Indian PM Looked so stupid
AnakaNi AppaRao
Hindi, but he looked so stupid talking in Hindi in front of all other
world leaders. Why can't he speak in English sending a signal to the
world leaders that he is a great orator. After all he is a leader of
many folks who don't give a damn for hindi. after all half of the
Indian population don't care for Hindi.
AppaRao
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NufDudeadivi
India is. You may be right that many don't give a Damn, about Hindi, but
they should. Even thought Constitution of India recognize 18 Indian
languages, still Hindi the official language and English is only next to
it. So when a leader of the country address world leaders, then YES he
should use the official language and not the borrowed language. India is
a country, which has about more than 8000 years of civilization. It
should be shown to the world. Not use the borrowed language, which is
hardly less than 2000 year in existence. Using a native language exposes
the culture of the place. Why do you think that Chinese and Japanese
don't WANT to use English? Just because they want to protect their
culture.
RK
In article <8pt9jt$oih$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Vinay
make a person elite or polished. English is indeed a language which is
understood all over the world but that doesn't mean that u should be a slave
to it. Indians living abroad feel more nationalistic than in India and I
can't justify you condemning vajpayee speaking in Hindi. Iam not a language
fanatic nor is vajpayee.Look at Muslims how united they are in India. Iam
sure none of them have anything against Urdu and they never behave like us.
Even a tamilian or kerala muslim changes his stance when it comes to
supporting a language, say urdu. Indians like Ankani and co have to be told
that its not worthwhile trying to fight over languages. I accept there are
many Hindi fanatics cum lunatics who would go to any extent in promoting
their language.I care a damn about them and also any telugu/hindi bigots ,
if
any.Our PM is mature enough to know whatever he is doing is right or not.
Though iam a telugu , I dont mind speaking in any language as long as I feel
that whatever I utter is done with a clean state of mind.Anyway tell me who
has the time to harp about languages that too in the US.
jai hind
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Vinay
make a person elite or polished. English is indeed a language which is
understood all over the world but that doesn't mean that u should be a slave
to it. Indians living abroad feel more nationalistic than in India and I
can't justify you condemning vajpayee speaking in Hindi. Iam not a language
fanatic nor is vajpayee.Look at Muslims how united they are in India. Iam
sure none of them have anything against Urdu and they never behave like us.
Even a tamilian or kerala muslim changes his stance when it comes to
supporting a language, say urdu. Indians like Ankani and co have to be told
that its not worthwhile trying to fight over languages. I accept there are
many Hindi fanatics cum lunatics who would go to any extent in promoting
any.Our PM is mature enough to know whatever he is doing is right or not.
Though iam a telugu , I dont mind speaking in any language as long as I feel
TIME TO DEABTE ABOUT LANGUAGES.
rss
vajpayee has said, and lots of language philosophers have said also,
that the right of a person to speak the language that he is most comfortable
with should not be taken from him for whatever reasons.
he is sending the right message to the world, that he is not ashamed of his
mother tongue. perhaps u wd try to hide the fact that u speak telugu better.
or bring up ur children to speak american english only. u are the one making
a commercially viable choice
and vajpayee is reasserting: janani janmabhoomischa...
and it has nothing to do with other people caring for hindi.
also, there are more people who care for hindi than there are
for English, which is an "engili speech" in our motherland -
rss
even in hyderabad, more and more muslims are moving toward telugu
as the language of choice in the market place - back in the 80s urdu used
to be popular. only in the north they prefer urdu which is ok.
the flaw in appa's argument is that by asserting his preference for hindi
vajpayee is not representing nonhindi speakers of india. so that way,
by speaking in english he will be alienating 97 percent indians.
even the 3 percent speak english badly, as we all do (and know :-)
don't confuse hindi and hindu...
Vinay <khi...@chequemail.com> wrote in message
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rss
however, yes, a big country like india shd be represented by one
of its languages, and if devegowda were speaking, i wd say he shd
use kannada, the language he is most comfortable with.
sonia could use italian (her english is poor and hindi is attrocious)
no problem, as long as she can convey the indian view point...
NufDudeadivi <ad...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Well, he can show and pose all he wants but that won't represent what
> India is. You may be right that many don't give a Damn, about Hindi, but
> they should. Even thought Constitution of India recognize 18 Indian
> languages, still Hindi the official language and English is only next to
> it. So when a leader of the country address world leaders, then YES he
> should use the official language and not the borrowed language. India is
> a country, which has about more than 8000 years of civilization. It
> should be shown to the world. Not use the borrowed language, which is
> hardly less than 2000 year in existence. Using a native language exposes
> the culture of the place. Why do you think that Chinese and Japanese
> don't WANT to use English? Just because they want to protect their
> culture.
> RK
>
>
> In article <8pt9jt$oih$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> AnakaNi AppaRao <anakani...@my-deja.com> wrote:
AnakaNi AppaRao
Ayya what I want to tell the crowd is that he is been bullied by Mullah
Yadav and Lallu Yadav crowd to speak into this Hindi (have you
forgotten that Mullah Yadav threatened to boycott Clinton address if
Vajpayee doesn't speak in Hindi?). Apart from Philosophy you are taking
there is certain civility which dictates both host and guest make every
effort to make each other feel comfortable one such thing is that
speaking in a tone and language which other person is comfortable.
Remember Athalji is in US on a historical purpose he is in US to
impress the whole world not some crowd of Hindi speaking Bhajantris.
His job is essentially to promote India's interests in the world not to
show how patriotic he is (there is no doubt about his patriotism). Can
you tell the whole world in what way he is different from those country
heads who can not speak any other language than their mother tongue?
Indian leaders always passed on the opportunities given to them in
their utter stupidity (Indira gandhi-Nixon, Morarji-Carter and now
Athalji). I am not calling Athalji a stupid but my heart burn is that
an able man like Athal passed on a very good opportunity in which he
can excel to great historic heights. In this context even Bill Clinton
uttered few Telugu words in his Hyderabad speach. Can you imagine Atahl
Saying to Jessie Ventura " Jessie ji Aap Mahan Hai, Humara des mein sub
log tumne pyar kartha hai" Jessie Ventura or any other leader have no
clue what he is talking.
Bottom line is that India has great future/potential to be a great
country DON'T I repeat DONT pass on the opportunity for the silly,
stupid, and rideculous local priorities. Let our leaders know what our
feelings are.
Athal is an important world leader (from the reception he received
compared to that neighboring guy Mushraf), he did not cash the moment
of importance.
AppaRao
PS: I happened to stay in the same Hotel as Athal's entourage stayed
and was in the meeting hosted by Indian Ambassador. This crowd looked
so funny I am surprised are these people are accompanaying Great Leader
Athal who is known for his simplicity, honesty and integrity.
In article <8q3skp$oh9$1...@violet.singnet.com.sg>,
rss
> you tell the whole world in what way he is different from those country
> heads who can not speak any other language than their mother tongue?
from
other leaders: well, they are not leaders of india, the mother of culture
and cradle of civilization. my point is: whether rich or poor, India is a
BIG country, and our PM is vastly more important than clintons and majors
- upto him to decide what to speak. let the world go to hell.
ok, why shd he impress anyone in the world? the expats, speciall s/w
folks are sought after everywhere and they are proving to the world
that we got great guys in india. just being the leader of such a mighty
manpower behemoth gives him the strength and gives other people
the reason to understand whichever language he decides to use.
> log tumne pyar kartha hai" Jessie Ventura or any other leader have no
> clue what he is talking.
now they have no clue but in time, when the full potential of the indian
diaspora is realized, then everyone will wake up and get clued in...
> Bottom line is that India has great future/potential to be a great
it was great, and it is aready great: not a future prospect. even at
45 rupees to a dollar, India is stronger better than us any day...
> Athal is an important world leader (from the reception he received
> compared to that neighboring guy Mushraf), he did not cash ...
ridiculous to even compare the military dictator of a banana republic
(oh, not even republic) with the darling leader of bharat. are u mad?
Atalji is an important leader not because he got good reception in
the US but because he is the PM of India, the only country in the world
that never screwed other countries. Even piddly thailand occupied
part of burma and combodia! again, it doesn't matter what or how
he speaks - the deeds of millions indian expats speak for India. nobody
dare monkey around with us.
> so funny I am surprised are these people are accompanaying Great Leader
> Athal who is known for his simplicity, honesty and integrity.
yes, on that count, sadly - the bunch of associates he has are dismal,
in government and in the party: the post-vajpayee prospects don't
look great. Nevertheless, as i repeatedly repeated above, even if
sonia becomes prime minister, the time has come for india to take
centerstage anyway, so even she cannot stop or stunt india's progress
towards becoming a great power.
sisir
"rss" <san...@ssipt.com> wrote:
> > show how patriotic he is (there is no doubt about his patriotism).
Can
> > you tell the whole world in what way he is different from those
country
> > heads who can not speak any other language than their mother
tongue?
> it is not a show of patriotism: just asserting his choice. how
different
> from
> other leaders: well, they are not leaders of india, the mother of
culture
> and cradle of civilization.
Sure it is.
my point is: whether rich or poor, India is a
> BIG country, and our PM is vastly more important than clintons and
majors
to who? Indians or Americans and British?
> - upto him to decide what to speak. let the world go to hell.
>
> ok, why shd he impress anyone in the world?
what was he doing in the US then?
the expats, speciall s/w
> folks are sought after everywhere and they are proving to the world
> that we got great guys in india. just being the leader of such a
mighty
> manpower behemoth gives him the strength and gives other people
> the reason to understand whichever language he decides to use.
>
Now I see, he came to the US so the Americans get an opportunity to ask
him for more S/W people.
> > log tumne pyar kartha hai" Jessie Ventura or any other leader have
no
> > clue what he is talking.
> now they have no clue but in time, when the full potential of the
indian
> diaspora is realized, then everyone will wake up and get clued in...
>
> > Bottom line is that India has great future/potential to be a great
> it was great, and it is aready great: not a future prospect. even at
> 45 rupees to a dollar, India is stronger better than us any day...
>
Please tell us, why are all the S/W people lining up to come to the US
then.
> > Athal is an important world leader (from the reception he received
> > compared to that neighboring guy Mushraf), he did not cash ...
> ridiculous to even compare the military dictator of a banana republic
> (oh, not even republic) with the darling leader of bharat. are u mad?
> Atalji is an important leader not because he got good reception in
> the US but because he is the PM of India, the only country in the
world
> that never screwed other countries. Even piddly thailand occupied
> part of burma and combodia! again, it doesn't matter what or how
> he speaks - the deeds of millions indian expats speak for India.
nobody
> dare monkey around with us.
And yet, there has been 'monkey' business going on in J&K for the past
so many years.
>
> > so funny I am surprised are these people are accompanaying Great
Leader
> > Athal who is known for his simplicity, honesty and integrity.
> yes, on that count, sadly - the bunch of associates he has are dismal,
> in government and in the party: the post-vajpayee prospects don't
> look great. Nevertheless, as i repeatedly repeated above, even if
> sonia becomes prime minister, the time has come for india to take
> centerstage anyway, so even she cannot stop or stunt india's progress
> towards becoming a great power.
>
>
--
sisir c.
dr jekyll
> to who? Indians or Americans and British?
to the whole world, although u don't realize it, like many people:
he leads a billion people with their consent [unlike chinese bosses]
and in the emerging economy the hands and heads are going to
count more than material resources which we may be lacking...
> what was he doing in the US then?
what i meant was he need not go out of his way to impress,
like speak in polished english, put on makeup. well, what he
did there u know better i guess [aren't u in the us?]
> Please tell us, why are all the S/W people lining up to come to the US
> then.
for a few dollars more... no harm. In the long run, the population
distribution
pattern that is currently seen will have to change and we need to re-org the
entire globe such that densitiy of pop. is the same more or less. it is
called
a demographic adjustment... don't tell me u never thought of that!
> And yet, there has been 'monkey' business going on in J&K for the past
> so many years.
well when the monkeys were at the helm in india, so many years, but the real
cats took over only 2 yrs ago right? and then when pakis tried it at kargil
u
know we answered them well, even considering that initially there was some
bungling. the next time - it will be hot pursuit, they say. just wait and
watch.
the mohajirs and all non-punjabis are clamoring for 'freedom' [altaf hussain
said partition is the greatest blunder in history] perhaps India could even
split pak once more, and hence weeken it: don't forget that without india's
support, bangadesh wd not have come into being, and without that split
we wd be having much more headache. we are not doing too badly visavis
pak.
sisir
"dr jekyll" <drj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > to who? Indians or Americans and British?
> to the whole world, although u don't realize it, like many people:
so what am I missing?
> he leads a billion people with their consent [unlike chinese bosses]
> and in the emerging economy the hands and heads are going to
> count more than material resources which we may be lacking...
>
> > what was he doing in the US then?
> what i meant was he need not go out of his way to impress,
> like speak in polished english, put on makeup. well, what he
> did there u know better i guess [aren't u in the us?]
not really. The PM's visit was not given much news coverage in the US.
>
> > Please tell us, why are all the S/W people lining up to come to the
US
> > then.
> for a few dollars more... no harm. In the long run, the population
> distribution
> pattern that is currently seen will have to change and we need to
re-org the
> entire globe such that densitiy of pop. is the same more or less. it
is
> called
> a demographic adjustment... don't tell me u never thought of that!
The poster rss claimed that India is stronger and better than US
already! From my perception of 'stronger' and 'better', I disagree. How
stronger? How Better?
In spite of all the chest beating about India being an IT super power
etc.. India has long ways to go before comparing itself economically to
any developed nation, leave alone US. Being 'the mother of culture and
cradle of civilizationan' is not going to get us there.
>
> > And yet, there has been 'monkey' business going on in J&K for the
past
> > so many years.
> well when the monkeys were at the helm in india, so many years, but
the real
> cats took over only 2 yrs ago right? and then when pakis tried it at
kargil
> u
> know we answered them well, even considering that initially there was
some
> bungling. the next time - it will be hot pursuit, they say. just wait
and
> watch.
>
> the mohajirs and all non-punjabis are clamoring for 'freedom' [altaf
hussain
> said partition is the greatest blunder in history] perhaps India could
even
> split pak once more, and hence weeken it: don't forget that without
india's
> support, bangadesh wd not have come into being, and without that split
> we wd be having much more headache. we are not doing too badly visavis
> pak.
>
Why did the hundred or so pilgrims have to die?
Why did the airline hijackers get whatever they wanted?
Yeah Yeah. I wait and watch and feel proud that India is an emerging IT
super power.
>
--
sisir c.
dr jekyll [nothing to Hyde]
India is great on account of sound principles and values,
we are not rich of course, and america is doing great
at the moment, maybe will do so some more time, and
perhaps forever dominate - materialistically speaking...
however, if truth and justice prevail and humanism
were to triumph, it is the cultured and civilized
nations, with india in the forefront, that show the way.
even on the material front, moreover, we will be
catching up with the Joneses pretty soon
sisir <sis...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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sisir
"dr jekyll [nothing to Hyde]" <drj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i don't think u are getting the drift of what i am saying
> India is great on account of sound principles and values,
> we are not rich of course, and america is doing great
> at the moment, maybe will do so some more time, and
> perhaps forever dominate - materialistically speaking...
>
> however, if truth and justice prevail and humanism
> were to triumph, it is the cultured and civilized
> nations, with india in the forefront, that show the way.
>
I agree with you on above.
I am not too excited about all this hoopla about India's IT power. That
alone is not going to put India on the path to anywhere. More important
are the elimination of corruption and illiteracy. Even a small step in
that direction is worth lot more.
dr jekyll [nothing to Hyde]
very slowly, the educated guys are moving into politics,
and as Naipaul wished, we wd see a billion revolutions,
hopefully in hte near future.
well, IT is giving lots of jobs to people. Back in the
80s, my bro, an electronics graduate from a good
college had to wait one year to get a job. Early 90s
when i was job-hunting, with a masters in english,
no scene for years, until i got a piddly publishing job
after years of seeking.
IT also enables moving good many people out of india
[absolute need of the hour, in addition to pop. control]
and some money comes back to india.
but i agree with you on that, this alone will not solve.
corruption has to be eradicated.
more importantly, we lost our self confidence. we believed
the colonizers theory that until they came we are a bunch
of jokers [well, we were industrially backward, i admit, but
as people, we are pretty much as intelligent as the best
there is in the world - which is what the IT wave has proved]
in that context, IT is totemic. Like everything in india, it is
a mix of fact and fiction that gives strength to believers,
helps to identify or unite various streams o folks.
u can't imagine what inspiration boys in a village get
from the fact that one of them is "out there" making
a success of his life and career.
india is an old, tired (retired) civilization, with no more
drive to go out there and achieve. now we are redefining
it in terms of the young people and their aspirations,
in the process setting aside some age old praxis...
such as the stigma of crossing the seas (re. ramanujan)
or eating at the same table where they are eating beef.
first we didn't have the gumption or strength to prevail,
then we lost confidence. Now the confidence is back
and it is just a matter of time before some of the diehard
traditionalists just die out (in the natural course of things)
and the younger lot take over the wheel.
sarve janah sukino bhavantu...
sisir <sis...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8qehct$h3t$1...@clematis.singnet.com.sg>,
> "dr jekyll [nothing to Hyde]" <drj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > i don't think u are getting the drift of what i am saying
> > India is great on account of sound principles and values,
> > we are not rich of course, and america is doing great
> > at the moment, maybe will do so some more time, and
> > perhaps forever dominate - materialistically speaking...
> >
> > however, if truth and justice prevail and humanism
> > were to triumph, it is the cultured and civilized
> > nations, with india in the forefront, that show the way.
> >
>
> I agree with you on above.
>
> I am not too excited about all this hoopla about India's IT power. That
> alone is not going to put India on the path to anywhere. More important
> are the elimination of corruption and illiteracy. Even a small step in
> that direction is worth lot more.
>
>
>