Re: On Primitive Rituals & Beliefs: One Abrahamic to Displace Another Abrahamic Superstition

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On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 2:22:30 AM UTC-4, HenryDavidT wrote:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/future-map-world-religions-pew_n_6994522.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
>
> Note that although BOTH are of Abrahamic religions ---- both Muslims & Christians, as well as Jews whose ancient writings and thoughts on THIS ONE CREATOR gave birth, later centuries, to Christianity and Islam ---- and that means they both believe ABRAHAM and his connection to the Man from Beyond the Oort cloud, who advises them and who gives them ANOTHER life after this brief one, in Heaven, a life that would be an eternity of bliss (primitive people and tribe ALWAYS think like this, no matter where you found these tribes around the world and regardless whether such tribes are literate like most Christians or illiterate like most Hmong from the old world)... that Abraham was their founding father, their connection to the Divine Creator from Beyond the Oort Cloud... both Christians and Muslims have been trying to annihilate each other since their respective founding, around 2nd and around 7th centuries...
>
> This latest statistical extrapolation... that Muslims will out-populate Christians in Europe by 2070, of course, is gonna be a very bitter pill to swallow, for the ONE ABRAHAMIC tribe, the Christians... because they were almost completely conquered by Muslims a couple centuries ago, when Islam was stopped at the gate of France, after they had pretty much conquered much of Spain... and since then, the Christians had been able, as history show, to push the Muslims advances back a bit....
>
> But since these are giant religions, their ebbs and flows don't start and stop within decades or centuries... their life cycles range in the many centuries to millenniums...
>
> Two general facts that escape most people, including most Abrahamic tribes (like the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims):
>
> Abraham (Abram), or his immediate family, was originally (RECORDED to be) from central to southern present day Iraq. That means his people either directly or indirectly, we can reasonably assume, to be descended from the Sumerians, Babylonians, and/or Mesopotamians or other tribes living around central to southern Iraq.
>
> Abraham (or Abram), then, emigrated to the area around of what today we'd call Lebanon. That's the EXACT POINT when these earthly-heavenly TRIBAL SHIT started.... centuries to millenniums before modern Jews and Christians and Muslims would ever arrive on the scene.
>
> The whole tribal chaos started when Abraham ASSERTED that the Man from Beyond the Ooort Cloud PROMISED HIM, Abraham, the land he's now invading... a land that was ALREADY OCCUPIED by OTHER TRIBES (also related to Abraham although they're not, at that point, called "Abrahamic tribes," since Abraham, at the time, again, was only ONE of the 2-3 HOLY MEN WHO DEALT WITH THE MAN FROM BEYOND THE OORT CLOUD PERSONALLY... But those who HAD ALREADY BEEN LIVING IN THAT LAND, the Canaanites, begged to differ.
>
> Anyway, READING ABOUT "exact details of what really happened" won't do jack, where historical or personal knowledge is concerned, since these were all ORAL FAIRY TALES, not to be written until much later by literate scribes. And we know back then AS WELL AS TODAY the most powerful get to write the "history book," so they make themselves to be the FAVORED or PREFERRED one and that's why, they say, they triumphed over the other group or tribe (the victors almost never say the reason they win most struggle and battles is because they are more scheming and prepare better, etc: it's always some Divine Power wanting them to win, etc., ad nauseam)...
>
> Anyway, that's point #1: --- that Abraham, in reality (NOT as in the fictional bliblical character written for children like Christian and Muslims these days), was from ONE OF THE ANCIENT BUILDERS from central to southern modern Iraq, today. And since that was the case, as I said, we could reasonably infer that he and his family must have, directly or indirectly, belong to either the Sumerians, Mesopotamians, Babylonians or other tribes living in that region of present day Iraq...
>
> So that means he and his people --- the nonsense in the Quran and Bible, as well as what's fictionalized in the older Jewish books NOTWITHSTANDING --- were NOT Jewish, Christians, or Muslims. Had NO REAL CONNECTION to these three modern tribes all claiming Abram or Abraham as their most important PATRIARCH who, again, like Noah and Moses before him, HAD DIRECT COMMUNICATION with the Man from Beyond the Oort Cloud....
>
> And #2: --- ISLAM and Muslims got started because by around the writing of the Jewish fairy tales of and about the Man from Beyond the Oort Cloud (who, as you know, DID COME DOWN TO BE BORN AS A JEWISH MAN HIMSELF, aka Jesus!, although Jews then DID NOT take him to be THE CREATOR himself re-incarnated as a human; they were still waiting for some "real Jewish Messiah") and, IN PARTICULAR, by the height of the ROMAN EMPIRE, around 100AD-200AD, Christians were starting to flex their muscles. OTHER TRIBES that were not easily conquered and converted were treated harshly.
>
> Think about it: you're living as ignorant TRIBAL people during the Stone, Iron, and Bronze ages... and you're lucky enough to have raise some good warriors and you're winning more and more battles around your part of the world. How do you treat the TRIBES, big and small, around you that you've conquered? Not very well; we are APES and APES behave very intelligibly predictably! Muscles and clever scheming win battles for food and territories and females!
>
> Anyway, again, as Christian and Christianity started expanding, FAST, from SHORTLY after Jesus was killed by REAL ROMANS (remember, they were still the absolute masters around 100-200AD... but by EARLY 300AD, Christians and Christianity HAD ALREADY SUBDUED most Romans and most of ROME, as the more powerful people and as center of power, in northern Africa and southern Europe, as the first Roman Emperor (not yet from the Church or THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE but still as a secular Roman emperor) -------- ONE OF THE GROUPS & TRIBES the Christians pushed hard against and punished harshly, in any defeat in battles, was the ARABS to the east (in and around present day Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, etc). But remember that AT THAT TIME, the name "Arab" still wasn't used widely; you still had ancient tribes like the Carthaginians, Phoenicians, etc. (or similar ones preferred by locals in those regions, around the time or the Romans, being used more widely...
>
> From around the mid 300ADs, when Christians and Christianity had COMPLETELY SUBDUED the Roman empire until its official collapse around 476AD, Christians were the unchallenged tribe in southern European, north Africa, and the Middle East.
>
> The point to this winding ranting is this: THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON, main thrust, behind the "Arabs" organizing a RESISTENCE MOVEMENT to blunt and to block the march of Christians and Christianity... THAT'S WHEN AND HOW ISLAM and the Muslims came about...
>
> But just like the Jews, the Christians before them, the Arabs and now Muslims now also claimed ABRAHAM --- remember, in reality the man WAS FROM CENTRAL-SOUTHERN IRAQ: he's NOT a Jew, a Christian, or an Arab! --- as their most important founding father, with HIS IMAGINARY LINE stretching directly back to more ancient FICTIONAL characters like Moses, Noah, and Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eve, when the TALKING SNAKE tampted Eve to bring about the fall of HUMANITY, when she ate the fruit of knowledge, something the Man from Beyond the Oort Cloud HAD SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED both her and Adam from tasting...
>
> ++++++++++++
>
>
> Anyway, another point, another layer, to this whole nonsense is: THIS IS HOW TRIBAL PEOPLE, back then and today, function. They are always the most special, with holy or divine or sacred knowledge of both this world and the next world, as well as some DARK PLACES in "the under world, for bad people who don't listen to the wise elders," etc. How? Why? Because THE MAN FROM BYOND THE OORT CLOUD appointed them that special status, gave them special and holy and divine knowledge, via books (if the tribe could read and write) and via ORAL DICTATION, if the tribe was illiterate, like Mohammed and his immediate family...
>
> What gets lost and mixed up and wasted in all this --- real historical characters and events being fictionalized and polished into holy and divine characters like what's written in small children's fairy tale books --- are usually two groups:
>
> #1. the slow with low IQ who don't know their ass from their elbow who just read, memorize, and spew these childish Middle Eastern Stone, Iron, and Bronze age-derived fairy tales;
>
> #2. smooth talking, fast-thinking snake oil sales men who know when and where to facilitate the parting of the fool from his cash.
>
> Those belonging in the first group, the #1, are the MILLIONS and BILLIONS of Christians and Muslims perpetually on prostrating, or on their knees or buttocks, mumbling in gibberish which they are told are HOLY recitation DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY dictated by the MAN FROM BEYOND THE OORT CLOUD... and the ones belong to group #2 are the preacher, clerics, monks, fathers, saints, popes, ayatollahs, et al who live in mansions and fly in private jets and driven in armored cars...
>
> But, hushhhhh, don't tell these folks SUCH REALITY; they get pissed and say you're just jealous of them, their fairy tale creator; or you're an active agent of LUCIFER and/or his fraternal triplets... in Satan and the Devil!

Well said, two thumps up!!!

[AEON]

let them Abrahamic believers slash their throats after they are done the EARTH will be a much more peaceful. if one of them DIG a CRAB SADDAM LIKE WHOLE just use SENSORS to pin point the location and dump 10 tons sand on top of it WHY BOTHER DIG HIM OUT? and have re burry again later. if i saw SADDAM'S CRAB HIDING WHOLE I WOUL DUMB 10 TONS OF SAND ON TOP INSTEAD OG DIGGING HIM OUT no $ is needed to process him through COURT. haha OJ WON after that COSTLY COURT DREAM TEAM CASE. TOO BAD SADDAM WAS MURDERED.

[HenryDavidT]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/future-map-world-religions-pew_n_6994522.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Note that although BOTH are of Abrahamic religions ---- both Muslims & Christians, as well as Jews whose ancient writings and thoughts on THIS ONE CREATOR gave birth, later centuries, to Christianity and Islam ---- and that means they both believe ABRAHAM and his connection to the Man from Beyond the Oort cloud, who advises them and who gives them ANOTHER life after this brief one, in Heaven, a life that would be an eternity of bliss (primitive people and tribe ALWAYS think like this, no matter where you found these tribes around the world and regardless whether such tribes are literate like most Christians or illiterate like most Hmong from the old world)... that Abraham was their founding father, their connection to the Divine Creator from Beyond the Oort Cloud... both Christians and Muslims have been trying to annihilate each other since their respective founding, around 2nd and around 7th centuries...

This latest statistical extrapolation... that Muslims will out-populate Christians in Europe by 2070, of course, is gonna be a very bitter pill to swallow, for the ONE ABRAHAMIC tribe, the Christians... because they were almost completely conquered by Muslims a couple centuries ago, when Islam was stopped at the gate of France, after they had pretty much conquered much of Spain... and since then, the Christians had been able, as history show, to push the Muslims advances back a bit....

But since these are giant religions, their ebbs and flows don't start and stop within decades or centuries... their life cycles range in the many centuries to millenniums...

Two general facts that escape most people, including most Abrahamic tribes (like the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims):

Abraham (Abram), or his immediate family, was originally (RECORDED to be) from central to southern present day Iraq. That means his people either directly or indirectly, we can reasonably assume, to be descended from the Sumerians, Babylonians, and/or Mesopotamians or other tribes living around central to southern Iraq.

Abraham (or Abram), then, emigrated to the area around of what today we'd call Lebanon. That's the EXACT POINT when these earthly-heavenly TRIBAL SHIT started.... centuries to millenniums before modern Jews and Christians and Muslims would ever arrive on the scene.

The whole tribal chaos started when Abraham ASSERTED that the Man from Beyond the Oort Cloud PROMISED HIM, Abraham, the land he's now invading... a land that was ALREADY OCCUPIED by OTHER TRIBES (also related to Abraham although they're not, at that point, called "Abrahamic tribes," since Abraham, at the time, again, was only ONE of the 2-3 HOLY MEN WHO DEALT WITH THE MAN FROM BEYOND THE OORT CLOUD PERSONALLY... But those who HAD ALREADY BEEN LIVING IN THAT LAND, the Canaanites, begged to differ.

Anyway, READING ABOUT "exact details of what really happened" won't do jack, where historical or personal knowledge is concerned, since these were all ORAL FAIRY TALES, not to be written until much later by literate scribes. And we know back then AS WELL AS TODAY the most powerful get to write the "history book," so they make themselves to be the FAVORED or PREFERRED one and that's why, they say, they triumphed over the other group or tribe (the victors almost never say the reason they win most struggle and battles is because they are more scheming and prepare better, etc: it's always some Divine Power wanting them to win, etc., ad nauseam)...

Anyway, that's point #1: --- that Abraham, in reality (NOT as in the fictional bliblical character written for children like Christian and Muslims these days), was from ONE OF THE ANCIENT BUILDERS from central to southern modern Iraq, today. And since that was the case, as I said, we could reasonably infer that he and his family must have, directly or indirectly, belong to either the Sumerians, Mesopotamians, Babylonians or other tribes living in that region of present day Iraq...

So that means he and his people --- the nonsense in the Quran and Bible, as well as what's fictionalized in the older Jewish books NOTWITHSTANDING --- were NOT Jewish, Christians, or Muslims. Had NO REAL CONNECTION to these three modern tribes all claiming Abram or Abraham as their most important PATRIARCH who, again, like Noah and Moses before him, HAD DIRECT COMMUNICATION with the Man from Beyond the Oort Cloud....

And #2: --- ISLAM and Muslims got started because by around the writing of the Jewish fairy tales of and about the Man from Beyond the Oort Cloud (who, as you know, DID COME DOWN TO BE BORN AS A JEWISH MAN HIMSELF, aka Jesus!, although Jews then DID NOT take him to be THE CREATOR himself re-incarnated as a human; they were still waiting for some "real Jewish Messiah") and, IN PARTICULAR, by the height of the ROMAN EMPIRE, around 100AD-200AD, Christians were starting to flex their muscles. OTHER TRIBES that were not easily conquered and converted were treated harshly.

Think about it: you're living as ignorant TRIBAL people during the Stone, Iron, and Bronze ages... and you're lucky enough to have raise some good warriors and you're winning more and more battles around your part of the world. How do you treat the TRIBES, big and small, around you that you've conquered? Not very well; we are APES and APES behave very intelligibly predictably! Muscles and clever scheming win battles for food and territories and females!

Anyway, again, as Christian and Christianity started expanding, FAST, from SHORTLY after Jesus was killed by REAL ROMANS (remember, they were still the absolute masters around 100-200AD...

But by EARLY 300AD, Christians and Christianity HAD ALREADY SUBDUED most Romans and most of ROME, as the more powerful people and as center of power, in northern Africa and southern Europe.

As the first Roman Emperor (not yet from the Church or THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE but still as a secular Roman emperor) CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY ..... ONE OF THE GROUPS & TRIBES the Christians pushed hard against and punished harshly, in any defeat in battles, was the ARABS to the east (in and around present day Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, etc).

But remember that AT THAT TIME, the name "Arab" still wasn't used widely; you still had ancient tribes like the Carthaginians, Phoenicians, etc. (or similar ones preferred by locals in those regions, around the time or the Romans, being used more widely...

From around the mid 300ADs, when Christians and Christianity had COMPLETELY SUBDUED the Roman empire until its official collapse around 476AD, Christians were the unchallenged tribe in southern European, north Africa, and the Middle East.

The point to this winding ranting is this: --- THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON, main thrust, behind the "Arabs" organizing a RESISTENCE MOVEMENT to blunt and to block the march of Christians and Christianity... THAT'S WHEN AND HOW ISLAM and the Muslims came about...

But just like the Jews and the Christians before them, the Arabs and now Muslims now also claimed ABRAHAM --- remember, in reality the man WAS FROM CENTRAL-SOUTHERN IRAQ: he's NOT a Jew, a Christian, or an "Arab"! --- as their most important founding father, with HIS IMAGINARY LINE stretching directly back to more ancient FICTIONAL characters like Moses, Noah, and Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eve, when the TALKING SNAKE tampted Eve to bring about the fall of HUMANITY, when she ate the fruit of knowledge, something the Man from Beyond the Oort Cloud HAD SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED both her and Adam from tasting...

++++++++++++


Anyway, another point, another layer, to this whole nonsense is:

THIS IS HOW TRIBAL PEOPLE, back then and today, ALWAYS function. They are always the most special, with holy or divine or sacred knowledge of both this world and the next world, as well as some DARK PLACES in "the under world, for bad people who don't listen to the wise elders," etc. How? Why? Because THE MAN FROM BYOND THE OORT CLOUD appointed them that special status, gave them special and holy and divine knowledge, via books (if the tribe could read and write) and via ORAL DICTATION, if the tribe was illiterate, like Mohammed and his immediate family...

What gets lost and mixed up and wasted in all this --- real historical characters and events being fictionalized and polished into holy and divine characters like what's written in small children's fairy tale books --- are usually two groups:

#1. the slow with low IQ who don't know their ass from their elbow who just read, memorize, and spew these childish Middle Eastern Stone, Iron, and Bronze age-derived fairy tales;

#2. smooth talking, fast-thinking snake oil sales men who know when and where to facilitate the parting of the fool from his cash.

Those belonging in the first group, the #1, are the MILLIONS and BILLIONS of Christians and Muslims perpetually on prostrating, or on their knees or buttocks, mumbling in gibberish which they are told are HOLY recitation DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY dictated by the MAN FROM BEYOND THE OORT CLOUD... and the ones belong to group #2 are the preacher, clerics, monks, fathers, saints, popes, ayatollahs, et al who live in mansions and fly in private jets and driven in armored cars...

But, hushhhhh, don't tell these folks SUCH REALITY; they get pissed and say you're just jealous of them & their fairy tale creator; or you're an active agent of LUCIFER and/or his fraternal triplets... in Satan and the Devil!

When you tell small children Santa Claus is not real, and especially when you get into a "debate" with such small children, believe it or not, YOU BECOME JUST ANOTHER CHILDREN... everyone arguing like little children, since there is NO WAY you could use logic, philosophy, history, biology, mathematics, etc. to DEMONSTRATE why the world doesn't work like they do in children's fairy tales...

So you NOWHERE when you try debating with grown-ups who know, who care to know, nothing but children fairy tales THEY INSIST are dictated or inspired or commanded the THEIR TRIBAL CREATOR MAN FROM BEYOND THE OORT CLOUD who's busy listening to their gibberish prayers (in English, Arabic, Hmong, and every of HIS languages), as they shift from being on their asses to their knees to their feet, back to their knees and asses and other prostrating positions on the ground, floor, or dirt... in the various odd-looking clothes, hats, robes, sticks, cans, dangling and glowing objects....

And, here, get this: THEY DO SUCH BOWING, PROSTRATING, and MINDLESS RECITATION GIBBERISH SERIOUSLY.... it's not like "Haha, I got you for a moment there, didn't I?" They cry real tears, they have fear that register on their faces, they have sweat running down, they could be so enraged they could seize you and tie you up and burn you on the stake in public squares or decapitate your head for insulting them and their holy prophets, martyrs, saints, popes, clerics, or MAN FROM BEYOND THE OORT CLOUD...

In other words, they behave and act EXACTLY like these homeless men and women in our downtowns in major cities across America, and the world.... they speak in real fear, real credulity... about Satan and the FBI and CIA and KGB and Lucifer CHASING AFTER THEM... and they exhibit real agitation and fear in their faces... with sweat pouring out of their faces sometimes, with their eyes darting hither and thither, as they speak to you...

These conditions are real and they are all IN THE HEADS: --- as exhibited in unstable homeless people ... & in religious tribes who believe THEIR CREATOR walks on water and makes bread and fish out of Oxygen and Nitrogen atoms... religious tribes who believe THEIR HOLHY PROPHET or martyrs ride WINGED HORSES or magical carpet or reindeer straight up into HEAVEN, where they, the religious faithful, THE REAL ONES, that is... not the fake ones... all go AFTER this miserable life here on earth.

For small children into Santa Claus and presents (for nice boys and girls), for unstable homeless people, and for religious people EVERYTHING --- the earth, other people and tribes, animals, insects, the COSMOS and its stars, etc. --- ALL REVOLVE AROUND THEM and their MADE-UP reality...