Response to Dr. Pao
tee...@hotmail.com
I have missed this post from Dr. Pao, so let me answer. Guys and gals,
please do not worry about this.
Dr. Pao, please sue me in court and I will show you the EVIDENCE. You
will be the first evidence witness under subpoena. However, I do not
think you will have the courage to sue me. Let's call it bluff.
People in SCH know that you have worked for Neohoum and VP. There is
no need for denial here. Thus, you have abetted, promoted and
supported a violent group and person, who is now under federal
indictment. Please read US Patriot Act. Let's not go far back but only
to recent time. While VP was in jail, you tried to raise millions of
dollars to save VP and called for thousands of Hmong to volunteer for
imprisonment in exchange for VP, who was jailed specifically for a
plan to commit massive armed mayhem in Laos. This is an established
fact, which you yourself posted in SCH.
On the legal side, let me give you a free piece of advice. Before you
threaten someone, you need to first ask yourself three basic
questions:
(1) Can you carry the threat through?
(2) Is the target of the threat going to be intimidated?
(3) Do you have a case that will assure success?
In this particular case, let me help you with the above questions from
my position.
(1) You cannot carry through the threat because you already know that
you cannot win.
(2) Absolutely no way will I be intimidated. You should know this by
now.
(3) You have absolutely no case. Why? Because:
(a) SCH is a public forum where people are free to discuss issues.
(b) I have not violated the rules of SCH that you yourself helped
institute.
(c) You took positions on public issues and I did same in response.
(d) Nothing I said has amounted to malice or ill intent on my part.
The content of my arguments has focused entirely on the public issues
under discussion. In short, in this public discourse, I followed the
rules of SCH and merely exercised my constitutional guarantee under
the First Amendment. On the intellectual part, I was free to use
available and relevant testimonials and other resources, including
rational and philosophical arguments, to support my positions. You are
entitled to same.
(e) Your threat amounted to intellectual repression and censorship
since you are an administrator of SCH.
Here the legal steps I would take, if you choose to file a libel suit
against me:
(1) I will file a motion to dismiss your case based on frivolity or
lack of merit and accuse you of malicious intent.
(2) I will file a counter suit to seek compensation for (a) losses,
which include legal fees and other expenses incurred, and (b) punitive
damage for distress and harm caused by your malicious action.
If you feel that you can win, please sue me. Do not have pity on me.
Please acquaint yourself with the First Amendment of the US
Constitution, which is a pillar of the political, ideological and
intellectual principles underlying the way of life and civilization of
the US. The US legal system is very protective of free speech in
public discourse. You need an overwhelming cause to pass muster. You
simply don't have it.
Of course, I will defend myself and prove to the Hmong people and the
US government that, while babbling about democracy, human rights and
freedom, you and your kind are actually antithetical monsters of the
worst kind who hide behind those high principles to do evil deeds. I
would love to do that.
I am confident of my legal position and otherwise. Furthermore, I have
more options up my sleeves. I see your position as being extremely
weak legally and argumentatively. Quite pitifully, you put yourself in
such a position. Please learn from this.
Teev
Below is the post from Dr. Pao. on February 18.
Teev,
Can YOU elaborate how I co-opted to work with violent groups? Which
violent groups? How, when, what do I do? Yog kuv yog neeg phem, neeg
nkaus li koj mas, kuv twb sue koj for defamation already, my friend!
Tabsis yus yog Hmoob tibyam es ho hlub lub nyuiav qhov muag thiab.
Li tej lau hais cia, "ua ib tug txiv-neeg-yawg, plaub-quav dub-nciab",
Yus hais tau, yus yuav tsum muaj POV THAWJ laiv yawg! Show the
EVIDENCE! if no evidence, you had just hung yourself - a self-
inflicted. Tejzaum, ua tus neeg hmoov tas tiag-tiag li lawm laud! Yus
tau zoo nyob, es tsis nyob twj ywm.. ua cas yus yuav nrhiav kev muaj
yuv faus kheej tiag-tiag li! You dig your own grave, you bury
yourself alive! What ever happen to the good Teev Lis? What a shame.
What a sad thing to happen to such man who once was a good friend?
(sigh... sigh...)
Yog koj muab tsis tau povthawj (if you have NO evidence), koj yuav tau
thov-txim kuv ces thiaj yuav zoo rau koj! (you better apologise!) so
you can at least redeem part of your good self from the grave.
Pao
txoovtuam
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Yim
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Teev, cas koj ciali zoo li cov neeg tsis paub tab li lawm thiab?,
Txhob nrog cov no tham lawm mas.Koj txawm pab nplog log nplog yeej
tsis hlub koj, koj txawm pab Hmoob los Hmoob yeej tsis tau totaub li,
kavtsij pw nrog pojniam zoo zoo es thaumtwg muaj nyiaj lawm yuav xav
ua licas los mam ua thiaj li mav!!!!!!!!
kwv...@aol.com
mov av lawm xwb haj..haj..haj... yawg kwv phwvnyawm aw-- wb qhov haus
beer thiab kav cov niam ua mov tom church xwb mas thiaj tsis muaj qhov
khib leej twg kiag li xwb os haj..haj...haj...
Born2beHmong
Kwv thiab Tshaj aws,
These people had not leaned the basic of leadership and moral code of
ethics and principle at all, they are just acting like Hmong men who
are just barking left and right. leaders carry themselves differently
in manner, and again typical hmong men would just pretend and big
mouth. again, when it comes down to the used of quality language as
leader, they had no clue.
this is the very reason we go nowhere in real life, because of this
big talks from our community but they had not even know-how a leader
really is....LOL! luag kiag 2 suab.....tso!
Born2beMhong
fajkhaum
Tseg tau li ib hlis no kuv tsi tau tuaj nrog nej nyeem kev sib tham
hauv SCH no lawm. Neb ob tug ua tij tej zaum muab hais tau nchaj me
ntsis lawm. Neb twb yog ob tug neeg txawj thiab hu tau hais tias "
Hmong Community leaders". Qhov zoo, yus yuav tau tsi txhob muab yus
cov lus tobx hais tawm li no ces luag pejkum nyeem tau tias yus tus
neeg qhov intellectual nyob txij twg lawm xwb.
Hais txog tej me kev sib foob nyob hauv xam ces yog muaj nyiaj me
ntsis lawm los kuj ho pab coj mus develop lwm yam project kuj yuav zoo
dua. Neb puas pom lawv sib foob nyob MN ib tog poob $150,000.00
dollars tsi muaj leej twg yeej nab?
Dr. Pao, koj yog tij lawm, tsi tsim nyob peb cov lawm quav lawm zis
yuav advice koj. Kuv pom koj kab lus hais tias " yuav tau thov txim
kuv" no ib nyuag tsi raug ntsej raug muag pes tsawg lawm. Yus yog ib
tus neeg intellectual tam lub ntuj, yus tsi txhob mus expect lwm tus
los thov txim rau yus. Qhov zoo, yus yog tus neeg paub tab, yus yuav
tau hais tias " txawm koj hais tau li, los kuv zam txim rau koj" no
mas nws yuav appropriate dua.
Thov txim uas tau los cuam tshuam neb me ntsis.
Fajkhaum
dony
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Dr. Pov /Teev
Kuv xav hais tias tsis tsim nyog neb pheej yuav sib rhuav npaum li
neb...Neb puas xav hais tias neb sib rhuav zoo rau peb Hmoob? Yog nej
cov muaj kev txawj ntse tuaj sib rhuav personal li neb no mas peb
Hmoob yuav tsis muaj chaw cia siab tab sis cov tsis nyiam peb Hmoob
mas yuav zoo siab heev...Nco ntsoov txhob cia zab ntxias hauj sam xuas
qws sib tsoo tob hau nawb.....
tseemyeej
Hahaha...Human nature is no different than animal nature. If Teev and
TseemYeej are bad, how about zhen, Faj and B2bh? Years ago, lawv coj 2
tug menyuam aub, chiwawa, tuaj pub kuv cov menyuam. Kuv mas cia li
muaj teeb meem rau 2 tug aub ntawd kawg kiag li, yog yus tsis qheb
qhov rooj rau mus ua si nraum zoo ces nkawd yuav ua zaj ua ntxeev dawj
kom qhov rooj khis tag, hos yog yus ho qheb ces nkawd mas tsuas tias
lij pes lias mus nrhiav tshov txhua txhia chaw, muaj tsheej plab tsaub
los rau yus tu, tus daj tus dub, tus txheeb tus txho los muaj tag.
Tsis ntev tag los no, ob niag laus khiav hla kev tseem mag tsheb muab
luam tuag lawm, tshuav 5 tug mas txhoj puab tshaj leej niam leej txiv
lawm thiab lauj..ntuj awd...This is my problems:
1- Yog muab kaw hauv tsev ces, lawv yuav dawj tsev khaub hlab tag
thiab kaws khau tu tag thiab ua qias neeg ntsuav txhua txhia chaw li.
2-Yog muab tso tawm nraum zoov ces lawv mus nrhiav tshov ncig zos lees
nram backyard, tsis li ces lawv mus raws tom neeg pem frontyard, kuv
twb mag warn ntau zaus lawm. Worse of all yog lawv khiav hla kev.
3-Yog kuv yuav muab lawv xav mus pov tom Human Society los kuv family
tsis txaus siab, they claim that those dogs are part of the family.
They rather get rid of me than those dogs hahaha...
What should I do? Gosh...I hate myself.
TseemYeej.
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
am i missing something? when was vp pronouced "guilty" as a "violent"
person...? to say that pao supported a "violent" group has no basis
because the "violent intention against the patriat act (as of now)" is
only an accusation....
yaweh
phwvnyawm
Tej no es neb pheej tseem cheem ua dab tsi.......kuv mas yuav xav tswv
yim saib yuav ua li cas thiaj ntxias tau lawv los sib nplawg rau peb
kawm xwb nad.......Tam sim no mas yuav tau ua li yawg thaub Kwvtij wb
xwb.......nrhiav Bias haus dawb kom siav luv zog xwb los
mas......yeej paub tias haus Bias ntau ces tuag sai......tiam sis nyob
laus-s ces tsw phem ces tej hluas ntxub-b.......haus Bias kom siav
luv.
Faj, Koj muaj ib tug kwv tij hais rau kuv tias.......koj mas tsis
khoom kiag li........tau muaj 1-2 hli no mas koj yeej mus sab laj qhov
txhia chaw.....qab teb,qaum teb,hnub tuaj thiab hnub poob tib si no
ned........kas moos mas mus zoo-oo kawg no......ua li kuv puas yuav
tau mus noj fawm tim Vees Cas sai ned?
fajkhaum
Nim ntsuag xav pom luag tej sib nplawg hwv meb. Haus beer ntau dhau
tsi xyaum tsim txiaj li lawm nawb koj na.
Es lub asthiv tom ntej no lawv yuav khi tes rau yawg hlob VP nyob nram
Santa Ana no koj puas nrog lawv mus haus beer nrad mad? Lawv teem tag
nrho cov Hmoob yav qab teb California tuaj mus koom no laiv.
Hos qhov niag ib sij pheej mus sablaj ib qho ntawd muaj kawg las mas.
Txhob tham ntau ntau tsam lwm tus paub peb tej kasmoos lawm.
Nim no txhob hais txog qhov mus noj fawm tim Vees Cam lawm. Lawv twb
tuaj ntiav kawm tau lab fawm Trieu Chau cov fawm house special coj los
tab kiag rau Fresno tis kiag npe hu ua lab fawm New Hope no lawm. Kav
tsij mus noj lab fawm New Hope ntawm Fresno xwb qab dua lawm. He he
he.
Faj
phwvnyawm
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Fajkhaum....aw,
Koj mas qhov ncauj loj ua luaj maj.......luag khites tham nab khauj
khuas xwb nad......luag twb tsis caws yus es yuav muaj ntsej muag mus
koom luag maj.......txhob lam mus tsam lawv muab yus ntiab los
tsev ......ua ntsev nchuav tag li nawb.........tej Beer ntawd tim
church tsev pam tuag tseev yus nqos nad.......cov niam ua mov tseem
hlais nqaij rau yus noj ib cag thiab.....yog.......yog .....koj yuav
mus koom thiab tiag ned.
nraugjuag
kuv xav paub seb Dr. Pao puas yog ibtug doctor tiag tias. Yog nws yog ib
tug doctor tiag tiag no nws yeej yuav tsis muaj sijhawm tuaj nrog cov
neeg
nyob hauvno sibcav. Nws lub sijhawm yuav cia los mus pab neeg lawm xwb.
Thiab uacas nws tseem hais lus li ibtug neeg tsis paub qabhau dabtsi li.
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dony
Nraugjuaj,
Dr. Pov yeej yog doctor luas mas...Koj tseem tsis paub hais tias cov
tuaj kov kov net no ces yeej yog tib co kawm ntawv qhab siab xwb
los....cov txawj txawj cem, tshum, thiab thuam neeg ces tib co nyob
tim Laos los yog navxwv xam hos tuaj teb chaws no los tseem kawm tau
mav xwm tawm thiab dov tawm xwb na...Phaum luag uas hlob thiab yug
nyob USA mas tsis tshua txwj cem neeg ov..
Hmong213
Kuv yog ib tug uas tuaj hauv lub forum sch/scl no puag thaum 1997 los
txog rau tam sim no. Raws li kuv pom thiab xav mas Dr. Pov yeej ok
lawm thiab. Nco ntsoov tias nobody perfect. Kuv xav hais tias tos Dr.
Pao ho tau hais cov lus ntawm rau Teev los yeej tsim nyog hais lawm
thiab nawb.
Ua neeg nyob ces yog ib pab neeg tau sib ntxub lawm ces kawg yeej yuav
tau hais phem tas zog rau lug xwb. Luag txawm ua zoo los yus yeej pom
phem, luag txawm ua phem los yus yeej pom phem. For exemple:
1. Cov ntxub LPDR lawm ces tas sim neej yeej cem LPDR xwb xwb li.
2. Cov ntxub VP lawm ces tas sim neej yeej cem VP mus kom txog hnub
kawg li.
3. Cov ntxub Thaksin (former Nais Nyauv Thaib) lawm ces yeey yuav cem
Thaksin kom txog hnub kawg li.
etc................more............more
more............................
Twb yog zoo li no es Hmoob thiaj li tsis niam muaj teb chaws nyob.
Hmong213.
pebhmo...@yahoo.com
> Hello
>
> kuv xav paub seb Dr. Pao puas yog ibtug doctor tiag tias. Yog nws yog ib
> tug doctor tiag tiag no nws yeej yuav tsis muaj sijhawm tuaj nrog cov
> neeg
> nyob hauvno sibcav. Nws lub sijhawm yuav cia los mus pab neeg lawm xwb.
> Thiab uacas nws tseem hais lus li ibtug neeg tsis paub qabhau dabtsi li.
>
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Why he is not a doctor? You see the undoctor people just said pim
qau, tuag, ntshav pim and so on without merit and boundary. The
doctor they just show their high profile by intend to sue people who
against their character. I need to see if they carry their threat
through. Otherwise we will see that they are no different than us the
Mioa Thaibteb.
3 hmong stupids ruam
nraugjuag
tsis sibqhia xwb, tseem tuaj sibcav,sibceg nyob rau hauv internet no rau
luag lwm haivneeg saib thiab. Thaum luag pom peb rovqab sibceg peb txog
tej yam twb tsis tseemceeb ces luag yuav luag peb.
Ua li cas kuv tau nkag mus txog rau lwm haivneeg qhovchaw forum. Luag
yeej tsis muaj sibthuam, sibceg. Luag sibcav txog tswvyim sibpab, sibkho,
thiab pauv tswvyim xwb. Tabsis kuv txog rau Hmoob cov forum mas tsuas hais
txog sibceg, sibthuam, thiab sib ntxub xwb. Yeej tsis muaj qhov yuav los
sibtham kom muaj kev sib haumxeeb li. Tsis muaj qhov sibtham kom muaj kev
cog phoojywg li. Kuv xav thov kom nej sawvdaws pauv nej lub siab lub ntsws
los sib tham txog kev sibkho, kev sib koomsiab es kom sawvdaws thiaj li
muaj txojkev zoosiab thiab haumxeeb. Uatsaug
Born2beHmong
> Cov kwvtij, yog vim li cas sawvdaws twb yog tibco kwvtij Hmoob los tseem
> tsis sibqhia xwb, tseem tuaj sibcav,sibceg nyob rau hauv internet no rau
> luag lwm haivneeg saib thiab. Thaum luag pom peb rovqab sibceg peb txog
> tej yam twb tsis tseemceeb ces luag yuav luag peb.
>
> Ua li cas kuv tau nkag mus txog rau lwm haivneeg qhovchaw forum. Luag
> yeej tsis muaj sibthuam, sibceg. Luag sibcav txog tswvyim sibpab, sibkho,
> thiab pauv tswvyim xwb. Tabsis kuv txog rau Hmoob cov forum mas tsuas hais
> txog sibceg, sibthuam, thiab sib ntxub xwb. Yeej tsis muaj qhov yuav los
> sibtham kom muaj kev sib haumxeeb li. Tsis muaj qhov sibtham kom muaj kev
> cog phoojywg li. Kuv xav thov kom nej sawvdaws pauv nej lub siab lub ntsws
> los sib tham txog kev sibkho, kev sib koomsiab es kom sawvdaws thiaj li
> muaj txojkev zoosiab thiab haumxeeb. Uatsaug
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nraugjuag,
koj puas yog tus kuv ib txwm nrog tham los lawm xwb mas, koj cov lus
hais no yeej yog lus lawm tiag, tabsi koj puas tau nyeem kuv post ua
ntej no thiab..yog nyeem lawm ces koj yuav nkagsiab zoo txaus lawm.
qhov peb haivneeg mhoob ua tseem hais lus li no mas muaj ntau yam:
1. peb lam loj dawb dawb thiab kawm ntawv siab xwb, peb lub siab lub
ntsw tsi yog ib tug neeg ua leader tiag tiag.
2. peb paub txog xwb, peb lub tswv8 tsi tau txawj xav li ib tug neeg
ua yuav los lead tiag tiag.
3. vim peb kawm txog thiab nyeem es paub lawm, tabsi peb lub siab lub
ntsw tsi tau muaj qhov training kom yus cov lus thiab lub niam tswv8
yog coj li ib tug neeg ua coj ib pab los ib pawg neeg tiag tiag.
4. tsua yog peb muaj nyiaj, paub me me ntawv lawm xwb ces peb pib khav
theeb thiab xyaum hais lus loj lawm xwb, tabsi peb tsi tau paub the
code of ethics and principle of leadership skills and what we must act
during certain time and/or certain situation.
5. yog yuav muab hais ces, we lack the very basic skills of leadership
and being partially evaluate all the reasons and supports of each
statement that others had made.
6. qhov tseemceeb tshaj plaws, peb lub hlwb tseem ntse tsi tau txog
txoj kev hais lus thiab coj noj coj uas tiag tiag. peb xav hais tias,
peb txawj thiab paub kawg lawm, tabsi peb tus xeebceem thiab cwjpwm
tseem tsi tau pauv txog peb cov roots ua poj ua cias, yawm ua tseg li.
hais li no xwb, lwmzaus mam li hais ntxiv, yog leej twg hos tsi
nkagsiab no los thov noog tau.
Born2beMhong
nraugjuag
Kuv khuj tsis paub hais tias tus koj nrog tham yavtag los puas yog kuv.
Seb koj ho tau nrog kuv tham nyob rau qhovtwg losyog lub forum twg.
Thovtxim uas kuv tsis ncoqab kojlawm.
Koj cov posted kuv tsis tau mus nyeem li vim kuv nyuamqhuav paub txog lub
forum no xwb. Koj cov lus koj yeej hais yog kawg li lawm. Kuv xav hais
tias tus neeg txawj hais lus li koj ko yuavtsum tau los nrhiav kev
qhuabqhia peb ibtsoom Hmoob kom sawvdaws paub coj thiab ntse thiab paub
hais lus kom sawvdaws yuav taus. Yog thaum muaj 4-5 leeg los zaum sibtham
txog txojkev ua thawjcoj thiab coj pejxeem, thiab hais lus, kuv ntseeg hais
tias yeej yuav muaj chaw mus xwb.
Nco ntsoov hais tias Hmoob tsis muaj caij sib cav, sib ceg lawm. Tsis
txhob txhawj txog lwm tus neeg cem yus lawm. Peb yuavtsum khaws lwm tus
neeg cov lus cem ntawv los ua ibqho kev kawm xwb. Tsis txhob khaws ua
ibqho kev chim.
Yog muaj dabtsi no qhia kuv, kuv txaus siab yuav nrog koj tham txhua txhua
yam. Vim tseem yog ibqho kev kawm rau kuv xwb.
rua...@hotmail.com
> Born2beHmong
>
> Kuv khuj tsis paub hais tias tus koj nrog tham yavtag los puas yog kuv.
> Seb koj ho tau nrog kuv tham nyob rau qhovtwg losyog lub forum twg.
> Thovtxim uas kuv tsis ncoqab kojlawm.
>
> Koj cov posted kuv tsis tau mus nyeem li vim kuv nyuamqhuav paub txog lub
> forum no xwb. Koj cov lus koj yeej hais yog kawg li lawm. Kuv xav hais
> tias tus neeg txawj hais lus li koj ko yuavtsum tau los nrhiav kev
> qhuabqhia peb ibtsoom Hmoob kom sawvdaws paub coj thiab ntse thiab paub
> hais lus kom sawvdaws yuav taus. Yog thaum muaj 4-5 leeg los zaum sibtham
> txog txojkev ua thawjcoj thiab coj pejxeem, thiab hais lus, kuv ntseeg hais
> tias yeej yuav muaj chaw mus xwb.
>
> Nco ntsoov hais tias Hmoob tsis muaj caij sib cav, sib ceg lawm. Tsis
> txhob txhawj txog lwm tus neeg cem yus lawm. Peb yuavtsum khaws lwm tus
> neeg cov lus cem ntawv los ua ibqho kev kawm xwb. Tsis txhob khaws ua
> ibqho kev chim.
>
> Yog muaj dabtsi no qhia kuv, kuv txaus siab yuav nrog koj tham txhua txhua
> yam. Vim tseem yog ibqho kev kawm rau kuv xwb.
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Cov Yawg,
Peb yuav cas thiaj tsis tuaj sib cav hauv no na, tib cov ntse ntse
txawj hais pim hais qau xwb ne.
Dr. Pao xwb es nej twb niam txawj txawj tias luag yuav tib leeg ua tau
teb chaws diam ne. Teev, ib tug business owner, wb es niam hais lus
cuag ib tug lawyer ned? Nej hais peb puas yog neeg ntse. Tshaj cov
no ces yog nyuj thiab twm lawm xwb.
Kuv tsis nco tias Hmoob 99% yuav txawj txog Dr. Pao cov kasmoos los
sad. Teev los ntse kawg zoo li tseem paub legal proceedings zoo dua
cov practicing attorney lawm thiab no mas zoo li peb Hmoob mus deb
tiag tiag li lawm.
Peb cov tuaj hauv no ces, including kuv, qhov peb tseem tsis tau paub
txaus ces tsuas yog Vaajmoob cov kev sib aim, kev yaim pim, yaim qau
xwb os. Sawv daws kav tsij tuaj tham kom ntshav txhob siab siab tiam
sis thov tseg tw me ntsis thiab es peb thiaj nquag tuaj ntxiv.
Ruamuag
Pao
Nej yuav tau stick to the ISSUE.
Teev tau muaj allegations rau kuv ntau yam uas tsis muaj tseeb. So, it
is only right that I challenge Teev accordingly.
There is no animosity here.
Kuv thiaj challenge kom Teev produce nws cov evidence tawm los support
Teev tej lus nws liav txog kuv. Nej sawdaws mam ua cov jury. So far,
Teev has NOT produce any verifiable evidence... but jump in up and
down only!
Let me REPEAT, Kuv daim post yeej hais TSEEB tseeb li no:
<Teev,
Can YOU elaborate how I co-opted to work with violent groups? Which
violent groups? How, when, what do I do? Yog kuv yog neeg phem, neeg
nkaus li koj mas, kuv twb sue koj for defamation already, my friend!
Tabsis yus yog Hmoob tibyam es ho hlub lub nyuiav qhov muag thiab. >>
(end of quote)>
Yog Teev tsis paub nyeem ntawv Hmoob, nej kuj pab translate cov ntsiab
lus rau nws es kom nws nkag siab ua ntej nws yuav mus conter-sue li ub
lino. So where is the treat, where is the bluff?
Hais txog Teev nqe lus nyob nqe " (e) Your threat amounted to
intellectual repression and censorship since you are an administrator
of SCH.".
Firstly, Where is the treat?
Secondly, what is that stuff about "intellectual repression and
censorship"? Qhov no yog Teev TSEEM TSIS NKAG SIAB TXOG SCH. SCH
tsis muaj owner, TSIS MUAJ ADMINISTRATOR. Kuv TSIS YOG tus
adminstrator!! (I am NOT the administrator of SCH - So, where Teev get
that idea from? Just pure ignorance?). SCH yog ib lub Usenet
UNMODRATED forum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
Regards to all,
Pao
Still hunting Croc!
Thorn...@yahoo.com
> yeej tsis muaj sibthuam, sibceg. Luag sibcav txog tswvyim sibpab, sibkho,
> thiab pauv tswvyim xwb. Tabsis kuv txog rau Hmoob cov forum mas tsuas hais
> txog sibceg, sibthuam, thiab sib ntxub xwb. Yeej tsis muaj qhov yuav los
> sibtham kom muaj kev sib haumxeeb li.
Raw le kuv tug laug nuav xav hab pum xwb mas vim tas peb cov Moob tug
sub luj hab nyav dlau hwv lawm peb txham le muaj ntau paab ntau pawg
ua luaj le hab has lug tsis sis hum, tej zag mej cov hluas tug paub
los yuav paub lawm kuas tug tsis paub los yuav tsis tau paub txug peb
Moob lub sab lim ham kws nyob puag nruab tiv kws ua rua coob tug
ordinary pej xeem Moob raug tsuj hab raug tua yaam tsis muaj kev
txhum, yog le hov tej vij sub hov txhaj le kais moog nkaag rua tej tub
tej kiv sab ntswg yog le peb thaj le muaj caub muaj chim ib txheej
dlhau ib txheej lug txug naj nub nuav los tseem lub sab quj qawv xav
muab tug sau hov rhu tawm and here is only place Moob could release,
koj muab peb pev rua luag lwm pawg mas yuav tsis zoo sis xws vim tas
each had experienced differently, hab kuv ntseeg tas luag lwm haiv
tuab neeg luag tej thawj coj tsis muaj txuj kev caub nyeej nuav luj
npaum le yug cov Moob, qhov zoo kws kuv pum peb tuaj huv nuav mas yog
peb tsis yog sis tshe hua yog peb taab tom implement democracy xwb
nawb, yog has tas has nyuag nyob le nuav xwb mej tub tshee tshee lawm
es mej cov nim naj nub quaj hab hu cuag nom liv nyug hu kuas Moob moog
nraav teb chaw Moob es mej yuav ua le caag pav poos tau mej lub teb
chaws nua maj. Kuv tug laug nua mas tsis muaj kev kawm txawj le mej
cov hluas kuas kuv xav mas tej nyuag nuav xwb taab tom yog ib qhov
practicum kuas mej muaj experience xwb nav, don't think too nigative,
thaw twg yog mej kawm pass mej qhov practicum huv nuav lawm mas tham
le yuav kab moog coj Moob nawb vim peb Moob tam nuav tsis ruag le peb
cov laug nuav lawm ov.
Thorn...@yahoo.com
Tam le kuv saib mas muaj ntau qhov points Teev raised rua koj, koj
pheej tsis kam teb ncaaj ncaaj yog le Teev txham le nug koj tsij tsij
thaum zoo le nuav ces koj txawm lose control ces koj txawm tsis tsham
meej pem lawm xwb, kav tsij rov moog nyeem ntau qhov issues kws Teev
raised es teb rua peb nov, kuv xav mas Teev yeej raised yaam puav
issues kws tsim nyog ib tug tuab neeg kws muaj zoo laj fab toob fab le
ko yuav tsis txhob ignore lawm, example ces koj moog teb dlaim kws kuv
rov posted muaj lub title tas "dr pao don't ignore" nua tso mam le has
lwm yaam.
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noogdlej
Dony hais yog lawm. Tej zaum koj niamqhuav tuaj tshiab koj tseem tsis
tau paub lub forum no zoo pestsawg koj thiaj li tseem feel very
"fresh" xwb. Tsis ntev tom ntej no ces koj yuav yog ib tus ua txawj
txawj hais cov lus zoo mloog li sawvdaws hauv no thiab. Cov lus ua
peb hais hais hauv no mas nws muaj taug nawb thiab nws kis zoo
heev.....why? Rau qhov cov neeg sawvdaws yog neeg tib yam. Tus ruam
tus ntse, tus yuav kawm ntawv siab kawm ntawv qis npaum twg los yeej
muaj siab muaj ntsws, muaj ntiv tes ntau ntawv tib yam. Koj xa koj
lub nrig tuaj ntaub ib tug twg lawm ces nws yeej yuav xaa nws lub
"nrig tsis muaj duab ntxoo" tuaj rau koj li tiag.....koj sim sim mus
saib. Tus neeg hais lus zoo npaum peb tus tijlauj B2BH los yeej mas
peb niag nkauj Zhen muab xa xa ua taub hau lem tas.....thaum kawg cia
li txawj hai "q" hais "p" tuaj li lawm thiab.
Ua li koj hais, yog qhov zoo ces muab txhua los coj los ua kev kawm
ces yus yeej yuav loj hlob tabsi, qhov yus xav thiab qhov yus ua mas
nws txawv lawm deb vim yus tseem yog neeg thiab tseem muaj lub siab
khib, sib ntshaw, siab nyiam thiab the main thing yog yus tus "EGO"
na.............
Noogdlej
On Mar 3, 6:52 pm, "nraugjuag" <nraugj...@talk.gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
>
> kuv xav paub seb Dr. Pao puas yog ibtug doctor tiag tias. Yog nws yog ib
> tug doctor tiag tiag no nws yeej yuav tsis muaj sijhawm tuaj nrog cov
> neeg
> nyob hauvno sibcav. Nws lub sijhawm yuav cia los mus pab neeg lawm xwb.
> Thiab uacas nws tseem hais lus li ibtug neeg tsis paub qabhau dabtsi li.
>
> --
noogdlej
Dr. Pao,
Koj puas paub haistias peb cov nyob hauv no, leejtwg los yeej xav xav
nrog koj hov kub kawg nkaus li. Ua siab loj mog....koj sim mus saiv
Suav cov movie tuaj ntaj seb, yog tus phabej twg tshajlij heev thiab
nto hmoo lug rau rab ntaj twg mas, leej twg los yeej xav tuaj sim tua
nws rab ntaj seb heev npaum li cas xwb.........yus yog ib tus neeg
txawj neeg ntse lawm yeej yuav raug sim kub ntau npluav, tabsi li cas
los always carry yourself like a professional.....like they
say....."you can get in the last word of an argument if you're the one
who apologizes."
Teev thiab Dr. Pao, tus neeg twg, yog txawj txo hwjchim thiab pom nws
qhov txhaum tus ntawd yog tus uas muaj yeej. Tabsi, yuav tsum muaj
tej kev sib do li nej do no peb thiaj muaj kev kawm. I am actually
really enjoying the rides very much.........keep up the arguments they
are very exciting.......heeeheeeheee
Noogdlej
On Mar 4, 6:58 pm, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
Born2beHmong
koj hais li, es kuv twb tsi tau nrog Zhen ua rog loj ib zaug li
ned...Zhen mas yeej tshum ntau zaag kawg le lawm hab, tabsi kuv tsi
kam lees mus caum nws qab xwb hod.
tau ib ntu no, seb koj puas kam tseem Hlub Zhen zoo npaum li qub thaum
ub xwb tiag. ntu no tsi pom Zhen lawm, ntshe nws muaj kam ntau yam
lawm laud__ua li cas kuv tsi pom Vaajmoob li lawm thiab, tsi yog ntau
ntau Kub phib tag ces cias li mus nyob tus xobpus lawm los cas ned...
es Kuv yawm Sib ned, tseem pom nws post tom SCL nad, ua li cas tsi pom
nws tham hauv SCH no li lawm thiab.
nraugjuag,
kev tham muaj ntau yam peb tseem yuav sib kawm, ua tsaug rau koj cov
lus txhawb lub zog. kuv los yeej xav kom ntsib ntej cov phoojywg
thiab tham txog hmoob lub neej kawg li thiab, tabsi zoo li peb lub
caij lub nyoo tsi zoo li siab xav li xwb, vim busy dhau rau haujlwm
hwv lawm.
Born2beMhong
tseemyeej
On Mar 4, 8:17 pm, Thornsp...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Dr Pao,
> Tam le kuv saib mas muaj ntau qhov points Teev raised rua koj, koj
> pheej tsis kam teb ncaaj ncaaj yog le Teev txham le nug koj tsij tsij
> thaum zoo le nuav ces koj txawm lose control ces koj txawm tsis tsham
> meej pem lawm xwb, kav tsij rov moog nyeem ntau qhov issues kws Teev
> raised es teb rua peb nov, kuv xav mas Teev yeej raised yaam puav
> issues kws tsim nyog ib tug tuab neeg kws muaj zoo laj fab toob fab le
> ko yuav tsis txhob ignore lawm, example ces koj moog teb dlaim kws kuv
> rov posted muaj lub title tas "dr pao don't ignore" nua tso mam le has
> lwm yaam.
I know my old friend pretty well. He'll do or say anything for his own
fame. Look, ib tug neeg claims tias hlub hmoob tabsis qaim raws 2 daig
nploojtsawb, no txhais hais li cas maj?
TseemYeej.
xoblai...@yahoo.com
>
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cov yawg thiab cov pog,
Nej ntshai ua tus dab tsi ma cia Dr. Pao thiab Teev nkawv sib ntxuav
dev rau peb saib seb nkawv heev npaum cas? Tam kuv saib mas nej cov
tuaj hauv no tseem hlub Hmoob tsis tau txaus es nej thiaj ntshai tsam
Dr. Pao thiab Teev nkawv ib tug tav ntuag. Yog nej tsis ua teb zoo
nyeem nkawv cov lus mas zoo li nkawv ib leeg nyob rau ib lub ntuj tab
sis yog nej ua tib zoo nyeem zoo-oo mas nkawv kuj yog hais tau chwv
pliag lub pob caus lawm ntag.
Kuv kom Dr. Pao foob kiag Teev li Chenny Yang foob Xeng Xiong thiab
John Ying Her lawv xwb. Yog Dr. Pao thiab Teev lawv cov no hais tau ua
tsis tau ces lawv yog menyuam yaus. Qhov loj ces Dr. Pao pom xeeb qhib
tau qhov ncauj li ntawd lawm ces ua kiag xwb, yog ua tsis taus ces
tsis thas khav tias yog doctor li zoo dua. Saib Teev cov lus mas yam
li Teev yeej tsis ntshai Dr. Pao li od, yog Dr. Pao ua tiag tuaj ces
Teev yeej txheem nkaus. Thaum ntawd mas yuav muaj ceem heev...sub sum,
sub sum Dr. Pao ua tiag nawj. Txhob ua tug niag tuag e tsam ho poob
koob ces thaum ntawd tau kev txaj muag.
noogdlej
Yog lawm, koj yeej tsis tau nrog niag pog zhen ua rog loj tiamsi hais
txog rog me ces yeej mag ziag puav lawm thiab. Kuv los tib yam, cov
rog me ces yeej raug hov kub ob peb zaug lawm thiab. Tiam si tej me
no yog kev kawm xwb, tsi yog teebmeem........kuv tsua hais li ntawd
rau nraugjuag kom nws siab txhob me me xwb, txhob xav li ca mog.
Hais txog tijlaug Mhongsib, ntshe yog nws dhuav dhuav nrog zhen sib
ntsuag zog txom cov niag mungntsuab es nws mus so hlwb lawm xwb. Tej
zaum tsis ntev nws yuav tuaj.........majmam tso dej rau nws yeej yuav
tsum tawm xwb...hahahahaha
noogdlej
Yog pom hluav taws cig lawm yuav tsum nrhiav dej tua xwb sav......ua
cas koj ho tseem yuav txhib taws ntxiv kom kub loj tshaj ma. Hais
txog hlub Mhong mas thaum nqis tes tuaj leejtwg los yuav nyob ib cag
ntsia xwb. Ib tiam neeg twg, nws yeej tsuas muaj ib ob tug thiaj muaj
peevxwm los ua tau qhov dejnum tshwjxeeb uas coj tau ib paab tibneeg
xwb. Yog yus tsi yog tus neeg tshwjxeeb ntawd, ces yeej khib khib yus
kawg vim yus tsi muaj peevxwm txaus. Tug neeg uas tsis muaj txha caj
nqaum ntawd yeej los nyob tsi cag ntsia thiab tsum tus uas nqis tes
xwb.......puas yog?
Just like watching a sport game such as soccer or football.......yus
yog tus ntsia mas yus yeej qw taszaj taszog kom ncaws li ub li no, kom
khiav li ub li no thiab pov mus rau tus ub tus no......yus nyob yus ib
cag los yus yeej qw qw qw qa qhuav tas. Tej thaum lawv ncaws mus tsi
ncaj mas yus yeej chim cuag xav tsuj neeg tim no tuaj. Thaum yus pab
swb kiag lawm mas, yog yus tuv nyiaj ntau mas, yeej xav mus daituag
puas yog?
Noogdlej
nkaujtsaglig
Ua cas txawj hais ua luaj. Yog lawm tiag, yog yus yog phabej mas yeej
yuav muaj laib tuaj caum xwb. Pog laib los yeej yuav xav tuaj nrhiav
deev thiab txeeb kiag ntawm nasej txhais tes xwb. Uab lag yeej ya tib
leeg xwb, tsuas yog cov niag turkey ruam es thiaj yas tsis taus es
thiaj nkag hauv av tsheej pab ua lagtas xwb.
nkaujtshaglig
xoblai...@yahoo.com
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Noogdlej,
Koj ntshai lod? Ntshai ces txav kev deb xwb tiag. Vim xav pom seb Dr.
Pao thiab Teev lawv cov neeg txawj neeg ntse no lawv pom xeeb hais tau
muaj ceem tag npaum li ntawd lawm, ua li lawv puas yuav muaj tsab peev
xwm ua tau li lawv hais? Yog lawv hais tau ua tsis tau ces tej zaum
lawv txawj xwb tsis ntse, koj hais puas yog? Yog li ntawd kuv thiaj
txhaub kom nkawv ua tiag tiag.
Yuav kom kuv qhuas mas yuav tsum ua tau li yawg Lauj Tsab Thoj, hais
tau ua tau rau sawvdaws pom kiag ntawm qhov muag, coj tau kiag peb
Hmoob tus nai phoo VP mus nkag qhov taub. Txawm yog nws ho ua tau seem
tsis zoo rau VP lawm los nws hais tau nws ua tau tiag.
Yog hais tias cov neeg khav-v ntse li Dr. Pao thiab Teev lawv cov no
es hais tawm tau ntawm qhov ncauj xwb tes taw ua tsis tau ces tsum
kiag tsis txhob hais rau peb nriaj tog qaus pes hnov zoo dua, koj hais
puas yog li kuv hais ma? Thiab yog hais tias tej yam me-e li no, yog
Dr. Pao thiab Teev lawv twb tsis muaj cuab kav sib hais kom muaj chaw
txawb chaw rau los yog sib foob li Dr. Pao hais rau Teev ntawd kom
muaj yeej muaj swb ces tsis thas hais txog qhov yuav mus xub nrog
Nplogliab los sis foob tau Nplogliab quav ci noj. Nej xav seb puas yog
li kuv hais?
Born2beHmong
hais txog ntawm wb cov lus ces yog lam hais ntxias seb puas pom Zhen
thiab Yawmsib nkawv tawm tuaj xwb. tabsi zoo li kuv twb pom yawmsib ib
post lawm.. tsi muaj dabtsi, twb yog xav xav tham lus es thiaj li tham
miv miv kom tau tham nrog koj seb koj hos xav li cas xwb.
tabsi yog hais txog ntawm Xoblaimplaws, koj txhob poob siab nawb...tus
neeg no nws tso pamthawj nraus xwb, nws yeej muaj nws ib cov neeg
nyiam nyiam saib tej no thiab yeej tsi kam kho txoj kev haumxeeb li.
tsi tag li, luag tej me professional soccer thiab football..luag muaj
code of ethics...txawm yuav sib nruas ua pov pe nrees los, tus referee
los kem kiag xwb ces nyias yeej mus lawm tus ntsej muag ntsaus ntsho
xwb. tsuas yog peb haiv niag hmoob/moob no es thiaj li ua cuag li
Xoblaimplaws ua es mus zaum kiag "the middle of the field" thiab tseem
kawv nqw baseballs thiab phom es yuav tua tus ub tus no xwb nawb.
yog li txhob poob siab rau cov neeg tsi muaj ethics and principle no
li....
Born2beMhong
Thorn...@yahoo.com
> thiab Yawmsib nkawv tawm tuaj xwb.
Kwv yees le thaum lub 2 hli ntuj yuav xaus nuav kuv tuaj moog qaum teb
kuv tub nov puab has tas koj tug puj zhen tawm moog txawv teb chaws
lawm tej zag yuav yog ze thaaj tsam lub 4 hli ntuj los sis 4 hli nraab
hov nwg mav lug nuav nawj es koj xob ncu ncu nwg, tej zaag vaajmoob
tseem coj nwg moog ua thivniv huav cruise honey moon out country lawm
xwb, sim mloog moog saib lub timing pua thwj nawb.
nraugjuag
Kuv mloog mas nej sawvdaws yeej muaj peevxwm thiab tswvyim zoo kawg li
lawm, qhov phem qhov zoo sawvdaws yeej hais yog tag li lawm. Tabsis ibqho
kuv pom sawvdaws ua mas yog tuaj sibcav hauvno mas sibzog kawg nkaus li.
Yeej yuav ua kom ibtug muaj yeej hos ibtug muaj swb xwb. Yog peb sawvdaws
sib pab kho haiv Hmoob sibzog baum li tuaj sibcav hauvno mas peb hmoob yeej
mus deb heev li lawm. Kuv pom tau hais tias nej sawvdaws yeej muaj tswvyim
zoo los kho peb haivhmoob. Kuv thov kom nej sawvdaws nrog xav txog tejno
thiab. Qhovno thiaj li yuav muaj ntxiaj ntsim rau nej sawvdaws. Tuaj
sibcav hauvno, koj tseem yog tus yeej los yeej tsis muaj ntxiaj ntsim
dabtsi rau koj. Kuv tseem swb lawm los yeej tsis muaj ntxiaj ntsim rau
kuv. Uatsaug
Born2beHmong
tej zaum koj tseem tsi nrog mhoob ua haujlwm face to face duas los,
nyob rau tom mhoob community, peb haivneeg no tseem tsawg tsawg--koj
yuav saib dej ua ntu, neeg ua nphlu. koj yuav fwm niam fwm txiv, fwm
kwv fwm tij, fwm neej fwm tsav... ces tsi zoo hais cov lus tag tag li
peb tham hauv SCH ned.
yog nhub twg peb tsi txhob muab tej no coj los lob txog thiab tham es
yuav muaj txoj kev tusiab lawm mas--tsi nyuab li ntag. nyob li peb
cov hlua niam no, yog tham tom tej vaj tej tsev peb tsi lam tham ntau
ntau nawb, tabsi txog kiag saum lub rooj sablaj lawm--yog leej twg tsi
xav nhov ces txhob rau tes xwb. peb hais ncaj nraim li peb tham hauv
SCH no ntag. tabsi li kuv hais tag rau koj los lawm os, 3hmoobruam
ces tseem tsi paub sib fwm lus thiab mloog lwm tus cov lus hais li
ned. peb tsua ua thiab xav kiag li peb lub siab qhia peb xwb...hos
koj muaj kwvtij coob ces koj yog tus kav xwb ntag.
hmoob mas tshuav ntev nawb, yog yuav hais los txog zaj ua yuav kho
hmoob no tiag os.
Born2beMhong
tseemyeej
Kuv xav mas, peb twb sib zog kho npaum no lawm los peb tseem KHO tsis
tag cov neeg PHEM tejsiab tejntsws nav. Yog peb tseem pheej NPOG thiav
CHEEM xwb no ntshe yuav tsis muaj hnub kho tau li nawb.
About Pao and Teev, peb yuav tau tso nkawd sib ntsuas zog kom kawg
thiaj paub leej twg hais yog thiab tsis yog. Years ago, 2003, muaj ib
pab neeg, specially, tus hu ua Kentt6 no, a former classmate, roommate
and teammate of mine, nws tau tawm tuaj thuam txog kuv family yam tsis
txuag ib qho li, tab sis kuv nyuam qhua warmed up xwb nws twb tsa chij
dawb lawm thiab tsis kam rov tuaj ib zaug ntxiv li lawm.
Here is another case, ncaimtseemnco, nws mas nim rho loos Quincy phau
me ntawv los piv hais npaum ub npaum no, thaum kawg kuj nyoo lo lua
thiab. Tomqab no, kuv mus ntsib kiag nws tij laug thiab nws tus phauj
nyob Nplogteb, peb sib tham txog cov lus no, nkawd tau teb kuv tias
tsis muaj tseeb, nkawd txaj muag kawg nkaus rau kuv tias ua cas
ncaimtseemnco yuav lam rhuav peb tej kevneej kevtsav.
Hahaha ..nyuj tsis pom nyuj ntab ces yog tej no tiag. We all need to
have a mutual respect in order to be able to live in harmony.
TseemYeej.
nraugjuag
Koj yeej hais yog lawm. Tos kuv pheej hais li los kuv yeej ibtxwm tsis
tau ua haujlwm pab Hmoob thiab tsis tau nrog Hmoob ua haujlwm uake txog
Hmoob tej haujlwm li. Yog li kuv thiaj tsis paub zoo txog Hmoob lubsiab
thiab Hmoob txojkev xav thiab txojkev coj.
Xyoo no yog thawj thawj zaug uas kuv tau los mus volunteer ua haujlwm rau
Hmoob nyob rau ntawm lub nroog kuv nyob no. Yog li kuv tseem niajhnub
research txog qhov haujlwm uas kuv yuav ua no. Thiab kuv yuav ncontsoov
koj cov lus. Thiab yuav khaws tagnrho nej sawvdaws cov lus thiab cov
tswvyim los mus ua ibqho kev kawm. Nws yog ibqho zoo kawg nkaus uas yuav
pab rau kuv.
Yog koj twb yog ibtug tau ua dua haujlwm pab Hmoob los lawm. Qhia ntxiv
txog tej tswvyim ntawv pub rau kuv thiab puas tau.
Uatsaug ntau.
Nraugjuag
rua...@hotmail.com
> Born2beHmong
>
> Koj yeej hais yog lawm. Tos kuv pheej hais li los kuv yeej ibtxwm tsis
> tau ua haujlwm pab Hmoob thiab tsis tau nrog Hmoob ua haujlwm uake txog
> Hmoob tej haujlwm li. Yog li kuv thiaj tsis paub zoo txog Hmoob lubsiab
> thiab Hmoob txojkev xav thiab txojkev coj.
>
> Xyoo no yog thawj thawj zaug uas kuv tau los mus volunteer ua haujlwm rau
> Hmoob nyob rau ntawm lub nroog kuv nyob no. Yog li kuv tseem niajhnub
> research txog qhov haujlwm uas kuv yuav ua no. Thiab kuv yuav ncontsoov
> koj cov lus. Thiab yuav khaws tagnrho nej sawvdaws cov lus thiab cov
> tswvyim los mus ua ibqho kev kawm. Nws yog ibqho zoo kawg nkaus uas yuav
> pab rau kuv.
>
> Yog koj twb yog ibtug tau ua dua haujlwm pab Hmoob los lawm. Qhia ntxiv
> txog tej tswvyim ntawv pub rau kuv thiab puas tau.
>
> Uatsaug ntau.
>
> Nraugjuag
>
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noj luag qau" no ces ua taus hauj lwm nrog Hmoob los mas.
Hmoob los yeej tsis txawv luag lwm haiv neeg ntau os. Tsuas yog yus
cov neeg tsawg tsawg es whatever happen to an individual or the
community ces peb sawv daws paub tag li lawm es zoo li peb niam txawv
tshaj luag lwm haiv neeg xwb os.
Ruamuag
zhen
trying to disguise his infant cry.
what a stupid idiot, he wants someone to sue him so he can take
action? does that even make sense to you mung people? or are you mung
people too mungkey-up?
if teev the magnificient moron can incriminate all the bad elements,
why should he be provoked? just do it. be a true leader, pioneer,
forerunner. do it. yeah get nike's support too.
stick to the issue. stop throwing your munkey wrench in and say, do A,
so i will do B, and then we will c C, so that the world will have D.
fuck off moron. you got shit.
i like the name dony, with a k, it's donky, as in iv om.
zhen
noovdlev is stupid. don't hmind her.
you and mhoobsib were the last 2 remaining from the zhen-scorched SCH
from yesteryear. but hmoobsib decided to turn to the dark side, and
even perpetrated a transparent roundabout assault with my dawwg
against me.
in the end, it was you, and you alone, and you in solitude, to this
day, that remains untainted and unscathed by hails of vulgarity,
profanity, and dawwgy language.
but still, you are stupid.
but still, perceptive. me got to go kam ntau yam. be good, and throw
my dawg a bone every now and then. if he bites, i got the camera
rollin', all misdeeds shall be rectified.
peace out, stay strong stay mhong.
zhen
'mutual respect'. i don't think anyone except for the mung subgroup
will listen to you bark.
xob mob mob siab, phaj txawb tso cai tsob phev rau qhov viv tib yam.
amen.
xob khib khib yuav tuag ov. mob mob no yij meem tuaj teb cem kuv mam
li rov qab tuaj 2-3 ntus tso tshuaj ntshav pim rau koj haus os mog.
my predictable dawwgy, trying to broker peace with barks.
noogdlej
Koj sim ntsia seb, txawm yog phem li no kuv thiaj hais rau koj tias,
tus neeg twg txawm yuav coj tus npaum twg thiab xov tob npaum twg los
yog muaj cov uas txia txia kua li niag pog zhen no nyob sib xyaw nrog
ces ib miv ntsiv yus nyob yus los tej me ntiv tes txawm txawj mus nias
tej nyuag npe ntawv ntsim ntsim siab tuaj li tiag.....hahahahahaa
Born,
Koj ntsia saib, tsam no wb nyuag poj zhen tawm tuaj ua cuag poj qaib
tshov lauv tuaj lawm tiag lau. Ua cas yuav yoojyim dib neeg ua luaj.
tuaj tom no yoj tes xwb twb tsis tas xuav kauv yus tus me pet txawm
siv khiav cuag yus nqa qhobnoom tuaj txias lawm
tiag......heeheeeheeee........
noogdlej
noogdlej
Peb cov nam mung ntsuab nuav yeej txawj txawj tshev tuabneeg hab tabsi
peb le peb tsi nyam khaws kev chim ntev ntev ca, vim kev chim txawj ua
rua tuabneeg muaj mob hab laug sai heev. Yog yuav has lug phem kws
tshev tug ub tug nua xwb mas leejtwg los tsi taag xyum le, lug phem
mas yog ib yaam lug yoojyim has hab tsi muaj nrim le, tabsi peb choose
to not say it.
Tabsi abyab......ca koj yim meem has koj luas mas, rua qhov yog tsi
muaj tug has lug phem es tsuas muaj has lug zoo xwb ces ntshe peb lub
SCH nuav yuav boring heev. Tug character kws koj create rua koj tug
kheej nyob SCH mas koj yeej create tau muaj ceem kawg nkaus. However,
kuv paub zoo hastas, the real zhen yuav tsum yog ib tug very special
person. I have been gone for a little while tiamsi yeej nco ntsoov
nej txhua tus. Zoo siab tau txuas lus nrog koj. Zoo siab ua koj
tseem nyob zoo. Lwm zaus mam tuaj nrog koj hov kub......pick a good
topic!
Ua li B2BMH hais, xav dib kom koj tawm tuaj es tau txuas lus
xwb.......
Noogdlej
tseemyeej
On Mar 7, 3:27 pm, noogdlej <dlai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Niag maum zhen aka zab es,
At first, most of SCHers thought zhen was a super genius, but after a
while, he is out of control and the best he can do is tsuag ntshavpim
all over the place. Hahaha...What a self-destructive ostrich, is he!
No big deal!
Have a good weekend,
TseemYeej.
noogdlej
Niag pog zhen ntawd, thaum pib kiag xwb, yeej pom tiams nws shallow
npaum twg lawm. Tus neeg ntse yeej tswj tau nws tus kheej tiamsi
zhen can't even control his own fingers......haahahahahaha
You have a great weekend too.
Noogdlej
tee...@hotmail.com
So, you feel that letting someone like Dr. Pao threaten me without
defending myself is leadership. This is a leadership principle that is
surely alien to earthlings. To any sane person, one needs to take a
stand where serious human principles are violated, in particular
taking a stand against people who behave as if they were ordained to
trample on others through threat and intimidation.
I must admit though that I am not certain as to exactly what
leadership is. Moreover, I do not claim to have possessed it. So,
educate me on what leadership is. I might learn a thing or two.
In my view, you should have cautioned Dr. Pao not to threaten me or
anyone else as SCH is a forum for public discourse, which I do not
think I have abused its rules or purpose. If you have done so, I would
have credited you with some wisdom.
In this case, you felt hurt because I did not kneel on my knees. If
this is your expectation, you will feel disappointed times and again
because I have no plan to drop my pants, not now and not in the
future.
If you wish to have a serious discourse on leadership, despite my
shortcomings, I will gladly oblige.
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
Well meaning in what you said, but you were worried too much. A little
litmus test on Dr. Pao is not a bad idea. He will learn that threat
does not work.
As I said repeatedly in SCH, we all should be able to discuss
difficult issues. Anything we say in here, aside form private
matters, is not legally actionable. Remember though that private
matters that have bearing on the public are public matters. Any person
who is contemplating legal threat as a tactic in any discussion in SCH
should have opted out in the first place. Only in such case will the
participants of SCH be free to express their views and opinions, no
matter how strong they may be.
In my view, this is a good place to practice the art of democracy as
everyone seems to embrace. By keeping silent for fear of controversy,
we are not helping ourselves with democracy. A little bit of practice
is good for all of us. Whatever we do here now is minor compared to
the tough calls we may need to do in the future.
So, do not worry much.
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
Are you saying that you have not been around in the last 30 years or
so?
Teev
On Mar 3, 1:59 pm, tsujsuadl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> teev..
>
> am i missing something? when was vp pronouced "guilty" as a "violent"
> person...? to say that pao supported a "violent" group has no basis
> because the "violent intention against the patriat act (as of now)" is
> only an accusation....
>
> yaweh
tee...@hotmail.com
I beg to disagree with your view. When a person disagrees with or
disapproves of another person's view or position, it may have
absolutely nothing to do with "hatred" for the person. For example, I
have disagreed and disapproved very strongly with VP's policy and Dr.
Pao's position. However, I have absolutely no hatred for either man. I
think we all need to outgrow the presupposition that opposition or
difference is equal to hatred. If we cannot overcome this restriction,
we simply cannot deal with difficult issues.
For example, VP and Dr. Pao, for that matter, have been advancing the
idea of a Hmong nation. How could anyone possibly think about a Hmong
nation, if hatred becomes the modus operandi?
For example, when a leader is derelict of his duties, what will you do
then? If a leader abuses his power, what will you do? If a leader
becomes a murderer or a crook, what will you do? If a leader leads a
people to disaster, what will you do?
As a people, we cannot have high aspirations, if we are incapable of
providing a system of promotion for good performance and punishment
for abuses and failures. In my view, this is the weakest aspect in
Hmong society, which completely handicaps Hmong.
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
Honestly, I do not enjoy taking a tough position on anyone. However,
when we deal with matters of life and death, such as Hmong in the
jungle or Hmong in Pha Lak among whom many are close to me, I simply
feel that it is necessary to question the wisdom of those who have or
will put those unfortunate Hmong at risk?
If they are not happy with what I say or do, it is just too bad
because it is not my purpose to make them happy. My ultimate duty is
to protect those Hmong who are dear to me. I feel rather strong about
this. In fact, some colleagues and I have convinced many of our
families to accept resettlement in the last few years. If we had done
this much earelier, we could have saved many members who had perished
in prior years.
This is not the first time Dr. Pao and I have gone at each other. We
are two people of distinct differences. Dr. Pao wants to use Hmong for
his political agenda in Laos. I want to save as many Hmong as possible
from exploitation. When goals clash, stakeholders clash. This is
natural. Most people would have a hard time understand this.
Teev
On Mar 5, 2:14 am, noogdlej <dlai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dr. Pao,
> Teev thiab Dr. Pao, tus neeg twg, yog txawj txo hwjchim thiab pom nws
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
Teev,
I think you should reread B2BH's post again. You may have mistaken
his intent. I believe he's on your side on this. He is also saying
that Pao is like a little dog, all bark and no bite!
He is also saying that people like Pao don't possess the leadership
quality which I have time and again noticed. Pao has demonstrated
here many times of his concerns for Hmongs; he's concerned if they
lose a shoe, a dripping faucet and having to share spoons. Those are
the issues that Pao's concerned with. Those are Pao's definition of
Human Rights Abuse. lol
Yes, we laugh at that, but even that, Pao hasn't done anything about
them except bitch. He hasn't bought Hmongs in Thailand or Laos any
shoes, spoons or a bottle of water.
People like Pao can only lead the blind, the death and the dumb. Any
person with half an intellect of a mangy dog would not have Pao as a
leader.
Your friend,
Larry
tee...@hotmail.com
Actually, Dr. Pao has no legal basis to sue me, unless he wants to
waste his time and a lot of money. In that case, he might as well send
it to his boss who desperately needs it.
In New York, a frivolous case will be thrown out and the loser will
pay for all costs incurred. Since I am confident of my legal position,
I will make the costs very high.
I am a US citizen of good standing, there is no way a US judge in New
York will compromise my free speech right for an Australian. In New
York we criticize each other and our public officials far far worse
than anything I have said to Dr. Pao, all under our constitutional
guarantee and duty. When a judge sees that Dr. Pao and I engaged in
public debate, he will simply laugh at the case, if there is ever one.
Dr. Pao thought that he could frighten me into submission, he met a
solid wall, instead. Too bad for him. As far as I see, he already
played his last card. It is over.
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
You had already played your last card. If you had wished to debate,
then you should not have played your last card. Your only option left
now is to sue me. Anything else is meaningless and irrelevant. The
reality is, the game was over as soon as you threw in your last card,
i e. when you threatened me with a lawsuit, which was legally
impossible in this situation.
By the way, logically speaking, you resorted to legal threat because a
rational debate was no longer a plausible option for you within SCH. A
better choice would be, an approach that would have offered you
options in the future.
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
I could have mistaken, in that case, I apologize. However, I simply
did not wish to be denied my right to self-defense. Also self-defense
is not a criterion for determining leadership or wisdom. Rather, it is
simply an opportunity for a person to put forth his perspective and
position on an issue.
I have a history of taking strong positions on issues. Of course, if
not, I would not have been in SCH. As a result, unfamiliar people have
found my attitude shocking. In our culture, I can certainly understand
their feelings. Yet, it is feelings that we all need to overcome so we
can talk issues.
Thanks,
Teev
hav...@gmail.com
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.hmong/msg/343ad16ea7383fa5
========= Teev support Hmong nation ====
Teev Lis (May 19, 2002)
Universal Hmong Nation or Virtaul Hmong Nation) A group of Hmong have
been evaluating and working on the idea of a "Virtual Hmong Nation".
Leepao and I will co-author an essay on the subject and submit it for
publication in the near future. The idea is based on some simple
premises: (1) The Hmong Diasporas is global in nature. (2)
Globalization of economics and politics are knocking down national
barriers. (3) Political and economic integration will render all
peoples minorities. (4) National identity will become less important.
(5) Peoples can thus operate and interact in a global environment. (6)
The best prospect for any people is thus not the prerogatives based on
classic national barriers and identity. But it is based on the
capacity to harness the global resources in a global environment. (7)
As a global people, Hmong are already built into the global
environment. Hmong strategy must then be aimed at harnessing the
resources of the global environment to promote and sustain Hmong. (8)
The mechanism is a "Virtual Hmong Nation" or (I prefer) "Universal
Hmong nation" that will provide the infrastructure, leadership,
institutions and resources for Hmong to operate globally. In an
integrated global environment, Hmong need a drastic change in the way
Hmong see themselves and the rest the world. Hmong need to look at
Hmong on a universal basis. All different ideologies are set aside.
They are merely considered part of Hmong pluralism. The word Hmong
predominates everything. In this "Universal Hmong Nation", every Hmong
around the world is a good Hmong. He/she is included and welcome.
Teev
"Shoua Yang" <syang...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cb5bf79d.
020517131...@posting.google.com > My Fellow Hmong, > I wonder
how you have been thinking about our Hmong people in terms of >
problems. Now, what issues should be addressed? Speaking of social, >
political, and leadership structures, what have been our people's >
problems since we lost our kingdom many 1,000 yrs ago in China? What >
type of political structure has formed within our society? How >
decisions have been made in our nation? > Given the theme of
interdepedency in this century, should Hmong > worldwide be connected
through a system social, cultural, educational > exchanges? How will
we accomplish this goal? What form of public > policy and/or "ideas"
will link our Hmong worldwide together? > Your inputs are appreciated.
> SY -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
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Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:32:51 +0000 (UTC)
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Universal Hmong Nation (or Virtaul Hmong Nation)
A group of Hmong have been evaluating and working on the idea of a
"Virtual Hmong Nation". Leepao and I will co-author an essay on the
subject and submit it for publication in the near future. The idea is
based on some simple premises:
(1) The Hmong Diasporas is global in nature.
(2) Globalization of economics and politics are knocking down
national
barriers.
(3) Political and economic integration will render all peoples
minorities.
(4) National identity will become less important.
(5) Peoples can thus operate and interact in a global environment.
(6) The best prospect for any people is thus not the prerogatives
based
on classic national barriers and identity. But it is based on the
capacity to harness the global resources in a global environment.
(7) As a global people, Hmong are already built into the global
environment. Hmong strategy must then be aimed at harnessing the
resources of the global environment to promote and sustain Hmong.
(8) The mechanism is a "Virtual Hmong Nation" or (I prefer)
"Universal
Hmong nation" that will provide the infrastructure, leadership,
institutions and resources for Hmong to operate globally.
In an integrated global environment, Hmong need a drastic change in
the
way Hmong see themselves and the rest the world. Hmong need to look
at
Hmong on a universal basis. All different ideologies are set aside.
They
are merely considered part of Hmong pluralism. The word Hmong
predominates everything. In this "Universal Hmong Nation", every
Hmong
around the world is a good Hmong. He/she is included and welcome.
Teev
"Shoua Yang" <syang...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cb5bf79d.02051...@posting.google.com
> My Fellow Hmong,
> I wonder how you have been thinking about our Hmong people in terms of
> problems. Now, what issues should be addressed? Speaking of social,
> political, and leadership structures, what have been our people's
> problems since we lost our kingdom many 1,000 yrs ago in China? What
> type of political structure has formed within our society? How
> decisions have been made in our nation?
> Given the theme of interdepedency in this century, should Hmong
> worldwide be connected through a system social, cultural, educational
> exchanges? How will we accomplish this goal? What form of public
> policy and/or "ideas" will link our Hmong worldwide together?
> Your inputs are appreciated.
> SY
noogdlej
Ntawm no yog kev txhim kho. Vim koj tau hais rau B2BMh haistias koj
tseem kawm ua leader, kuv thiaj xav tias cia kuv lam pov kuv ob lub
npib liab rau. Yog hais tsis raug los hos cia nws nrog dlej tshoob
mus.....
Txhua yaam koj hais hauv no yeej ncig txog qhov koj hlub txog Mhong,
xav cawm thiab xav pab Mhong. Ntawm no yog ib qhov uas zoo. Ntawm no
yog txoj kev ciasiab ntawm peb haiv neeg tias tseem tshuav kev ciasiab
mog. Keep it up, tiamsi kuv xav tias, koj coj tau ceev me ntsis lawm
nawb. Yuav luag txhua nqi lus hauv peb qhov topic no, nws khi mus rau
koj tus kheej ntau heev.......me, me, me, me..... self defense, self
defense, self defense........he wants to sue me.........he can't sue
me because I am protected by my citizen etc....etc....etc.......he did
this he did that........
Tus neeg muaj kev hlub tiag, nws tsi xav txog nws tus kheej tshaj li
lwm tus. Nws tsi tuaj khav ntawm lub tshav rog haistias nws keej
npaub ub npaum no. Action shows more than words. Yuav coj ib haiv
neeg tsis yog ib tes dejnum yoojyim li sawvdaws txoj kev xav. It will
take a very special person that has a special unconditional love to
lead a nation. Nws siv, tswvyim, dagzog, siab loj siab ntev, muaj kev
txiavtxim siab tua taug neeg, thiab muaj lub siab mogmuas ua muaj
txojkev hlub loj heev thiab muaj txoj kev zam txim rau yam ua tsim
nyog zam. Thaum dub tuab yuav tsum dub npaum thee, thaum nkaus tuaj
yuav tsum nkaus npaum qau npua tiamsi thaum dawb tuaj yuav tsum dawb
npaum daim tsom iav uas pom tshab plawv rau neeg coj los siv tau saib
lawv qhov dub mog.
As a leader, good or bad, lawv lub homphiaj yeej yog los hlub neeg
thiab cawm neeg, cawm lawv tus kheej mus rau txhawb lawv tus kheej.
Human are not perfect. Txhua yam yus ua yeej muaj feem phem feem
zoo. Even Al Capone, thaum uas nws tau raug ntes kiag thiab coj mus
rau txim tuag, nws los lus kawg nws hais something like this, "
beneath this coat there is a weary heart, so kind, it cant never hurt
anyone." Yeej tsis muaj leejtwg kam lees qhov phem ua nws tau ua nawb
mog. Nyias tsuas pom nyias qhov zoo xwb.
Leejtwg txawm yuav hais heev npaum li cas los yeejmeem hais, saib qhov
yus ua puas reflect qhov yus hais xwb. GVP tes dejnum uas yav tas
los, yeej tsis khuab ntau tus neeg lub qhovmuag thiab yeej muaj ntau
tus neeg rov taw tuam ntuj lawm, tiamsi, ua neeg nyob, yus txawm ua
yus daim teb dav npaum twg los yog thaum qoob siav tsi pom qoob ces
txhais tau haistias, yus yeej tsi tau ua ib yam ab tsi. Txawm yus
daim teb me me xwb los yog thaum qoob siav tau qoob noj ces txhais
tias, yus yeej khwv kawg lawm. GVP cov qoob sawvdaws tau noj lawm
mog. Noj mov lawv yuav tsum ris moj txiaj lub cev thiaj loj hlob
thiab muaj zog. Tus neeg twg uas noj mov tsis ris mov txiaj ces tsi
ntev lub cev yuav qhuav zujzus mus thiab yeej yuav tuag mus.
I came across something about the freedom of speech that goes like
this...."remember, the U.S. Constitution guarantees free speech; it
doesn't however, guarantee freedom from the consequences."
Noogdlej
Pao
I have plenty of cards left... I have NOT even began to play any cards
yet!
I simple ask you to provide EVIDENCE to support your allegations:
Here, let focus on the real ISSUES again - don't run away from it..
This is exactly what I wrote on February 18.
{Teev,
Can YOU elaborate how I co-opted to work with violent groups? Which
violent groups? How, when, what do I do? Yog kuv yog neeg phem, neeg
nkaus li koj mas, kuv twb sue koj for defamation already, my friend!
Tabsis yus yog Hmoob tibyam es ho hlub lub nyuiav qhov muag thiab. }
Let me break it down the CONTENT of what I wrote:
1. Can YOU elaborate how I co-opted to work with violent groups? Which
violent groups? How, when, what do I do?
Teev .. so far you have NOT even provide any piece of evidence to
support your allegation. I have not been part of any violent group,. I
have not supported any violent group LIKE YOU. I have NOT contribute
any money to support VP court case yet BUT waht about YOU, Teev?
Teev, you would remember, your mind must still sound enough to
remember that last Summer, the Michigan Hmong had a Summer Festival,
and part of it was to ask for donation for the GVP's legal defense.
Teev, you were there and the organiser asked for YOUR contribution,
and I have heard that YOU HAD DONATE SOME MONEY TO THE GVP defense
fund! - so... Teev, have you or have you NOT donate money to support
GVP case? If you have not, that is OK (and I am in the wrong)... BUT
if YOU are donating money as I heard, it is obvious that YOU are
funding terrorism??
2. I wrote on February 18 that:
{Yog kuv yog neeg phem, neeg nkaus li koj mas, kuv twb sue koj for
defamation already, my friend! Tabsis yus yog Hmoob tibyam es ho hlub
lub nyuiav qhov muag thiab. }
Let me translate this statement for your benefit because it seems that
YOU do not read Hmong well.
1. {Yog kuv yog needg phem...} - "IF I am a BED person" - BUT I can
tell you an every one else that I WILL BOT be a bad person...
2. { neeg nkaus li koj mas, } - being a trouble making person - TO
this I am NOT...
3. { kuv twb sue koj for defamation already, my friend! } - I would
have sue you ALREADY....IF and a big IF I have your personality trai,
I would NOT even said anything in SCH here... I would have gone
straight to the Court ALREADY. BUT becasue I am a REASONALY person,
NOT a trouble making person, that is WHY I told you that I have NOT
sue you. IF I am like you, when YOU hearing the worrd "sue", you do
not even analyse what is said, YOU are ALREADY gone of the planet,
planning for a counter-sue me already... COV NEEG ZOO LI KOJ ES, YOG
NEEG ZOO, LOS YOG NEEG LI CAS?
SO.... I am still out hunting Croc... but STILL waiting for your
EVIDENCE to support your allegations.
But there is already some suggestion, as I stated above that YOU are
ALREADY SUPPORTING terrorist IF what I heard is true. I hope it is
NOT true. So, over to you...
Pao
tee...@hotmail.com
It is over. In any debate, once you resort to threat outside the
context of the debate, it is over. Everything else becomes
inconsequential and meaningless babbling.
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
If you owe VP a debt, please pay him. At this moment, he needs every
dollar that he can get.
It is inconceivable that you would impose your debt to VP on the rest
of the Hmong people and hold them hostage to your debt. Do you
actually wish Hmong or me to pay your bill to VP?
In my view, it is NOT Hmong who owe a debt to VP. Rather, it is VP who
OWES Hmong big time. It is he who has brought utter destruction and
disaster to Hmong. The calamity still continues today. It is he who
has screwed the Hmong people to no end. So, it is he who owes debt to
Hmong.
I take full responsibility for the consequences of my actions,
including my exercise of free speech. This is in fact a principle that
VP himself has proclaimed. For him, of course, it is merely a pretext
to exploit and extort from Hmong.
Again, if you owe VP, please pay him. But do not tell me that your
debt is my debt or someone's debt as well.
Teev
On Mar 8, 2:22 am, noogdlej <dlai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Teev,
Pao
Teev...es Teev.
You have lost big time! You make the allegations against me but YOU
have NO evidence to support what you said.
HAIS TSIS TAU CES YUAV SWB... that is exactly like YOU. You CAN NOT
produce any evidence to support your allegation that I was in Neohome,
that I was supporting violent groups.. BUT you are donating money to
the VP defence fund!!! but I have not.
And NOW you are trying to get out not the debate! Not that easy! If
you want to be who you are, you know what to do next.
Just be reinded that below is my post on February 18 (that this debate
is al about).
<<Teev,
Can YOU elaborate how I co-opted to work with violent groups? Which
violent groups? How, when, what do I do? Yog kuv yog neeg phem, neeg
nkaus li koj mas, kuv twb sue koj for defamation already, my friend!
Tabsis yus yog Hmoob tibyam es ho hlub lub nyuiav qhov muag thiab.
Li tej lau hais cia, "ua ib tug txiv-neeg-yawg, plaub-quav dub-nciab",
Yus hais tau, yus yuav tsum muaj POV THAWJ laiv yawg! Show the
EVIDENCE! if no evidence, you had just hung yourself - a self-
inflicted. Tejzaum, ua tus neeg hmoov tas tiag-tiag li lawm laud! Yus
tau zoo nyob, es tsis nyob twj ywm.. ua cas yus yuav nrhiav kev muaj
yuv faus kheej tiag-tiag li! You dig your own grave, you bury
yourself alive! What ever happen to the good Teev Lis? What a shame.
What a sad thing to happen to such man who once was a good friend?
(sigh... sigh...)
Yog koj muab tsis tau povthawj (if you have NO evidence), koj yuav tau
thov-txim kuv ces thiaj yuav zoo rau koj! (you better apologise!) so
you can at least redeem part of your good self from the grave.
Pao >>
FURTHERMORE....
(1) you are known to pushed for the Hmong Universal Nation? Have you
not? My view on Hmong Vitual Nation is well known as I said in my HND
Conference and in my book "The Root & the Fruit - Hmong Identity"
available from Hmong ABC Bookshop in MN.
Teev.. have you NOT post in SCH in 2002 that you were about to publish
on the Hmong Universal Nation?
(May be you are NOT that Teev who was in SCH in 2002)..Hey ?
(2) Have you NOT donate money to the VP defence fund?
And you are now trying to get out? Are you a hypocrite or what?
Do you just lashing your tongue out with NO evidence to support what
you said about others?
Pao
Still out huning Croc.. in the outback
zhen
oui oui oui niag puj laus aws, ziag nuav teev xa tib nplawg qau rau
koj puas mob os?
hahahahhahaha
notice how my dawg is not going to cuab nrog koj ov.
zhen
> I beg to disagree with your view. When a person disagrees with or
> disapproves of another person's view or position, it may have
> absolutely nothing to do with "hatred" for the person. For example, I
> have disagreed and disapproved very strongly with VP's policy and Dr.
> Pao's position. However, I have absolutely no hatred for either man. I
> think we all need to outgrow the presupposition that opposition or
> difference is equal to hatred. If we cannot overcome this restriction,
> we simply cannot deal with difficult issues.
but it may not be hatred, it may be hateful statements. koj thiaj li
dag tau cov xav xav ntxeev siab rau hmoob xwb os thaub aws.
teev, have a coke.
my dawwgy said, hmoob tsis sib tsoob hmoob es leej twg thiaj li yuav
tsoob hmoob?
i say, hmoob tsis sib foob hmoob es leej twg thiaj li yuav foob hmoob?
i forgot, my dawg will.
noogdlej
Ua cas koj yuav quaj nrov ua luaj? I have no debt to GVP. All I have
is respect. What do you have? Nothing? Yuav hais li cas los hais.
Kuv ntsia tsam no crocodile tub tom koj quaj nrov vawv lawm sub. What
do you mean by kuv wish kom koj thiab the Hmong to pay my bill to VP?
Yog kuv tshuav leejtwg nqi kuv yeej them kuv lawm. Kuv li kuv tsis
zoo li koj nawb Teev. Yus xav tsa yus ua nai es yus yuav quaj nrov
cuag dev qhov ntuj kom sawvdaws tuaj tsa yus ua nai mas ntshe yuav
tsis khws kiag nawb. Tsam no yus ntsia luag tus laus lub zo tsis tuaj
lawm ces yus txawm yuav hiab pob tawb zoj luag mus pov nram qab ha
laiv yom? Koj hiab lub luaj li cas rau yawg loj ces lawm hnub cov
Hmoob muaj ib paab yeej yuav hiab lub luaj tib yam rau koj thiab ntag
ho. Tsis ntseeg sim ntsia mus meb!
Cov neeg uas tau los ua nai thiab ua thawj coj yog ntuj tshwj tseg
thiab yog neeg xaiv. Yog tsim nyog hwm neeg yeej yuav hwm, yog tsig
nyob qhuas neeg yeej yuav qhuas. Yog xav ua Hmoob tus nais tiag ces
txhob ua dev tsej es yeejmeem mus ua dejnum kom tshwm seb tebchaws
puas yuav pom mog.
Yog khiav dejnum li uas ob hnub no koj tuaj nrog Dr. Pao sib do hauv
no xwb yeej tsi tau kuv qhov vote kiag li nawb.....heeeheeeheee
Tsi txawj ces mus kawm tsi ntse ce mus mloog tabfab mog.
Noogdlej
noogdlej
Xav kom luag qhuas tias yus yog ib tus laus lawm. Tsis xav kom luag
cem tias niag menyuam tsis paub qabhau no kiag. I will take that as a
compliment.
Niag teev ntawd ces, lub nyuas nrig tub mob tsis npaum kooj tuam os
zhen es. Hais txog kev sib ntau hauv no mas tsis muaj leejtwg keej
npaum koj thiab peb yawg vajhmoob kiag..........thaum hais tsi yeej
lawm ces xa kiag lub mav "pppqqq" tua xwb ces sawvdaws yeej pos
qhovmuag tas nro ces yus tsuas khaws hlais xwb puas
yog.......heeheehee
Noogdlej
xoblai...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Noogdlej,
Koj hais dab tsi tsis to taub li? Yog koj xav pab tog twg tiag?
xoblaim
xoblai...@yahoo.com
Dr. pao,
Cov lus koj hais rau teev no yog tus kheej hais kiag los yog koj tso
koj tus kwv dr. pao tuaj hais mav? Cas zoo nkaus li cov lus zaum no
koj hais rau teev no tsis yog tus Dr. pov qub li lawm. Yog koj tus kwv
tuaj hais xwb mas tsis ua li cas tab sis yog koj tus kheej tuaj hais
kiag no yeej yuav muaj ceem tsawv thiab ntag laid. Zoo li yawg teev
ntawd xwb tsis txaus koj tus kwv dr. pao ntxuav dev os. Koj tus kwv
dr.pao neb tseem ntshai teev thiab, teev yog ib nyuag caws xwb na ho
koj tus kwv neb mas muaj ib koos phon diam cov nyob nias nab los muaj
nyob nias lam los muaj.