case
By Peter Finn, Published: March 25
NEWARK, N.J. — Measured in millimeters, the tiny device was designed
to allow drones, missiles and rockets to hit targets without satellite
guidance. An advanced version was being developed secretly for the
U.S. military by a small company and L-3 Communications, a major
defense contractor.
On Monday, Sixing Liu, a Chinese citizen who worked at L-3’s space and
navigation division, was sentenced in federal court here to five years
and 10 months for taking thousands of files about the device, called a
disk resonator gyroscope, and other defense systems to China in
violation of a U.S. arms embargo.
The case illustrates what the FBI calls a growing “insider threat”
that hasn’t drawn as much attention as Chinese cyber operations. But
U.S. authorities warned that this type of espionage can be just as
damaging to national security and American business.
“The reason this technology is on the State Department munitions list,
and controlled . . . is it can navigate, control and position
missiles, aircraft, drones, bombs, lasers and targets very
accurately,” said David Smukowski, president of Sensors in Motion, the
small company in Bellvue, Wash., developing the technology with L-3.
“While it saves lives, it can also be very strategic. It is rocket
science.”
Smukowski estimated that the loss of this tiny piece of technology
alone could ultimately cost the U.S. military hundreds of millions of
dollars.
In the past four years, nearly 100 individual or corporate defendants
have been charged by the Justice Department with stealing trade
secrets or classified information for Chinese entities or exporting
military or dual-use technology to China, according to court records.
A number of other cases involving China remain under seal, according
to the Justice Department.
The targets of all this theft are some of the biggest and best-known
U.S. defense contractors and private companies, with household names
such as Northrop Grumman, Boeing, General Dynamics, Ford, DuPont and
Dow Chemical.
“America is a global leader in the development of military
technologies and, as such, it has become a leading target for the
theft and illicit transfer of such technologies,” said John Carlin,
acting assistant attorney general for national security. “These
schemes represent a threat to our national security. The intelligence
community has assessed China to be among the most aggressive
collectors of sensitive U.S. information and technologies and our
criminal prosecutions across the country reflect that assessment.”
Earlier this month, a Chinese citizen who worked as a contractor at
NASA’s Langley Research Center was arrested at Dulles Airport and
charged with making false statements to federal agents about the
laptop and SIM card he was carrying. According to an FBI affidavit,
the suspect, Bo Jiang, 31, had taken a NASA laptop that contained
sensitive information on a previous trip to China.
Following the arrest, Maj. Gen. Charles F. Bolden Jr., the NASA
administrator, told a House committee that he was limiting access to
NASA for the citizens of several countries, including China, pending a
full security review.
In a classic espionage case, a 59-year-old former Army defense
contractor in Hawaii was charged this month with passing classified
information to his 27-year-old Chinese lover whom he first met at a
military conference.
Benjamin Pierce Bishop, a former Army officer with a top-secret
security clearance, worked at U.S. Pacific Command as a contractor. He
is accused of turning over information about nuclear weapons, missile
defense, and radar systems. The woman may have attended the conference
“to target individuals . . . who work with and have access to U.S.
classified information,” according to an FBI affidavit.
Last year, the FBI began a public campaign to alert the defense
industry and other businesses to the “insider threat.” As part of the
effort, billboards were placed along commuter corridors near nine
leading research centers.
C. Frank Figliuzzi, the former head of the FBI’s Counterintelligence
Division, told Congress last year that perhaps the most important
measure against the theft of proprietary information “is identifying
and taking defensive measures against employees.”
Liu, who holds a doctorate in electrical engineering, came to the
United States in 1993 and held a series of jobs at Bandag and Primex,
tire manufacturers, and John Deere. In 2009, he went to work at L-3’s
space and navigation division in northern New Jersey, where he was
part of a team of engineers testing the technology created by Sensors
in Motion, a pioneer in gyroscope-based navigation and guidance
systems.
Liu made two trips to China, in 2009 and 2010, and each time he made
several presentations on the technology he was working on without the
permission of his employers, according to prosecutors. Before the
second trip, in November 2010, Liu made an electronic archive of his
work e-mail and transferred it to his personal computer along with the
entire Sensors in Motion program folder, according to court records.
Liu told his supervisor he was going on vacation to Chicago, but
instead he spent more than two weeks in China, speaking at a
technology conference organized by the Chinese government and Chinese
universities, prosecutors said.
Federal prosecutors said that Liu was in China to use his knowledge
about cutting-edge defense technology get a job at a premier Chinese
aeronautical institute. Along with thousands of proprietary documents,
Liu’s computer contained a lengthy résuméof 25 projects on which he
had worked for L-3; each project was identified by its connection to
the U.S. military, according to court records.
Liu was stopped on his return from China in November 2010 and
eventually arrested in March 2011. After a jury trial, Liu was
convicted last September of violating the Arms Export Control Act and
possessing and transporting stolen trade secrets.
In court Wednesday, Liu, the 50-year-old father of three, including
two U.S. citizens, told the judge that he did not intend to harm the
United States and suggested that the case was a political prosecution.
Addressing the judge before sentencing, he said he had a message for
his children, “Believe me, Daddy didn’t do anything.”
Liu’s attorney, James D. Tunick, interrupted his client’s rambling
speech several times, apparently to get Liu to tone down assertions
that the case was political. Tunick had previously argued that Liu
“only revealed very limited information in China” and the downloaded
documents were for the scientist’s “own personal knowledge.”
“Doctor, this is not a political prosecution,” said U.S. District
Court Judge Stanley R. Chesler who ruled that Liu’s actions benefited
the Chinese government. He noted that Liu downloaded documents for
programs in which he had no involvement, though the judge said Liu
knew “just how sensitive the material he had was.”
When FBI agents raided Liu’s house in March 2011, they found
proprietary material from Bandag, Primex and John Deere as well as
L-3. “We believe Sixing Liu was a serial thief,” said Assistant U.S.
Attorney L. Judson Welle, who had asked for an eight-year sentence.
Officials from the other companies declined to comment or did not
respond to requests from The Washington Post. But Smukowski of Sensors
in Motion said: “What a tragedy all around. For us, for him, and for
American technology prowess.”
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http://www.newser.com/article/da0v55100/chinese-born-american-sentenced-to-4-years-in-prison-for-stealing-trade-secrets-from-motorola.html
AFP
August 29, 2012
Chinese-born American sentenced to 4 years in prison for stealing
trade secrets from Motorola
Motorola trade secrets thief gets 4-year term
By JASON KEYSER
A Chinese-born American convicted of stealing trade secrets from
Motorola was sentenced Wednesday to 4 years in prison in a case that
prosecutors hoped would send a message to those who might be tempted
to siphon vital information from U.S. companies.
Hanjuan Jin, who worked as a software engineer for Motorola Inc. for
nine years, was stopped during a random security search at O'Hare
International Airport on Feb. 28, 2007, before she could board a
flight to China. Prosecutors say she was carrying $31,000 and hundreds
of confidential Motorola documents, many stored on a laptop, four
external hard drives, thumb drives and other devices.
U.S. District Judge Ruben Castillo found Jin guilty in February of
stealing trade secrets but acquitted her of more serious charges of
economic espionage, explaining that the evidence fell short of proving
she stole the information on behalf of a foreign government or entity.
Prosecutors alleged that among the secrets she carried were
descriptions of a walkie-talkie type feature on Motorola cellphones
that prosecutors argued would have benefited the Chinese military.
Jin's lawyers say the naturalized U.S. citizen was not an agent of
China and took the files merely to refresh her knowledge after a long
absence from work. They asked the judge for probation and said in a
court filing last week that "Jin has overwhelming remorse and regret"
for her actions and "continues to suffer from the collateral
consequences of her admittedly poor choice."
After her conviction, prosecutors said they hoped the ruling would
send a message that such crimes come with heavy penalties. They said
they also hoped the trial would demonstrate to U.S. companies that
they can report such crimes and not risk their trade secrets being
revealed in court.
Prosecutors say the former University of Notre Dame graduate student
began downloading files at her Chicago-area Motorola office after
returning from an extended medical leave just a few days earlier.
During the trial, prosecutor Christopher Stetler told the court that
Jin "led a double life" as a seemingly loyal company worker who was
actually plotting to steal her employer's secrets.
Even before returning to Motorola to download files over the several
days in February 2007 prosecutors say Jin had already begun working
for China-based Sun Kaisens, a telecommunications firm that government
attorneys say develops products for China's military.
But the defense insisted Jin harbored no ill intent and merely grabbed
the files to refresh her technical knowledge after her long absence
from work. They also said prosecutors overvalued the technology in
question, saying the walkie-talkie feature is no longer cutting edge
and would have been of little military value.
In his February ruling, Judge Castillo wrote that the government
hadn't met several requirements to prove economic espionage, including
clearly demonstrating that Jin knew the materials she stole could
benefit China or its military.
Jin was allowed to remain free pending Wednesday's sentencing, though
she had to wear electronic monitoring and was confined to her Aurora
home.
Motorola Inc. has since become Motorola Solutions Inc., in suburban
Schaumburg.
*************
rst0
May 14, 2013, 11:32:50 AM5/14/13
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Satish, why must you lie and post lies on soc.culture.china?
You don't know what it means to be a man, and understand less of being
a human.
You are an animal.
Satish, all you do is making up lies to post on this forum.
Why don't you go and post at soc.culture.indian.
That is where animals like you belongs.
You don't know what it means to be a man, and understand less of being
a human.
You are an animal.
Satish, all you do is making up lies to post on this forum.
Why don't you go and post at soc.culture.indian.
That is where animals like you belongs.
Fusako Shigennobu , Japanese RED ARMY
May 15, 2013, 11:20:38 AM5/15/13
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wakalukong
so you watch PORNO movies ?
On May 15, 9:57 pm, wakaluk...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> --------
>
> You're wakalukong? Balls! You're komin the thief, who steals other posters' names and uses 110 usernames to talk to yourself. What a loser! Have the birds returned your fermented balls?
>
> Usernames of Komin (110 names):
>
> wakalukong (stolen)
>
> waka…....@yahoo.com.sg (stolen)
>
> Fucking Wakalukong the Pedophile Turd
>
> Wakalukong the Spastic denies 9 million Chinese in Malaysia want Malaysia which refuses to grant Chinese in Malaysia their Chinese Equality Rights with Malays
>
> wakaluokng , the New Chinese NATIVE of ASEAN ,.. or WAKALUKONG , THE COMING future ASEANIAN
>
> [Note: “wakalukong” is stolen and used by thief Komin hoping to pass himself off as me].
>
> Komin
>
> Komin , the ONLY ONE REAL KOMIN
>
> Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd <voivodv...@gmail.com>
>
> Slobo
>
> Jew Jesus Isa Yesua Christ fucks Frankie Lee 's Chinese Ass
>
> Jew Jesus Isa Yesua Christ fucks Frankie Lee 's Chinese Ass Hole with lovingly pleasure as they both are gay lovers
>
> Jew Isa Yesua
>
> Schlomo Gazit , Head of Israeli Military Intelligence Agency , Israel Jew Nation
>
> general TiTus Flavius Vesparian , the destroyer of the Jewish Nation and the persecutor of the Jewish people
>
> Jesus Isa Yesua Christo , a long-term fucker of St. Mary 's cunt hole, was a CROOK and a FAKE SON of GOD ALLAH
>
> Jesus Christ, a long – term fucker of the Prostitute St. Mary’s cunt hole, is an Unique Son of GOD
>
> Isa Jessus Yasua Christ , a Con - Man and a Fake Son of a Fake JEW GOD , according to the JEWS
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ , a mentally Sick Person who became the HEAD of White POWER , called GOD as his Father without PROOF
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ , a Mentally SICK person who had wanted to be THE ONLY SON of GOD
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ , a Self Proclaimed Son of God , was a STRONG AnTi - TawHid
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Jewish Christ , the Human scum becomes today the White God after having resurrected from Death in a Nisan car to be an Anti TawHid
>
> Jesus Christ , the RE-Incarnation of Lee Kuan Yew
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ Komin , a long- term spend – drift in Gulf of Si- Am.
>
> Jesus Isa Christ , who claimed to have been the ONLY SON of Yo He Wa Hey , was a Married Man , according to Coptic Prof Karen King
>
> Simon ba Kochba , the Son of God and a Jewish Messiah ( the same as JesuS Yesu Isa Christ )
>
> Ben Allen , Ben Zygier , both Australian Jews were working for Mossad Jewish Intelligence Agency
>
> Coptic Priest Zakaria Boutros ( Botros ) , the instigator for the film Innocences of the Muslims
>
> Allah , your only God Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God, you are only authorized to have Allah as your only God.
>
> prophet Muhammud the Child Fucker
>
> prophet Muhammud fucked tenderly 12 year 's old girl with loving Arab BIG Cock
>
> prophet Muhammud , the propagandist for Allah ' s Tawhid , loved teenage girl 's cunt hole
>
> prophet Muhammud the Human Scum who fucked teenage girl’s cunt hole , was a Strong Propagandist for AllAh’s Tawhid
>
> the E V I L Prophet Muhammud fucked teenage gril 's cunt , was a DIRTY Human Scum
>
> Qurajshi Meccan Army, the persecuting force against the Heretic Mohammud who falsely claimed himself to have been a Prophet of God Allah
>
> Rafed Al Junabi , the CurveBall who fed the CIA and NSA false info about Saddam Hussein’s Biological WEAPON Mobile VANS which Stupid Black general Colin Powell presented as Evidence to the UN to justify the second Iraq War
>
> Akbar Bugti , a Baloch Freedom Fighter for an Independent Baluchistan
>
> the Black LEARN GA COCK of the Indian Black Fucking Budha
>
> the Black LEARN GA kock of the Fucking Boudha
>
> the LEARNGA Black Cock of the Indian Black Fucking Budha
>
> Indian Black Budha
>
> Black Budha with HIS holy BLACK LEARNGA FUCKING COCK
>
> the Human Scum Black Indian Prince Gautama who became a Holy Budha after Prince Gautama got tired of Cunt Fuckings
>
> Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
>
> Vishnu Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh RSS HINDU
>
> Guru BaBa RamDev , a Freedom Fighter against all Corruptions
> Subhas Chandra Bose , Freedom Fighter for India 's Independence , at Kalkuta , 1942
>
> Khambo Lama Dashi - Dorzho Itigilov ,Supreme Leader of Russian Budhist Philosophy at Ivolginsky Datsan ,in Buryatia ,Outer Mongolia
>
> Miss Suck Cock Luck Chinawat , leader of Chinese loves Thai ‘ s land Party , Thai Rak Thai
>
> Major general Sok Kong, the Senior Vietnamese military Residence of Sokimex in Cambodia
>
> Chea Sim, president of Cambodia
>
> Chea Sim the Fake Communist, now functioning as the Khmer President of Cambodia
>
> Khmer Rouge Hun Sen the Fake Communist now the Khmer Mafia Boss of Cambodia
>
> Khmer Rouge HUN SEN the EkkaTat , the Singled eyed Mafia Boss of Cambodiia
>
> Shorbonnian , the Pleroma of Sophia ( VIETTELCAMBODIA staff ), fucks SO KHUN, MINISTER OF POSTS & TELECOMMUNICATIONS THE KINGDOM OF CAMBODIA and rstOwxyz
>
> Commander Serk , military spokesperson for United ethnic Chinese Wa Army of Shan state of East Myanmar
>
> charlie Vietcong
>
> charlie vietcong , fighter for communism Tawhid
>
> Ameril Umbrakato , leader of the BIFF muslem fighters for an Independent Mindanao Islamic nation
>
> Ameril Umbrakato
>
> Ratu Adil , native Freedom Fighter against Dutch Baron de Kock of East Indies Army
>
> Richard Youweni , PaPua ' s Independent Freedom Fighter
>
> mussa hassan
>
> Mussa Hassan , Malay Chief of Police of Malaysia
>
> mussa hassan , Chief of Police of Malaysia
>
> Mussa Hassan , Chief of Police of Malaysia , Ketuanan Malayu
>
> Hang Tuah , Takkan Melayu Hilang di Dunia , ketuanan Melayu
>
> when does a Chinese deny a Chinese is a Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian
>
> Prince Al Waleed of Kingdom Investment Group
>
> CPC – Communist Party of China
>
> CPC , Chinese Imperialist Communist Party of CHINA , the New Imperialist Force in ASEAN
>
> Chairman Mao, expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl’s cunts in China
>
> Mao, the Head of the CPC
>
> Mao, the Head of the CPC , Communist Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block
>
> Huang (yellow) Jin (gold) Rong (felicitas) , Head of Mafia of Shanghai Chin Syndicate and God Father to Young Chiang Tzer Chin (Chiang Kai Chek) , who became the President of the Chinese Republic
>
> Empress Wu Tzer Tian , the SHE Budha resulting from a Re-Incarnation of an Idealized Black Indian Budha with Big Fucking Black Cock from India
>
> Miss Laure Shan Wen Jie , the Chinese Lady GaGa from Shaghai
>
> Dai Li , the Himmler of China and the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics ( Chinese CIA ) of the KMT
>
> Zang FangZhou, famous Chinese blogger , Beijing. China
>
> Xi JINPING , Head of the CPC , Communist Party of CHINA
>
> Liu Xiao Por is calling for an END to CPC 's ONE PARTY TOTAL MONOPOLY POWER in CHINA , resulting in Liu Xiao Por 's wife now under House Arrest
>
> Bo Xilai , ex- memeber of the CPC .
>
> Zang Fang Zhou , PLA centre for CYBER - WARFARE unit 61398 , Shang Hai , CHINA
>
> Miss Tibet Tenzin Yangkyi of the Tibetan Nation which was confiscated by the Chinese , just like Lower Cambodia Mekong Delta which was confiscated by the Vietnamese
>
> Kim Jong Un , the Re - Incarnation of Kim IL Sung
>
> his excellency Itoh , the Japanese Advisor to the Manchu Imperial Government
>
> Itoh San , Japanese Advisor to the last Manchu Imperial government in Beijing CHINA
>
> Hiroshi Oshima , Japanese Ambassador to the Third Reich AD 1940 Berlin
>
> Fusako Shigennobu , Japanese RED ARMY
>
> Lee Kuan Yew , Singapore 's Senior Chinese Power Monopolist
>
> Lee Kuan Yew , a political MoNoPolist calling himself as a Singaporean simply because Lee Kuan Yew is a 100% pure Chinese , and not a Malaysian with hidden Chinese Characteristics
>
> Lee Kuan Yew the re- Incarnation of Isa Yeshua Jesus Christ who was a MENTALLY SICK person
>
> Lee Kuan Yew the re- Incarnation of Isa Yeshua Jesus Christ
>
> Old Chinaman Lee Kuan Yew the old Human Scum in Singapore , all OLD ChinaMen are all Human Scums
>
> Frankie Lee loves American dicks in his gay Chinkiee Ass Hole
>
> Neolin , native Algonquin Americam prophet warning against White Christian priest 's Biological Germ Warfares against Native people of America
>
> Neolin Algonquin prophet
> Charly Rose @ Bloomberg.com for a Serious Conversation
>
> Alexo Rastani , an Independent Analyst on US Financial Market
>
> Dr. Lan T Pham , the Former Principle Financial Analyst at the Congressional Budget Office and a Whistle Blower exposing the Frauds at MERS which holds 70 million mortgages worth 7 trillion US$ inside USA
>
> Lord Wharton , President of HeLL Fire Club , at The CLINK in LONDON , UK
>
> Rupert Murdoch the Jew Boss from Australia of News Corp
>
> Valerie TrierWeiler , First Lady of France and Fucking partner with the French President Hollande
>
> Ameriquo di Rupo , Chief Socialist of Wallon French Block
>
> Pruteno Barta , the Original Real Non –Germanic Prussian in Non -Germanic pre - Germanised Prussia which was still PaGan in 1240 AD
>
> Kosta Vaxevannis , the Whistle Blower who gave a list of 2000 Greek names who have billions of Euro deposits in Swiis Banks , is jailed by Greek government
>
> George Fernandez, now posting as Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd, was also posting as George Ramayah, was a Chinese from Indonesia
>
> Wanka Chink Kong
>
> Wanking Chink Cunt
>
> *
>
> Wakalukong
so you watch PORNO movies ?
On May 15, 9:57 pm, wakaluk...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:52:21 PM UTC+8, wakalukong wrote:
> > I have never heard of any Jesuit Father Desideri
>
> (snip)
> > I have never heard of any Jesuit Father Desideri
>
> --------
>
> You're wakalukong? Balls! You're komin the thief, who steals other posters' names and uses 110 usernames to talk to yourself. What a loser! Have the birds returned your fermented balls?
>
> Usernames of Komin (110 names):
>
> wakalukong (stolen)
>
> waka…....@yahoo.com.sg (stolen)
>
> Fucking Wakalukong the Pedophile Turd
>
> Wakalukong the Spastic denies 9 million Chinese in Malaysia want Malaysia which refuses to grant Chinese in Malaysia their Chinese Equality Rights with Malays
>
> wakaluokng , the New Chinese NATIVE of ASEAN ,.. or WAKALUKONG , THE COMING future ASEANIAN
>
> [Note: “wakalukong” is stolen and used by thief Komin hoping to pass himself off as me].
>
> Komin
>
> Komin , the ONLY ONE REAL KOMIN
>
> Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd <voivodv...@gmail.com>
>
> Slobo
>
> Jew Jesus Isa Yesua Christ fucks Frankie Lee 's Chinese Ass
>
> Jew Jesus Isa Yesua Christ fucks Frankie Lee 's Chinese Ass Hole with lovingly pleasure as they both are gay lovers
>
> Jew Isa Yesua
>
> Schlomo Gazit , Head of Israeli Military Intelligence Agency , Israel Jew Nation
>
> general TiTus Flavius Vesparian , the destroyer of the Jewish Nation and the persecutor of the Jewish people
>
> Jesus Isa Yesua Christo , a long-term fucker of St. Mary 's cunt hole, was a CROOK and a FAKE SON of GOD ALLAH
>
> Jesus Christ, a long – term fucker of the Prostitute St. Mary’s cunt hole, is an Unique Son of GOD
>
> Isa Jessus Yasua Christ , a Con - Man and a Fake Son of a Fake JEW GOD , according to the JEWS
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ , a mentally Sick Person who became the HEAD of White POWER , called GOD as his Father without PROOF
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ , a Mentally SICK person who had wanted to be THE ONLY SON of GOD
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ , a Self Proclaimed Son of God , was a STRONG AnTi - TawHid
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Jewish Christ , the Human scum becomes today the White God after having resurrected from Death in a Nisan car to be an Anti TawHid
>
> Jesus Christ , the RE-Incarnation of Lee Kuan Yew
>
> Jesus Isa Yeshua Christ Komin , a long- term spend – drift in Gulf of Si- Am.
>
> Jesus Isa Christ , who claimed to have been the ONLY SON of Yo He Wa Hey , was a Married Man , according to Coptic Prof Karen King
>
> Simon ba Kochba , the Son of God and a Jewish Messiah ( the same as JesuS Yesu Isa Christ )
>
> Ben Allen , Ben Zygier , both Australian Jews were working for Mossad Jewish Intelligence Agency
>
> Coptic Priest Zakaria Boutros ( Botros ) , the instigator for the film Innocences of the Muslims
>
> Allah , your only God Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God, you are only authorized to have Allah as your only God.
>
> prophet Muhammud the Child Fucker
>
> prophet Muhammud fucked tenderly 12 year 's old girl with loving Arab BIG Cock
>
> prophet Muhammud , the propagandist for Allah ' s Tawhid , loved teenage girl 's cunt hole
>
> prophet Muhammud the Human Scum who fucked teenage girl’s cunt hole , was a Strong Propagandist for AllAh’s Tawhid
>
> the E V I L Prophet Muhammud fucked teenage gril 's cunt , was a DIRTY Human Scum
>
> Qurajshi Meccan Army, the persecuting force against the Heretic Mohammud who falsely claimed himself to have been a Prophet of God Allah
>
> Rafed Al Junabi , the CurveBall who fed the CIA and NSA false info about Saddam Hussein’s Biological WEAPON Mobile VANS which Stupid Black general Colin Powell presented as Evidence to the UN to justify the second Iraq War
>
> Akbar Bugti , a Baloch Freedom Fighter for an Independent Baluchistan
>
> the Black LEARN GA COCK of the Indian Black Fucking Budha
>
> the Black LEARN GA kock of the Fucking Boudha
>
> the LEARNGA Black Cock of the Indian Black Fucking Budha
>
> Indian Black Budha
>
> Black Budha with HIS holy BLACK LEARNGA FUCKING COCK
>
> the Human Scum Black Indian Prince Gautama who became a Holy Budha after Prince Gautama got tired of Cunt Fuckings
>
> Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
>
> Vishnu Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh RSS HINDU
>
> Guru BaBa RamDev , a Freedom Fighter against all Corruptions
> Subhas Chandra Bose , Freedom Fighter for India 's Independence , at Kalkuta , 1942
>
> Khambo Lama Dashi - Dorzho Itigilov ,Supreme Leader of Russian Budhist Philosophy at Ivolginsky Datsan ,in Buryatia ,Outer Mongolia
>
> Miss Suck Cock Luck Chinawat , leader of Chinese loves Thai ‘ s land Party , Thai Rak Thai
>
> Major general Sok Kong, the Senior Vietnamese military Residence of Sokimex in Cambodia
>
> Chea Sim, president of Cambodia
>
> Chea Sim the Fake Communist, now functioning as the Khmer President of Cambodia
>
> Khmer Rouge Hun Sen the Fake Communist now the Khmer Mafia Boss of Cambodia
>
> Khmer Rouge HUN SEN the EkkaTat , the Singled eyed Mafia Boss of Cambodiia
>
> Shorbonnian , the Pleroma of Sophia ( VIETTELCAMBODIA staff ), fucks SO KHUN, MINISTER OF POSTS & TELECOMMUNICATIONS THE KINGDOM OF CAMBODIA and rstOwxyz
>
> Commander Serk , military spokesperson for United ethnic Chinese Wa Army of Shan state of East Myanmar
>
> charlie Vietcong
>
> charlie vietcong , fighter for communism Tawhid
>
> Ameril Umbrakato , leader of the BIFF muslem fighters for an Independent Mindanao Islamic nation
>
> Ameril Umbrakato
>
> Ratu Adil , native Freedom Fighter against Dutch Baron de Kock of East Indies Army
>
> Richard Youweni , PaPua ' s Independent Freedom Fighter
>
> mussa hassan
>
> Mussa Hassan , Malay Chief of Police of Malaysia
>
> mussa hassan , Chief of Police of Malaysia
>
> Mussa Hassan , Chief of Police of Malaysia , Ketuanan Malayu
>
> Hang Tuah , Takkan Melayu Hilang di Dunia , ketuanan Melayu
>
> when does a Chinese deny a Chinese is a Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian
>
> Prince Al Waleed of Kingdom Investment Group
>
> CPC – Communist Party of China
>
> CPC , Chinese Imperialist Communist Party of CHINA , the New Imperialist Force in ASEAN
>
> Chairman Mao, expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl’s cunts in China
>
> Mao, the Head of the CPC
>
> Mao, the Head of the CPC , Communist Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block
>
> Huang (yellow) Jin (gold) Rong (felicitas) , Head of Mafia of Shanghai Chin Syndicate and God Father to Young Chiang Tzer Chin (Chiang Kai Chek) , who became the President of the Chinese Republic
>
> Empress Wu Tzer Tian , the SHE Budha resulting from a Re-Incarnation of an Idealized Black Indian Budha with Big Fucking Black Cock from India
>
> Miss Laure Shan Wen Jie , the Chinese Lady GaGa from Shaghai
>
> Dai Li , the Himmler of China and the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics ( Chinese CIA ) of the KMT
>
> Zang FangZhou, famous Chinese blogger , Beijing. China
>
> Xi JINPING , Head of the CPC , Communist Party of CHINA
>
> Liu Xiao Por is calling for an END to CPC 's ONE PARTY TOTAL MONOPOLY POWER in CHINA , resulting in Liu Xiao Por 's wife now under House Arrest
>
> Bo Xilai , ex- memeber of the CPC .
>
> Zang Fang Zhou , PLA centre for CYBER - WARFARE unit 61398 , Shang Hai , CHINA
>
> emperor Xi Jin Ping , a billionaire and the HEAD of Chinese Mafia MONOPOLY CPC POWER in CHINA
>
> Narlan Xinder Ming Zhu , a Manchu Nobility and the father of Jia bao Yu who was the tragic hero of the Maison Rouge , a famous Chinese classic
> emperor Xi Jin Ping , a billionaire and the HEAD of Chinese Mafia MONOPOLY CPC POWER in CHINA
>
>
> Miss Tibet Tenzin Yangkyi of the Tibetan Nation which was confiscated by the Chinese , just like Lower Cambodia Mekong Delta which was confiscated by the Vietnamese
>
> Kim Jong Un , the Re - Incarnation of Kim IL Sung
>
> his excellency Itoh , the Japanese Advisor to the Manchu Imperial Government
>
> Itoh San , Japanese Advisor to the last Manchu Imperial government in Beijing CHINA
>
> Hiroshi Oshima , Japanese Ambassador to the Third Reich AD 1940 Berlin
>
> Fusako Shigennobu , Japanese RED ARMY
>
> Lee Kuan Yew , Singapore 's Senior Chinese Power Monopolist
>
> Lee Kuan Yew , a political MoNoPolist calling himself as a Singaporean simply because Lee Kuan Yew is a 100% pure Chinese , and not a Malaysian with hidden Chinese Characteristics
>
> Lee Kuan Yew the re- Incarnation of Isa Yeshua Jesus Christ who was a MENTALLY SICK person
>
> Lee Kuan Yew the re- Incarnation of Isa Yeshua Jesus Christ
>
> Old Chinaman Lee Kuan Yew the old Human Scum in Singapore , all OLD ChinaMen are all Human Scums
>
> Frankie Lee loves American dicks in his gay Chinkiee Ass Hole
>
> Neolin , native Algonquin Americam prophet warning against White Christian priest 's Biological Germ Warfares against Native people of America
>
> Neolin Algonquin prophet
> Charly Rose @ Bloomberg.com for a Serious Conversation
>
> Alexo Rastani , an Independent Analyst on US Financial Market
>
> Dr. Lan T Pham , the Former Principle Financial Analyst at the Congressional Budget Office and a Whistle Blower exposing the Frauds at MERS which holds 70 million mortgages worth 7 trillion US$ inside USA
>
> Lord Wharton , President of HeLL Fire Club , at The CLINK in LONDON , UK
>
> Rupert Murdoch the Jew Boss from Australia of News Corp
>
> Valerie TrierWeiler , First Lady of France and Fucking partner with the French President Hollande
>
> Ameriquo di Rupo , Chief Socialist of Wallon French Block
>
> Pruteno Barta , the Original Real Non –Germanic Prussian in Non -Germanic pre - Germanised Prussia which was still PaGan in 1240 AD
>
> Kosta Vaxevannis , the Whistle Blower who gave a list of 2000 Greek names who have billions of Euro deposits in Swiis Banks , is jailed by Greek government
>
> George Fernandez, now posting as Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd, was also posting as George Ramayah, was a Chinese from Indonesia
>
> Wanka Chink Kong
>
> Wanking Chink Cunt
>
> *
>
> Wakalukong
Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia
May 17, 2013, 10:02:23 AM5/17/13
to
You are from Cambodia
Do you know why your use of many nick names in answering back to your own
posts, it is like saying to posters here that your mouth is talking back to
your ass.
It is like talking to a thief - back and forth.
When you keep doing at it, you becomes like a neurotic thief patient .
If you stop spamming your posts here with so many answering back of your own
many nick names, it is like stopping your ass from talking back to your
mouth.
Choosing and picking of 116 nick names can be a confusion to yourself.
It drains your heart and mind away.
It is a like a heart attack.
Your mind and heart coordination becomes confused.
It leads you to become like a confused patient.
If you stop the spamming many nicknames to your posts, there will be less
cluttering of posts here.
If you stop cluttering your many nicknames on your posts here, posters have
more time to read them.
If you just used one nick name, your post will be read and answered, like
any other posts in just the same respectful way.
A good post will be read and answered if there is no meaningless one line
post
A one line post will not get an answer.
Remember, posters have choices of reading and answering your posts.
Putting more nick names will not help your post.
Answering your own posts will not help your name.
Your reputation of yourself is ruined by yourself
Remember, one nick name is enough.
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"Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive East
Malaysia" wrote in message
news:76e2fb5b-fed5-44b7...@qc10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
or shut this church down ,.
this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> ===============
>
> PICTURES:http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/ca...
>
> Catholic Church in Tibet
> June 7, 2010 by Robert Hutchinson
> Filed under Catholicism, Writing & Blogging
>
> I�ve been fascinated by Tibet my entire life � ever since I read, as
> an 11-year-old, Alexandra David-Neel�s classic Magic and Mystery in
> Seven Years in Tibet... Thubten Norbu�s Tibet is My Country... and
> Lama Anagarika Govinda�s The Way of the White Clouds.
> more than 40 years� eventually discovering the works of Chogyam
> Dalai Lama)� large monasteries and converts� different religious
> �orders� (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal �sects� such
> as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)� elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
> vestments, incense and the like� a highly developed iconography�
> different mystical traditions that date back millennia� a wide variety
> of saints� and on and on. What�s more, both the Catholic Church and
> mock my taste in music as �weird Tibetan music� because I listen to
> with Tibetan philosophical masters (geshe)� and did his best to
> cleansing� (such as importing Han Chinese to run all of the central
> model of religious tolerance and forbearance� when, in fact, the
> monasteries.
>
> LHASA, May 31 (Xinhua) � Every daybreak on the southeast edge of the
> still share the same culture and lifestyle after all.�
> of the past,� says Father Laurent.
Do you know why your use of many nick names in answering back to your own
posts, it is like saying to posters here that your mouth is talking back to
your ass.
It is like talking to a thief - back and forth.
When you keep doing at it, you becomes like a neurotic thief patient .
If you stop spamming your posts here with so many answering back of your own
many nick names, it is like stopping your ass from talking back to your
mouth.
Choosing and picking of 116 nick names can be a confusion to yourself.
It drains your heart and mind away.
It is a like a heart attack.
Your mind and heart coordination becomes confused.
It leads you to become like a confused patient.
If you stop the spamming many nicknames to your posts, there will be less
cluttering of posts here.
If you stop cluttering your many nicknames on your posts here, posters have
more time to read them.
If you just used one nick name, your post will be read and answered, like
any other posts in just the same respectful way.
A good post will be read and answered if there is no meaningless one line
post
A one line post will not get an answer.
Remember, posters have choices of reading and answering your posts.
Putting more nick names will not help your post.
Answering your own posts will not help your name.
Your reputation of yourself is ruined by yourself
Remember, one nick name is enough.
It makes cluttering of posts clean and tidy.
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Do you agree?
"Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive East
news:76e2fb5b-fed5-44b7...@qc10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
or shut this church down ,.
this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> ===============
>
> PICTURES:http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/ca...
>
> Catholic Church in Tibet
> June 7, 2010 by Robert Hutchinson
> Filed under Catholicism, Writing & Blogging
>
> an 11-year-old, Alexandra David-Neel�s classic Magic and Mystery in
> Tibet (a book I still own and reread). As a child, I scooped up every
> book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
> Jr.�s Out of This World to Forbidden Tibet� Heinrich Harrer�s classic
> book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
> Seven Years in Tibet... Thubten Norbu�s Tibet is My Country... and
> Lama Anagarika Govinda�s The Way of the White Clouds.
>
> Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
> Horizon�s fantasy obviously appeals to millions of westerners� that of
> Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
> a peaceful kingdom of meditating monks living in an isolated plateau
> in the faraway mountains. But I�ve maintained my interest in Tibet for
> more than 40 years� eventually discovering the works of Chogyam
> Trungpa and other westernized lamas. The peaceful Tibetans struck me
> as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
> Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
> traits � a central authority figure who serves for life (the pope,
> as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
> Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
> Dalai Lama)� large monasteries and converts� different religious
> �orders� (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal �sects� such
> as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)� elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
> vestments, incense and the like� a highly developed iconography�
> different mystical traditions that date back millennia� a wide variety
> of saints� and on and on. What�s more, both the Catholic Church and
> the Tibetans have been persecuted by murderous secular regimes hell-
> bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
>
> My heart has always gone out to the Tibetans� and still does. (My kids
> bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
>
> mock my taste in music as �weird Tibetan music� because I listen to
> the eerie, otherworldly music of such Tibetan artists as the beautiful
> Yungchen Lhamo.)
>
> I�ve also long been fascinated by the story of Fr. Ippolito Desideri,
> Yungchen Lhamo.)
>
> S.J., a Jesuit missionary who established a mission in Lhasa in
> 1712-1727� mastered the Tibetan language� engaged in regular debates
> with Tibetan philosophical masters (geshe)� and did his best to
> describe and explain the strange mystical traditions of Tibetan
> Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
> professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
> general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
> to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
>
> All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
> Church in Tibet � which I have never known existed. Wonders never
> Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
> professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
> general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
> to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
>
> All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
> cease. The article is from the Communist-controlled Xinhua news
> agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
> of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
> millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
> mid-1950s and have continued to practice a form of �ethnic
> agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
> of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
> millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
> cleansing� (such as importing Han Chinese to run all of the central
> organizations in Tibet) ever since. They have a vested interest in
> portraying the Chinese-dominated �Tibetan Autonomous Region� as a
> model of religious tolerance and forbearance� when, in fact, the
> Chinese have done everything in their power to stamp out Tibetan
> Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
> Tibet, subject to rigid oversight� just not Tibetan Buddhist
> Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
> monasteries.
>
> LHASA, May 31 (Xinhua) � Every daybreak on the southeast edge of the
> Tibetan Plateau, Lucy walks into the only Catholic Church in Tibet,
> dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
> before praying.
>
> Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
> since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
> her the Western name.
>
> But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
> prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
>
> Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
> presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
> Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
>
> The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
> west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
> as �Yerkalo�, and is adorned with gesang flowers in its court, where
> dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
> before praying.
>
> Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
> since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
> her the Western name.
>
> But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
> prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
>
> Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
> presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
> Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
>
> The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
> west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
> white hada frame the religious artworks.
>
> Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
> structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
> adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
>
> Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
> He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
> and died in 1901.
>
> After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
> a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
> when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
> Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
> local authorities, the Qamdo People�s Liberation Committee, to return
>
> Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
> structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
> adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
>
> Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
> He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
> and died in 1901.
>
> After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
> a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
> when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
> Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
> it to them.
>
> That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
> and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
>
> The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
> Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
> a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
> which came from the government.
>
> Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
> population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
> parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
> monasteries.
>
> �Many villagers bring their babies to be baptized, and the baptism is
>
> That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
> and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
>
> The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
> Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
> a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
> which came from the government.
>
> Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
> population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
> parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
> monasteries.
>
> performed over eight consecutive days. The babies will receive
> religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
> their whole lives, and when they die, they will be buried,� he says.
> religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
>
> But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
> says, the priest will instead go to the couple�s home and pray for
> But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
> them.
>
> Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
> Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
>
> Maria says they are both pious and respect each other�s beliefs � �We
>
> Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
> Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
>
> still share the same culture and lifestyle after all.�
>
> When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
> husband and the village folk to celebrate.
> �After all these years of coexistence, couples who belong to different
> When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
> husband and the village folk to celebrate.
> religions in the village can stick to their own faiths when they marry
> and their children can choose their own religion once they grow up.�
>
> At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
> come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
>
> �Religious conflicts between the Catholics and Buddhists are a thing
> At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
> come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
>
> of the past,� says Father Laurent.
Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia
May 17, 2013, 10:02:36 AM5/17/13
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"Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive East
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this church symbolises WHITE POWER 's intrusion into Yellow
Race 's territory
On May 14, 10:29 am, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia"
<verinvanv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
>
> or shut this church down ,.
>
> this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
>
> On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> > ===============
>
> > PICTURES:http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/ca...
>
> > Catholic Church in Tibet
> > June 7, 2010 by Robert Hutchinson
> > Filed under Catholicism, Writing & Blogging
>
> > an 11-year-old, Alexandra David-Neel�s classic Magic and Mystery in
> > Tibet (a book I still own and reread). As a child, I scooped up every
> > book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
> > Jr.�s Out of This World to Forbidden Tibet� Heinrich Harrer�s classic
> > book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
> > Seven Years in Tibet... Thubten Norbu�s Tibet is My Country... and
> > Lama Anagarika Govinda�s The Way of the White Clouds.
>
> > Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
> > Horizon�s fantasy obviously appeals to millions of westerners� that of
> > Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
> > a peaceful kingdom of meditating monks living in an isolated plateau
> > in the faraway mountains. But I�ve maintained my interest in Tibet for
> > more than 40 years� eventually discovering the works of Chogyam
> > Trungpa and other westernized lamas. The peaceful Tibetans struck me
> > as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
> > Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
> > as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
> > Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
> > traits � a central authority figure who serves for life (the pope,
> > Dalai Lama)� large monasteries and converts� different religious
> > �orders� (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal �sects� such
> > as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)� elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
> > vestments, incense and the like� a highly developed iconography�
> > different mystical traditions that date back millennia� a wide variety
> > of saints� and on and on. What�s more, both the Catholic Church and
> > Dalai Lama)� large monasteries and converts� different religious
> > �orders� (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal �sects� such
> > as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)� elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
> > vestments, incense and the like� a highly developed iconography�
> > different mystical traditions that date back millennia� a wide variety
> > the Tibetans have been persecuted by murderous secular regimes hell-
> > bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
>
> > My heart has always gone out to the Tibetans� and still does. (My kids
> > bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
>
> > mock my taste in music as �weird Tibetan music� because I listen to
> > the eerie, otherworldly music of such Tibetan artists as the beautiful
> > Yungchen Lhamo.)
>
> > I�ve also long been fascinated by the story of Fr. Ippolito Desideri,
> > Yungchen Lhamo.)
>
> > S.J., a Jesuit missionary who established a mission in Lhasa in
> > 1712-1727� mastered the Tibetan language� engaged in regular debates
> > with Tibetan philosophical masters (geshe)� and did his best to
> > describe and explain the strange mystical traditions of Tibetan
> > Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
> > professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
> > general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
> > to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
>
> > All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
> > Church in Tibet � which I have never known existed. Wonders never
> > Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
> > professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
> > general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
> > to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
>
> > All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
> > cease. The article is from the Communist-controlled Xinhua news
> > agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
> > of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
> > millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
> > mid-1950s and have continued to practice a form of �ethnic
> > agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
> > of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
> > millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
> > cleansing� (such as importing Han Chinese to run all of the central
> > organizations in Tibet) ever since. They have a vested interest in
> > portraying the Chinese-dominated �Tibetan Autonomous Region� as a
> > model of religious tolerance and forbearance� when, in fact, the
> > Chinese have done everything in their power to stamp out Tibetan
> > Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
> > Tibet, subject to rigid oversight� just not Tibetan Buddhist
> > Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
> > monasteries.
>
> > LHASA, May 31 (Xinhua) � Every daybreak on the southeast edge of the
> > Tibetan Plateau, Lucy walks into the only Catholic Church in Tibet,
> > dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
> > before praying.
>
> > Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
> > since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
> > her the Western name.
>
> > But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
> > prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
>
> > Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
> > presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
> > Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
>
> > The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
> > west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
> > as �Yerkalo�, and is adorned with gesang flowers in its court, where
> > dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
> > before praying.
>
> > Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
> > since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
> > her the Western name.
>
> > But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
> > prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
>
> > Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
> > presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
> > Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
>
> > The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
> > west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
> > white hada frame the religious artworks.
>
> > Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
> > structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
> > adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
>
> > Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
> > He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
> > and died in 1901.
>
> > After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
> > a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
> > when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
> > Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
> > local authorities, the Qamdo People�s Liberation Committee, to return
>
> > Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
> > structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
> > adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
>
> > Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
> > He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
> > and died in 1901.
>
> > After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
> > a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
> > when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
> > Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
> > it to them.
>
> > That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
> > and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
>
> > The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
> > Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
> > a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
> > which came from the government.
>
> > Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
> > population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
> > parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
> > monasteries.
>
> > �Many villagers bring their babies to be baptized, and the baptism is
>
> > That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
> > and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
>
> > The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
> > Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
> > a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
> > which came from the government.
>
> > Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
> > population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
> > parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
> > monasteries.
>
> > performed over eight consecutive days. The babies will receive
> > religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
> > their whole lives, and when they die, they will be buried,� he says.
> > religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
>
> > But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
> > says, the priest will instead go to the couple�s home and pray for
> > But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
> > them.
>
> > Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
> > Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
>
> > Maria says they are both pious and respect each other�s beliefs � �We
>
> > Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
> > Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
>
> > still share the same culture and lifestyle after all.�
>
> > When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
> > husband and the village folk to celebrate.
> > �After all these years of coexistence, couples who belong to different
> > When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
> > husband and the village folk to celebrate.
> > religions in the village can stick to their own faiths when they marry
> > and their children can choose their own religion once they grow up.�
>
> > At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
> > come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
>
> > �Religious conflicts between the Catholics and Buddhists are a thing
> > At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
> > come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
>
> > of the past,� says Father Laurent.
Mao , the HEAD of the CPC , Communist Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block
May 17, 2013, 10:20:44 AM5/17/13
to
yes
our PLA soldiers should blow up this fucking WHITE POWER
CHURCH
On May 17, 9:02 pm, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay
> "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay politician for a Progressive EastMalaysia" wrote in message
> > > an 11-year-old, Alexandra David-Neel’s classic Magic and Mystery in
> > > Seven Years in Tibet... Thubten Norbu’s Tibet is My Country... and
> > > Lama Anagarika Govinda’s The Way of the White Clouds.
> > > more than 40 years… eventually discovering the works of Chogyam
> > > mock my taste in music as “weird Tibetan music” because I listen to
> > > with Tibetan philosophical masters (geshe)… and did his best to
> > > cleansing” (such as importing Han Chinese to run all of the central
> > > model of religious tolerance and forbearance… when, in fact, the
> > > monasteries.
>
> > > LHASA, May 31 (Xinhua) — Every daybreak on the southeast edge of the
> > > still share the same culture and lifestyle after all.”
>
> ...
>
> read more »
our PLA soldiers should blow up this fucking WHITE POWER
CHURCH
On May 17, 9:02 pm, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL Malay
>
> news:a9684efb-e4a5-4ef7...@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com...
>
> this church symbolises WHITE POWER 's intrusion into Yellow
> Race 's territory
>
> On May 14, 10:29 am, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
> Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <verinvanv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
>
> > or shut this church down ,.
>
> > this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
>
> > On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> > > ===============
>
> > > PICTURES:http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/ca...
>
> > > Catholic Church in Tibet
> > > June 7, 2010 by Robert Hutchinson
> > > Filed under Catholicism, Writing & Blogging
>
> > > I’ve been fascinated by Tibet my entire life — ever since I read, as
> news:a9684efb-e4a5-4ef7...@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com...
>
> this church symbolises WHITE POWER 's intrusion into Yellow
> Race 's territory
>
> On May 14, 10:29 am, "Nurul Izzah Anwar , Dark Skin REAL
> Malay politician for a Progressive East Malaysia"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <verinvanv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chinese should blow this church into pieces ,
>
> > or shut this church down ,.
>
> > this church in Tibet is polluting the Tibetan culture
>
> > On May 14, 10:01 am, "Welfare Dept." <welfared...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Very interesting ?! ...........
>
> > > ===============
>
> > > PICTURES:http://roberthutchinson.com/robert-hutchinson/writing-and-blogging/ca...
>
> > > Catholic Church in Tibet
> > > June 7, 2010 by Robert Hutchinson
> > > Filed under Catholicism, Writing & Blogging
>
> > > an 11-year-old, Alexandra David-Neel’s classic Magic and Mystery in
> > > Tibet (a book I still own and reread). As a child, I scooped up every
> > > book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
> > > Jr.’s Out of This World to Forbidden Tibet… Heinrich Harrer’s classic
> > > book on Tibet I could find in my local public library: Lowell Thomas,
> > > Seven Years in Tibet... Thubten Norbu’s Tibet is My Country... and
> > > Lama Anagarika Govinda’s The Way of the White Clouds.
>
> > > Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
> > > Horizon’s fantasy obviously appeals to millions of westerners… that of
> > > Of course, I am hardly unique in this fascination. The whole Lost
> > > a peaceful kingdom of meditating monks living in an isolated plateau
> > > in the faraway mountains. But I’ve maintained my interest in Tibet for
> > > more than 40 years… eventually discovering the works of Chogyam
> > > Trungpa and other westernized lamas. The peaceful Tibetans struck me
> > > as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
> > > Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
> > > as very similar to people in my own Catholic background. Both the
> > > Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism share many similar external
> > > traits — a central authority figure who serves for life (the pope,
> > > Dalai Lama)… large monasteries and converts… different religious
> > > “orders” (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal “sects” such
> > > as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)… elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
> > > vestments, incense and the like… a highly developed iconography…
> > > different mystical traditions that date back millennia… a wide variety
> > > of saints… and on and on. What’s more, both the Catholic Church and
> > > Dalai Lama)… large monasteries and converts… different religious
> > > “orders” (in the case of the Tibetans, the four principal “sects” such
> > > as the Kagyu, Sakya, etc.)… elaborate liturgical ceremonies involving
> > > vestments, incense and the like… a highly developed iconography…
> > > different mystical traditions that date back millennia… a wide variety
> > > the Tibetans have been persecuted by murderous secular regimes hell-
> > > bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
>
> > > My heart has always gone out to the Tibetans… and still does. (My kids
> > > bent on destroying their culture and traditions.
>
> > > mock my taste in music as “weird Tibetan music” because I listen to
> > > the eerie, otherworldly music of such Tibetan artists as the beautiful
> > > Yungchen Lhamo.)
>
> > > I’ve also long been fascinated by the story of Fr. Ippolito Desideri,
> > > Yungchen Lhamo.)
>
> > > S.J., a Jesuit missionary who established a mission in Lhasa in
> > > 1712-1727… mastered the Tibetan language… engaged in regular debates
> > > with Tibetan philosophical masters (geshe)… and did his best to
> > > describe and explain the strange mystical traditions of Tibetan
> > > Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
> > > professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
> > > general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
> > > to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
>
> > > All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
> > > Church in Tibet — which I have never known existed. Wonders never
> > > Buddhism to the European Christian world. One of my Jesuit philosophy
> > > professors, in the 1970s, was coincidentally an expert in Tibetan in
> > > general and Fr. Desideri in particular: He went from classical Greek
> > > to Sanskrit (also an Indo-European language) to Tibetan.
>
> > > All of this is a prelude to a story I saw today about a Catholic
> > > cease. The article is from the Communist-controlled Xinhua news
> > > agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
> > > of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
> > > millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
> > > mid-1950s and have continued to practice a form of “ethnic
> > > agency, which, like all things controlled by the Communist oppressors
> > > of Tibet, cannot be completely trusted. The Communists have murdered
> > > millions of Tibetans in cold blood since invading their country in the
> > > cleansing” (such as importing Han Chinese to run all of the central
> > > organizations in Tibet) ever since. They have a vested interest in
> > > portraying the Chinese-dominated “Tibetan Autonomous Region” as a
> > > model of religious tolerance and forbearance… when, in fact, the
> > > Chinese have done everything in their power to stamp out Tibetan
> > > Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
> > > Tibet, subject to rigid oversight… just not Tibetan Buddhist
> > > Buddhism. The Chinese allow one tiny Catholic chapel to exist in
> > > monasteries.
>
> > > LHASA, May 31 (Xinhua) — Every daybreak on the southeast edge of the
> > > Tibetan Plateau, Lucy walks into the only Catholic Church in Tibet,
> > > dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
> > > before praying.
>
> > > Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
> > > since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
> > > her the Western name.
>
> > > But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
> > > prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
>
> > > Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
> > > presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
> > > Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
>
> > > The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
> > > west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
> > > as “Yerkalo”, and is adorned with gesang flowers in its court, where
> > > dips her fingers into the holy water and makes the sign of the cross
> > > before praying.
>
> > > Rain, hail or shine, the 62-year-old has attended masses and sermons
> > > since she was baptized as a child. The priest who baptized her gave
> > > her the Western name.
>
> > > But Lucy is at home among Tibetans, who swing prayer wheels and
> > > prostrate themselves in front of Buddhas.
>
> > > Unlike Catholics elsewhere, Lucy reads the Bible in Tibetan and
> > > presents hada, long pieces of silk used as greeting gifts among
> > > Tibetans, to the Virgin Mary.
>
> > > The church she visits every day is perched on a hill in the valley
> > > west of the Jinsha River. It is in the village of Yanjing, also known
> > > white hada frame the religious artworks.
>
> > > Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
> > > structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
> > > adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
>
> > > Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
> > > He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
> > > and died in 1901.
>
> > > After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
> > > a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
> > > when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
> > > Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
> > > local authorities, the Qamdo People’s Liberation Committee, to return
>
> > > Built by French missionary Felix Biet in 1865, the whitewashed
> > > structure has two crosses on its outer walls while its interior is
> > > adorned with Gothic arches and frescos on the ceiling.
>
> > > Father Felix was born in 1838 and ordained a priest in January 1864.
> > > He arrived in Tibet two months later. He was also ordained a bishop
> > > and died in 1901.
>
> > > After the church was built, clashes between its followers and those of
> > > a nearby lamasery were common. The clashes reached a peak in the 1940s
> > > when armed lamas took over the church. The church was not returned to
> > > Catholic hand until 1951 after many local Catholics had asked the
> > > it to them.
>
> > > That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
> > > and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
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> > > The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
> > > Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
> > > a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
> > > which came from the government.
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> > > Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
> > > population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
> > > parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
> > > monasteries.
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> > > “Many villagers bring their babies to be baptized, and the baptism is
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> > > That handover marked the end of clashes between the local Catholics
> > > and Tibetan Buddhists, according to the China Tibet News website.
>
> > > The church became an elementary and middle school during the Cultural
> > > Revolution (1966-1976). In the late 1980s, the church was renovated at
> > > a cost of 102,000 yuan (about 14,934 U.S. dollars), 95,000 yuan of
> > > which came from the government.
>
> > > Tibetan priest Father Laurent says the Upper Yanjing Village has a
> > > population of less than 1,000, and that the church, with more than 500
> > > parishioners, has enriched the local culture and coexists with Tibetan
> > > monasteries.
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> > > performed over eight consecutive days. The babies will receive
> > > religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
> > > their whole lives, and when they die, they will be buried,” he says.
> > > religious names like Paul and Anne. The names will be with them for
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> > > But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
> > > says, the priest will instead go to the couple’s home and pray for
> > > But wedding ceremonies do not take place in the church, Father Laurent
> > > them.
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> > > Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
> > > Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
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> > > Maria says they are both pious and respect each other’s beliefs – “We
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> > > Maria takes charge of cleaning and daily necessities. But her husband
> > > Zhaxi Wangdui is a fervent Tibetan Buddhist.
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> > > still share the same culture and lifestyle after all.”
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> > > When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
> > > husband and the village folk to celebrate.
> > > “After all these years of coexistence, couples who belong to different
> > > When the Tibetan New Year falls, normally in March, Maria joins her
> > > husband and the village folk to celebrate.
> > > religions in the village can stick to their own faiths when they marry
> > > and their children can choose their own religion once they grow up.”
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> > > At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
> > > come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
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> > > “Religious conflicts between the Catholics and Buddhists are
> > > At Christmas, Father Laurent says Catholics from neighboring provinces
> > > come while Buddhists from nearby lamaseries are invited over.
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