18 xeem tsab cais sis yuav....good or stupid?
Tsujsua Dluag
over the weekend, kuv mus hais ib tus pojniam rau ib tus phoojywg in
merced, ca. tsi muaj teebmeem dabtsi, temsis daig ib qho....ua rau
tshoob kos plam lawm. this was my first failure as a mejkoob after about
30 successful weddings.
kuv kuj tsi paub tseeb, temsis tsab cai 18 xeem no, yog leejtwg pib
tiag? is it a legal system supported by the court of CA? cov uas tab
tsab cai no puas paub kev tshoob tiag? according to many people, tsab
cai no mas "ntaus thwj liab ploog by the legisture" lawm....nej paub yog
li cas tiag?
anyway, after about 4 hours of "sis nyom" txog nqi tshoob, both side of
the family finally ran out of breath...and both kuv thiab tus txum mej
gave up due to incurable feelings about "traditional" price and the new
price set forth by 18 xeem....
for those of you uas nyob CA, nej puas tau practice tsab cai no thiab?
let me know, so that i could justify my failure as a mejkoob.
yaweh
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Moobsib
Koj qha puas tau qaab taug hauv xauv rua peb cov nyob dleb paub hab?
Has tsi sis hum ces ca cov hluas puab maam moog tom lawyer xwb mas
txhaj tsi poob nyaj ntau hab tsi muaj dlej num nyaav hlo le. Tsis le
ntawd los caum lug tsev lawd ces yuav dlawb... Cov laug yim ua nyuaj
ces qhov nuav yuav tshwm sim tuaj ntaag, kuv xaav naj.
Thanks,
MS
phabej
Cas koj tseem yuav mus ntshai 18 xeem txoj niag cai ntawv thiab lau.
Koj mus me koob rau tog twg? Txhob poob siab kuv twb ua ntau rooj uas
tsis tau nqaij qaib txias (qaib qhia tsiaj) noj lawm. Qhov yuav pab tau
nkauj nyab nraug vauv ces koj cia li ntxhi twj ywm rau nkawv pob ntseg
tias kom nkawv cia li mus tom Las Vegas ces 24 hours xwb nkawv tau
marriage certificate thooj toob raws kauv maim teb chaws no lawm. Don't
borther Hmoob 18 xeem txoj cai quav dev ntawv li os yawg. Take my
advice.
phwvnyawm
Tsis yog nej yuav them li 18 xeem txoj cai kom them? Hos niam txiv tog
ntxhais yuav-v tshaj puas yog? kuv muab lawv txoj cai twm tag ib lwm
lawm kuv twb tsis to taub zoo..Zoo li cov sau no twb tsis paub kab
tshoob kev kos zoo.Saib nej tus tub puas xav yuav tiag-g maj..yog yeej
nyiam txaus siab tiag ces mus tom mab dawb li pawg Phabej hais ces hauj
lwm tiav.Peb cov hmoob mas yog hmoob tuaj yuav mas hais tsheej hmo twb
tsis haum.Yog Mev thiab Dub tuaj yuav mas Mev thiab Dub hais lis cas
los YES tag li.Kuv tsis tau pom ib tug hais NO rau Mev thiab dub li
nawb.Txhob ua phem-m,nyuaj-j rau cov vauv hmoob thaum kawg ces kawg tau
vauv Mev thiab Dub xwb nawb..
Ncaimtseemnco
about time we Hmong learn to live and go by rules and laws.
Peb pawg kwvtij niaj hnub niam no yeej sau nqi tshoob raws li Hmoob 18
xeem tsab cai xwb. Yeej tsis muaj ib yim twg yuav yuam tsab cai no li
as. Tam sim no peb hais tshoob ces 2 xuab moos (2 hrs) xwb ces tshoob
yeej tiav tag li lawm yog raug peb tog yog tog ntxhais.
Thov nej sawvdaws nrog peb pauv thiab mas cov yawg. Tseem yuav tos
tsawg xyoo thiab tsawg tiam ntxiv es peb Hmoob mam pauv nas.
-Cha.
Xejthim
kos, cas yuav hais tau insult lawv ua luaj. Twb xaiv 18 xeem cov ej ej
noj kaus yaig tuaj tsim tsab cai no ntag los mos....tus thawj tswj
ntawm faim kev tshoob kev kos, kev ploj kev tuag no ces txawm yog ib
tug txiv nuj sua kav thaj tsam qaum teb chaws America no ntag. Hais
txog kab tshoob kev kos xwb luag qi ib sab qhov muag pos ib sab kaum
ncauj hais xwb los yeej tau noj lawm nav es nej yuav lam mus thuam luag
ua tus dab tsi, leej twg tseem yuav heev tshaj yawg lawm no maj?
Hais txog ntawm tsab cai tus nqi tshoob, yav qaum teb pem no especially
li MN & WI ces yeej siv tus nqi no ($5000 nqi taub hau, $800 noj haus)
lawm xwb yog leej twg tseem nyom thiab ces kawg pawv yaim xwb ntag
nawb. Nej cov CA thiab lawm qhov yog nej tuaj yuav nyab hauv MN & WI
ces yuav save nej nyiaj lawm cis tub hos yog nej ntxhais los yuav peb
tub pem no lawm ces txhob vam yuav tau tshaj li $5000, yog leej twg
tseem nyom dhau ib xees liab thiab ces kawg tog vauv mus so sab laj tso
xwb ntag hov. Wisconsin tau muaj ntau rooj los lawm yog tog niam txiv
tsis thov lo lua yuav li ntawd ces kab paus tsis su ntag hov. Nyuam
qhuav muaj ib rooj tsis ntev tag los no twb ua rau niam txiv ntsej muag
txham quav tag lawm nas. Kuv xa pom cov me niam txiv pheej niaj hnub
khav tias lawv yuav tiv nqi $30,000 roob taus ntau tsis hle rau lawv
cov ntxhais ntsej muag dub zaum no xwb lauj. So in Wisconsin, either
you accept $5000 or decline and get $0. It is that simple, period!
Hmong-Lao
Kuv los xam pom li koj hais thiab.
Phabej,
Koj hu tsab cai no ua "cai quav dev" no vim koj tsis nyiam qhov uas
muaj tus puav Neohome yog cov pib xwb los sav. Tsis txhob muab nej tej
political difference coj los txuam yuaj nrog kev tshoob kev kos ma!
All,
Tsab cai no mas yooj yim siv tshaj plaws li lawm. Yog leej twg yoog
tsis tau ces yog neeg nkhaus lawm xwb. Cov neeg nkhaus no mam li ua li
nej hais "cia mab dawb txiav txim" mas thiaj haum lawv siab.
HL
phabej
Koj to taub kuv yuam kev lawm xwb. Kuv lub meaning yog hais tias kom
Hmoob tsis txhob muaj muaj tswv yim es nim yuav tsim txoj cai ub txoj
cai no-make too many double-unstandard cai rau Hmoob siv no xwb. Cia
kuv hais kom meej ntawm Neohom and politics have nothing to do with 18
xeem txoj cai tshoob kos no.
Yog tsis yog cai quav dev ces yeej tsis muaj tej teeb meem phooj ywg
Tsujsua hais hlo li los mos. Yog tsis yog kev cai quav dev no ua li
phooj ywg Phwvnyawm hais ua cas thaum Hmoob cov ntxais mus yuav txiv
Mev, Kej Dub, Mab Dawb, Nyaj Laj, Nplog, Suav, Nyij Pooj, etc., Hmoob
ho tsis siv tus cai 18 xeem no los nias kom tau lawv them $5,000/$800
ma? On the other hand, yog tsis yog cai qhuav dev no, ntawm fab tub,
thaum Hmoob cov tub mus yuav poj Mev, Kej Dub, Mab Dawb, Nyaj Laj,
Nplog, Suav, Nyij Pooj, etc., cas niam txiv qhua vauv yawg ho tsis npaj
$5,000/$800 nplua mia mus them rau niam txiv tog txhais txawv hawv ma?
Nej sim qhia kuv seb puas muaj leej twg (txhua haiv neeg) hla tsis dhau
Hmoob 18 xeem txoj cai no ma? Yog muaj lawm no ces kuv mam li recall
kuv 3 lo lus "cai quav dev" no rov twb tsis lig. Hos yog Hmoob 18 xeem
nias tsis tau txhua haiv neeg los siv lawv txoj cai no es tseem pheej
hais tias "suav tshuaj suav rhaub, hmoob tshuaj hmoob rhaub" li niaj
hnub no es khav tau ntawm tug cub xwb ces tab tom phim kuv 3 lo lus
ntawv los sis kuv tseem yuav tshwj 5 lo kom muaj kuab zog ntxiv-"cai L
_ _ m S - m V _ _ b Ts _ _ b."
Phabej
phabej
Tsis txhob mus siv tej lub mav tais tob tob li ko kiag. Twb nyeem tau
koj lub nyuag hlwb lawm os...hehehehe...tsis txhob mus hais tias
$5,000/$800 ces siv tau tau rau MN & WI thiab yog ib txoj cai zoo hlo
os. Kuv twv kiag tias thaum Hmoob MN & WI mus yuav nyab rau lwm lub
state, 1). nej yeej mus yuam tsis tau cov Hmoob nyob lwm lub state siv
18 xeem txoj cai, lawv yeej tsis nrog nej siv nej txoj cai kiag li; 2).
nej yeej tsis kam npaj $5,000/$800 mus them lawv, yog lawv sau
hnyav/siab tshaj $5,000/$800 ces nej yeej thov lo lua hos yog lawv sau
tsawg tshaj $5,000/$800 ces nej yeej luag ntxhi nqa tes ua tsaug tsis
hais ib lo lus cia li them twj ywm tsis ntaus nrov txog 18 xeem txoj
cai; 3). yog lwm lub state tuaj yuav nej ces nej yeej ntaim tsis tau
kom lawv them $5,000/$800 hlo li thiab, yog raug rau tus muaj ces
$5,000/$800 tsis luaj twg lawv them kiag hos yog raug rau tus pluag ces
lawv yuav thov kom nej luv nqis tshaj $5,000/$800 kom lawv them taus
xwb; 4). ua li nej mus yuav nyab tim Nplog/Thaib teb ne nej puas npaj
$5,000/$800 mus them lawv tiv, tsis tas li yog cov ntxhais tim no ho
mus yuav cov tub tim Nplog/Thaib tuaj ne nej puas kom niam txiv qhua
vauv tog tub tiv them nej $5,000/$800 ma?; 5). ua li kuv hais tau
Hmong-Lao ua li yog Hmoob 18 xeem tsim tsab cai no los rau Hmoob siv
xwb los yog tsim los rau txhua haiv neeg siv yog lawv tuaj yuav Hmoob
los sis Hmoob mus yuav lawv ma?. Kuv xav tias Hmoob 18 xeem yeej ua
tsis tau tej no kiag li os. thaum zoo li no lawm ces txhais tau hais
tias 18 xeem txoj cai no siv tsis tau-yog cai quav dev xwb. Ua li kuv
hais yog thaum cov tub cov ntxhais nrov phluav rau tom Las Vegas lawm
ces Hmoob 18 xeem yeej hais tsis tau lawv quav ci no hlo, ib xus liab
niam txiv tog ntxhais twb tsis pom hlo.
Tsujsua Dluag
heev.
sometimes back in july/august, hmong down here hnov tias cov "coj noj
coj ua" tshwm tau ib tsab cai for the hmong....bride price is to be
5k and noj haus is to be 800. anyone who break this law (including the
groom) will be penalize in the amount of the "price"....
to be honest with you, i have no knowldege of such a thing until the
day uas peb mus hais. the paretns want to set their own price...and the
groom's side refused (because they don't want to pay the penalty)...
yaweh
"Moobsib" <gen...@i2k.com> wrote in message
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Tsujsua Dluag
legit xwb....yog lawd tab tau tiag lawm....leejtwg los yauv hla tsi tau.
muastony
Kuv agree le koj has hab vim Moob enforce tsi tau moog rua saab nrau
tsuas
coj lug khaav, siv, rua yuv cov Moob xwb. Yog Moob 18 xeem muaj peev
xwm ua tau lug siv rua Moob yuav tau siv rua DLUB, DLAWB, MEV, NYAAB
LAAJ, NPLOG, KHABMEEM, HAB LWM HAIV. Moob lub sab yeej phem rua Moob
xwb, nim txawj-j- ua BRIDE PRICE BILL, MEJ KOOB BILL. If the bills have
been passed from the State legislature or Federal, can they enforce to
all the people of the United States?. That's called Mong crap.
If Mejkoob bill Pass, all the Mejkoob who make money from the wedding
have to report all income to IRS and pay tax, is it right?.
I have discussed with one of my uncle who he is living in MN, he said,
other Ethnic have the samething I told him you do not know anything
about other ethnic group's traditional and culture. There is no such
bill existing to other.
Discuss next time,
Tony
Tsujsua Dluag
kuv xav li koj xav thiab...on the day uas peb yuav mus, they gave me a
copy too....i looked over it..and muaj tej cov lus tsi meejpem...tsi
tag li, zoo li lawd tsi paub txog kev tshoob kos sub tiag...
temsis, ua li hais, kuv xav paub seb qho no pua syog ib qho new
"tradition" xwb...los yog "ib qho legalized law"???
Tsujsua Dluag
the reason why kuv tias "lawd tsi paub kev tshoob meej"...vim li no
1) hais tsi tag lus...too general....and too short....piav tsi meej
seb yuav ua cas tiag....
2) IT LOOKS LIKE HMOOB DAWB SAU TSAB CAI NO..not
to insult anyone...but looks like the some of the methods only applies
to
white hmong...
3) SO LITTLE TO MEJKOOB.....them tsi ntau...mej koob twb yog tus uas
mus nreg tshoob kos...mus tiv "lus nyiaj lus kub"...tus uas mus
txis txij nkawm...at least $20/hr los pob.....we take of work for this,
and we only get "alcohol and 120 bucks..." yog yuav tab cai xws
li luag..yauv tsum coj li luag...how much does it cost to go to get
a marriage license (including hours total). some may say "las vegas
charage 20 bucks..."...well, las vegas takes 5 minutes...hmong takes
2 days....
phwvnyawm, i fyou have a complete copy, i would like to see it....if you
could post it in here..i would appreciate it..
Tsujsua Dluag
wht i want to know is...tsab cai no puas "legal"???
lha
18 xeem tsab cai sib yuav no yeej good lawm, YOG SAWVDAWS sib koom tes.
Kuv yeej nyiam qhov $5k nqi taubhau hos $800 nqi noj haus. Tabsis qhov
tsis zoo mas yog li no:
Hmoob paub haistias $5k nqi taubhau xwb tseem tsawg heev... yog li
Hmoob tsuas yog lam ua txuj ua raws li lawv txoj cai xwb, tabsis thaum
hais tiag tuaj Hmoob muab lwm yam coj los txuam nrog,,, thaum kawg tus
nqi tshoob nce mus txog $10k+ lawm.
Kuv xav tias txawm yuav tsim txoj cai twg tuaj los yeej khi tsis tau
Hmoob. Hmoob tsis ruam khiag li.
Kuv twb ntsib qhov no nyob rau Wisconsin los lawm kuv thiaj li hais.
Nej hov xav li cas????
lha
Tsujsua Dluag
temsis, qhov kuv nug mas....seb tsab cai no puas yog "ntau thwj liab
ploog" from the state na....is it a legal law for the hmong?
Xejthim
Es koj twb yog ib tug paub tshoob kos, especially rau nej cov Moob Leeg
yog vim li cas nej cuab kwv tij hos tsis xa koj los sis nej ib tug kom
paub tab mus nrog lawv txhim kho mas? Yog tias thaum luag tiaj tab yus
tsuas nros yus ua ntxoov tes saib ces luag ua tau tsis haum yus siab
los yuav tau txhob nroos vim twb passed luag lub rooj txwj laug tag
lawm. Yog thaum ho tias tej xwm ntawd los txog tus twg es tus ntawd
tsis kam yuav li ntawd los kawg tog vauv haj yam zoo siab tau pojniam
dawb li nej hais xwb. Raws li hauv Wisconsin mas txhua lub zej zog
nyias yeej muaj nyias ib pab txwj laug represents each clan locally
thiab lawv modified tej yam me me kom fit li kev coj noj coj ua rau pab
neeg hauv lub zej zog ntawd.
YT
Nyob rau MN ces peb yeej siv lawm. Kuv tsev neeg kiag los yeej siv
lawm. Muaj ntau rooj tshoob kuv tau pom thiab ua los yeej siv lawm.
Qhov tseeb tiag qhov phem thiab qhov zoo yog nyob ntawm yus ua niam ua
txiv txiav txim siab xwb. Yog yus ua nkhaus los yeej yuav nkhaus tiam
sis txawm yuav nkhaus npaum li cas los yeej kawg ua neej ua tsav xwb.
Kuv txiv hlob muaj ib lo lus hais tias "Kav tsij tsuag-g xwb thaum luag
tseem pom hais tias yus yog niam yog txiv. Luag twb tuaj raws li kab
tshoob kev kos, poj ua cia yawm ua tseg lawm ces kaj tsij maj xwb. Yus
kam tsis kam los tej hluas yeej ua niam txiv lawm. Cav tus nyablaj,
nplog, khejdub, etc... coj lawm yus twb hais tsis tau dab tsi."
Tus nkhaus ces txog twg los yeej yuav nkhaus. Luag txoj cai yeej zoo
tshaj yus txoj.
Yias
YT
ib HAIV neeg lawm, muaj qee yam luag yeej ua tsis tau rau yus. Tus
phem ces txog twg los yeej phem, tus zoo ces txog twg los yeej zoo.
Thaum ub muaj ib tug kwv tij zeem Lauj mas luag ua neej ua tsav txog
yus mas yuav tsum yog 30 choj xwb. Thaum yus ho mus tis kev neej kev
tsav txog luag no ces yus tsis kam tswm 30 choj li.
Tus nqi tshoob tsis yog nqi Ntxhais. Kom sawv daws tau taub hais tias
yus tus Ntxhais, $1 Mil los yeej yuav tsis tau. Tsis txhob muab tej
niam lwm yam coj los tsuam txuam rau hauv.
Yias
phwvnyawm
Xejthim wrote:
> Nej pheej hais ua luaj tias cov Hmoob 18 xeem no puas paub kev tshoob
> kos, cas yuav hais tau insult lawv ua luaj. Twb xaiv 18 xeem cov ej ej
> noj kaus yaig tuaj tsim tsab cai no ntag los mos....tus thawj tswj
> ntawm faim kev tshoob kev kos, kev ploj kev tuag no ces txawm yog ib
> tug txiv nuj sua kav thaj tsam qaum teb chaws America no ntag. Hais
> txog kab tshoob kev kos xwb luag qi ib sab qhov muag pos ib sab kaum
> ncauj hais xwb los yeej tau noj lawm nav es nej yuav lam mus thuam luag
> ua tus dab tsi, leej twg tseem yuav heev tshaj yawg lawm no maj?
Yog koj hais tiag los dag naj....xyov yog thuam los qhuas? Kuv yeej xav
mus sab phem ntau xwb nta nawj...hais txog ntawm 18 xeem txoj cai tus
nqi tshoob thiab noj haus mas yeej siv tau lawm.Yog yuav ua tshoob li
peb cov hluas tam sim no ces tseem nyuaj rau peb lawm.Vim peb tsis paub
kev tshoob kos zoo.Nej sim muab twm rau cov laus mloog saib lawv hais
li cas.Yog yuav khaws txuj hmoobtseg tiag mas lawv yuav tau mus ntsib
cov kws laus yeej paub lub paus rau lub ntsis.Thiaj li tsimnyog 18 xeem
txoj hauj lwm los txhim kho hmoob txuj.
Pebcov nyob Ca feem ntau lawv yeej tsis tau siv 18 xeem txoj cai.Tab
sis lub caij no sawv daws yeej sau li ntawd lawm,ces kuj yog los dhos
lawm.Ib cov mas yeej tseem sau 6,7-8 phav ntxiv noj haus saib tus muaj
kwv tij coob los tsawg.Ib txhia lawv tiv nqi raulawv cov ntxhais (piv
txwv)peb muaj i tus kwv tij yawg muaj 6 tus ntxhais: 3 tug hlob ces
yuav hmoob awg sau raws li hmoob sau tus 1 yuav txiv xyoo 82 yawg sau
600. 2 yuav xyoo 88 2000 phav. 3 yuav xyoo 90 yawg sau 3000 phav.Tus 4
yawg cov ntxhais yog tus kawm ntawv siab tshaj thiab ho zoonkauj dua
cov.Yog xyoo 94-95 yawg hais tias yog leej twg tsis muaj 10 phav mas
txhob tuaj hais yeej tsis muab.Thaum kawm tus no tsis tau txiv hmoob
yuav,cia li mus yuav ib yawg Suav,tus ntxhais tuaj hais rau niam thiab
txiv tias neb yuav sau nqis tshoob li cas?leej txiv ntsiag lawm b
chim...mas teb tias me ntshais neb muaj li cas them li ntawd...yog neb
tsis muaj los kawg cia li xwb...tus ntxhais hais rau leej txiv thiab
niam tias neb yuav tsum hais hais tus nqi xwb-b ...leej xiv thiaj hais
tias yog neb them 3 phav.Tus ntshais tsis zoo siab nws hais tiasyog li
neb kuj muab kuv txo nqi lawm ( neb mab kuv on sale) puas yog? leej
txiv mam thov txim tias tim kuv muab koj hais nqi kim-m es koj thiaj
mus yuav Suav lawm. tus 5 mus yuav Mev,Mev yuav tau 3 los 4 xyoo muaj 1
tug me nyuam lawm,luag twb tsis tau tuaj hais tshoob,thaum twg nkawv
muaj nyiaj nkawv mam tuaj ua ib nyuag pluag mov noj sib ntxis. Tus 6
tseem tsis tau yuav txiv.
Peb cov hluas yuav tau hloov,yoog luag lwm haiv neeg kom los haum rau
peb thiab.
Tsujsua Dluag
to be honest with you, kuv tsi pom qab hais li cas...vim tias in
sacramento, cov niag hmoob hawj tom qab no ces...feem ntau kuv yuav
pojniam rau...temsis....thaum mus sablaj, kuv tsi paub txog...vim tias
lawd caw cov "txawj ntses" mus xwb....
tus mus "sign" tsab cai no...kuv tsi paub xyov yog leejtwg...peb cov
hmoob hawj yuav muaj ntau?? muaj 2-4 leeg ua mej koobxwb....peb twb tsi
paub li....
tsi tag li, whoever signed tsab cai no, twb tsi los qhia peb thiab...
cia li mus yuam rau peb coj.....cia li assume tias peb yauv coj....
TSI MEEJ PEM NA...niaj hnub no es...kuv twb tsi paub tus nreg xeem
hauv sacramento yog leejtwg tiag...kuv twb tsi paub xyov tus leejtwg yog
tus uas sign tsab cai no....
Tsujsua Dluag
it...right??
phabej
Kuv ho xav txawm koj nawj. Yog Hmoob 18 xeem called haiv Hmoob muaj
peev xwm tsim tau tej tsab cai nqi tshoob kos ntug ntoob li no yuav
tsum siv apply tau rau txhua hom/haiv neeg uas tuaj yuav Hmoob los sis
Hmoob mus yuav lawv mas kuv thiaj qhuas ov. Hos yog ua tau rau Hmoob
xwb tiam sim thaum txog kiag rau lwm haiv neeg ces tsis kam tham ib lo
txog hmoob txoj cai tsam ho tsis tau tes so ntswg nram nkauj ces xam
tau hais tias yog cai quav dev xwb.
Piv txwv, ib tug ntxhais Hmoob mus yuav ib tug yawg Dub pluag pluag
tsis muaj kis tuaj them niam txiv. Tab sis niam yuav tau siv Hmoob 18
xeem txoj cai roob taus ntheev tsis hle, yog tus vauv Dub them taus
niam txiv ces nws tsis tau poj niam es niam txiv muab nkawv ob niam
txiv sib cais lus hmoob hais tias muab nkawv thim tseg li phooj ywg
Tsujsua hais tsis pub nkawv sib yuav. Yog niam txiv ua tau li no tus
yees ntag no mas kuv txawm tsa tes rau Hmoob 18 xeem txoj cai ntag. Tab
sis kuv ntseeg tias yeej tsis muaj ib nkawm niam tais yawm txiv Hmoob
twg uas yuav kam siv txoj cai no los ntaim nkawv tus vauv Dub kiag li
na. Nej tsis ntseeg los nej kuj sim xwb tiag, yog sim mas yeej pom xwb
tiag-nram nkau na.
Yog muaj kev hlub txuam nrog lwm haiv neeg sab nrauv mas yeej tsis muaj
ib tug Hmoob twg yuav stop tau kiag li na. Hmoob tsuas yog khav ua tau
rau Hmoob nkaus xwb.
Xejthim
Yog yuav muab hais ces yeej muaj ntau yam hais tiam sis kuv hos xav
tias txog ntawm nqes kab tshoob kev kos no mas yog thaum twg lub txheej
no becomes ua ib qhov norm rau Hmoob lawm mas kuj yog ib qhov zoo, kev
yuav nce nqis tshoob li ub li no, tiv nqis siab npaum ub npaum no yuav
qhais zog lawm. Kuj yog ib qhov zoo rau peb cov muaj tub coob zog. Dhau
li ntawd tej mej koob los kuj yuav tsis tau mus sib khom tus nqi tshoob
tsheej hmo lawm...
Lub koom haum no mas ib qhov tsis zoo mas yog lawv muab involve rau
ntau yam dhau hwv lawm...piv li tias cia li muab txuam yuaj mus rau
Hmoob cov politic lawm thiab. Piv li hauv Wisconsin, cov thawj coj
tseem yuav kev nyiaj ib xeem twg yog raug kwv lam $600 coj mus ua dej
num thiab no mas kuv xav tias ntshai yeeb nkab yuav tsis ncho kiag li
ntag. Kuv pom tias cov hlob yuav muab steer mus raws nkaus li vp lawv
lub LV ntag.
Hmong-Lao
Kuv xav hais tias yog neb to taub yuam kev lawm pob! Neb sim xav seb
lub state uas tso cai rau gay thiab lisbian sib yuav ntawv peb cov nyob
rau lwm lub state puas yuav tsum ua raws li lawv ma? Yog li ntawd,
Hmoob txoj cai tsuas tsim los kav tau Hmoob thiab xwb, puas yog li
ntawd? Tsis tag li ntawd, tseem yog los kav cov Hmoob uas nyob teb
chaws USA thiab cov uas nws kam lees los ua raw Hmoob txoj cai tshiab
ntawd thiab xwb. Yog leej twg tsis ua raws ces tus ntawv mam cia tog
nraug vauv txiav txim siab los sis cia mab dawb txoj cai txiav txim rau
xwb. It is that simple.
HL
Hmo...@hotmail.com
Hmo...@hotmail.com
phabej
Hais txog cov state legalize gay/lesbian marriage ntawv nws txawv Hmoob
18 xeem txoj cai sau nqi tshoob no laiv. Ua li lawv txoj cai puas kom
cov gays/lesbians them nqi tshoob $5k/$800 ma? I don't think so. It's
simply all gays/lesbians to marry that's all.
Tej kuj yog li koj hais thiab, 18 xeem txoj cai tsuas tsim los rau cov
kam lees los raws Hmoob txoj cai tshiab xwb tiag. Nws yuav tsis apply
rau txhua tus Hmoob, yom. Zoo li koj ho rov contridict koj tus kheej
tias 18 xeem txoj cai "tseem yog los kav cov Hmoob uas nyob teb chaws
USA thiab cov uas nws kam lees los ua raw Hmoob txoj cai tshiab ntawd
thiab xwb." Tab sis "Yog leej twg tsis ua raws ces tus ntawv mam cia
tog nraug vauv txiav txim siab los sis cia mab dawb txoj cai txiav txim
rau xwb." Yog li ntawv ces txhais tau hais tias tsis yog ib txoj cai
mab tab tham es yuav kav tau txhua tus Hmoob USA li no laiv puas yog?
Leej twg xav siv los siv hos tsis xav siv los tau no yom. Yog li ntawv
ho tsim los ua tus dab tsi?
Ib qho ntxiv raws li hnov mas hais tias Hmong 18 txoj cai tshiab, hais
txog fab poj nrauj poj ntsuam na. Nyob yav ntuj qub qab tim ub Hmoob
tsis muaj sai sau nqi poj nrauj poj ntsuam unless saw me tub me nyuam.
Tab sis 18 xeem txoj cais tshiab no sais txawm yog poj nrauj poj ntsuam
los muaj sau nqi tshoob thiab no tod.Yog tus poj nrauj twg sib yuav tau
tsis ntev sib nrauj es rov sib yuav no ces muaj nqi zog tus uas sib
yuav tau 10 tawm xyoo es ho sib nrauj mam sib yuav tshiab no laiv. Yog
muaj tseeb li hnov mas kuv xav tias nws yog ib txoj cai uas promote cov
poj nrauj poj ntsuam tias lawv tseem muaj nqis kawg thiab no. Nej leej
twg paub zoo txog qhov no no ho piav pub peb mloog sob.
pos...@yahoo.com
Haiv neeg uas muaj 18 lub taub hau koom ib lub cev mas yeej nyuab.
Qhov tseeb tiag kev sau nqi tshoob nqi kos tsis yog ib qhov yuav tsum
tau muaj cai los tswj vim peb tsis yog yug tub yug ntxhais los ua lag
ua luam li tej tsiaj ntxhu. Cov niam txiv uas tsis sau nqi tshoob nqi
kos twb yog cov uas nqis tes los pib txoj kev ua zoo rau txoj kev tsa
cuab tsa yim rau tej tub tej ntxhais lawm. Kuv ntseeg tias ob peb tiam
neeg tom ntej no ces Hmoob nyob USA no yuav tsis sau nqi tshoob lawm.
Peb Hmoob tseem tsis tau vam meej txog qhov uas peb yuav tsim tau peb
txoj cai nqi tshoob nqi kos kom ntiaj teb no nrog peb siv tau. Twb
tsis hais luag lwm haiv yuav nrog peb siv, yus cov nyuag kwv tij kiag
xwb los tus yuav sau nqi tshoob li cas los twb muaj.
Nyob Minnesota, tus president (the second president) thiab ib nrab
ntawm cov boards puav leej yog neeg muaj niam hlob niam yau. Lawv los
hais cov plaub niam deev hluas nraug txiv deev hluas nkauj mas yeej
tsis haum siab kiag li. Muaj tej tus board twb tau deev dua luag poj
luag sev dua los lawm los tseem tau mus ua board rau hauv thiab. Muaj
ib txhia pej xeem yeej tsis lees paub lawv tus nres xeem hauv koom haum
18 Xeem vim lawv yeej tsis tau xaiv thiab xa leej twg mus sawv cev lawv
rau tom 18 xeem.
Kuv xav tias vim yus yeej tsis muab yus tus me tub thiab me ntxhais los
sib txis ua txwj ua nkawm, peb yuav tau qhib siab kom dav ua li feem
coob nyiam. Rau kuv ces 18 Xeem lub txhooj nyob Minnesota yeej siv
nyog lawm; kuv ho tsis paub txog lub nyob CA.
Muas Pos
Tsujsua Dluag wrote:
> to all,
>
> over the weekend, kuv mus hais ib tus pojniam rau ib tus phoojywg in
> merced, ca. tsi muaj teebmeem dabtsi, temsis daig ib qho....ua rau
> tshoob kos plam lawm. this was my first failure as a mejkoob after about
> 30 successful weddings.
>
> kuv kuj tsi paub tseeb, temsis tsab cai 18 xeem no, yog leejtwg pib
> tiag? is it a legal system supported by the court of CA? cov uas tab
> tsab cai no puas paub kev tshoob tiag? according to many people, tsab
> cai no mas "ntaus thwj liab ploog by the legisture" lawm....nej paub yog
> li cas tiag?
>
> anyway, after about 4 hours of "sis nyom" txog nqi tshoob, both side of
> the family finally ran out of breath...and both kuv thiab tus txum mej
> gave up due to incurable feelings about "traditional" price and the new
> price set forth by 18 xeem....
>
> for those of you uas nyob CA, nej puas tau practice tsab cai no thiab?
> let me know, so that i could justify my failure as a mejkoob.
Lajntxiag
Teb koj lo lus me ntsis raws li qhov kuv xav (txawm hais tau yog thiab
tsis yog los kuv vam tias nej sawv daws yuav xyuas qhov tseeb):
Yog tias koj hais txog phau ntawv (United Hmong International
Inc.-Fresno, CA, luam tawm thaum 1998, es tsis muaj tshaj 40 nplooj
ntawv), es tsis ntev tas los no (July 2005) tau muab rau ntau tus, tus
hlob mus dhau tus yau, xees npe, ces kuv yog hais txog phau ntawd.
Raws li kuv saib, kuj tsis muaj ib yam twg es yuav qhia tau tias phau
ntawv lawv tsim tau no yog ib phau es yeej tau kev tso cai los ntawm ib
lub California court, los yog state legislature los. Txawm yuav muaj
thwj liab pes vog, los peb yuav tau ua zoo saib seb nws yog leej twg
cov thwj, cov npe. Nyob nrog cov thwj (notorized signatures) hauv phau
ntawv, kuj tsis pom muaj ib lub thwj es yog los tom California state
assembly los. Tsis pom ib tsab ntawv es yog ib tus nom tswv hauv
California State Legislature sau. Rau nej cov es paub txog txoj kev
tsim ib tsab cai los rau pej xeem siv hauv Xeev, qhov no yeej qhia meej
tias seb nws puas "legit" los tsis "legit" lawm.
Raws li kuv muab cov ntsiab lus nyeem me ntsis, kuv xav tias nws yuav
tsis legal tas txhua yam, vim muaj ntau yam es tsis meej pem thiab,
qhov tseem ceeb tshaj, ntau yam "cai" es phau ntawv tau sau tseg, tab
sis hais tau tsis ncaj ncees rau txhua tus, tsis hais cov poj niam los
cov txiv neej. Yog muab ua zoo luj, tej zaum ib txhia "cai" hauv phau
ntawv no yuav tsis muaj hnub es yuav siv tau raws li kev ncaj ncees.
--Lajntxiag
fajkhaum
Tej cai ntawd ces yug tsim yug rhuav xwb las sav. Cov nom Moob kws tsim
cov cai nuav ntaag laud yog cov kws yuav nyom kuas them ntau tshaaj
nad.
Kuv mas kuv ho xaav le nuav xwb:
1. Yog txug Moob ces xaav sau ntau zog los tau yog tug ntxhais tsim
txaj ntsuav.
2. Yog tug ntxhais tsi tsim txaj moog yuav Mev yuav Dlub lawm ces muab
xaam tas tuag lawm nua.
3. Yog tsi kaam them nqe nua ces ca le muab pub dlawb dlawb xwb ntaag.
Ua tshoob tub tsi need le ntaag. Sib ntsib los xaam tas quas Moob xws
Moob tsi muaj qhov sib txheeb. Thaum twg sib ntsib los hu tas Hey...
young man... nua xwb tag.
phabej
tsuas siv tau rau WI, MN, thiab CA li xyoo puav tom ntej no xwb. Nws
yuav tsis kav Hmoob mus ib txhis. Yog thaum twg Hmoob siv tau tus yees
rau thiab nrog lwm haiv neeg lawm mas thiaj hais tau tias yog ib txoj
cai tshoob kos uas siv tau nawj. Hos tsis li ces kam liam cia Hmoob ua
hmoob kom qaug zog tso.
phabej
Koj twb nyob CA es cas koj tseem tsis pom zoo siv 18 19 xeem txoj cai
no thiab? Koj 3 nqe lus saum toj no tsis pog tseg kiag. Qhov ntawv ntag
lau qhov kuv hais tias cai quav dev na. Twb yog yus tus ntxhais yus yug
kiag hauv yus plab los los thaum ntaim tsis tau vauv Dub, Mev, Dawb,
Daj nqi mis nqi hno lawm ces cia li "muab xaam tas [tus ntxhais] tuag
lawm nua." Yog yuav hais mas yeej tsis mob plab yug tej ntxhais kiag
li es thiaj li hais tau tias tuag lawm-yog mus yuav Dub thiab Mev na.
Hos yog yuav Hmoob mas nim mob mob niam plab heev li yuav tsum tau 5k
mus rau 10k mas thiaj tseev xwb. Tej cai no yog cai dab tsi ne?
phwvnyawm
Tej cai no yog cai dab tsi ne?
Cai quav dev los mas..Koj sim soj ntsuam mus yav tom ntej nawb...lwm
hnub cov nyuag uas sau cov cai no yog cov yuav sau ntau ntag os...peb
yeej tseem tsis tau-au tuag sai yuav pom xwb los mas...tiag-g mas tuaj
rooj teb no tsis txhob sau nqi ntau-au lawm vim cov vauv thiab ntshai
tseem hlub niam tais yawm txiv dua niam pog txiv yawg naj....niam tais
thiab yawm txiv tuag vauv tseem tua nyuj ib yam cov tub thiab
ned...vauv los yeej raug pab niam tais ,yawm txiv nce toj nqes taug
tshaj cov tub...yog yus sau nqi ntau no yus puas txaj muag txib luag
maj...
Born2beHmong
meej, vim tus presidend nyob rau hmoob 18 xeem hauv fresno yog tus tham
ntag.
"Chimtaglos_UaSiabntevnawb" <>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Sau Nyiaj Tshoob Kos
tijlaug Dr Wahoua aws,
ua li cas es koj ua tij yuav hais lus tag npauv li lauv. es koj ua tij
los twb yog hmoob 18 xeem los yog Hmong International Council tus me
president dhau los lawm thiab ntag. zoo heev yog li na, kuv yeej ib
txwm xav kiag li koj ua tij hais hauv qab no thiab tiag.
kuv hais tias, ua li cas es peb txhua tus no twg yog US citizens tag
tus lawm--es peb cov hmoob no tej thaum hoj tseem yuav mus muab ib cov
Sub-Laws coj los tswj peb hmoob tej me neeg ruam qauj thiab tiag. yog
thaum twg txog cov ruamqauj thiab pejxeem mas, yus yuav muab yus tej
niag cai tsi muaj qab muaj hauv--ua yeej tsi prove los ntawm yus cov
LOCAL, STATE, FEDERAL Representatives ua cai los rau yus ris thiab ev
hos. tos American niaj hnub muab Chai Soua Vang hus ua immigrant xwb
no los, ntshe yog lawv tseem xav li pab cov me hmoob no hos, es peb
tseem yuav nyob sub-human ua ib tom laws ua neeg citizens American no
yeej tsi nrog taug nrog peb hmoob lawm thiab nev.
kuv xav hais tias, thaum kuv ua kiag tau citizen Ameican ces ntshe yuav
ris the law of the land and its governing body nas has. ntuj aws, ua
li cas es kuv tseem yuav tau mus ris ib tom laws hauv qab lawm thiab,
uas zoo kiag li kuv yeej yog SECOND CLASS CITIZEN tiag tiag nyob rau
teb chaw America no thiab tiag. yog li no, txhob tusiab thaum luag
label yus thiab discriminating against yus yom os.
kuv yeej xav kiag li koj ua tij hais tias, thaum txog cov ruamquaj mas
luag yuam tau, thaum txog luab cov coj noj coj ua thiab yog nom yog
tswv lawm. luag hais tias, yog koj tsi zoo siab mus lawm tim Court---,
kuv tsi yog Sub-Human li nej cov no os. ces peb tej me cais no ces mus
tsi tau qhov twg li tiag. tsi tag li xwb, peb twb tsi muaj living
proof ua, yog leej twg tsi kam ua thiab yuam cais es yuav tau muab txom
mus kaws tom Jail thiab nev. leej twg tsi ua lawm los, peb kawg ntsia
qhov muag ntsuab siab es ...........lolz, CIAS LI KHAWS NTXUB NTXUS
LUAG XWB....TUSIAB KAWG, YOG MUAB XAV RAU YUS HAIVNEEG OS......
SECOND CLASS CITIZEN--NO MATTER WHERE WE LIVE ON EARTH.
koj kwv
>>>HOUA YANG <> wrote:
Yawmyij Yim Leej aw...
Peb cov Hmoob mas koj thiab kuv paub zoo... Koj txawm tsis tau ua 18
Xeem Hmoob tus president los kuv tham ces koj yeej tseem nco qab mas.
Fresno, CA los yeej muaj cov Txhooj li lub tam sim no peb Minnesota os.
Qhov ua niaj hnub no tsis muaj lawm ces yog thaum tshoob kos tseem
txog cov ruam thiab cov pej xeem xwb ces lawv cov coj yuam kom yuav
txoj cai ntawm lub Txhooj, tabsis hnub twg yog tshoob kos kis los txog
ntawd cov coj lawm ces luag hloov lawm xwb. Koj tsis nug ces zoo yog
koj nug ces luag teb hais tias "koj tsis muaj qhov muag los ua cas!
Koj tuaj yuav ntxhais nom ntxhais tswv ces koj kuj ua tshoob ua kos li
nom tswv ua xwb." Hnub ntawd leej twg cam tas. Kuv tsis xav noj nws
nkaub tuav nws npe xwb hos.
Hnub no, peb nrog luag nyob rau xyoo 2005 lawm, tabsis yog vim licas es
peb tseem muaj ALL MEN organization xwb nas? Tsis tau li ntawd los cov
niaj ua mus nyob hauv los tseem yog tib co muaj FREE TIME ntau tshaj
xwb tiag. Yog vim li no ces lawv thiaj tsa cov BAD LAWS. When I said
"bad laws" mas yog cov laws ua muaj direct/indirect conflicted nrog
local, state and federal laws. Tej yam zoo li no ces yog luag
challenge yus mus court ces yus quav dim pem tsev lawm. Koj puas nco
qab ib yawg me koob mus dai tuag pem Lost Lake? Tej me no tiag. Yus
xav xav kom yus tus me tub tau qhib thawj teg ntag. Nws mas ruam tsis
ruam nws twb tsis paub hais tias txawm tsis tau muaj neeg ua los yeej
muaj neeg muag lawv tej ntiv tes mus kov ua ntej lawm nas. Nws tseem
tuag kiag rau nws txog kev ruam.
Ua tsaug,
>>>yilengvang@ wrote:
Dr. Wa Houa,
Hmong International Council (los yog Hmong 18 xyeem) tau ua tau ib TSAB
CIA txog nqi tshoob.
Kuv tseem ho tsis tos-tau txog Hmong International Council lawm thiab!
Lawv lub npe mas Yog Hmong International Council tabsi lawv ho hais
tias lawm ua rau cov Hmong nyob U. S. no yuav xwb. Tsis tag li ntawv
lawv daim ntawv by law ntawd lawv yeej tsis INVOLVE ib tug pojniam rau
li. Tsis tag li xwb thiab, lawv tseem ho mus CONFLICT nrog America
qhov marriage law lawm thiab. Koj tus ib txwm tau ua Hmoob 18 Xyeem
tus President los lawm ne, xav li cas thiab na lod?
Yim Leej
>>Quoting HOUA YANG <>: wrote
> Well, yog koj thiab kuv them lawm ces kawg cov yeej yuav them xwb... Tabsis, yog koj thiab kuv tsis them ces tsis ntev no cov yawg hauv no tsis them tas tus ces peb sawv daw tsis them ces qhov ua tsis them nqi ntxhais yog qhov yog lawm xwb.
>
> Ob peb xyoo no mas tau lub npe phem thiab tau lub npe zoo txawv tsis deb lawm nas... Osama yeej phem rau peb cov nyob sab hnub poob, tabsis nws nws nrov kawg rau lawv cov nyob sab midleeast ne.
>
> Npe phem yog dab tsis...?
>
> Npe zoo yog dab tsis maj?
>
> Koj kuj yog koj ces kuv yog kuv xwb! Leej twg yog tus yuav yuav nyiaj ntau ntau vim nws tsa nws tus ntxhais yim mas ntshai tus ntawd yuav phem dua peb cov tsis yuav no pob?
>
> Ua tsaug,
>
>
> chia vang <> wrote:
> Ua neeg nyob tsis xav yuav lub npe phem ces kawg them xwb los mas. Yog them ntshe yuav zoo dua qhov uas luag hais tias "Niag ntawv nas yuav lawv tus ntxhais es cia li tsis kam them nyiaj nqi tshoob nad." Koj hais puas yog
> mas, Dab Laug?
>
> Ua tsaug,
>
>
> >From: HOUA YANG <>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sibtham] Sau Nyiaj Tshoob Kos
> >Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Koj kuj sim tsis txhob them saib nws yuav mus foob koj rau qhov twg xwb.
> >Kuv xav mas peb pheej yeem yeem yeem them ntau ntau ntau kawg li ne. Yog
> >koj thiab kuv wb yaum peb cov phooj ywg es peb tsis them saib lawv yuav mus foob peb rau qhov twg nas?
> >
> >Ua tsaug,
> >
> >
> >chia vang <> wrote:
> >Hmong brothers and sisters,
> >
> >Kev marriage custom ntawm peb Hmoob mas cov nyom kawg nkaus li. Feem tub
> >ntxhais ntau mas thaum lawv sib yuav lawm mas Tog Ntxhais Niam thiab Txiv
> >sau nyiaj ze li $8,000 mus rau $10,000. Tom qab nkawv lub neej puas, vim
> >yog tus Ntxhais, los tog Ntxhais Niam thiab Txiv yeej tsis kam thim tej nqi tshoob rov qab lawm. Lawv cia li hais li no "Koj nyiaj txiag ces tsis nyob qab tsuas qhuav lawm nawb." Nov zoo rau cov tub uas muaj niam muaj txiv xwb,
> >hos cov tub tsis muaj niam muaj txiv ces luag lub neej cia li quaj ntsuag
> >tas mus li. Kuv xav tias peb Hmoob txoj kev sib xyuav mas nyuab kawg nkaus. Xyov Hmoob yuav ua li cas laud.
> >
> >Ua tsaug,
> >
> >
> > >From: "Her Lee" <>
> > >Subject: kev nyob USA
> > >Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:59:48 -0500
> > >
> > > Tsoom phooj ywg s/d
> > >
> > >Nej xav li cas? Peb kev nyob rau lub teb chaws Ameica no na?
> > >
> > >Peb muaj kab tshoob kev koj ua, muaj kev neej kev tsav.
> > >
> > >Thaum muaj ib tug tub ntxhais sib yuav lawm tsis ua li hmoob ua los tsis zoo, ua li los tsis zoo, sau nyiaj lawm tom qab tej tub ntxhais tsis sib hlub los yog Niam Txiv tsis nyiam tub nyab tau mus hais tim asmarika
> >thiab. Nej pos xav tias cia ua li American thiab?
> > >
> > >Nej cov tub txawj ntxhais ntse pos pom yuav muab sib kho li cas thiab.
> > >
> > >Ntxoov Lis
lha
no yog lus sibtham xwb, tsis totaub koj hais dabtsi.
lha
YT
kuv ntseeg hais tias ib txhia Hmoob ces tus phem yeej yuav phem kom ti
txha. Twb nqa phom mus tus tsiaj los yeej tsis paub hais tias tus
tsiaj twg thiaj tuav tau. Tsuas yog tsiaj ces tua tag nrho. Tej cai
no yeej muaj lawm ib txhia Hmoob yeej tsis siv. Mus nuv ntshes los
yeej nuv tshaj-j. Luag txhom tau mam them xwb los puas sis dag hais
tias tsis paub kev cai.
Kuv tsuas ntseeg hais tias tus phem ces yeej phem tus zoo ces txog twg
los yeej zoo. Kuv xav pom mas cia txog peb cov hluas seb puas ua nyuab
xwb? Kuv xam pom muaj txhia nyob hauv no mas ntxim yuav ua nyuab kawg,
muaj ib txhia kuj lias yuav yooj yim mloog teb chaw thiab.
Yias
phwvnyawm
Txoj kev ua yooj yim no mas cov hluas yeej nyiam feem coob lawm ntag
os....tab sis nws cov niag kwv tij yog cov ua nyuaj ces saib nws
yuav-v kwv tij los nws tsis yuav.Muaj ntau rooj tshoob niam thiab txiv
ua yooj-j yim kwv tij cia li khiav tsis nrog hais tshoob, thaum kawg
yawg pab txiv tub noj tshoob xwb.Cov hluas ib cov yeej tseem coj nyuaj
tshaj cov laus lawm thiab.Vim tuaj teb chaw no lawv tsis thawv leej twg
lawm.Txawm cov aus tuagtag lawm los yeej muaj cov phem-m ntawd sawv los
hloov lawv chaw.Ces ua li koj hais yeejyuav muaj cov phem nyob txhua
txhia qhov chaw.
phwvnyawm
lha
Koj hais yog lawm, kuv tsuas yog xav ntxiv ob-peb los xwb. Kuv vam
tias peb cov tuaj hauv no yuav tsis coj li koj hais lawm vim peb twb
yog cov paub tab lawm.
Txawm yog yus tus kwvtij tsis ua li yus nyiam thiab xav los, kuv xav
kom peb ua ntsuas ua lim hiam hwv thiab, txawm yuav tsis mus koom nrog
thiab pab. Nws twb tsis yog yus tub yus ki lossis yus yug kiag es, lawv
txawm tsis ua li yus nyiam los yuav tau pab thiab. Peb yuav tau txhob
xav txog ntawm peb tus kheej xwb.
lha
muastony
Cov state ua lawv tso cai rau cov gay thiab lesbian yeej siv tau rau
cov state ua luag tso cai thiab tseem siv tau rau cov haiv neeg ua nyob
rau lub state ntawd tshua tus yog leej twg xav tau thiab xav ua zaj
ntawd tabsi peb Hmoob txoj cai tsua siv tau rau Hmoob xwb, yog vim dab
tsi es thiaj ua los siv rau Hmoob xwb. Yog peb muaj zoo ib txoj cai kuj
coj siv rau tag nrog cov neeg nyob Amelika teb no. Tsi hais Dub, Dawb,
Mev, Nyablaj, Nplog, Khabmeem, thiab lwm yam neeg. Yog hais txog Hmoob
mas nim muaj cai kawg, tabsi lwm haiv yuav yus cov ntxhais no tsi hais
ib los lus kiag vim txaj muag rau ib tsoom Hmoob.
Hmoob txoj cai nqi tshoob thiab tej yam ua Hmoob tej mi ntxhais nrog
Hmoob tej tub hluas mus ua si lawm mas Hmoob muaj plus kawg thiab muaj
cai kawg, yog nej tsi thov thiab tsi yuav mas hu police kiag tabsi yog
Hmoob cov ntxhais mus yuav lwm haiv thiab Hmoob cov ntxhais hos nrog
lwm haiv neeg mus ua sim lawm mas Hmoob kaws qhov cauj ruaj kawg tsi
hais leej twg paub tsam txaj muag. Peb yog ib cov neeg paub tab lawm
peb yuav tsuj nrhiav txoj kev zoo coj los rau Hmoob siv, tej ntxhais
tsi yog yus los ua lag luam es yuav muaj ib txoj cai los kav sib hais
txog tus nqi tshoob.
Nej puas enforce tau cov nqi tshoob no yog thaum ib tug twg tsi kam
yuav li nej hais?. Yog muaj txoj cai lawm yog leej twg tsi yuav thiab
violate txoj cai tshoob no lawm nej puas muaj power coj tus neeg no mus
kaws, to punish him/her according to your pride price law? or write
them a ticket to see the court?.
Yog li no kuv thiaj hais tias kuv agree li ua Phabej hais.
Need more input,
Thanks,
Tony
Hmong-Lao
Kuv yeej to tau qhov neb hais lawm. Tab sis kom neb to taub hais tias
lub txhooj tshiab no tsuas yog tsis pub sau tshaj $5,000 xwb, hos yog
nej yuav pub dawb los yeej tau od! Hasi txog ntawm kev teem txim ces
yeej yog li neb hais lawm, yog leej twg tsis ua raws lub txhooj los peb
yeej tsis muaj power yuav rau txim rau leej ntawd. Tab sis neb puas xam
pom hais tias lub txim uas nraug vauv xua kab es yus tus ntxais xuas
ncauj ke ntawd yog ib lub txim nyav kawg nkaus, uas peb cov ua neej ua
tsav yeej tsis muaj leej twg xav ris hlo li? Yeeb vim ntshai tsam sawv
daws tau ris lub txim no es Koom Hawm Hmoob 18 Xeem thiaj tsim tsa lub
txhooj thsiab no los kho kom tsis txhob khib tog twg, es kom yog txog
leej twg los kom thiaj tsheej tshoob tsheej kos. Tiam sis tseem muaj
leej puav uas xam kom tau $10,000+ roob taus theev tsis hle li no es
thiaj tseem tau ris lub txim li phooj ywg TsujSua tau hais los ntawd
awb!
Hos hais txog ntawm haiv neeg uas tsis yog Hmoob ntawd, thaum nej mus
yuav lawv tus ntxhais lawv twb tsis sau nqi tshoob thiab ne! Yog thaum
lawv tuaj yuav txog nej tus ntxhais lawm los kuj cia rau lawv xaiv
thiab xwb! Yog luag xav txhij ntim txhua es ho ces me ntsis nqi mis nqi
hno los kuj txais nkaus hos yog tsis cev los kawg luag twb tsis sau yus
thiab ces yus kuj tsis txhob sau luag thiab, puas yog? Hos hais txog
ntawm Hmoob mas poj koob yawm txwv yeej sau los lawm ces yuav tau sau
raws lub teb lub chaw thiab.
All,
Yuav kom lub txhooj no haum sawv daws siab mas nws yeej yuav tsis hau
li, tiam sis cia peb muab xav rau txoj kev zoo xwb es tsis nyiam los
lam ua raws. Nws yuav zoo dua li tsis muaj ib lub txhooj (standard)
kiag. Nej sim saib seb, thaum peb nyuam qhuav tuaj rau teb chaws USA no
tus nqi mis nqi hno yog $400 xwb, tam sis no twb yog $10,000 lawm. "Yog
peb tseem tsis tsim ib lub txhooj los nres thiab mas yav tom ntej no
yuav nce mus txog $100,000 ntag. Yog thaum mus txog li no lawm ntshe
peb tej tub yuav ua yoov ntxua muag xwb laiv. Hos cov uas muaj ntxhais
coob coob li kuv no ces yuav tau ua millionare ntag los hos. (Joke)"
Qhov tseeb ces yog peb tseem sau txog los sis tshaj 10 tawm txhiab lawm
ces tej tub tej ntxhais yuav tsis yuav peb cov ua naim ua txiv lus
lawm, lawv yov mus ua mab ua suav thiab yov mus yoog raws luag lawm
xwb. Thaum zoo li no ces Hmoob kuj ploj hauv lub ntiaj teb no mus xwb!
Ntau zog lawm, thov txim,
HL
Xejthim
You have said it all. Kuv pom zoo li koj hais lawm thiab mas. Yog tsis
muab tus nqi tshoob no txo kom haum ob tog es yuav cia nyias nce nyias
ces yav tag los no thaum suav daws tseem tsis tau muab tus kev cai no
coj los implemented ces an average cost would not less than $8000 for
nqi taub hau ces tag ib puas tsav yam yeej ze li ntawd $10-11,000 lawm.
Yog zoo li ntawd, yog kuv muaj 10 leej teb ces kuv yuav tsum npaj
60-70k mas thiaj li yuav muab nyab tau rau lawv tag hos yog kuv ho muaj
10 leej tnxhais los kuv yuav npaj retire sai sai xwb ntag tiag. $5k is
fair for both sides at least for the current economy. Leej twg tseem
cam siab dhau qhov no thiab ces kuv xav tias yog nws xav muag ntxhais
lawm xwb no laiv.
YT
Koj kuj hais yog lawm. Hais txog ntawm lwm Haiv neeg os. Tiam sis nws
twb tsis yog tim peb Hmoob tag-g thiab ne. Tus txawv neeg ntawd ho
tuaj tis kev neej kev tsav nrog peb lawm nws yuav tsum paub hais tias
peb caj ces zoo li cas thiab no pob. Peb muaj ib tug ntxhais mus koom
neej nrog ib tug vauv nyablaj, tus vauv ntawd tsev neeg twb tuaj ua
tshoob li peb Hmoob kev cai thiab ne. Tej no nws tsis yog tim luag
xwb, qhov tseeb tiag tim peb niag ntxhais tsis thoob tsib xwb.
Peb muaj ib tug ntxhais Hmoob mus koom neej nrog ib tug Asmeslias dawb
los tus Vauv tsev neeg puas leej tuaj tshoob raws peb li kev cai thiab.
Qhov tiag yog yus txim txiaj ces tau txiv txim txiaj thiab xwb los
mas.
Txawm lis cas los peb Hmoob yeej tsis tu noob li es muaj yeej sib yoog
sib coj. Txog kuv los kuv ua zoo rau koj, txog koj los koj ua zoo rau
kuv xwb tau lawm. Kev neej kev tsav ces peb yeej yuav sib ntsib tas
mus kis. Cov neeg ua nkhaus mas nws yeej tsis paub txaj muag rau leej
twg li os.
TxawjvamYias
Born2beHmong
iha,
qhov kuv hais tias tus hmoob 18 xeem tus me president hais ntawv, yog
nws hais tias--thaum ua tshoob ua kos mus txog cov hmoob ruam ces luag
tsuj qees kom yuav tus tshooj cais ua lawv hmoob 18 xeem ntawv teeb
tseg.
hos yog thaum mus txog cov ua yog nom yog tswv dhau los lawm, ces lawv
hais tias--twg twg kom yus yuav ntxhais nom ntxhais tswv ces yuav tau
ua tshoob nom tshoob tswv no xwb. es tus cai no hmoob CA twb rov violet
lawv tus hmoob 18 xeem no txoj cai lawm thiab no xwb.
tsi tag li ntawv xwb, cov kev cais no tsi legal li os yawm Tsuj
aws---tej state no twb tsi ua ib txoj cais los kav li os, hmoob lam ua
los tuav hmoob xwb os. thaum txog cov neeg ruam ces lus nias ntiag kom
yuav txoj cai tshooj no xwb. thaum txog cov ntse ces lawv hais lawv ib
zag ces peb hmoob tsim tej cai no los ua nais duas xwb no os.
more next time
B2BH
phabej
Koj hais yog lus kawg. Txawm yog li koj hais ko es kuv thiaj li hais
tias 18 xeem txoj cai lub txhooj tshoob tshiab no yog cai quav dev xwb
no los mos. Lam khav ua tau rau cov ruam ntawm tug cub xwb.
Kaj hais tias lawv pom xeeb tsa tau lawm ces nyaj yuav kav lawv ib
nyuag ntu. Thaum twg plam txog 2 3 roog li phooj ywj Tsujsua hais lawm
ntag ces Hmoob kawg muab laim ncua tseg. Ua ntau ntshe Hmoob tseem yuav
sib ua rog thiab auv.
