General Vang Pao's son, Cha Vang arrested by LPDR Group # 45 in Laos
Freedom I
Secret
Paid Agent that, Cha Vang was arrested last week by LPDR's number two
group 45. For your information, LPDR's Group # 45 is the LPDR's Women
Murder Group; same group that murdered Vue, Mai more than 10 years
ago. LPDR Group # 25 is the LPDR's Men Murder Group that murdered
many
of our Hmong People in the past.
The Paid Undentify LPDR Secret Agent reported that Cha was arrested
in
Vientiane last week. Shots were fired during his arrested. Cha was
recently lured to LPDR by one of LPDR Leader Khamtai's son. Cha was
recruited to live and work at Former Hmong General Vang Pao's home
in
Vientiane, the LPDR's Capital. Cha traveled to LPDR without a Visa.
Khamtai's son named, Bon guided Cha to LPDR without a proper visa. At
this time, sure if Cha is dead or alive.
LPDR is working very hard to erradicate all Hmong Pontential Leaders.
October 3, 2009, LPDR murdered Pa Kao Moua and six of his comrades in
the border of Hmong Laos, Thai, and Burma.
Please be warned that more of Hmong Pontential Leaders will be
eradicated.
More Later on Cha's arrested
Hmong Freedom II, LPDR's enemy
Hmoob St. Paul
country without visa? If it is true, then the full circle of curse is
here. One bad thing after another is happening in the GVP's family.
Puas yog cov dab thabham thaum ub uas yawg loj muab tua pov tseg raws
tau yawg loj tsev neeg lawm? Luag hais tias "npam" no puas muaj tiag
nab?
tseebxwb
Khibsiab and Hmong Freedom LPDR's enemy why the hmong people are
so easy for them to get. Do you have any idea why? Maybe money,
position or beautiful girls, please share your smart thinking. Thank
you, see you. P,S open to all comment.
cwjmem
cwjmem
Can you tell us about the LPDR group #45 and #25? Also, can you
reveal many of your Army/merceray ballations that will liberate 9
provinces of northern Laos. I am a veteran. Maybe, I can be your
army consultant with a small fees.
What do LPDR gain by arresting this crony CHA VANG who is looking no
more than a young Lao Lads, fresh fruits, exotic meats (monkey, deer,
snake, dog etc.) to extend his depressed life, low his blood pressure,
and low blood surgar, and importantly contributes his years of SSI
savings into the mainstream Lao economy? If I am LPDR leader, I
would lure many Crony CHA VANG to the land of the poorest nation on
earth for fresh fruits, wild life meats, Young Sao Din etc. to
complete with Thailand for their life savings to help the economy. I
would encourage my country men and women to provide the best services
for these Crony CHA to make sure these CHA come to visit Laos years
after years. If LPDR killed one, they will lose at least $10,000.00
free money to Thailand. The real CHA enjoys PHO in Santa Ana,
California with his father every moning.
On Nov 23, 9:44 am, Freedom I <listhoj1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
xtou55
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Did he commit any crime?
Why the secret service arrest him for?
Enter LPDR w/o visa it should be turn over to America Embassy.
He did not work for any organization or belong to one, he didn't work
for his fater and I think his father kinda give up b/c he is so mad
for the America know.
TX
Friend,
You make the whole world laugh at your face with your make up story.
TX
tseebxwb
TX , please tell us about it, look to me like you know something
about the story. Can you be more specific so we know what you are
talking about. what you wrote tell me that you must know something we
don't know. please respond.
Freedom I
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TX,
LPDR called it, "fabrication". you called it, "make up story". What I
just posted about Cha Vang arrested was not a "fabrication." or you
called it, "make up story". Just last month, I had warned Hmong
People who travel to LPDR this year that something bad is going to
happen, it did. More is coming to the Hmong People. This is just the
beginning. Slowly and Surely, it will happen again and again. It is
not a matter of If, it's a matter of when.
Slowly and Surely: Here are names for us to remember what the LPDR had
did to our Hmong People:
1. Tou By Lyfong
2. Vue, Mai
3. Pa Kao Her,
3. Cha Vang
4. Pa Kao Moua
5. Nhia Kao Vang
6. Nhia Long Moua
7. Vaj, Yej
8. Kou Yang
9. the three Yangs from MN.
10. the countless names.
May god punish those who murdered the above Hmong People. That is the
LPDR.
Xavzoo
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Npawg Freedom I,
Puas muaj tseeb li koj hais ne..? Lam tham pem xwb txhob maj ntaus
nqe.
1. Yog muaj tseeb li koj hais tiag Tsav tsev neeg yuav tsum report rau
tsoom fwv mekas tim no thiab tim Laos.
2. Nej cov uas nyiam ua kas-n meung yuav tau ceev faj tsam yog lawv
coj tsav mus train rov tuaj txo nej diplomatically.
Peb xav paub seb peb Hmoob puas muaj siab muaj ntsws yog tias ib sij
pom luag ntes yus tej qaib mus hu plig tsis muaj leejtwg hais tau.
X Z
TsisTuagMamHlub
Hmong Freedom II,
Koj txhob xyaum tuaj hais ib co lus dag pej xeem hmoob li koj mas
yawg. Kuv nyuam qhuav nrog Cha Vang tham hnub Sunday 11/22/2009 nas.
Cha nyob Cha tim Thaib Teb nas. He will be coming home on Friday
11/27. Don't try to be so jerk in here boy....
Tsis Tuag Mam Hlub
TX
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Friend,
Xavzoo & Tsis Muaj Tus Hlub had already answered in my place. How
important Cha Vang is? Who knows him.
He has been just a jerk like others only.
TX
vaajmoob
taag lawm ces tsi moog le thaum peb vaag hov, ncu ntsoov has tas yog
mej cov hluag ncauj ntaux es peb qhov operation paaj pob kws xam tsi
moog le peb lub sab xaav,
vmged
On Nov 23, 5:30 pm, TsisTuagMamHlub <TsisTuagMamH...@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
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nyujquslaug
Why would you all be fooled by a joker like Freedom II? He should
collect money from all of you to release Cha and put a lot of money in
his pocket. This joker has no ball just a big mouth...
chia
Freedom I,
Koj cov lus dag tsis muaj kuab, Paj Kao Her thiab Kou Yang raug tua
tuag no tsis yog Nplog, yog cov Hmoob nyiam ua kas moos nyob Mekas no
xav nyiaj mus ntiav cov nyob tim Thaib tua nkawd xwb. Peb yeej paub
tias yog pab twg thiab tus twg yog cov koom siab tua nkawd, tab sis
peb ua tsis tau tebchaws es cia twb ywm xwb. Ho niag Nyiaj Long Moua
mas nws yog mob tuag xwb.
dekfangkhong
Thov kom tsi txhob yog lus tseeb. Qhov initiative kom Ch rov mus nyob
yawg loj lub tsev tim Veescam ua haujlwm ntawd twb hais los mus ntev
txij thaum yawg Chommaly tuaj mus ntsib huabtais Thaib lawm. Qhov
initiative no thiab qhov project Hmoob thojnam yuav txav mus nyob xeev
Chiang Rai yog tib lub hom phiaj. Puav leej involved cov nom nplog
qib siab nyob rau hauv. Hmoob 18 xeem los yuav tau ceevfaj tibyam.
Yog muaj tseeb, ces qhov trick no yog tib tus trick uas lawv siv rau
Yaj Vas. Lawv tuaj tos mus tham nyob tom ciam teb xws li Nong Kha,
Nakhon Phanom los yog ib thaj chaw. Thaum tsaus ntuj ces lawv mam siv
lub txias txias yuam hla dej lawm xwb.
Ceevfaj nawb suavdaws na. Kawg cov neeg khib nyiab li kuv tus no xwb
tseem raug nplogliab tos tua 3 zaug nyob rau Thaib teb. And last two
week, kuv tseem tau txais ib daim invitation kom mus koom Nplogliab ib
lub rooj sablaj. Nim no tsi hais nplogliab los nplog dawb, kuv tsuas
ntseeg 1% lawm xwb nawb.
Moobsib
Luas has tas thaus yug tsi muaj leverage lawd es tseem raug yug cov
oppenents caw hab thaj ces yog yuav maag yej xwb los mas.
Kuv xaav tas nam Freedum I hov laam tso paus suv dlev sab xwb os...
MS
txawjxoom
> txiv tsistuag es, koj sob has lug ntaux ib plag ces peb cov phias puag
> taag lawm ces tsi moog le thaum peb vaag hov, ncu ntsoov has tas yog
> mej cov hluag ncauj ntaux es peb qhov operation paaj pob kws xam tsi
> moog le peb lub sab xaav,
> vmged
yawg vaajmoob koj has le puas yog cha vang tsi mloog koj yawg pov lug
es mej muab yawg xaa moog pauj dlaab tim nplog maj. Noog koj has mas
zoo le yog mej tug phiam coj yawg moog cuag puj cuag yawg ntaag laiv
yuam.
Moob tej laug tas yug yuav coj kwv coj tij coj lub teb lub chaw mas
yuav coj kuam tau yug tej metub menyuam ua ntej nuav ntshaw yog koj
yawg pov ua tsi tau Moob tug coj lawm tag pob, nwg txhaj coj tsi tau
nwg tej metub menyuam. Nyob Manitowoc koj yawg pov muaj ib tug tub kws
yuav quas puj moob kwm mas tub tsi leeg paub koj yawg pov le as hab
tub tsi nyam koj yawg pov tug kaas moos ib qhov le.
kwvtijhmoob
> yawg vaajmoob koj has le puas yog cha vang tsi mloog koj yawg pov lug
> es mej muab yawg xaa moog pauj dlaab tim nplog maj. Noog koj has mas
> zoo le yog mej tug phiam coj yawg moog cuag puj cuag yawg ntaag laiv
> yuam.
cov yawg-- nej tham txog tsab vaj, general vp tus tub no. hais txog
qhov nplog txhom nws mas kuv tsis paub, tab sis hais txog nws tus
kheej mas kuv kuj paub nws zoo tseem tsawv thiab los mas. tus yawg
tsab no mas yog ib tug neeg muaj teeb meem kawg li nawb. example, 2-3
qhov li nram no.
1. thaum ub nws ua hauj lwm nyob rau st. paul city los kuj muaj teeb
meem kawg li
2. tej nyiaj txiag nyob rau vang pao lub foundation los kuj meej teeb
meem vim yog tsab xwb ntag
3. xyoo tag los no, tsab lawm formed tau ib pab businesmen yuav mus
khawb kub nyob rau tim africa no, tab sis txog qhov kawg tsab muab
lawv cov nyiaj noj tag xwb ces thiaj ci li tsum lawm.
4. 4-5 xyoos tag los tsab txais nyiaj mus ua ib lub tsev laus zov/tu
cov neeg laus, tab sis tsis them nyiaj rau cov tswv thiab rau bank
li. cov tswv thiab bank tseem niaj hnub nrhiav tsab.
cov no yog me ntsis examples xwb. qhov tseeb raws li kuv paub mas
tsab yog 1 tug neeg twv txiaj loj heev. twv football, twv golf, thiab
lwm yam sports. nws twv txog 40-50 mus txog 100 txhiab nyiaj xwb nawb
tus tsab no. yog yuav hais ces tus tsab no yog ib tug neeg tsis tsim
txiaj kiag li no ov.
hais txog qhov rumor nplog txhom tsab no, kuv los kuj tsis paub tias
xyov puas muaj tseeb thiab. tab sis yog ho muaj tseeb tiag los kuv
xav tias nyaj yuav tsis yog nyob nyob es nplog lam ci li txhom. kuv
ntseeg hais tias yeej yog nws tsim muaj teeb meem los yog muaj kev
txhaum cai lawm luag thiaj txhom nws. yog li ua li hmoob hais, nyuj
ua nyuj thauj, nees ua nees ris. hais li no xwb ces nej to taub lawm
los mas.
qhov no tsis yog kuv ntxub ntxaug es lam hais, tab sis yeej muaj tseeb
nawb. yog nej tsis ntseeg los kuj nug xwb.
Hmoob St. Paul
ces nej kuj hu kiag mus nrog Tsav txiv tham! Pheej tuaj sib cav hauv
no tias muaj tiag.. ho tsis muaj... ua dabtsi ma! Luag nyob muaj niam
muaj txiv na....yog muaj li cas los luag niam luag txiv yeej yuav tsum
paub xwb. Nej cov haib haib sim hu kiag mus nrog GPV tham kom paub
qhov tseeb kiag soj.
dony
Freedom II,
Koj mas tseem tseem Freedom tiag lau vim xav hais dab tsi los tau tag
nrho...Kuv saib peb tuaj nyob teb chaws vam meej thiab txawj ntse lawm
peb yuav hais dab tsi thiab yuav ntseeg dab tsi los yuav tau ua zoo
xav tso. Nco ntsoov hais tias tseeb ua tsis tau cuav thiab cuav ua
tsis tau tseeb..Thaum kuv nyuam qhuav los zwm ua tswv cuah SCH mas kuv
ntseeg sawvdaws tej lus txog 80 percent hais hauv no tab sis tam sis
no kuv ntseeg 30 percent lawm xw... Tab sis kuv enjoy sawvdaws tej kev
sib tham sau sau ntawv hauv vim nws yog ib qho ua rau hnub luv..Dony
yawgnomdub
> cov yawg-- nej tham txog tsab vaj, general vp tus tub no. hais txog
> qhov nplog txhom nws mas kuv tsis paub, tab sis hais txog nws tus
> kheej mas kuv kuj paub nws zoo tseem tsawv thiab los mas. tus yawg
> tsab no mas yog ib tug neeg muaj teeb meem kawg li nawb. example, 2-3
> qhov li nram no.
> 1. thaum ub nws ua hauj lwm nyob rau st. paul city los kuj muaj teeb
> meem kawg li
> 2. tej nyiaj txiag nyob rau vang pao lub foundation los kuj meej teeb
> meem vim yog tsab xwb ntag
> 3. xyoo tag los no, tsab lawm formed tau ib pab businesmen yuav mus
> khawb kub nyob rau tim africa no, tab sis txog qhov kawg tsab muab
> lawv cov nyiaj noj tag xwb ces thiaj ci li tsum lawm.
> 4. 4-5 xyoos tag los tsab txais nyiaj mus ua ib lub tsev laus zov/tu
> cov neeg laus, tab sis tsis them nyiaj rau cov tswv thiab rau bank
> li. cov tswv thiab bank tseem niaj hnub nrhiav tsab.
Haub yaub yog muaj tseeb thiab khuj hmoob tas npaum li koj hais cais
yog nws mag hlob lawm los kuj nqa tes ua ntuj tsaug xwb, yog tsi muaj
tseeb mas tseem yuav fiv yeem twm kom mag thiab hos. Peb hmoob cais
tos tsi vam meej los tab cia cov zoo li no kaus tas mus li xwb nej.
vaajmoob
Posted on Sun, Jul. 03, 2005
R E L A T E D C O N T E N T
Cha Vang
R E L A T E D L I N K S
• The war that changed St .Paul
Hmong leader's trail of intrigue BY RICK LINSK and TODD NELSON
Pioneer Press Cha Vang's résumé was a little light when he came to St.
Paul in 1998. But what credentials he had — son of Vang Pao, the Hmong
people's greatest war hero — went a long way.His profile quickly grew:
first as an aide to St. Paul's mayor, then in a high-ranking job at
the city's chamber of commerce, and, eventually, as the public face of
a nonprofit organization named for his father, launching initiatives
on behalf of the local Hmong community.But the action has rarely lived
up to the vision. Two ventures quietly fizzled. The nonprofit is part
of a lawsuit by the Minnesota attorney general's office, accusing it
of violating charity laws and squandering more than $500,000. And a
then-St. Paul police officer last year accused Cha Vang of influence
peddling at City Hall, a charge he denies.Some who know him describe
Cha Vang as bright and hardworking but sometimes unable to fully
execute his ideas. Documents obtained by the Pioneer Press and
interviewes paint another picture, showing a trail of intrigue, broken
promises and disappointments here and in California.Whichever is more
accurate, this much is clear: Cha Vang has gone from his father's heir
apparent and confidante of St. Paul politicians to a man receding from
the limelight. His problems have paralleled — and, some say, hastened
— the dissatisfaction with his father's leadership, and divided the
Hmong community.Neither Cha Vang nor his lawyer responded to numerous
interview requests.At one time, these matters might have been of
little interest beyond Hmong enclaves in Minnesota, Wisconsin and
California. However, Hmong affairs are increasingly spilling over into
the mainstream, especially in the Twin Cities. Among the most recent
examples:• An FBI investigation into plans for a new, city-subsidized
Hmong funeral home. A former close aide to St. Paul Mayor Randy Kelly
has been accused of soliciting a bribe from a developer interested in
the project;• Two investigations by the state attorney general into
Hmong community organizations, the Vang Pao Foundation this year and
Lao Family Community of Minnesota last year;• A spate of violent
incidents that erupted in late 2003 and early 2004, including the
burning of Cha Vang's home and an unruly protest outside the office of
U.S. Rep. Betty McCollum.Some blame Cha Vang for at least some of the
strife, saying he has simultaneously tried to consolidate political
power and use his connections for financial gain. They say his attempt
to seize control of the funeral home project is but the latest
example.Cha Vang's father, Vang Pao, is arguably the most widely
revered Hmong leader. Now 75, he led a secret CIA-backed army in Laos
during the Vietnam War. Likened by some to royalty, Vang Pao
frequently visits the Twin Cities and has a hand in virtually all
important matters in the Hmong community. Some, however, say he is a
charlatan who has exploited the hope some Hmong have of returning to
Laos."General Vang Pao and Cha … we believe they are heading in the
wrong direction," said Seng Xiong, whose meetings in St. Paul, Fresno,
Calif., and Sacramento, Calif., have drawn hundreds of former Vang Pao
loyalists-turned-dissidents. Cha Vang, he said, "put economic
interests before political interests. As a leader, you have to fight
for your people's interests."Xang Vang, a close associate of Vang Pao,
and others say that Cha Vang has managerial shortcomings, but he's not
dishonest."One man doing everything, like Cha, he goofed," Xang Vang
said. "When you are alone and you're trying to do everything by
yourself and don't let other people help you out, the job is just a
mess."Betti M. Sands, who directed the United Way chapter in Fresno
and is an admirer of Vang Pao, calls Cha Vang a "visionary" whose
dreams sometimes exceeded his reach."His follow-up was never very
good. He never implemented well," Sands said.MANAGING IN FRESNOCha
Vang, 40, arrived in the United States in the mid-1970s after Laos
fell to communist forces. After the war, the family was relocated to
Montana.Cha Vang majored in accounting at the University of Montana in
the fall of 1984, according to his resume and the university. After
moving in 1986 to Southern California, he continued those studies at a
junior college. In 1987, Cha Vang "made a very tough decision to
forego my degree in order to support my father with his lifelong duty
of leading the Hmong people," according to a copy of his resume on
file in St. Paul City Hall.Cha Vang also held three jobs in the
mortgage banking industry, according to the resume. In 1994, he became
a "special assistant/strategist" for his father.About that time, Cha
Vang relocated to Fresno, which has a sizable Hmong population.
Teaming with a local physician, he helped start a medical clinic
focused on Hmong patients. In February 1995, a nurse practitioner
named Joanne Berry agreed to run the clinic.Cha Vang was to provide
the capital, equipment and employees through a management company he
created called United Management. Berry would operate the business,
known as Mountain Family Health Care Center. But the partnership
quickly soured. When Berry tried to part ways with Cha Vang, the pair
wound up in court.In court papers, Cha Vang accused Berry of trying to
make off with the assets of the business. But Berry's lawyer said Cha
Vang had pocketed $35,000 from her bank account, in part by writing
checks to himself without documenting the purpose.Berry's lawyer also
questioned whether Cha Vang had made payroll and Social Security tax
payments. California state agencies filed several liens against him
and United Management over several thousand dollars in unpaid taxes
between 1994 and 1998. The documents do not specify the nature of the
taxes owed.Berry wasn't the only one aggrieved over the clinic.Rick
Wade, owner of a successful diving business in Valdez, Alaska — site
of the Exxon Valdez oil spill in 1989 — told the Pioneer Press that he
lent Cha Vang tens of thousands of dollars to get the business started
and was never repaid.In the 1990s, Wade said, he sank his personal
fortune into covert operations that carried food, medicine and
supplies to Hmong resistance fighters in the jungles of Laos. He said
he didn't mind spending more than $1 million on that cause. But Wade
said he considered Cha Vang a free spender and was cautious when the
young entrepreneur asked for the clinic loan. This time, Wade said, he
insisted on being repaid.Wade said he and his daughter, Rhonda, loaned
Cha Vang $60,000 in 1993 and directly spent another $20,000 to $30,000
to obtain equipment. Cha Vang only repaid a small portion of the loan,
Wade said. He provided the Pioneer Press with several letters from Cha
Vang to Rhonda Wade promising repayment."There were all kinds of
promises made," Rick Wade said.In May 1996, while heading the Hmong-
American Chamber of Commerce in Fresno, Cha Vang's name came up in
what some called misleading promotions of a veterans' recognition
event. The Fresno-based Lao Veterans of America Inc. advertised that
retired Army Gens. Colin Powell and William Westmoreland and retired
Air Force Brig. Gen. Harry Aderholt would be keynote speakers.
Aderholt and Powell told the Fresno Bee newspaper that they had never
been invited. In a letter to Lao Veterans, Aderholt said the speakers
list appeared to be "a scam for collecting money from the Lao and
Hmong people" in the United States.Cha Vang, who helped Lao Veterans
line up speakers, told the newspaper that the group was "over-anxious"
and never purposely misled anyone about the event."It was an honest
mistake," he said.Toulu Thao, a Fresno housing administrator and
community activist, said Cha Vang rose to prominence because he was
Vang Pao's son, but Cha Vang ultimately lacked the ability to finish
off projects.Sands, the former Fresno United Way director, said Cha
Vang's failures stemmed from a lack of support."I think what I saw was
a gentleman who had good vision, really knew some things needed to
happen, could eloquently talk about them, but a gentleman who did not
have the support to make it happen," Sands said.BIG PLANS IN ST.
PAULIn 1998, Cha Vang moved to the Twin Cities. Observers say Vang Pao
wanted a surrogate presence in what was rapidly becoming the Hmong
capital of the United States.Vang Pao and Norm Coleman, then St.
Paul's mayor and now a U.S. senator, were already "old friends" when
Cha Vang arrived, as a community newspaper put it. Vang Pao had been
among Coleman's staunchest political supporters since the early
1990s.In April 1998, the mayor, in a joint appearance with Vang Pao,
announced that Cha Vang would help fight juvenile delinquency as head
of the Center for Hmong Adolescent Development. Two months later,
Coleman presented Cha Vang with a proclamation recognizing him for
community service. The agency's current executive director says Cha
Vang deserves credit for launching the initiative.Coleman also
appointed Cha Vang to city advisory panels overseeing riverfront
development and the 2000 Census count. Then, on March 1, 1999, Cha
Vang joined the mayor's office as a $43,000-a-year liaison to St.
Paul's Asian-American residents.At City Hall, Cha Vang emerged as a
frequently quoted Hmong leader. Susan Kimberly, deputy mayor at the
time, said Cha Vang was well-connected and relayed helpful information
between the city's Asian communities and Coleman's office.Eric Mische,
Coleman's chief of staff in St. Paul and now in the U.S. Senate,
agreed."Cha worked hard and he accomplished the general mission we
asked him to accomplish," Mische said.Cha Vang's role at City Hall
also gave him added clout, both with Hmong clan leaders and with his
father.In October 1999, he announced that Hmong consumers and local
businesses would partner in a program called "Hmong Union." They would
pay $50 in dues and get deep discounts at participating businesses.
Several automobile-related businesses signed on. The St. Paul Area
Chamber of Commerce lauded the idea.Cha Vang predicted the program
would attract thousands of members. About 200 to 250 people already
had signed up, he said.It's not clear what happened to the program, or
the $10,000 to $15,000 in dues those early members would have paid.
Sherry Carlson, who runs the All Star Auto of Minnesota salvage yard
in Lakeland, said the program brought her a "huge" influx of Hmong
customers at first, but lessened over time.But Cha Vang kept moving
forward. In March 2000, after 13 months in the mayor's office, he left
to join the chamber. By the fall he was the organization's economic
development director. Chamber officials declined to disclose his
salary.Larry Dowell, the chamber's president, said Cha Vang's
responsibilities included minority business development and retention.
Dowell described him as a "valued employee" and well-liked.FOUNDATION
FOR GROWTH?A.t the chamber, Cha Vang was still heavily involved in
community affairs. And one of his ventures is coming under close
scrutiny these days.The nonprofit Vang Pao Foundation, incorporated
just before Cha Vang's move from City Hall to the chamber, promised to
forge links between the Hmong and other cultures, promote education,
and develop the next generation of Hmong leaders. Vang Pao told
reporters that Cha and another son, Chao, would run the
foundation.Wells Fargo & Co. signed on for the group's first venture,
announcing it would contribute $60,000 to a small-business loan
program for Hmong entrepreneurs. The foundation would raise $2.5
million to $3 million from Hmong leaders and businesses to sustain the
fund, Cha Vang said at the time.Four years later, it's hard to
pinpoint what the organization accomplished.The University of St.
Thomas held about 10 weekly classes for some 30 Hmong businesspeople
at the request of Cha Vang and Wells Fargo, said Michael Ryan,
director of the university's Small Business Development Center.But no
loan program ever materialized. Lia Vang, a cousin to Cha Vang and now
the Vang Pao Foundation's executive director, says no money was raised
for the program. Wells Fargo officials say their $60,000 payment was
actually part of a sponsorship deal that emblazoned the bank's name on
signs and podiums at high-profile Hmong community events.That deal,
and other questions about the foundation, prompted Minnesota Attorney
General Mike Hatch's office to accuse the Vang Pao Foundation of
violating state charity laws. In an April lawsuit, the attorney
general questioned the handling of more than $500,000 by those
involved with the organization, including Cha Vang.Hatch's office is
still investigating Cha Vang's spending, including the role of his
then-employer, the St. Paul Area Chamber of Commerce. The chamber
funded two visits by Cha Vang to Thailand to help a Twin Cities power-
generating company make acquisitions there.Chamber officials say Cha
Vang never accounted for the trip expenses. Documents obtained by
Hatch's office show expenses such as $1,700 to Gems Gallery
International, a Thailand business described on its Web site as a
"paradise for jade admirers."FUNERAL HOME PLANSThe Vang Pao Foundation
also is at the center of the controversial funeral home project.The
foundation was to use a city subsidy to help buy and operate the
facility, which opened recently on St. Paul's West Side Flats. City
Hall officials expected the project to involve a number of Hmong
community organizations. But, city documents say, Vang Pao and Cha
Vang told the other organizations that the Vang Pao Foundation was
assuming control of the potentially lucrative project.In an e-mail,
one city official rued Cha Vang's emerging role."To date I have not
seen Cha deliver on any project — anything except problems," said
Martha Fuller, the city's director of planning and economic
development at the time.Earlier this year, the project was implicated
in the FBI investigation of City Hall shakedown allegations.The FBI is
investigating an accusation that Sia Lo, one of Mayor Randy Kelly's
senior policy advisers, demanded that funeral home builder J. Kou Vang
hire his sister, lawyer Song Lo Fawcett, as an attorney or consultant
in exchange for favorable treatment from the mayor's office, people
with knowledge of the allegation have told the Pioneer Press.Sia Lo
resigned April 29 but maintained his innocence, saying Kelly did not
give him a chance to confront his accuser.TURBULENT YEARSIn 2003, Vang
Pao delivered what came to be known as his "peace doctrine" speech,
announcing conditional support for normalized trade relations with
Laos. The policy switch stunned many Hmong, who for decades had
supported the former general's efforts to overthrow the communist
regime.Opponents blamed Cha Vang and questioned his motives. Some
noted that he had been working since 2002 for Frank Jao, a California
businessman with Vietnamese roots. Contacts with Vietnam are
controversial within some Hmong circles because of age-old political
tensions.But Cha Vang countered that the peace doctrine came about
after he and his father met privately with Vietnamese officials in the
Netherlands.Within days of Vang Pao's policy reversal, a rash of
violent incidents broke out and resumed in April 2004, including an
arson fire that destroyed the Maplewood home where Cha Vang, his wife
and their three daughters lived. The fire is still under
investigation.Cha Vang also was the subject of allegations involving
two other violent incidents. Former St. Paul police officer Tou Cha,
arrested for letting his gun be used in two drive-by shootings
involving Hmong targets, said Cha Vang was the person who returned his
gun after the shootings. He also contended that Cha Vang had solicited
$10,000 to $20,000 from him in order to bribe someone in City Hall and
enable the reopening of a nightclub owned by Tou Cha's wife.Cha Vang
said he would "take this to the higher level people and they can …
make this easier so you can get your club open again," Tou Cha
said.Cha Vang at the time called the allegations "phony baloney."Tou
Cha told the Pioneer Press recently that no FBI or other investigators
had contacted him about his accusations.REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERWorking
in real estate for Frank Jao's Bridgecreek Group, Cha Vang lately has
maintained a lower profile.Jao is a successful developer best known
for the Vietnamese enclave known as Little Saigon in Westminster,
Calif., the city where Vang Pao lives. He was born in Vietnam but is
of ethnic Chinese origin, and fled the war-torn country in 1975. Cha
Vang told the Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Journal that he and Jao
met during a trade mission to China in 2001, while Cha Vang was
working for the chamber.With Cha Vang as its Minnesota point man,
Bridgecreek took on two ambitious projects in 2003: a 160-unit senior-
housing project, part of Mayor Randy Kelly's Housing 5000 plan, built
partly atop a former dumpsite on Hudson Road; and a residential
conversion of the Minnesota Building at Fourth and Cedar streets in
St. Paul.The seniors project, which is currently under construction,
received $2 million in city tax-increment financing. Sherry Pemberton,
a manager for the city's Planning and Economic Development Department,
said Cha Vang attended some initial meetings about the project.One
businessman who worked on the project claims that Cha Vang took
advantage of him.Jim Bahl, owner of Bahl Movers of Andover, said he
was hired by Cha Vang in June 2003 to haul four houses farther down
Hudson Road to make way for the new complex.Bahl said that after he
moved the structures to a temporary location, Cha Vang stopped
returning his calls. The houses sat there for more than a year, tying
up his equipment, he said. Bahl's lawyer filed a mechanic's lien in
Ramsey County against Bridgecreek in February, claiming the mover must
be paid $103,000 before any other transactions can take place on the
property.Bahl testified last month in a deposition to the attorney
general's office, which wanted to know more about the deal, including
the way the mover was paid. Bahl said he was paid $16,000 in two
cashier's checks from a Hmong couple, who he said hoped to buy one of
the four houses from Bridgecreek.Meanwhile, Bridgecreek's other St.
Paul project, the Minnesota Building, is largely vacant, and the
residential conversion appears stalled. Cha Vang is the registered
agent for Bolsa Magnolia, a Bridgecreek company that bought the
building for $5.25 million. Tenants say he also manages the
building.Three tenants said the building has been poorly maintained,
citing conditions such as only one working elevator out of
four.Whitney Clark, executive director of the nonprofit Friends of the
Mississippi River, said problems with the building have affected his
organization's advocacy mission."We've had to spend significantly more
time than probably most (office tenants) do," Clark said. "We're
dealing with an unreliable business that's managing the
building."GOING FORWARDGiven the issues facing him these days —
including the attorney general's lawsuit and the FBI funeral home
investigation — some wonder whether Cha Vang is suited to inherit his
father's mantle as a national Hmong leader."If you want to really look
deeply into leadership, you can (build) things around you, build (a)
foundation," said Toulu Thao, the Fresno activist. "I don't think he
has done that. He's just taken advantage of his natural position. He
doesn't necessarily work with people."Pobzeb Vang, executive director
of the Lao Human Rights Council in Eau Claire, Wis., and a Vang Pao
loyalist, said anyone who aspires to serve the Hmong in a leadership
role must be "clean." He stressed that he was not speaking
specifically about Cha Vang."Business should be separate from the
Hmong community," Pobzeb Vang said. "Personal interest, personal gain
— anyone's — must be separate from public service … Anyone who mixes
the two will be in trouble."Rick Linsk can be reached at
rli...@pioneerpress.com or 651-228-5371.
tseemyeej
Mej paab txivtub mas los sij muaj peevxwm tag-g le lawm nawb. Tej nuav
ces yog qhov moob naj nub has tas; "Laam has kuas luag laam ntseeg"
ces yog tej nuav tag. Peb cov nam tuab neeg ruag nuav mas ntshaw-aw
los ntshaw tsis tau le tag, xaam-m los xaam tsis pum tej kev khwv noj
khwv haus qeb sab-b le hov le ne.
Ab yaj laam khaws nyaj xees lab xwb lauj!
TseemYeej.
vaajmoob
drop-out le txiv cha xwb ces kawg yuav ua le nuav es xam tau noj tau
haug xwb le es, yug tsi dlaag los lub plaab xwb yuav noj ces taag tswv
yim lawm nev,
vmged
cwjmem
Koj has yog lawm laud. Koj nam puj pov tes yaam le kuv pum ob peb zag
nyob rua huv tsev Kas sib naum nrag Santa Ana tag!
dony
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Aub Yaub yawm Vaajmoob nej cov lycee thiab Dongdok mas txawj hais neeg
plig kawg. Kuv xav mas ntshai yog nej tuaj txog teb chaws no nyuaj
siab dhau hwv lawm ho. Dony
vaajmoob
has tau yug, thaum luag has yug lawm ces ho has tas yog luag has yug
plig, qhov tseb ces tug yog lu nkaug yug hau plaj es mobx xwb,tuag los
tuag tsi tau nyob los luag ho hasx yug, has txug peb qhabnab dongdok
haab lycee ces koj yuav has le caag los tau vim has tas taam sim nua
peb yog cov huamnab taag lawm ces tsi ua le caag,
vmged
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Thorn...@yahoo.com
es hua tsis muaj tug confirm le, aj has tas freedom kuj has muaj lawm
hab ov, yog tas muaj tag tes ntshai yog le mej ib cov has lawm lauj,
muab tej nyuj twm coob tug txuj sa moog txhuv tau vp tawm huv qhov
taub lawm tes zaag nuav puab hua yuav yuav nwg ib teev me ntshaav moog
pauj, xyoob nyuab sab, luag tub tas txiv tsis taug los tub yuav tsum
taug nua niv, nig nuav yog txiv aub tsis taug lub vuj hlua lawm los ca
rua tub aub los tau.
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phwvnyawm
Hnub no mas Tsav yuav tsum rov los txog tsev.Yog li koj kuv nug kiag
rau koj tus kwv tij hmoob Vaj tus coj saib yawg puas tau los txog xwb
los mas?Tej no nyaj yuav tsis yog lus tseeb.
nres
txawj pom hmoob qhov zoo li os.
Yus tus hmoob phem 1, zoo 10 000 los yus yeej tsij lias 1 xwb , yeej
tsis pom qhov zoo 10 000 ntawd li.
Tus mab tus suav mas , lawv txawj txajw npog lawv kwj tse....lawv tus
txawm phem 10 000, zoo 1 xwb los lawv noj hnia qee...qhuav xab qhua
xu...ces tsis muaj leej twg yuav muaj peev xwm taw ncauj taw tes rau
lawv li nas...
Peb hmoob tus cwj pwm yeej rhuav yus tus hmoob, yeej qhua mab qhuav
suav xwb mas...
too sad rau yus cov niag hmoob
txawjxoom
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Is cha vang coming home yet or truely got arrested by lpdr? If he is
not coming on 11/27 than it is truly lpdr have a place for him in
lao,
why?
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Cov Phooj Ywg,
Cha just came back on 11/26/2009 and is in Fresno with his father. Ua
cas nej yuav mus xyaum hais tej yam lus tsis muaj tseeb. YUav tau hais
tej yam muaj tseeb es sawvdaws thiaj yuav mus tau deb os cov kwv tij.
Nplog nyaj yuav sis ruam npaum li sawvdaws xav. Cov teeb meem Hmoob/
Moob pheej muaj-x xov xwm tsis zoo yog vim Hmoob/Moob yog cov ua ntswm
sim rau Hmoob/Moob ntau dua.
MS32
Thorn...@yahoo.com
qhov teeb meem zoo tshaaj le peb txhua tug, zoo kawg yog tas nwg tseem
rov lug txug vaaj txug tsev lawm, thov kuas muaj tseeb le koj tau has
tem sis qhov tseeb hab cuav peb tseem tsis tau paub meej until nov lug
ntawm tej tug credible individual unbias los sis unrelated rua Cha
family, Mr. Moua Choj kuv tuaj twm puab cov hluas ib cov lug has txug
tug Cha vp nuav rua huv nuav mas zoo le nwg tug xeeb ceem loj sis
dirty, since Cha kuj los yog ncau ib tug caag lug ntawm koj lug hab
koj yuav tsum paub nwg qhov secret zoo heev yog le koj puas kaam
confirm seb tej lug nuav puas muaj tseeb, "tus yawg tsab no mas yog ib
tug neeg muaj teeb meem kawg li nawb. example, 2-3 qhov li nram no.
1. thaum ub nws ua hauj lwm nyob rau st. paul city los kuj muaj teeb
meem kawg li 2. tej nyiaj txiag nyob rau vang pao lub foundation los
kuj meej teeb meem vim yog tsab xwb ntag 3. xyoo tag los no, tsab
lawm formed tau ib pab businesmen yuav mus khawb kub nyob rau tim
africa no, tab sis txog qhov kawg tsab muab lawv cov nyiaj noj tag xwb
ces thiaj ci li tsum lawm. 4. 4-5 xyoos tag los tsab txais nyiaj mus
ua ib lub tsev laus zov/tu cov neeg laus, tab sis tsis them nyiaj rau
cov tswv thiab rau bank li. cov tswv thiab bank tseem niaj hnub
loj sis lim ham hab ua tub sab nyaag noj nyaag haus luj heev, nwg kuj
los yog ib tug Moob mofia luj heev nyob rua Moob tam neeg nig nuav,
ntshai ua le b2h nqaaj lug tas "cov txiv yeej poob tsis dleb ntawm
tsob txiv" los sis "father like son" nuav xwb lauv.
cwjmem
nev. Yawm Tsaav tag tes tsuas yog moog nraag Phuket moog noj roob ris
thaib xwb. Nwg noj txaus tes nwg yeemyuav rov lug
MS32
Tsav (Cha) yeej yog kuv tus nephew li koj (thornsp...@yahoo.com) hais
tiag. Tab sis thaum lawv ua politics los yog business, Cha yeej tsis
paub tias kuv yog nws tus dab laug 100%, yeej tsis qhia kuv ib qho dab
tsi li. Thaum nws tau txais teeb meem es nws cov phooj ywg tsis kam
paub nws lawd, thaum ntawd nws mam nco txog peb cov ua dab laug.
Zoo li no, kuv thiaj tsis paub nws cov teeb meem uas koj tau teev los
saum no zoo thiab tsis xav paub lawv tej niag hauj lwm uas twb ua rau
kuv txiv, kuv tus kwv nrog pej xeem Hmoob thiab lwm cov neeg raug puas
ntsoog lawm tau heev. Only pure family issues concern me (Kev neej kev
tsav) . The rest is their businesses. So, I am not aware of what they
have done and intend to do in the future.
MS32
dony
MS32,
Puas yog thaum zoo ces lees thaum tsis zoo ces tsis paub ma? MS72
MS32
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dony,
I don't understand what you meanby saying "thaum zoo ces lees thaum
tsis zoo ces tsis paub". In fact, I am a family oriented man and am
out of their socio-political activities. My utmost ideal is for the
people and by the people.
MS32
yawgnomdub
Kuv qhuas koj kawg, koj yeej hais tseeb hauv koj lub siab tuaj tiag.
Kuv tau twm koj ntau daim lus sib tham nrog Vaj Xab txog koj txiv
thiab koj tus kwv Npoosmis mas koj yeej hais hnyav kawg lawm. Yog yuav
hais txog sab nqaij tawm kev ua neej mas yeej tsim nyog chim vim yog
tim lawv pab dynasty ntawm koj tsev neeg thiab peb hmoob cov dawb huv
tau raug kev piamsij ntau. Tiamsis kawg ho txheeb ze thiab cais qhov
ntawm kuj yuav cia li tsi lees paub tsi tau.
phwvnyawm
Kuv yog lawm koj tub nawb, qhov Dony hais koj no ces yog txhais hais
tias luag tej hlob twb hlub-b nej cov ua dab laug kawg lawm......tsam
no luag hlub tsis tau ces ho rov taws tuam ntuj no los mas.Tab sis kuv
yeej pom koj yeej hais qhov tseeb lawm thiab. Ua li yawg nom dub hais
kev txheeb ze peb muab khuam rau tom tsev yuav tau hais kev ncaj
ncees.Koj tus kwv Npoosmis mas kuv khuv xim yawg kawg kiag yog kuv ib
tug phooj ywg zoo thaum tuaj txog Meskas teb no naj.Wb yeej tau mus
noj fawm ua ke ntau zaus lawm nawb.Kuv pheej tseem xav tias yawg tseem
muaj txoj sia nyob.......thaum xyoo 2005 kuv mus txog nplog teb peb
caij tsheb mus txog ze rau Kas Xim......tus yawg thauj peb ntawd thiaj
hais tias lawv tua Nai phoo Npoosmis ces nyob thaj tsam no ......yawg
hmoob Nplog ntawd thiaj taws tes tias nyob tom.......kuv thiaj ua ib
siab tias tej zaum yawg tuag lawm tiag-g.
Mouatony
Xyoo 2003 ntawd kuv moog txug tim Nplog, qaum Mouangkasi, kuv muaj ib
tug txiv txawm peb caij tsheb moog txug ntawd lub zog Khabmub nwg kha
kuv tas Bounmis nraug tua hab tuag rua zaaj ntawd, taw te le koj has
rua kuv hab. Peb Moob suavdlawg yeej khauv xim Bounmis kawg tabsi
Kaasmoos ce muaj caj hab tuag nyob ua ke.
Peb Moob yuav tau xyum tag-t es thaum Moob tuag los kom tuag muaj nuj
nqe, tsi yog tuag lug ntawd txuj kev Moob dlaag Moob.
Thanks,
phwvnyawm
Koj hais yog kawg lawm nawb.......koj puas nyob zoo thiab os?
Kuv kiag mas tau muaj 2-3 weeks no ces so me ntsis tso vim txog caij
ntuj no lawm ces kho tsev los no heev li.
Hais rau koj paub tias lub weekend tag los no kuv tau nqis mus noj 30
nrog cov hmoob nyob Banning thiab Santa Ana. Kuv puav leej ntsib koj
cov kwv tij thiab kuv cov kwv tij. Kuv tseem pom Dr Faj Khaum tuaj
nram thiab laid.Kuv mus rau Banning mas yog hnub Thursday Friday kuv
mam los koom lawv hauv Santa Ana.
Kuv ntsib cov npawg Muas Yias thiab Muas Suav 2 yawg khwv kawg vim
lawv lub church ua mov muag rau hmoob noj 30,ntsisb Muas Liag,Muas
xwm,txiv kwj Paj Pov,Ntshiab Neeb muas,Txiaj Xab Muas, Tsav Ntxawg
Muas tus me-e dawb-b naj, Nyiaj Tub Muas, txiv ntxawm Yaj Tuam,txiv
Ntxawm Ntsuab Xab,txiv ntxawm Neej Pov,txiv ntxawm Liaj Xwm,dab laug
Tub Pos.......thiab coob-b tus.Koj cov kwv tij puav leej nyob
zoo......aub yaub.....peb laus lawm tiag-g nawb Npawg.......plaub haus
dawb tag txhua tus lawm laid......kuv tsis pom npawg Muas Suav thiab
dab laug Muas Xwm nkawv ntev tsawv lawm.....hnub kuv ntsib nkawv ces
plaug haus dawb paug lawm laid......kuv li mas tseem txheeb xwb tsis
tau-au dawb paug.
Dr Faj ces kuv tuav yawg tes kiag lawm kuv twb yuav luag sau daim me
ntawv me-e tso hauv yawg xib teg.....kuv xav-v kuv cia li kav liam
lawm ned....Dr Faj thawj-j hnub ces thaum lawv noj sus tag kuv mam pom
koj tuaj nyob pem tsob qab ntoo nrog koj cov kwv tij sib-b
tham.......hnub tom qab kuv kuj pom koj ib pliag thiab koj puas nco
thaum yawg hmoob Tsab nyob hauv lub church CMA los hais lus......yawg
hais lus tsis tau-au tag ces kuv sawv kev rov los tsev Fresno lawm.
dony
MS32,
Kuv qhov meaning ces yeej yog li Phwvnyawm txhais. Hais txog kev
politics thiab business ces yeej yog li koj hais lawm thiab Tsav tsis
qhia koj los yeej OK vim nyias nyiam nyias yam. Tab sis kuv mloog koj
cov lus mas zoo li koj tsis nco qab nqaij txhiab nqaij ci thiab lub
sij hawm nyob tim ub es nej cev tes qhov twg los yog nyiaj nas. Thiab
hais txog kev kasmoos es ib txhiaj raug ploj raug tuag los ib tug yuav
blame tsis tau ib tug vim nyias txaus siab thiab nyias nyiam nyias
yam. Ib yam li koj thiab peb coob tus tsis nyiam ua kasmoos yeej tsis
muaj leej twg yuav force tau peb ua. Tab sis tus nyiam lawm ces koj
yuav nyiam txwv los yeej tsis tau.
Thov txim yog hais qhov twg ho siab koj los txhob xav li cas. Yog
yuav hais ces peb cov no nyob ti ub twb tsis hnov Tsav lawv cov
ntxhiab mov/nqaij tsw li cas. Dony
Thorn...@yahoo.com
> Tsav (Cha) yeej yog kuv tus nephew li koj (thornsp...@yahoo.com) hais
> tiag. Tab sis thaum lawv ua politics los yog business, Cha yeej tsis
> paub tias kuv yog nws tus dab laug 100%, yeej tsis qhia kuv ib qho dab
> tsi li. Thaum nws tau txais teeb meem es nws cov phooj ywg tsis kam
> paub nws lawd, thaum ntawd nws mam nco txog peb cov ua dab laug.
Kwv Moua Choj, ua tsaug rua koj tej lug teb, muaj ib nraab tuab neeg
thaum luag yuav tau noj luag yeej tsis kaam qha le koj has ko, kuas
thaum tau chaw ti mas txawm yog tug Moob dlaab Moob tsi los yeej yuav
xawb nraav kev txheeb kev ze tuaj kuas tau chaw tag taw saib puas dlim
paa, tej zaag Cha yog miv nyuag huab tais nwg yeej xaav tas dlej nab
khoom yuav tsis paub nqeg nwg txhaj le tau ua le hov rua mej cov ua
dlaab laug lawm xwb, kuas txawm yog tug dleb nab khoos luj tis luj los
txug caij nwg nqhuab nwg yeej txawj nqhuab hab.
tsis xav paub lawv tej niag hauj lwm uas twb ua rau
> kuv txiv, kuv tus kwv nrog pej xeem Hmoob thiab lwm cov neeg raug puas
> ntsoog lawm tau heev.
hmm....kuv tsis tau paub txug tas vp hab koj tsev tuab neeg muaj npas
ham le hov nua es yog le caag tag, pav le ko mas ntxim le vp tau ua
qee yaam tsis zoo kws muaj kev tsiv sab los sis rhuav tshem koj tsev
tuab neeg lawm tsig sub, koj puas kaam pav kuas detail zog rua peb
paub hab, kuv xaav tas lub zim txwv nuav yog koj hua muaj kev ntsim
sab tug dlaab tsi los yog lub caij kws yuav coj tuaj educate rua peb
cov laug nuav tau nov lawm hab, tsis taag le hov kuv ntseeg tas cov
hluas xuam coob los yeej yuav tsis tau paub txug le hab, ntseeg tas
koj yuav nthuav miv ntsiv txug chapter kws vp tau ua rua koj hab koj
tsev tuab neeg raug piam sij lawm rua peb sawv dlawg tau kawm.
MS32
Tub Phwvnyawm thaib cov phooj ywg,
Ntawm sawvdaws cov lus xav mas kuv yawm yij tau pab peb tsev neeg ntau
heev. Tab sis cia kuv hais rau nej sawvdaws kom paub meej peb tau sib
zog ua yus lub hauj lwm yam tsis ntshai tuag li, peb yawm yij tsis pom
qabua li cas xwb es zoo li yawg pab-x peb. Qhoj tau noj mov ua ke ntau
zaug yeej muaj tseeb, hos qhov tau xab thiab positions ntawd, kuv hais
tau thias WE EARNED THEM BECAUSE OF OUR LOYALTY TO OUR PEOPLE AND OUR
COUNTRY AT THAT TIME. SO, WE DESERVED.
The vivid evidence was that, together with our people, we never lost a
single territory to our adversaries since the beginning of the Vietnam
War to the collapse of Vientiane governement in May 1975. Tom qab uas
ib cov coj tau sib koom haus dej dab tias yuav sib pab mus kom kawg
txawm tias yuav poob roj ntsha thiab tag sim neej los yeej yuav tsis
sib tso. Tab sis qhov tseeb ces peb cov nyob teb chaws thib 2-3 tsuas
ntxias cov nyob hauv Nplog teb tuag xwb. Nyiaj txiag los xa tsis txog,
thiaj ua rau pej xeem tuag puas tsuaj tag. Cov tuag lawm los yeej tsis
muaj ib qho pov thawj tseg.
Hais txog qhov pab, peb tau pab peb yawm yij ntau tshaj qhov yawg tau
pab peb. Vim li no, peb thiaj tsis yog rov taw tuam ntuj. Without the
people of Bouamlong, Phou Vieng, Phou Koum and the area controlled by
LTCol. Txooj Kuam Vwj tom Muang Mok ces Long Ceeb ya lawm ntej ua ntej
1971 aftyer Sam Thong. Zoo li no, peb thiaj yog cov hlub peb cov pej
xeem tiag-x.
MS32
vaajmoob
caag luv yawg pov peb qhabnab dlaag tau Txoojkuam hab koj yawg yim ob
tug sis tua huv koj tijlaug muas xwm tsev es kuam koj tijlaug poob npe
naj, koj puag paub has tas peb qhabnab siv mej paab kwvtij has puag
boonloov lug le naj,
vmged
MS32
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Kuv tsis xav li cas thiab yeej tsis siab kuv li rau qhov kuv yog Hmoob
100%. Raug ib tug Hmoob los mob peb siab tib si. Koj pom tias peb yog
luag dab laug ces nqaij txhiab nqaij ci yuav tau noj tag li no pob?
Tawm sis koj yeej tsis paub qhov tseeb tiag. Tej hauj lwm peb tau, kuv
yawm yij twb tsis kam tab sis thaum cov CIA uas nqa nyiaj tuaj pov
saum ntuj los kom peb Hmoob txais ua hauj lwm rau luag pom zoo kom peb
los tuav cov luag hauj lwm ntawd ces kuv yawm yij thiaj tau muab xwb
(Tsis yog kuv lam hais).
Cia muab piav me ntsis rau nej paub li no:
1. The comm. world mas luag lub ncauj ntxias kom tau pej xeem lub siab
kom txhawb lawv lub political ambition
2. The capitalist world, luag hais tias yuav tsum muab nyiaj mus muas
kom tau neeg lub siab. Vim li no, luag thiaj w nyiaj rau peb tus coj
kom coj mus faib rau Hmoob.
These are the two big differences. Tsis li ntawd, ces yeej tsis muaj
ib tug neeg pub nyiaj rau ib tug twg dawb. Tej zaum yuav pub tau 1-2
zaug, tab sis yuav tsis tag mus li thiab rau coob-x tus Hmoob. Qhov no
yog lus tseeb not a fabricated one. Neeg yuav kho qhov ncaj yuav tau
pib hauv yus lub tsev, tsis yog pheej hais kom kho tab sis yus tus
kheej pheej tsis pib no puas yog lawm mas?
Thaum nyob tim ub mas yog lub sij hawm sib ntaus sib tua. Tab sis tuaj
txog rooj teb no, koj ho puas pom tias kuv tau mus zaum puab los yog
ze ntawm luag es noj nqaij txhiab nqaij ci. Los yog mus zaum nrog luag
tim tej public events loj-x li tsiab peb caug? Los yog nrog luag mus
kev ua ib nqag? Yog muaj npaum li koj hais mas, peb thiaj yuav yog cov
luag yuav coj ua ke, ib siab ob qig los noj ua ke haus ua ke mas thiaj
yog pob vim kuv txiv twb yog tus ua ntej loo ib yam li thaum VN War
nev.Yog peb tau nrog yawg tej zaum txoj kev yuav tho mus deb dua nov
lawm los kuj hais tsis tau because we are not going to implement those
shallow strategies, or killing strategies if you like.
Nqaij txhiab nqaij ci uas koj hais yog political meanings/terms,
therefore I don't accept it. Yog family's, I totally agree with your
perception.
Koj los txhob xav li cas, muaj nug thiaj muaj piav, muaj piav thiaj
muaj qhov tseeb, muaj tseeb peb Hmoob thiaj yuav koom tau ua ib xub
ntseeb. Txawm yog kuv kwv kuv tij los kuv yeej hais tib yam
nkaus......No discrimination against any finality.
MS32
Davzeemmuag
world for this. I am a reporter for a very credible and reliable news
media. I have spoken to one of the closet relative of Cha Vang (Tsav
Vaj) VP son, was confirmed 100% that Cha did traveled out of country
for personal reason, but none such "arrested by LPDR" thing happened
while he were there. The online rumor was a fabricate one, and meant
to keep Hmong out of Lao and hurt both the LPDR and Hmong. This person
who posted this complete untrue rumor has one thing in mind (destroy
Hmong). Please...disregard this untrue story and goes on with your
life and contribute to your community, your Hmong people around the
world regardless where they live or what political system they may be
living in.
The author who post the untrue story certainly lack of knowledge about
Hmong history and deemed to be an unwise person. Sure, Hmong are smart
and intelligence, but certainly not this guy. If you doubt of me and
think that I just want to protect one side...or put up another
fabricate story...drive to Fresno to see Tsav Vang, I'm sure you'll
find him there. Or if you die to know about this issue, call your
respectful relative in Fresno, CA and ask them to pay a visit. Don't
wait for other to tell you what you don't want to hear.
Last week, I have the pleviledge to meet with the Gen. and attended
several events with him, and that was Nov 25, 26 of 2009. He has no
concern, no sign of concern of anything like this. He appeared in high
spirit with only thoughtful words to say in all of his speeches.
Love you all,
Davzeemmuag--
tseemyeej
Kuv mloog koj cov lus mas, yam li koj tseem muaj tsos tu siab rau koj
yawmyij heev li sub. Muaj qeetsam, peb tsevneeg kuj xav tib yam li koj
xav thiab, tabsis, peb twb zamtxim rau yawg lawm. Ntuj qubqab, peb
ibtxwm tsis tawmtsam koj yawmyij. Vim nws ua heev-v ces peb thiaj tsiv
los nyob rau km52 lawm. Txiajntsha txiajntsim tsis tas nug txog. Nyob
twjywm yam li neeg tsis paub qab ntxhiab dabtsi. Npaum li los, nws
yeej tseem tsis tso peb tseg. Peb sawvdaws twb poobteb poobchaw, tuaj
txog roojteb no lawm los, ua ntej Operation Popcorn raug revealed, peb
lub moo phem tseem rov tshwm dua ib lwm ntxiv, including me. Yam li
lub niag cubtawg, faus tshauvtseg, rov ciaj loo nplaimtaws dua ib
zaug. Sawvdaws tej xovtoojcua, qabteb qaumteb, tham ntshoonrooj txog
peb lub qe. Cov siab twb nqig lawm los rov npau dugdam dua. Yog peb
khwv siabphem li sawvdaws hais mas, thaum nws raug txim no, peb yeej
yimhuab zoo dov cav kawg lawm. Tabsis, peb nyob peb tusyees li qub,
vim peb paub koj yawmyij zoo tshaj nws paub nws tus kheej lawm.
Kuv ntseeg tias koj tuskheej los yeej paub txog tej teebmeem ntawm peb
tsevneeg zoo. Qhovtseeb peb yeej pab yawg los lawm ntau heev, peb
tsevneeg yeej tau muab rojntsha pua tebchaws tib yam li sawvdaws. Koj
yawmyij yeej tseem nco tau meej-j tias leej twg yog tus cawm koj
yawmyij thiaj tsis poob nws tus nom. Tabsis vim personal survival nws
thiaj tuaj ib tog, tso ib tog tseg li no.
Txog tebchaws no, tabtxxawm muaj ntaupab ntaupawg tuaj yaum peb kom
nrog luag uateb uachaw los peb thiaj tsis nrog leejtwg ua li lawm.
Txawm li los, peb yeej tseem fwm nws thiab tseem ua nws tsaug qhov nws
txiav peb txhua txhia hauv kev. Yog ua tib zoo ntsia, twb yog vim nws
tsis pub peb nrog nws sib tw ua qhov phem es peb thiaj nco ntsoov ua
qhov zoo nkaus xwb. Nim no, peb thiaj tsheej neeg, tsis muaj hmab
dawmtes hlua dawmtaw lawm.
Kuv xav nqua hu kom koj muab txoj kev ntsim siab tsuj nthi ntawm taw,
thiaj ua lub neej kabntsab nawb mog. Thiab yog koj yawmyij tsevneeg,
ho tau tuaj nyeem kuv tej lus hauv no, kuv xav hais rau lawv tias peb
tsevneeg yeej ibtxwm zam txim rau lawv tsev neeg.
Nyobzoo xyoo tshiab,
Tub PajTsab.
MS32
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vaajmoob,
I already gave you the big picture and am unable to provide you any
furhter detail b/c the painful issue had elapsed for more than 35
years. Let it be the way it was and don't speculate it anymore, what
we can do is to promote harmony in our society rather than swinging
back to the old days. The past is a valuable lesson for us to learn,
to improve the present, and to excel the future. Txoj kev sib txeeb
nom sib txeeb tswv yeej ua rau neeg dig muag tib yam nkaus li lwm haiv
neeg thiab.
Happy New Year to all of you, including my friend Tseem Yeej.
MS32
vaajmoob
qhabnab has xwb ces tau lawm es kuv yawg pov xam tsi muab koj ntuv le
tub ntuv coobx leej lawm,
vmged
phwvnyawm
Nam tsuv tum ....aw.....txhob pheej tshaum ub tshaum no es yawg aib
Thorps txhaj tsis tau dlov-v cav tas zug mas........tus koj yawg lawv
yuav ntuv ces yog koj los mas........ua li 2 hnub koj yawg tug tub twb
caw koj moog noj hmo no ua cag koj tsis moog os.......koj mas ntshai
puab ntuv kawg lawm lo sad......xyoo nuav koj tuaj es kuv mam kom Zhen
nrug wb hmoo noj fawm saib yom.
Cat
> Last week, I have the pleviledge to meet with the Gen. and attended
> several events with him, and that was Nov 25, 26 of 2009. He has no
> concern, no sign of concern of anything like this. He appeared in high
> spirit with only thoughtful words to say in all of his speeches.
>
Davezeemmuag,
above are your words. How come you did not say that Cha was also with
the Gen. and you during those days. Or no mention that the General
told you that Cha as home. Usually Cha goes where his father goes,
certainly if he was home like you said he would have gone out to the
public to kill this "rumor"
vaajmoob
tas kuv tub yog lub hauvpaug yog tsi muaj kuv lawm ces kuv yawg
qhabnab kawg tsaa chij dlawb xwb, has txug moog noj turkey, kuv moog
los mas ua caag kuv yuav ntshai puab ntuv naj, koj nov qaab lu lug has
tas tsuv tsi tum tsuv lawm lov,kuv yawg pov peb yog ib qhabnab,
vmged
Thorn...@yahoo.com
raug moog ntoo huab tias nplog lub crown lawm nua es koj tub moog koom
peb caug nraa santa anna es koj tseem tsis pum Tsaav hab lov, yog nwg
rov lug lawm tag tes koj yeej pum nwg fwj tuav vp teg lawm los poj,
yog tas koj tub tsis pum nwg hab tes tej zaag yeej very likely nwg
maag moog zaum rooj huab tais lawm ntaag kaj, dlhau le hov koj yuav
tsum paub zoo xwb kuv xaav os noog mas mej cov caiv plawv tes ntxim le
koj tub nyob muaj ntsis ze rua ntawm luag tug laug xub ndlaag tsij sub
niv.
On Dec 1, 2:40 pm, phwvnyawm <phwvnya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
phwvnyawm
Koj txhob to taub yuam kev nawb.......kuv tus no tsis nrog leej twg ua
dab tsi hlo li nawb.......yus yog neeg ua teb xwb nad.Hmoob Santa Ana
lub peb caug ces me-e ces txhua-ua xyoo luag tej hlob yeej tsis koom
li no ko.Vim Sacramento yog lub loj dua ces luag tus laus niaj xyoo
mus koom lawv lawm.Hais txog Tsav mas nws lub tsev nyob MN nws los ces
los rau pem MN lawm.
Thorn...@yahoo.com
laug puab phav kas moos muaj dlaab tsi los koj yeej muaj ntsis paub
zoo, mas kuv txhaj le xaav tas koj yuav tsum muaj miv ntsis
relationship nrug puab lawm xwb, ab yab, txawm yog tas koj ua kwv hua
tau muaj kev koom txum nrug puab los yeej tsis ua le caag le ov, txhob
poob sab ntshai tsaam luag tug laug hua tsis ntseeg koj taag xwb hua
has txug lwm tug tes nothing le nawj, has ncaaj, mej cov caiv plawv
mas ntshai luag tug laug yuav laam has nice thaum mej nrug luag zaum
ua ke xwb tem sis thaum pluj ntawm qhov muag mas luag yeej tsis laam
yuav ntseeg mej le nawj.
dony
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THORNS,
Koj ua ntsuas txawj ua zab hwv thiab lau. Koj tseem ntshai tsam
Phwvnyawm koom nrog peb cov niag vaj thiab los? Koj kiag los pebtseem
yuav caw koj nrog peb nav..Peb nyiam cov cem/tshev peb li ko tab sis
thaum ti nkaus mas koj yog tug kws hlub peb tshaj nav..Koj puas pom
kuv yawm Vaajmoob ho ma. Nws lam ua txuj tuaj cem VP rau ub rau no
tab sis nws mas yog tus uas tsis pub leej twg/strangers los ti luag
tus laus li ov...dony
dony
Uncle TP/TY
Koj mas ua li cas yuav hais tau tej lus uas kuv saib mas me paj nyiaj
paj kub poob ua huab zig lau..Yog yuav hais ces peb cov me nyuam thab
ham nyob nias nab es nyiaj tshab yoo nqhis es ib qho qab tsis tau nrog
sawv daws noj tab sis me pa av thiab pa phom loj haus tsis tas mas
thiaj tsim nyog complain laiv yom.Koj puas xav li ma Uncle? Dony
McHmong
Cha flied to Laos with Thai military helicopter. He signed the
agreement at Gen VP's old house with a few Hmong participants. You
guys should be happy that the Vietnam era for Hmongs come to an end.
Cha is busy arranging the ceremony in Laos. I assured all of you that
Cha is 100% safe. The ceremony is scheduled for January 2010. Just
prepare your fireworks. Los yog nrhiav phuam so kua muag tias tsov rog
Hmoob Miskas yuav los xaus rau 1/10/2010.
vaajmoob
tom kuv yawg qub tsev tabsi yog sin nyob tim cha lub tsev tshab, yog
mej cov tsi paub ces txiv cha lub tsev tshab nyob phonthong,
vmged
Thorn...@yahoo.com
laug ua kas mia nuav niv, kuas has tsis tag le es, mej cov vaj/vaaj
mas lam mus ntseeg puab cov caiv plawv hov ib qhov luaj rau tes dlub
naj, mej mas loj sis ua taav muag saib puab nruj hab yeej muaj ib lub
sab ntseeg has tas cov caiv plawv are not trust people nuav nav, kuv
tug laug nuav mas paub taag lawm os, koj tsis xob dlaag dlaag tas mej
tsis xaav le hov nawj, mej tub lam tas tog le vp maag moog hlob kaav
hlaus lo yog tim cov caiv plawv foob nuav niv, hehehe, le caag los me
kwv phwvnyawm yuav tsum cev faaj nua xwb los mav yog tas nwg pheej
nquag nquag moog zaum ntawm vp ib sab nas.
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Cat
6qub
> Awj, puas muaj tseeb mas puab yawm, ua le caag mej coob npaum le nuav
> es hua tsis muaj tug confirm le, aj has tas freedom kuj has muaj lawm
> hab ov, yog tas muaj tag tes ntshai yog le mej ib cov has lawm lauj,
> muab tej nyuj twm coob tug txuj sa moog txhuv tau vp tawm huv qhov
> taub lawm tes zaag nuav puab hua yuav yuav nwg ib teev me ntshaav moog
> pauj, xyoob nyuab sab, luag tub tas txiv tsis taug los tub yuav tsum
> taug nua niv, nig nuav yog txiv aub tsis taug lub vuj hlua lawm los ca
> rua tub aub los tau.
>
> On Nov 26, 6:39 am, vaajmoob <vaajm...@yahoo.com> wrote:> dony es,ua tuabneeg nyob yog yug tsi ua le hov yeej tsi muaj leej twgx
> > has tau yug, thaum luag has yug lawm ces ho has tas yog luag has yug
> > plig, qhov tseb ces tug yog lu nkaug yug hau plaj es mobx xwb,tuag los
> > tuag tsi tau nyob los luag ho hasx yug, has txug peb qhabnab dongdok
> > haab lycee ces koj yuav has le caag los tau vim has tas taam sim nua
> > peb yog cov huamnab taag lawm ces tsi ua le caag,
> > vmged
>
> > On Nov 25, 8:18 pm, dony <phiaj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 25, 11:38 am, cwjmem <cwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yawm Moob Vaaj es,
>
> > > > Koj has yog lawm laud. Koj nam puj pov tes yaam le kuv pum ob peb zag
> > > > nyob rua huv tsev Kas sib naum nrag Santa Ana tag!
>
> > > > > > VaajMoob,
>
> > > > > > Mej paab txivtub mas los sij muaj peevxwm tag-g le lawm nawb. Tej nuav
> > > > > > ces yog qhov moob naj nub has tas; "Laam has kuas luag laam ntseeg"
> > > > > > ces yog tej nuav tag. Peb cov nam tuab neeg ruag nuav mas ntshaw-aw
> > > > > > los ntshaw tsis tau le tag, xaam-m los xaam tsis pum tej kev khwv noj
> > > > > > khwv haus qeb sab-b le hov le ne.
>
> > > > > > Ab yaj laam khaws nyaj xees lab xwb lauj!
>
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> > > plig kawg. Kuv xav mas ntshai yog nej tuaj txog teb chaws no nyuaj
> > > siab dhau hwv lawm ho. Dony- Hide quoted text -
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Cov yawg ua cas es nej suav daws yuav mus dag ua luaj li nad. Ib co
hais tais yog Txoov, ib co hos hais tias yog Tsav no es yog li cas
tiag taig. Peb suav daws laus laus lawm thov peb hais lus kom xws li
txiv neej tso zes tuav qau rawv thiab meb. Ua lis cas es nej yuav dag
ua luaj li. Sauv daws tsis txhob laj tau lam hais. Tsam tsis mauj ces
tus neeg dag ntawd ho yuav muab nws lub ntsej muag dev ntawd mus
ntsaws rau qhov twg. Thov kom muaj tseem li hais tseeb tsis thxob lam
xav ua dev tsem rau ub rau no.