Re: Malaysia's court ruling: Allah is not exclusive to Islam
nur
As exclaimed by Moses (pbuh): “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the
Lord is one.” Deuteronomy 6:4.
“I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God.”
Isaiah 45:5.
“You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for
yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the
earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.”
Exodus 20:3-5
Christianity
Jesus Christ (pbuh) said the following in the Bible:
“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and
Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
John 17:3
“How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you
do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?”
John 5:44
“The most important commandments,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O
Israel, the Lord our God, is one Lord’”
Mark 12:29
As described by Paul in his Letter to Timothy:
“Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor
and glory forever and ever. Amen.”
1 Timothy 1:17
Hinduism
“Ekam evadvitiyam“
(He (God) is One only without a second.)
Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1
Meaning in English: “Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many
names.“
Rigveda 1:164:46
“Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata“
(O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him
alone.)
Rigveda 8:1:1
“Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan“
(There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in
the least bit.)
Brahma Sutra of Hinduism
Sikhism
“Ek Onkar, Sat Naam, Karta Purakh, Nirbhau Nirvair, Akal Murat, Ajuni,
Saibham, Gurprasad”
(There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free
from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and
Compassionate.)
Granth Sahib, Mulmantra Pg.1
Meaning in English: “There is only the One Supreme Lord God; there is
no other at all.”
Granth Sahib, Pg. 45
Meaning in English: “God is merciful and infinite. The One and Only is
all-pervading.”
Granth Sahib, Pg. 710
Clearly, the above verses from religious scriptures of Judaism,
Christianity, Hinduism and Sikhism, without a doubt, affirmed the
truth of the unity of God in the strongest of terms. It is very
important to also note that, like the relevant verses of the Qur’an,
many of the above verses are in the form of a statement that a father
would use to remind his child not to fall for something dangerous,
knowing fully well the child might just still fall for it! The child
for example, might later fall for drugs taking, assuring his father:
don’t worry dad, I only take it because it helps me, trust me!
So, with such amazing similarity on the concept of ‘Unity of God’
between all the above mentioned major world’s religions, what then
seems to be the difference between them? From a Muslim’s point of
view, the difference is in the ‘implementation’ of the concept in
one’s daily ‘religious life’ and in fact also ‘normal life’. It could
be that a certain scripture may state a certain principle ‘from the
sky’, but then falls short in defining the daily life (including
religious life) consequents of such principle. Worse still, things
become ‘neutralised’ when other parts of the same scripture state
principles in direct contradiction to the one ‘from the sky’.
Muslims also believe the Qur’an to be the only surviving verbatim
(word for word) Word of God, no more no less words. As such, there is
no vagueness or contradiction in it, especially with regard to
important matters of basic belief in God. In Islam, the concept of
‘Unity of God’ is very basic and central to the belief in God, to the
point, getting it even ‘very slightly wrong’ would render one’s
‘belief’ or ‘faith’ in God and religion, impotent, and in fact almost
completely meaningless. Understandably so, for what use is submission
and worship when it is directed to the wrong god? The great importance
of the doctrine of the Unity of God in Islam is well reflected in the
fact that in addition to being a constant reminder throughout the
Qur’an, a whole chapter of the Qur’an is dedicated to it – an
extremely brief (mere four short verses!) surah (chapter) number 112,
also known as Al-Ikhlas, meaning ‘Sincerity or Purity’:
Say: He is Allah, the One and only. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. He
begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
s.com> wrote:
> > >> >Even in Indonesia, where Allah is used sporadically in the translation
> > >> >of the Bible, its use is discrete and are not meant to mislead, unlike
> > >> >in Malaysia.
>
> ...
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> > At no time do the translations refer to Jesus as Allah.
>
> You are lying. That is not the current established Christian theology.
> To Christians, Jesus is GOD, as in the trinity.
> These translations are done by these christians who believe that Jesus
> is GOD.
>
> I welcome our cultish christians in Indonesia who consider Jesus as
> not God but not these catholics and protestants in Malaysia. They
> still believe in the trinity and consider Jesus as GOD.
>
>
>
> > Arab Muslims have no problem with Allah being in the Bible, perhaps
> > you should learn from their example?
>
> You are not translating the bible into Arab, but Malay, so respect the
> Malay language and terms.
>
> ...
>
> > >Any quran, that is to be translated to modern Arabic will never be
> > >respected.
>
> > Ah, so you could use it as toilet paper, could you?
>
> Translated quran, YES. This is something that you should learn and
> understand.
> Even quran that is translated into Moderm Arabic, can be used as
> Toilet paper, provided the original versus of the quran is not
> present.
>
>
>
> > >And you expect Muslims to respect the current Bibles in various
> > >translated forms and consider them as sacred?
>
> > I expect nothing - It is the expectation of Allah expressed in the
> > Koran.
>
> Despite your obvious ignorant, your arrogance still expects the same
> respect for the current translated bible.
>
> What do you think the "expectation of Allah expressed in the quran
> about the current bible"?
>
> With cautions, just as we respect any translation of the quran into
> Malay or modern Arabic, i.e. also with cautions.
> That is why it is paramount not to mislead readers in the use of the
> world Allah as a direct translation of God, which is false in Malay
> and Arabic.
>
> God in Malay is Tuhan.
> God in Arabic is Illah.
> Allah is a name of a God, which is only applicable to Muslims and old
> Arabs.
> Why on earth should Malaysian christians want to translate God into
> Allah??? When they are neither Arab or Muslim?
> Unless they want to mislead the Malays.
>
> This is what they did verbally in Indonesia leading so many christians
> there to reinterpret Christianity to consider Jesus just as a prophet,
> but they are not considered as the mainstream chrisitanity yet.
> Hopefully, these christians who believe that Jesus is not GOD, will
> become stronger, but I doubt it.
>
> ...
>
> > Take it up with Mohammud - he spoke of the Christians and Jews of this
> > time, and of the book of the time of his life. They are the same as
> > the current ones.
>
> Muhammad and quran spoke of different versions of Christianity.
> Muhammad certainly didn't respect the bible and christianity then, as
> Muslims are now.
> Many christians in Muhammad's time converted to Islam.
>
>
>
> > If it was good enough for Mohammud, who exactly are you to say that it
> > is preposterous?
>
> You don't even know who Muhamamd is to know if he approves of the old
> christianity, let alone the current ones.
> If you are not an arrogant bastard, who are you?
>
> ...
>
> > Others, not coincidentally, pretend to follow his message, but in
> > reality, twist it suit their own purposes.
>
> It could be, but you certainly cannot determine who follow Muhammad's
> teaching or not. You are not even a Muslim.
> So why are saying with certainty? Unless you are such an arrogant
> bastard.
>
> ...
>
> > Just ask Abraham.... Why you, of all people, think that you always
> > know more than everyone else is quite beyond me.
>
> Why not? When I am talking about myself, my religion, my place and my
> livelihood.
> I certainly know more about myself than everyone else on earth.
>
> With your case, you pretend to know more than myself about myself. How
> can you ever know?
>
> And yet, you still carry on, showing how arrogant you are.
>
>
>
> > >Alas, you and the christians in Malaysia, want to mislead Malays, into
> > >thinking that the trinity, i.e. Jesus, is compatible with the Malay's
> > >Allah, instead of just Tuhan.
>
> > Well, my empty headed friend, if you bothered to look at reality - the
> > issue is simply one of importing bibles from Indonesia.
>
> What reality? You should read the words that they used to put right in
> front of me at Putatan shopping streets:
> "Jesus is Tuhan Allah", or something like that.
> They have changed the wordings the last few days that I was there.
>
> The translated bibles in Indonesia don't use Allah as a translation of
> God. Most cases it uses the word "tuhan", so I presume it is more of a
> poor translation error. But this error is mitigated by the confusion
> of the Malay speaking christians there.
>
> ...
>
> > >In fact, Malays pray to "Tuhan", not to Allah.
>
> > I just discussed your comment with the local Malay Imam - besides
> > chuckling at your notion that Malays do not pray to Allah, the phrase
> > "load of old cock" was uttered.
>
> Depends on how you ask him. Why don't you read his prayers in Malay?
>
>
>
> > > Just read a few
> > >prayers written in Malay for you to find out.
>
> > Most Malays pray in arabic - perhaps if you visit a mosque you might
> > observe this.
>
> Only in mosques. Outside the mosques and official functions, we use
> both.
> Even during friday prayers, Malays words are also used.
>
>
>
> > >Allah is treated more like a name of a god, not the god entity itself.
>
> > >Even Arabs use the word Ila, for God, not allah, and all muslims must
> > >know how to distinguish between these two words, if not they are not
> > >muslims.
>
> > >Read the most important phrase in Islam: "La Ila ha ill allah"
>
> > And yet Arab Muslims are quite content for Bibles to contain the word
> > Allah.
>
> How can you be so sure?
> And it depends on what christianity. The coptic Arabs have a different
> version of christianity. They may not even accept trinity.
>
> ...
The Cynic
"nur" <arah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Muslims also believe the Qur�an to be the only surviving verbatim
(word for word) Word of God,
What is your evidence for this statement? Who is the witness?
... no more no less words.
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(rest flushed into toilet bowl)