WHO IS JESUS ?????????????
bv
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for
doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to
consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are
not drawn out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32 , and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said,
"Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but
what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can
of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful,
He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his
own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus
is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one
whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto
my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John
20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My
God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God,
then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken
me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's
prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to ! himself? When in the garden
of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neith! er heard His voice at any
time nor seen His shape." < st1:place>St. John 5:37. He also said in
St. John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen
or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him,
is clear proof that Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater
than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17 ,
Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but
one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions
between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from
God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus
gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his
equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42 , "not my will but thine
be done" and in St. John 5:30 , ! "I seek not mine own will but the
will of the Father which hath sent m e." That Jesus would admit that
he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed
to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than
himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to
affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the
Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as
presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to
Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is.
(Qur'an 19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent
of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall
down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son;
and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in
the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant
(Qur'an 19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People ! of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was
only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and
a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in
the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an
4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You ar! e the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they
have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they
did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him;
God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book
but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the
Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ISLAM, WE PREFER TO VISIT THE FOLLOWING
WEBSITES:
http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran
http://www.islamhouse.com/s/9661
http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1
http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/index.aspx?lang=e
http://www.thetruereligion.org
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran
http://www.prophetmuhammed.org
cwjmem
> WHO IS JESUS?
Last week, two young Christian girls came to my place and try to teach
the me the bible. One of them read the phrase "the bread of life and
the red wine". She told me that if I was to eat the bread and the red
wine given by the pastor after the Passover, I would receive the
internal life. She also went on to tell me that "only way thru Jesus"
I would have the eternal life and get to heaven. Further more, she
told that Bible is written by god. Lastly, she told me that god know
the day of the rupture.
I said there are 150 + kinds of religions on earth, no one religion is
better than the other, through Christian brainwashed teaching Jesus is
maybe a heaven gate keeper for you, but not for me. I also told them
that the bible is written and still continue revising to this day. I
pointed it out to them that " you and I can write our own bible".
Lastly, I mentioned to them that the day of rupture was on May 21,
2011, why you and I still standing here chatting? They looked at me
in a awful confusion and left.
These folks are so blind and so brainwashed by the idiots that take
their 10-15% annual incomes, sit and think ways of getting themselves
fed through spreading the world of god. Most vulnerable individuals
are the victims of their preys. Seeking god help is through
individual, not with the bunch of idiots who would collect your hard
earned money to feed themselves.
chia
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Peb tsis tag yuav mus hais ub hais no, Kuv hnug nej tias nej kev ua
dab qhuas nej pheej hais tias nej ua li poj ua cia yawg ua tseg xwb.
Yog li tus poj thiab tus yawg ntawd yog leej twg? Dab niam dab txiv
yog leej twg? tus dab xwm kab yog nej mus xyaum qhov twg los? Ua li
nej ntseeg tias yog dab tsim nej tib neeg lo? Lub ntiajteb no yog dab
tsim lo? Nej tus siv xyis ua neeb uas tuag lawm ntaub ntawv nyob qhov
twg qhia tias nws kov yeej Ntxoog Nyoog thiab sawv rov los tau li
Yexus? Muaj pes tsawg lub tebchaws los yog haivneeg nrog nej ntseeg?
Lub ntaijteb thiab tibneeg no yog Vajtswv tsim, nej txawm tsis ntseeg
nej tus Tswv uas yog tus tsim nej los muaj ib hnub nej yeej yuav paub
hais tias nej tus Tswv yog tus twg ( one day you will know). Thaum
ntawd nej mam li hais tias paub li paub li, tab siv lub caij ntawd
yuav too late rau nej. No matter what, nej lub cev txawm tuag lawm
los nej tus ntxuj nplig yeej tseem yuav raug Vajtswv txiav txim tib
si. Cov Dab uas nej niaj hnub ntseeg no los txog lub caij Vajtswv
txiav txim Vajtswv yeej tseem yuav txiav txim rau lawv huv tib si.
The Bible of God said that.
Kom nej to taub tias Vajtswv yog Vajtswv ( this earth is a kingdom of
God) nej txawm tsis ntseeg los tsis muaj neeg yuam nej, tab siv neeg
ntiajteb feem coob yeej ntseeg thiab lees paub tias yeej muaj Vajtswv
tiag.
cwjmem
> Peb tsis tag yuav mus hais ub hais no, Kuv hnug nej tias nej kev ua
> dab qhuas nej pheej hais tias nej ua li poj ua cia yawg ua tseg xwb.
> Yog li tus poj thiab tus yawg ntawd yog leej twg? Dab niam dab txiv
> yog leej twg? tus dab xwm kab yog nej mus xyaum qhov twg los? Ua li
> nej ntseeg tias yog dab tsim nej tib neeg lo? Lub ntiajteb no yog dab
> tsim lo? Nej tus siv xyis ua neeb uas tuag lawm ntaub ntawv nyob qhov
> twg qhia tias nws kov yeej Ntxoog Nyoog thiab sawv rov los tau li
> Yexus? Muaj pes tsawg lub tebchaws los yog haivneeg nrog nej ntseeg?
>
> Lub ntaijteb thiab tibneeg no yog Vajtswv tsim, nej txawm tsis ntseeg
> nej tus Tswv uas yog tus tsim nej los muaj ib hnub nej yeej yuav paub
> hais tias nej tus Tswv yog tus twg ( one day you will know). Thaum
> ntawd nej mam li hais tias paub li paub li, tab siv lub caij ntawd
> yuav too late rau nej. No matter what, nej lub cev txawm tuag lawm
> los nej tus ntxuj nplig yeej tseem yuav raug Vajtswv txiav txim tib
> si. Cov Dab uas nej niaj hnub ntseeg no los txog lub caij Vajtswv
> txiav txim Vajtswv yeej tseem yuav txiav txim rau lawv huv tib si.
> The Bible of God said that.
>
> Kom nej to taub tias Vajtswv yog Vajtswv ( this earth is a kingdom of
> God) nej txawm tsis ntseeg los tsis muaj neeg yuam nej, tab siv neeg
> ntiajteb feem coob yeej ntseeg thiab lees paub tias yeej muaj Vajtswv
> tiag.
He he he Chia...
Jesus holds the key to your christian heaven gate, keep on asking him
to let you in it!!!!
Listen to here for the Hmong version
yawgnomdub
Your story is liar and this man will received his reward in hell for
sure.BV, you also false message, the message of hell.
Born2beMhong
if you want to know how the "invention of Liar" tag ces nej thiaj li
paub txog tias neeg ntiajteb no dag npaum li cas...tsi hais Dev npua
cai, tsi hais vajtswv cai, tsi hais yam religion twg cai li...tib neeg
dag nej txhua tus xwb.
txhua yam tsi muaj li...
Born2beMhong
take a good look...same goest to all the books and bibles...and the
power of men's knowledge...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXYvwEeWrm8&feature=related
chia
Cwjmem,
Kuv pom ntaus tus Hmoob tsis ntseeg Vajtswv yeej paub hais tias muaj
Vajtswv tsuas yog lawv tsis ntseeg Vajtswv lawm xwb. Qhov no twb vim
yog Dab Ntxoog Nyoog los ntxias Adam thiab Eve noj tsob txiv es nkawd
thiaj muaj kev txhaum lawm ces thiaj li ua rau peb tibneeg muaj kev
txhaum thiab ncaim Vajtswv lawm. Txhua haivneeg hauv lub qab ntuj no
yeej yog nkawd li xeeb leej xeeb ntxwv.
Kuv muab ib qho true example: 1) nej cov tsis ntseeg Vajtswv, thaum
muaj ib qho xwm txheej los raug rau nej xws li tub sab nyiag nej li
qoob loo tom liajteb tsis muaj neeg pom, thaum nej mus pom nej cov
qoob ntawd tub sab twb muab nyiag tag ib co lawm nws ua rau mob nej
siab heev nej yeej yuav tsum yws los cem tias peb txawm tsis pom los
yeej muaj Ntuj pom( Ntuj ces yog Vajtswv ntag) nej yeej tsis hais tias
muaj dab pom ib zaug li thiab 2) yog muaj ib tug nom tswv los yog ib
pab neeg twg ua tsis ncaj rau nej lawm, tab sis nej tsis muaj lub peev
xwm hais tau lawv nej yeej hais tias peb tsis tau ua li nej hais nej
txawm ua li rau peb los yeej muaj Ntuj pom. Tej lus no twb yog nej
hais txog Vajtswv yog tus pab nej pom tej teebmeem ua nej raug ntawd
ntag.
Cov neeg tawv tawv thiab thuam Vajtswv mob mob mas tus ntawd yuav los
ntseeg Vajtswv tsis ntev. Tswv Yexus yeej yog txojkev thiab tus key
qhib Ntujceeb Tsheej, yog nej tsis los ntawd Tswv Yexus nej yeej tsis
muaj tus yuav mus txog Ntujceeb Tsheej ib zaug li. Kuv qhia tseeb rau
nej tias nej tej degree nej kawm tau BA, MA, Dr. thiab kev ua nom ua
tswv yeej tsis muaj power los tawm tsam yeej Dab kiag li, tseev koj
yog ib tug zoo txiv neej yawg los thaum muaj ib tug dab los tsog tsuam
kiag koj lawm xwb ces ib cev yeej tuag tag ua twb tsis tau pa. Koj
ntseeg Vajtswv es koj lub siab xav tias Vajtswv pab kuv tawm tsam kom
tus Dab ntawd tawm ntawd kuv mus, tam sim ntawd tus Dab ntawv yeej cia
li tawm lawm. Tab sis yog koj hais tias kuv yog kawm tau Dr. los yog
kuv yog tus nom nyob lub position no kom tus Dab no tawd Dab yeej tsis
tawm ntawd koj hlo li. Tswv Yexus thiaj yog peb tus cawm seeb tseeb
xwb nws tsis muaj lwm tus Tswv lawm.
Chia
DownUnder
wrote about the Miao believe in God who creates everything. Even when
people are sick, the Miao asked the God for help and they do so thru
God's "intermediaire" known as txi neng - the shaman.
So... cwjmem... remember about God's intermediaire!!!
du
DownUnder
Txog lub caij 21st century, 2000 xyoo tom qab Yesus yug los, muaj neeg
ntiaj teb txob 1 feem 3 (1/3) yog cov neeg ntseeg VajTswv... ie. 2.2
billion tus neeg ntseeg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country
Tamsis no, neeg ntiaj teb muaj txog 6.94 billion (as of July 1,
2011). So.. tseem muaj txog 2/3 cov neeg ntiaj teb tseem ntseeg LWM
YAV kev ntseeg.
2. Hais txog kev ntseeg (religion), nws tsis muaj ib hom kev ntseeg
yuav zoo tshaj lwm hom. Nws nyob ntawm tun NEEG NTSEEG ntawd xwb.
3. Yog leej twg tau nyeem F. M. Savina phau ntawv txog hais neeg Miao/
Hmong, nws tau tau Hmong kwvhuam 5000 xyoo dhau los thiab kuj tau hais
txog ntau yam uas Hmong nteeg thiab pab kom Hmoob ua tau ib haiv neeg
uas tsis tus-noob tau 5000 xyoo. Thawj tus Hmoob ua tig los ntseeg
Yesus pib rau xyoo 1907 xwb... Savina thiab tau sau cia tias Hmoob
muaj nws kev ntseeg uas muaj paus, mauj ntsis tau 5000 dhau los.. Zaum
no, thawj tus hmoob tig los ntseeg Yesus pib xyoo 1907... Lino, Hmoob
lub neej yuav zoo licas mus lawm yam tom ntej... li 100 xyoo (2007)
thiab 1000 xyoo tom ntej no???
Los txog hnub no, muaj ib pawg Hmoob tau tig los hawm kev ntseeg
Yesus...
Qhov kev ntseeg tshiab no tau ntev los tau 104 xyoo lawm.
Pab Hmoob coj kev caiv tshiab (tau104 xyoo) no ho TXAWV LICAS lawm
yog muab piv rau cov Hmoob uas tseem tseeg kev cov dab coj qhua
(animist, ancestor worship & shamnism) uas Hmoob tau ntseeg los tau
5000+ xyoo los lawm???
du
As of the early 21st century, Christianity has around 2.2 billion
adherents.[1][2][3] The faith represents nearly one-third of the
world's population and is the largest religion in the world, with
approximately 38,000 Christian denominations.[4] Christians have
composed about 33 percent of the world's population for around 100
years. The largest Christian denomination is the Roman Catholic
Church, with 1.166 billion adherents, representing half of all
Christians.[5]
Christianity is the predominant religion in Europe, Russia, the
Americas, the Philippines, East Timor, Southern Africa, Central
Africa, East Africa and Oceania.[6] There are also large Christian
communities in other parts of the world, such as Central Asia and the
Middle East, where Christianity is the second-largest religion after
Islam. The United States has the largest Christian population in the
world, followed by Brazil and Mexico.[7]
Christianity, in one form or another, is the state religion of the
following 16 nations: Argentina (Roman Catholic Church),[8] Bolivia
(Roman Catholic Church and Christianity),[9] Costa Rica (Roman
Catholic Church),[10] Denmark (Danish National Church),[11] El
Salvador (Roman Catholic Church),[12] England (Church of England),[13]
Greece (Church of Greece), Georgia (Georgian Orthodox Church), Iceland
(Church of Iceland),[14] Liechtenstein (Roman Catholic Church),[15]
Malta (Roman Catholic Church),[16] Monaco (Roman Catholic Church),[17]
Norway (Church of Norway),[18] Vatican City (Roman Catholic Church)
[19].
The first nations that adopted Christianity were:
Armenia (301 AD)
Georgia (319)
Ethiopia (including Eritrea) (325)
Roman Empire (380)
DownUnder
Interesting to read your post.
Just wonder... koj puas yog ib tug Pastor?
Los..koj yog ib tus ntseeg txog VajTswv xwb?
Nyeem koj cov ntawm mas yam li koj tseem muaj ntsi tsis nkag siab zoo
txog VajTswv thiab "Ntuj Teb".
Tsis nkag siab zoo tias qhov koj hus ua VajTswv no yog Yesus?
Or VajTswv yog FuabTais Ntuj?
Tejzaum koj yuav tau mus nyeem Savina phau ntawv hais txog Histoire
des Miao... nws piav txog kev ntseeg - history of religion thiab Hmoob
tej kev Ntseeg..
Nws hais tias Hmoob tej kev ntseeg (Hmong cosmology) ces yeej zoo li
Christian tej Bible... esp.. thawj chapter haus Genesis!
du
cwjmem
He he he... Yawgnomdub!!!
Let him receive reward in Hell. What he told us in the Hmong story of
creation is what Hmong believe it. He told us why the Rooter crows in
the early morning (hu nian nkauj hnub tuaj), it crows around 3-4:30 PM
xa niam nkauj rov qab, thaum lub hnub tswm plaws tim boom ntuj nws loj
heev, tab tsis lig zuj zus mus siab zuj zuj lawm, these are the two
true example of facts that support his theory.
Liar? he he he...10-15% of your income to your have given to the
pastor, and the weekly contribution, could have gone to your kids'
college education that one day will change their lives, or take a good
vacation to reward you and your family.
Don't be a SUCKER, man...White man's religion is just a PYRAMID SCHEME
business where they sell you the idea of the message from god, and you
go out and recruit others to join you. This kind of religious
business is the most lucrative business of taking 10-15% + weekly
contribution to feed these idiots of a few that run this religious
organization. Only a fool will do such thing!!
cwjmem
Thanks, if you have the video conference in San Rafael, please place
it in youtube so everyone can see. I am sure that folks in Merced are
still actively participated in this Shaman conferrence.
cwjmem
Chia,
> Kuv pom ntaus tus Hmoob tsis ntseeg Vajtswv yeej paub hais tias muaj
> Vajtswv tsuas yog lawv tsis ntseeg Vajtswv lawm xwb. Qhov no twb vim
> yog Dab Ntxoog Nyoog los ntxias Adam thiab Eve noj tsob txiv es nkawd
> thiaj muaj kev txhaum lawm ces thiaj li ua rau peb tibneeg muaj kev
> txhaum thiab ncaim Vajtswv lawm. Txhua haivneeg hauv lub qab ntuj no
> yeej yog nkawd li xeeb leej xeeb ntxwv.
The purest form of human being is a newborn. What does he/she do to
label him/her as a sinner and needs to be baptized? Crying when he/she
is hungry is crime? Wakeup man!!!
>
> Kuv muab ib qho true example: 1) nej cov tsis ntseeg Vajtswv, thaum
> muaj ib qho xwm txheej los raug rau nej xws li tub sab nyiag nej li
> qoob loo tom liajteb tsis muaj neeg pom, thaum nej mus pom nej cov
> qoob ntawd tub sab twb muab nyiag tag ib co lawm nws ua rau mob nej
> siab heev nej yeej yuav tsum yws los cem tias peb txawm tsis pom los
> yeej muaj Ntuj pom( Ntuj ces yog Vajtswv ntag) nej yeej tsis hais tias
> muaj dab pom ib zaug li thiab 2) yog muaj ib tug nom tswv los yog ib
> pab neeg twg ua tsis ncaj rau nej lawm, tab sis nej tsis muaj lub peev
> xwm hais tau lawv nej yeej hais tias peb tsis tau ua li nej hais nej
> txawm ua li rau peb los yeej muaj Ntuj pom. Tej lus no twb yog nej
> hais txog Vajtswv yog tus pab nej pom tej teebmeem ua nej raug ntawd
> ntag.
God = Puj saub thiab yawm saub, tswv ntuj (yog puj saub thiab yawm
saub) Vajtswv = makeup Hmong word, no such thing mention in Hmong
word. Vaj = garden, tswv = owner, translate a GARDEN OWNER, or
Vaj(fuabtais) = king, Vajtswv= King owern, Only king can own his
servants, no man can own a king. DO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE IN HMONG!!
>
> Cov neeg tawv tawv thiab thuam Vajtswv mob mob mas tus ntawd yuav los
> ntseeg Vajtswv tsis ntev. Tswv Yexus yeej yog txojkev thiab tus key
> qhib Ntujceeb Tsheej, yog nej tsis los ntawd Tswv Yexus nej yeej tsis
> muaj tus yuav mus txog Ntujceeb Tsheej ib zaug li. Kuv qhia tseeb rau
> nej tias nej tej degree nej kawm tau BA, MA, Dr. thiab kev ua nom ua
> tswv yeej tsis muaj power los tawm tsam yeej Dab kiag li, tseev koj
> yog ib tug zoo txiv neej yawg los thaum muaj ib tug dab los tsog tsuam
> kiag koj lawm xwb ces ib cev yeej tuag tag ua twb tsis tau pa. Koj
> ntseeg Vajtswv es koj lub siab xav tias Vajtswv pab kuv tawm tsam kom
> tus Dab ntawd tawm ntawd kuv mus, tam sim ntawd tus Dab ntawv yeej cia
> li tawm lawm. Tab sis yog koj hais tias kuv yog kawm tau Dr. los yog
> kuv yog tus nom nyob lub position no kom tus Dab no tawd Dab yeej tsis
> tawm ntawd koj hlo li. Tswv Yexus thiaj yog peb tus cawm seeb tseeb
> xwb nws tsis muaj lwm tus Tswv lawm.
Yog lawm Chia. Yuav tau QHUAS QHUAS JESUS thiab nej tus
vajtswv(garden owner) zam tau txim rau ob tug neeg QHEV zov nws lub
vaj loog. Tus Vajtswv no mas QIA DUB heev, ob niam txiv no (adam and
eve) muab ib lub txiv de no xwb twb tsis yog muab nkawv NCAWS tawm
xwb, tseem FOOM rau nkawv kom KAUM mus ntxiv thiab.
Tej txiv ntawm los yog PUJ SAUB thiab YAWM SAUB (ntuj, tswv ntuj) tsim
tawm los yug noob neeg, thiab tsiaj noj nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj teb.
Tsuas yog nej tus vajtswv (tus TSWV lub vaj txiv ntawm thiaj li rau
txim rau Adam thiab Eve xwb). Yog Puj saub thiab yawm saub paub mas
nws tseem yuav rau txim rau tus TSWV vaj no thiab vim nkawv yog ob tug
tsim cov txiv no los yug noob neej nyob rau ntiaj teb.
The bottom line is your are the PASTOR and that is your job to lie to
your congregation to make a living out of their contribution...I don't
blame you for what you are doing. Keep on praying and hope Jesus can
GRANT you a passport to heaven. Good luck, he he he he...Oh, txhoob
lam tau lam tham nrog luag POJ NIAM ib leeg nyob rau tom Church nawb,
ntuj yeej muaj qhov muag ov..Fah mee tah der, bam laiv!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMtPJoW4OM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJrRd5B8VYI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiTywvssPeQ&feature=related
chia
Kuv clarify txog Yexus, Vajtswv Ntuj, Vajntsuj Nplig rau koj paub me
ntsis, vim koj to taub yuav kev Yexus thiab Vajtswv Ntuj lawm. Kuv
yog ib tug ntseeg Vajtswv yog kuv tsis paub txog Vajtswv thiab Yexus
ces kuv yeej tsis muaj cuab kav yuav hais lus ntsig txog peb tus "Tswv
Yexus rau koj. Tej npau ntawv koj hais ntawd nws tsis yog Vajtswv
npau kuv yuav tsis mus nyeem, kuv tsuav nyeem Vajtswv npau ntawd peb
Hmoob hu ua Vajluskub(Bible) no xwb.
Yexus yog Vajtswv Ntuj(Huabtais Ntuj), Vajtswv Ntuj los yog Yexus
thiab tus Vajntsuj Nplig ua peb thov es nws los pab peb los nws yeej
yog Yexus thiab Vajtswv Ntuj. Thaum Vajtswv Ntuj nws muab nws lub
fwjchim tso rau saum ntuj lawm nws tig los yug ua neeg nws yog Yexus,
nws txo nws lub fwjchim los tuag theej peb noob neej lub txoj, tom qab
nws tuag tau 3 hnub es nws mam sawv rov los yog nws kov yeej txojkev
tuag nws mam li mus saum ntuj nws rov tsa nws lub fwjchim mus ua
Vajtswv Ntuj.
Chia
DownUnder
Ua cas koj ho hais tau txawv ua luaj lawm... Koj hais tias "Yexus yog
Vajtswv Ntuj(Huabtais Ntuj), Vajtswv Ntuj los yog Yexus....". Puas yog
li koj hais mad?
Raws li sawvdaws paub mas Yexus yog HuabTais Ntuj tus TUB.= the Son of
God.
HuabTais Ntuj (God) mas yog Yexus txiv...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMtPJoW4OM&feature=relatedhttp://www....
Yaj Tshaj Koob
Hi every one,
I want to know how to write correct in English, can some one teach me
how to write please?
YTK
Born2beMhong
so you meant to tell us that i'm rights all along....LOLz!
take a good looks once again...smiles!
"To follow the lead on religion debated, here are some of told
stories...! As you may have known, traditional and cultural ritual as
Hmong were found way b4 both the Buddha & Christian religion. As for
Buddha’s religion, it was found way b4 any other dominantly religion
on earth. It’s ideal was created to be an idle less religious, such
that Monks were standing still or sat in the temple (holding onto
their pots or pans) and waiting for the community and/or the common
people to go there to serve and/or give them food, to feed them every
day.
What is more, then the Christian, in the western atmosphere, came
along, and so as others religion in the west were created. These
genius people in the west came to the ideal of Christian religion,
such that they think that they were far more cleverer than the
Buddha's Monks; therefore, these so called Christian gods had these
fabulous ideas that they thought that instead of being sat idle less
waiting for their food, as people would to bring food and feed them.
These Christians would make sure that people will be bringing money
for them to use instead, and that was the very reason why Christian
were born, as a newly created religion in the west. Even the peasants
and servants of the poor would also bring money to their own masters
and those smarter people to use, for the very reason of Jesus-God
itself. These genius and brilliant master mind people know exactly
where to dig their pot of gold. However, in the eastern part of the
world, people would bring food to feed those monks, and then in the
western part of the world, people like you and I would bring money
and/
or pay 1/10 of our family (individual) income for the pastor, priest,
and church to spend freely...LOL!
After all, both the Buddha and Christian religions were just the most
genius marketing tools, ideas, and strategies that men made. It
benefits those whom will be getting the most customers based
(members)--that's why these churches were heavily recruiting their
members, as one is doing in the business’ world. The more members
(clients) you have the more profits you would make, and it is in a
similarity to those pyramids marketing tool strategies that we see
nowadays. The more you can recruit your memberships to worship and/
or
buying power in your church, business, or temple; the more food and/
or
money you will make, or collect.... such a clever idea in these two
religious, to con mankind...LOL! "
Born2beHmong
Plum Vainqueur
discount them. You can.
cwjmem
Yes, Christian folks learned from the Buddhist monks. Being a
Buddhist monks, Priests, or Pastors are being taken care by its
followers..food, money, cars, medical care etc.
The more members they have the more money flow in. More churches and
temples are built. These priests/pastors give away used pots and
pans, and left over foods for the needy and they expect the needy
people to pay for them in return. It is a lucrative religious
business that make billions of dollars out of the disparate, hopeless,
helpless people who need god on their sides. Asking for god's help is
still in question???
I remembered when Hmong refugees got to this country in the late 1970
and early 1980, Mormon took that opportunity, sent their recruiters to
Hmong households, ask them for what Hmong needed it. After the needed
list was made, then a few days later, a truck loaded with used pots,
pants, blankets, bed etc. were delivered at the hmong residents. Like
the Army song "they said the army is so fine, they gave you $100 and
take back 99", Christians is doing worse than that, they gave you the
used clothes, pots and pans, and expect you to give them back 10-15%
of your annual income for life time.
I think I will stay with my own "HMONG WAY OF LIFE" (Poj ua tseg yawm
ua cia), when I don't feel well, I call the SHAMAN, Hmong herbalists,
and medical doctor. I am concentrate on my living health, take care
of our dead ones, and ask our dead relatives to protect me spiritually
when I need it. I only called a shaman twice since I was in US
(nearly 30 yrs, not because I am sick, but because I wanted a
protection spiritually while I was going to travel oversea, which cost
two pigs, a few chickens, many papers for the Ua neeb kho (less than
$500).
DownUnder
Lost Years Of Jesus".... the book is about what Jesus' traveled to the
Far East as far as India, Tibet to spent time with the Buddhist Monks
before he return home ... to launched Christianity.
It is well known that in the history of Jesus, there is a gap in his
life that Jesus early life...from his teens to early 20's... when he
seemed to disappeared... then re-appear in his mid-20's.
I haven't read the book but I was told by that reader that the book
covered some good evidence about Jesus' time in the Far East and that
Jesus was influenced by Buddhism... hence there are similarity with
his Christianity.
DownUnder
But when I was in Merced in Feb., the Merced shamans were discussing
about attending the Conference but I have not heard anything since
then.. So.. I am not sure if there is any one from the Merced group
attending this year conference.
\
Mouatony
Ua caag tuaj nyob roojteb nuav tau ntau xyoo es tseem has tej lug le
cov nam Moob nyob peg roob Phuv xev mas. Koj moog saib hab noog Dr.
Shoua Yang cov speech, COHR, saib nwg has le caag. Txawm yog Xamxana
Yexus, Buddha, Mohamad los tsuav yog ib yaam Xamxana kws muaj ntaub
muaj ntawv, The Principle of Believing, rua S/D kawm xwb nawb. Vim
txhua yaam Xamxana mas puav leej qhas kev ua zoo xwb tabsi tej tug XF.
muab interprete yuam kev lawm xwb. Moob tsi muaj ib tug Xamxana kws
sau ua ib phau ntawv lug qhas Moob le as, koj puas nrhav tau phau
ntawv ntawd mas?. Koj twb yog ib tug Engineer ne, yog tsi muaj cov
blue print lug qhas koj thaum koj taab tom kawm se kuv xaav tas koj
yeej kwv yees ua tsi tau ib lub tsev los yog ib txuj kev zoo rua peb S/
D taug hab nyob. Moob le xua dlub ua tej miv tsev nqeeb, tsev nthaiv,
tsev vuag nyob xwb, ua tsi muaj blue print le ce kawg 3-4-5 xyoo xwb
pob taag lawm. Kuv qhov topic kws 35 xyoo Moob tuaj nyob roojteb nuav
Moob ua tau dlaab tsi txawm yog qhov kws cost you only $500.00 to have
a Shaman to chant to protect you spiritually while you were going
oversea xwb. Kuv tseem has ntxiv tas Moob nyob lub tebchaw Lostsuas
tau 150 xyoo Moob ua tau ib yaam dlaab, MEMORIAL STATUS, tsi tso tseg
tsua tej xeeb leej xeeb ntxwv saib nyob nrov tom qaab, NONE. Angkok
Wat puas yog Moob puab tseg? Thatluang puas yog Moob puab tseg?. Xaav
le nuav xwb ce txau tusab vim koj $500.00 cost too much for Moob lub
neej lawm. Xob tusab kuv has tau sab ib ntsiv hab caaj caaj le tabsi
wb sib paub zoo-o ce nyaj koj yuav think go think come xwb es maam
has.
Thanks,
MT
Suabnoog
brushoff
Jesus, you ruin the hmong holliest day.
lha
> Chia...
>
> Ua cas koj ho hais tau txawv ua luaj lawm... Koj hais tias "Yexus yog
> Vajtswv Ntuj(Huabtais Ntuj), Vajtswv Ntuj los yog Yexus....". Puas yog
> li koj hais mad?
>
> Raws li sawvdaws paub mas Yexus yog HuabTais Ntuj tus TUB.= the Son of
> God.
DU,
Chia hais yog lawm. Saib nyob rau hauv John 1:1-18. Qhov no yuav qhia
rau koj haistias Yexus yog leejtwg. The Word = God, Jesus = Word, God
= Jesus. Zoo li koj tseem tsis tau paub txog Christianity txoj kev
ntseeg zoo. Ib qhov ntxiv qhia rau koj yog The Trinity. God The
Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit. Thaum twg koj totaub
qhov no lawm mas koj thiaj yuav paub haistias Yexus yog leejtwg.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all
things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4
In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The
light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a
witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all
might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a
witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the
world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through
him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his
own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive
him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become
children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human
decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen
his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the
Father, full of grace and truth.
lha
DownUnder
> lha
Even though I am not a Christian but I went to Xtian school andlived
with Xtian families.. and I did my share of Bible study,
attending church services ect...
The way i understood is that GOD, in the strict sense, is not Jesus
Christ...
Let's consider few of these statements that I copy & paste below:
Jesus Christ is kown as the Son of God ( Luke 1:34–35):
Luke tells of the Annunciation:
“How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power
of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will
be called the Son of God.”
Most Christians believe that God is spirit, an uncreated, omnipotent,
and eternal being, the creator and sustainer of all things, who works
the redemption of the world through his Son, Jesus Christ. With this
background, belief in the divinity of Christ and the Holy Spirit is
expressed as the doctrine of the Holy Trinity,[4] which describes the
single Divine substance existing as three distinct and inseparable
persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ the eternal Word), and the
Holy Spirit.[1 Jn 5:7 ] (see more below).
The CONFUSION is that in Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity
states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally,
as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son
(incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit (or Holy
Ghost)....
So, is this MEANS that Xtian only have ONE God??
For the Hmong...
God= HuabTais Ntuj...but here are many Gods - not just one God!...
this is what the Hmong believe.
Hmong are pantheism...who believe in the existence of many Gods,
spirits, souls and shamanism. As for God, Pantheism holds that God is
the universe and the universe is God, whereas Panentheism holds that
God contains, but is not identical to, the Universe; the distinctions
between the two are subtle. It is also the view of the Liberal
Catholic Church, Theosophy, some views of Hinduism except Vaishnavism
which believes in panentheism, Sikhism, some divisions of Neopaganism
and Taoism, along with many varying denominations and individuals
within denominations. Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism, paints a pantheistic/
panentheistic view of God — which has wide acceptance in Hasidic
Judaism, particularly from their founder The Baal Shem Tov — but only
as an addition to the Jewish view of a personal god, not in the
original pantheistic sense that denies or limits persona to God.
As of 2000, approximately 53% of the world's population identifies
with one of the three primary Abrahamic religions (33% Christian, 20%
Islam, <1% Judaism), 6% with Buddhism, 13% with Hinduism, 6% with
traditional Chinese religion, 7% with various other religions, and
less than 15% as non-religious.
***Most of these religious beliefs involve a god or gods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God
So, HOW this belief in Gods by all other religions DIFFER from the
Xtian believe in God??? Are there many Gods or is there just One God
as Xtian's trinitarian believe?
So...can you enlighten us more..??
du
Here are further text for consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Christianity
The divinity of Jesus Christ and his position as God in Christianity
as set forth in the Chalcedonian Creed, stems from the opening of the
Gospel of John, commonly translated into English as: "In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"; in the
original Greek, Logos (λόγος) is used for "Word". This is the
conception that the Christ is the Logos (λóγος, the Greek for "word",
"discourse" or "reason"). It is the most important difference from its
originating religion, Judaism, which vehemently rejects the concept
that God is man.
God is understood by Christians, trinitarian in belief, as God the
Father, God the Son, and Holy Spirit; an infinite Godhead of three
distinct persons who is both within and beyond nature. Because the
persons of the Trinity represent a personal relation even on the level
of God to himself, he is represented by all Christian denominations to
be personal both in his immanence (in his personal relation toward us)
and in his transcendence (in his personal relation toward himself).
[citation needed] Less commonly, nontrinitarian theologies exist in
various denominations which define the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Spirit differently. Incidentally, Nontrinitarianism is persecuted
nearly to extinction, its books burned and its beliefs maligned as
heresy by the Church and the Roman Inquisition.[citation needed]
The Christian Bible never speaks of God in an impersonal sense.
Instead, it refers to him in personal terms—as one who is, who speaks,
who sees, hears, acts, and loves. God is understood to have a will and
personality and is an all powerful, divine and benevolent being. He is
represented in Scripture as being primarily concerned with people and
their salvation.[1]
In the Christian religion, one other definition of God is the eternal
being that created and preserves the universe. God is believed by most
Christians[citation needed] to be immanent (meaning that he is with
and within all things), while others believe the plan of redemption in
scriptures show he will be immanent later as seen in 1 Corinthians
15:28, Colossians 1:19-20, and Ephesians 1:10. Most Christians,
trinitarian in faith, believe he is also transcendent (meaning that he
is outside space and time, and therefore eternal and unable to be
changed by forces within the universe),[2] based on the New Testament
only though God the Son, a Jewish God-man called Jesus, was on earth
during his Ministry and will return to earth in the Second Coming of
Christ, to fulfill his commitments as the Christian Messiah.
God is usually held to have the properties of holiness (separate from
sin and incorruptible), justice (fair, right, and true in all his
judgments), omnipotence (all powerful), omniscience (all-knowing),
omnibenevolence (all-loving), omnipresence (everywhere present) and
immortality (eternal and everlasting).
In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one
being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling
of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of
Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost). Since earliest
Christianity, one's salvation has been very closely related to the
concept of a triune God, although the Trinitarian doctrine was not
formalized until the 4th century. At that time the bishops of the
Christian Church, which had been recently legalised by Emperor
Constantine, held the Council of Nicea and formalized the Trinitarian
doctrine.
Most Christians believe that God is spirit, an uncreated, omnipotent,
and eternal being, the creator and sustainer of all things, who works
the redemption of the world through his Son, Jesus Christ[citation
needed]. With this background, belief in the divinity of Christ and
the Holy Spirit is expressed as the doctrine of the Holy Trinity,[4]
which describes the single Divine substance existing as three distinct
and inseparable persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ the eternal
Word), and the Holy Spirit.[1 Jn 5:7 ]
Ya
Yuav has le caag, yuav has ua phaab ua pheev, yuav txawj has npaum
caag, los yog peb lug pav txug religion lawm tes, peb zoo le cov nam
dlev sis tug. Kuv tau nrug ib tug pastor thaam yaav taag lug, tes tug
xibfwb txawm has muaj ntsiv saib tsi taug kuv...nwg xij has tas peb
cov coj kevcai moob tes yog teev ntxwj nyoog xwb...kuv txhaj le teb
nwg tas moob ib sim neej yeej tsi teev ntxwj nyoog...temsis puab hawm
yawmsaub...hu yawm saub lug paab...hab fiv yawmsaub...has txug kev
teev, tes peb teev namtxiv hab dlaabqhua xwb...tes tug pastor txawm
has tas, es yog le thaum twg sivyig maam rov lug... kuv txhaj tau teb
nwg tas, moob kev ntseeg tes sivyig tsi lug lawm....TEMSIS YOG MMUAJ
IB NUB TWG YOG YEXUS ROV LUG, TES SIVYIG YAUV YOG TUG COJ YEXUS KEV
LUG...HAB 2TUG YUAV LUG UAKE...tug paster ho tsi paub tas kuv tua nyuj
rua nwg aub xwb...nwg xij has ntxiv moog....
cov phoojywg, ua neej nyob rua lub ntuj yeeg yis nuav, tuabneeg los
yuav txawj ua yeeg ua yis hab...yauv txawj hloov, yuav txawj phlis,
txhaj le ua tau ib tsob...temsis qhov tseem ceeb tshaaj plawg, xob nov
qaab txuj kev ua neej xwb...xob siv tej kev ntseeg nuav lug cais paab
pawg, lug yuam paab pawg, hab lug tsim txom tuabneej.
if you look into the bible, or any other religion, we do see that
logic will not exist anywhere in those places....that's why we call it
"kev ntseeg" or "faith." our faith is what we make of...peb tas zoo
tes zoo xwb, peb tas quav dev ces quav dev xwb....the idea of "walking
on water, following the northern light, ressurection, virgin birth,
etc.."....all these things are found in other books/stories even
before jesus' time (hince...jesus was a copy). even the practice of a
christmas tree is from the practice of Saturnalia--a nonchristain
practice....BUT CHRISTIANS ABSORB THEM AND MADE IT INTO THEIR OWN...
we could choose to call jesus a basterd kid or a rebel or a god...we
could choose to call sivyig a demon or a savior or a laocoon...we
could call buddha a pest or a wiseman....but the important thing is,
peb ntseeg dabtsi los peb ntseeg los ua neej kom yus zoo xwb...if we
loose this purpose, then we will loose our god.
Neej Yag
laophuan
Nazareth, Galilee (modern critical scholarship)[2]
Died 30–36 AD/CE[3][4][5][6][7]
Calvary, Judaea, Roman Empire (according to the New Testament, he rose
on the third day after his death.)
Cause of death Crucifixion
Resting place Traditionally and temporarily, a garden tomb in
Jerusalem[8]
Nationality Israelite
Ethnicity Jewish
Home town Nazareth, Galilee, Roman Empire
Religion Judaism
Parents Father: God (Christian view)
virginal conception (Islamic view)
Mother: Saint Mary
Adoptive father: Saint Joseph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
lha
>
> So, is this MEANS that Xtian only have ONE God??
>
>
> Xtian believe in God??? Are there many Gods or is there just One God
> as Xtian's trinitarian believe?
>
> So...can you enlighten us more..??
>
> du
personalities, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
Look at Genesis 1:26 " Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our
image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea
and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,
[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Notice the word "LET US..." He didnt say LET ME, did he? US = The
Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit.
Here are some examples that may help you understand the Trinity - God
The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
1. Looking at the egg, there's only one but inside of it there are 3
layers, the yoke, the egg white and the shell.
2. Using TIME as the Trinity. Time is past, present and future =
Oneness.
3. Using the SUN as the Trinity. The SUN = The Father, its Rays = The
Son, its warmth = The Holy Spirit.
Being with Christians or attending church weekly doesn't mean you're a
genuine Christian. At least, not until you have confessed your sins,
accept Christ as your personal Savior and the Holy Spirit dwells in
you, you will never experience God's love in your life. This is the
biggest difference between Christianity and other religions. When the
Holy Spirit is in you, that's when your life starts to change. Your
perpectives, thinking, ideas, goals, personality, etc...
This is why non-christians don't understand when Christians do or
don't do certain things after they accepted Christ. They think
Christiasn are crazy, practicing segregation, etc...
lha
Ya
christians are crazy, not because they accpeted christ... you are
crazy because you seem to think that i will be in hell because i am
not a believer of the bible god. whenever you impose your belief onto
others, hatred, segrationi, and/or war will emerge. even a fool will
know this.
cwjmem
yog kuv yog ib tug pastor li koj mas kuv tseem hais muaj KUAB tshaj
koj nav!!! Yeem hais muaj ceem mas hmoob yim tuaj koj lub church coob
nawb. Koj saib lub Church quaj taug ntawmtub nrov nrov tau ib ntus,
es tsawm ntsiag to lawm. Tam sis no tsis hnov yawg xf ntawm moo li
lawm.
Kuv yog ib tug pastor es mus kawm ntawv tau 4 -6 xyoo kawm los ntsias
(tsev kawm ntawv qhia ntsias neeg noj)cov neeg pluag, neeg twm zeej,
neeg tu caj ces, poj nrauj, mkauj fa, tub ntsoi, ntxhais ntsuag mas
kuv yeej yuav hais kiag kom cuag li lub ntuj yuav poob ntag mas thiaj
yuav tau neeg coob nawb. Yeem tuaj coob ces kuv lub church yeem muaj
nyiaj, yeem muaj POWER xwb tiag. Easy MONEY nav!!!
Koj saib meb, yawg Meka uas hais tias lub ntuj yuav tawg rau thaum lub
5-21-2011 no hais mas tsis yog cov Meka nyob rau teb chaws no xwb mus
kev cia siab tias yuav tau mus saum ntuj ceeb tsheej, peb cov Jmoob
nyob rau Nyablaj los twb cia siab kawg li tiag. Lub family radio no
mas muaj nyiaj txog hundred millions of dollars lawm xwb tiag. Tom qab
ntawm, Hmoob Vietnam tau raug tua coob leej, hos cov nyob rau teb
chaws Meka no los poob tsev lawm ib nrab, hos yawm Harold Camping
ntawm ntuj twb muab rau txim UA NEEJ LOS TSIS MUAJ LEEJ TWG HWM, UA
DAB LOS DAB TSIS YUAV, VAJTSWV LOS TSIS ISSUE HEAVENLY PASSPORT RAU
NWS (mob stroke lawm, yuav tuag los tsis tuag kiag mus, hos yuav ciaj
los tsis ciaj kiag), tseem yuav nkim peb cov TAX (medicaid) los them
nws tej nuj nqe thiab, tam tseeb laud, yuad!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/21/harold-camping-family-radio_n_865134.html
DownUnder
there is there is "only one God. One God exists in three distinct
personalities, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit". - I have
mentioned that in the Trinity section in my previous post.
What I am asking about is what Chia was saying earlier and now you are
saying similar thing that there is only ONE GOD and GOD = Yesus.
Hence, I asked the question, HOW this belief in God by Xtians explain
the BELIEF of the 3/4 of the world population who are also believe in
GOD(S).
How all other religions DIFFER from the Xtian believe in God eg. The
Hmong believe in God - Faibtais Ntuj who create heaven & Earth and
everything in this world and in the Universe??? How is the Xtian GOD
differs from all other Gods? Are there many Gods or is there just One
DU
lha
serious and really want to know the answers to your questions, you can
find them easily. With wisdom and knowledge such as you are, why not
digging into the net and find the answers yourself? This doesn’t
mean that I can’t provide you the answers; it just means that you’re
serious for what you’re looking for.
Ya,
I hope you’re listening to yourself and seek the truth. I mean listen
carefully to what you just said. You’re basically talking to
yourself. It is not the Christians that are saying this to you, but
the word of God. Christians only reiterated what the Bible teaches
them. If you’re not happy don’t get defensive but do your own
research from the Bible and use that as your advantage. Let me ask
you a simple question. If one of your sons keeps on ignoring your
instructions over and over again, what would you do? Wouldn’t you be
angry? Wouldn’t you warn him of his consequences? Of course, you
would. So it’s the same for God, the Father, who created you and me.
Hope you get the point.
Cwjmem,
Your cup is always full. It will be a fool of me to try to fill it
up. Although, it seems you can’t even distinguish the difference
between Christians and non-Christians. This is where you’re lost.
lha
Ya
if you know anything about truth...then you should know taht no one
(neither you or i) heard god said anything...my words still hold true
on that it is the christains who say them...not god....maybe it is you
who should listen to my words and yoru words carefully.
and yes, if one of my sons doesn't listen to me, i would be angry, but
i do not condeme them to hell....that, my freind, is the difference
between you and i...
yaweh
Ya
xaiv...vim tias hnov xwb, tsi paub tseeb los muab cav puv zej puv zos,
cav rau txhua leejttxhia tus...thaum kawg...luag nug tias "es yog tus
twg hais kiag rua koj..." ces nws teb tias "yog tus no
hais"....HOWEVER, "TUS NO..." TSI TSI MUAJ NPE, TSI POM NWS YOG
LEEJTWG, TSI HNOV NWS HAIS LI...qhov tseeb yog hnov tus neeg nkawg
xaiv no hais xwb.
what Iha just said..."Christians only reiterated what the Bible
teaches
them.." is a perfect example of what lus nkawg xaiv is....i hear it,
you hear it, everyone hears it...at church...at work, at
gatherings...and especially at mong christian funerals where preachers
redicule nonbelievers that they will go to hell and that the
"christian" beleivers will be at a better place. thaum kawg ces hais
tias "the bible says so...", ignoring that twb yog tibneeg
hais...temsis muab nkawg xaiv rau tus u tus no ces thaum kawg yauv
hais li lha hais..."WRE ARE ONLY REITERATING WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS..."
the fact of the matter is, i have read what the bible says..temsis i
only read the bible 3 times..meaning that i have only heard it says 3
times,...but when it comes to the chrsitains, kuv lub pobntseg, yog
tias txawj to, ces twg tshab sab tod lawm, unfortunately, nws tsi
tshab vim i am a human being. at then end, neeg nkawg xaiv yuav tias
"i did not say it, the bible did..."
cwjmem
> Cwjmem,
>
> Your cup is always full. It will be a fool of me to try to fill it
> up. Although, it seems you can’t even distinguish the difference
> between Christians and non-Christians. This is where you’re lost.
>
> lha
difference between Christian and nonChristian. Bible is written by
men, and continue to revise by men and women to this day, and will
continue to do so as long as they can recruit more people to join
them.
Being pastor is lucrative career, mus gotta learn to convey your
religious propaganda effectively. Imagine, if you have 100 family,
annual contribution is 5K per family. You would live a nice house,
barbecue every Saturday, spend 500 dollars to buy new pots and pans
for the needy so they can join you. Not to bad, invest in 500 dollars
and get back 5K the residue per that family for life...Great
investment...that's why Mormon folks are sending their sons all over
the world to do so...but Hmong are smarter, after they got their
household items from the church, they quit going to church.
You need to come up with a better way to attract Hmong to your church,
may be you should find some way to make those Bar/night goers to
attend your church. These folks are the big spenders. A bible study
Friday night and Saturday night as the nights of Tua teeb. There are
many lost souls (devorcees/divorcers, broken hearts, loners, etc) will
come!!!
lha
> the fact of the matter is, i have read what the bible says..temsis i
> only read the bible 3 times..meaning that i have only heard it says 3
> times,...but when it comes to the chrsitains, kuv lub pobntseg, yog
> tias txawj to, ces twg tshab sab tod lawm, unfortunately, nws tsi
> tshab vim i am a human being. at then end, neeg nkawg xaiv yuav tias
> "i did not say it, the bible did..."
impressed, really, I’m. So, what does that make of you, after reading
the Bible 3 times? A Bible scholar? A theologian? Let me guess,
YOU ARE god. Isn’t that why you called yourself yaweh?
Cia kuv hais seb leejtwg you tus hais lus xaiv nawb…
Yog koj haistias koj tsis hais lus xaiv no, koj sim qhia kiag rau kuv
seb yog leejtwg kiag hais rau koj haistias cov tsis ntseeg Vajtswv
yuav go to hell no? Yog koj hais tsis tau ces koj ntag lauv yog tus
tab tom hais lus xaiv kom cov tsis paub Vajtswv ntseeg koj.
Kuv qhia tau rau koj haistias cov lus Christians hais yog los qhov twg
los thiab yog leejtwg cov lus, uas koj ne koj qhia kiag soj leejtwg
yog tus hais rau koj haistias koj yuav go to hell, hais hais es koj
lub pob ntseg twb yuav to qhov? Yog koj muab tsis tau tus neeg ntawv
lub npe los no ces txhais tau haistias koj yog ib tug neeg dag xwb,
pos yog?
cwjmem,
Thanks for the advice. You're the smartest & greatest!!
lha
Ya
no need to basterdize yourself anymore...for god so love the world,
that's why he gave you a brain...now use it.
instead of answering your question, i will challenge you to something
far better for you and me...to test yourself, and your righteousness.
the next time you hear a pastor or when you hear yoruself saying such
a thing...DO YOUSELF A FAVOR AND SLAP YOUR FACE OR SLAP THAT PASTOR
SILLY.
they do say that neeg nkawg xaiv yeej tsi leeg nwg cov lus...YOU JUST
SAID THAT YOU ARE REITERATING THE BIBLE, and now you want me to name
one person? SLAP YOURSELF SILLY bro.
lha
ears. If I could twist them, I would too.
Ua li cas koj hov qhia tsis tau haistias leejtwg kiag yog tus haistias
koj yuav go to hell? Neeg nkawg xaiv ces zoo li no ntag lauv. Hais
tau xwb tabsis prove tsis tau. Yog lam tim ntsej tim muag hais mas
kuv saib koj lub me ntsej muag mas ntse yuav hloov mus ua liab lub
lawm.
lha
Ya
kuv hlub koj ob lug niag qhov muag xwb os, npawg lem. but, didn't i
say i am offering you something better? what i'm offereing you is a
test of manhood and righteousness....too bad you are not man enough to
test it out. do you know what this mean? i'll let you figure it out.
Ya
muag twb tuag tag lawm ne...koj thiaj li tsi take my offer ne....
Ya
said it, but it is only a reiteration of the bible...now you're asking
me to name and point fingers....tejzaum koj ncauj zij lawm tiag pob,
es koj thiaj hais lus tom ntej tom qab li no pob? los yog koj npam
dabtsi es vajtswv muab lub txim "lem" rua koj na? ua neej nyob, hais
lus xob tom tom nplaig mas...
cwjmem
> cwjmem,
>
> Thanks for the advice. You're the smartest & greatest!!
>
> lha
ha ha ha ha ....I wish I am the the smartest and the greatest man of
all, but I am just a plain, down to earth, simple man that only use my
arms and feet to make living. To force any religious belief on others
is against my moral conscience and my principle. I am brought up/
given to Hmong people by god, Poj ua tseg yawm ua cia is what my
ancestors taught me the tradition and religious rites. Our Hmong
religion is the care taker of each of us. Our ancestors help us
spiritually, and we help our deceased ones physically (xyab ntawv),
and Siv Yis tso qhua neeb yaig (as medium to communicate/link us to
the spirit world). Everything Hmong is doing whether religious rites,
wedding, or celebration (newyear) is part of Hmong culture and has a
deep meaning behind it.
So, do what is the best to serve you and your family. If Christian
religion serves your need, then go for it, but Jesus does not the only
one that holds the key to heaven gate like many of christian people
claim. If it does not serve you, there are another 150+ religions
that you can choose from to worship. No one religion in this world is
better than the others. The true god seeker is the one that seeks god
by himself, not in the temples, mosque, church, or any institution
requires a large crowd to attend. Buddha was a good example for the
true god seeker. He had done it by himself, he was rewarded at the
end of 6 years.
So far the two religions that have the most money, powerful, and very
destructive from the start to the future are ISLAM and CHRISTIANS
(catholic, Protestants, Alliance etc,). They are the ones that have
killed people in the past, and continue to kill each others in the
future. They have made so many predictions in the past, and continue
to do so in the future. Those are smart, listen and laugh, Those are
dumb follow it and pay so much for the consequences, like May 21,
2011, and those die-hard Muslim that if you kill an enemy to defend an
Islam religion, there are 70 beautiful angels are waiting to marry you
at the heaven's gate,,,,
So lha, build a church tua teeb II and I will be the first one to
come, ha ha ha ha...