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Positive Legacy:
1. During the US secret war in Laos the Vang Clan had more Captains,
Majors and colonels than all of Hmoob clans.
2. Opened opportunity for Hmoob elementary student became T-28 Pilot.
3. Made Meo became Hmoob that recognized by Communist and Free world
today.
4. Father was colonel and Son was Major with same unit.
5. Paved a way for Hmoob to have high educations.
Negative Legacy:
1. stopped Soua yang to become Lt. General.
2. Forgotten Cher Pao Moua and Zong Zoua Her to Communist LPDR.
3. Exchanged Muag Meo for Ly nengthong-nonghec, Moua ger-viengfa, Zua
tong yang-viengxay, Sao chia thoa-xienghoun.

dony

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Bee,

Ua li cas koj hais lus li vwm dab ntub na....Dony

Vaj Ncuab

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Yawg Beemouachaofa;


Koj twb yog Ph.D. candidate thiab koj twb npaj siab yuav mus ua Lao
Prime Minister es hais lus li koj? Peb cov Vaj tsis tau nom coob
npaum koj hais, cov Lis thiab cov Yaj ua nom coob tshaj. Lub npe
muang Meo yog Nplog thiab Fabkis tiv rau Hmoob (Touby Lyfoung) tus nom
thaum 1946 uas yog tus Chao Muang Muang Meo xeev Xieng Khouang. Thaum
qab no (1960s) Hmoob sawv ua teb ua chaws mam muab muab tus Muang Meo
faib los ua 5 lub Muang. Sab tim Nong Het yog Muang Nong Het - Ly
Neng Thong. Sab Tha Chor, Phou Fa, Phou Vieng, Bouam Long yog Muang
Vieng Fa - Youa Pao Yang then Moua Ger Mouanoutoua. Sab Na Vang teb
yog Muang Vangxay - Youa Tong Yang. Sab Muang Mok yog Muang Nqac yog
Ly Xiong thiab cheeb tsam Khang Hom, nroog Xieng Khouang, Pa kha yog
Muang Xieng Hom - Xao Chia Thao. Yog Gen. Vang Pao, yawg Phaya Touby
Lyfoung, Ly Tong Pao thiab coob tug nom Hmoob pom zoo tsis yog yawgloj
tib leeg.

Qhov koj hais tias yawgloj txwv tsis pub Soua Yang tau Lt. General
yuav tau saib kom meej. Soua Yang tsis yog Major General es yuav nce
mus rau Lt. General. Soua Yang yog ib tug Colonel xwb thiab yog tus
Assistant Commander Military Region 2. Thaum 1972 Nyablaj ntau Long
Cheng nyav nyav Soua Yang thaiv tau thiab Long Cheng tsis tawg.
Huabtais yeej nce Soua Yang mus ua Brig. General lawm tiag tabsi vim
Col. Tou Pao Ly los txeeb, Col. Neng Chue Thao los txeeb es yawgloj
thiaj muab Soua Yang lub xab kaw (hold) cia thiab muab tau 45 million
kip nyiaj rau Soua Yang. But Soua Yang yuav tsum tau coj 2 star
general (Brig. General) thaum 1975 yog peb txhob khiav.

Qhov Col. Soua Yang cem cem yawgloj yog vim tej no, yawgloj los ua
tsis tshua yog lawm thiaj tsis teb.



Vajncuab


TX

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VNC,

Col. Soua Yang did even not speak Laotian correctly how was he
qualified for the Gen. Job?
Even Col. he did not qualify for. Do not be so stupid.

TX

Vaj Ncuab

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Taxas es;


Txawm yog li koj hais ntag Col. Suav Yaj thiaj tsis tau Brig.
General. Yog Suav Yaj txawj ntawv thiab kawm tag hoob 2 hoob 3 li VP
ces Suav Yaj yeej tau Brig. General 100% lawm. Spring 1972 Nyablaj
ntau Looj Ceeb hyav heev VP khiav rau Thaibteb lawm, Col. Tub Pos Lis,
Col. Tub Lwj Muas, koj txiv Col. Neej Tswb Thoj thiab cov thawj tub
rog Hmoob khiav tag los rau Vientiane. Tseg Looj Ceeb rau Suav Yaj
tiv, VP tseem xaj kom Suav Yaj thim los rau Km 52, Ban Don, Phuvnyawm
thiab hla dej mus rau Sayabury zam kev rau Nyablaj tuaj tsuj Vientiane
vim Souvanna Phouma thiab cov Nom Nplog phem heev. Col. Suav Yaj hais
tias tsis khiav yog Looj Ceeb poob ces Boum Long yuav poob, yog Looj
Ceeb swb ces Nplogteb swb rau cov Communist lawm mas ciaj thiab tuag
los tsis khiav. Vim Jerry thiab Bamboo nkawd tseem nrog Suav Yaj nyob
sau tsev Huabtais, cov Thaib cov Nplog qabteb los tseem nrog peb tiv
thaiv Looj Ceeb.

March 28, 1975, hlob Maj. Txawj Tsab Vaj peb cov zov yawgloj tsev
khiav mus rau pem Tsev Huabtais, Col. Suav Yaj ua tawv tawv yuav muab
Txawj Tsab hlais peb thiaj rov qab mus zov yawgloj tsev, hmo ntawd
dacong tua kiag yawgloj tsev, March 29, 4 lub T-54 tanks tuaj txog
saum roob Phou Mok. Jerry thiab Bamboo nkawd hu B-52 tua tag ces peb
tog pib raws cov Nyablaj tawm. Thaum no VP caij davhlaus los xyuas
Looj Ceeb thiab hu rau Col. Suav Yaj hais tias Colonel Suav Yaj koj
tau Brig. General hnub no lawm. Txij hnub ntawd los peb hu Col. Suav
Yaj hu uas naiphone Suav Yaj. Col. Tub Pos los tsis txaus siab, koj
txiv Col. Neej Tswb los tsis txaus siab yuav ua. Yawgloj hais tias
Tub Pos tsis qualify vim Tub Pos yog tus SGU Chief staff xwb, koj txiv
Neej Tswb Thoj yog Xieng Khouang sub-division commander xwb, Col. Suav
Yaj yog tus Assistant Commander of Military Region 2. Thaum yawgloj
thiab niamloj lawv tuaj Amelicas teb no Summer 1972 ces yawgloj hloov
siab thiab hais tias Col. Suav Yaj tsis txawv ntawv ces tsis muab
Brig. General rau Suav Yaj.

Suav Yaj chim Suav Yaj thiaj hais tias thaj naiphone koj dag kuv, yog
koj tsis muab naiphone rau kuv kuv yuav tsum tau 40 - 45 lab nyiaj (40
- 45 million kip) coj mus yug pojniam menyuam. Yawgloj thiaj muab 45
million kip ntsaws Suav Yaj qhov ncauj, Suav Yaj thiaj mus yuav yawg
tus niam yau (Mao Thao) tim Padong.



Vajncuab

dony

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Hlob VajNcuab,

Koj yeej yog sau ntawv txaij nraug zees cia koj thiaj nco zoo npaum li
ko laiv raws kuv xav os. Koj sim piav thaum nej mus pub nplau mm rau
cov safe uas rau yaj phom es nej tus puav pheej maj maj es nplaum ho
tawg raug nej saib,,,,heheheh Dony

yi...@charter.net

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Vajncuab... koj paub npaum ko es koj puas paub txog qhov Col Cher Pao
cem Col Soua Yaj mas. Kuv xav mas Soua Yaj yeej tsis txhawj tsam
Bouam Long ho poob li os. Nws tseem xav fiv yeem kom poob rau qhov
muaj ib xyoo (1970-71?) ces Soua Yaj tsis txaus siab hais tias cas lwm
qhov es tso OD mus faib nyiaj ua cas Bouam Long ces pheej nqa pob
nyiaj mus rau Col. Cher Pao xwb es ib kong loi thab ham muaj 20 leej
xwb los hais tias muaj 100 leej. Ces VP txawm tso Soua Yaj nqa pob
nyiaj mus faib rau cov thab ham xwb no. Soua Yaj mus txog Bouam Long
ces Cher Pao txawm ua tau ib rooj mov loj loj zoo siab tos txais Shoua
Yaj. Noj mov tsau tsau tso mam mus faib nyiaj rau thab ham no. Cas
Shoua Yaj nyuam qhuav nkaus kiag diav yuav noj xwb, Cher Pao cia li
cem tawv tawv tias "tos me ntsis tso, koj nyuag Shoua Yang ko koj nyob
txog twg teb chaws poob txog ntawd, koj cia li rov qab tam sim no tsam
koj tsis tau kev khiav". Shoua Yang mov twb tsis tau noj, cia li nce
dav hlau rov qab Looj Ceeb tam sid lawm. Cher Pao hu xov tooj ceev
ceev rau VP tias " koj cia li nhriav neeg tuaj nyob Bouam Long nawb,
tag kis xwb ces kuv coj kuv cov neeg mus rau Luang Prabang tas
lawm.... The next morning xwb ces VP kom Col Tou Lu thiab Nais Koos
Nom Tsas Moua nkawv nqa ib nyuab pob hnyav ncaw mus rau Cher Pao xwb
ces hauj lwm ntsiag to. After that ces cov OD tsis muaj cub kav mus
Bouam Long ntxiv lawm....

yi...@charter.net

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Vajncuab, thiab koj puas paub txog qhov VP raug mob pem Na Khang yog
lej twg tua thiab VP mus kho mob lawm es cov Ly yuav pab tis vav mas?

idonotknow

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nej piav lomzem kawg li. yog siv tej lo lus kuv tus nyuag menyuam khuaj no tsis tau hnov dua li. lo term OD yog dabtsi na? yog tus mus faib nyiaj rau tub yuag lov? kuv saib mas nej hais lus fabkis lawm ntag. hais tob tob kuv nyeem tas zoo li tsis tau nyeem li. nyeem 10 lwm los cas zoo li qub.

--idonotknow

YawgLaus

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Mloog nej piav mas peb Hmoob siab phem ntais ntuj kawg kiag.......
Zoo tshaj plaws uas lub ntuj tseem pom thiab saib Hmoob ua neej...
Thiaj muab lub teb chaws nplog no ua kom nplog liab yeej es peb Hmoob
poob mus thoob qab ntuj... mus ciaj luag qhev..... Los yeej tsim nyog
kawg kiag......!




YawgLaus

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Thaum ntawd yog Col: Shoua Yang Lam yog "COL: SHOUA VANG" ces xam las
as poog poog twb tsis paub los yeej tau tus brig Gen lawm... Tiam sis
yog Yaj lawm es lam keb tias tsis paub tnawv... xwb.... Hmoob yeej
suck li ntawd.....

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Tsis tau los tsis ua lis cas lis nawb, nej cov Yaj nad!
Yog tseem muab General rau yawg Suav Yaj thiab mas ntshe peb yuav kiav
tsis tau ntawm Loojceeb kiag nawb.
Yawg nos mas tawv tshaj plaws nawb, lawv cov nom thab ham ua tawv2 nos
mas yog koj tsis ua lis nws hais ces kawg tuag xwb nawb!
VP yeej paub kawg, yawg thiaj tswv tsis txhob muab rau SY mas zoo dua.
Tej nos cias ua dabneeg tham rau menyuam mloog lawm xwb, tsis txhob
muab ua kev chim.
Qhov ua nej yuav ua mus ces yog Educate nej tus kheej tsam nej caum
tsis cuag luag thiab nrhiav tsis tau noj ces tseem yuav rov zoo lis
qub thiab.
Kuv twb pom nej muaj coob tus tau doctore lawm yog ev npe xeem Yaj
qhov nos twb zoo lawm, including yawg SY ib tus ntxhais
Kuv tsis tau hnov yawg SY cov lus tiam sis kuv xav mas tsim nyog s/d
yuav tostaub lawm thiab ua siab loj dua cov laug tas los.
Cov Yaj yog cov ua coob dua peb tuaj 6 USA nos, tiam sis tsis txawj ua
ces muab cais tas ces thaum kawg yus hos rov yog cov tsawg lawm.
Amen,

idonotknow

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On Friday, November 4, 2011 1:47:12 PM UTC-5, YawgLaus wrote:
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lub sij hawm ntawd tsis tas yuav paub xamlam as poog poog mam tau nom tub rog sav. leej twg kam nqa phom nkag mus nce khaib kom nyablaj saum khaib dhia zom zaws xwb ces yog xamlam as nai phas xamlas ia col. tuaj los sav.

kuv hnov ib tug txheeb ze xeem thoj tias nws yog ib tug ntawm cov uas tau tuaj mus kawm tsev kawm nai luab/eow rau thaib teb mas kuj yog sab kawg. sab zog mus tua nyab laj tom tshav rog. nws tias thaum ntawv nws tseem hlua hluas thiaj lam ntxeem ntxeem nkag dhau hoob nai leow rov mus tsev.

yog tseem yuav kom paub xamlam as poog poog thiab kom mus kawm tiav tsev kawm nai leow mam kam nai phas thiab col. ces kawg tau tseem tawm ntau tus nom los xyov tseem yuav tau tseem tas nrho. mam pib dua tsev kawm xamlam as kos kas tuaj li lauj. xamlam as mas kawm hli xyoo yuav tau. tabsis tsev kawm ai leow mas nkag tiag nawb ua zoo tsam pw ib hmo tsim los na has 99% ntawm cov nom uas mus kawm dhia rov mus tsev lawm nag hmo ib tag hmo lawm. kom nai phoo hu mus nug. teb tias... yawg loj kom kuv kawm thiab no koj mam mus zov thiab tua nyablaj pem bua loom hos kuv ces tsis yuav xab nyuag ntawd lawm. nai phoo ham tsi txawj txawj pub me ntsis $$ thiab kom tuav lub xab zoo rov mus nyob nws chaw kom zoo nai phoo mam keb rau.keb rau. keb rau. keb rau. kaum tawm zaus keb cescommanders,major,col. los keb du lug tsis tas mus tsev kawm nai leow thiab kawm xam lam as poog poog lawn.

RUAM los cas nas? yuav kom neeg kawm tsev nai leow mam muab nom rau. tseem kawm ntau xyoo leej twg yuav mus zov kev kom nyablaj tuaj txhob dhau. lub nyuag khaib tob tob pem npua loom leej twg yuav mus ntau kom nyablaj khiav los yuav cia li yeem swb nyablaj tso pab niam txiv tub sib tw dhia naj khoos seb ib tsam puas tswm thaib teb xwb mas.

yog kuv los ham tsi kam kiag xwb mas, xav tau nyiaj. kom tub txib tsaws ib hnab tsaj rau. yuav yuav xab/qibsiab. muab nws hu yawg commanda loscol. kiag kom nws txaus siab. mus npaj kom txij 7 hnub tom ntej dav hlau nqa koj koo phas mus tsaws pem ze ze khaib. caum kom nyablaj khiav kiag nawb. yog koj tua yeej hu los qhia kuv mam ntxiv ib qeb rau koj kom siab zog thiab pub ob lub nai phas ntxiv rau koj pab. ob tug neeg yuav xab koj xaiv kiag.

mus kom yeej xwb ov.

--idonotknow

Vaj Ncuab

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Dony;


Koj cav paub txog thaum Vaj Neeb Tiab lawv mus puab npaum es yawg kub
hyiab cuag dev hlawv thiab los? Qhov zoo ces lawv cov ntawd yog Paj
Mab pab txiv tub es yawgloj thiaj tseg lawv txoj sia xwb. Yog lawv
yog lwm xeem ces Neeb Tiab lawv ham tsis tag txoj yawg thaum 1972
lawm.

Vajncuab

Vaj Ncuab

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Yingb;


Qhov teebmeem Col. Suav Yaj thiab Col. Txawj Pov Muas nkawd sib ceg
ces yog tim nyiaj xwb. Khej Boum Long (LS 32) mas cov OD leej twg los
yeej ntshais mus caij nyiaj. Vim Txawj Pov yuav lav tag nrho, cov OD
uas mus rau Boum Long ces ris tej hnab nyiaj mus tabsi thaum rov los
ces los qhuav. Boum Long tsuas muaj Kongphan 221 thiab Phou Cum muaj
Kongphan 234 xwb tabsi thaum Col. Txawj Pov form GM 27 mas muaj npe
tsis muaj neeg. Col. Vang Neeb thiaj hais rau yawgloj, yawgloj thiaj
xaj kom Col. Suav Yaj mus tshuaj, Col. Suav Yaj mus tshuaj ob tug
thiaj sib ceg li koj hais. Col. Txawj Pov hais los yog yawg lus, vim
Boum Long rog hyav, tsim nyog noj thiab tsim nyog tau nqi zog.

Hais txog ntawm qhov koj nug txog yawgloj raug mob nyob Na Khang mas
kuv ntseeg hais tias yog nyablaj tua, yawgloj los ntseeg hais tias yog
Nyablaj tua. Vim thaum ntawd (February 17, 1966) 148 Regiment of the
North Vietnamese 316 Division ntau Na Khang hyav. Cov thawj tub rog
Col. Phan Siharat (BV 26), Maj. Douangta Norasing (BV 27), BR 240
thiab Kongphan 4 (Lt. Nyiaj Xub Yaj) lawv yog cov yawgloj ntseeg.
Jerry Daniels, Mike Lynch & Capt. Ramon Horinek the USAF combat
controller in Northern Laos los tseem nyob hauv yeej Na Khang.
Yawgloj caij ib lub Porter Looj Ceeb tuaj yuj thiab xaj kom lawv tiv
tiag tiag ces yawgloj mus hloov ib lub H-34 nyob Muang Hiem tuaj tsaws
kiag hauv Na Khang, thaum yawgloj tawm plaws hauv davhlaus los thiab
tig loos mus nrog tus Pilot tham ces phom nrov rhev davhlau iav tawg
dawb voj. Lt. Nyiaj Xub Yaj yog tus xaj thaj ham tiv thiab Mike Lynch
yog tus ris yawgloj khiav rau ib tog khaib thiab hu kiag ib lub
davhlau kivtshuab (H-34) thauj kiag yawgloj los Muang Hiem thiab hloov
kiag ib lub C-123 mus kho mob rau Thaibteb lawm.

Teebmeem mas yog thaum yawgloj tuaj kho mob rau Thaibteb lawm yawg
Phaya Tub Npis Lisfoom xaj kom Maj. NTsuab Vaj Lis (Kongohan 1) thiab
cov thawj tubrog Liscuab ntxeev Looj Ceeb tsis pub yawgloj rov los.
Tabsi Kongphan 1 Konghouei 1 (Capt. Ntxoov Tswv Yaj) thiab Konghouei
5 (Capt. Soob Leej Xyooj) tsis ua raws li Maj. Ntsuab Vaj khas xaj.
Capt. Ntxoov Tswv Yaj tso kiag nws tus loos Lt. Vam Xeeb Vaj coj 20
leej tub rog mus zov yawgloj tsev, dua cov ces zov kiag tshav
davhlaus. Capt. Ntxoov Tswb Yaj thiaj kom niamloj muab yawgloj tus
key tsav tsheb thauj Ntxoov Tswb thiab Vam Xeeb nkawd mus nrhiav Lt.
Lwm Vaj. Vim Lt. Lwm Vaj ris tau ib lub xov tooj hu tau Thaibteb
thiab tiv tauj tau yawgloj lawm.

Ntxoov Tswb thiab Vam Xeeb nkawd nrog yawgloj tham tag pom tias tus
yuav cheem tau Maj. Ntsuab Vaj mas yog Maj, Suav Yaj (Nai kongphan 3)
nyob Padong. Thiaj kom Capt. Tub Looj Yaj tus huam nab Air Operation
nyob Phaj 2 caij kiag ib lub davhlau kiv tshuab mus Padong. Maj. Suav
Yaj txhij kiag Kongphan 3 los ywv Kongphan 1 nyob Looj Ceeb, Maj. Suav
Yaj hais tias Nyablaj twb tua tsis tag ua cas yus tseem yuav tua yus,
yog Hmoob leej twg heev kom mus tua Nyablaj. Thaum kawg thiaj chem
tau sawvdaws, May 1966 yawgloj thiaj rov Thaibteb (Amelicasteb) los
Looj ceeb, yawgloj thiaj ua dej rau sawvdaws hau kom ib tug ncaj ncees
rau ib tug. Yawgloj mam tsa muaj Kongphan Borikan los zov yawgloj
thiab hloov cov thawj tub rog uas tsis ntseeg siab tawm.



Vajncuab

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Vajncuab,
Koj hais muaj chaw txawb chaw rau kawg lawm los mas... Txawm tsis muaj
100% los nyaj yuav muaj 75% lawm os nawb. Muaj tus nug tias OD yog
txhais li cas no? Kuv los kuj tsis paub thiab laiv. brgds. yingb

phwvnyawm

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Yawg Laus,

Koj hais yog lawm nawb: Yog Col. Suav Yaj yog hmoob Vaj,Thoj,Lis thiab
Muas ces yawg loj yeej cob xab Nai phoo tam sim rau lawm.

Yawg hlob Col. VajNcuab......aw,

Koj mas thiaj qualified ua Nai phoo lawm nawb.Koj yeej tso paus tsis
ntshai tsw luag,hais lus tsis ntshai luag hnov.Thov tsa tiv tes xoo
rau koj nawb.

Raws li koj piav ces thaum Nyab laj tua Nai phoo Vaj Pov muaj peb cov
hmoob Yaj pab yawg nej cov hmoob Vaj thiaj tsis mag cov hmoob Lis Tsuj
cuag tsuj Vaj Tub thiab Hawj Tsab nkawv laid......Yog Col. Ntxoov
Tswb Yaj thiab Col, Soob Leej nkawv npuab loo Col. Ntsuab Vaj Lis ces
nej kawg khiav tiag mas thiaj dim xwb las as.

Ntshai cov hmoob Lis twb muaj ib nplooj siab tu-u siab rau peb cov
caiv plawv lawm lauj.....rau qhov:

Col. Nyiaj Xub Yaj yog tus tua nyab laj tas zog kom Nyab laj txhob
loo tua tau yawg loj.

Col. Ntxoov Tswb Yaj yog tus xub-b paub thiaj kom niam loj muab tus
key luv tsav mus nrhiav Lwm Vaj (Lwm Vaj puas yog Nom Lwm ned) es yog
Tsav Yeej Vaj tij laug naj.

Col. Tub Looj Yaj yog tus mus tos Col. Suav Yaj nyob Padong los cheem
Ntsuab Vaj Lis lawv......koj saib maj peb cov Yaj yeej pab yawg loj
kawg siab kiag lawm laid.

Nej cov Vaj yuav tau txhob cem-m thiab tsis ntseeg peb cov Yaj lawm
nawb....ib qho 2 qho....pheev cem tias cov niag Nplog Liab rau peb cov
Yaj.

Muaj dab tsis koj yeej meem piav tuaj rau peb mloog.


Vaj Ncuab

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Yangb;


Qhov ua yawgloj raug mob nyob Na Khang mas 100% yog Nyablaj tua tsis
yog Hmoob tua. BV 26 (Lt. Col. Phan Siharat, BV 27 (Maj. Douangta
Norasing, BR 240 yog koos thav Nplog (Lao Sam Neua), BG 204 (Kongphan
4) yog Capt. Nyiaj Lwm Vaj (Nyiaj Lwm dub), tabsi thaum Nyablaj ntau
Na Khang Nyiaj Lwm tsis nyob Na Khang, tus ua nyob yog Lt. Nyiaj Xub
Yaj (Col. Nyiaj Xub). Nyablaj kaus mom dawb vog nram nras liaj, Jerry
Daniel, Mike Lynch thiab Capt. Ramon Horinek the USAF combat
controller in Northern Lao yeej hu F-4 tua kiag ntawm ntuj khaib.
Col. Nyiaj Xub yeej tsis pub yawgloj nqi, tabsi vim yawgloj siab tawv
heev thiab nws yog tus yuav tuaj xaj kom tiv vim li no thaum yawgloj
lub davhlaus H-34 tsaws kiag thiaj raug tua. Col. Nyiaj Xub 2 tug
thajham tuag kiag thaum raug yawgloj, Col. Vaj Thai (Lt. Vaj Thaiv)
yog tus pos yawgloj lub qhov mos txwv. Yuav kom paub meej thov nug
Col. Nyiaj Xub thiab Col. Vaj Thaiv thiaj meej.

Hais txog qhov yuav ntxeev nyob Looj Ceeb muab tseeb li hais. Col.
Tub Pos thiab Col. Lis Teeb (Maj. Lis Tub Pos & Capt. Lis Teeb) tsis
kam tabsi yawg Phaya hais tias Tub Pos yog ntxeev tau ces koj ua kiag
Phaum Npaus Phaj 2, Lis Teeb koj ua kiag Hua Na Senathikan Phaj 2 ces
ob yawg ok. 2 tug uas tsis kam mas yog Nai Kong Nyiaj Looj Lis Tub
Pos Txiv thiab Nai kong Lis Paj Tsab. Nai Kong Nyiaj Looj (Toj Xeem
Nyiaj Looj) hais tias tsis tsis ua li ntawd, tus no (Tub Pos) yog kuv
tus tub, tus to (Vaj Pov) yog kuv tus vauv. Nai Kong Paj Tsab los
hais Vaj Pov muaj txij ntsig rau nws los lawm, Vaj Pov los tseem rub
nws tus tub Lis Teeb (Ly Teck) los ua haujlwm rau Vaj Pov. Maj.
Ntsuab Vaj Lis xaj kom cov thaj ham Khej 2 (Ban Na) thiab Khej 2 B
(Sam Luang) tuaj pab Kongphan 1 nywv Looj Ceeb.

Txawm li ntawd los yawgloj tsis suav txim rau leej twg thiab kom ib
leeg ncaj ncees rau ib leeg thiaj kom sawvdaws haus dej, yawgloj yog
tus haus ua ntej. Tsuas yog ib yam uasyawgloj hloov yog maj mas hloov
cov thawj tub rog uas tsis ntseeg siab tawm. Hloov tus Nai Kongphan 1
thiab tshem Col. Ntsuab Vaj los hais plaub (Sam Tha Ham), xa Cap. Tooj
Tuam Yaj mus ua Nai Khej rau Ban Na (Khej 2), Cia Maj. Lis Tub Pos ua
tug Huana Senathikan Fab SGU twj ywm, cia Capt. Lis Teeb ua tus Huana
Hoobkan thiab 4 (Losgistics) twv ywm tsis hloov, lwm tug muab nom rau
tabsi tsis pub tswjfwm tub rog. Rub Maj. Suav Yaj los ua VP tus loos
thiab tso kan ntaus rog rau Suav Yaj. Rub Col. Ntxoov Tswb Yaj, Col.
Vam Xeeb Vaj, Col. Tub Looj Yaj, Col. Soob Leej Xyooj, Col. Tooj Vas
Lauj, Col. Tooj Tuam Yaj, Col. Nyiaj Xub Yaj, Col. Xaiv Ntaj Xyooj
lawv los tuav cov GMs.

Ua ntej 1966 mas yawgloj tsis ntseeg thiab tsis nyiam Col. Vam Xeeb
Vaj, vim vam xeeb ua ua Phathet Lao. Tabsi tom qab cov teebmeem Maj.
Ntsuab Vaj yuav ntxeev yawgloj no tag Vam Xeeb Vaj yog tus yawgloj
ntseeg thiab tso siab tshaj. Thaum yawgloj tag sim neej Col. Vam Xeeb
Vaj yog Cuab tsav. Yus ua ncaj rau Hmoob los seem muaj tus xav phem.
Yog li yawgloj thiaj tsa Kongphan Borikan los zov yawgloj, thiab rub
cov kwvtij Vajncuab los ua qhov ntsej qhov muag.

Yingb thiab ib tsoom phoojywg sawvdaws, txhob ntseeg kuv tag tag tabsi
thov sawvdaws nug thiab ua research rau zaj keebkwm no qhov tseeb.



Vajncuab

Vaj Ncuab

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Phwvyawm:


Peb cov Vaj tsis ceev nej cov Yaj, Col. Suav Yaj cem yawgloj ua luaj
yawgloj twb tsis teb ib los. Ua tsaug txhua yam ua nej tau txhawb
yawgloj yav tag los. Yav tom ntej los tseem yuav vam nej pab. Vaj
or Yaj, Yaj or Vaj yog tib tug, nej (Yaj) muaj ntxhais zoo kom peb tau
ua nyab, muaj tub zoo kom peb tau ua vauv. Peb (Vaj) muaj ntxhais zoo
los kom nej tau ua nyab, muaj tub zoo los kom nej tau ua vauv. Cov
laus (Gen. Vang Pao & Col. Soua Yang) lawv dhau tag lawm thov peb
sawvdaws sib hlub.


Vajncuab

phwvnyawm

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Vaj ncuab,

Koj mas hais lus raug siab kawg.......ntshai wb yuav tau mus noj fawm
ua ke tiag-g nawb.Thaum twg wb mus kuv mas hu koj tus kwv tij Dony
nrog wb mus.

YingB neb 2 qhov post tsis pom hauv no cia kuv muab rub los tso hauv
qab no kom sawv daws tau twm:

YawgLaus

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Ua li thaum lawv cov neej tsa Hmoob lis yuav ntxeev Vajpov Looj ceeb
Sooblwj Lauj yog tus coj tub rog tsis pub ntxeev puas yog??? Raws li
hnov Sooblwj coj tug rog mus tsoo txhab phom muab mos txwv thiab
phom, Tubpos lis tseem cav tsav tsheb muaj plhus ntxiag tuaj.....
Sooblwj tsuas hais rau tus pos tias..yog tubpos tsis xav muaj teeb
meem ces rov cia li lwm tsheb rov qab tsis li ces tubpos yuav pom
nplaim taws cig ntag... Tuspos txiav txiav muag thiab lem tsheb rov
qab lawm.... Thaum muab tau riam phom mos txwv txaus... Sooblwj pab
kaj tias cov neeg uas yuav ntxeev Vajpov tsis pub vajpov rov los
loojceeb kom nce mus nrog sooblwj lawv ntsuas zog... Thaum Sooblwj
lawv cov no ua tuaj ces cov neej tsa Hmoob li thiaj nyob tuag es...
Vajpov thiaj tau rov los kav looj ceeb txog ntua 1975......

Puas yog li zaj lus kuv hnov tnawd koj tus paub nas tij laug
Vajncuab???

phwvnyawm

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Yawg Laus,

Kuv mas hos hnov txawv koj cov lus hauv qab no:

>Ua li thaum lawv cov neej tsa Hmoob lis yuav ntxeev Vajpov Looj ceeb
>Sooblwj Lauj yog tus coj tub rog tsis pub ntxeev puas yog??? Raws li
>hnov Sooblwj coj tug rog mus tsoo txhab phom muab mos txwv thiab
>phom, Tubpos lis tseem cav tsav tsheb muaj plhus ntxiag tuaj.....
>Sooblwj tsuas hais rau tus pos tias..yog tubpos tsis xav muaj teeb
>meem ces rov cia li lwm tsheb rov qab tsis li ces tubpos yuav pom
>nplaim taws cig ntag... Tuspos txiav txiav muag thiab lem tsheb rov
>qab lawm.... Thaum muab tau riam phom mos txwv txaus... Sooblwj pab
>kaj tias cov neeg uas yuav ntxeev Vajpov tsis pub vajpov rov los
>loojceeb kom nce mus nrog sooblwj lawv ntsuas zog... Thaum Sooblwj
>lawv cov no ua tuaj ces cov neej tsa Hmoob li thiaj nyob tuag es...
>Vajpov thiaj tau rov los kav looj ceeb txog ntua 1975......

>Puas yog li zaj lus kuv hnov tnawd koj tus paub nas tij laug
Vajncuab???


Tus mus qhib txhab phom yog Col. Tub Pos kiag no laid. Col. Tub Pos
thauj kiag ib co phom thiab mos txwv mus rau tom yawg loj tsev ces mus
xaj kiag rau lawv tias nej zov yawg loj tsev kom zoo-oo nawb.Leej twg
tuaj ces tua kiag xwb no laid.....tus tham rau kuv yog cov hmoob
Vaj.......yog li cia rau yawg hlob Vaj Ncuab piav rau peb sia yog li
cas tiag.




Vaj Ncuab

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Yingb;

Qhov uas yawgloj raug mob nyob Na Khang mas 100% yog Nyajlaj tua tsis
yog yus tog tua. BV 26 (Lt. Col. Phan Siharat), BV 27 (Maj. Douangta
Norasing), BR 240 (Lao Sam Neua), BG 2204 (Kongphan 4) Capt. Nyiaj Lwm
Vaj (Nyiaj Lwm dub), tabsi thaum Nyablaj ntau Na Khang (February 17,
1966) Nyiaj Lwm tsis nyob Na Khang lawm, Lt. Nyiaj Xub Yaj (Col. Nyiaj
Xub Yaj) yog tus nyob. Nyablaj kaus maum dawb vog nram nras liaj.
Jerry Daniels, Mike Lynch thiab Capt Ramon Horinek the USAF air conbat
contraller in norther Laos yeej hu F-4, A-1, & T-28 tua kiag ntawm
ntuj yeej (khaib). Col. Nyiaj Xub yeej tsis pub yawgloj nqi, tabsi
vim yawglos siab tawv heev tghiab nws yog tus yuav tuaj xaj kom tiv
tsis pub thim. Nyablaaj nyob kiag ntawm ntuj khaib vim li no thaum
yawgloj lubdavhlau H-34 tsaws kiag thiaj raug tua. Col. Nyiaj Xub 2
tug thajham tuag kiag thaum zag phom uas raug yawgloj. Col. Vaj Thaiv
(Lt. Vaj Thaiv) yog tus pos yawgloj lub qhov mos txwv. Yuav kom paub
meej thov nug Col. Nyiaj Xub thiab Col. Vaj Thaiv.

Hais txog qhov yuav ntxeev nyob Looj Ceeb muab tseeb. Col. Lis Tub
Pos thiab Col. Lis Teeb (Maj. Lis Tub Pos & Capt. Lis Teeb) tsis kam,
tabsi yawg Phaya Tub Npis Lisfoom hais tias, Tub Pos yog ntxeev tau
ces koj ua kiag phaum npaus Phaj 2, Lis Teeb koj ua kiag Huana
Senathikan Phaj 2, ces ob yawg ok. 2 tug uas tsis kammas yog Naikong
Nyiaj looj Lis thiab Naikong Lis Paj Tsab. Naikong Nyiaj Looj hais
tias tus no (Lis Tub Pos) yog kuv tus tub, tus to (Vaj Pov) yog kuv
tus vauv mas tsis pub ua. Naikong Paj Tsab Lis hais tias Vaj Pov muaj
txiaj ntsig rau kuv lawm, Vaj Pov tseem rub kuv tus tub Lis Teeb (Ly
Teck) los nrog nws ua haujlwm mas tsis pom zoo. Maj. Ntsuab Vaj Lis
xaj kom cov thajham nyob Khej 2 (Ban Na) thiab Khej 2B Sam Luang tuaj
pab Kongphan 1 nywv Looj Ceeb.

Txawm li ntawd los yawgloj tsis suav txim rau leej twg thiab kom ib
leeg ncaj ncees rau ib leeg thiaj kom sawvdaws haus dej, yawgloj yog
tus haus ua ntej. Tsuas yog ib yam uas yawgloj hloov mas yog maj mam
hloov cov thawj tub rog uas tsis ntseeg siab tawm. Hloov tus Nai
Kongphan 1 thiab tshem Col. Ntsuab Vaj los nyob hauv xam hais plaub
(Sam Thaham), xa Capt. Tooj Tuam Yaj mus ua Naikhej rau Ban Na (Khej
2), cia Maj. Lis Tub Pos ua tus Huana Senathikan fab SGU twb ywm, cia
Capt. Lis Teeb ua tus Huana Hongkan thi 4 (Logistics) tsis pub hloov,
lwm tug Liscuab muab nom rau tabsi tsis pub tswjfwm tubrog. Rub Maj.
Suav Yaj los ua yawgloj tus loos thiab tso kan ntaus rog rau Suav Yaj
tuav, rub Col. Ntxoov Tswb Yaj, Col. Vam Xeeb Vaj, Col. Tub Looj Yaj,
Col. Soob leej Xyooj, Col. Tooj Vas Lauj, Col. Tooj Tuam Yaj, Col.
Nyiaj Xub Yaj, thiab Col. Xaiv Ntaj Xyooj lawv los tuav cov GMs.

Ua ntej 1966 mas yawgloj tsis ntseeg thiab tsis nyiam Col. Vam Xeeb
Vaj, vim Vam Xeeb tiv tiv tauj Pathet Lao, tabsi tom qab cov teebmeem
uas Col. Ntsuab Vaj lawv yuav ntxeev yawgloj no tag mas Col. Vam xeeb
yog tus yawgloj ntseeg thiab tso siab tshaj. Thaum yawgloj tag sim
neej Col. Vam Xeeb yog cuab tsav. Ua ncaj los tseem muaj tus Hmoob
xav txo ces yawgloj thiaj tsa kom muaj Kongphan Borikan los zov
yawgloj thiab rub cov kwvtij Vajncuab los ua qhov ntsej qhov muag.

Yingb thiab ib tsoom phoojywg, yuav kom meej thov sawvdaws nug thiab
ua research txog zaj no thiab yuav paub qhov tseeb.



Vajncuab;


PS: Phwvnyawm, tus Nyiaj Lwm Vaj kuv hais yog Lt. Col. Nyiaj Lwm dub
uas tuag rau Colorado 3 lub xyoo dhau los lawm, yog tus Col. Nyiaj Lwm
Vaj uas nrog Yaj Cib lawv ua lawv lub Lao-Hmong American Coalition.

Vaj Ncuab

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Yawglaus;


Yuav kom paub qhob tseeb thov nug Col. Vam Xeeb Vaj, Col. Soob Leej
Xyooj, Col. Tub Looj Yaj, Col. Vaj Thaiv, Col. Tub Lwj Muas thiab lwm
tug thawj coj Hmoob lawv paub zaj no zoo. Dhau ntawd mus nug Capt.
Vam Thoj Yaj (Ntxawg Yaj) Minnesota yawg yog tyus Nai Muaj hauv
Konghouei 1, uas yog Ntxoov Tswv Yaj Konghouei thiab nug Capt. Txiaj
Kuam Vaj (Txiaj Kuam Cob Fab) lawv cov no yog cov mus zov yawgloj tsev
thiab zov tsav davhlau. Kuv twb nug Col. Nyiaj Xub Yaj lawm Nyiaj Xub
hais tias yawg paub zoo thaum yawgloj raug mob nyob Na Khang tabsi
thaum Col. Ntsuab Vaj lawv yuav ntxeev Looj Ceeb mas Nyiaj Xub tsis
paub vim thaum ntawd yawg tseem coj Kongphan 4 tiv Nyablaj nyob Muang
Hiem, yawg ntsuas hnov luag hais xwb.


Vajncuab

tseemyeej

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Yawg hlob VajNcuab,

> Hais txog qhov yuav ntxeev nyob Looj Ceeb muab tseeb li hais.  Col.
> Tub Pos thiab Col. Lis Teeb (Maj. Lis Tub Pos & Capt. Lis Teeb) tsis
> kam tabsi yawg Phaya hais tias Tub Pos yog ntxeev tau ces koj ua kiag
> Phaum Npaus Phaj 2, Lis Teeb koj ua kiag Hua Na Senathikan Phaj 2 ces
> ob yawg ok.  2 tug uas tsis kam mas yog Nai Kong Nyiaj Looj Lis Tub
> Pos Txiv thiab Nai kong Lis Paj Tsab.  Nai Kong Nyiaj Looj (Toj Xeem
> Nyiaj Looj) hais tias tsis tsis ua li ntawd, tus no (Tub Pos) yog kuv
> tus tub, tus to (Vaj Pov) yog kuv tus vauv.  Nai Kong Paj Tsab los
> hais Vaj Pov muaj txij ntsig rau nws los lawm, Vaj Pov los tseem rub
> nws tus tub Lis Teeb (Ly Teck) los ua haujlwm rau Vaj Pov.  Maj.
> Ntsuab Vaj Lis xaj kom cov thaj ham Khej 2 (Ban Na) thiab Khej 2 B
> (Sam Luang) tuaj pab Kongphan 1 nywv Looj Ceeb.
Mloog koj tham-m los ntev loo law, koj tsuas tham txog tej nom Hmoob
sib txeeb xaab thiab txeeb nyiaj, lawv tej npe koj teev los ntawd,
tsis pom hais txog PajTsab pab txiv tub tau nrog nej sib txeeb li. Koj
tej lus no qhia tau tias PajTsab pab txiv tub tsis tau ua phem rau vp
thiab tsis tau nrog leej twg txeeb nom txeeb tswv thiab txeeb nyiaj li
nav.

Yog vim li cas nej khabnab VajNcuab thiaj yuav ntxub PajTsab pab txiv
tub ua luaj li maj?

Thov koj tus ua hlob pab piav mentsis, raws li muaj thiab muaj li
hais, pub peb mloog thiab seb.


Ua tsaug ntau,



Nyuag yaus TseemYeej.


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Thaum xub thawj VP yeej rub Lyteck los nyob Looj Ceeb ib nyuag ntu ces
the future Chao Kheuang XK yuav poob rau Lyteck. Tab sis Lyteck's
point of view regarding the war was different from that of VP. Lyteck
told the National Geographic's reporter that the Hmong were the ones
to die, not the Lao es kom VP txhob ua heev heev thiab--yuav tsum yoog
raws lub teb chaws cov nom tswv nplog kom Hmoob txhob tuag tuag, vim
thaum kawg yus tsis yog tus yeej lub teb chaws, yus txawm ua heev
npaum cas los kas moos swb ces yus swb xwb no ces VP thiaj tsis nyiam
Lyteck. Lyteck thiaj nyob tsis taus Looj Ceeb thiaj los pib lub zos
52 ces mus ua ib tus Director rau tom Misnistry of Interior lawm...

Vaj Ncuab

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On Nov 6, 9:57 am, tseemyeej <tseemy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Tseemyeej;


Thaum Col. Ntsuab Vaj yuav pativand nyob Looj Ceeb, koj txiv Naikong
Lis Paj Tsab yeej tsis pom zoo thiab tsis nyiam yawg Phaya lub
tswvyim. Tabsi ib lub quav tsuag puas tag ib tsus mov luag tus hlob
thiaj somsay thiab tsis ntseeg Ly Teck thiab tsevneeg Lis Paj Tsab
thiab rho Ly Teck tawm ntawm yawgloj li lwm tug Liscuab. Thaum Ly
Teck mus ua member rau Phak Peenkang (Phaya Phengphong Savanh) lawm.
Phaya Phengphong Savanh tau tsa Ly Teck los ua tus Director of
Administration at the Ministry of Interior ces yawgloj lawv xav hais
tias ntshai Ly Teck yuav muaj zog thiab yuav rub cov Hmoob tawm ntawm
yawgloj.

Hmoob pheej cem Ly Teck thiab tsevneeg Lis Paj Tsab ces yog thaum
Hmoob khiav tuaj Thaibteb es tuaj raug tua nyob Hin Heup. Hmoob ntseeg
hais tias yog Ly Teck xaj kom Pathet Lao tua. Tej no thiaj ua kom ib
cov Hmoob tsis to taub tsevneeg Lis Paj Tsab. Tsevneeg Hmoob Liscuab
los sawvdaws tais caus, luag cem ua luaj los zoo li tuag tag tsis muaj
ib tug sawv los hais hais tias Ly Teck ua zoo, Lis Paj Tsab ua zoo.
Yog Ly Teck tseem muaj txoj sia kuv ntseeg tias yawg yuav sawv los
tawm tsam hais tias yawg tsis tau xaj kom Pathet Lao tua Hmoob nyob
Hin Heup. Ua siab loj Dr. Yand Dao kiag Hmoob twb tseem tsis nyiam
thiab tseem hais tias yog Communist.

Vim muaj tsevneeg Lis Paj Tsab es thiaj muaj lub zos Hmoob Lav 52, Lav
52 yog lub zos cawm siav. Hmoob dag hais tias yuav tsiv los ua teb
rau Lav 52 tabsi khiav dhau tag rau Thaibteb lawm. Txhob tu siab txog
caij lawm tsevneeg Liscuab yuav tau sib pab, txog caij lawm Col. Lis
Tub Pos, Col. Lis Teeb yuav tau los rub tsevneeg Liscuab los nyob ua
pab koom ua pawg.

Tseemyeej, kev xaiv tsa tus President Lao Family Community of
Minnesota mas muaj kan muang ntau yam rau Tswv Pheej Lis. Tabsi tag
tsevneeg Liscuab nyob Minnesota (Hmoob Lis Hmoob dawb - Moob Lis Moob
Ntsuab, Hmoob Lis Xieng Khouang, Hmoob Lis Sam Neua, Hmoob Lis Luang
Prabang, Hmoob Lis Sayabury, Hmoob Lis Luang Nantha, thiab Hmoob Lis
Kham Keup Kham Muam tuaj ib tog koom ib lub siab vim li no Tswv Pheej
thiaj tus President LFC-Minnesota. Luag yuav saib tsevneeg Liscuab
rau saum lub sam xeeb yuav tsum yog Tsevneeg Liscuab thooj siab koom
ntsws.



Vajncuab

tseemyeej

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Yawg hlob VajNcuab,

Ua tsaug koj tej lus nyiaj lus kub. Nyeem koj cov lu tag, kuv ntseeg
tias koj tsis yog menyuam neeg li peb cov yau tom qab. Koj yeej yog ib
tug nyob ntawm luag xubntiag los lawm ntev, thiaj paub txog tej txheej
txheem no zoo npaum no. Koj tus nyob zes luag tus hlob xubntiag, thov
pab nthuav qhov tseeb pub peb tau kawm. Tsis yog yuav coj los ua plaub
ua ntug, tsuas xav kom tseeb ua tsis tau cuav thiab cuav ua tsis tau
tseeb. Meskas li, luag twb declassify luag tej secrets rau cov nyob
tom

Tham txog Hinh Heup mas, raws li kuv totaub, Lyteck thiab yawg Phanyas
nkawd tsuas mus pab cheem li qhov Humanity Gesture xwb, vim nkawd kuj
yog Hmoob thiab. Qhov tseeb tiag yog vp tuaj txog Thaibteb, nws thiab
cov thawj tubrog Nplog faij Khuam (Sab Xis) muaj lub tswv yim yuav rov
los ntxeev Vientiane. Li ntawd lawv thiaj kom vp haub cov Hmoob los
poob rau lub nroog Vt kom tag ces ThongLith thiab vp lawv mam rov los
ntxeev. Tej no, NplogLiab yeej paub tag lawm, yawg Phanyas thiaj tias
kwvtij Hmoob yuav khiav los tsis txwv tsis txiav, yij meem khiav, kev
tawm Thaibteb muaj ntau, tsuav tsis txhob mus nram VT mus xwb.

Kuv xav nug koj ib los ntxiv tias; ua cas vp thiaj lam sau ib daig
ntawv txawv-v los rau yawg Phanyas, tabsis ho coj los cev rau
cobnabthib, luag txhom tau, luag thiaj coj yawg Phanyas lawm. Thaum
lawv coj yawg Phanas lawm, cov col. Hmoob luag npuaj teg zom zaws tias
"Phawtwm ntog lawm lauj!!!" tej no puas muaj tseeb?



Ua tsaug ntau,


TseemYeej.

yi...@charter.net

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Vajncuab,
Ly Houa twb yog ib tus kwv phom nrog ncig VP (yog VP ib tus kas dawm
kaus) ua rau Ly Houa thiaj tau yuav Niam Ly Sao. Koj paub thaum kawg
puas yog VP tsis ntseeg cov Ly es thiaj muab Ly Houa nrho tawm mus
saib tshav nyob hoom nram Nas Xus lawm?

Vaj Ncuab

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Tseemyeej;


Qhov hais tias yawgloj sau ntawv rau yawg Phaya Tub Npis tabsi xa rau
Tseemfwv Nplog es luag thiaj ntes yawg Phaya tej zaum yuav tsis muaj
tseeb. Vim June 18, 1975 yawgloj twb tawm Thaibteb tuaj rau Fabkisteb
thiab tuaj rau Amelicas teb no lawm. November 26, 1975 yawg Phaya Tub
Npis Lisfoom nrog rau Khana Lathaban thiab Khana Moumtri mus sablaj
rau Viengxay thaum lawv mus txog pe ces nrov dawg hauv nkuaj (Camp Na
Kai). Tsis yog luag (Pathet Lao ntes mus kaws li lus moos cua. Hais
txog cov nomtswv Hmoob (Colonels Hmoob) npuaj teg zoo siab mas lub
caij ntawd (November 1975) Col. Tub Pos twb yog tus Huana yeej thajnam
Nam Phong yuav tsis muaj li hais tag tag. Tej zaum yuav muaj tus puav
uas tsis nyiam yawg Phaya es nyhos xwb.

Tabsi nco ntsoov lub tswvyim ua dag kom Nplog tsis tos taub yawg Phaya
mas peb khabnab kheej heev. Thaum Vwj Mais rov qab mus Nplog tiag
tiag yawg mus zoo tabsi peb khabbab pheej sau ntawv mus hais tias cov
haujlwm uas peb kom koj (Vwj Mais) ua txog twg lawm. Thaum kawg Nplog
thiaj muab Vwj Mais tu kavtheej. Yawg Npuag Txoov Lis los tib yam
Npuag Txoov tuag tib lub txias txias lis Vwj Mais.


Vajncuab

Vaj Ncuab

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Yingb;


Leej twg thiaj yuav ntseeg Ly Houa nab, tag yawgloj cov body guards
uas tsis yog cov Vaj ces tshuav Maj. Paj Xwm Yaj tib tug. Paj Xwm yog
yawgloj yawgyij yog niam Col. Lis Teeb tus tiv (Yaj Tswb) tijlaug es
yawgloj thiaj keep Pajxwm tib leeg, dhau ntawd yog cov Vaj tag nrho.
Piv xam li: Maj. Vaj Khab. Chiv thawj mas yawgloj xav tias Vaj Khab
yog Hmoob Vaj yawgloj thiaj kom Vaj Khab mus zov yawgloj. Tom qab no
mam paub tseeb hais tias Vaj Khab yog Hmoob Khab, yawgloj hais kiag
tias Vaj Khab kuv xav tias koj yog Hmoob Vaj no es Koj yog Hmoob
Khab? Tsis zoo ua li cas ces thiaj xa Vaj Khab tuaj mus kawm davhlau
lawm.


Vajncuab

tseemyeej

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On Nov 6, 9:13 am, Vaj Ncuab <vajncu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thaum Col. Ntsuab Vaj yuav pativand nyob Looj Ceeb, koj txiv Naikong
> Lis Paj Tsab yeej tsis pom zoo thiab tsis nyiam yawg Phaya lub
> tswvyim.  Tabsi ib lub quav tsuag puas tag ib tsus mov luag tus hlob
> thiaj somsay thiab tsis ntseeg Ly Teck thiab tsevneeg Lis Paj Tsab
> thiab rho Ly Teck tawm ntawm yawgloj li lwm tug Liscuab.
Nyuag yaus tsis totaub tias vim licas; raws li koj hais los saud,
tsuas muaj Naikong NyiajLooj Lis thiab Naikong PajTsab Lis thiaj tsis
pom zoo nrog cov Lis sawv pabtisvav vp xwb. Yog vp ntseeg col.TubPos
thiab Naikong NyiajLooj nkawd es ua cas thiaj ho tsis ntseeg Naikong
PajTsab pab txiv tub maj? Tsis tas li ntawd, nej cov VajNcuab twb paub
tias Phanya yog tus hauv paus pabtisvav ntag nev, ua cas, tom qab no,
ho rov rub Phanya tes dua thiab?

Hmmm...Something went wrong huh?

> Thaum Ly Teck mus ua member rau Phak Peenkang (Phaya Phengphong Savanh)
> lawm. Phaya Phengphong Savanh tau tsa Ly Teck los ua tus Director of
> Administration at the Ministry of Interior ces yawgloj lawv xav hais tias ntshai Ly Teck
> yuav muaj zog thiab yuav rub cov Hmoob tawm ntawm yawgloj.
Qhov koj hais txog Lyteck mus nrog Phaya Phengphong Savanh ua hauj lwm
mas, vim vp twb tsis yuav nws lawm ne. Qhov ntawm vp tsis pub
col.SuavYaj tau xaab naisphoo mas kuj justified thiab vim vp thiab
SuavYaj nkawd nyob koom tshav, nyob tsam lam phivphaj. Tabsis, Lyteck
mas yam li tus nyuj uas tawm tshav lawm, pheej ntshai ua tus tsi maj?

Yog thaum ub, England tsis pub Meskas muaj independence ces thaum WWII
England ham tsis ciaj Germany qhev lawm las as. Tib yam li koj hais
txog Km52 yog Hmoob chaw cawm siav es Hmoob thiaj hla dhau tuaj
Thaibteb thiab ne.

Tom ntej no, yog Hmoob tseem xav sib pab mus ntxiv mas, yuav tau muab
tej no los khoobkhuab kom meejpem tso mas mam ua hauj lwm ua ke tau
nawb.


TseemYeej.

Vaj Ncuab

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Nyob teb chaws Amelicas no kiag twb tseem tsis xav pub leej twg
tshaj. Nyob Fresno no thaum 1985 Moua Yao thiab Tou Houa Yang nkawd
tau Master Degrees Fabkis teb los peb khab nab yeej tsis lam txhawb
thiab qhuas nkawd. Dr. Serge Lee los qhia ntawv rau Fresno State peb
twb tseem hem kom nyob tsis tau yawg thiaj dhia rau pem Scramento
State lawm. Yuav ua cas yawgloj thiaj yuav tsis ntshai koj tijlaug Ly
Teck? Ly Teck yog tus Administration Director saib tag cov Chao
Khoueng nyob Nplog, Ly Teck tseem yog xang Et thiab Ly Teck lub nakthi
luaj li ib tug Naiphone. Thaum Yang Fue los ua Chao Muang mas Yang
fue yog Major, Ministry of Interior muab Xang Tho 4 rau Yang Fue.

Yog Naiphone Vaj Pov los rau hauv Lao National Government mas kawg tau
Xang Et 5. Lao National Government mas tau Bachelor tau Xang Et 2,
tau Master tau Xang Et 5, tau Doctorate tau Xang Et 7. Tsis paub tias
Ly Teck tau Xang li cas lawm thaum 1975. Tabsi thaum Vang Shur Wangyi
los txog Nplogteb Nplog muab Xang Et 2 rau Vang Shur. Ly Chao tau
Master Nplog muab Xang Et 5 rau Ly Chao. Dr. Yang Dao tau Ph.D. Yang
Dao tau Xang Et 7.

Naiphone Vaj Pov tsis tau rub yawg Phaya raws li kuv paub. For
Political reason yawgloj tshuav tuav yawg Phaya tes li ib tug nomtswv
Hmoob xwb. Dr. Yang Dao mas kuv pom hais tias nyob ze yawgloj tiag,
yawgloj muaj qab muaj tsuag, muaj sablaj sib tham yeej pom Dr. Yang
dao los koom txhua zaug.


Vajncuab

tseemyeej

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On Nov 6, 7:05 pm, Vaj Ncuab <vajncu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nyob teb chaws Amelicas no kiag twb tseem tsis xav pub leej twg
> tshaj.  Nyob Fresno no thaum 1985 Moua Yao thiab Tou Houa Yang nkawd
> tau Master Degrees Fabkis teb los peb khab nab yeej tsis lam txhawb
> thiab qhuas nkawd. Dr. Serge Lee los qhia ntawv rau Fresno State peb
> twb tseem hem kom nyob tsis tau yawg thiaj dhia rau pem Scramento
> State lawm.  Yuav ua cas yawgloj thiaj yuav tsis ntshai koj tijlaug Ly
> Teck?  Ly Teck yog tus Administration Director saib tag cov Chao
> Khoueng nyob Nplog, Ly Teck tseem yog xang Et thiab Ly Teck lub nakthi
> luaj li ib tug Naiphone.  Thaum Yang Fue los ua Chao Muang mas Yang
> fue yog Major, Ministry of Interior muab Xang Tho 4 rau Yang Fue.
> Hmoob xwb.  Dr. Yang Dao mas kuv pom hais tias nyob ze yawgloj tiag,
DYD los twb mag tib lub mob lawm thiab ne. Hais li koj hais ces tiam
no yog vp tseem muaj txoj sia nyob mas yeej tsis muaj leej twg sawv
siab tshaj vp li lawm. Sawvdaws, tsis nyiam LPDR tus nabnyubnpais,
tabsis luag tseem tso cai hloov nom hloov tswv los tuavteb tuavchaw
ntau leej ntau tus lawm. Ua cas, tau 40-50 xyoo no lawm, nej cov
Vajncuab ho tsis pub leej twg sawv siab tshaj nej li maj?

Hnov hais tias, yav ntuj qubqab, vp yog tus tua los yog tus xaaj tua
Lt.Lis Fwm thiab tua Chaomeuang TxiajXab Muas thiab no koj puab puab
txog? Tsis tas li ntawd, ua cas thiaj ho tua NomTooj pov tseg lawm
thiab?

Yog koj tus ua hlob paub txog no, ho piav pub peb mloog ntxiv thiab
seb.


Nyuag yaus TseemYeej.


dony

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Txiv Vajncuab,

Kuv mloog koj cov lus mas zoo li koj yeej hais neutral tseemtsawv. Tej
lub sij hawm koj yeej tsis pab leej twg tog tsis hais Vajncuab Liscuab
or Yajncuab etc.. Yog li kuj ua rau kuv saib koj tus ua Txiv rau qhov
tseem ceeb. Tab sis qhov kuv tsis nyiam mas yog koj cov lus hais txog
Lao Family MN zoo li koj pheej tseem support Hmoob lub xeem uas nyias
support nyias pab. Yog tseem coj li no ces lub mentality Nplog Teb
yeej tseem tsis tau pauv li. Tsis tas li ntawd koj twb tsis support
Neej Tswb tab sis koj pheej hais tias neej Tswb nej Khabnab..Yog li
kuv tus ua tub xav hais tias koj tus ua txiv tsis take qhov Neutral
Ground 100% thiab muaj lub siab dawb paug yuav los pab coj peb Hmoob
mus rau txoj kev sis haum xeeb. Yog hais tau nuhav zoo los koj tus ua
txiv maub kev zam txim nawb....Dony

yi...@charter.net

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Vajncuab,
Ua koj puas paub txog qhov hais tias tiag tiag mas Ly Beu yeej yog tus
qualified dua los ua tus Superintendent rau Kheuang XK, tab sis lawv
muab nyiaj xiab ces VP lawv cia li muab rau Moua Lia ua lawm. Ces tom
qab no Ly Beu chim chim ces khiav mus koom cov neutralists, ces thiaj
muaj tus ntiav tub sab mus tua Ly Beu thiab nws 2-3 kwv thaum ntawd
lawv kawm ntawv nyob Dong Dok tuag tas nyob pem Roob Kub Twm. Ly Beu
kawm tiav 4 xyoos nyob Dong Dok (ib yam li Moua Lia??) thiab yuav Yang
Sao Sayasith tus muam.

idonotknow

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On Monday, November 7, 2011 1:07:08 PM UTC-6, yi...@charter.net wrote:
> On Nov 7, 12:47 pm, dony
> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 9:13 am, Vaj Ncuab <vajn...@gmail.com> wrote:
muab nyiaj xiab li cas nas? lub sij hawm ntawd gvp tsis muaj chaw cia nyiaj li os nyiaj xiab tsis tau li os. yog tias nyiaj xiab no mas kuv xav yuav tsis tseeb lawm. yog yuav xiab gvp mas txhob muab nyiaj thiab hluas nkauj mos mos. mag gvp muab nej tswm kom ti ntsa kiag xwb os.

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koj kuj hais yog lawm thiab. vim kuv hnov neeg hais es paub tsis meej
thiaj li tau nug yawg hlob vajncuab tus nyob ze vp seb nws puas paub
qhov tseeb li cas. brgds. yingb

Hmong-Lao

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> muab nyiaj xiab li cas nas? lub sij hawm ntawd gvp tsis muaj chaw cia nyiaj li os nyiaj xiab tsis tau li os. yog tias nyiaj xiab no mas kuv xav yuav tsis tseeb lawm. yog yuav xiab gvp mas txhob muab nyiaj thiab hluas nkauj mos mos. mag gvp muab nej tswm kom ti ntsa kiag xwb os.

PY idonotknow,
Koj kuj hais yog lawm thiab, yuav xiab nyiaj rau GVP mas tsis work,
tabsis cov neeg play politic mas lawv paub zoo hais tias xiab leej twg
ces work. Assume hais tias GVP ntseeg ib-ob tug neeg heev, koj mus
xiab nyiaj rau tus ntawd kom nws ua txhua yam kom tau GVP ntseeghais
tias tus no zoo, tus no phem etc.... ces yeej work xwb.

Cov phoojywg,
Mloog nej tham mas peb cov coj yav ntuj qub qab yeej yog play dirty
politic ntau kawg. Zoo coj los ua ib zaj yeebyaj duab tseg cia rau tej
me tub me nyuam tau kawm kawg.

HL

Vaj Ncuab

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Yingb;


Qhov hais tias Thajkhus Muas Liab muab nyiaj xiab yawgloj es thiaj tau
tus Superintendent of Xieng Khouang Elementary School mas tsis muaj
tseeb. Yawgloj muaj nyiaj txaus lawm luag tsis ntsaws leej twg
nyiaj. Tabsi Muas Liab tau yog vim txiaj ntsig los ntawm Chao Muang
Txiaj Xab thiab tsevneeg Hmoob Muascuab. Tiag tiag ces Bouk tharasy
Douangsavanh yog tus seniority tshaj tabsi vim Xieng Khouang Hmoob
coob thiab Hmoob yog cov ua tiv thaiv lub teb lub chaws ces thiaj muab
rau Hmoob (Muas Liab) ua lawm, Bouk Tharasy Douangsavanh thiaj ua tus
loos. Thajkhus Lis Lauj tau tus Principal of Sam Thong Elementary
School twb yog vim muaj Thajkhus Muas Liab, Lauj Tswb, Kab Yeeb Yaj,
Lis Txus, Yaj Choj lawv twb tsis tau. Ntawm Ly Beu mas kuv ho tsis
paub zoo vim txij paub ces Ly Beu twb mus ua Peen Kang lawm.


Vajncuab

tseemyeej

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On Nov 7, 3:38 pm, Vaj Ncuab <vajncu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Qhov hais tias Thajkhus Muas Liab muab nyiaj xiab yawgloj es thiaj tau
> tus Superintendent of Xieng Khouang Elementary School mas tsis muaj
> tseeb.  Yawgloj muaj nyiaj txaus lawm luag tsis ntsaws leej twg
> nyiaj.  Tabsi Muas Liab tau yog vim txiaj ntsig los ntawm Chao Muang
> Txiaj Xab thiab tsevneeg Hmoob Muascuab.
Koj cov lus no hais tau dav dhau hwv lawm. Qhov tseeb tiag mas yog
TxiajXab thiab NtxoovXeeb raug tua tuag uake ib pawg lawm ces yos xav
kom plaubntug tag kawg cia MuasLiab thiab LaujTuam tau ua thajkhu xwb,
yawm phubthawj ces tuag dawb, hos NtxoovVaj ces mag phom dawb xwb ne.
This is explained by the famous quotation saying "For a few to be
immortal, many have to die".

Makes sense, huh?

Nyuag yaus TseemYeej.

Vaj Ncuab

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Thajkhus Muas Liab ua tus Superintendent of Xieng Khouang Elementary
School yog tag yawgloj, yawg Phaya, Chao Muang Tong Pao thiab cov
thawjcoj Hmoob sawv daws pom zoo tsis yog yawgloj txiav txim siab.
Thaum yuav tsa tus Chao Muang Muang Nqac yawgloj tseem nug yawg Phaya
hais tias Hmoob leej twg ua tau? Yawg Phaya hais tias Lis Xyooj yog
tus coj ncaj tshaj thaum kawg thiaj tsa Lis Xyooj ua Chao Muang Muang
Nqac. Qhov hais tias Chao Muang Txiaj Xab thiab Vam Xeeb Lauj nkawd
tuag es yog Maj. Vaj Pov tua mas tsis muaj tseeb. The TRAGIC
MOUNTAINS page 77 by Dr. Jane Hamilton Meritt sau hais tias "Some say
the communists ambushed him. Some say he was assassinated by forces
royal to Touby Lyfoung". Tus yuav paub tseeb yog Thajkhus Muas Liab
thiaj tsevneeg Hmoob Muas cuab. Yuav tau mus nug Thajkhus Muas Liab
lawv mas thiaj paub qhov tseeb.

Ntawm Lt. Lis Fwm raug tua mas coob tug yeej hais tias yog yawgloj cov
tub rog tua ntag, tabsi ho teem tsis tau txim rau yawgloj mas tsis
paub tseeb. Yuav kom paub tseeb yuav tau taug kom meej.


Vajncuab

dony

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HL'

Tsis txhob mus hais tias cov laus thaum ub ua Dirty Politic li os.
Peb cov hluam nim no koj saib yeej tsis txawv li las sav. Koj thiab
kuv tuaj hauv no xwb yeej paub hais tias peb yog leej twg cov noob
lawm. Peb sawvdaws ces yeej yog Noob Looj Ceeb Xasthoos. Peb yeej
tsis txawv kiag raws li kuv pom na. Koj sim piav saib qhov peb cov
hluas ua Clean Politics ho zoo li cas.......Dony

dony

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Beemoua Chaofa,

Kuv qhuas koj thiab ov tsam no na. Thaum ntej kuv xav hais tias koj
hais lus vwm dab ntub tasis yog koj hais kom peb sawv los ntxuav qhov
muag thiab dig quav ntsej ntag nawb...Dony

tseemyeej

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On Nov 7, 7:45 pm, Vaj Ncuab <vajncu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thajkhus Muas Liab ua tus Superintendent of Xieng Khouang Elementary
> School yog tag yawgloj, yawg Phaya, Chao Muang Tong Pao thiab cov
> thawjcoj Hmoob sawv daws pom zoo tsis yog yawgloj txiav txim siab.
Ua cas tsam no, Phanya nkawd ho muaj feem lawm thiab naj? Yog muaj li
koj hais tiag ces Phanya thiab TongPao lawv ham tsis taw tes rau LyBeu
li Yingb hais lawm las as. Tej koj hais no, ntshe yog Xajnpasnab xwb
paub yom.

> ..... Qhov hais tias Chao Muang Txiaj Xab thiab Vam Xeeb Lauj nkawd
> tuag es yog Maj. Vaj Pov tua mas tsis muaj tseeb.  The TRAGIC
> MOUNTAINS page 77 by Dr. Jane Hamilton Meritt sau hais tias "Some say
> the communists ambushed him. Some say he was assassinated by forces
> royal to Touby Lyfoung". Tus yuav paub tseeb yog Thajkhus Muas Liab
> thiaj tsevneeg Hmoob Muas cuab.  Yuav tau mus nug Thajkhus Muas Liab
> lawv mas thiaj paub qhov tseeb.
Uaib...Uaib..Uaib...Jane H. Meritt twb tsis yog Hmoob thiab tsis tau
nrog Hmoob nyob es, ua cas nws thiaj yuav paub Hmoob tej pabvav zoo
tshaj tus Hmoob maj? Koj twb paub paus ntsis npaum ko lawm, koj yeej
pom tias, cov lus nws sau ntawd xyov puas muaj truth txog 30%, tej yam
tsis muaj li hais thiab ntau yam tsis hais li muaj.

Raws li kuv mloog koj cov lus hawbkam mas, koj yeej paub ntau lawm
ntag. Yog cia koj sau Hmoob zaj keebkwm no, ntshe tseem yuav qoos xwm
tshaj Jane paub yom? Tabsis, koj yuav tau tshawbfawb yav ntuj qubqab,
uantej 60, kom ntxaws tshaj nov nawb.


Nyuag yaus TseemYeej.
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