Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
November 12, 2012 9:48 am
OKINAWA: Departing from the sea front hotel amidst a slight morning drizzle, His Holiness visited the Konpacto and Bodaiju (Bodhi tree park) at Okinawa Island in Japan. About 150 people came to the park for the event.
His Holiness planted a tree sapling at the park and wrote a message of peace to the younger generations of Okinawan people.
In the message His Holiness wrote, “No good result will come out from violence. Violence is not the correct way to solve your problems and pursue your needs. The realistic way to solve problems is through dialogue”.
His Holiness then visited the Himeyuri stupa and war museum. The Himeyuri stupa and war museum is dedicated to the hundreds of Japanese teachers and students who were posted at Okinawa Island as nurses during the second world war. More than 227 young girls died during that operation.
In the afternoon, His Holiness gave a public talk on ‘The strength to overcome difficulties’ at the Kenritsu Budo hall. The talk was organised by Dr Nagamunei and group. More than 5,000 people came to attend the talk.
Addressing the public, His Holiness said “a calm mind is very important for a peaceful and happy life. Physical and material comfort doesn’t necessarily guarantee 100% happiness”.
His Holiness also said that neuroscientists in America has found out through an experiment that after practising compassion, stress and blood pressures of people are reduced. So, a healthy mind is very crucial for a healthy body.
Speaking about the war-torn historical background of Okinawa island, His Holiness said, “Past is only a memory, an experience. We cannot change it. But the future depends on the present. And using the experience of the past, we have to build a peaceful and happier world”.
At the same time, His Holiness mentioned that the method to achieve happiness should be realistic.
“We have to look from various angles. One dimensional outlook is not enough. The method to attain peace should be realistic and holistic,” His Holiness said.
“Fear, anger, jealousy, hatred, distrust; these negative emotion comes from the basis of self-centric arrogance. We have to train our mind to develop more compassion. Once we develop a sense of well-being for others, we develop a calm mind,” His Holiness added.
His Holiness also stressed the need for secular moral ethics through a modern secular education.
“Secularism means respect to all religious traditions including non-believers. Secular ethics promotes common interests on the basis of mutual respect and mutual harmony”, His Holiness said.
A question and answer session was held after the talk.
Tomorrow His Holiness will give a group interview to Okinawa TV and Ryukyu Shimpo newspaper. He will then leave for Tokyo where he will give a public talk on balancing the body and mind and will meet political leaders from various political parties of Japan.
Discussion subject changed to "Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness" by lo yeeOn
Subject: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
>Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
>November 12, 2012 9:48 am
>OKINAWA: Departing from the sea front hotel amidst a slight morning
>drizzle, His Holiness visited the Konpacto and Bodaiju (Bodhi tree >park) at Okinawa Island in Japan. About 150 people came to the park for
>the event.
>His Holiness planted a tree sapling at the park and wrote a message of
>peace to the younger generations of Okinawan people.
>In the message His Holiness wrote, “No good result will come out from
>violence. Violence is not the correct way to solve your problems >and pursue your needs. The realistic way to solve problems is through
>dialogue”.
>His Holiness then visited the Himeyuri stupa and war museum. The
>Himeyuri stupa and war museum is dedicated to the hundreds of >Japanese teachers and students who were posted at Okinawa Island as
>nurses during the second world war. More than 227 young girls >died during that operation.
>In the afternoon, His Holiness gave a public talk on ‘The strength to
>overcome difficulties’ at the Kenritsu Budo hall. The talk was >organised by Dr Nagamunei and group. More than 5,000 people came to
>attend the talk.
>Addressing the public, His Holiness said “a calm mind is very
>important for a peaceful and happy life. Physical and material comfort >doesn’t necessarily guarantee 100% happiness”.
>His Holiness also said that neuroscientists in America has found out
>through an experiment that after practising compassion, stress and >blood pressures of people are reduced. So, a healthy mind is very
>crucial for a healthy body.
Da Lama should offer his advice, seriously, to his followers in those
monasteries where self-immolations have been repeatedly committed.
Note that seppuku, errrh, self-immolation, is a depraved form of
violence.
Da Lama should have offered his "compassion" recipe to those 15/16
year-olds and 18 year-olds who allegedly have committed seppuku, errrh, I
mean self-immolation, so that they could have had a way to reduce
whatever stress they had and hence their blood pressures. Had he done
that, those young lives would mostly be still living and breathing!
No, instead Da Lama did all he could to raise their stress by telling
the world that the Chinese government's policy of using the Chinese
language as the medium of teaching and learning was tantamount to
cultural genocide. Da Lama actively encouraged kids to become truant.
Instead of helping to establish guidelines and suicide-prevention
network, the kind of work Da Lama should be ready to offer as a form
of charity, especially when he charges western celebrities or exotic
faith seekers a lot of money for his advice, he has been sitting on
his fat ass and pointing a finger at the Chinese government, the party
he and his TGIE (Tibetan Government in Exile) have alternately begged
and screamed at to negotiate for a form of "genuine" autonomy for
Tibet under Chinese sovereignty.
By making virulent accusations at the party you purportedly want to
negotiate with, you make meaningful negotiation impossible. And so
you stall the negotiation and exacerbate the suffering of your
followers who have hung their hope on your leadership and dimplomacy.
And by obscuring how China's sovereignty over Tibet should interact
with your idea of a "genuine" autonomy, you have made your negotiating
position impossible to decipher and settlement impossible to reach.
Meanwhile, you go to Japan for 12 days, clearly with the intention to
coincide your presence in Japan with the Chinese leadership transfer
that has been taking place in Beijing. And you volunteered yourself
to talk about the islands hotly disputed between China and Japan.
How do you think the injection of yourself into the debate of those
islands help you further your TGIE representative's position vis-a-vis
the autonomy talk with China according to your "Middle Way"?
So as you watched the 15/16 year-olds among your followers commit
seppuku, errrh, self-immolation, for your own aggrandizement, you
did not tell them that you had no intention to negotiate with the
Chinese government to ease their pain, unless China would hand over
one sixth of its territory to you. But did those 15/16 year old
children know that one sixth of China's terroritory was your aim,
instead of their chance to grow up being well-educated and empowered
to have a better life for themselves and their loved ones? No, they
certainly did not know that. Da Lama, you deceived them. You are
responsible for these grisly ritual child-sacrifices for your own
glory and your western paymaster's hegemonic agenda.
You know why you have an audience in Japan. There is a rightist group
which consists of Japanese, like the late Yukio Mishima and his fellow
believers and followers, who believe in taking Japan back to its vile
militarist past. Mishima, although a great writer of stories, spent
years, and many hours daily to build up a state of great anger that
could sustain the physical agaony of seppuku.
As Mishima and his fellow extreme rightists committed their seppuku,
they shouted the return of Imperial Japan where the emperor would be
revered as god. Da Lama, what is the difference between the Japanese
extremists who committed seppuku while shouting for the return of an
Imperial Japan and those extremist followers of yours who committed
self-immolation to give the TGIE an iconic Tibet is burning message
while they shouted for your return to Tibet and live for another ten
thousand years?
I see none, they are both extremist acts calling for a return of the
equivalent of the Dark Ages for both peoples.
In fact, when you claim you want to negotiate with the Chinese
government for a "genuine" autonomy, you shouldn't be injecting
yourself among the Japanese rightists who want Japan to claim the
islands all Chinese, whether they live in Hong Kong, or Taiwan, or
Mainland China, think are historically theirs, the islands they call
Diaoyu Tai Islands. There are at least three things all Chinese have
in common: they think that Diaoyu Tai Islands are Chinese territory,
not Japanese; they all have very bad memories of Japan's occupation of
China's northeast and later its full-blown invasion of China 1937-1945;
and Tibet has always been a part of China. By hobnobbing with Japan's
rightists, you go contrary to your claim to want to negotiate a
"genuine" autonomy for Tibet under Chinese sovereignty.
By hobnobbing with the Japanese rightists, you will further lose your
credibility in a billion Chinese eyes. No matter what you say, you
will only strengthen the Chinese government's credibility at the same
time. So, you have a lot of explaining to do before your followers,
unless you think they are just idiots worthy of your contempt!
Da Lama, if you are compassionate, you would immediately start your
compassion practice in Tibet by broadcasting your suicide-prevention
guidelines and help network and implore adult monks to give daily
lessons on the vice of killing oneself. Give them your recipe for
reducing stress and blood pressure. Da Lama, you should start act
like a spiritual healer, instead of a self-serving agent for the West.
You should at once redeem yourself for the destruction of those young
lives by stopping further such acts.
China accused the Dalai Lama on Monday of allying with Japanese
right-wingers in an island dispute as a way of attacking China and
blamed him for glorifying a wave of self-immolations among
Tibetans. The comments came as another Tibetan set himself on fire to
protest Chinese rule, Tibetan exiles and a rights group said.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said the Dalai Lama's
comments in Japan on the island dispute showed his "reactionary
nature" and determination to split China apart under the guise of
religion.
"To achieve his separatist goal, he associated with the Japanese
right-wing forces. Chinese people despise him for what he did. We
are firmly opposed to any country's providing a stage for him," Hong
said.
Chinese media have said the Dalai Lama called the islands by their
Japanese name during a news conference in Yokohama last Monday but an
Associated Press review of a tape of the event showed he referred to
them only as "the islands."
On Monday in Okinawa, the Dalai Lama criticized Chinese media for
making up a claim that he sided with the Japanese.
Tensions have run high over the islands, known as Senkaku in Japanese
and Diaoyu in Chinese, since the Japanese government nationalized some
of them in September in a bid to prevent Tokyo's right-wing governor
from buying them. Violent anti-Japanese protests broke out in a number
of Chinese cities, and Beijing has sent ships to conduct near-constant
patrols near the uninhabited rocks.
Hong also attacked the Dalai Lama for reportedly accusing the Chinese
government of failing to investigate the root cause of despair and
hopelessness among Tibetans that many say have prompted people to take
their lives as a form of protest. China has long accused the Dalai
Lama and his supporters of inspiring such acts, despite his
condemnation of all forms of violence.
"Not only did the Dalai not condemn them, but he actually glorified
these acts, which are against the national law and religious
principles," Hong said.
The remarks came as a 24-year-old Tibetan man set himself on fire at a
prayer ceremony in Tongren county in western China's
...
Subject: Re: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
lo yeeOn wrote:
> Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists
> - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think
> self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has
> a credibility gap.
Subject: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
Seppuku, also known as hara-kiri, is a form of grisly ritual suicide
by disembowelment, practised by ancient Japanese Samurais and more
recently by extremist Japanese, such as Yukio Mishima and his
followers, who believe in the divinity of the Japanese empire.
In 1967, Mishima enlisted in the Ground Self Defense Force (GSDF)
and underwent basic training. A year later, he formed the Tatenokai
(Shield Society), a private army composed primarily of young
students who studied martial principles and physical discipline, and
swore to protect the Emperor. Mishima trained them himself. However,
under Mishima's ideology, the emperor was not necessarily the
reigning Emperor, but rather the abstract essence of Japan. In Eirei
no Koe (Voices of the Heroic Dead), Mishima actually denounces
Emperor Hirohito for renouncing his claim of divinity at the end of
World War II.
In 1970, famed author Yukio Mishima and one of his followers
committed public seppuku at the Japan Self-Defense Forces
headquarters after an unsuccessful attempt to incite the armed
forces to stage a coup d'etat.
Mishima committed seppuku in the office of General Kanetoshi
Mashita. His second, a 25-year-old named Masakatsu Morita, tried
three times to ritually behead Mishima but failed; his head was
finally severed by Hiroyasu Koga. Morita then attempted to commit
seppuku himself. Although his own cuts were too shallow to be fatal,
he gave the signal and he too was beheaded by Koga.
- wikipedia
article <2401128.rsoJvLfEtR@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
>November 12, 2012 9:48 am
>OKINAWA: Departing from the sea front hotel amidst a slight morning
>drizzle, His Holiness visited the Konpacto and Bodaiju (Bodhi tree >park) at Okinawa Island in Japan. About 150 people came to the park for
>the event.
>His Holiness planted a tree sapling at the park and wrote a message of
>peace to the younger generations of Okinawan people.
>In the message His Holiness wrote, “No good result will come out from
>violence. Violence is not the correct way to solve your problems >and pursue your needs. The realistic way to solve problems is through
>dialogue”.
>His Holiness then visited the Himeyuri stupa and war museum. The
>Himeyuri stupa and war museum is dedicated to the hundreds of >Japanese teachers and students who were posted at Okinawa Island as
>nurses during the second world war. More than 227 young girls >died during that operation.
>In the afternoon, His Holiness gave a public talk on ‘The strength to
>overcome difficulties’ at the Kenritsu Budo hall. The talk was >organised by Dr Nagamunei and group. More than 5,000 people came to
>attend the talk.
>Addressing the public, His Holiness said “a calm mind is very
>important for a peaceful and happy life. Physical and material comfort >doesn’t necessarily guarantee 100% happiness”.
>His Holiness also said that neuroscientists in America has found out
>through an experiment that after practising compassion, stress and >blood pressures of people are reduced. So, a healthy mind is very
>crucial for a healthy body.
Da Lama should offer his advice, seriously, to his followers in those
monasteries where self-immolations have been repeatedly committed.
Note that seppuku, errrh, self-immolation, is a depraved form of
violence.
Da Lama should have offered his "compassion" recipe to those 15/16
year-olds and 18 year-olds who allegedly have committed seppuku, errrh, I
mean self-immolation, so that they could have had a way to reduce
whatever stress they had and hence their blood pressures. Had he done
that, those young lives would mostly be still living and breathing!
No, instead Da Lama did all he could to raise their stress by telling
the world that the Chinese government's policy of using the Chinese
language as the medium of teaching and learning was tantamount to
cultural genocide. Da Lama actively encouraged kids to become truant.
Instead of helping to establish guidelines and suicide-prevention
network, the kind of work Da Lama should be ready to offer as a form
of charity, especially when he charges western celebrities or exotic
faith seekers a lot of money for his advice, he has been sitting on
his fat ass and pointing a finger at the Chinese government, the party
he and his TGIE (Tibetan Government in Exile) have alternately begged
and screamed at to negotiate for a form of "genuine" autonomy for
Tibet under Chinese sovereignty.
By making virulent accusations at the party you purportedly want to
negotiate with, you make meaningful negotiation impossible. And so
you stall the negotiation and exacerbate the suffering of your
followers who have hung their hope on your leadership and dimplomacy.
And by obscuring how China's sovereignty over Tibet should interact
with your idea of a "genuine" autonomy, you have made your negotiating
position impossible to decipher and settlement impossible to reach.
Meanwhile, you go to Japan for 12 days, clearly with the intention to
coincide your presence in Japan with the Chinese leadership transfer
that has been taking place in Beijing. And you volunteered yourself
to talk about the islands hotly disputed between China and Japan.
How do you think the injection of yourself into the debate of those
islands help you further your TGIE representative's position vis-a-vis
the autonomy talk with China according to your "Middle Way"?
So as you watched the 15/16 year-olds among your followers commit
seppuku, errrh, self-immolation, for your own aggrandizement, you
did not tell them that you had no intention to negotiate with the
Chinese government to ease their pain, unless China would hand over
one sixth of its territory to you. But did those 15/16 year old
children know that one sixth of China's terroritory was your aim,
instead of their chance to grow up being well-educated and empowered
to have a better life for themselves and their loved ones? No, they
certainly did not know that. Da Lama, you deceived them. You are
responsible for these grisly ritual child-sacrifices for your own
glory and your western paymaster's hegemonic agenda.
You know why you have an audience in Japan. There is a rightist group
which consists of Japanese, like the late Yukio Mishima and his fellow
believers and followers, who believe in taking Japan back to its vile
militarist past. Mishima, although a great writer of stories, spent
years, and many hours daily to build up a state of great anger that
could sustain the physical agaony of seppuku.
As Mishima and his fellow extreme rightists committed their seppuku,
they shouted the return of Imperial Japan where the emperor would be
revered as god. Da Lama, what is the difference between the Japanese
extremists who committed seppuku while shouting for the return of an
Imperial Japan and those extremist followers of yours who committed
self-immolation to give the TGIE an iconic Tibet is burning message
while they shouted for your return to Tibet and live for another ten
thousand years?
I see none, they are both extremist acts calling for a return of the
equivalent of the Dark Ages for both peoples.
In fact, when you claim you want to negotiate with the Chinese
government for a "genuine" autonomy, you shouldn't be injecting
yourself among the Japanese rightists who want Japan to claim the
islands all Chinese, whether they live in Hong Kong, or Taiwan, or
Mainland China, think are historically theirs, the islands they call
Diaoyu Tai Islands. There are at least three things all Chinese have
in common: they think that Diaoyu Tai Islands are Chinese territory,
not Japanese; they all have very bad memories of Japan's occupation of
China's northeast and later its full-blown invasion of China 1937-1945;
and Tibet has always been a part of China. By hobnobbing with Japan's
rightists, you go contrary to your claim to want to negotiate a
"genuine" autonomy for Tibet under Chinese sovereignty.
By hobnobbing with the Japanese rightists, you will further lose your
credibility in a billion Chinese eyes. No matter what you say, you
will only strengthen the Chinese government's credibility at the same
time. So, you have a lot of explaining to do before your followers,
unless you think they are just idiots worthy of your contempt!
Da Lama, if you are compassionate, you would immediately start your
compassion practice in Tibet by broadcasting your suicide-prevention
guidelines and help network and implore adult monks to give daily
lessons on the vice of killing oneself. Give them your recipe for
reducing stress and blood pressure. Da Lama, you should start act
like a spiritual healer, instead of a self-serving agent for the West.
You should at once redeem yourself for the destruction of those young
lives by stopping further such acts.
China accused the Dalai Lama on Monday of allying with Japanese
right-wingers in an island dispute as a way of attacking China and
blamed him for glorifying a wave of self-immolations among
Tibetans. The comments came as another Tibetan set himself on fire to
protest Chinese rule, Tibetan exiles and a rights group said.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said the Dalai Lama's
comments in Japan on the island dispute showed his "reactionary
nature" and determination to split China apart under the guise of
religion.
"To achieve his separatist goal, he associated with the Japanese
right-wing forces.
...
Discussion subject changed to "Hard-Yards Push-Push asks: How is CCP's creditability? Re: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness" by lo yeeOn
Subject: Hard-Yards Push-Push asks: How is CCP's creditability? Re: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
In article <3042255.pTWfGjmum1@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
>> Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists
>> - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think
>> self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has
>> a credibility gap.
>According to the CCP.
Ah, but you are wrong, dead wrong. First, the CCP never brought up
the seppuku ritual suicides to describe today's ritualistic suicides
committed by Da Lama's followers. It is my personal observation. I
see the similarities in the two, namely, 1) both are ritualistic and
extremely grisly and 2) both are for the restoration of an ancient
order that has long outlived its place in the respective society. Do
you see that, darling?
As for the statement: "Da Lama has a credibility gap", it is my own
assessment also. And since I am not CCP, ergo, you are dead wrong
about it being "[a]ccording to the CCP". Do you see that too,
sweetheart?
As for the CCP's creditability, as you asked: my answer would be like
many others: AAA+!
creditable: (of a performance, effort, or action) deserving public
acknowledgment and praise but not necessarily outstanding or
--- Oxford Online
First, we have
"Some foreigners with full bellies and nothing better to do engage
in finger-pointing at us: First, China does not export revolution;
second, it does not export famine and poverty; and third, it does
not mess around with you. So what else is there to say?"
- Xi Jinping (incoming Chinese President)
Second, China is lending the US and the EU (many of which countries
have been financing the NATO budget) billions and billions of USD to
fight their war of terror (which they call war on terror) around the
world, terrorizing Mother Earth and her children. Tell me if such a
lender is not creditable? (Tell me: Has a bank with a large cash
reserve which loans money out ever not creditable?)
Third, China has lifted hundreds of billions of Chinese out of poverty.
Fourth, China is only the third country in the world which has sent
men and women into space.
Fifth, China has the best musicians such as Lang Lang and Yuha Wang to
serve as role models for billions of young people around the world.
Sixth, China has made Tibet immediately accessible to people who want
to travel from Shanghai or Beijing to Lhasa, by plane or by rail.
Seventh, China has built such a powerful nation that the West is
instantly drooling with jealousy every time her people's Congress
meets, in the space of every five years.
Eighth, while Japan wants the US to strengthen their mutual defense
treaty in order to seize a few islands historically a part of China,
China is ready to fight alone, as it always has fought, to defend
itself.
Nineth, China never asks other nations to give it to her, whatever
"it" might be. She always tries to make "it" happen while Da Lama
always begs nations to destabilize China.
Tenth, China under the CCP has not bombed another country and never
exported violence, even as Da Lama and his cohorts have been inciting
violence inside Tibet at the expense of Da Lama's own people. And all
the while, the CCP has been working hard to subsidize the large number
of Tibetan monks and their monasteries in China to try to give them a
stable and sufficient environment to live in.
And many more ...!
So, what more do you want for the CCP's creditability?
Subject: Liu Xiaobo: "Freedom is not free" - an extremist in sheep's
clothing - Complete translation of NED grantee/Nobel "Peace" laureate
Liu Xiaobo's article praising the Iraq War and G W Bush Re: Liu Xiaobo
far more deserving of Nobel Prize than me: Obama
In article <2183874.9YqLQPX36f@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
lo yeeOn wrote:
So Liu Xiaobo has the freedom to "discuss freedom of expression in
China". Yet Bradley Manning can't "discuss freedom of expression in
America" for fear that it would prejudice the degree of harshness in
his certain conviction.
Liu Xiaobo has nothing to offer the Chinese people because he sold
his soul to foreign subversive organizations already. (See below)
Liu Xiaobo has no credibility because what he wrote about
Afghanistan could not be further from the truth. (See below)
Liu Xiaobo is an agent for western powers. Liu Xiaobo is only
repeating the propaganda of his paymasters. (See below)
lo yeeOn
...
>[...]
>> Liu Xiaobo will go down the history in disgrace if not forgotten!
>"We know that our world, our environment, our economy, our schools
>and corporations, and we humans are in deep trouble. We want to see a
>society and government that is based in compassion, not greed, one
>that is based not in hatred and militarism but in kindness and
>inclusion. We want to see a society that is not caught in blind
>ignorance but has a clear, un-biased and un-bought view of the state
>of the world and our responsibility to it and for it."
>-- Roshi Joan Halifax
Ms. Halifax was certainly not wrong. Unfortunately, we don't know the
context of her musing and the poster did not provide a citation for it.
Our environment is in trouble because of excess consumption and excess
production of goods for the purpose of consumption and money making.
Who started this? The West - the developed, the industrialized
nations, led by the United States and followed by Japan, GB, France,
Germany, and now China, India, Brazil, Vietnam, and others.
The West is not only primarily responsible for the modern phenomenon
of over-consumption and over-production of goods which has done
irreparable damage to the planet's environment. It has basically
forced the whole world to conform to its greed-based economic model,
through the WTO and the World Bank, organizations always headed by
appointees from Washington and the European Union.
But the West is still not happy with its over-reaching economic arm
over the entire planet. It wants to use military might to force all
countries in line with its agenda. So, the West has violently brought
down Libya's former government which was self-sufficient and wanted to
sell oil in currency denominated by the Libyan Dinar. Now, Libya is
dirt poor and is a failed state, swarmed by CIA, MI6 and agents from
other Western spy agencies. And it wants to bring down Syria now that
Libya is down; but not before having first shaken down that hapless
country for twenty million USD first to finance the mercenaries who
are now fighting in Syria. We of course spent 9 years devastating
Iraq. And we are not done in Afghanistan after more than a decade.
And we have already innundated Yeman and Pakistan with killer drones.
These wars - America's serial wars - have two remarkable impacts on the
planet, in addition to bringing utter misery to the people who are on
the receiving end of our bombs and missiles.
Number one: the enormous amount of explosives that were detonated in
the name of fighting America's enemies has introduced so much force
into the globe's atmospheric system that it has further worsened the
destruction on the globe's environment the world's economy of greed
has wrecked.
While industrial activities create green-house effect gases (CO2, etc)
that contribute to global warming (a steady secular event), the abrupt
and powerful detonations of mega-bombs and missiles add not only a lot
of energy into the atmospheric system, but also a lot of particles
which will help nucleate liquid drops in the right moments, e.g.,
during the formation of a storm, and finally the worst part, the
minute currents which are not vortex-free. Just as Newton's first law
of mechanics dictates that something which moves to begin with shall
continue to move, the tiny vortices a huge explosion produces will not
disappear, even as it seems to have disappeared locally. And at some
appropriate time later, they can meet up other vortices like a pack of
hungry wolves roaming the wild. They can gather force and become the
likes of Katrina, Rita, Sandy, and other killer storms, thanks to the
law of conservation of angular momentum. We human beings have
foolishly aggravated global warming with all the man-made forcing
functions that are increasingly more violent when they come.
Also as we detonate a bomb, the CO2 produces is in the first place an
excess addition to our atmospheric system that we know we'd be better
off without. But unfortunately, in order to pack that amount of
explosive power into the bomb in the first place, we have to do work
that will have required the generation of an equal amount of CO2 in
the process of making it. (I am here using the energy conservation
law in the estimation of the amount of CO2 required to make a bomb
with that amount of energy released when detonated.) So, the
greenhouse effect from the detonation of a bomb is typically twice as
bad.
In any case, the environment impact of exploding a bomb is very bad.
And if we keep doing it year after year and talking about decades of
war on terror, it is nothing but a war of terror on Mother Earth and
all of humanity.
Now the second is the economics. You know we have spent trillions on
the Iraq war (don't have to trust me, listen to the Nobel economist
Joseph Stiglitz) already. And that was mostly G W Bush's war. Now
Obama has greatly expanded the Afghan war both in terms of the
activities inside Afghanistan as well as the expansion of the war into
Pakistan. And the national debt has grown by many more trillions
since Obama took office for the first term. And he is going to have a
...
Discussion subject changed to "Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - recall Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness" by lo yeeOn
Subject: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - recall Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
Seppuku, also known as hara-kiri, is a form of grisly ritual suicide
by disembowelment, practised by ancient Japanese Samurais and more
recently by extremist Japanese, such as Yukio Mishima and his
followers, who believe in the divinity of the Japanese empire.
In 1967, Mishima enlisted in the Ground Self Defense Force (GSDF)
and underwent basic training. A year later, he formed the Tatenokai
(Shield Society), a private army composed primarily of young
students who studied martial principles and physical discipline, and
swore to protect the Emperor. Mishima trained them himself. However,
under Mishima's ideology, the emperor was not necessarily the
reigning Emperor, but rather the abstract essence of Japan. In Eirei
no Koe (Voices of the Heroic Dead), Mishima actually denounces
Emperor Hirohito for renouncing his claim of divinity at the end of
World War II.
In 1970, famed author Yukio Mishima and one of his followers
committed public seppuku at the Japan Self-Defense Forces
headquarters after an unsuccessful attempt to incite the armed
forces to stage a coup d'etat.
Mishima committed seppuku in the office of General Kanetoshi
Mashita. His second, a 25-year-old named Masakatsu Morita, tried
three times to ritually behead Mishima but failed; his head was
finally severed by Hiroyasu Koga. Morita then attempted to commit
seppuku himself. Although his own cuts were too shallow to be fatal,
he gave the signal and he too was beheaded by Koga.
- wikipedia
For further comments of mine, see below.
article <2401128.rsoJvLfEtR@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
>November 12, 2012 9:48 am
>OKINAWA: Departing from the sea front hotel amidst a slight morning
>drizzle, His Holiness visited the Konpacto and Bodaiju (Bodhi tree >park) at Okinawa Island in Japan. About 150 people came to the park for
>the event.
>His Holiness planted a tree sapling at the park and wrote a message of
>peace to the younger generations of Okinawan people.
>In the message His Holiness wrote, “No good result will come out from
>violence. Violence is not the correct way to solve your problems >and pursue your needs. The realistic way to solve problems is through
>dialogue”.
>His Holiness then visited the Himeyuri stupa and war museum. The
>Himeyuri stupa and war museum is dedicated to the hundreds of >Japanese teachers and students who were posted at Okinawa Island as
>nurses during the second world war. More than 227 young girls >died during that operation.
>In the afternoon, His Holiness gave a public talk on ‘The strength to
>overcome difficulties’ at the Kenritsu Budo hall. The talk was >organised by Dr Nagamunei and group. More than 5,000 people came to
>attend the talk.
>Addressing the public, His Holiness said “a calm mind is very
>important for a peaceful and happy life. Physical and material comfort >doesn’t necessarily guarantee 100% happiness”.
>His Holiness also said that neuroscientists in America has found out
>through an experiment that after practising compassion, stress and >blood pressures of people are reduced. So, a healthy mind is very
>crucial for a healthy body.
Da Lama should offer his advice, seriously, to his followers in those
monasteries where self-immolations have been repeatedly committed.
Note that seppuku, errrh, self-immolation, is a depraved form of
violence.
Da Lama should have offered his "compassion" recipe to those 15/16
year-olds and 18 year-olds who allegedly have committed seppuku, errrh, I
mean self-immolation, so that they could have had a way to reduce
whatever stress they had and hence their blood pressures. Had he done
that, those young lives would mostly be still living and breathing!
No, instead Da Lama did all he could to raise their stress by telling
the world that the Chinese government's policy of using the Chinese
language as the medium of teaching and learning was tantamount to
cultural genocide. Da Lama actively encouraged kids to become truant.
Instead of helping to establish guidelines and a suicide-prevention
network, the kind of work Da Lama should be ready to offer as a form
of charity, especially when he charges western celebrities or exotic
faith seekers a lot of money for his advice, he has been sitting on
his fat ass and pointing a finger at the Chinese government, the party
he and his TGIE (Tibetan Government in Exile) have alternately begged
and screamed at to negotiate for a form of "genuine" autonomy for
Tibet under Chinese sovereignty.
By making virulent accusations at the party you purportedly want to
negotiate with, you make meaningful negotiation impossible. And so
you stall the negotiation and exacerbate the suffering of your
followers who have hung their hope on your leadership and dimplomacy.
And by obscuring how China's sovereignty over Tibet should interact
with your idea of a "genuine" autonomy, you have made your negotiating
position impossible to decipher and settlement impossible to reach.
Meanwhile, you go to Japan for 12 days, clearly with the intention to
coincide your presence in Japan with the Chinese leadership transfer
that has been taking place in Beijing. And you volunteered yourself
to talk about the islands hotly disputed between China and Japan.
How do you think the injection of yourself into the debate of those
islands helps you further your TGIE representative's position
vis-a-vis the autonomy talk with China according to your "Middle Way"?
So as you watched the 15/16 year-olds among your followers commit
seppuku, errrh, self-immolation, for your own aggrandizement, you
did not tell them that you had no intention to negotiate with the
Chinese government to ease their pain, unless China would hand over
one sixth of its territory to you. But did those 15/16 year old
children know that one sixth of China's terroritory was your aim,
instead of their chance to grow up being well-educated and empowered
to have a better life for themselves and their loved ones? No, they
certainly did not know that. Da Lama, you deceived them. You are
responsible for these grisly ritual child-sacrifices for your own
glory and your western paymaster's hegemonic agenda.
You know why you have an audience in Japan. There is a rightist group
which consists of Japanese, like the late Yukio Mishima and his fellow
believers and followers, who believe in taking Japan back to its vile
militarist past. Mishima, although a great writer of stories, spent
years, and many hours daily to build up a state of great anger that
could sustain the physical agaony of seppuku.
As Mishima and his fellow extreme rightists committed their seppuku,
they shouted the return of Imperial Japan where the emperor would be
revered as god. Da Lama, what is the difference between the Japanese
extremists who committed seppuku while shouting for the return of an
Imperial Japan and those extremist followers of yours who committed
self-immolation to give the TGIE an iconic Tibet is burning message
while they shouted for your return to Tibet and live for another ten
thousand years?
I see none, they are both extremist acts calling for a return of the
equivalent of the Dark Ages for both peoples.
In fact, when you claim you want to negotiate with the Chinese
government for a "genuine" autonomy, you shouldn't be injecting
yourself among the Japanese rightists who want Japan to claim the
islands all Chinese, whether they live in Hong Kong, or Taiwan, or
Mainland China, think are historically theirs, the islands they call
Diaoyu Tai Islands. There are at least three things all Chinese have
in common: they think that Diaoyu Tai Islands are Chinese territory,
not Japanese; they all have very bad memories of Japan's occupation of
China's northeast and later its full-blown invasion of China 1937-1945;
and Tibet has always been a part of China. By hobnobbing with Japan's
rightists, you go contrary to your claim to want to negotiate a
"genuine" autonomy for Tibet under Chinese sovereignty.
By hobnobbing with the Japanese rightists, you will further lose your
credibility in a billion Chinese eyes. No matter what you say, you
will only strengthen the Chinese government's credibility at the same
time. So, you have a lot of explaining to do before your followers,
unless you think they are just idiots worthy of your contempt!
Da Lama, if you are compassionate, you would immediately start your
compassion practice in Tibet by broadcasting your suicide-prevention
guidelines and help network and implore adult monks to give daily
lessons on the vice of killing oneself. Give them your recipe for
reducing stress and blood pressure. Da Lama, you should start act
like a spiritual healer, instead of a self-serving agent for the West.
You should at once redeem yourself for the destruction of those young
lives by stopping further such acts.
China accused the Dalai Lama on Monday of allying with Japanese
right-wingers in an island dispute as a way of attacking China and
blamed him for glorifying a wave of self-immolations among
Tibetans. The comments came as another Tibetan set himself on fire to
protest Chinese rule, Tibetan exiles and a rights group said.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said the Dalai Lama's
comments in Japan on the island dispute showed his "reactionary
nature" and determination to split China apart under the guise of
religion.
Discussion subject changed to "Hard-Yards Push-Push asks: How is CCP's creditability? Re: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness" by lo yeeOn
Subject: Hard-Yards Push-Push asks: How is CCP's creditability? Re: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
In article <3042255.pTWfGjmum1@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
>> Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists
>> - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think
>> self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has
>> a credibility gap.
>According to the CCP.
Ah, but you are wrong, dead wrong. First, the CCP never brought up
the seppuku ritual suicides to describe today's ritualistic suicides
committed by Da Lama's followers. It is my personal observation. I
see the similarities in the two, namely, 1) both are ritualistic and
extremely grisly and 2) both are for the restoration of an ancient
order that has long outlived its place in the respective society. Do
you see that, darling?
As for the statement: "Da Lama has a credibility gap", it is my own
assessment also. And since I am not CCP, ergo, you are dead wrong
about it being "[a]ccording to the CCP". Do you see that too,
sweetheart?
As for the CCP's creditability, as you asked: my answer would be like
many others: AAA+!
creditable: (of a performance, effort, or action) deserving public
acknowledgment and praise but not necessarily outstanding or
--- Oxford Online
First, we have
"Some foreigners with full bellies and nothing better to do engage
in finger-pointing at us: First, China does not export revolution;
second, it does not export famine and poverty; and third, it does
not mess around with you. So what else is there to say?"
- Xi Jinping (incoming Chinese President)
Second, China is lending the US and the EU (many of which countries
have been financing the NATO budget) billions and billions of USD to
fight their war of terror (which they call war on terror) around the
world, terrorizing Mother Earth and her children. Tell me if such a
lender is not creditable? (Tell me: When is someone with a bank with
a large cash reserve which loans money out ever not creditable?)
Third, China has lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.
Fourth, China is only the third country in the world which has sent
men and women into space.
Fifth, China has the best musicians such as Lang Lang and Yuha Wang to
serve as role models for billions of young people around the world.
Sixth, China has made Tibet immediately accessible to people who want
to travel from Shanghai or Beijing to Lhasa, by plane or by rail.
Seventh, China has built such a powerful nation that the West is
instantly drooling with jealousy every time her people's Congress
meets, in the space of every five years.
Eighth, while Japan wants the US to strengthen their mutual defense
treaty in order to seize a few islands historically a part of China,
China is ready to fight alone, as it always has fought, to defend
itself.
Ninth, China never asks other nations to give it to her, whatever
"it" might be. She always tries to make "it" happen while Da Lama
always begs nations to destabilize China.
Tenth, China under the CCP has not bombed another country and never
exported violence, even as Da Lama and his cohorts have been inciting
violence inside Tibet at the expense of Da Lama's own people. And all
the while, the CCP has been working hard to subsidize the large number
of Tibetan monks and their monasteries in China to try to give them a
stable and sufficient environment to live in.
And many more points can be made ...!
So, what more do you want for the CCP's creditability?
Subject: Liu Xiaobo: "Freedom is not free" - an extremist in sheep's
clothing - Complete translation of NED grantee/Nobel "Peace" laureate
Liu Xiaobo's article praising the Iraq War and G W Bush Re: Liu Xiaobo
far more deserving of Nobel Prize than me: Obama
In article <2183874.9YqLQPX36f@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
lo yeeOn wrote:
So Liu Xiaobo has the freedom to "discuss freedom of expression in
China". Yet Bradley Manning can't "discuss freedom of expression in
America" for fear that it would prejudice the degree of harshness in
his certain conviction.
Liu Xiaobo has nothing to offer the Chinese people because he sold
his soul to foreign subversive organizations already. (See below)
Liu Xiaobo has no credibility because what he wrote about
Afghanistan could not be further from the truth. (See below)
Liu Xiaobo is an agent for western powers. Liu Xiaobo is only
repeating the propaganda of his paymasters. (See below)
lo yeeOn
...
>[...]
>> Liu Xiaobo will go down the history in disgrace if not forgotten!
>"We know that our world, our environment, our economy, our schools
>and corporations, and we humans are in deep trouble. We want to see a
>society and government that is based in compassion, not greed, one
>that is based not in hatred and militarism but in kindness and
>inclusion. We want to see a society that is not caught in blind
>ignorance but has a clear, un-biased and un-bought view of the state
>of the world and our responsibility to it and for it."
>-- Roshi Joan Halifax
Ms. Halifax was certainly not wrong. Unfortunately, we don't know the
context of her musing and the poster did not provide a citation for it.
Our environment is in trouble because of excess consumption and excess
production of goods for the purpose of consumption and money making.
Who started this? The West - the developed, the industrialized
nations, led by the United States and followed by Japan, GB, France,
Germany, and now China, India, Brazil, Vietnam, and others.
The West is not only primarily responsible for the modern phenomenon
of over-consumption and over-production of goods which has done
irreparable damage to the planet's environment. It has basically
forced the whole world to conform to its greed-based economic model,
through the WTO and the World Bank, organizations always headed by
appointees from Washington and the European Union.
But the West is still not happy with its over-reaching economic arm
over the entire planet. It wants to use military might to force all
countries in line with its agenda. So, the West has violently brought
down Libya's former government which was self-sufficient and wanted to
sell oil in currency denominated by the Libyan Dinar. Now, Libya is
dirt poor and is a failed state, swarmed by CIA, MI6 and agents from
other Western spy agencies. And it wants to bring down Syria now that
Libya is down; but not before having first shaken down that hapless
country for twenty million USD first to finance the mercenaries who
are now fighting in Syria. We of course spent 9 years devastating
Iraq. And we are not done in Afghanistan after more than a decade.
And we have already innundated Yeman and Pakistan with killer drones.
These wars - America's serial wars - have two remarkable impacts on the
planet, in addition to bringing utter misery to the people who are on
the receiving end of our bombs and missiles.
Number one: the enormous amount of explosives that were detonated in
the name of fighting America's enemies has introduced so much force
into the globe's atmospheric system that it has further worsened the
destruction on the globe's environment the world's economy of greed
has wrecked.
While industrial activities create green-house effect gases (CO2, etc)
that contribute to global warming (a steady secular event), the abrupt
and powerful detonations of mega-bombs and missiles add not only a lot
of energy into the atmospheric system, but also a lot of particles
which will help nucleate liquid drops in the right moments, e.g.,
during the formation of a storm, and finally the worst part, the
minute currents which are not vortex-free. Just as Newton's first law
of mechanics dictates that something which moves to begin with shall
continue to move, the tiny vortices a huge explosion produces will not
disappear, even as it seems to have disappeared locally. And at some
appropriate time later, they can meet up other vortices like a pack of
hungry wolves roaming the wild. They can gather force and become the
likes of Katrina, Rita, Sandy, and other killer storms, thanks to the
law of conservation of angular momentum. We human beings have
foolishly aggravated global warming with all the man-made forcing
functions that are increasingly more violent when they come.
Also as we detonate a bomb, the CO2 produces is in the first place an
excess addition to our atmospheric system that we know we'd be better
off without. But unfortunately, in order to pack that amount of
explosive power into the bomb in the first place, we have to do work
that will have required the generation of an equal amount of CO2 in
the process of making it. (I am here using the energy conservation
law in the estimation of the amount of CO2 required to make a bomb
with that amount of energy released when detonated.) So, the
greenhouse effect from the detonation of a bomb is typically twice as
bad.
In any case, the environment impact of exploding a bomb is very bad.
And if we keep doing it year after year and talking about decades of
war on terror, it is nothing but a war of terror on Mother Earth and
all of humanity.
Now the second is the economics. You know we have spent trillions on
the Iraq war (don't have to trust me, listen to the Nobel economist
Joseph Stiglitz) already. And that was mostly G W Bush's war. Now
Obama has greatly expanded the Afghan war both in terms of the
activities inside Afghanistan as well as the expansion of the war into
Pakistan. And the national debt has grown by many more trillions
since Obama took office for the first term.
...
Subject: Hard-Yards Push-Push asks: How is CCP's creditability? Re: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
In article <3042255.pTWfGjmum1@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
>> Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists
>> - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think
>> self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has
>> a credibility gap.
>According to the CCP.
Ah, but you are wrong, dead wrong. First, the CCP never brought up
the seppuku ritual suicides to describe today's ritualistic suicides
committed by Da Lama's followers. It is my personal observation. I
see the similarities in the two, namely, 1) both are ritualistic and
extremely grisly and 2) both are for the restoration of an ancient
order that has long outlived its place in the respective society. Do
you see that, darling?
As for the statement: "Da Lama has a credibility gap", it is my own
assessment also. And since I am not CCP, ergo, you are dead wrong
about it being "[a]ccording to the CCP". Do you see that too,
sweetheart?
As for the CCP's creditability,
you said:
>How is CCP's creditability?
And my answer would be like many others: AAAPlus!
creditable: (of a performance, effort, or action) deserving public
acknowledgment and praise but not necessarily outstanding or
--- Oxford Online
First, we have
"Some foreigners with full bellies and nothing better to do engage
in finger-pointing at us: First, China does not export revolution;
second, it does not export famine and poverty; and third, it does
not mess around with you. So what else is there to say?"
- Xi Jinping (incoming Chinese President)
Second, China is lending the US and the EU (many of which countries
have been financing the NATO budget) billions and billions of USD to
fight their war of terror (which they call war on terror) around the
world, terrorizing Mother Earth and her children. Tell me if such a
lender is not creditable? (Tell me: When is someone with a bank with
a large cash reserve which loans money out ever not creditable?)
Third, China has lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.
Fourth, China is only the third country in the world which has sent
men and women into space.
Fifth, China has the best musicians such as Lang Lang and Yuha Wang to
serve as role models for billions of young people around the world.
Sixth, China has made Tibet immediately accessible to people who want
to travel from Shanghai or Beijing to Lhasa, by plane or by rail.
Seventh, China has built such a powerful nation that the West is
instantly drooling with jealousy every time her people's Congress
meets, in the space of every five years.
Eighth, while Japan wants the US to strengthen their mutual defense
treaty in order to seize a few islands historically a part of China,
China is ready to fight alone, as it always has fought, to defend
itself.
Ninth, China never asks other nations to give it to her, whatever
"it" might be. She always tries to make "it" happen while Da Lama
always begs nations to destabilize China.
Tenth, China under the CCP has not bombed another country and never
exported violence, even as Da Lama and his cohorts have been inciting
violence inside Tibet at the expense of Da Lama's own people. And all
the while, the CCP has been working hard to subsidize the large number
of Tibetan monks and their monasteries in China to try to give them a
stable and sufficient environment to live in.
And many more points can be made ...!
So, I have provided you with a clear definition of the CCP's
"creditability".
what more do you want for the CCP's creditability?
If you Hard-Yards feel that it's so cool to sing "I miss Da Lama",
then expect more 15 or 16 year-olds to kill themselves and take
responsibility for their tragic deaths, even though I really don't
necessarily believe the stories. I have predicted the occurrences
were orchestrated and timed for political purposes. Since the stories
came out of Dharamsala, a source with a political agenda and very low
credibility historically, and since horror stories of this kind are
typically not corroborated or verified, it is easy for me to believe
that the deaths are made up for the statistics and for the consumption
of the likes of the VOA and RFA.
And if it is really true that 15 or 16 year-olds can work themselves
up so much desire to die so that Da Lama could return to China one day
and live for another thousand years (even just in their incredibly
ignorant minds), then many adults will have to assume responsibility
for their horribly tragic demise. There are indeed so many ways to
fix the blame before one can arrogantly point the finger at the CCP!
What kinds of rules do they have at these Tibetan monasteries where a
child monk at a tender age of 15 can be free to meditate over such a
ghastly act and no adult would do anything to stop it. Do Da Lama's
handlers expect us to accept that child monks are actively encouraged
to contemplate suicide? Or do these adult monks just plead ignorance
when a child has been found to have pursued a crazy course of action
(destroying a life in any religion is crazy especially when it is
actively pursued by a child against his own). How can these adult
monks stand aside when a child burns himself? What kind of animals
are these monks?
You can't convince a person who can think for himself that you have a
better target for the blame far far removed from the child.
These adult monks should know that their foremost responsibility is
the protection of the child, not to glorify somebody who the child has
never met in person and cannot possibly have established an emotional
bond, except through some kind of abstract channel established through
some kind of active brainwashing.
It is really incomprehensible how stupid Da Lama and his cohorts are
who would sacrifice these children for their own glory. It is sick!
As for you Hard-Yards, your push-push are responsible for hanging a
false hope before those ignorant monks in Tibet. You are responsible
for the deaths of those children, if they did die. Don't just hum "I
miss Da Lama" and think that there aren't consequences as far as your
corrupting the minds of minors are concerned.
---------------
Comparing the extremely grisly, ritualistic, self-immolation acts of
Tibetans calling for the return of Da Lama to live for ten thousand
years we've been hearing about lately with the equally grisly and
ritualistic sucides by disembowelment, or seppuku, that was practiced
with the aim of calling for the return to a by-gone era where the
Japanese emperor was worshipped and obeyed as an entity endowed with
divine power:
Subject: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with
Japan's extremists - recall Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their
seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant
extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is
only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
Seppuku, also known as hara-kiri, is a form of grisly ritual suicide
by disembowelment, practised by ancient Japanese Samurais and more
recently by extremist Japanese, such as Yukio Mishima and his
followers, who believe in the divinity of the Japanese empire.
In 1967, Mishima enlisted in the Ground Self Defense Force (GSDF)
and underwent basic training. A year later, he formed the Tatenokai
(Shield Society), a private army composed primarily of young
students who studied martial principles and physical discipline, and
swore to protect the Emperor. Mishima trained them himself. However,
under Mishima's ideology, the emperor was not necessarily the
reigning Emperor, but rather the abstract essence of Japan. In Eirei
no Koe (Voices of the Heroic Dead), Mishima actually denounces
Emperor Hirohito for renouncing his claim of divinity at the end of
World War II.
In 1970, famed author Yukio Mishima and one of his followers
committed public seppuku at the Japan Self-Defense Forces
headquarters after an unsuccessful attempt to incite the armed
forces to stage a coup d'etat.
Mishima committed seppuku in the office of General Kanetoshi
Mashita. His second, a 25-year-old named Masakatsu Morita, tried
three times to ritually behead Mishima but failed; his head was
finally severed by Hiroyasu Koga. Morita then attempted to commit
seppuku himself. Although his own cuts were too shallow to be fatal,
he gave the signal and he too was beheaded by Koga.
- wikipedia
For further comments of mine, see below.
article <2401128.rsoJvLfEtR@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
>November 12, 2012 9:48 am
>OKINAWA: Departing from the sea front hotel amidst a slight morning
>drizzle, His Holiness visited the Konpacto and Bodaiju (Bodhi tree >park) at Okinawa Island in Japan. About 150 people came to the park for
>the event.
>His Holiness planted a tree sapling at the park and wrote a message of
>peace to the younger generations of Okinawan people.
>In the message His Holiness wrote, “No good result will come out from
>violence. Violence is not the correct way to solve your problems >and pursue your needs. The realistic way to solve problems is through
>dialogue”.
>His Holiness then visited the Himeyuri stupa and war museum. The
>Himeyuri stupa and war museum is dedicated to the hundreds of >Japanese teachers and students who were posted at Okinawa Island as
>nurses during the second world war. More than 227 young girls >died during
Subject: Re: Hard-Yards Push-Push asks: How is CCP's creditability? Re: Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap Re: Dialogue is only realistic way to solve problems, says His Holiness
Discussion subject changed to "HardYards is still doing his push-push: How is CCP's "creditability"? Re: Da Lama wants dialogue with China while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - recall Mishima et al and their seppuku rituals and let's think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap!" by lo yeeOn
Subject: HardYards is still doing his push-push: How is CCP's "creditability"? Re: Da Lama wants dialogue with China while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists - recall Mishima et al and their seppuku rituals and let's think self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has a credibility gap!
In article <5569981.WgQA62Ev4j@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
>> Hard-Yards Push-Push asks: How is CCP's creditability?
>Well are you able to answer mister lo yeeOn?
Don't just delete my response and then ask for answers I've already
provided in that response. But since you ask, here I am, again!.
Here are some evidence that the CCP has plenty of credibility - and
then we'll go to your "creditability" as a corollary, ok?
1) we have
"Some foreigners with full bellies and nothing better to do engage
in finger-pointing at us: First, China does not export revolution;
second, it does not export famine and poverty; and third, it does
not mess around with you. So what else is there to say?"
- Xi Jinping (incoming Chinese President)
2) China is lending the US and the EU (many of which countries have
been financing the NATO budget) billions and billions of USD to fight
their war of terror (which they call war on terror) around the world,
terrorizing Mother Earth and her children. Tell me if such a lender
is not creditable? (Tell me: When is someone with a bank with a large
cash reserve which loans money out ever not creditable?)
3) China has lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.
4) China is only the third country in the world which has sent men and
women into space.
5) China has the best musicians such as Lang Lang and Yuha Wang to
serve as role models for billions of young people around the world.
6) China has made Tibet immediately accessible to people who want to
travel from Shanghai or Beijing to Lhasa, by plane or by rail.
7) China has built such a powerful nation that the West is instantly
drooling with jealousy every time her people's Congress meets, in the
space of every five years.
8) while Japan wants the US to strengthen their mutual defense treaty
in order to seize a few islands historically a part of China, China is
ready to fight alone, as it always has fought, to defend itself.
9) China never asks other nations to give it to her, whatever "it"
might be. She always tries to make "it" happen while Da Lama always
begs nations to destabilize China.
10) China under the CCP has not bombed another country and never
exported violence, even as Da Lama and his cohorts have been inciting
violence inside Tibet at the expense of Da Lama's own people. And all
the while, the CCP has been working hard to subsidize the large number
of Tibetan monks and their monasteries in China to try to give them a
stable and sufficient environment to live in.
And many more points can be made ...!
You can not lie and fib to have these things done; so, the CCP has
plenty of credibility.
Therefore, although people don't talk about "creditability" as you
idiotically have done, it is obvious that the CCP'scredibility also
translates well into their "creditability". There is your answer.
To the contrary, Da Lama and the TGIE say one thing and do another.
They say: we want to talk to the CCP about our idea of a "genuine"
autonomy for Tibet while accepting China's sovereignty over us.
Yet, they immediately turn around and say:
"China is effectively occupying Tibet because there are X,Y,Z,W,V,
regions in China where Tibetans live, which are not designated
Tibetan autonomous regions. So they are violating their
Constitution. We're just asking them to follow the their
Constitution..."
(In other words, they are asking the CCP to enlarge TAR to include
X,Y,Z,W,V and give them all to Da Lama and his TGIE in order to
satisfy their criterion for "genuine" autonomy or self rule.)
And as Da Lama and cohorts' alleged self-immolation incidents were
being reported, they always say that the self-immolators shouted for
the return of Da Lama and for Tibet's independence.
So it is clear that Da Lama and "his people" do not have the same idea
of they really want from the CCP!
Do they want independence?
Or do they want Da Lama's Middle Way for Tibetan autonomy?
In the end, Da Lama may not at all represent the Tibetan people at
all.
When the children who died a grisly death that Da Lama and his TGIE
cohorts glorified wanted a different vision for Tibet, then it is
clearly a waste of time for the CCP, i.e., the Chinese government, to
negotiate with them - the people who chant a different tune, the tune
of "My way is the middle way".
No way! That is really the story.
And if the Tibetans in China who listen to Da Lama have no "voice", it
is because Da Lama and his TGIE cohorts are putting a restraint on
them. They want them to sacrifice their lives but they do not make
any serious effort to negotiate. They do not bring good faith to the
negotiation table where good faith is the first requirement of any
successful negotiation.
And of course, the CCP has known that Da Lama does not represent the
Chinese Tibetans in the first place.
Why? Because Da Lama and his cohorts have never specified how the two
fundamental tenets of Da Lama's Middle Way "autonomy" should interact!
Tenet number 1: China has sovereignty over Tibet (which Da Lama
claims to accept)
Tenet number 2: Da Lama's "Middle Way" or "genuine" autonomy
So, if you have children committing seppuku, errrh, self-immolation
while a large crowd of adult monks stand watching and do nothing, then
every time Da Lama or his cohorts aren't happy about something, they
can incite a bunch more of grisly horrors from your ignorant children
in order to terrify the society. Now under such a prospect, does
China have the right to shut down your monastery and arrest those who
are aiding and abetting the grisly ritual suicide, in order to keep
peace and security in the community, or not? Or, it would be entirely
under your control so as to keep aiding and abetting the sacrifice of
children in order to satisfy Da Lama's and cohorts' depraved desire?
In other words, where does your autonomy begins and ends while being
subject to China's sovereign rule?
Da Lama and his TGIE cohorts never specified.
They are clearly intentionally vague about their position so that they
can always use an excuse to stir up trouble and create social tension
with the aim to destabilize China.
In the end, Da Lama and his TGIE cohorts serve their western clients
at the expense of China. So you, Hard-Yards think that the CCP can't
see such a possibility and therefore nib the trouble in the bud right
there when it is still doable?
The CCP has a lot of credibility. Other nations have seen that they
can do business with them. Even Taiwan can trust them. And that's
why no country recognizes the TGIE. The only reason why Da Lama is
bandied around in western press is because a certain country and its
formidable group of allies want to use Da Lama to press down China.
It is a geopolitical decision of the West toward China. But they
still do business with the CCP because CCP has impeccable credibility.
So what more do you want for credibility or "creditability" from the
CCP?
Again, If you meant to ask me about the CCP's credibility, you know of
course it has plenty.
How do we know? We know because China does not say one thing and then
does another when it does business with others, unlike Da Lama who has
a huge credibility gap by saying one thing and then immediately doing
something else - that was my original claim.
And from our discussion above, the contrast between the CCP's firm and
universal reputation of possessing it and Da Lama's equally clear lack
of it cannot be more sharply illustrated.
In article <3042255.pTWfGjmum1@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
>> Da Lama wants dialog (with China) while hobnobbing with Japan's extremists
>> - remember Yukio Mishima and his ilk and their seppuku rituals - think
>> self-immolations for Da Lama's ignorant extremist followers - Da Lama has
>> a credibility gap.
>According to the CCP.
Ah, but you are wrong, dead wrong. First, the CCP never brought up
the seppuku ritual suicides to describe today's ritualistic suicides
committed by Da Lama's followers. It is my personal observation. I
see the similarities in the two, namely, 1) both are ritualistic and
extremely grisly and 2) both are for the restoration of an ancient
order that has long outlived its place in the respective society. Do
you see that, darling?
As for the statement: "Da Lama has a credibility gap", it is my own
assessment also. And since I am not CCP, ergo, you are dead wrong
about it being "[a]ccording to the CCP". Do you see that too,
sweetheart?
As for the CCP's creditability, as you asked: my answer would be like
many others: AAA+!
creditable: (of a performance, effort, or action) deserving public
acknowledgment and praise but not necessarily outstanding or
--- Oxford Online
First, we have
"Some foreigners with full bellies and nothing better to do engage
in finger-pointing at us: First, China does not export revolution;
second, it does not export famine and poverty; and third, it does
not mess around with you. So what else is there to say?"
- Xi Jinping (incoming Chinese President)
Second, China is lending the US and the EU (many of which countries
have been financing the NATO budget) billions and billions of USD to
fight their war of terror (which they call war on terror) around the
world, terrorizing Mother Earth and her children. Tell me if such a
lender is not creditable? (Tell me: When is someone with a bank with
a large cash reserve which loans money out ever not creditable?)
Third, China has lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.
...
lo yeeOn wrote:
> Don't just delete my response and then ask for answers I've already
> provided in that response. But since you ask, here I am, again!.
[...]
Sorry i still did not read any answers dear friend.
Is is possible that you are a paid commenter here, paid by the Chinese government?
Do you live in China dear friend?
Sorry again but i do not see any use of this discussion and i do not get paid, I can read your information in the China daily which is the mouthpiece of the CCP or the propaganda organ of the state.
How much Credibility has the CCP inside China?
How much Credibility has the CCP outside China?
According to my information this is in both cases very, very little and i know quite some Chinese people.
Sorry dear friend, maybe it is better to ignore you, wish everything will go well with you.
