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The new Laos is going fast .There is NO return..(.June 2012.)
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DownUnder
Jun 20, 2012, 2:44:51 PM6/20/12
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After having review what is happening in Laos over the past years,
there has been some major shift in the future direction of Laos, as a
result of the coming ASEM meeting in Laos in Novemver this year.
The old TalatSao that we used to know has disapeared... GONE for
good... replaced by the ugly looking Talat Sao Mall... i JUST
WONDER ... THE TALAT SAO MALL IS TARGET who??? iF i GO TO Laoss, i
WOULD not GO TO THAT MALL... FOR what??? AS WE HAVE SHOPPING MALL ALL
OVER THE wEST AND tHAILAND... SO... WHO would visited that talatsao
mall???
The two major players to change Laos are the Chinese and the
Vietnamese who have taken the task to "help" Laos to prepare for the
ASEM meeting. THe Thai seems to be fairly quiet... only interest in
the Sayabouru Dam and the high speeb train track.. and the new bridge
south of Paksane to cross to Vietnam -being the shortest route.
The first major problem is the upgrade of the Wattay Airport that
needs to be expended to park up to 30 Jumbo jets - a major task as it
is now can only have room for 3 jumbo jets. China & Vietnam are the
two principal donor countries to upgrade the airpoer that is reported
as 80% completed but from those photo that I have seen last
weeks...there are not much progress.
The second problem is to accommodate the 40+ delegates that each would
have to have its own quarter - not to share with others. It would be
odd if two PM or Presidents would have to share onwe hotel. So.. to
solve this problem, China have offered to build 30+ 5 stars hluse/
accommodations, specifically to accommodate the delegates. Then after
the ASEM Summit, those accommodations would be offered to the public -
starting from $1 million+/ house!!! So, if any one is interested and
wanting to have a 5-6+ house in Vientiane, the bidding is soon to be
open to all but you need to be quick.
Thirdly, there is NO suitable for the summit... so China come to the
rescue by offering to build the International Convention Center, next
to the kaysone Museum... to be used as the meeting plave for the sumit
with top state of the art of everything. That would be the most
sophisticated convention in Lao history.
In return for the Chinese and Vietnamese assistance, Laos have signed
some "economic" agreement with Vietnam and China. Last week, Laos &
China had signed 10 agreements... but the contents is not released...
but I heard from a Tuktuk driver that Laos has given much of the Laos
and many concessuional projects to Vietnam in return.
The change in the south of Laos is much SUBTLE... but changing fast as
well.
For China, TWO major projects that will CHANGE Laos for ever is the
Hak Donechanh project (well advertised all around Laos) and the NEW
CHina Town project (behind Thatluang... near where the Railaway line
terminated - NOT YET to be released to the public but already
FINALISED by the WHO KNOW ... I just heard from a Tuktuk
guy..OK>>>)... these two multi-billions projects will turn Laos into a
high-rise cities as oneTuktuk guy (who is visiting Oz) had show me
some pictures of the two Chinese projects...and the road construction
is already starting with widening of the road with electrical poles
already planted... some poles even gone into half of some of the house
along that old road... this means that some many people have no choice
but to be moved out or loose their house from 1/2 to 1/3 or more of
their original!!! As the Chinese-Lao agreements have been signed
(last week in VT), the tuktuk guy said that the WHO KNOW already
moving in to buy the lands in that areas in cheap price from the
peasants (as the peasants do not know YET that their land will become
gold - PREMIUM price- shortly when the PLAN gone public. Very soon,
the lands in that new China Town will gone sky-rocket in price...out
of reach of the ordinary of Lao people as those in the KNOW have
already got most of the good land...so..they wiull make even more $$
$... but it is still not too late for any one who have some $$ lying
around... if you can get one piece of land in that area... you can
sell later and make triple or even up to x4-5 times soon.
so, the face of then old Laos is ready change for ever... so if any
one wanting to see the old Mouang lao, this year is a good year to
visit... before those great changes starting... soon, you will find
that you have landed in a differentn place - not Mouang Lao any more..
Bangkok ??instead of Vientiane!!! and you may not be able to find your
old vientiane any more..
du
there has been some major shift in the future direction of Laos, as a
result of the coming ASEM meeting in Laos in Novemver this year.
The old TalatSao that we used to know has disapeared... GONE for
good... replaced by the ugly looking Talat Sao Mall... i JUST
WONDER ... THE TALAT SAO MALL IS TARGET who??? iF i GO TO Laoss, i
WOULD not GO TO THAT MALL... FOR what??? AS WE HAVE SHOPPING MALL ALL
OVER THE wEST AND tHAILAND... SO... WHO would visited that talatsao
mall???
The two major players to change Laos are the Chinese and the
Vietnamese who have taken the task to "help" Laos to prepare for the
ASEM meeting. THe Thai seems to be fairly quiet... only interest in
the Sayabouru Dam and the high speeb train track.. and the new bridge
south of Paksane to cross to Vietnam -being the shortest route.
The first major problem is the upgrade of the Wattay Airport that
needs to be expended to park up to 30 Jumbo jets - a major task as it
is now can only have room for 3 jumbo jets. China & Vietnam are the
two principal donor countries to upgrade the airpoer that is reported
as 80% completed but from those photo that I have seen last
weeks...there are not much progress.
The second problem is to accommodate the 40+ delegates that each would
have to have its own quarter - not to share with others. It would be
odd if two PM or Presidents would have to share onwe hotel. So.. to
solve this problem, China have offered to build 30+ 5 stars hluse/
accommodations, specifically to accommodate the delegates. Then after
the ASEM Summit, those accommodations would be offered to the public -
starting from $1 million+/ house!!! So, if any one is interested and
wanting to have a 5-6+ house in Vientiane, the bidding is soon to be
open to all but you need to be quick.
Thirdly, there is NO suitable for the summit... so China come to the
rescue by offering to build the International Convention Center, next
to the kaysone Museum... to be used as the meeting plave for the sumit
with top state of the art of everything. That would be the most
sophisticated convention in Lao history.
In return for the Chinese and Vietnamese assistance, Laos have signed
some "economic" agreement with Vietnam and China. Last week, Laos &
China had signed 10 agreements... but the contents is not released...
but I heard from a Tuktuk driver that Laos has given much of the Laos
and many concessuional projects to Vietnam in return.
The change in the south of Laos is much SUBTLE... but changing fast as
well.
For China, TWO major projects that will CHANGE Laos for ever is the
Hak Donechanh project (well advertised all around Laos) and the NEW
CHina Town project (behind Thatluang... near where the Railaway line
terminated - NOT YET to be released to the public but already
FINALISED by the WHO KNOW ... I just heard from a Tuktuk
guy..OK>>>)... these two multi-billions projects will turn Laos into a
high-rise cities as oneTuktuk guy (who is visiting Oz) had show me
some pictures of the two Chinese projects...and the road construction
is already starting with widening of the road with electrical poles
already planted... some poles even gone into half of some of the house
along that old road... this means that some many people have no choice
but to be moved out or loose their house from 1/2 to 1/3 or more of
their original!!! As the Chinese-Lao agreements have been signed
(last week in VT), the tuktuk guy said that the WHO KNOW already
moving in to buy the lands in that areas in cheap price from the
peasants (as the peasants do not know YET that their land will become
gold - PREMIUM price- shortly when the PLAN gone public. Very soon,
the lands in that new China Town will gone sky-rocket in price...out
of reach of the ordinary of Lao people as those in the KNOW have
already got most of the good land...so..they wiull make even more $$
$... but it is still not too late for any one who have some $$ lying
around... if you can get one piece of land in that area... you can
sell later and make triple or even up to x4-5 times soon.
so, the face of then old Laos is ready change for ever... so if any
one wanting to see the old Mouang lao, this year is a good year to
visit... before those great changes starting... soon, you will find
that you have landed in a differentn place - not Mouang Lao any more..
Bangkok ??instead of Vientiane!!! and you may not be able to find your
old vientiane any more..
du
idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo and เอาหัวชนฝาเพื่อเจาะรู ¨
Jun 20, 2012, 8:20:22 PM6/20/12
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toulia vang
Jun 20, 2012, 8:29:08 PM6/20/12
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On Jun 20, 7:20 pm, idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo and เอาหัวชนฝาเพื่อเจาะรู ¨
> lpdr killed chased and kicked us lao nork out of the country. we are now no longer part of that country so let lpdr do anything they desired to that little land. In a few months/years we will kick them out and any contract lpdr is making now with foreign countries would be nullify at that time. anyone smart enough would know it is not the right time to invest their hard earn $ for the thugs/killers lpdr.- Hide quoted text -
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Focus more on our progress in the west and put a closure to Laos; hold
their revolutionary leaders accountable. The bottom line is that at
the end of the day, who do better? Hmong in the west or Hmong in Laos?
A friendly warning and caution to Hmong in the west is that do not be
arrogant and take advantage of the poor Hmong in Laos, i.e. no more
cheating and human trafficking to poor Hmong in Laos. Live with your
preaching, would you?!
T.L.
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Focus more on our progress in the west and put a closure to Laos; hold
their revolutionary leaders accountable. The bottom line is that at
the end of the day, who do better? Hmong in the west or Hmong in Laos?
A friendly warning and caution to Hmong in the west is that do not be
arrogant and take advantage of the poor Hmong in Laos, i.e. no more
cheating and human trafficking to poor Hmong in Laos. Live with your
preaching, would you?!
T.L.
Thorn...@yahoo.com
Jun 20, 2012, 9:43:28 PM6/20/12
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dr pov awd,
Le ko tes txhaj le yog lpd xuas tau txuj xub ke yog lawm los moj koj xij nyuab sab dlaab tsi naj. Yug tub yog ib tug doctor dlag es pum kev vaam meej xwb tseem has tas tsis zoo hab nua es koj xaav kuas lpd stay poor for generation to generation lov? lpd is a female and it needs a male in order for it to produce good things out of its' own country. Vietiane will never equip to be near other country's capitol for any time soon but at least the buds of the flower start to bloom.
On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:44:51 PM UTC-5, DownUnder wrote:
Le ko tes txhaj le yog lpd xuas tau txuj xub ke yog lawm los moj koj xij nyuab sab dlaab tsi naj. Yug tub yog ib tug doctor dlag es pum kev vaam meej xwb tseem has tas tsis zoo hab nua es koj xaav kuas lpd stay poor for generation to generation lov? lpd is a female and it needs a male in order for it to produce good things out of its' own country. Vietiane will never equip to be near other country's capitol for any time soon but at least the buds of the flower start to bloom.
On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:44:51 PM UTC-5, DownUnder wrote:
yoo...@msn.com
Jun 21, 2012, 1:16:34 AM6/21/12
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These days in age no country is giving and expecting nothing in return. Barren land, or sand to be exact, in Hak Donchanh has been there ever since the birth of Laos and nothing is grown there for the good of the people. If China comes in and build large, modern hotels and other business there, the people of Laos has much to gain. Chinese people are all over the globe, doing business and help build the country they currently call it their residency. One can't sit back and wait for a miracle to happen in Laos. Nom tswv Plog yuav tsis ruam ua luaj twg. Yog lawv ruam npaum peb xav, lawv tsis lam yuav yeej tsovrog tebchaws Plog.
Thatluang development is the same. For centuries, there is dirt and dust around Thatluang vicinity. You want a foreign country to give you billions of dollars for free to develop this area for nothing in return? You are not ignorant, are you? One can't sit and wait for Buddha to decent from Heaven and magically build palaces.
What the citizens of Laos need to do is preparing themselves in education so they can be hired as skilled-workers for these new employers.
yim
Thatluang development is the same. For centuries, there is dirt and dust around Thatluang vicinity. You want a foreign country to give you billions of dollars for free to develop this area for nothing in return? You are not ignorant, are you? One can't sit and wait for Buddha to decent from Heaven and magically build palaces.
What the citizens of Laos need to do is preparing themselves in education so they can be hired as skilled-workers for these new employers.
yim
DownUnder
Jun 21, 2012, 5:45:40 AM6/21/12
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From what is floating around, most of the workers are to be brought in
from China to build these two major projects.
The local people are quite concern that their country is being taken
over by China and Vietnam but they are just "concern"... they cannot
do anything. The train is in motion and it ain't stopping now.
What is interesting is that with all the development going and that
Laos is growing so fast...and if you tour around those new shopping
mall or shopping centers in Vientiane and in the Provinces, it looks
that business is booming everywhere... esp the Gold Shops (vow...they
fill one floor and more ) - but the gold are all imported from the
West... No Lao gold to be found!!! Very interesting.
When you talk and look at the Lao peasants, they are complaining
that life is harder for them.. it is harder to make a living.. price
has continue to climb... My tuktuk friend used to have two tuktuk last
year but now he can only afford to have one and he is struggle- just
make ends meets..... and interestingly... there are more beggars
around.
On the other side of the coin, there are over night millionaires
popping up every where. The high-so society has gone so high and so
fast that even us (the Laonork) would not be able to catch up with
them...
The poor & the rich gap is widening so fast. YOU (as a Laonork) have
to be SOMEBODY (or with a TITLE) while in Laos to be able to mix with
the Lao high-so group!!!
As for the new development in Laos is concern, it is as the saying
goes,..."there ain't no such thing as free lunch"... and this is just
that. There is no stopping now.
du
from China to build these two major projects.
The local people are quite concern that their country is being taken
over by China and Vietnam but they are just "concern"... they cannot
do anything. The train is in motion and it ain't stopping now.
What is interesting is that with all the development going and that
Laos is growing so fast...and if you tour around those new shopping
mall or shopping centers in Vientiane and in the Provinces, it looks
that business is booming everywhere... esp the Gold Shops (vow...they
fill one floor and more ) - but the gold are all imported from the
West... No Lao gold to be found!!! Very interesting.
When you talk and look at the Lao peasants, they are complaining
that life is harder for them.. it is harder to make a living.. price
has continue to climb... My tuktuk friend used to have two tuktuk last
year but now he can only afford to have one and he is struggle- just
make ends meets..... and interestingly... there are more beggars
around.
On the other side of the coin, there are over night millionaires
popping up every where. The high-so society has gone so high and so
fast that even us (the Laonork) would not be able to catch up with
them...
The poor & the rich gap is widening so fast. YOU (as a Laonork) have
to be SOMEBODY (or with a TITLE) while in Laos to be able to mix with
the Lao high-so group!!!
As for the new development in Laos is concern, it is as the saying
goes,..."there ain't no such thing as free lunch"... and this is just
that. There is no stopping now.
du
cwj...@hotmail.com
Jun 21, 2012, 8:48:56 PM6/21/12
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Laos needs another "Aung San Suu Kyi" in Laos to take its own lands back to its own citizens.
Lao people are getting squeezed out of their good futile lands and are poorer than any time in their own history, more prostitution, drugs runners, thieves, beggars now than years ago...
Sulilec
Jun 21, 2012, 11:18:12 PM6/21/12
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Thank you for sharing your finding Dr. Down Under. Am I understand
your writing right that Laos will look like the next Bangkok city?
And why would Laos want to copy cat Bangkok if she got a chance to be
unique?
your writing right that Laos will look like the next Bangkok city?
And why would Laos want to copy cat Bangkok if she got a chance to be
unique?
tzex...@msn.com
Jun 22, 2012, 12:51:29 AM6/22/12
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idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo and เอาหัวชนฝาเพื่อเจาะรู ¨
Jun 22, 2012, 7:38:32 AM6/22/12
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On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:44:51 PM UTC-5, DownUnder wrote:
Another result is to drive the poor/normal native citizens away from the land. before those construction the normal citizens could survive at the land by farming and gardening. at the start of the construction the land is bought out for cheap. after the construction the land will be 10 times or more it´s original value out of range the normal citizens can buy and live as normally do.
Lastly another fact is Chinese population is in billion. those hundred of thousands construction workers end up staying in lpdr to create China-town lpdr and Viet's think they have the grip and the control but just allow hundred thousand more Chinese workers into lpdr and the Viet´s effort and soldiers´ lives will go UN-noticeable. lpdr think they are smarter to play this gifting game but china is the grand master. the chances of lpdr winning at the end is minimum at a flat zero.
how about just take a look at the few sites up northern part of lpdr. looking like a China town and nothing like a Lao town anymore. if anyone need hooker go up there. if you need a Chinese restaurant or casino, there are plentiful to satisfy your needs. if you want to get a little piece of land for your farm FORGET it.
All4One
Jun 22, 2012, 11:32:02 AM6/22/12
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Given the current human resources Laos inadequately lacking is a major economic lose lose situation for Laos. Unless mr. yong and his THUG bosses already had millions of educated Laotians in standby, ready to take on the hard tasks after the chinese finished constructions?
Apparently and sadly, the REALITY is that when the chinese finished their projects, many of those chinese engineers and workers will remain in Laos and work as employees. I mean, who else will be better service and maintain what have been built? Everything is in chinese!
So this beg the question, Does Laotian people get a small piece of the "CAKE" when it's baked and ready to sever? My guess is that some laotians will get some crumbs (small jobs like janitorial, printing papers, laborers, water carrier, in other words, BLUE COLLAR positions are best fitted for Laotians)...but the chinese will get to eat the rest of the cake ( WHITE COLLAR positions). Do you see the BIG picture now?
Jim
Apparently and sadly, the REALITY is that when the chinese finished their projects, many of those chinese engineers and workers will remain in Laos and work as employees. I mean, who else will be better service and maintain what have been built? Everything is in chinese!
So this beg the question, Does Laotian people get a small piece of the "CAKE" when it's baked and ready to sever? My guess is that some laotians will get some crumbs (small jobs like janitorial, printing papers, laborers, water carrier, in other words, BLUE COLLAR positions are best fitted for Laotians)...but the chinese will get to eat the rest of the cake ( WHITE COLLAR positions). Do you see the BIG picture now?
Jim
chuesa...@gmail.com
Jun 22, 2012, 5:12:45 PM6/22/12
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I like your answer and analysis. That is the area of concern, but should exiled Hmong concern? Forget it...now that GVP is gone. Hmong are fighting among each other for power throughout the cities in the US. Soon they will get tired to be Hmong and disappeared anyway.
CSY
idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo and เอาหัวชนฝาเพื่อเจาะรู ¨
Jun 22, 2012, 6:25:28 PM6/22/12
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DownUnder
Jun 24, 2012, 3:01:40 AM6/24/12
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Kuv yeej xav pom kev vam meej heej kawg mad.... tabsis yog yus yuav ua
ib lub tsev, yus yuav tsum pib kom nws muaj foundation ruaj-ruaj thiab
ua tau lub tsev kom ruaj, kom phim yus nyob, zoo nyon thiab kav tau
ntev... kom yus muaj peevxwm maintain tau...Tej tsev tshiab thiab loj
nyob hauv nroog VT yeej yog neeg lwm tebchaws ua pub rau neeg Los
Tsuas xwb... ib ob xyoo ces twb pib puas zujzus lawm... For example,
txoj kev Sea Game tom Done Noun... ib xyoo tom qab xwb twb tos kho tas
- vim licas???. Txoj kev 450 xyoo qhib siv txijNov 2010 los xwb, niaj
hnub no, txoj kev no twb pib puas zujzus lawm, tej yav kev twb khiav
tsis tau lawm...Tej no puas yog kev vam meej? Tejzaum nws yuav yog
qhov SD hais tias, "easy come, easy go".
Raws li kuv saib xwb mas, kev vam meej nyob ntuj quj qab mas yog kev
vam meej "ya ib nta ntuj lawm xwb", ua rau pejxeem yeej ntsia tsis
pom, raws tsis tau... xyov pej xeem tau nuj nqi dabtsi??... tsis tag
lino xwb, kev "vam meej" ceev npaum twg, pej xeem feem coob tseem muaj
kev txom nyeem heev dua qub thiab... Lino, koj puas xav tias yog kev
vam meej mus rau qhov zoo???
du
ib lub tsev, yus yuav tsum pib kom nws muaj foundation ruaj-ruaj thiab
ua tau lub tsev kom ruaj, kom phim yus nyob, zoo nyon thiab kav tau
ntev... kom yus muaj peevxwm maintain tau...Tej tsev tshiab thiab loj
nyob hauv nroog VT yeej yog neeg lwm tebchaws ua pub rau neeg Los
Tsuas xwb... ib ob xyoo ces twb pib puas zujzus lawm... For example,
txoj kev Sea Game tom Done Noun... ib xyoo tom qab xwb twb tos kho tas
- vim licas???. Txoj kev 450 xyoo qhib siv txijNov 2010 los xwb, niaj
hnub no, txoj kev no twb pib puas zujzus lawm, tej yav kev twb khiav
tsis tau lawm...Tej no puas yog kev vam meej? Tejzaum nws yuav yog
qhov SD hais tias, "easy come, easy go".
Raws li kuv saib xwb mas, kev vam meej nyob ntuj quj qab mas yog kev
vam meej "ya ib nta ntuj lawm xwb", ua rau pejxeem yeej ntsia tsis
pom, raws tsis tau... xyov pej xeem tau nuj nqi dabtsi??... tsis tag
lino xwb, kev "vam meej" ceev npaum twg, pej xeem feem coob tseem muaj
kev txom nyeem heev dua qub thiab... Lino, koj puas xav tias yog kev
vam meej mus rau qhov zoo???
du
idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo and เอาหัวชนฝาเพื่อเจาะรู ¨
Jun 24, 2012, 4:57:57 AM6/24/12
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xav txog tej no mas thiaj xav tias yog kuv muaj hwj huam txuj ci txaus no kuv yuav nrhiav kom tau ib daim av rau hmoob kom me li cas los ib yig hmoob kom tau ib lub tsev txaus vov peb cuam nqaeeb ntev. kom tau ib daim teb txaus cog qoob los yug hmoob txoj sia.
thaum kawg ces pab tsis tau daim av blog ntawd lawm ntshe yuav cia blog muab muag noj kom tas blog daim nyuag av ntawd.
cov av hauv ntiaj teb no ces thaum ub yeej yog neeg ntiaj teb no tug kom neeg tau ua noj/haus yug txoj sia. leej twg heev ces nam ciam teb thiab txeeb kom tau dav. tsam no ces thiaj muab lub ntiaj teb no kem ua tej daim me me tias yog ib haiv neeg lawm. hmoob ces plam tas tsis tshuav ib qhov me me los tis hmoob lub npe rau lio lawm. yawm saub tswv ntuj tswv teb yeej tsis pub kom hmoob zoo taus ces ua siab nyob txaum nyeem mog kuv cov menyuam hmoob txom nyeem aw.
daim av ntawd cia 6 blog muab muag mus kom tas. muaj hnub yog tswv ntuj/teb pom hmoob kev txom nyeem nyaj luag yuav pab cawm me me. yog tsis cawm ces hmoob yeej yog cov niag neeg raug txim yug los nyob txim nyob thuv hauv ntiaj teb. kaj tsij npo pa chim twj ywm hauv siab.
toulia vang
Jun 24, 2012, 11:56:49 AM6/24/12
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Well said about others but what about you?! My uncle said that you did
spent many years lobbying and convincing your Lao friends in the high
LPDR government position to hire you; in deed, you got some projects;
many Hmong in the west believe that you got what you want and none
made any complaint or cared about your role even though you came from
a family of historical adversary to the current regime and anti-
communism. You even have been married to a high profile family's
daughter, who has historically fought against the Kaisone's regime.
What in the heck, are you complaining of Hmong's, in the west, effort
to organize and move on to seek a better future, which is a normal
course of life in a democratic system, unlike, your friends in LPDR,
who have worshiped their God, the Communist Politburo and the party
official high ranking position holders. What in the heck, are you
returning back to the U.S. and not continuing your dreamed effort,
reconstruction of Laos, and pleasing your friends in the LPDR
government's circle. Hmong in the west decide to move forward and put
a closure to the past and look forward to a better and more prosperous
future with many choices including real democracy and leadership
competency. VP was one of the past leaders and so was your uncle. You
hold no grudge to what they did to your uncle in Sam Neua and that
created annoyance to many of us that you really want to test your
former competitors at the expense of your personal and family pain.
Good luck to your journey with your friends Hiem, Saiker, and the
likes. Do take care of yourself and your wife.
T.L.
cwj...@hotmail.com
Jun 24, 2012, 12:12:19 PM6/24/12
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Well said. the man you mentioned wanted a part of international donors' economic pies that given to Laos, but reality, there was/is none for him when he moved there. At the end of the tunnel, he found that peace and security ONLY exist in his people, Hmong, what a chiken man, he he he...
ລາວຄຳຫອມ
Jun 24, 2012, 8:42:45 PM6/24/12
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Of course there's no return. If return, return to where since it's
already paradise ? What's the mall for, you ask ? Because it goes well
with the golf courses. That's why. In order to be classified as
developed country it has to have golf courses, soccer stadiums, sport
clubs, 4G phone services, internet, traffic jam. This is the measure of
prosperity. Lao Democratic Phiba Republic (LDPR) has all of that except
a decent mall. Don't be jealous about it when you can have plenty in
your land dowunder. The land upabove is even more deserving. Where can
they put everything they freeloaded from their neighbors if not in the
mall ? toothpaste, brushes, combs, tampons, sauces,
napkins...everything. It good thing they have the mall otherwise the
golfers will never be able to golf. This will be the place they drop off
they wives. On their way back they could always pick up their wives at
the mall. They can even have some oliang before they head home together
as the loving simpleton families.
What ? the Keo and the Jek ? Don't worry about them. Never blame the
buyers, they said, blame the seller instead. Your issara government have
been selling your paradise for years now. They parceled it out and sell
it piece by piece to higher bidder, be it the Keo or the Jek. Money
matters. The south is now the all Keo towns while the north is all Jek
towns. The forest in the south is almost clean now. While you're there
go take a look. It is now the territorial fight in the capital between
the Jek and the Keo. The winner takes all. I bet the Jek will win. This
is why I asked you before, whose motherland is it ? This is the proof
that it's their motherland only because they've been selling it days in
days out. Obviously It's their mother's. Had it been your motherland at
least they would ask for your consent, wouldn't they ?
Those cockroaches lao issara have been living this way for the past 37
years starting from the day they emerged from their caves. They will use
their expertise in freeloading wherever they can; however, freeloading
another communists is always come with the price. Communists know
another communist better. As a result, Lao Phiba Republic has to give
something back. This is known as concessions. Lao Phiba Republic loves
its face more than anything. As long as some one can brighten its face
it will accommodate any concession.
High rises like Bangkok ? How could it ever be ? How could freeloader
freeload itself to be equal of its donor ? How could the cockroach grow
bigger than the size of the rice grain it feasted on ? Does this even
make any sense ? or is it just the phiba's dream ?
Fear no more ! No matter how your beloved Vientiane is changing. It can
not be more than the capital of the world poorest. This is the fact with
respect to the rest of the world. The leadership, the people, the mind,
the environment make it that way. Just like the slum. You can park your
Mercedes there and people still say it's parked in the slum because the
location is the slum. Everything else in there makes it a slum. Your
Mercedes does not change it reputation ! This is exactly the lao issara
government, the simpleton of Asia is trying to do. To fool themselves
and to fool the world by parking a Mercedes in the slum thus making it
no longer a slum. Allowed more cars to create the traffic jam, put some
few high rises in the capital, will this change the reputation of what
it is ? Only the fools have such idea and the fools are the lao issara
communists. If you dress up an idiot with $3000 Armani suit, will this
makes him a genius ? Is it what the person wears, or displays makes him
of what he is ? It's is only perception isn't it. What about the truth ?
already paradise ? What's the mall for, you ask ? Because it goes well
with the golf courses. That's why. In order to be classified as
developed country it has to have golf courses, soccer stadiums, sport
clubs, 4G phone services, internet, traffic jam. This is the measure of
prosperity. Lao Democratic Phiba Republic (LDPR) has all of that except
a decent mall. Don't be jealous about it when you can have plenty in
your land dowunder. The land upabove is even more deserving. Where can
they put everything they freeloaded from their neighbors if not in the
mall ? toothpaste, brushes, combs, tampons, sauces,
napkins...everything. It good thing they have the mall otherwise the
golfers will never be able to golf. This will be the place they drop off
they wives. On their way back they could always pick up their wives at
the mall. They can even have some oliang before they head home together
as the loving simpleton families.
What ? the Keo and the Jek ? Don't worry about them. Never blame the
buyers, they said, blame the seller instead. Your issara government have
been selling your paradise for years now. They parceled it out and sell
it piece by piece to higher bidder, be it the Keo or the Jek. Money
matters. The south is now the all Keo towns while the north is all Jek
towns. The forest in the south is almost clean now. While you're there
go take a look. It is now the territorial fight in the capital between
the Jek and the Keo. The winner takes all. I bet the Jek will win. This
is why I asked you before, whose motherland is it ? This is the proof
that it's their motherland only because they've been selling it days in
days out. Obviously It's their mother's. Had it been your motherland at
least they would ask for your consent, wouldn't they ?
Those cockroaches lao issara have been living this way for the past 37
years starting from the day they emerged from their caves. They will use
their expertise in freeloading wherever they can; however, freeloading
another communists is always come with the price. Communists know
another communist better. As a result, Lao Phiba Republic has to give
something back. This is known as concessions. Lao Phiba Republic loves
its face more than anything. As long as some one can brighten its face
it will accommodate any concession.
High rises like Bangkok ? How could it ever be ? How could freeloader
freeload itself to be equal of its donor ? How could the cockroach grow
bigger than the size of the rice grain it feasted on ? Does this even
make any sense ? or is it just the phiba's dream ?
Fear no more ! No matter how your beloved Vientiane is changing. It can
not be more than the capital of the world poorest. This is the fact with
respect to the rest of the world. The leadership, the people, the mind,
the environment make it that way. Just like the slum. You can park your
Mercedes there and people still say it's parked in the slum because the
location is the slum. Everything else in there makes it a slum. Your
Mercedes does not change it reputation ! This is exactly the lao issara
government, the simpleton of Asia is trying to do. To fool themselves
and to fool the world by parking a Mercedes in the slum thus making it
no longer a slum. Allowed more cars to create the traffic jam, put some
few high rises in the capital, will this change the reputation of what
it is ? Only the fools have such idea and the fools are the lao issara
communists. If you dress up an idiot with $3000 Armani suit, will this
makes him a genius ? Is it what the person wears, or displays makes him
of what he is ? It's is only perception isn't it. What about the truth ?
koj...@gmail.com
Jun 25, 2012, 8:58:14 AM6/25/12
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On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:44:51 PM UTC-5, DownUnder wrote:
Hajyam zoo xwb os nawb, cas zoo li sawvdaws nim paub paub los ho paub tsis kawg li thiab lau...
Tus LPDR twb tag tswvyim lawm nawb, nws twb tws kev vim tshuav Nyablaj nqi ntau Nyajlaj twb nqos nws li tus Nab daj nqos tus kheb es tseem nqos nrag kotw tuaj, tus LPDR kev tws lawm thiaj muab ntau yam cob rau tus SUAV kom ua tus pab txha daig Nyablaj cajpas.
Nyablaj twb nqos Nplog ntsiag to lawm, Nplog Liab thiab Dawb tag tswvyim thiaj zias SUAV kom thaum kawg muaj qhov daig Nyablaj cajdab. Hamtsis tshuav tib qho nyuag game no rau lawv play lawm xwb, yog yus los kawg ua li xwb thiab vim yus tws kev lwm ne.
Luag cov paub paub ces twb yeej npaj siab lawm tias thaum xaus: Daim av (MAP) ntawm Asia qabteb hnub tuaj yuav tau ke thiab kos dua...Sawvdaws mam soj seb qhov tseeb puas tshwm tau.
X Z
DownUnder
Jun 26, 2012, 2:30:12 AM6/26/12
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There is another problem that I did not mention... CARS++++
There is a real problem with traffic in VT during peak hours, with
cars and motocycles.
There has been a fast increase in the number of cars - second hand
cars from Thailand, Vietnam & China - especialy.
There are stories of coulums of luxery cars from China entering Laos
as tourist but there is no way to tell if any of those cars have left
Laos...
And there are many foreign banks that are happy to loan money for any
onen to buy cars.... So, if you are in Vientiane, you can SEE the
hireachy of people with cars - the people who paid cash for their cars
got a YELLO number plate. Those who go on loan from the bank got a
WHITE number plate!!! So, if you are driving a WHITE number plate,
people will look down on you. Some Lao officials who bought their car
on loan are given a YELLOW plate... so to FIT their position!!!
Then the green number plates....and so on....
du
------------------------
2012-0625 - Asia News Network - Laos puts brakes on secondhand car
imports
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/06/25/laos-puts-brakes-secondhand-car-imports.html
Business
Laos puts brakes on secondhand car imports
Asia News Network (Vientiane News), Vietnam | Business | Mon,
06/25/2012 3:18 PM
Laos President Choummaly Sayasone has advised the ministry of industry
and commerce to introduce concrete measures to stop the import of
secondhand cars, as Vientiane is facing traffic congestion.
“The ministry should carefully check and recheck to ensure that the
import of secondhand vehicles is really halted,” Choummaly said as he
delivered the policy to leaders and officials of the ministry in
Vientiane on Thursday.
The government had ordered the ministry to stop the import of
secondhand vehicles earlier this year but the number of secondhand
cars on sale in Vientiane has remained unchanged over the past few
months, raising questions as to whether the import of these vehicles
had really stopped.
“I still see many cars on display but not yet on the road. If all of
these cars start to be used, we will not be able to move around and
people in the capital will not be able to visit each other,” Choummaly
said.
Choummaly, who is also secretary general of the Lao People's
Revolutionary Party, said Vientiane was a small city and with the
number of cars growing rapidly, traffic jams were occurring, so the
ministry should come up with new measures to stop further imports.
He also said he wanted trade policy makers to consider the increasing
number of secondhand vehicles as a serious problem which they needed
to solve.
The number of vehicles on Vientiane's roads has been increasing
rapidly over the past few years while the government allowed second-
hand vehicle imports. Lao people obviously considered the cost of
secondhand vehicles more affordable...........................
There is a real problem with traffic in VT during peak hours, with
cars and motocycles.
There has been a fast increase in the number of cars - second hand
cars from Thailand, Vietnam & China - especialy.
There are stories of coulums of luxery cars from China entering Laos
as tourist but there is no way to tell if any of those cars have left
Laos...
And there are many foreign banks that are happy to loan money for any
onen to buy cars.... So, if you are in Vientiane, you can SEE the
hireachy of people with cars - the people who paid cash for their cars
got a YELLO number plate. Those who go on loan from the bank got a
WHITE number plate!!! So, if you are driving a WHITE number plate,
people will look down on you. Some Lao officials who bought their car
on loan are given a YELLOW plate... so to FIT their position!!!
Then the green number plates....and so on....
du
------------------------
2012-0625 - Asia News Network - Laos puts brakes on secondhand car
imports
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/06/25/laos-puts-brakes-secondhand-car-imports.html
Business
Laos puts brakes on secondhand car imports
Asia News Network (Vientiane News), Vietnam | Business | Mon,
06/25/2012 3:18 PM
Laos President Choummaly Sayasone has advised the ministry of industry
and commerce to introduce concrete measures to stop the import of
secondhand cars, as Vientiane is facing traffic congestion.
“The ministry should carefully check and recheck to ensure that the
import of secondhand vehicles is really halted,” Choummaly said as he
delivered the policy to leaders and officials of the ministry in
Vientiane on Thursday.
The government had ordered the ministry to stop the import of
secondhand vehicles earlier this year but the number of secondhand
cars on sale in Vientiane has remained unchanged over the past few
months, raising questions as to whether the import of these vehicles
had really stopped.
“I still see many cars on display but not yet on the road. If all of
these cars start to be used, we will not be able to move around and
people in the capital will not be able to visit each other,” Choummaly
said.
Choummaly, who is also secretary general of the Lao People's
Revolutionary Party, said Vientiane was a small city and with the
number of cars growing rapidly, traffic jams were occurring, so the
ministry should come up with new measures to stop further imports.
He also said he wanted trade policy makers to consider the increasing
number of secondhand vehicles as a serious problem which they needed
to solve.
The number of vehicles on Vientiane's roads has been increasing
rapidly over the past few years while the government allowed second-
hand vehicle imports. Lao people obviously considered the cost of
secondhand vehicles more affordable...........................
All4One
Jun 26, 2012, 9:37:02 AM6/26/12
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I can care less if they have every color of the color wheel to signified wealth.
AFFLUENT countries operates their societies based on a "CREDIT" system which help fuels their economy 100 folds than societies that operates their financial system based on "CASH".
Jim
AFFLUENT countries operates their societies based on a "CREDIT" system which help fuels their economy 100 folds than societies that operates their financial system based on "CASH".
Jim
idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo and เอาหัวชนฝาเพื่อเจาะรู ¨
Jun 26, 2012, 11:12:28 AM6/26/12
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lawv tseem siv nyiaj li puag thaum i kuv yawg lawv siv. mus ua lag luam tas nyiaj choj tej daim nyhav nyhav. yuav pauv ua nyiaj ntawv mam khaws cias los nyiaj ntawd poob nqe yoojyim thiab khaws cia ntev zog ntsaum thiab kablaum muab txo/txiav ua tej kab ces tsis zoo siv lawm. kawg khaws cia ua nyiaj choj tsis muaj chaw cia tej yam nyhav nyhav li ntawd ces kawg muab teem haum qab phijxab. tom qab no thaum nyajlaj tua tuaj ze peb zos, peb lub zos mam ua li lub khaib 6 pem roob. thaum ntawd mas riam phom thiab luv tem mas pawg lug pem khaib kuv txiv thiab kuv yawg lawv mus khaws cov thawv hlau uas thaum ntej siv rau mos txwv thiab luv tem. nqa co thaws hlau tej lub ntsuab ntsuab kwv yees li 10x10x24 inches. coj los ntim cov nyiaj choj puv nkaus ces nqa tsis tau mus twg li lawm. kawg muag cab thiab thawb kom txav zuj zus rau hauv qab txag cia xwb. kuv cov khoom menyuam yau ua si kuv tsis paub cia twg li ces kuv nkag coj kuv tej tujlub thiab menyuam tsheb y as me me coj mus zais hauv qab txag. pom cov thawv hlaus nyhav nyhav ntawd ntau li ntau thaiv kev tsis tau kev nkag mus zais kuv cov khoom. yus nqa tsis tau cov thawv tawm tabsis muab cab/thawb kom nrug zog kuv tau zais khoom. tej lub daim npog lub thaws tsis kho lawv yus muab thawb thawb daim hau qeb mam pom tias hauv cov thaws hlau muaj tej daim dawb dawb ntev zog yus menyuam yau ib dos nyhav kawg. yus menyuam yau ces ib sab tes nqa tau ib daim xwb ces txaus nqa kawg lawm.
lpdr tseem yuav siv nyiaj ntawv thiaj nyiaj choj xwb los ca ne. kuj ua credit thiab number xwb pob. yog yuav siv nyiaj ntawv thiab nyiaj choj xwb ces 1 million ces puv ib lub tsev lawm. yog muaj 10 millions ces twb yuav tau ua ntau lub tsev ntim. ua tsev ntau leej twg yuav nyob kom tso siab cia nyiaj rau cov tsev ntawd na. yuav ib tug poj niam nyob ib lub tsev thiab tias. kuv mas hlub koj tsahAJ LWM TUS poj niam tib si kuv thiaj cia kuv cov nyiaj ntau ntau hauv lub tsev koj nyob nov na. dag li dag nkaus xwb los poj niam kam kawg vim nyiaj puv tsev tsheb thiab maum taus mas xav mus twg los nrod les txawb nkaus tus yees. cov niag poj niam laus zog muab nrauj kiag mam coj dua tus tshiab tshiab under 20. yog tshaj 20 ces twb ze sij hawm lawv yuav muab ncaws tawm.
kuj muab pauv los ua credit number system. muaj 10 millions los tsis tas mus ua tsev ntau los ntim nyiaj. nqa ib daim nyuag plastic luaj 3 nti xwb yuav rau 100 millions rau daim plastic ntawd los yoojyim. yus txog twg nyiaj nyob ntawd. yus yuav pub nyiaj rau tej tug ntxim nyiam ntxim hlub los poj niam tsis paub. yog yuav nqa nyiaj ntawv thiab nyiaj choj mas kawg poj niam paub li laud.
pauv kiag banking system los rau internet. txhua yam tuaj email. them nqe los email thiab website lawm xwb. credit/debit monthly statement los email tibsi lawm ces poj niam tsis pom yus siv nyiaj npaum cas mus rau tus yus nyiam tshaj thiab hlub tshaj. password lock tej yam uas tseem ceeb rau yus. password mas txhob cia siab tias 10 tus ntawv yuav siv nyom. yam tsawg yuav tau zsiv 16 rov lawm saud.
kuv lub computer ces xauv kiag tas ib fab khawv koob. leej twg yuav break tau lub hard drive mas ntshe yuav yog billion xyoo yog lawv tsis siv key logger uas paub kiag tseeb tseeb tias kuv sob lus yog li cas kiag lawm.
DownUnder
Jul 4, 2012, 11:31:49 AM7/4/12
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I could not locate the artist impression of the new Vientiane....
(somewhere in my hard-drive of many 1000+ photos) but here is a bit
from the news of what the Chinese are planning to do...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61375278@N00/7498726870/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61375278@N00/7498725090/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61375278@N00/7498728370/
du
(somewhere in my hard-drive of many 1000+ photos) but here is a bit
from the news of what the Chinese are planning to do...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61375278@N00/7498726870/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61375278@N00/7498725090/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61375278@N00/7498728370/
du
ala
Jul 6, 2012, 9:40:10 PM7/6/12
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"All4One" <jim...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
Jul 6, 2012, 11:52:15 PM7/6/12
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On Jun 20, 2:44 pm, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:
mi hlub
Jul 3, 2015, 2:48:10 PM7/3/15
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mi hlub
Jul 6, 2015, 6:28:55 AM7/6/15
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LPDR most LOGICAL solution will be to sign up CHINA to fight VIETNAM and sign up USA to fight CHINA just to prolong the LPDR's life for a few more years. LPDR is in between a hard place and the ROCK so it will SCREAM, MOAN, and BEGGING 4 HELP BUT no where we HMONG will jump in to use our blood to GUARD the border NO MORE. WE HAD ENOUGH of lies and tricks from LAOTIANS. THE LAST CIVIL WAR between the 2 ROYAL brothers ending 1975 but we HMONG WERE BLAMED and chased OUT. LAOTIAN PROVERB -->> WHEN THE FARM IS DONE KILL THE BUFFALO WHEN THE WAR IS DONE KILL THE DEFENDERS. that was they did to us HMONG. SOON AFTER THAT WAR IS OVER, LPDR SIGNED UP VIETNAMESE TO FIGHT REBELS (WE HMONG). WE HAD TO RUN INTO THe JUNGLE AS REBELS because LPDR SENT NATIONAL SOLDIERS TO CHASE US OUT OF OUR VILLAGES.
THIS TIME LPDR IS BEING PRESSURED and is looking for DEFENDERS BUT DO NOT LOOK OUR WAY. WE WILL JOIN VIET/CHINA to remove LPDR's iron grip of that little NATION.
mi hlub
Jul 7, 2015, 1:44:49 PM7/7/15
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mi hlub
Jul 7, 2015, 2:12:21 PM7/7/15
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"TalatSao" ON OUR WAY out of laos IN october 1979 we arrived in VT CITY RATHER LATE BEYOND 12AM so instead of finding HOTEL for the night we chose to use the "TalatSao" as our BEDS. WE USE THE VENDORS SELLING TABLES AS BEDS for the night. came 5AM the vendor already flooded the TalatSao to SETUP there selling tables. we just had to go away. YEP AWAY WE WENT DOWN TO THE MEKONG VIA THE DOZENS OF STEPS. WE JUMPED INTO A BIG MOTORIZED BOAT AND UP THE MEKONG THE BOAT STARTED TO PUSHING UP INCH BY INCH AND OFTEN IT EVEN FLOAT BACKWARD. 2 DAYS AND A IGHT ON A SMALL VILLAGE ISLAND WE ARRIVED IN XANAKHAM CITY. FROM THERE WE SPENT A NIGHT. NEXT DAY WE WALKED 2 DAYS STRAIGHT TO NAKANG. "Talat" IN VT CITY WAS MY FIRST TIME TO TASTE ICE COLD COFFEE AND LEMONADE. I TOOK A BITE OF THE ICE AND REALIZED IT WAS TOO HOT. I HAND OVER MY BAG OF ICE COLD COFFE. TO MY SURPRISE MOST EVERYONE WHO GOT A BAG OF ICE COLD BAG OF DRINK HANDED OVER THE BAGS TOO. TOO HOT WE SAID. TO MY SURPRISE IN 1/1980 WE ARRIVED IN VINAI NO ONE HAND ME A BAG OF THOSE ICE COLD COFFEE ANYMORE. 1 BAHT A BAG BEST REFRESHING DRINK IN VINAI. THE TALAT THERE SELL PHO IN 1,3, OR 5 BAHT A BOWL. THE 1 BAHT BOWL WAS SMALL AND PLAIN WHILE THE 5 BHT BOWL ARE HUGE AND GET TO SELECT 3-4 PIECECS OF MEAT TO GO ALONG WITHE THE MEAL. TALAT SAO IN VT CITY I SPENT A NIGHT THERE USING VENDOR TABLES/BENCHES AS BEDS.
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