Noj Tsiab Peb Caug Hmoob
hnu...@gmail.com
(not practicing any religion) tiam sis kuv xav pha kuv tsev neeg (hauv
yus vaj yus tsev xwb) noj tsiab peb caug no yus yuav ua dab tsi xwb.
HK
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
if your'e referring to the whole "noj tsiab/30" ces yes, it is based
on religious beliefs. however, if you'r eonly referring to the "pluag
mov" xwb, ces it has nothing to do with religion.
yog koj yuav noj pluag mov xwb, ces ignore hu plig, txw xwm kab, ua
neeb etc....tsau mov tau ces noj xwb...
yaweh
tzex...@msn.com
HK n Ya
Noj tsiab ces yog noj tsiab. Noj 30 ces yog noj 30. Ob yam no tsis
yog tib yam.
Noj tsiab yog pluas mov loj tshaj plaws ib xyoos puag ncig ntawm ib
yim neeg. Nws yog pluas mov noj haus raws txoj kev plua nuj ntawm
txoj kev khwv ib xyoo puag ncig. Yog yuav hais tias yog pluas mov xaus
txoj kev khwv liaj kwv teb no los kuj yog. Lus Eelkiv mas tej zaum
yuav hu ua Family Prosperity Celebration. Cov tseem coj poj yawm hais
yeej hais tas mus li thaum npwj laig poj yawm hais tias, "...thaiv mob
thaiv ntsaj, thaiv nab thaiv qav, thaiv zeb thaiv cav, thaiv plaub
thaiv ntug rau ntiaj tog qaum pes. Pov hwm pov yawm kuv ib tsev nees
nkaum leej tsis muaj mob tsis muaj nkees, kuv ua tau noj tau haus ces
nej noj ua ntej kuv li noj ua qab." Raws li nqe lus no mas yog noj
tsiab ua poj yawm tsaug.
Noj 30 yog yog noj pluas mov sam hwm ncej dab ncej qua thiab poj yawm
tias hnub no yog lub 12 hlis ntuj hnub 30 es tas xyoo lawm. Thiaj li
hu yus tsev neeg plig thiab thiaj li hu nyiaj plig kub plig qoob plig
loo plig tsiaj plig txuv los vaj los tsev los nquam paj nquam nruas.
Yog hais tias poj yawm los tsis coj, Yesus los tsis coj, no kuv kuj
niaj hnub npj peb caug thiab niaj hnub noj tsiab lawm as.
Txawjxab
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
Kuv yeej paub li kod mas...kuv thiaj tsi hais tias "tsiab 30"...kuv
tias "tsiab/30"
yaweh
phee...@wowway.com
Pheejxeeb
hmoobtau...@yahoo.com
> Kuv yeej paub li neb hais tab sis kuv lom txwm tsi hais xwb....
>
> Pheejxeeb
Kuv yeej paub le mej has hab los mav tabsis kuv yeej los tsi ua xwb
rua qhov tub nam paab tsi tau dlaab tsi le. Ua ua tej nam thaub laug
kws tuag taag lawm tsaug los sov zoo le puab tub tsi nam paab dlaab
tsi le. Hu hu tsev nam tuab neeg plig los zoo le pheej yog nam plig
qub xwb. Tug nam phem phem nyaum nyaum cais hu plig taag los nyaum le
qub. Tug nam tub nkeeg cais hu plig taag los tseem yog nam plig tub
nkeeg le qub. Ab yab tej nam nuav cais tsi muaj qaab ntxhab le os.
Hmoob taug rig ntsev
hnu...@gmail.com
hais tias yog yus tsis practice "religion" los sis tsis coj kev dab
qhuas Hmoob ces yus tsis tas celebrate Hmong New year li no nas? I'm
trying to find something meanigful and practical but not necessarily
as part of a "religion" per se.
HK
Tzianeng Vang
Caug" kuj yuav los pab peb rheev kom ntxaws tias Hmoob kab li kev kev
cai dab qhuas yog li cas ho koob tsheej (celebration) ntawm qoob loo
thiab tshoo tsho (culture) ho yog li cas...good point to start
distinguishing of what is cultural and religious...
Seb nej ho xam pom li cas, thiab?
dawb...@yahoo.com
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Hnub es,
Yog koj tsis muaj religion li lawm ces tsis tag ua dab tsi li rau
Hmoob lub Tsiab Pebcaug lawm. Tab sis yog koj muaj me tub los me
ntxhais tus tseem tsis tau muaj tub hlub es xav mus nrhiav nyab los
vauv ces koj coj los yog kom lawv mus nrhiav tom Hmoob lub tsav qaib.
Vim Hmoob yuav coj Hmoob tej tub ntxhais coob coob tuaj pov pob nej
thiaj yuav muaj chance pom tus yus nyiam.
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
kuv mam qhia koj.
this is what's involved in a tsiab/30.
1. 1 chicken for xwm kab, 2 chickens for hu plig (if you want plig
qoob plig loo thiab....ces...3 chickens), 1 chicken mus foom yeem,
about 4 other for ua neeb foom yeem (yog ua neeb hauv tsev), eggs..and
xyab
2. 4 swm ntawv for txw xwm kab, thiab 2 swm per "dabqhua" places
(qhov cub qhov txo etc...)
2. xyov txheej....4 daig ntawm qhov rooj (the main entrance) and two
per every other room...4 daig rau 4 kam tsev
3. hu plig
4. noj 30 (the main meal)
5. xob yem (at midnight)
6. ntuag qhauv pis leg
7. pe tsiab
8. ntxuav kauv laug
9. xa noob nco/tiam noob ncoo
10. TSO PLIG (MUAJ IB CO TSO PLIG THAUM NO)
but...yog tias koj xav ua loj loj ces NOJ TSIAB THAUM NO....NOJ TSIAB
MUST INVOLVE IB TUS NPUA TSIAB...MUAJ LIB 7 TAU ROV SAWD. kev noj
tsiab mas muaj cov xeej cawv ntau ntau plus hais kwvtxhiaj noj tsiab
tibsi...yog yuav ua tag tag ces ua li no.
keep in mind, hmoob tias noj 30...yog noj 10 dish per day for 3
days...= 30. 3 hnub no, mas caiv...ua dab ua qhua xwb...THIS IS WHAT
HMONG NEW YEAR IS....AFTER THIS 3 DAYS (THE MAIN PRACTICE OF NEW
YEAR), CES MAM MUS HAVE FUN tom "hauv toj (tshav pob)" which is not
part of the new year but another event happend to be right after hmoob
lub new year.
as you can see, most of the practices are part of "religion"...yog koj
xav noj tsiab xwb..or noj 30 xwb ces...ignore everything else...except
the main meal (30/tsiab). cov xeej cawv tseem ceeb ces...yog 2 lub
xwb...xa xyoo laus and txais xyoo tshiab xwb...ua li no ces tau lawm.
yaweh
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
kuv los pom li kojhais thiab...temsis brother, sch yeej muaj tej no
lawm..regardles sof how you explain it...or how you present the
differences...even if you went to the core of diffrences....tibneeg
tsi ntseeg.....
for me, i dont' believe hu plig, ua neeb, txw xwm kab etc yog religion
(i believe these things are culture)....for me, religion only revolves
around "laig" pog/yawg xwb...but its hard to explain this when people
when they are "refusing" to know.
yaweh
Hmong-Lao
Cia kuv piav raws li qhov kuv ua los lawm seb koj puas yog li qhov nej
ua thiab. Thaum tseem hluas (tsis tau txi xwm kab), muaj tej xyoo yeej
tsis hu plig peb caug li. Luag noj peb caug es hu txog yus ces mus
nrog luag noj xwb. Thaum luag mus tom tshav nquam paj nquam nruas, ces
coj poj niam me nyuam mus saib thiab xwb. Me nyuam tseem yau, tsis tau
txawj pov pob, tabsis kuj ntim ntim tsoos rau thiab laid.
Yog koj xav noj 30 tiag tiag ces, cia li ua ib rooj hmo kom ib nyuag
zoo saib ces hu yus cov txheeb ze tuaj nrog noj xwb los yeej zoo lawm.
Tsis thas hu plig, ntov pobntoos, txi xwm kab, lossis thov Vajtswv li,
cia li noj ua kev xa xyoo laus thiab txais tos xyoo tshiab xwb. Tib
yam nkaus li peb cov niag tseem coj dabqhuas Hmoob no ne, peb twb noj
Thanks Giving dinner, es twb tsis thov Vajtswv lossis laig poj laig
yawm hlo li ne. Hos txog Chrismas los peb twb yuav khoom plig pub
nkaus qab ntoos rau me nyuam tib yam cov coj kev cai Christian thiab
ne.
HL
hnu...@gmail.com
in? Is it simply part of the nqaum paj nqaum nruas/pov pob/public
celebration? I thought it's part of the new year's eve ritual like the
X-Mas eve service.
HK
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
nkawm taw qaib? nkaum taw qaib? hmmmm..not sure what you meant...
temsis, thaum txog 30 ntawd, yog tias hauv tsev muaj tibneeg ua neeb,
ces yeej npauj 1 tus qaib los "saib" hmoov...temsis yog tias tsi muaj
leejtwg ua neeb hauv tsev los, koj nug seb leej else ua neeb foom yeem
at that time, ces koj npauj ib tus qaib mus rau nws pab saib koj tsev
neeg...ua neeb tag ces, koj ce cawv thov tus txiv neeb ntawd saib koj
tus qaib....is this what you meant?
yaweh
hnu...@gmail.com
VP lub xab maus xoom tag ces mas los noj nqaij txhiab nqaij ci, tuav
ncuav, npaj ub npaj no yuav npj peb caug laiv. Nim no mas pom lawv
nkaum qaib no tim tshav pob ntag tiam sis tsis paub meej tias yog part
of pov pob (public celebration) xwb los part of "private" new year
ritual thiab no.
HK
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
regardless of what how people may make you think...whatever happens
tom tshav pob (and lub tshav pob) tsi yog new year nawb...that's a
separate ritual/practice which happens to be "stuck" after new year
lawm xwb (after the 3 days of new year practices).
per what you say..i'm not sure what "nkaum" means in this context.
temsis, keep in mind that thaum hmoob los txog nplog teb, lub tshav
pob (the correct name is hauv toj) evolved. thaum los txog nplog teb
ces muaj ib lub "yeem xyoo" nrog lawm. the hauv toj also serves both
as fiv yeem and pauj yeem. in this case, muaj qaib thiab mas.
yaweh
kwv...@aol.com
thiab ces tu siab lau. hais lo lus tuaj siab yus txawm yog ib tug poj
dab poj ntsuag los txog ib lub tsiab peb caug xyoo tshiab, yus yuav
tsum tau ua li no.
1. ua/teev/txi yus tus xwm kab
2. hu plig tsiab peb caug - hu yus tsev neeg tej ntsuj plig, tej plig
qoob plig loo, plig tshiaj pliag txhuv, thiab plig nyiaj plig kub.
3. lag dab- laig yus niam yus txiv, yus tej kwv tij tau tso yus tseg
lawm, laig tej dab vaj dab tsev thiab xeeb teb xeeb chaw
yog koj tseem yog ib tug tseem coj kev cai qub, koj tsis ua kiag los
koj twb yuav tsum tau ua 3 yam no nawb. yog 3 yam no koj twb tsis ua
lawm ces hais ncaj los mas, tuag ces luag pov tseg lawm xwb. taw kev
thiab qeej nruag los tsis tas ua rau lawm ho vajtswv los tsis thov rau
li lawm.
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
koj hais zoo kuv siab tshaj....kojhais yog ler...luag tias ua ib tus
niam tsev/txiv tsev yog tsi paub tej no ces...tsi tsim nyog
kiag...hais ces yuav tuaj siab cov uas tsi paub tej no...temsis qhov
tseeb yog qhov tseeb
yaweh
hnu...@gmail.com
muaj tus xav kawm ces cia li qhia xwb los pob cas tseem cem thiab yom?
Kuv mas laus nawb tiam sis mas tsis tau muaj tus qhia kuv ua tej kev
cai nej hais ntawd li ov.
Xyov tiag, tsis xav nug ntxiv tsam nej ho cem ntxiv thiab tab sis yeej
tsis paub tiag ces yuav tau rov nug ntxiv thiaj laud. Here's the
question: cov dab niam dab txiv puas kam txais tej lus fij/laig dab
los ntawm pojniam thiab los yog yuav tsum yog tus txiv neej xwb? hu
plig mas yeej paub tias pojniam ua tau lawm thiab yus ua yus dog dig
le paub xwb los yeej tau thiab. Ua neeb mas yuav tsum yog tus txiv/
poj neeb txhiaj tau. Teev xwm kab los yog tsis muaj txiv neej ces
pojniam los yeej lam ua tau thiab. Qhov tsis paub mas yog tsis paub
tias cov dab uas yus teev ntawd puas kam txais no nas. Yog yus teev
ib xyoo ib zaug xwb mas xav ua kom tau the "most benefit" no. Pab
qhia tuaj ntxiv thiab saib. Yog xav cem no los tau thiab tiam sis cem
kom muag miv ntsiv xwv thiaj noog taus mog.
HK
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
the reason why most pojniam teev dabvajtswv lawm...vim tias dabvajtswv
tsi discriminate against pojniam....
however, for a hmong, txawm tias yog pojniam txiv neej los tsi
matter...tsuav yog koj tseem muaj dab ces yeej laig tau thiab teev tau
tag li. example...koj tus txiv tuag, but koj tseem ua nws xeem...ces
koj yeej teev tau per dabqhua ntawd.
yog koj tus txiv tuag es koj yuav dua txiv tshiab lawm, ces koj yeej
teev tau qhov dabqhua tshiab ntawd...
or yog koj nrauj lawm, es koj rov mus ua koj niam (birth mother) txiv
lawd dabqhua, ces koj yeej teev/laig lawd tau thiab.
temsis, yog koj nrauj txiv, hos tsi yuav txiv, hos tsi rov mus ua
niamtxiv yug koj dabqhuas thiab no ces...tsi muaj chaw teev, chaw
laig...
yaweh
vimhlub
Hnub,
Qhov koj hais ntawd yog "lwm sub" os. Ib txhia kuj hu tias "nkaum toj
qaib" no thiab vim tsis xav kom "sub" paub ces luag thiaj hais lo lus
zoo nkauj tias "nkaum toj qaib" no xwb. "Lwm sub" ces yog muab tej
sub taw sub ntshav "lwm"/sau mus pov tseg. Ib txhia mas kuj nqa tej
taus/txuas/riam/phom coj mus lwm sub tibsi. Lwm tas ces tua phom --
qhov ntawd yog tua sub. Nyob tebchaws no ces tsis lwm sub los yog
nkaum toj qaib tim tshav pob lawm vim twb lwm sub ua ntej noj tsiab
thiab hu pliag lawm. Yog twb tuaj pov pob lawm es mam li lwm sub ces
lig dhau lawm. Tim ub mas tshav pob los nyob ntawd, tshav lwm sub los
nyob ntawd es thiaj li ua 2 qho ntawd rau ib qhov chaw xwb. Tabsis
nco ntsoo tias luag tsis yog ib txhij ua 2 yam ua ke. Luag yuav tsum
lwm sub tag, mus hu plig, noj tsiab tag mas luag mam li tuaj pov pob
nawb.
Teb koj lo lus nug tias yog koj xav coj koj tsev tib neeg noj pebcaug
yam tias tsis tas ua kevcai dabtsi hlo li es yuav ua li cas:
Ua tau 1 plaus mov kom zoo tsim nyog ces tsuas hais tias: los peb sawv
daws noj. Rooj nod yog peb noj pebcaug nawb. 1 lub xyoo khwv khwv li
es sawv daws los peb noj peb haus ua ke kom tsim nyog peb txoj kev
khwv 1 lub xyoo. Hais li no xwb ces yeej yog kawg li lawm los mas.
Lwm yam ces tsuas yog ua raws li kev ntseeg lawm xwb. Tseem ceeb
ntawm los lus hais tias "noj tsiab pebcaug" no ces yog noj tsiaj noj
txuv...noj kom txaus txaus tsim nyog txoj kev khwv ib lub xyoo xwb os.
vimhlub
Luag yeej kam txais koj kawg los mas. Luag yuav tsis suav tias koj
yog pojniam los yog txiv neej no. Tseeb tiag seb koj puas yeem ua
tiag tiag xwb los mas. Yog koj yeem lawm ces luag kuj txais xwb.
Yav dhau los txiv neej sij ua xwb los twb vim tej ntawd yog txiv neej
haujlwm...luag hais tias txiv neej peem xeeb yog ib tug tub cag, nws
yuav tsum teev nws dab tiam nws qhua no xwb nas...ho yog pojniam ho
muaj lub siab teev dab tiam qhua los tau kawg los mas...yeej tsis muaj
ib tug cai twg txwv txiav li os.
phwvnyawm
Lwm yam mas koj yog poj niam koj yeej ua tau tag tshuav yog koj
txawj.......hos qhov laig dab no mas .......raws li kuv paub mas tej
laus pheej hais tias yuav tsum yog tus tub laig thiaj tau.......vim
ntxhais tsis coj dab........tej fiv yeem,ua neeb,pauj yeem,hu
plig,pauj poj dab pog nkawm niam txiv,lwm qaib,lwmyuav nyab,tsawj
neeb.....etc koj ua tau tag tib si.
Kwv thiab Tsuj,
Neb txhob cem-m li Hnub kaj hais nawb.......peb muaj ib
txhia......hais lus yuav ntxhib me ntsis.......cov tub Nom thiab
Ntxhais Nom thaum nyob tim ub tuaj ces yeej tsis paub quav dev dab
tsis li tiag......kuv pom ib txhia nad......kom teeb lub rooj hu plig
twb tsis paub.......tej no yuav tau kawm li Hnub hais tiag
nawb......ua zoo qhia.......kuv kiag naj.....thaum tseem hluas peb
tuaj nyob nram Orange county thiab Long Beach.....4-5 xyoo kuv yeej
tsis noj 30 li laid.......tos yus paub xwb hli twb dhau lawm
ned......ib qhov yeej yog kuv mus lawb dab lawm thiab.......peb tsuas
nrog Meskas noj Meskas lub lawm xwb.......twb yog los nyob hauv
Fresno.......kwv tij muaj coob lawm ib tug tham rau ib tug es thiaj
nco qab noj tsiab nad.
Hnub tsis nco lawm yog koj yuav noj tsiab no ces koj txhob noj ntxov-v
tsam muaj neeg ho thuam koj thiab........yog koj noj hli Meskas ces
lub 12 hli tim 1 mus txog 29 koj noj hnub twg los tau......yog koj
yuav noj hli hmoob ces koj nug saib xiab 1 lub 12 hli poob rau hnub
twg......xiab ib mus txog xiab 29 ces koj noj hnub twg los tau. Noj 30
mas yuav tsum noj hmo 30 nkaus-s xwb.Noj hmo kawg tag kis ces yog xyoo
tshiab lawm.
Noj tsiab koj yuav tsum hu cov txheeb ze tuaj nrog koj noj.......noj
30 koj tsev neeg nkaus-s xwb......vim hmo 30 txhua-ua yim noj. Yog koj
tshuav niam pog txiv yawg tsis nrog koj nyob ces koj kom nkawv tuaj
nrog nej noj 30......teb chaw no ces niam tais yawm txiv thiab
od.....koj yuav npaj lawv ib leeg ib lub qe mas lawv zoo siab tas-s li
nawb....dhau qhov qe ces ib leeg ib nplooj tso hauv hnab ntawv rau
lawv siv thaum tom tshav pob. Muaj dab tsis xav kawm peb mam sib qhia
nawb.
zhen
> the reason why most pojniam teev dabvajtswv lawm...vim tias dabvajtswv
> tsi discriminate against pojniam....
i thought you studied the "bible". saib seb vajtswv = God los vajtswv
=Ntses Xus?
http://www.liberator.net/articles/AdamsKen/remwomenbible.html
here are some quotes from that link.
The Bible seems to have had it in for women right from the start. It
was man that was created in God’s image, whereas woman was an
afterthought that was manufactured out of spare man parts. The Bible
documents that the first woman in history made a pretty big mess of
things. Eve messed things up for the whole human race by eating of
the forbidden fruit. So, since that time, woman has been blamed for
all sin, imperfection, sickness, and death. As a result of Eve’s
action, all women born on the face of the earth have been cursed to
feel pain during childbirth and be dominated by men.
The Bible has a long and unvarying history of discrimination against
women. Undoubtedly, no other book has done more to prevent gender
equality.
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
kuv kuj tsi tau hnov hmoob muab lwm sub hu li ntawd dua thiab
laiv.....
yaweh
Born2beHmong
tsua yog cov mhoob nyob sab Xeev los xwb thiaj li hus ua
"Nkaumtojqaib...tabsi kuv nhov mas zoo li yog "Nkaumtawsqaib" no
nad..." ntshe yog tseem miv miv es nco tsi meej lawm xwb hod.
py Tsuj, py Kwv thiab py Phawv...
nej ua twb zoo qhia mas lod, peb cov hlua nuav tseem tsi paub meej li
nawb...
yog qhov twg tsi meej no qhia thiab, thiab yog neb paub zaj txi xwmkab
no zoo no, thov pab qhia thiab laud...niam txiv tso tseg tag lawm--tsi
muaj leej twg mus kawm nrog lawm--thiab mus kawm los luag tsi qhia tag
tag rau yus li..Tsuj koj hais tias 3 tug qaib hus nplig no hus li
cas..?
koj sim piav kom meej me me sob, hais txog ntawm cov Ntsua ntawv rau
xwmkab thiab ncejcub ncejtxos, tsi tag li ntawm 3 tug qaib nes koj
hos muab hus plig li cas...los yog koj xua ob tug qaib hus plig ntawd
tibteg hus tej me nplig tsiaj nplig txuv nplig nyiaj nplig kub xwb..
Thanks in advance,
Born..
Nhubkaj aws--tej no, yog yus ua es tsi kam "Laigdab" ces txhob ua li
mas mog os...vim koj tua ib tug Tsiaj Loj li no los "Nojtsiab" los yog
"Noj30" koj yeej yuav tsum tau hus (yog yus niam yus txiv tsi nyob tag
lawm) ces yuav tau Npw yus tau laig lawv mus rau txhua txhua tus
kwvtij ua tau tagsimneej lawm nrog rau tej me dabvaj dabtsev mus nrog
rau xeebteb xeebchaw nawb. yog tsi paub ces txhob txob kiag li
nawb....smiles!
kwv...@aol.com
mas peb ua li no xwb.
1. xwm kab - siv ib tug lau qaib xwb
2. hu plig - siv 2 tug qaib xwb. yeej siv 2 tug no hu ib zaug tag
nrho rau yus tsev neeg mus rau tej plig nyiaj plig kub, plig qoob loo,
thiab tshiaj txhu tib si. tab sis peb cov tsis tu tsiaj txhu thiab ua
liaj teb lawm ces peb tsuas hu yus tsev neeg plig thiab nyiaj kub plig
lawm xwb. hu plig nyiaj kub vim rau qhov ib xyoos ntev ntev diam ces
tej zaum yus ho tau mus ua casino teg puav poob me ntsis nyiaj lawm
ces yuav tau hu kom rov qab khwv tau rov los xwb. ho cov nyob li
phwvyawm lawm cov ua ua teb mas yeej yuav tau hau plig qoob plig loo
tib si ntag ov. ho lawv cov tu tu qaib nram arkansas ces yeej yuav
tau hu plig tsiaj plig txhuv tib si thiab ntag ov.
3. laig dab - cov laus mas lawv xub laig cawv ua ntej mam laig zaub
mov tom qab. tab sis kuv ces laig ua ke kiag xwb. rau qhov thaum yus
hais lus yus twb hais li no ne, "noj ces ntis mob, haus ces ntis
ntsaj" no ces kuj laig kiag ua kev xwb.
hais txog zaj txi xwm kab mas thauv tej laus mas lawv yeej ua lus zuav
hais xwb. tab sis kuv muab xav xav, peb ua yuam kev lawm. yus teem
yus hmoob dab es tseem mus rho luag hwm haiv neeg tej lus coj los
siv. ua li no tsis yog lawm. dab hmoob yuav tsis understand tej niag
lus suav ntawd. tos peb pheej tsis vam meej los vim yog peb pheej ua
li no ces peb tej dab twb tsis paub xyov peb hais dab tsi, puas yog
peb teev dab tiag ces dab thiaj tsis pov peb ne. kuv li niam no kuv
yeej siv lus hmoob nkaus lawm xwb. yus txawj li cas hais li ntawd
xwb. xyab ntawv los ib yam li. txiav tau li cas siv li ntawv xwb.
txiav ntau, hlawv ib chim fire alarm tseem quaj ua rau police tseem
tuaj thiab ces nyuaj siab.
hnu...@gmail.com
thiab...At least, this is the beginning. Please keep more suggestions
coming. Still confused about "nkaum taw/toj qaib" and "lwm sub"
ritual. Puas yog peb ib cov Hmoob ua qhov no hos ib txhia tsis ua no
mas? Raws li cov Hmong New Year tim Meskas no mas yeej ua qhov no
txhua lub lis tsis sub nas tiam sis lawv ua rau thaum sawv ntxov as
part of the "opening ceremony".
Phwvnyawm aw,
Ua cas koj nim yuav txawj x phi ua luaj es tseem hais tias kuv yog
ntxhais nom no thiab laud? Nom no tsuas muaj VP thiab Touby xwb los
sas. Dhau ntawd ces yog nais thaj ham thaj hom mus rau neeg ua laj ua
kam thiab tub lag tub luam xwb los sas. Thaud nyob Looj Ceeb peb
tseem ev taws tuaj muag rau nej thiab tej neeg muaj nyiaj sawvdaws
rauv xwb los sas. Taws nyhav tsis nyhav mas yus ntiv taw nphib tag los
tej niag tsov tom ntawd tseem toj nqi kom luv thiab tiag. Muag ib khib
taws es twb tsis txaus them lub nyuag xum npum kas nauv keo thiab
tshuaj txhuam hniav los siv nav...hais txog tseem chim siab qees ov.
HK
vimhlub
Ua li cas nej twb txawj ev taws thaum tseem tsis tau yug peb lawm es
nej tseem tsis paub txog tej no thiab mas ntshe nej tsis yog Hmoob
tiag pob? Tsis ua li cas. Txawm koj muab niag twm tuag rau peb cab
los peb sim muab cab tiag tiag seb niag twm puas sawv.
Raws li kuv paub mas Hmoob feem ntau yeej lwm sub thiab yuav tsum lwm
sub ua ntej mam li hu plig 30. Tsis tau pom dua cov uas tuaj pov pob
es mam li lwm sub ntawm tshav pob li nawb. Ntxiv ntawd, ib txhia tsis
lwm sub los kuv xav tias lawv tsis xav lwm xwb. Tiag tiag raws li
kevcai quas lub xyoo laus ces yuav tsum lwm sub thiab "plhis kaus".
Thaum ub mas ib txhias Hmoob yeej tsis da dej li vim lawv ntseeg tias
tsam da dej ces muaj mob no. Yog li, ib xyoo ces tsuas da dej ib zaug
xwb. Tej tug ces twb tsis da dej tag nrho lub cev thiab, tsuas muab
me ntsis dej ntxuav muag thiab ntxuav txij duav rov sauv xwb.
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
the old testament and te new testament were made by two very different
type of peoples. i do personally belive that the new testament was
made to "correct" the old book (with twists and turns to connect the
two books)...in other word, to connect jesus and the old book god.
yes, the old book forbid women to do many things, even going to
sabbath during PMS was a "death" sin. the old book was definitely
written to "control" women as one of the main purpose.
what i said about many women converting so that they can "teev" refers
to the new book....the new book is not as harsh on women as the old
book...although there are verses in the new book that forbids women to
be such things as 'pastor' or "preacher"....
yaweh
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
lwm sub came from the legend of siv yig and sub tuam...you might want
to look into it...it is a very long story, and no time to write in
here
yaweh
phwvnyawm
Kuv twb tsis tau-au ntes tub sab......ua cas tub sab pheej tuaj lees
ned......es koj nim yog ntxhais nom los? Saib koj yog leej twg tus
ntxhais xwb tiag?Cov ntxhais nom ces ab yab ntshai tsis tshuav ib tug
kiag uaskuv tsis paub ho.......koj pab nyuag koj nrog-g ua ke thaum
hluas ntawd ces yeej yog ntxhais nom tag tib si los mas.......koj
txhob hais dag ntsuav tias koj tau mus ev-v taws muag nawb........koj
sim qhia ib tug npe saib pab mus ev taws ntawd naj.Cov ntxhais ev-v
ntaws ntawv los kuv yeej paub tus puav thiab od.......dhau qhov ntawd
pab ntxhais nrog hlob Yaj Mis Nus hais xov tooj cua los kuv yeej paub
yuav luag tag thiab od......ha..ha...ha....cov ntxhais nyob nram Vees
Cas tom Nongbone feem ntau los yeej yog ntxhais nom thiab niam txiv
muaj-j nyiaj xwb od.......koj nyob hauv Nongbone los sad?
tsujsu...@hotmail.com
has txog lus suav...zaj txi xim kab ces yeej ua lus suav hais xwb tiag
(from what cov laus said). however, yog peb muab zaj niag xim kab
hais rau suav mloog, los lawd yeej tsi paub. so the question (i still
have this question in my head), puas yog lus suav tiag? los yog yam
lus suav twg? los yog cov ntawd yeej yog lus hmoob, temsis peb tsi siv
cov lus hmoob ntawd lawm xwb....es tej laus xij tias "yog lus suav" no
xwb?
kev cai txi xwm kab ce tej laus yeej "ua lus suav hais" xwb
tiag..temsis kev lis kev cai yeej tsi forbid yus to hais lus "hmoob".
vim tias cov lus suav los yeej yog hais rau qhov zoo...us suav los
yeej hais rau qhov zoo. tsi tag li, twb tsi hais dabtsi li, tsua yog
hais me me txog cov xab ntawv, xov txheej, cawv, thiab qaib coj los
thov koob hmoob ntawm tus xwb kab kom tau nyiaj, tau metub menyuam los
puv tsev, tau qoob loo tshiaj txhu xwb. cov ntsiab ces tag li no
xwb. kuj tsi muaj dabtsi lawm thiab.
yaweh
Born2beHmong
ua tsaug nawb, hais li Kwvtij hais no ces nkagsiab zoo lawm laud.
Thanks to all you,
Born
On Sep 26, 1:47 pm, kwv...@aol.com wrote:
Hmong-Lao
Ntau tus phoojywg twb hais yog lawm. Tabsis yog koj tseem confuse no
cia kuv piav me ntsis ntxiv. Raws li qhov kuv ib txwm paub thiab pom
mas mas zoo li no:
Nkaum Taw/toj Qaib: Nkaum taw qaib yog ib txoj kev lwm sub uas ua dav
dav rau ib zej tsoom neeg nyob nruab zej nruab zog. Txhua txhua leej
tsis hais xeem tsis hais haiv, tsis hais dabqhuas, yeej tuaj lwm ua
kev tau. Muaj tej tse neeg tsis koom nrog sawvdaws vim lawv tsis feel
necessary, los yog lawv twb lwm li lawv qhov kev ntseeg lawm. Nkaum
taw qaib yuav tsum nkaum rau Hnub noj 30. Nkaum taw qaib tag mas mam
los cheb sub hauv vaj hauv tsev thiab mam hu plig. Thaj tsam ib tag
hmo dua uas me nyuam pw ntsiag tag (new year begins) mas mam los txi
xwm kab.
Lwm Sub: Lwm sub mas yog ib lo lus very general. Feem ntau lo lus "lwm
sub" mas yog siv tauj los lwm tus neeg raug riam raug phom, tus uas
los ntshav hlob hlob tsis tu, tus neeg tsaus muag etc....
Similar terms:
Sau Sub (Thib Sub): Sau sub mas thiaj yog li qhov uas phooj ywg
tsujsua tau piav los lawm txog pog sub tuam. Ib txhia Hmoob thiaj li
ua neeb thib sub os ib txhia kuj tsis ua. Qhov no mas ib tse neeg
(ntoj dab kooj qhua) ua txawv lawm ib yam.
Cheb sub: Cheb sub ces siv ib res nplooj khi ib txog khaub hlab liab
los cheb hauv vaj hauv tsev tawm coj mus pov tseg ua ntej hu plig 30.
Cheb sub thaum tus txiv neeb ua neeb es nws kom cheb. Ua neeb sau sub
los yeej muaj cheb sub thiab.
Lwm Qaib: Lo no los yeej yog lwm sub thiab xwb tabsis ho siv qaib (tw
taws or xyab yog tsis muaj qaib tom thawj) rau nkawm nkauj nraug uas
tab tom los sib sau ua niam txiv tshiab tshiab.
HL
hnub...@gmail.com
Thank you for all your input. Greatly appreciated.
HK
noogdlej
Peb yuav tuaj nrug me noj 30 rua Michigan lub week nuav.....yog koj
xaav ntsib kuv ces nrhav tug tsi luj tsi sab, tsi rog tsi yuag tsi loj
tsi me zoo le moob tuaj tim nplog tuaj ces yog kuv lawm.....see you
there.......
noogdlej
On Sep 26, 1:47 pm, kwv...@aol.com wrote:
hnub...@gmail.com
Raws li daim 2008 Lunar Calendar ces hnub Thursday, November 27 thiab
Saturday, December 27 yog "New Moon" no laiv. Yog li ntawd, yog yuav
noj peb caug huav tsev kom yog caij tiag no 2 hnub no puas thwj toob
tas kauv maim Hmoob laws ned?
HK