During the reign of the Manchu empire, i.e. the Qing dynasty, the Han Chinese
were forced to wear the Manchu style pigtails from the time they were
conquered in 1644, and once the 1911 revolution gathered pace the Han would
cut off their pigtails to show their "Freedom from Manchu oppression" as Mao
described it.
The revolution of 1911 was unequivocally an uprising by one race against
another; by the Han against the Manchu.
The revolution even flew the white Han flag, which bore just one character;
Han, in the clearest indication that the revolution was a fight by the Han
against their invaders and overlords, the Manchu, which the Han deeply
despised and resented.
Sun Yat-sen, in a most bizarre show of deference to Han superiority, even went
to the Yongle Emperor's tomb and addressed him as though he were present:
"The policies of the Manchus have been one of obdurate tyranny, motivated by a
desire for eternal subjugation of the Chinese. The Manchus have governed the
country to the everlasting detriment of the people. Today, the Chinese race
has finally restored the government to the Chinese people. Your people have
come here today to inform your Majesty of the final victory."
But this sentiment soon gave way to a realization that what they, the Han, are
now doing in subjugating the Manchus and all the other races, which in turn
were subjugated by the Manchu's earlier, is exactly the same as the Manchus
did to them, and of course the very reason for the revolution.
So, in order to be able to justify the subjugation, occupation and conquest of
these indigenous lands and territories and 'claim' them as part of the new Han
nation, Sun Yat-sen, in a stroke of the most duplicitous conniving, made an
abrupt, and complete about turn and declared the Republic of China a
'multiethnic state composed of Mongols, Tibetans, Han, Uighur and Manchus'.
But of course it was, and is today, the Han who hold all the power in this
'multiethnic, nation.
Thus, the Han Chinese claimed the territories of all the other nations
comprising over 60% of today's China, in spite of the fact that none of these
nations was a willing participant, or had any share in the economic, military
or political power.
And neither do they today!
In fact, Tibet and Mongolia had just reasserted their independence. This of
course was a further catalyst to change tack completely for the Han Chinese,
who sought to dominate all the territories of their erstwhile overlords; the
so much loathed and despised Manchus.
This stroke of "racist genius" by Dr. Sun Yat-sen, more than anything else,
unites the Communists of mainland China and the Nationalists of Taiwan in
celebrating him as the 'father of modern China', though he wasn't even in the
country for the best part of the revolution!
The ordinary people of the Manchu race paid a very heavy price, as once the
Han had established themselves as the power to be reckoned with and the Manchu
reign had collapsed, widespread ethnic cleansing took place and an orgy of
Manchu slaughtering spread throughout the new republic.
This sort of racism was of course not new to the new republic, during the
Manchu empire, and here the distinction between the Manchu ruling class and
the Han Chinese subjects becomes somewhat blurred, the 'Chinese' would view
all the 'border people as 'barbarians'.
They would refer to these 'barbarians' with the added characters of dog for
the people of the north, a reptile for the Min and Man people and a sheep for
the Qiang, etc.
This entrenched racism is at the root of the barbarism and atrocities visited
upon all the subjugated and conquered people, ever since the days of the
Manchu empire, and even earlier.
The Chinese under the Manchu banner perpetrated the most heinous atrocities in
Tibet against the local population and committed such acts of barbarity that
it left the Tibetans deeply traumatised and in utter desolation.
(Of course today we celebrate these atrocities in the name of the victims in
the unreservedly hypocritical 'Serfs Emancipation Day'.)
Now the CCP has learnt its lesson from history and has, ever since its
ascendancy, systematically denigrated these 'border people' and 'barbarians'
with every means possible.
Through movies, exhibitions, books, curriculum content inculcated into
generations of Chinese students, daily news, even sitcoms, entertainment
programmes, etc.
The staged and incited riots in Lhasa, and later in Urumqi have provided the
CCP with a smorgasbord of motives and excuses to further malign and denigrate
these people.
The news about the riots was underscored by the most vociferous and incendiary
commentary, and was broadcast around the clock ad nauseam to instil maximum
resentment and hatred in their sole constituency, the Han people, against
these subjugated minorities.
This is a clear strategy by the Han CCP to create a common enemy against which
they could unite their 1.2 billion strong Han masses, and divert their anger
away from CCP themselves.
(A ploy Hitler used successfully against the Jews in the 1930s; Then the Jews
under Hitler, today the Tibetans under Hu Jintao)
The CCP has been under increasing pressure from an ever more restless,
discontented and disenfranchised populace who sees the CCP and their cronies
pocketing all their money, and stealing, cheating and grafting from the masses
for their own profit, besides the unbearable oppression and gerrymander that
is bedevilling 'China'.
Denigrating and demonising the opponent is the oldest, and most odious, trick
in the book. It has been used by every tyrant and every nation subjugating
other people, but the CCP has turned it into a completely new and depraved
'art form' by combining it with the biggest, most unashamedly blatant
propaganda machinery any regime has ever devised.
This calculated denigration and demonisation is at the root of the atrocities
committed by the Han Chinese, particularly during the last sixty years, but
also during the last three hundred years, and of course today, mainly in Tibet
but also in the other occupied territories.
Make the victim subhuman and you've got a puppet citizenry of automatons and
thus completely suspend the perpetrators' conscience.
This is borne out in the truly abhorrent atrocities which Han Chinese are
capable of committing, in the 21st century no less, against their purportedly
fellow brothers and sisters, in Tibet, China proper, and the other occupied
territories.
Today, even people in the west are sometimes uncertain as to what is fact, and
what are CCP propaganda lies, let alone the people of China, who for want of
any alternative news source are left to grasp at every insane propaganda lie
fed to them.
The result can be seen on any forum where Han Chinese defend the indefensible
in their decidedly callous, obdurate and boorish fashion.
Racism is pernicious and insidious; the so programmed perpetrator is unwilling
and unable to recognize it, and even perceives the mere fact of raising such
affronts on their behalf as prejudice.
Sad indeed, for a mind hostage to such a meme is the mind of blind, deaf and
mute person.
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cardano/blog/2009/10/18/racism_and_the_han_nation
This is probably the most unintellectual statement I have ever read
and it was mostly likely
written by a 'soft subjects' major like yourself.
There is no questions that there are many corrupt government officials
inside the party but don't
forget that this party is responsible for bringing so many people out
of abject poverty in a short span
of time, and for which they should be given credit.
====================================
> http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cardano/blog/2009/10/18/racism_and_the_han_...
> This is probably the most unintellectual statement I have ever read
> and it was mostly likely
> written by a 'soft subjects' major like yourself.
>
> There is no questions that there are many corrupt government officials
> inside the party but don't forget that this party is responsible for
> bringing so many people out of abject poverty in a short span
> of time, and for which they should be given credit.
Off course, but of what costs did the bring this welfare?
Taiwan was much faster then China, did not need to destroy old culture's or
abuse Human Rights for that and don't forget the incredible pollution in
China.
The first 30 years the communists brought China to the worst level of
Civilization they had ever known. If they could forget their communistic
dreams it could go so much faster, real harmony could be soon on the way.
Kind Regards,
Peter
--
'I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not
judge the universe.'
«Dalai Lama»
> This is probably the most unintellectual statement I have ever read
> and it was mostly likely
> written by a 'soft subjects' major like yourself.
>
> There is no questions that there are many corrupt government officials
> inside the party but don't forget that this party is responsible for
> bringing so many people out of abject poverty in a short span
> of time, and for which they should be given credit.
Off course, but of what costs did they bring this welfare?
America did NOT become a great nation by kowtowing to the native Indians
did it?
In fact "imperialism" was so taken for granted that it's distilled into
poetry:
The Stranger
by Rudyard Kipling
The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk�
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.
The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control�
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.
The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.
This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf�
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
Han superiority is a Chinese leadership thing. it is not chinese
people thing. chinese people just want to get on with their lives. RAK
touts Han superiority because his short stupid self is dominated by
the whites.
Yeah, that's it !
America can kill all the "injians" they want but it's ok, but if the
Tibetans start killing the Han Chinese and government impose curfew,
oh no, that's racism, that's Han oppression, that's ... you can fill
in whatever bullshit you can think of and they will use it against
China.
On Oct 19, 6:01 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A comment:
>
> America did NOT become a great nation by kowtowing to the native Indians
> did it?
>
> In fact "imperialism" was so taken for granted that it's distilled into
> poetry:
>
> The Stranger
> by Rudyard Kipling
>
> The Stranger within my gate,
> He may be true or kind,
> But he does not talk my talk—
> I cannot feel his mind.
> I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
> But not the soul behind.
>
> The men of my own stock,
> They may do ill or well,
> But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
> They are used to the lies I tell;
> And we do not need interpreters
> When we go to buy or sell.
>
> The Stranger within my gates,
> He may be evil or good,
> But I cannot tell what powers control—
> What reasons sway his mood;
> Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
> Shall repossess his blood.
>
> The men of my own stock,
> Bitter bad they may be,
> But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
> And see the things I see;
> And whatever I think of them and their likes
> They think of the likes of me.
>
> This was my father's belief
> And this is also mine:
> Let the corn be all one sheaf—
> >http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cardano/blog/2009/10/18/racism_and_the_han_...
> A comment:
>
> America did NOT become a great nation by kowtowing to the native Indians
> did it?
>
> In fact "imperialism" was so taken for granted that it's distilled into
> poetry:
>
> The Stranger
> by Rudyard Kipling
>
> The Stranger within my gate,
> He may be true or kind,
> But he does not talk my talk—
> I cannot feel his mind.
> I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
> But not the soul behind.
>
> The men of my own stock,
> They may do ill or well,
> But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
> They are used to the lies I tell;
> And we do not need interpreters
> When we go to buy or sell.
>
> The Stranger within my gates,
> He may be evil or good,
> But I cannot tell what powers control—
> What reasons sway his mood;
> Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
> Shall repossess his blood.
>
> The men of my own stock,
> Bitter bad they may be,
> But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
> And see the things I see;
> And whatever I think of them and their likes
> They think of the likes of me.
>
> This was my father's belief
> And this is also mine:
> Let the corn be all one sheaf—
> And the grapes be all one vine,
> Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
> By bitter bread and wine.
Thanks for your comment and the poem, I hope you did not take it personally.
I'm not sure if I like the poem or not, there are times that a culture needs
to protect itself and there are times that a culture needs to open up. In my
view the Chinese want to be global so they need to open up as much as they can
and not stick to a brain-blocking idealism, patriotism and so on, they should
take the world in there heart like the Indians do.
It goes both ways, but never on demand, understanding has to find its way to
the heart.
Kind Regards,
Peter
just look at the Chinese in Malaysia ,
Chinese in Malaysia look down on the Malays .
just look at the Chinese in Indonesia ,
Chinese in Indonesia use muslem names and
still look down on the native dark skin Indonesians .
just look at the Chinese in the Philippines,
Chinese in the Philippines look down on the Real pinoys ,
just look at Singapore , Chinese in Singapore
stole Singapore from the Malays and
Chinese Singaporeans
still look down on the Malays .
n Oct 18, 3:35 am, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyn-o-saur.com> wrote:
> Racismand theHanNation
> Sunday, October 18, 2009, 03:31 AM GMT [General]
>
> During the reign of the Manchu empire, i.e. the Qing dynasty, theHanChinese
> were forced to wear the Manchu style pigtails from the time they were
> conquered in 1644, and once the 1911 revolution gathered pace theHanwould
> cut off their pigtails to show their "Freedom from Manchu oppression" as Mao
> described it.
> The revolution of 1911 was unequivocally an uprising by one race against
> another; by theHanagainst the Manchu.
> The revolution even flew the whiteHanflag, which bore just one character;Han, in the clearest indication that the revolution was a fight by theHan
> against their invaders and overlords, the Manchu, which theHandeeply
> despised and resented.
> Sun Yat-sen, in a most bizarre show of deference toHansuperiority, even went
> to the Yongle Emperor's tomb and addressed him as though he were present:
> "The policies of the Manchus have been one of obdurate tyranny, motivated by a
> desire for eternal subjugation of the Chinese. The Manchus have governed the
> country to the everlasting detriment of the people. Today, the Chinese race
> has finally restored the government to the Chinese people. Your people have
> come here today to inform your Majesty of the final victory."
> But this sentiment soon gave way to a realization that what they, theHan, are
> now doing in subjugating the Manchus and all the other races, which in turn
> were subjugated by the Manchu's earlier, is exactly the same as the Manchus
> did to them, and of course the very reason for the revolution.
> So, in order to be able to justify the subjugation, occupation and conquest of
> these indigenous lands and territories and 'claim' them as part of the newHan
> nation, Sun Yat-sen, in a stroke of the most duplicitous conniving, made an
> abrupt, and complete about turn and declared the Republic of China a
> 'multiethnic state composed of Mongols, Tibetans,Han, Uighur and Manchus'.
> But of course it was, and is today, theHanwho hold all the power in this
> 'multiethnic, nation.
> Thus, theHanChinese claimed the territories of all the other nations
> comprising over 60% of today's China, in spite of the fact that none of these
> nations was a willing participant, or had any share in the economic, military
> or political power.
> And neither do they today!
> In fact, Tibet and Mongolia had just reasserted their independence. This of
> course was a further catalyst to change tack completely for theHanChinese,
> who sought to dominate all the territories of their erstwhile overlords; the
> so much loathed and despised Manchus.
> This stroke of "racist genius" by Dr. Sun Yat-sen, more than anything else,
> unites the Communists of mainland China and the Nationalists of Taiwan in
> celebrating him as the 'father of modern China', though he wasn't even in the
> country for the best part of the revolution!
> The ordinary people of the Manchu race paid a very heavy price, as once theHanhad established themselves as the power to be reckoned with and the Manchu
> reign had collapsed, widespread ethnic cleansing took place and an orgy of
> Manchu slaughtering spread throughout the new republic.
> This sort ofracismwas of course not new to the new republic, during the
> Manchu empire, and here the distinction between the Manchu ruling class and
> theHanChinese subjects becomes somewhat blurred, the 'Chinese' would view
> all the 'border people as 'barbarians'.
> They would refer to these 'barbarians' with the added characters of dog for
> the people of the north, a reptile for the Min and Man people and a sheep for
> the Qiang, etc.
> This entrenchedracismis at the root of the barbarism and atrocities visited
> upon all the subjugated and conquered people, ever since the days of the
> Manchu empire, and even earlier.
> The Chinese under the Manchu banner perpetrated the most heinous atrocities in
> Tibet against the local population and committed such acts of barbarity that
> it left the Tibetans deeply traumatised and in utter desolation.
> (Of course today we celebrate these atrocities in the name of the victims in
> the unreservedly hypocritical 'Serfs Emancipation Day'.)
> Now the CCP has learnt its lesson from history and has, ever since its
> ascendancy, systematically denigrated these 'border people' and 'barbarians'
> with every means possible.
> Through movies, exhibitions, books, curriculum content inculcated into
> generations of Chinese students, daily news, even sitcoms, entertainment
> programmes, etc.
> The staged and incited riots in Lhasa, and later in Urumqi have provided the
> CCP with a smorgasbord of motives and excuses to further malign and denigrate
> these people.
> The news about the riots was underscored by the most vociferous and incendiary
> commentary, and was broadcast around the clock ad nauseam to instil maximum
> resentment and hatred in their sole constituency, theHanpeople, against
> these subjugated minorities.
> This is a clear strategy by theHanCCP to create a common enemy against which
> they could unite their 1.2 billion strongHanmasses, and divert their anger
> away from CCP themselves.
> (A ploy Hitler used successfully against the Jews in the 1930s; Then the Jews
> under Hitler, today the Tibetans under Hu Jintao)
> The CCP has been under increasing pressure from an ever more restless,
> discontented and disenfranchised populace who sees the CCP and their cronies
> pocketing all their money, and stealing, cheating and grafting from the masses
> for their own profit, besides the unbearable oppression and gerrymander that
> is bedevilling 'China'.
> Denigrating and demonising the opponent is the oldest, and most odious, trick
> in the book. It has been used by every tyrant and every nation subjugating
> other people, but the CCP has turned it into a completely new and depraved
> 'art form' by combining it with the biggest, most unashamedly blatant
> propaganda machinery any regime has ever devised.
> This calculated denigration and demonisation is at the root of the atrocities
> committed by theHanChinese, particularly during the last sixty years, but
> also during the last three hundred years, and of course today, mainly in Tibet
> but also in the other occupied territories.
> Make the victim subhuman and you've got a puppet citizenry of automatons and
> thus completely suspend the perpetrators' conscience.
> This is borne out in the truly abhorrent atrocities whichHanChinese are
> capable of committing, in the 21st century no less, against their purportedly
> fellow brothers and sisters, in Tibet, China proper, and the other occupied
> territories.
> Today, even people in the west are sometimes uncertain as to what is fact, and
> what are CCP propaganda lies, let alone the people of China, who for want of
> any alternative news source are left to grasp at every insane propaganda lie
> fed to them.
> The result can be seen on any forum whereHanChinese defend the indefensible
> in their decidedly callous, obdurate and boorish fashion.Racismis pernicious and insidious; the so programmed perpetrator is unwilling
> and unable to recognize it, and even perceives the mere fact of raising such
> affronts on their behalf as prejudice.
> Sad indeed, for a mind hostage to such a meme is the mind of blind, deaf and
> mute person.
>
> http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cardano/blog/2009/10/18/racism_and_the_han_...
On Oct 21, 8:58 am, "Liu Ya Tzer , a founding member of the KMT and
a Communist Sympathizer of Chairman Mao"
Or Muslims - "freedom-fighters" in China, "terrorists" otherwise.
>
> On Oct 19, 6:01 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> A comment:
>>
>> America did NOT become a great nation by kowtowing to the native Indians
>> did it?
>>
>> In fact "imperialism" was so taken for granted that it's distilled into
>> poetry:
>>
>> The Stranger
>> by Rudyard Kipling
>>
>> The Stranger within my gate,
>> He may be true or kind,
>> But he does not talk my talk�
>> I cannot feel his mind.
>> I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
>> But not the soul behind.
>>
>> The men of my own stock,
>> They may do ill or well,
>> But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
>> They are used to the lies I tell;
>> And we do not need interpreters
>> When we go to buy or sell.
>>
>> The Stranger within my gates,
>> He may be evil or good,
>> But I cannot tell what powers control�
>> What reasons sway his mood;
>> Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
>> Shall repossess his blood.
>>
>> The men of my own stock,
>> Bitter bad they may be,
>> But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
>> And see the things I see;
>> And whatever I think of them and their likes
>> They think of the likes of me.
>>
>> This was my father's belief
>> And this is also mine:
>> Let the corn be all one sheaf�
Au contraire, racial consciousness is natural, normal, and healthy as I
have come to realize and recognize as part of our nature:
Besides, look at Jews. They are some of the most literate and educated
people in the world today, very urban, very successful in international
business, and yet they have a consciousness of who they really are. Can
you imagine if you to tell them, hey, you know how you can make Israel
more successful in a world that's getting smaller and smaller? Open up
Israel to the Palestinians, open up Israel to Kenyans and Zimbabweans,
and you'll be wealthier, you'll boost trade, you'll be enriched by
diversity? Do you really think Jews would buy that?
On June 28, 1993, Yitzhak Rabin said: "But for me a Jewish state means
that at least 80 percent of its citizens must be Jewish. I don't want a
situation of four, five million Jews and two and a half or three million
Palestinians, because we are different. We are different entities by
religion, by policies. We are different nations. Different by
nationality. I see what happens all over the world nowadays when there
are large minorities that don't want to identify with the destiny of the
state in which they are a major minority." Sadly he wasn't good enough
for one Yigal Amir.....
Or take the case of Japanese. It doesn't 'open up' to outsiders and yet
it's *still* incredibly successful in spite of the 1990s 'lost decade'.
It has the longest life expectancies of the world, the healthiest
populations in the world, and the wealthiest country in the world adult
net worth as noted elsewhere. From an American writer:
A few decades from now, Japan will still be unmistakably Japanese.
While America which opens up to all the wretched refuse in the world,
blinded by "brain-blocking idealism", is already no longer recognizable.
Every white man a rapist. Every white woman an accomplice.
BALLS, you also call yourself "CPC - Communist Party of China".
You're shameless Komin the Thief.
Wakalukong
> Au contraire, racial consciousness is natural, normal, and healthy as I
> have come to realize and recognize as part of our nature:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7wno46
>
> Besides, look at Jews. They are some of the most literate and educated
> people in the world today, very urban, very successful in international
> business, and yet they have a consciousness of who they really are. Can
> you imagine if you to tell them, hey, you know how you can make Israel
> more successful in a world that's getting smaller and smaller? Open up
> Israel to the Palestinians, open up Israel to Kenyans and Zimbabweans,
> and you'll be wealthier, you'll boost trade, you'll be enriched by
> diversity? Do you really think Jews would buy that?
>
> On June 28, 1993, Yitzhak Rabin said: "But for me a Jewish state means
> that at least 80 percent of its citizens must be Jewish. I don't want a
> situation of four, five million Jews and two and a half or three million
> Palestinians, because we are different. We are different entities by
> religion, by policies. We are different nations. Different by
> nationality. I see what happens all over the world nowadays when there
> are large minorities that don't want to identify with the destiny of the
> state in which they are a major minority." Sadly he wasn't good enough
> for one Yigal Amir.....
>
> Or take the case of Japanese. It doesn't 'open up' to outsiders and yet
> it's still incredibly successful in spite of the 1990s 'lost decade'.
> It has the longest life expectancies of the world, the healthiest
> populations in the world, and the wealthiest country in the world adult
> net worth as noted elsewhere. From an American writer:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/b9hvq6
>
> A few decades from now, Japan will still be unmistakably Japanese.
>
> While America which opens up to all the wretched refuse in the world,
> blinded by "brain-blocking idealism", is already no longer recognizable.
You are such a strong believer of ignorance :-)
Kind Regards,
Peter
Chinese are all thieves coming into ASEAN.
> > >http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cardano/blog/2009/10/18/racism_and_the_han_...Hide quoted text -
Chinese look down on the black skin Malays .
and Fake Komin pretends that Fake Komin has B;ack skin
n Oct 23, 8:00 am, prophet Muhammud the Child Fucker
> > > >http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cardano/blog/2009/10/18/racism_and_the_han_...quoted text -
Chinese hate all Black skin people .
and the Fake Komin did not
know Mr . So Khun , a Minister of Post
in Cambodia , has Black Skin .
n Oct 25, 8:00 pm, la Comtesse Erzsebet de Bathory
> > > > >http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cardano/blog/2009/10/18/racism_and_the_han_...text -