Some people never learn; Invitation for East India Company again!
Omindian
PTI
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The first ever mural painting of Jesus Christ's
'Last supper' using purely temple art techniques, meant as Kerala's
gift to the pope, is getting finishing touches at the Vasthu Vidya
Gurukulam at Aranmula in Pathanamthitta district.
The work by artist Suresh Muthukulam is also envisaged as an attempt
to adapt a biblical theme to a medium used predominantly to depict
Hindu mythological subjects on temple walls in Kerala.
The Kerala cultural department has already initiated steps to send the
work to vatican to be dedicated to the 'holy see'.
"The last supper is one of the most dramatic episodes in Christ's
life. It has been immortalised by Leonarado Da Vinci. Here we are
trying to create a mural version strictly adhering to the ritualistic
and artistic aspects as it has been practised in Kerala for
centuries", the gurukulam's executive dirctor, P N Suresh, told PTI.
Artist Suresh had been working on it for over six months. Before that,
elaborate groundwork had gone into the research, tempering the 6X4
asbestos table on which the work is done and preparation of the
natural colours out of lime stone and leaves etc.
"The work will be ready in another 10 days. It may need a few days'
seasoning and then to be despatched to vatican through the Papal
Nuncio in India", Suresh said.
Arun
The east india company has long wounded up,besides east India company
came from england,not from Pope or Italy.you seem to have a very
confused mind
Prudence
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> PTI
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> THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The first ever mural painting of Jesus Christ's
> 'Last supper' using purely temple art techniques, meant as Kerala's
<snip>
A piece of art is a piece of art, that's it!
But, for Taliban minded people, it will look different. They won't get
sleep unless the art is covered with gelatin sticks.
Neil Ozman
ideas, social change, etc... An example of this in the 19th Centuary was the
Pre-Raphalities and their art work challenged the British establishment as
well as the church.
During this time the Anarchist movement was in full flight and the word
anarchy really ment to live harmoniously and for people to take charge of
their futures, the established "democratic" norms were challenged. The
Victorian establishment used litterature to change the meaning of anarchy to
mean disorder, etc... the morden usage of the term now days.
Art in it's broadest sense does in fact influance society, it projects an
image of that society to the rest of the world. Art is not just art!
Prudence <newsgrou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Prudence
> You should actually read history and know how art has been used to propagate
> ideas, social change, etc... An example of this in the 19th Centuary was the
> Pre-Raphalities and their art work challenged the British establishment as
> well as the church.
Let's apply that logic here.
The painting uses 'Hindu mythological subjects on temple walls in Kerala'.
Hence we can safey assume that this is an attempt to attract the Pope to Hinduism!
My only doubt is: Why is 'Omindian' protesting?
Neil Ozman
You had said ....
"> A piece of art is a piece of art, that's it!"
I have said it is not and given my views, the fact is that there have been
other Christian "churches" and missionaries who have used Hindu deities by
Christianising them to convert people. An example of this is/was Father Bade
Griffiths. There were objections from the Catholics because they felt he was
diluting Catholism and Hindus protested because they felt he was abusing
Hinduism.
The crux of the matter is that Art in it's broadest sense is a
communications tool that influances culture, faith, etc... So a piece of art
is just not a piece of art, it has meaning and conveys a message.
> My only doubt is: Why is 'Omindian' protesting?
This person has "protested" because the art work proved him/her and that is
what it was suppose to do!
> Let's apply that logic here.
Art sometimes defies logic and in fact challenges our norms. It evokes
emotions and emotions are always logical.
----- Original Message -----
From: Prudence <newsgrou...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.kerala,soc.culture.indian
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Some people never learn; Invitation for East India Company
again!
Omindian
being painted. And see how Prudence has cleverly distorted the whole
thing. If caught red handed, such beings will first feel sorry and
then they will go to the nearest church and confess. Anyway, he is
proving to be a worthy successor of his St.Thomas who taught them how
to sin, confess, sin, confess ........... Really enjoyable isn't it?
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M. Ranjit Mathews
> From: Prudence <newsgrou...@yahoo.com>
>
> You had said ....
>
> "> A piece of art is a piece of art, that's it!"
>
> I have said it is not and given my views, the fact is that there have been
> other Christian "churches" and missionaries who have used Hindu deities by
> Christianising them to convert people. An example of this is/was Father Bade
> Griffiths. There were objections from the Catholics because they felt he was
> diluting Catholism and
> Hindus protested because they felt he was abusing
> Hinduism.
If Hindus Hinduized Christian figures by (say) installing vigrahams of
Mary and Jesus in temples, would Roman Catholics protest that
Christianity is being abused?
harmony
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I once heard Pat robertson having problem with that. He wants exclusiviity;
and, let catholics face it, so does the abusive ungrateful Pope who does not
know how to be a graceful guest in India.
Supreme4007
The Indians themselves are showing how to con other Indians using their own
art.
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Neil Ozman
> > Hinduism.
>
> If Hindus Hinduized Christian figures by (say) installing vigrahams of
> Mary and Jesus in temples, would Roman Catholics protest that
> Christianity is being abused?
Have they not already done so? See what I have written below!
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Prudence
> From: Prudence <newsgrou...@yahoo.com>
>
> You had said ....
>
> "> A piece of art is a piece of art, that's it!"
>
> I have said it is not and given my views, the fact is that there have been
> other Christian "churches" and missionaries who have used Hindu deities by
> Christianising them to convert people.
Frankly, I was not aware of this. But there has been a consistent
demand from the Sangh Parivar to 'Indianise' Christianity. And
whenever an attempt was made on these lines, there were accusations
that Christians are re-packaging their faith so that it has a better
appeal to the locals.
> The crux of the matter is that Art in it's broadest sense is a
> communications tool that influances culture, faith, etc... So a piece of art
> is just not a piece of art, it has meaning and conveys a message.
Thanks for the explanation. Can you tell me what that message is (in
this particular case) Does it look like an invitation for colonialism?
Prudence
> The original posting clearly mentions that it is 'Last Supper' that is
> being painted.
And what was the medium used? How does this become an invitation to colonialism?
> And see how Prudence has cleverly distorted the whole
> thing.
Did I?
> If caught red handed, such beings will first feel sorry and
> then they will go to the nearest church and confess.
Your knowledge of Christianity sees no bounds!
> Anyway, he is
> proving to be a worthy successor of his St.Thomas who taught them how
> to sin, confess, sin, confess ........... Really enjoyable isn't it?
You gotta experience it! Nothing better than this.
Neil Ozman
This is not a simple issue of Hindu verses Christian etc...
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> "Neil Ozman" <neil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > From: Prudence <newsgrou...@yahoo.com>
>
M. Ranjit Mathews
> > > Hindus protested because they felt he was abusing Hinduism.
> >
> > If Hindus Hinduized Christian figures by (say) installing vigrahams of
> > Mary and Jesus in temples, would Roman Catholics protest that
> > Christianity is being abused?
>
> Have they not already done so?
No. Is there really a Hindu temple anywhere with Jesus/ Mary vigrahams?
> See what I have written below!
> M. Ranjit Mathews <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> > "Neil Ozman" <neil...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
K.Kunju
Who are these "some" people? Who sent the invitation to the East
India Company the first time?
> 'Last supper' mural to be gifted to Pope
Nothing against the idea of having a mural painting of the "last
supper" and portraying Christ with an Indian way of looking at things.
I have not seen this mural, but in my imagination it would look like
this: Jesus and the 12 disciples are seated on mats on floor. Their
faces and heads are shaven with a tuft of hair left at the top of
head. They wear sacred threads as Brahmins do, each one has a thilak
on his forehead. They wear dothi but no upper garment. Food is
served on banana leaves in typical Kerala style and they eat rice with
hand and enjoy all side dishes such as sambar, rasam, curd, and
papdam. Each has a tumbler full of freshly brewed karingali water in
front of him. What did I miss? Oh, they have a lighted oil lamp in
front of them.
Bholu
"M. Ranjit Mathews" wrote:
> No. Is there really a Hindu temple anywhere with Jesus/ Mary vigrahams?
Let me know if there is one. Hopefully Hanuman is at hand as well.
Neil Ozman
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