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Tam sim no tog ntxhais ho tuaj thov tog tub lawm

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kwvtijhmoob

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Sep 29, 2011, 8:12:23 AM9/29/11
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UPDATE ROOJ TSHOOB HNUB I---

rooj tshoob hnub i kuv nrog lawv mus mloog hais es tog ntxhais pheej
yuav kom tog tub los kho 2 cases unrelated qub qub thaum ub. tab sis
tog tub tsis pom zoo kho vim lawv tsis pom lawv qhov kev txhaum thiab
nws tsis yog cai muab coj los hais rau rooj tshoob tshiab no lawm.
lawv tog tub tsis kam kho es tog ntxhais ci li muab lawv tog tub ncaws
tawm khiav mus tsev lawm.

nag hmo lawv tog ntxhais, niam thiab txiv kiag ntawm tus ntxhais ho hu
rov tuaj rau tog tub tus coj tshoob coj kos, thov kom lawv tog tub rov
qab mus. niam thiab txiv ntawm tus ntxhais no hais rau tog tub tus
coj tshoob hais tias, zaum no mus txog mas nkawv tsis kom lawv tus
kwvtij coj tshoob tuaj ua txiv lus hais li lawm. nkawv 2 tug ua niam
ua txiv yog 2 tug hais kiag lawm xwb thiab nkawv yuav tsis kom them
nyiaj npaum ub npaum no li lawm. nyiaj ces tog tub muaj li cas muab
li ntawd xwb. yog ho tsis muab los thov kom pab nkawv 2 tug ua niam
ua txiv ua rooj mov xwb no.

nag hmo twb yog 10pm tog tub tus coj tshoob tseem hu tuaj qhia rau kuv
li ntawd thiab nug kuv tias seb kuv ho xav li cas thiab no. kuv tsuas
teb rau yawg tias, txhob maj... xyov luag hais dag los hais tiag.. cia
tos hnub puav
muaj dab tsi mam tham no xwb.

hmoob mas tsis sawm zoo li tiag.



surithay

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Sep 29, 2011, 11:04:56 AM9/29/11
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Kwvtij, hnub i kuv twb hais tias tog tub txi xwm kab zoo lawm no ne!
kuv nug koj me-e seb tam sim no tus ntxhais nyob tom niamtxiv tsev los
caum tus tub los rau tom nej tsev lawm! nej tus tub puas tseg taus
lawv tus ntxhais yog tseg tsis taus ces peb yog Hmoob neej Hmoob tsav
ua zoo rov mus sib hais kom tag ob tug menyuam thiaj lis zoo los pib
nkawv lub neej. Yog nej yeej tsis tshua xav yuav lawv tus ntxhais pes
sawg ces ua ntsej lag muag dig xwb los yeej tau kawg tabsis seb nej
hais puas tau nej tus tub. Raws kuv xav mas qhov zoo tshaj sawv daws
yuav tsum sib pab kom ob tug menyuam uas muaj kev sib hlub tau nyob
uake raws li nkawv tau npaj tseg. Yog koj nyiam-m thiab hlub-b ib tug
hluas nkauj es koj niam/txiv lawv txiav tu nrho tsis pub koj yuav, koj
puas chim thiab tu siab mus tag sim nej maj!

Hmong-Lao

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Sep 29, 2011, 11:10:38 AM9/29/11
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On Sep 29, 7:12 am, kwvtijhmoob <kwv...@aol.com> wrote:
PY Kwvtij,
Kuv yeej xav tseg hais tias lawv yeej yuav tso xov tuaj rau nej dua.
Hnub no luag tso xov tuaj lawm tiag, koj tseem yuav tos hnub puav li
cas thiab na. Kavtsij hu mus teem tshoob xwb los mas. Thaum luag thim
ib kaujruam lawm, yus yuav tau thaub ib kauj ruam thiab hos, kev neej
kev tsa thiaj li tsis tu nawb. Yus los tseem tshuav tshuav ntxhais
thiab, lawv los tseem tshuav tej tub zoo zoo nraug thiab. Tsam kaj
ntug tag kis yus tej ntxhais ho mus caum lawv tej tub lawm ne, lawv ho
tsis quav ntsej tuaj teem tshoob li no yus ho yuav xav li cas?

Koj mas ntshe yog lam ntxias phoojywg Born2 peb nce nthab xwb pob.
hahaha..... (jk)

HL

idonotknow

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Sep 29, 2011, 10:56:06 AM9/29/11
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tsam no vauv tsis mus ua tshoob coj tus ntxhais rov mus tsev tus ntxhais chim chim siav yuav tu. tsam no ces lawv kuj yeem kom ua tshoob nrawm nrawm kom tej no tiav kiag xwb. ntxhais yeej yog yug los tos tshoob xwb tsis yog yug los ua plaub na. tas los ob tog tsis sib haum los yog lawv cov laus thiab cov coj xwb. ob nyuag txij nkawm tshiab twb kam los lawm ntev. tsis yuav ces tsis ntsaw nyob lub nam nplaj teb sab phem li nuav lawm.

--idonotknow

vimhlub

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Sep 29, 2011, 11:45:17 AM9/29/11
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> tsam no vauv tsis mus ua tshoob coj tus ntxhais rov mus tsev tus ntxhais chim chim siav yuav tu. tsam no ces lawv kuj yeem kom ua tshoob nrawm nrawm kom tej no tiav kiag xwb. ntxhais yeej yog yug los tos tshoob xwb tsis yog yug los ua plaub na. tas los ob tog tsis sib haum los yog lawv cov laus thiab cov coj xwb. ob nyuag txij nkawm tshiab twb kam los lawm ntev. tsis yuav ces tsis ntsaw nyob lub nam nplaj teb sab phem li nuav lawm.
>
> --idonotknow

idonotknow es,

Tus ntxhais tsis yog niam txiv neeg lawm os. Cov niag tsov tom
"kwvtijhmoob" lawv twb muab tus ntxhais lwm qaib thiab lwm qab tag
lawm. Lawv twb muab tus ntxhais hu plig tag lawm ces txawm tus
ntxhais ciaj los yog lawv neeg, tuag los yog lawv dab lawm os.

Xyov lawv cov tsab-ntse ntawd nws xav nws li cas es nws cia li kam
muab lawv tus neeg pov tseg rau tom cov niag qhua (neej tsa) tsev
lawm? Yog tus ntxhais lam tuag ces kawg lawv raug vij sub vij sw
hnyav lau.

vimhlub

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Sep 29, 2011, 11:38:29 AM9/29/11
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kwvtij,

Dej hlob zoo dov cav lawm lau! Txog cai siv koj lub mav tais lawm
ntag laiv.

Cov niag ntsej muag ruam ntawm, tsis thab kiag ntag. Kav tsij hu
xovtooj rau xwb seb lawv puas yeem tuaj thov nej tso ntag nawb.

1. Nqi mis nqi noj tsis pub lawv sau lawm; Txawm lawv sau los neej
yeej yuav tsis them vim tej ntawd yog "stone age" dhau lawm;

2. Pluas mov niam txiv tog ntxhais yuav tsum ua kom tag (raws li
kevcai tiam 21 nov) -- lawv hmoo zoo heev yog tias nej tus tub kam mus
nrog lawv zaum rooj, lees yuav lawv tus ntxhais xwb os;

3. Yuav tsum phim cuam kom ntau vim nej tseem yuav coj lawv niag
ntxhais plab los ntim mov thiab cev los ntim tsoo;

4. Kom lawv pe nej thiab muab lawv nplua los hu nej plig thiab ntxuav
nej ntsej muag vim lawv tau ua tej yam "stone age" hem nej thiab rhuav
nej plhu dhau lawm;

5. Tsis mus tom lawv tsev lawm ntag vim lawv rhuav plhu dhau lawm.
Kom lawv nrhiav ib qho neutral place -- kom lawv xauj ib qho chaw
thiab yuav tsum ntiav tub ceev zov nej thiaj li yuav tsis muaj neeg ua
phem rau nej thaum nej mus nrog lawv tham ntawd.

Yog tham saum xovtooj li no es lawv tseem tsis yeem ua thiab ces, tsis
thu lab cov niag "stone age" neeg ntawd.

Make sure you document all these (in video, preferrably) so that Hmong
people can truly learn a lesson.

Nej heev tiag tiag. Yuav tau noj tiag lau!

Mouatony

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Sep 29, 2011, 12:07:33 PM9/29/11
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Ib tsoom phoojywg Moob,


Peb yuav tsum paub tas lub neej taamsim nuav yog cov ntxhais hu
xuvtooj hab tuaj nrug cov tub pw xwb es s/d, nam & txiv tog ntxhais,
tseem has ntau ce sau khaub naab xwb cov YAWM hab COV PUJ aw. Kev
txhum mas tag tag yuav tsum yog nam txiv tog ntxhais them tsua tog tub
nawb vim cov ntxhais yeej tuaj nrug cov tub pw xwb ne.

If it was a real story that is a good lesson for the Hmong to learn.

Thanks,

MT

surithay

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Sep 29, 2011, 12:28:46 PM9/29/11
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PY Vimhlub, koj txhob tua twm rau kwvtijhmoob cav thiab hais haib-b
rau kwvtij tsam yawg cia li mus lawm plog qab ntais tsis tuaj nrog nej
sib cav hauv no li Zab lawm nawb!

cwjmem

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Sep 29, 2011, 12:46:39 PM9/29/11
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Teg no laud, Niam tais yawm tciv yuav FOOB vauv ntag ho, yog nej tseem
tsis mus thiab nad, he he he he ....

lub caij no ces, DEJ HLOB ZOO DOV CAV LAWM NTAG HO, kaj tsij muab koj
lub tswv yim ua ua tshoob YOOJ YIM rau lawv nawb. Kom nej tus tub
leej niam thiab txiv mus nrog tus Ntxhais niam thiab txiv tham ces, ua
tshoob ntawm ntug cub xwb mas,,,,Li cas menyuam yaus ua tshoob ua si
thaum lawv tseem me me xwb tiag!! Ua loj los yuav tsis muaj cov yuav
tuaj nrog lawv noj, ces mus yuav kiag ob peb tug qaib ci tim Hmoob lub
khw los ces, tshuav tsuag tsuag, rau kiag mov no (noj niam txiv pluas
mov dej txiag) tag ces, tsa kiag sawv kev xwb tiag, tsis nyuaj thiab
tsis txhaum leej twg li os, he he he he ...

Born2beMhong

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Sep 29, 2011, 3:32:25 PM9/29/11
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kuv yeej xav lawm tias, Kwvtijhmoob tuaj tso pamthawj rau peb sibcam
xwb tiag....LOLz! tabsi, txawm li ntawd los yeej zoo rau peb los tso
kub sibthav li no me me kom pom pas ncho lug thiab....LOLz!

Kwvtijhmoob,

koj twb yog tus yuav kom ua yoojyooj8 no ned...tej niag tshoob kos no
yog ua kom zoo muab ob tug me nyuam sibtxis ua niamtxiv xwb naj. kom
mus rau niamtais yawmtxiv los zoo mus, mus rau tom pogyawg los zoo mus
xwb.

koj los txhob ua lub me siab nkaus cees li koj thiab...hahhahahaaha
LOLz!

qhov twg los kawg qhov zoo xwb, yog niamtxiv hus kiag tuaj li ntawd
lawm los...hais zoo zoo tias, tej tub tej ntxhais tsi muaj kev txhaum
tabsi. yog niamtxiv kam li ntawd lawm tiag--ces kom niam txiv npaj es
vauv li tuaj ua noj kom tej me nyuam zoo nyob ua ke thiab kom muaj
niam thiab txiv hus rau obtog tagnrho no xwb maj.

cas es nej cov kwvtijhmoob no es ib pliag siabzoo, ib pliag siabphem
li hmoob lawm thiab mas...

Born lawv se, yog yus hais tias zoo ces yeej zoo txhua lub sijhawm
ntag laid....smiles!

yog li no, txhob muab tej nyuag kev sibdig thiab siabhais dhau los
ntawd ua ib qhov chaw ntsimsiab thiab mobsiab nawb mog. yus yuav tsum
yuav txoj kev zoo xwb, viim yus yog ib tug neeg ua yuav ua los hlub
hmoob tiag tiag thiab kho kom hmoob ib hnub zoo zujzus lawm lub neej
tagkhi laiv.

tos kuv hais kuv cov PY SCHers no txhua tus, vim zoo li coob tus tseem
coj lub siab tis tis---ces txog lub caij nws tau kos ces nws txawm
yuav ua nrovthawv tuaj thiab ntag--tsi yog xyaum ua zoo li Born txoj
kev xav thiab npau suav li ned.

yog li, mloog Born lus thiab es ua twb zoo mus pab muab ob tug me tub
me nyuam no sibtxi ua niamtxiv nawb mog.

Born

Vaj Ncuab

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Sep 30, 2011, 6:55:31 AM9/30/11
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Kwvtijhmoob;


Yog Hmoob yuav Hmoob ces yuav hais li cas los tau, peb Hmoob
California yog cov muab tub ntxhais ua luam, sau nqi tshoob kim tshaj
thiab tsis siv Hmoob 18 Xeem Minnesota lus txhooj. Yawgloj peb
khabnab los tib yam. Xyoo 1982 Hmoob sablaj loj nyob University of
Minnesota thiab muaj 202 tug sawv cev tuaj koom. Yawgloj xaj Hmoob
pub xwb txhob sau nyiaj, 200 tug pom zoo, 2 tug tsis pom zoo. Tom qab
rooj sablaj tag tsis ntev, Maj. Txawj Tsab Vaj (GVP security chief)
uas yog peb khabnab tus ntxhais yuav txiv, Txawj Tsab sau kiag $2,000,
yawgloj hais tsis tau Txawj Tsab Vaj ces tus txooj uas yawgloj tsa
tuag kiag. Thaum ntawd (1982) peb cov Hmoob California sau nqi tshoob
$1,000, ho Hmoob qaumteb (Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois,
Indiana, Ohio & Michigan sau $800 xwb.

Thaum 1985 - 86 Paj Txhim Lis Nyiajvws (Tseemyeej tijlaug) ib tug tub
yuav peb ib tug ntxhai, kuv los nce tuaj koom thiab. Thaum hais
tshoob mas peb cov Vaj (peb khabnab Neo Hom) cem tog Hmoob Lis kawg
(cem noob Paj Tsab, cem noob Lis Teck) kawg siab kawg ntsws, kawg tus
txiv tuam mej koob tog vauv (Capt. Txoov Tuam Yaj or Txoov Tuam Xaiv
Mos) teb khiag niamtxiv tog ntxhais hais tias, tshoob kos yog tshoob
kos, kan mouang yog kan mouang thov txhob muab kan mouang txuam. Yog
nej (niamtxiv tog ntxhais) tsis xav hais tshoob ces peb tog nraugvauv
yuav khiav rov mus tsev, thaum kawg tus coj ntawm peb khabnab xeem Vaj
cem txhaum mas tig los hais tshoob.

Hais tshoob tag Paj Txhim Lisnyiajvws tu siab kawg, yawg yuav khiav
los California, tab si yawg tus ntxhai yuav txiv (Yang Yia) es yawf
thiaj lam nyob raws yawg tus vauv. Xav los txog peb khabnab lub siab
tseem nqaim os cov yawg.


Vajncuab

kwvtijhmoob

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Sep 30, 2011, 8:37:12 AM9/30/11
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cov yawg-- yog yuav hais raws kev chim mas tog ntxhais yuav tsum tau
nqa 12 lag nyiaj tuaj kho tog tub qhov uas lawv tau muab tog tub
kicket out tag tso mas tog tub mam rov mus, tab sis tog tub kuj ho
yuav tsis phem npaum li tog ntxhais tau ua rau lawv thiab. tog tub
mas luag tsuas xyuas qhov kom raws kev cai xwb.

raws taug me ntsis thiab hnov ces case no lawv coj kwvtij cov paub tab
thiab tus puav cov txheeb ze xws li (dab laug thiab tej yawm laus) tau
muab nkawv 2 niam txiv thiab lawv tus kwvtij uas hnub ntawd tuaj ua
tus txiv coj lus tsawm nyhav kawg vim lawv ua tsis raug cai rau tog
tub lawm. txawm li cas los tog tub yeej to taub zoo tias tim yog niam
txiv thiab lawv tus coj lus tsis paub tab xwb.

tab sis tam sim no ces zoo li tus tub pauv siab tsis kam yuav tus
ntxhais lawm vim tus ntxhais niam thiab txiv tau muab tus tub chem
nyhav heev tom qab lawv tawm los lawm. tus tub tu siab thiab txiav
txim siab tsis yuav lawm no sub. yog thaum zoo li no lawm no ces nyaj
yuav nyhav rau xyom cuab tog lawm xwb lauv.

vimhlub

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Sep 30, 2011, 11:40:26 AM9/30/11
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>tab sis tam sim no ces zoo li tus tub pauv siab tsis kam yuav tus
>ntxhais lawm vim tus ntxhais niam thiab txiv tau muab tus tub chem
>nyhav heev tom qab lawv tawm los lawm. tus tub tu siab thiab txiav
>txim siab tsis yuav lawm no sub.

Nes nes nes, yeej paub lawm tias tog tub mas yeej tsis yog txiv neej
yawg rooj tshooj thiaj li plam thaum ntej no. Tsam no luag twb yuav
pe yus ntag los tseem yeb qhov tias "nej ua rau peb tu siab lawm ces
peb tsis nav nej lawm os" no thiab. Puas yog xav tau kev yooj yim
tiag mas? Thaum luag lees ua kev yooj yim lawm no ces ho tsis kam
lawm thiab no es yog xav ua zaj twg tiag?

>yog thaum zoo li no lawm no ces nyaj
>yuav nyhav rau xyom cuab tog lawm xwb lauv.

Thaum zoo li no lawm es xyom cuab tog yog tog twg naw? Nej twb hais
lawm tias 1 ruam los yog nej neeg, 2 ruam los yog nej neeg no lawm
laiv. Nej puas tau muab nws plhis ua nej dab laiv?

1. Nej twb muab tus ntxhais lwm qab lawm... Qhov nod, tus ntxhais kev
koom dab koom qhua nrog niam txiv ces tas rau ntawm nej qhov rooj
lawm;

2. Nej tus tub tau pe (Hmoob hais tias nias tes rau daim av lawm) kom
niam/txiv/kwvtij/poj yawm/xeeb teb xeeb chaw lees paub tias tus
ntxhais ntawd yog nej tus nyab lawm;

3. Nej muab tus ntxhais cov mus koom nrog nej tus "ua" ib txaj
lawm... Nej dab qhua pom tej no tag lawm.

4. Nej muab nkawv hu plig khi tes hais tias nkawv yog niamtxiv
lawm... Neej los paub, dab los paub tias nkawv yog niamtxiv. Tus
ntxhais yog nej neeg lawm tiag tiag.

Npaum li no lawm es nej tseem xav tias xyom cuab ces yog lawv no? Nej
tiam 21 no mas ntse tiag tiag lau.

Hnub twg tus ntxhais tuag, txhob xav tias ntshe nws yuav nrhiav lawv
no ov. Nws nrhiav nej ntag ho.

Pab tus ntxhais tu siab kawg tias nej tsis txawj hlub NEJ tus neeg.
Tsis yog lawv tus neeg lawm ov... Yog NEJ tus neeg! Luag cia siab rau
nej kawg nkaus luag thiaj li tso luag niam luag txiv tseg es los nrog
nej nyob... xav tsis txog tias nej yuav ua ib co niag hle ris zuav li
nej ua no es dag nws hais tias nej coj nws mus tis neej tis tsav no
xwb tabsis cia li muab nws coj mus pom tseg rau tom kev... Tseem ho
hais tias tsam "hnyav xyom cuab tog" no rau nws thiab.

Nej tiam 21 no li cai tsis yog txiv neej yawg cai, yog dev npua cai
xwb os.

kwvtijhmoob

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On Sep 30, 10:40 am, vimhlub <vimh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nej tiam 21 no li cai tsis yog txiv neej yawg cai, yog dev npua cai
> xwb os.

vimhlub-- exactly. now you got the point. qhov born wb pheej kom muab
hmoob tej kev cai no tso pov tseg ces txawm yog qhov "dev npua cai" no
ntag tiag. txawm fi xov tag, tus coj tshoob tuaj ua pov thawj tag, hu
plig tag, noj haus tag, them nyiaj tag los yeej pab tsis tau dab tsi.
THAUM 2 OR 1 TUG TSIS YEEM SIB YUAV LAWM CES NOBODY CAN DO NOHTING.
txawm tam sim no tus ntxhais or tus tug tuag kiag lawm los dab yeej
tsis quaj qhov twg tuaj. NOBY CAN'T DO NOTHING. In fact, yog mus
foob txog nram Court mas tog ntxhais tseem yuav mag hlob kav hlau
thiab ov vim tog ntxhais yog tog txwv tsis pub nkawv sib yuav IN THE
FIRST PLACE ne. li no ces kawg nyhav xyom cuab tog... tab sis xyom
cuab yuav tsis yog tog tub lawm ov ha...ha...ha...





vimhlub

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> THAUM 2 OR 1 TUG TSIS YEEM SIB YUAV LAWM CES NOBODY CAN DO NOHTING.

Thaum nkawv tsis kam sib yuav tsis yog koj/kuv teebmeem. Ntawd yog
nkawv lub neej, nkawv yeej muaj cai txiav txim. Thaum luag tso rau
yus hwj xwm, yus mam li nrog hwj xwm, thaum luag txiav luag txim lawm,
koj sij nrog mob siab ua dabtsi?

> txawm tam sim no tus ntxhais or tus tug tuag kiag lawm los dab yeej
> tsis quaj qhov twg tuaj.  

Nej xav li ntawd ntag? Tos li nej sij xav txog nej tus kheej xwb es
tsis k k txog lwm tus li os yom? Xav li koj xav ces, church los tsis
mus, kevcai Hmoob los tsis tas ua li lawm los as.

>NOBY CAN'T DO NOTHING.  In fact, yog mus
> foob txog nram Court mas tog ntxhais tseem yuav mag hlob kav hlau
> thiab ov vim tog ntxhais yog tog txwv tsis pub nkawv sib yuav IN THE
> FIRST PLACE ne.

Try it and you will know the true consequences. Xav ntshe yuav tsis
yog li xav nawb yawg. Tsis txhob tso tso siab rau luag cai os mog.
Hmoob cai mas tseem muaj qhov zam koj nawb.

Koj mus tom luag tsev, mus tsim teeb meem rau luag es tseem twv foob
luag thiab mas ntshe yuav tau noj tiag tiag li lau. Ntshe lawv yuav
tau tuaj thov nej tiag pob? Thaum twg tau noj no ces caw kuv thiab
os.

>li no ces kawg nyhav xyom cuab tog... tab sis xyom
> cuab yuav tsis yog tog tub lawm ov ha...ha...ha...

Vim koj tsis paub qhov tseeb tias tamsim no tus ntxhais yog leej twg
tus neeg no koj thiaj li hais tau li koj xwb os.

Mouatony

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bawg Vajncuab,


Txawj yog mej cov Vaaj muaj muaj nyaj ce txhaj ua nqe tshoob ce ceev
ceev le. Thaum xyoo 1983-84 ntawd Lis Toj tuaj coj Sua lauj nyob
Colorado moog yuav ua quaspuj tsua Long Beach, CA lawm ce Sua Loj nam
hab txiv tsi kaam ce puab xaaj kom xaa nrov qaab ceev ceev ce Former
Col. Vang Fong coj Lis Toj, Vang Fong's brother in-law, tuaj thov Sua
nam hab txiv es them $5,000.00. Txij nub ntawd lug ce nqe tshoob txhaj
ce sab heev lawm.


MT

cwjmem

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Sep 30, 2011, 1:56:51 PM9/30/11
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nev nev....kuv yeej kuev hais, yawg KWVTIJHMOOB no mas yuav luag
ntxhais los tsis xav ua tshoob, ntxhais yuav luag los yuav xav sau
nyiaj kom ntau li ntau. Nej saib meb tsam no ces nws xav ib niag zaj
nkaus vos tuaj lawm tiag laiv, he he he he...

This is a typical Hmong American mentality. Tsis leem cai li tiag, ha
ha ha ha!!!

Vaj Ncuab

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Mouatony;


Thaum nyob Looj Ceeb peb yeej siv lub tswvyim no los lawm, Col. Vang
Foung tus niam yau (niam Hmoob Lauj) yog yawg nqa nyiaj mus pov rau
yawgtxiv (Vam Xauv Lauj), Col. Vang Thai niam yau (Iab Tsav Ntxawg)
los yog nyiaj. Maj. Vang Bee tus niam yau (May Vang Lee) tham Yang
Yia FAG, Vang Bee ya T-28 mus play ib hnub 2 lwm, thaum kawg May Vang
tso Yang Yia tseg thiab yuav Maj Vang Bee. Yang Tong Canada tham
thiab yuav yuav Xibhwb Vam Lauj Lis tus ntxhai, yawgloj peb cov kiag
Chong VP mus yuav kiag. Qhov hlob Foung nqa $5,000 mus rau Nom Tub
Lauj Colorado yog siv lub tswvyim ua kom Lis Toj tau kiag Suas.

Cov yuav hla kevcai yog cov coj tsis yog pejxeem, kevcai tsim los
khoos cov pejxeem huabhwm. Thaum Moua Kee ua tus President of Hmong
18 Council thawj pab (1983 - 85) tsab by-law hauv Hmong Council mas
peb khabnab yeej tsis pub sau khi yawgloj peb li, peb xaj kom Col.
Vang Youa (Vaj Ntxuam) tswjl ub Hmoob 18 xeem mus rau peb sab, ua ua
Moua Kee mob hlwb tag.


Vajncuab

kwvtijhmoob

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vimhlub & cwj-- nug neb tias, tam sim no tus tub txiav txim siab tsis
yeem yuav tus ntxhais lawm.
1. yog nws yog neb tus tub no neb yuav ua cas? force kom nws ci li
yuav tus ntxhais xwb lov, nws tsis yuav los ci li mus ua tshoob lov,
hu police rau tus tub lov? what would you do?
2. yog neb yog tus ntxhais niam thiab txiv no neb yuav ua li cas?
3. yog neb yog 1 tug kwvtij coj noj coj ua ntawm tog ntxhais no neb
ua li cas?
4. yog neb yog 1 tug kwvtij coj noj coj ua ntawm tog tub no neb ua li
cas?
5. do nothing

neb pick number twg and give me a reason why?





tseemyeej

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Yawg hlob kwvtijhmoob,

On Sep 30, 11:25 am, kwvtijhmoob <kwv...@aol.com> wrote:

Kuv saib mas, koj cov lus ntog ceev tshaj lub lwg dej ntog saum nploj
qostsov lawm.

1-Koj qhov topic pib hais tias: "Tam sim no tog ntxhais ho tuaj thov
tog tub lawm".

2-Tabsis koj ho nthuav tawm tias: "nag hmo lawv tog ntxhais, niam
thiab txiv kiag ntawm tus ntxhais ho hu rov tuaj rau tog tub tus coj
tshoob coj kos,"

3- Koj yog tus kom txhob maj: "nag hmo twb yog 10pm tog tub tus coj
tshoob tseem hu tuaj qhia rau kuv li ntawd thiab nug kuv tias seb kuv
ho xav li cas thiab no. kuv tsuas teb rau yawg tias, txhob maj.

4- Koj txawmsiv xev zoj tias: "tam sim no tus tub txiav txim siab tsis
yeem yuav tus ntxhais lawm. "

Kuv mloog koj hais lus mas, zoo li nej thiaj noj mov hlob xwb sub.


Thov tsa ntivttes rau yawm VajNcuab ua peb tus thawjcoj.



TseemYeej.

cwjmem

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On Sep 30, 11:25 am, kwvtijhmoob <kwv...@aol.com> wrote:
Kwvtijhmoob,

Lam tso dag sim koj xwb saib koj xav li cas xwb, txhob chim nawb!!

Raws li kuv musab ntsom xyuas los mas, tog tub yog tog txaum lawm. Tej
zaum yav tag los tog tub tsev neeg ua qee yam saib tsis tau tog
ntxhais tseg neeg. Lawv thiaj tau los hais li ntawm. Qhov zoo ces,
tog tub yuav tau txo lawv lub hwj chim thiab, ua zoo los hais niam
txiv, muab sib kho kom tag mus xwb. Hmoob muaj ib los lus hais tias
"koob mus yoj, xov los nyog" qhov no txais tau hais tias kom sawv daws
totaub thiab sib zam txim xwb ces tag li lawm.

Hmoob muaj ib lo lus hais tias "tsev vov nqeeb tsis zoo sim taws, tsev
vos vuas sim pob zeb", tej no, peb yeej tau tsheeb lawm hais tias ua
tshoob Hmoob ces yeej yuav tau them nqe mis nqe hno, nqe tshoob nqe
kos. Yog yus tsis xav them es lam ua tshoob xwb, niam txiv hais nyhav
mentsis cia yuav tau lam tau lam khiav los tsev lawm, tej no yog tog
vauv "set the condition", tsis ua raws li niam txiv xav uas, yog yuam
niam txiv cai lawm.

Ntawm tog ntxhais, yus tus ntxhais mus ua neej lawm, tsis txhob ua
nyuaj nyuaj teb, nyiaj txiag lawv yeej muaj tuaj ua tshoob, tab sis
txhob lam tau lam hais lus tsis raws hmoob txoj kev txhoob kev kos,
txawm luag yuav tau koj tus ntxhais lawm, luag yuav khiav neej khiav
tsav, yuav sib pab mus lawm yav tom ntej, txhob muab dej txiag rau
luag hauv paug siab!!!!

Kwvtij Hmoob, koj yog niam txiv, koj muaj ntxhais ob tug. Koj xav li
cas yog tias kuv tuaj yuav koj ib tug ntxhais, cov muaj nrog kuv nyob
tau muaj 10 tawm hnub, kuv tuaj ua tshoob, es kuv yeej "set" kuv qhov
"condition" tias yog koj yuav li kuv hais ces, kuv yuav nrog koj ua
tshoob, hos yog koj tsis yuav li kuv hais ces, kuv khiav kiag los tsev
lawm. Yog koj tsis hais ces, kuv yuav tsis hais li cas rau koj tus
ntxhais, yog koj hais ces, kuv yuav kom nws rov los nrog koj
nyob...tej no, koj xav hais tias kuv puas yog saib tsis tau koj?

Yog kuv coj koj tus ntxhais los txog tsev lawm, kuv siv cov the latest
technology, tsis hu xov tooj rau koj, tab sis "TEXT" message rau koj
hais tias "kwvtijhmoob kuv yuav koj tus ntxhais lawm, koj txhob
nrhiav" koj puas xav hais tias kuv ua saib tsis tau koj? violate
Hmoob tradition?

the bottom line is, peb yuav tau ua raws li poj RHAWV KAB YAWM RHAWV
KEV los, yog niam thiab txiv ua yooj yim los ua raws li lawv siab, ho
yog niam thiab txiv tseem ua raws nkaus li "Pj ua tseg yawm ua cia"
raws kiag li Hmoob cag tshoob cag kos los yuav tau ua raws li niam
thiab txiv yeem. Tej no thiaj yauv tsis muaj kev cuam tshuam dab tsi.

Hais txog ntawm case no, yog tus tub tsis yuav tus ntxhais lawm ces,
kuv xav mas , tog tub yuav tsum mus kho/xa tus ntxhais rov qab.

vimhlub

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Kwvtij,

Peb ua neeg nyob, peb tsis yog ua li yus xav tamsim xwb. Yuav tau ua
raws li standard processes and procedures vim yus tsis yog ua rau yus
yuav xwb. Yus tseem yuav koom nrog tibneeg nyob mus ntxiv thiab. Yog
li ntawd, yuav tau ua kom "koob mus yoj, xov los nyog" yus thiaj tsis
yog the shit of society.

> 1.  yog nws yog neb tus tub no neb yuav ua cas?  force kom nws ci li
> yuav tus ntxhais xwb lov, nws tsis yuav los ci li mus ua tshoob lov,
> hu police rau tus tub lov?  what would you do?

Tus tub tsis lam tsis kam yuav ib zaug pob? Thaum khiav tom niamtais
yawmtxiv tsev los twb tsis yog nws tswv yim; Thaum muab nws pojniam
tso pov tseg tom kev lawm los twb tsis yog nws tswv yim. Seb yog
leejtwg tswvyim xwb (didn't you said you were the advisor to the
family?). Nej twb ntxias tau nws khiav, nyaj nws mloog nej lus thiab
pos?

Tamsim no, yog tias tus tub nws yeej tsis kam yuav tus nws pojniam
lawm tiag tiag es yeej yog nws txiav nws txim kheej li ntawd -- tsis
yog nej kom nws txiav txim li ntawd -- ces seb nws puas yog txiv neej
xwb. Nws dag nej thiab dag tus ntxhais ua dabtsi mas, quag qeb npaum
li ntawd nas? Seb nws yuav hais li cas nej thiab rau nws tus pojniam
xwb tiag? Kuv xav tias yog nej tus tub qaug qeb npaum li ntawd --
niam txiv ib nyuag hais xwb txawm siv ua fee das li ntawd lawm ces seb
nws txiav puas tau txim tiag tiag li ntawd xwb. Hnub qab nram ntsi
tsis txhob rov qab dag nej dua xwb los as.

Qhov nkawv yuav sib yuav thiab tsis sib yuav yog nyob ntawm nkawv
kheej. TABSIS, qhov yuav ua tshoob thiab tsis ua tshoob yog nyob
ntawm nej. Yog nej tsis ua tshoob, tsis txhob mus lam sim luag. Kev
sib yuav yog nyob ntawm tub/ntxhais. Kev ua tshoob yog nyob ntawm
niam thiab txiv. Vim nej twb mus dag lawv lawm, txawm tub/ntxhais sib
yuav thiab tsis sib yuav los nej yuav tau hais kom tau ib los tseem
ceeb rau niam thiab txiv tog ntxhais kom luag tsis txhob tos nej ntxiv
lawm. Peb ua neeg nyob, tsis txhob sib dag.

> 2.  yog neb yog tus ntxhais niam thiab txiv no neb yuav ua li cas?

Yus txawm xav ua zoo npaum li cas los kawg luag tsis kam yuav yus tus
ntxhais lawm ces kav liam thiab xwb tiag. Txawm niag ntxhais ntshaw
luag npaum li cas los luag twb tsis yuav nws lawm, txawm nws ruam
npaum twg los nws yog yus me nyuam lawm ces yus yuav tau hlub nws tam
li yus yog niam yog txiv. Pab txhawb dagzog thiab tswvyim rau nws kom
nrhiav dua txoj kev tshiab taug xwb.

> 3.  yog neb yog 1 tug kwvtij coj noj coj ua ntawm tog ntxhais no neb
> ua li cas?

Nug tuaj seb nej puas ua tshoob lawm xwb. Yog nej ho tsis yeem ua
neej ua tsav los kav liam thiab xwb tiag.

Nco ntsoov hais tias sib yuav yog me nyuam tug. Tshoob kos yog niam
txiv tug. Lwm zaus yog nej xav yuav pojniam rau nej tej tub xwb ces
yuav tus twg los tau, tabsis yog nej xav yuav neej yuav tsav no seb
nej yuav hais li cas rau peb xwb tiag? Tsis yog seb peb yuav hais li
cas rau nej os... seb nej yuav hais li cas rau peb os.

> 4.  yog neb yog 1 tug kwvtij coj noj coj ua ntawm tog tub no neb ua li
> cas?

Luag hais tias tsev vuas tsis zoo sim zeb, tsev nqeeb tsis zoo sim
taws (yes, even in the 21st century, if you throw rocks and fire at a
house, the house will still be ruined).

Txawm tus tub tsis yeem yuav tus ntxhais lawm los yuav tau mus kho kom
kev neej kev tsa tsis txhob puas. Phem tsuas yog ib tug phem xwb.
Tsis yog tag nrog yus pab niag kwvtij phem. Peb ua neej nyob, yog
muaj phoojywg ces tau kev dav, yog tau yeebncuab ces tau kev ti xwb
tiag. Yuav taus xyuas kom meej pem.

> 5.  do nothing

Not an option. Cowards do nothing, but still they suffer. Do nothing
and you will become a nobody. Yes, this still applies even in the
21st century. You liberate yourself when you do the right thing.

idonotknow

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nyeem tas kuv xav tias ob tog tabtom sib cuab kom ib tog mam hmoob/neeg thuam xwb tsis yog xav leg rooj tshoob kom tiav mus. tog ntxhais los tias peb fi moo rau kom lawv paub. hmoob yuav paub tias peb siab tsis phem peb tsis tau ntiab tog vauv mus tsev. vim peb twb hu kom lawv rov tuaj.tog tub los nyom kiag peb ua nyuaj kom hmoob paub tias tog ntxhais phem rooj tshoob thiaj laug hnub laug hli los ntev li ntev. tsis yuav los tsis k lawm. raws li nyeem cov ntawv sau hauv no mas kuv xav tim tog tub me me lawm tsam no na. mus yuav khoom tom tablaj los siv yus txoj num li ob peb hnub tsis tau over refund time ces xa rov qab nqa nyiaj puv nkaus li qub rov los. kuv xav tog tub tias ncheem dej hlob zoo dov cav ces dov kiag mus.

--idonotknow

phwvnyawm

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Kwvtij....aw,

Hnub no thiaj paub tias nej tog tub yeej phem tiag-g.......tos cov kwv
tij hmoob Yaj ntawd pheej yuav kom nej kho 24 los 36 naj.

Koj saib maj........tsis tau ua tshoob tag nej twb yuav tsis yuav tus
ntxhais lawm no puas yog nej yog neeg zoo? qhov no lawv yeej paub zoo-
oo tias 2 tug nej xub yuav lawm nej yeej cia noj qhauv ntxuag kua muag
li tej laus hais........tus no los yeej yuav mus tib txoj ke......lawv
thiaj yuav kom nej kho ntag......pab neeg qub ces yeej coj lub siab
qub.....muaj tiag los pob.

Hnub nej mus ua tshoob mas nej tus kheej yeej paub tias lub neej tom
ntej nej tus tub yeej yuav tsis yuav tus ntxhais kom mus kawg....nej
lam mus saib hmoob Yaj puas ua yooj-j yim xwb.......Nej yeej sab laj
tag lawm.....yog hmoob Yaj ua kiag li 18 xeem lub txhooj xwb es yeej
tsis npluas,tsis ntaus nco,tsis muaj khaub tsho li mas nej thiaj yuav
kam ua tshoob,yog hmoob Yaj tseem tsub yam puav rau nej them ces nej
yeej npaj khiav lawm nad......peb cov ua dua mej koob no peb paub
kawg......yog piav li koj piav ko ces nej yog cov nkhaus lawm laid
Kwv.

Hais txog 2 tug xub-b yuav lawm mas hnov nej lus xwb tsis hnov 2 tug
ntxhais lus mas xyov yog 2 tug tub phem los yog 2 tug ntxhais phem li
nawb.

Raws li kuv xav mas ntshai yauv yog nej 2 tug tub yog 2 tug phem:

Tus koj hais noj nyiaj SSI yog mloog xwb mas zoo li nws yog ib tug
neeg ruam-m li koj hais. Tiam sis koj yuav tsum paub tias hom neeg no
tus phem mas tseem phem tshaj cov tsis noj nyiaj SSI nawb.

Peb muaj ib tug kwv tij nyob Fresno: Nws tseem hluas-s 30 tawm xyoo
xwb. Thaum nyob tim Nplog ces nws mob-b ces nws ib sab ceg cia li me
lawm ces nws mus kev yeej taws siab ,taws qis.....tuaj txog teb chaws
no thiaj cia li tau nyiaj SSI noj......nws kuj yuav poj niam muaj 3
tug me nyuam.Nws ces nyob li nyob xwb niaj hnub mus nrog nws cov phooj
ywg ua phaib tom nws cov phooj ywg tsev,ua phaib yuav nyiaj
os......poj niam yuav txib ces kawg hu tom tsev ua phaib.Nws 800 pua
nyiaj SSI ces ib hli tsis pom ib hli qab coj mus twv phaib tag.Tus
nyab niaj hnub mus ua hauj lwm coj nyiaj los them nqi tsev,yuav rau
nkawv 3 tug me nyuam noj.....cov kwv tij ntuas ntau zaus tus tub no
tsis yuav li..... pheej ua qhov qub xwb. Ces tus nyab kawg khiav mus
ua lub neej tshiab......cov tsis paub zoo ces pheej hais tias tus nyab
yog tus ntse nws khiav mus tham hluas nkaug no.Peb cov paub zoo-oo ces
yog tim tus tub.......tso tej poj niam me nyuam noj qhauv ntxuag kua
muag ned ces poj niam kawg khiav xwb las as.

Hos nej tus kwv tij yuav niam hlob niam yau ces 99% yeej yog tim nej
tus kwv tij lawm nawb: Cov neeg muaj niam hlob niam yau ces yeej yog
cov tham-m hluas nkauj xwb.Tus ntxhais tsis yuav nws los nws yeej paub
tias nws tus txiv yeej tseem tham-m hluas nkauj tseem yuav muaj niam
3,niam 4 ntxiv thiaj ua ib siab nkauj.

Nram peb no nyob hauv Fresno muaj ib tug npawg Hmoob Muas muaj 3 tug
poj niam.......yawg txoj hauj lwm ces tham hluas nkauj(poj nrauj,poj
ntsuam) rau ub rau no thiab mus tso qaib sib ncaws nkaus-s xwb.Thaum
tso qaib sib ncaws poob nyiaj ntau ces los thov niam hlob,niam
nrab,niam yau tej nyiaj mus them.Tej poj niam ua lub neej lwj siab
tag mus li,nyiaj los poob npaum,rab niag phom los twb tsis tau siv
raws li lub siab xav....thaum kawg ces kawg nrauj.




kwvtijhmoob

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case no ces tam sim no tog tub tau mus foob rau koom haum 18 xeem
lawm.

qhov tog tub mus foob yog li no:
1. 2 cases qub qub thaum ub ntawd tog tub thiab tog ntxhais nkawv 2
tog neeg twb coj tuaj hais tom koom haum 18 xeem ntag. twb muab kho
tag. 2 tog twb tau signed ntaub ntawv tag lawm, ua cas tam sim no
tog ntxhais tseem hais tias plaub tseem tsis tau tag thiab no. kom
koom haum 18 xeem pab taug thiab los txiav txim.
2. tog tub poob ib tug nyab lawm vim tog ntxhais tseem rov muab 2
cases qub qub uas twb muab hais tag 30 hnub nram ntej coj los txiav
thiab rhuav tus tub thiab tus ntxhais lub neej txoj kev sib yuav zaum
no. yuav kom 18 xeem nrog taug. yog tog twg txhaum, thov kom koom
haum txiav txim rau.

3. kom koom haum nrog paub. yog tus tub lam tuag, tog ntxhais yuav
tau los lav tus tub lub nqi taub hau.

cia mam li ntsia mus saib yuav zoo li cas--- mam li update rau nej
paub nawb.

kwvtijhmoob

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cov phooj ywg sawvdaws-- kuv los yeej yog ib tug neeg sab nrauv thiab
xwb. peb txawm hais tau npaum ub npaum no los yog hais raws li qhov
peb xav xwb. tus pom qhov tseeb tshaj yog tus neeg nyob sab hauv.
yuav kom paub qhov tseeb tias leej twg yog tus txhaum, leej twg yog
tus tsis txhaum no mas yuav tsum yog cia 2 tog neeg rov tuaj sib hais
tim ntseg tim muag es mam li cia rau kev txwj laus neeg los txiam
txim. thaum ntawd mas peb thiaj mam li paub tias tog twg yog tog
txhaum, tog twg yog tog tsis txhaum. raws li paub mas tam sim no tog
tub coj case no mus rau 18 xeem nrog taug lawm. nyaj tsis ntev no
yuav paub qhov tseeb lawm lauv.



Yaj Tshaj Koob

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On Sep 29, 7:12 am, kwvtijhmoob <kwv...@aol.com> wrote:
> UPDATE ROOJ TSHOOB HNUB I---
>
> rooj tshoob hnub i kuv nrog lawv mus mloog hais es tog ntxhais pheej
> yuav kom tog tub los kho 2 cases unrelated qub qub thaum ub.  tab sis
> tog tub tsis pom zoo kho vim lawv tsis pom lawv qhov kev txhaum thiab
> nws tsis yog cai muab coj los hais rau rooj tshoob tshiab no lawm.
> lawv tog tub tsis kam kho es tog ntxhais ci li muab lawv tog tub ncaws
> tawm khiav mus tsev lawm.
>
> nag hmo lawv tog ntxhais, niam thiab txiv kiag ntawm tus ntxhais ho hu
> rov tuaj rau tog tub tus coj tshoob coj kos, thov kom lawv tog tub rov
> qab mus.  niam thiab txiv ntawm tus ntxhais no hais rau tog tub tus

> coj tshoob hais tias, zaum no mus txog mas nkawv tsis kom lawv tus
> kwvtij coj tshoob tuaj ua txiv lus hais li lawm.  nkawv 2 tug ua niam
> ua txiv yog 2 tug hais kiag lawm xwb thiab nkawv yuav tsis kom them
> nyiaj npaum ub npaum no li lawm.  nyiaj ces tog tub muaj li cas muab
> li ntawd xwb.  yog ho tsis muab los thov kom pab nkawv 2 tug ua niam
> ua txiv ua rooj mov xwb no.
>
> nag hmo twb yog 10pm tog tub tus coj tshoob tseem hu tuaj qhia rau kuv
> li ntawd thiab nug kuv tias seb kuv ho xav li cas thiab no.  kuv tsuas
> teb rau yawg tias, txhob maj... xyov luag hais dag los hais tiag.. cia
> tos hnub puav
> muaj dab tsi mam tham no xwb.
>
> hmoob mas tsis sawm zoo li tiag.


Kwvtijhmoob,

Hais rau ib tsoom phooj ywg rooj tshoob uas kwvtijhmoob hais no yog
kwvtij hmoob xev tswv yim los ua rooj tshoob no xwb nawb.

> nag hmo lawv tog ntxhais, niam thiab txiv kiag ntawm tus ntxhais ho hu

> rov tuaj rau tog tub tus coj tshoob coj kos, thov kom lawv tog tub rov

> qab mus. niam thiab txiv ntawm tus ntxhais no hais rau tog tub tus


> coj tshoob hais tias, zaum no mus txog mas nkawv tsis kom lawv tus
> kwvtij coj tshoob tuaj ua txiv lus hais li lawm.

Nej nyeem yawg cov sob lus hauv qab no ces twb yog nws hais mus txhawb
nws qhov post hnub i uas nws hais tias ua tshoob tsi yuav mejkoob lawm
rau qhov mejkoob yog trouble maker xwb no.

>..................................................................nkawv 2 tug ua niam


> ua txiv yog 2 tug hais kiag lawm xwb thiab nkawv yuav tsis kom them
> nyiaj npaum ub npaum no li lawm. nyiaj ces tog tub muaj li cas muab
> li ntawd xwb. yog ho tsis muab los thov kom pab nkawv 2 tug ua niam
> ua txiv ua rooj mov xwb no.

tsi tas tham tham lawm.


YTK

idonotknow

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On Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:12:23 AM UTC-5, kwvtijhmoob wrote:
> UPDATE ROOJ TSHOOB HNUB I---
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ob tsev neeg rooj tshoob zaum no kaj tsij 6siab foob tiag tom 18xeem. nco ntsoov 18xeem tsis yog foob dawb2. lawv suav nyiaj hourly nyhav tsawv thiab ov.

raws li kuv xav thaum kawg ob tog yuav mus poob nyiaj tom 18xeem ntau tshaj tus nqe tshoob lawm. 2 tog ua ke. both fees in total much more over that bride price.

tog ntxhais los yug ntxhais tsis cia ua tshoob yug los ua4 xwb tsam no yuav plag nqe tshoob. tog tub los tog ntxhais twb nyoo kom mus hais tshoob dua tsis mus cia li mus foob tom 18xeem xwb. ob tog phem sib xws. yog menyuam yau ces muab sib tsoo taub hau 3 nkua mam nug seb puas yuav 3 nbawg ntxiv lawm. tus ntxhais tus vauv kom sib pus khiav kom deb. ntaub ntawv sib yuav mus ua lawm nram NEVADA. niam pog txiv yawm los kom plam tubnyab. niamtais yawmtxiv los kom plam ntxhais vauv.

thaum kawg plag tas ib pab cov nyuag no na. nco ntsoov txhob ua li puab ua lawm ov.

--idonotknow
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