Hmoob kev cai dab qhuas Poj Koob Yawm Ntxwv
Peter Lor
lub Poj Koob Yawm Ntxwv lub Website:
www.pojkoobyawmntxwv.org vim peb xav tau tswv yim ntawm koj los pab
peb txhim kho Hmoob txoj kev cai dab qhuas mus raws Hmoob lub neej
thaum ub. vim txoj nej hnub Hmoob ua Tshoob Kos, Pam Tuag, thiab teev
Xwm Kab yog Hmoob raug yuam coj thiab teev lawm xwb.
Peb yuav muaj ib lub Presentation nyob rau Sacramento rau lub 8/15/09
nyob rau ntawm: 3314 Luna St. thaum 11:00AM
Caw koj mus mloog thiab pab tswv yim rau peb nawj.
Peter Lor
Ya
yaweh
cwjmem
However, I am not sure this is made up or the truth to what we Hmong
believe. Sound like contradictory to what hmong popular belief and is
leaning toward CHAO FA (niam ntawv) ideology. Any way, it is good for
begining.
Peter,
Please change the test to a black texts and put a back ground color in
this web place for easy to read.
On Aug 14, 7:33 am, Peter Lor <pojkoobyawmnt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tsoom Hmoob peb Hmoob Poj Koob Yawm Ntxwv thov caw koj mus saib peb
> lub Poj Koob Yawm Ntxwv lub Website:www.pojkoobyawmntxwv.orgvim peb xav tau tswv yim ntawm koj los pab
vimhlub
Yog yuav sau txog Hmoob kablig kevcai, yuav tsum sau kom yog tiag
laiv. Kuv muab saib mas tej qhov nej sau ntawd xu deb dhau lawm...los
xyov nej piav raws li cov saub tshiab tiam no piav los yog li cas?
Hmoob hais tias muaj ntau tus txiv muam ces txhaum dab ces yog li no
ntag.
Honestly, I would take what's written at your website with a grain of
salt.
Hmong-Lao
PY Peter Lor,
Zoo siab uas tau hnov txog lub koomhaum PKYN. Yog ib qho zoo uas muaj
cov los sib cog txhim kho Hmoob kev cai dabqhuas. Kuv kuj tsis tau
muaj caij mus nyeem kom ntxaws txog tej lus nyob hauv lub website,
tabsis kuj mus saib me ntswb me ntsis lawm thiab. Tam li kuv xav xwb
mas nej yeej hais tau muaj qab muaj quag kawg lawm, tabsis kuv xav kom
nej muab povthawj tim khawv los txhawb nej cov lus es neeg thiaj li
tsis thuam tau nej. Yeej muaj tej yam uas kuv xam pom hais tias hais
tau txawv dua li yus ib txwm hnov los, tabsis txawm li ntawd los kuv
yeej zoo siab txhawb nej lub dagzog thiab ntseeg hais tias nej yuav
majmam sib cog txhimkho kom zoo ntxiv rau lawm yav tom ntej.
HL
zhen
bring your own water, ib tsam lawv ntxuav tsis tau koj lub hlwb ces
lawv muab dej los lom koj ov.. this is the beginning of a cult.
Ya
hahahaha....yogler.....cia seb nws puas muab address...cuz that
address he wrote kuv nrhiav tsi tau.
yaweh
cwjmem
culture and trdition that deviate from its traditional belief is
nothing but CULT. Nothing stated in this Website is close to what we
call "POJ UA TSEG YAWM UA CIA". They will have a hell of bad time to
sell their ideas to our hmong folks.
cwjmem
Thov sawv daws saib seb PKYN cov lus nram no puas maks sense!
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"Thiaj li yog txoj yuav los daws tau Hmoob cov Nywj vij sub, vij sw,
vij dab, vij npog, nywj tua nom, tua tswv, nywj plaub nywj ntug, nywj
cib nyeej, nywj sib rhuav, nywj tsis sib haum xeeb, nywj tais caus,
nywj rhuav haiv, nywj ntxeev siab, nywj tsiaj txhu, nywj xeeb teb
chaws, thiab txhua yam raws li no.
1. Yog txo nuj nqis ntawm kev cai dab qhuas thiab tshoob kos.
2. Yog txo sij hawm kev pam tuag thiab Tshoob Kos.
3. Yog daws Hmoob plaub ntug ntawm kev sib cib nyeej.
4. Yog daws Hmoob tus nywj vij sub, vij npog.
5. Yog daws Hmoob tus nywj tua nom, tua tswv.
6. Yog daws Hmoob cov nywj plaub ntug nrog tsiaj txhu.
7. Yog daws Hmoob cov plaub ntug nrog tej tswv luaj,tswv av, tswv
teb, tswv chawd
ntawm
8.Yog daws Hmoob cov plaub ntug nrog dab.
9. Yog daws Hmoob txoj kev teev hawm luag kab lis kev cai thiab teej
tug kom luag lwm haiv neeg zoo.
10. Yog daws Hmoob cov kev txag, kev txhaum uas Hmoob raug foom
tseg.
11. Yog hloov Hmoob tawm los mus thooj roj, koom ntsav,thooj dab,
koom
qhua.
12. Yog coj Hmoob rov mus taug Hmoob cov Poj Koob "
vimhlub
Tej koj sau ntawd mam hnyav li hnyav xwb es kuv luag tsis taus li lawm
os.
cwjmem
Cov lus no los ntawm lawv cov lus nyob rau hauv lawv lub website los.
Kuv tsuas yog muab cut & past rau sawv daws pom xwb.
kuv ntsai tsam lub Organization no ho los ntxias tau Hmoob los ntseeg,
es lawv yuav kom lawv cov ntseeg ntawm txiav "3 daim ntaub liab" los
coj ua puav pheej es thaum lawv cov ntseeg no tus VAJ los coj lawv mus
sau ntauj ceeb tseej, maub 3 daim ntaub liab no los ua puav pheej
(ticket) thiaj li yuav tau nkag mus rau lawv tus VAJ no lub mothership
xwb, he he he ...
Born2beMhong
kuv xav tias, pab no tseem yuav los tawm suab los nqua hus cov pejxeem
hmoob..es yuav los ua study thiab research tshiab tshiab kom txo peb
haivneeg tej kab li kev cai no kom mus zoo tshaj qhov qub no--raw li
txoj kev vammeej niaj hnub niam no.
ntuj aws...tsi tau nyeem kom tag lawv li visions, goals, and
dreams...ua li cas lawv twb mus teeb tau tijlaug Yob qhabnab no zoo
txaus lawm. yog li no mas, peb haivneeg hmoob no lajsiv tau haujlwm
li laud. qhov tseemceeb tshaj plawv mas, xav kom lawv txhob maj ua
tej yam li no--ua li no, yuav puas rau peb txoj kev sibntseegsiab
(trust) rau lub neej pegsuab, ua peb cov hlua no tseem yuav los
tshawbfawb xyua kom txog tej txheejtxheem no kom li rabkoob mus nyog,
txoj xov los tau nawb. yog pab tseem ua dhau plaws lawv lub homphiaj
no lawm tiag. ntshe yav tom ntej, tej hlua nqi los tswj thiab los
nrog txhimkho ntshe yuav rov ua ib tom dubmuag txog hmoob txoj kev uas
ua nplam thiab mistrust dhau los lawm thiab laud.
hmmmmm, hmmmoooob nas hmooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb...
you have the right to disagree with my opinions.
Born2beHmong
Born2beMhong
vim li cas, lub chaw kabcabsab no twb yog ib lub Holy Ghost los yog ib
chaw Teevhawm loj thiab zoo kawg kiag rau ntawm pab pawg neeg "NTXWJ"
no..vim li cas cha picture gallery tseem musj "kuv tus hlub" no rau
hauv thiab...yog nej ua dag los nej ua tiag...los yog neej tseem kawm
tau kuv cov Tijlaug XF lawm thiab.
LOLz!
Born2beHmong
Hmong-Lao
PY B2BH,
Kuv los xav tsis thoob hais tias lawv ua tiag los uasi xwb thiab no
tiag. Raws li qhov kuv xav mas ntshe lawv tseem yuav txog siav heev,
vim lawv hais lus tsis muaj pov thawj txaus thiab lawv hais li muab
Hmoob txoj kevcai dabqhuas qub uas pojkoob yawmtxwv ib txhis coj los
tsuj nthi ntawm taw es ho los coj txoj tsiab lawm xwb.
HL
cwjmem
He he he...pab neeg NTWJ no xav paub hais tias tsum sim los qhov twg
los ned. Tej zaum yuav yog cov "hmoob Ntxwj laug" nyob rau hauv
Fresno pob! Raws li paub los, Hmoob yeej tsis muaj ib lub TSEV teev
dab qhuas li nad. Poj ua cia Yawm ua tseg mas yeej yog lawv tsev neeg
twg teev lawv dab lawv qhua nyob rau hauv lawv vaj lawv tsev xwb. Cas
pab NTXWJ no ho yuav ua lawv ib lub tsev teev dab rau sawv daws....yam
li txaus ntsai heev laiv. Kuv kuj xav mus hmloog lawv piav nyob rau
Sacramento thiab tiag.
Ntsai tsam lawv ho hais tias yuav kom ib leeg twg yuav tau txiav 3
daim ntaub liab los ua puav pheej es thaum lawv lub nkauj huab nkauj
cua tuaj es lawv thiaj tau mus.
phwvnyawm
Ua cas koj thiab kuv sib ncaim tau muaj 10 xyoo lawm pob nyob ua ke
hauv zos no los twb tsis sib ntsib li thiab tiag......ua tsaug koj tau
qhia nej lub website rau hauv no.....kuv yuav maj mam twm kom tag saib
kuv puas yuav khaws tau tej yam coj mus siv.....ntxim li nej muaj tau
ntau yam hmoob txuj lawm thiab.Es koj puas khoom wb sim mus noj fawm
ua ke ib zaug saib yom?Koj puas tshuav ntxhais loj lawm nad? kuv
tshuav ib tug tub muaj 22 Xyoo xav nrhiav poj niam rau nws thaum nws
muaj 24 xyoo no nad.
vimhlub
Yog koj yuav nrog Peter lawv ua Yawm Cuas (aws...puas yog yawm cuas
nes..rau lawv nas?) ses koj yuav tsum yeem mus nrog lawv ciaj ua haiv
neeg NTXWJ nyoog laiv. Koj puas tau npaj muab haiv neeg Hmoob tso
tseg es mus ua haiv neeg NTXWJ Nyoog mas? Thaum koj tus tub yuav yawg
tus ntxhais ces nkawv yuav tau mus nrog yawg Ntxwj nyoog laus tham es
yawg Ntxwj mas li caw nej sawv daws mus nrog yawg hais tshoob no
laiv... Txaus ntshai tiag tiag ho.
phwvnyawm
Yog los mas xav nrog Peter ua yawm Cuas tiag........txhob txhawv txog
tej koj hais nad.....yus tus tub yog XF ces nws tus ntxhais yeej los
ua tus zoo niam tsev niam XF los mas.......koj puas hnov niam XF
Ntxoov Nruas niaj hnub hais lus hauv Xov TooJ Cua maj......ntawd no
kuv yog Paj Huab Lauj Muas los yog niam XF Ntxoov Nruas no
los.........peb puav leej yog hmoob nyaj yuav tsis hais nyuaj
nawb.........Phooj ywg Peter sai thaum ub yog peb cov Catholic
laid......es Born niaj hnub hu koj ua npawg no......puag yog tiag maj?
los Born lam..bla...bla....xwb maj.
vimhlub
Es yawm Peter Lauj no puas yog yawg uas nrog peb koom nyob hauv Fresno
no tiag mas? Yawg muag life insurance thiab ua lagluam qiv nyiaj nas
puas yog? Kuv twb ntsib yawg 2-3 zaug lawm. Kuv xav tias yawg yog
cov uas mus tsa chij tim Hmoob tebchaws no. Es yawg tso Catholic tseg
es mus coj kevcai Ntxwj lawm thiab los?
Raws li kevcai Catholic, XF yuav puas tau pojniam nes? O yog tiag.
Txiv Plig thiaj li yuav tsis tau pojniam xwb yom?
Hais txog Born wb ces yog muab tshawb los yeej muaj ib qho txheeb
xwb. Yawg hais tias yawg yog Lauj Kiab Tom lawv tsev no puas yog nes?
Mouatony
tebchaw vaammeej kawg tabsi peb tseem naj nub xaav kev vwm hab ne. Peb
yuav nhrav txuj kev ntseeg mas yuav tau nrhav tag tag es tsi xob muab
nyuj quav xyaw neeg zig le nuav mas kwv tij Moob.Mej Moob Ntxwj zaaj
kev cai ntseeg kev cai dlaab qhuas nuav yog politic xwb. Nyav pib
nrhav kev ntseeg xwb tub has lug politic lawm xwb yuav ua caag moog
ntsib Moob Ntxwj 5 tug Vaaj mas peb ib tsoom Moob aw. Thanks,MT
zoovnujtxeeg
> peb txhim kho Hmoob txoj kev cai dab qhuas mus raws Hmoob lub neej
> thaum ub. vim txoj nej hnub Hmoob ua Tshoob Kos, Pam Tuag, thiab teev
> Xwm Kab yog Hmoob raug yuam coj thiab teev lawm xwb.
>
> Peb yuav muaj ib lub Presentation nyob rau Sacramento rau lub 8/15/09
> nyob rau ntawm: 3314 Luna St. thaum 11:00AM
> Caw koj mus mloog thiab pab tswv yim rau peb nawj.
>
> Peter Lor
Dablaug Peter,
Txhob thwm xas cov niag lus lawv insult thiab hais lus thuam nej lub
koomhaum. Kawg yawg Phab phut Thaj caub thiab Vaj Yexus kiag twb tseem
raug neeg thuam thiab tua pov tseg. Yam yus ntseeg tias zoo lawm, kav
tsij ua tus qauv zoo rau suavdaws xyaum mus.
Lawv cov ntseeg kev cai tshiab los yeej tsi zoo tas 100%. Hmoob
kablig kevcai yam tsi zoo siv tsi nyog, los yeej raug muab txo tawm
tib yam.
Muaj qee yam ua nej yuav tau kho xws li:
1. Nej lub Vas/website. Muab kho kom yog professional. Tso cov
contents tseem ceeb ua cov hauv paus lus. Mam tso cov sub-title lawv
qab.
2. Re-design cov logos thiab cov fonts/colors kom nyob rau
professional standard.
3. Cov ntawv Hmoob, yuav tsum muab kho thiab sau kom raug.
4. Cov ntsiab lus txheej txheem yuav tau muab edit kom meej ua ntej
yuav tso tawm.
Yog tsi deb siab, kuv muaj cov neeg paub txog phab web-design. Kuv mam
thov lawv pab nej los tau.
zoovnujtxeeg
Phwvnyawm aw,
Twb tsi tau mus noj fawm cas txawm siv tham txog luag tej ntxhais
ntshe tsam luag yuav teb koj tiag. Koj muab insult yawg dhau hwv lawm
nawb. Kuv yog yawg mas koj yuav tsum mag tsa loo 2 poom beer tag mam
tham xwb ov. ha ha ha
Peter Lor
> On Aug 14, 10:43 am, vimhlub <vimh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Peter,
>
> > Yog yuav sau txog Hmoob kablig kevcai, yuav tsum sau kom yog tiag
> > laiv. Kuv muab saib mas tej qhov nej sau ntawd xu deb dhau lawm...los
> > xyov nej piav raws li cov saub tshiab tiam no piav los yog li cas?
>
> > Hmoob hais tias muaj ntau tus txiv muam ces txhaum dab ces yog li no
> > ntag.
>
> > Honestly, I would take what's written at your website with a grain of
> > salt.
>
> PY Peter Lor,
> cov los sib cog txhim kho Hmoob kev cai dabqhuas. Kuv kuj tsis tau
> muaj caij mus nyeem kom ntxaws txog tej lus nyob hauv lub website,
> tabsis kuj mus saib me ntswb me ntsis lawm thiab. Tam li kuv xav xwb
> mas nej yeej hais tau muaj qab muaj quag kawg lawm, tabsis kuv xav kom
> nej muab povthawj tim khawv los txhawb nej cov lus es neeg thiaj li
> tsis thuam tau nej. Yeej muaj tej yam uas kuv xam pom hais tias hais
> tau txawv dua li yus ib txwm hnov los, tabsis txawm li ntawd los kuv
> yeej zoo siab txhawb nej lub dagzog thiab ntseeg hais tias nej yuav
> majmam sib cog txhimkho kom zoo ntxiv rau lawm yav tom ntej.
>
> HL
Nyob zoo HL
Ua tsaug rau koj txoj kev txhawb. PKYN yog Hmoob sawv daws li txoj
kev cai dab qhuas uas yog txhua tus Hmoob li tswv cuab hos ntawm peb
cov los pib yog los pib txoj hau kev xwb. Txhua tus Hmoob muaj feem
xyuam los txhim kho kom loj hlob mus rau Hmoob coj thiab teev. Peb
yog ib haiv neeg lawm tiag cas peb thiaj tsis rov los tshawb thiab
taug saib Hmoob puas muaj kev cai dab qhuas ? Vim li cas Hmoob thiaj
yeem mus ua txoj luag yuam thiab ntxias Hmoob coj thiab teev yog ua
koj Hmoob PUAS TSUAJ THIAB SIB TAWG XWB. VIM NTIAJ TEB LUAG KAWM
THIAB PAUB MEEJ MEEJ TIAS HMOOB YOG IB HAIV NEEG TAU TXAIS LUB NEEJ
NTUJ LUAG NTIAJ TEB THIAJ SIV IB PUAS TSAV YAM TUAJ RHUAV HMOOB KOM
HMOOB TAWG MUS UA PAB UA PAWG KOM TSIS MUAJ KEV ROV LOS SIB KOOM TES
TAU.
HMOOB MUAJ PEB HOM DAB QHUAS COJ THIAB NTSEEG:
1. UA NTEJ NTAWM 1950 RAU HAUV MAS HMOOB TSEEM COJ TIJ TXOJ UAS RAUG
YUAM PEM TUAM TSHOJ LOS YOG TXOJ YUAM UA KOJ HMOOB PUAS TSUAJ LOS
NTAWM: KEV CAIS XEEM, TEEV XWM KAB, UA TSHOOB KOS, THIAB PAM TUAG.
2. HMOOB TXIA DAB QHUAS YOG: NYUJ DAB, NPUA DAB ROOG, NPUA TAI, QAIB
HAUV NCOO, THIAB NPUA TSA NEES KOM HMOOB DIM NTAWM TXOJ KEV TUAG.
3. HMOOB RAUG NTXIAS COV THIAB TEEV LWM HAIV NEEG LI DAB QHUAS: YOG
UA KOM HMOOB TAWG XWS LI TOM QAB NTAWM 1950 - 1975 UA RAU HMOOB TAWG
UA 3 PAB TXAWM YOG OB NIAM TXIV LOS IB TUG TSIS NTSIA IB TUG, KWV TIJ
LOS TAWG LAWM. TAM SIM NO HMOOB AMERICAN XWB TAWG MUS ZE 20 PAB LAWM.
VIM PEB HMOOB RAUG YUAM THIAB NTXIAS MUS COJ THIAB TEEV LUAG LWM HAIV
NEEG KEV CAI DAB QHUAS ROV LOS SIB TOB THUAM HMOOB HAIV NEEG TIAM SIS
HMOOB HO TSIS KAM ROV LOS TSHAWB HMOOB TUS KOM YOG HMOOB LI TEEJ TUG.
PETER LOR
Hmong-Lao
Nyob zoo phoojywg Peter,
Yeej yog li koj hais, nws yog ib qho tu siab uas yus haiv neeg tso yus
txoj kev cai dab qhuas tseg es ho mus teev luag li kev cai dab qhuas,
tseem tig rov los tuam thiab cem yus tej kev cai dabqhuas uas yus tej
pooj koob yawm txwv ib txhis coj los ib txheej dhau ib txheej ib tiam
dhau ib tiam. Tabsis txawm li ntawd los peb yuav tau ua tib zoo sib
yoog, tus txawm yuav coj txoj kevcai dabqhuas twg los peb yeej tseem
yog tib haiv neeg xws li yog "Hmoob". Yog peb txhua tus ua taus lub
siab loj thiab dav li no ces txawm ib leeg mus ntseeg ib txoj kev cai
dabqhuas los peb yeej tsis sib tawg.
Raws li kuv soj ntsuam txhua txoj kev ntseeg uas Hmoob mus teevhawm,
txoj uas peb Hmoob feem coob niaj hnub coj no mas thiaj li haum yus
siab tshaj plaws xwb. Tos kuv hais li no mas, peb txoj kev cai
dabqhuas no peb yeej tsis ciav tsis cais leej twg lossis txoj kev cai
dabqhuas twg hlo li. Txawm koj tsev ua nyuj dab npua tai los kuv tsev
yeej tuaj koom tau yam tsis txhaum. Txawm kuv yuav mus nkag lub church
twg, lub tsev haujsam twg lossis mus teevhawm tus tus Vajtswv twb, tus
Mloom twg los yeej tsis txhaum kuv li dabqhuas hlo li.
Yeej muaj qee qhov uas kuv tsis tshua nyiam xws li kuv tuag/yug tsis
tau koj tsev yog hais tias wb dabqhuas sibtxawv. Tabsis tej no los
yeej yog nyob ntawm yus lub qhov ncauj xwb, yog yus hais tias tau no
ces tau xwb. Tsuas yog tus neeg nkhaus mas thiaj li muab luag nplua
los kho yus dab qhuas xwb. Tabsis peb txheej niam no, feem ntau yeej
yog mus tuag/yug tom tsev khomob lawm xwb, yog li ntawd, tej no tsis
yog ib qho concern lawm, dhau li ntawd, peb txheej tshiab no hloov tag
lawm, yog lam muaj tej tug neeg uas tsis yog yus dab yus qhua tuaj
tuag/yug hauv yus tsev los yus yeej cia li lees kiag hais tias yog yus
neeg no xwb ces tag plaub.
HL
pao.ya...@gmail.com
> ua tshaug tau tau
Pao YANG
Hmla...@hotmail.com
Cas yam li tsis muaj neeg teb koj li. Cia kuv lam teb koj ob peb los seb yuam. Tos peb tsis muaj neeg teb koj los ntshe peb tsis muaj phau ntawv kev cai dab qhuas Hmoob thiab.
Ib qho ntxiv, qhov kev cai dabqhuas Poj Koob Yawm Ntxwv no tsis yog qho kev cai dab qhuas uas koj niam koj txiv koj pog koj yawg ib txhis coj los nawb. Nws yog ib qhov kev cai dab qhuas tshiab lawm.
Ntshe nyob nej tebchaws ho rub tsis tau los saib xwb, hos nyob peb teb chaws USA no ces yog yus xav paub txog dabtsi ces mus tshawb hauv internet xwb. Nim no yeej muaj cov tub txawg muab Hmoob tej txuj ci tso rau hauv internet ntau heev. Koj ho sim mus tshawb nriav seb puas pom nawb.
HL