13 more people were arrested in Vientiane today, November 6 2009
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
yawgnomdub
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> http://www.amerilao.org/index.php?page=forum&op=viewThread&id=999
I wonder they keep arreste more peoples and yong, dkj keep deny the
arrested. If they are perfect them they should tell the true and
explain the reason of arrested.
How can dr. pao also in there and have no voice about this arrest at
all. Is he and his friend are in the planning of arrest as well.
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
Dr. Pao is there he's leader of Neohom himself
why he still be able to cruising around, spend well
his money enjoy drinking with old friend?
That is your answer..
The news is fabricated to attack LPDR, offcourse
LPDR is like all other country in the word, they can't
make every one happy that's impossible, as you can
see the shooting at Ft Hood Tx, USA, nothing wrong
with him he just not happy for US government that all...
thanouxay
If you read carfully the statement posted by PhoubaoLao, there are
only claims, affirmation, accusation but no proof, no fact and of
course no evidence. The charabia in the text is: they cut and paste
from here and there to make the text longer and longer but what they
failed to understand is that more they claim more they discredit their
claim because no proof and no evidence.
Very funny
Sok dee
The Chosen One
> More detail:
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> http://www.amerilao.org/index.php?page=forum&op=viewThread&id=999
All SCLers,
The number keeps increasing and increasing. It'll be over 1000 people
by the end of next week. Initially it was over 300 detained and then
most got released and now it's still over 300 people + 13 more,
according to PBL's number.
I am wondering who's in right mind would stage something like this and
expect to get away before the big public events like the SEA Games,
where the security is expected to be tight; unless they're ready to be
in the dark cells for the rest of their lives.
Secondly, what kind of trouble can a dozen of people do to have any
impacts?
Thirdly, if this is true, why don't RFA or whoever creates this news
publish the names including the family names, address or village where
they live? If they know the first name and age, I am sure that they
can find out the last name and the address too. The first name and
some age number do not mean anything. Any one can come up with that.
If they can publish the name and address I am sure that Lao community
overseas can confirm with their relatives in Laos if these people are
actually got arrested. Laos is not that big. So, why doesn't the RFA
start with that to prove the creditability??
Jerry
dekfangkhong
LPDR's ideologies will always be:
1. We don't see
2. We don't know
3. We haven't heard about it
4. We don't do it. And
5. We don't have it. Period.
Even you blow Patouxay in ashes... they still claim.... just
electricity wiring problem. So if you want to wake up the world, use
a better technique.
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
Number came from this:
Sources in Laos and the Lao government are reporting that secret
police in Laos are going door-to-door in key areas of Vientiane, Luang
Prabang, Xieng Khouang and elsewhere in Laos arresting Lao and Hmong
suspects allegedly affiliated with organizing anti-government rallies
from November 2-5, 2009. According to sources in Laos, 13 more people
were arrested today in Vientiane. The new arrests brings to 359 the
known Laotian people arrested, or jailed, by the LPA and Lao secret
police since November 2, 2009, prior to the start of the Southeast
Asia games ( SEA games) in December.
Did you look at bottom of the page where news sources came from?
http://www.live-pr.com/en/laos-vietnam-jail-more-political-religious-r1048349090.htm
HP
PBL
ກາສາລາວ
you are talking as things are running like in america. that is not the
case here.
The Chosen One
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CSL,
The problem with people today is that when they see or hear a news on
TVs or papers, automatically without even analyzing the whole story,
in their simple mind they think the story is 100% accurate or true.
For example, If CNN says something and then ABC and CBS or other news
outlets say the same thing, in their average mind automatically the
story gotta be right or true. That's why I watch both the extreme left
and the right wing news outlets - Fox News and MSNBC, and something
else in between.
As for this story, if they have the credible source, especially when
they know the detained people's age and gender, I am sure that their
source(s) can get them the family name and the village(s) where they
live or even better the pictures of the event. To me, it seemed like
the source(s) already have seen the detainees' ID cards. Just think
about this: if I tell you that I have an ananymous source in your area
telling me that your wife is cheating on you. Will you believe my
story without any evidence any substantiation from me? Probably not,
right? However, for a guy that has already mistrusted on his wife, he
certainly will sway. I don't know about you but for me I believe
stuffs based on evidences and substantiations, not just based on what
someone has said.
Jerry
paxas...@yahoo.com
Jerry I am with you on this one . Like I said before soon everything
will be back to normal again . This is not the first time some of
these people making little noise like this one and it won't be the
last time either . The last 30 plus years how many incidents and cases
these people accused LPDR of doing this and that . They went all the
way to United Congress and United Nation . What were the resulted ?
Nothing nada zero but instead United Stated awarded LPDR with NTR ,
taken out of US black list and improved their relationship politically
and military everyday as we speak . Put Vang Pao and his gangs in
checked on US black list . At the end LPDR will win again as usual .
PXL4LIFE.
ກາສາລາວ
awhile and see how things progress on the ground there.
hahaha... i can't believe that you can tolerate watching FOX NEWs or
FAUX News as i like to call that news outlet. this coming week we will
see glen beck the retarded mormon cry on tv again because congress has
just passed the health bill. he's gonna say something like 'ahahah...
we are all gonna die because this country is becoming a SOCIALIST
COUNTRY NOW... BOOHOOOO...'
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
Jerry these peoples have alot of free time and immagination
considered as a friction story of SCL for your entertainment...
thanouxay
Yes, ths is what I said... If the news were credible enough, all the
International press would have pick up it for days... In this case of
fabrication, only RFA pick up the news and then Philip smith and his
cronies started to add on lies.
Please just take notice that no one pick up the news showed that no
one among the credible and respectable press, played around with those
morron.
Sok dee
> Jerry- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
ai yai, calmer heads will always prevail.
ກາສາລາວ
you meant to say 'FICTION' yeah? of course this fiction has a lot of
frictions. stay tuned for more.
The Chosen One
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LP,
Yes, but you have to be careful to whom you listen, especially on
Laos. For Lao people, things tends to be Khao kha Xok, ok kha va (in
for an inch, out in a yard) Laos is far from perfect. There're a lot
of things that we don't know about, especially negative things about
Laos or the Lao govt.
Jerry
samphong
> Siengr1 and all,
>
> Yes, ths is what I said... If the news were credible enough, all the
> International press would have pick up it for days... In this case of
> fabrication, only RFA pick up the news and then Philip smith and his
> cronies started to add on lies.
>
> Please just take notice that no one pick up the news showed that no
> one among the credible and respectable press, played around with those
> morron.
>
> Sok dee
It seems the Lao Ambassador to the United Nations, Yong Chanthalangsy,
is still on duty as the Lao spokesperson (a post he previously,
officially held)...and calling international critics, "morron."
The real moron is a U.N. Ambassador who continues to be the all time
Lao government official internet junkie, on the international stage.
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
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Jerry you are right Khuam Kha Xok Ok kha wah, Pan Nam hai Pen
Ton (water to ice) Sorphor-Torlair Park-pen....etc..
I think you still remember that your parent told you when any guest
at home never fight, never ask for money or showing hungry?
Laos is the host of SEA game, many peoples from other country will
pour in to Laos, who ever attack LPDR this time have no conscience
(Bor Hou Jack Khuam) never got that lesson..
ກາສາລາວ
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/casalao/?action=view¤t=DSCN0775.jpg
ນີ້ເດີຕູ້ລາວພວນ. ໃຫ້ເຈົ້າເວົ້າ ຕາມນີ້ເດີ.
ນຶ່ງ, ສອງ, ສາມ "ສາທາຣະນະຣັດ ປະຊາທິປະຕັຍ ປະຊາຊົນລາວ ໝັ້ນຍືນ, ໝັ້ນຍືນ,
ໝັ້ນຍືນ" "ໄຊໂຍ"
ຮາຮາຮາ... ດີໃຈແລ້ວນໍຄັນໄດ້ເວົ້າ ຄໍາຂວັນທີ່ຖືກກະດອງໃຈ.
thanouxay
Thank you for your goodwill. Lao PDR know how to defend itself and the
People's Power has more strength than any body. any thanks.
sok dee
yawgnomdub
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Mr. phuan
Do you see? You defend of lpdr have no merit at all. Shame on you and
will shame forever
Xavzoo
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Schers,
I've never seen Lao PDR admitted any of his acts, but denied all even
what its government had committed and violated the international laws
such as persecuting the jungle Hmong who have scars to proof to the
world on films.
X Z
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
How are you doing today, Mr. ເຊອີອາ Laophuan?
ຈົ່ງນອນຫລັບ ຝັນດີ ...!!!
ກາສາລາວ
the Lao PDR asked the chinese who are going to be guests at the SEA
games to build the sport complex for a land concession. how do we call
that? HOST ASKING GUEST FOR MONEY?
do you do any serious thinking before you jump up and down to defend
the Lao PDR regime?
ນໍ້າໃຈລາວ XiangMieng
RFA's reputation maybe at stake here, unless they can produce some
credible evidence. Other secondhand sources are a little too bias and
self serving. There is no doubt that security have been increased in
Laos, specially VTE due to ASEAN ministers meeting, Thatluang
festival, and up coming ASEAN game. If there is not such arrests why
intimidation of families not to talk to foreign media? tension is
rising in VTE and I hold grave concern of something bad would happen
during the game, as an act of desperation and frustration of a system
too absorbed in itself than serving the people, people who say "dammed
not in my name!".
On Nov 7, 6:41 pm, ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ <bao...@gmail.com> wrote:
> More detail:
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> http://www.amerilao.org/index.php?page=forum&op=viewThread&id=999
ຈອນນີ
Wow...! Paun this is what you got from your boss for Christmas gift
this year.
Congratulation and well done.
''Thank you for your goodwill. Lao PDR know how to defend itself and
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
ຖ້າຈະເວົ້າເຣຶ່ອງຫາຂອງກາງ ຕ້ອງແມ່ນ ສປປລ ເປັນຜູ້ເອົາມາໂຊວ໌ ເພາະວ່າ:
ລາວນອກເປັນໂຈດ
ລາວໃນເປັນຈຳເລີຍ
ຂອງກາງຕ້ອງແມ່ນຈຳເລີຍເປັນຜູ່ມາຍົກມາໂຊວ໌.....
ສ່ວນລາວນອກ ໄດ້ຂ່າວມາວ່າ ຢູ່ໃນຄຸກສຳເຄແລ້ວ ແລະຈະບໍ່ມີການ ພິຈາຣະນາ
ຈົນກ່ວາ ຊີເກັມ ຈະສີ້ນສຸດລົງ ວ່າຈັ້ງຊັ້ນ.
ດັ້ງນັ້ນລະ ລາວໃນຈຶ່ງ ປະຕິເສດ ທຸກໆຂໍ້ກ່າວຫາ
ສ່ວນ ຜຂ ຈະຂໍໄປໄພຫຍ້າ ມຸງລົກໄກ່ ຊ້ຳກ່ອນເດີ
ຮພ
On Nov 8, 7:30 pm, ນໍ້າໃຈລາວ XiangMieng <xiangmi...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
ai Xiang,
If anything should happen to disrupt this event, it will only make
LPDR's opposition look bad. I would think.
Just my 2 cents.
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
> Lao Phouan,
>
> Thank you for your goodwill. Lao PDR know how to defend itself and the
> People's Power has more strength than any body. any thanks.
Sorry Thanouxay I didn't mean to defend or try to be a part of LPDR
I only have different idiology with many friend in SCL and in USA
only..thank
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
ບູຮານລາວ ເພີ່ນເວົ້າແລະເຄີຍບອກເຄີຍສອນ ລູກຫລານລາວເຮົາ ວ່າ:
"ເພີ່ນບໍ່ເອີ້ນຢ່າຂານ ເພີ່ນບໍ່ວານ ຢ່າຊ່ວຍ"
ແມ່ນແທ້ໆໆໆໆໆ ເດີ ອາວ ຈອນນີ....
ຕົວຢ່າງ: ລາວພວນ ນີ້ຫລະ
ທ່ານໂຢ່ງໂຢ້ ເວົ້າແລ້ວວ່າ: ເຜົ່າລາວພວນ ບໍ່ມີຊື່ໃນ ຊົນເຜົ່າຂອງລາວອີກແລ້ວ
(ດັ່ງທີ່ພວກເຮົາເຄີຍ ຖຽງກັນຢູ່ໃນທີ່ນີ້)
ກະຣຸນາອ່ານບົດນີ້
http://groups.google.is/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/34b781943c8cb65e
ລາວພວນ Are you happy now?
Lao Communuts take serious what you said when you are not authorize
to!!!!!
"Don't pretend to be big guy that Communuts will appreciate"
When they nail your toe; It hurts, isn't it?
When you are small ໄກ່ນ້ອຍ, poussin, ลูกไก่, цыпленок, пиле, pollo,
チキン, κοτόπουλο.
Just learn new things, right?
HP
PBL
Cat
news agency instead of showing proof that the story was made up or
they demand more. It's crazy why would you have to print their place
of residence to proof that they exist.
How about this. Those that do not believe that the event did happen
proof to us with fact, instead of calling names or using basic words
like it's "not true" or "it's fabricated". How about some proof that
it's false.
If I had to choose who has more credibility, the LPDR and it's
representatives in this forum or RFA. I go with RFA any day of the
week on any topic. The LPDR has a long history of lying, fabricating
information while the world already knows the truth. RFA has no such
history. If you know of any I challenge any of you to get.
Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.
The Chosen One
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PBL,
I did not know that your court system is this way. In your world,
you're saying that I can allege anyone for any crime and let them come
up with evidences to prove it otherwise? What a joke!
In a civilized world, people don't accuse anyone without any beef to
back it up. The court convicts people based on the substantial
evidence,not what he says or she says. If no evidence, the court will
just throw the suit away. So, I call on the RFA to show people in
SCLers a beef and hopefully they check on their so called "ananymous"
source first. Otherwise, stop inciting lao people to bite each other's
head off. The cold war era has been long over and the old guard's
mentality has to stop.
Jerry
DKJ
ເວົ້າແບບນີ້ ກໍເຫັນແຕ່ເດັກນ້ອຍຍັງຫລີ້ນຂີ້ໂຕເອງຢູ່ນັ້ນແລ້ວ ມາເວົ້າ
> ຖ້າຈະເວົ້າເຣຶ່ອງຫາຂອງກາງ ຕ້ອງແມ່ນ ສປປລ ເປັນຜູ້ເອົາມາໂຊວ໌ ເພາະວ່າ:
> ລາວນອກເປັນໂຈດ
> ລາວໃນເປັນຈຳເລີຍ
> ຂອງກາງຕ້ອງແມ່ນຈຳເລີຍເປັນຜູ່ມາຍົກມາໂຊວ໌.....
ທ່ານນັ້ນແລະ ຄວນຖາມໂຕເອງ ຫລືຖາມ FRA ຫລາຍກວ່າວ່າ
ຢູ່ໃສຄຳຈິງໃຈແລະຄວາມຍຸຕິທຳຂອງພວກທ່ານ ທີ່ມີຕໍ່ເພື່ອນສະມາຊິກນຳກັນ
ທັງໆທີ່ມີຫລາຍຄົນຖາມຫານາມສະກຸນແລະທີ່ຢູ່ອາໄສຂອງ 9 ຄົນທີ່ຖືກກັກໄວ້ນັ້ນ
ແຕ່ພວກທ່ານບໍ່ມີຄຳອະທິບາຍແລ້ວໄປຊອກຫາເລື່ອງອື່ນມາກ່າວຫາ ສປປ ລາວຕ່ມອີກ
RFA ກ້າເອົາຄຳສຳພາດແລະຊື່ຂອງບຸກຄົນເຫລົ່ານີ້ ອອກທາງອາກາດ
ແຕ່ບໍ່ກ້າເອົານາມສະກຸນແລະທີ່ຢູ່ຂອງພວກເຂົາອອກ
ໃຫ້ພວກທ່ານນັ້ນແລະ ພິຈາລະນາຕົນເອງ
ດກຈ
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
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> PBL,
>
> I did not know that your court system is this way. In your world,
> you're saying that I can allege anyone for any crime and let them come
> up with evidences to prove it otherwise? What a joke!
> In a civilized world, people don't accuse anyone without any beef to
> back it up. The court convicts people based on the substantial
> evidence,not what he says or she says. If no evidence, the court will
> just throw the suit away. So, I call on the RFA to show people in
> SCLers a beef and hopefully they check on their so called "ananymous"
> source first. Otherwise, stop inciting lao people to bite each other's
> head off. The cold war era has been long over and the old guard's
> mentality has to stop.
>
> Jerry
Satu and thank you.
paxas...@yahoo.com
> Those that don't like the story try to discredit the reporter or the
> news agency instead of showing proof that the story was made up or
> they demand more. It's crazy why would you have to print their place
> of residence to proof that they exist.
>
> How about this. Those that do not believe that the event did happen
> proof to us with fact, instead of calling names or using basic words
> like it's "not true" or "it's fabricated". How about some proof that
> it's false.
If I was accused of screwing someone else wife . Do I have to prove
that I didn't do it or her husband has to prove that I screwed his
wife ?
I though in the court of law the DA (ໂຈດ ) supposed to prove that the
bad guys (ຈຳເລີຍ ) is guilty . Is the American law change now lol ?
Double standard maybe ?
Better yet if I accused you of stealing my money . Who suppose to have
prove ?
PXL4LIFE.
The Chosen One
Hi Cat,
You know why Dan Rather lost his job? Because he reported false and
unstantiated stories and without checking the credential of the source
(s) of the stories. It's responsibility of the journalists to check
the source before reporting, not just reporting it bacause you like
the story and throw in the "ananymous" bullcrap as a cover.
Jerry
tseemyeej
Remember the song "ເຫັນໃຈສາວອົພຍົບ"? It was dedicated to all the phuan
refugee girls seeking for freedom in 1968. Thousands of them came to
live in Nampod, Nampad, Thalad, and NaNga, NongSa in Vientiane
province. Unfortunately, in1973, most of them were forced to go back
to XiengKhouang, but later, they felt betrayed by Phoumy Vongvichith's
words and had to leave the country, including the minister Soulivong's
brother Budthalangsy.
You are not a phuan, you know nothing about the communists.
Yor fliend ເຊີນຍີ້ມ.
ນໍ້າໃຈລາວ XiangMieng
So you take no parental responsibility when 'your lesbian daughter
turned up covered in feces at your birthday party' and no love in your
heart? how did it come to this? it is easy to disown the issue but
when you are frail you will long for your lost daughter, for they too
will disown you. This is cause and affect, how can we minimize and
manage the rift is the key, not by banning or outlawing those who do
not think as you do. or that you are so 'songxai' that you failed to
see through other people's eyes.
Sahay's have no cloths!
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
ai Xiang, I don't think you heard a single word I said nor understood
one sentence I uttered.
Hakpang
KC
ມັນຈະເສັຽການເມື່ອງ
ຂອງ LRPເດີ. It is unsual that Mr. Thanouxay, Mr. DKJ
ອອກມາໃຫ້ການແລະຕອບໂຕ້
ທັນໄດບໍ່ວ່າເຮື່ງຫັຍງ ຄິດວ່າຜິດປົກກະຕິເດີຕາມ ຂພຈ ສັງເກດເຫັນນີ. ສະນັ້ນ
Laophuan you have to be cool.
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
ຂ່າວລາວນອກ ອອກຂ່າວວ່າເປັນ ເຣຶ່ອງເກີດຂຶ້ນແບບນີ້
ຂ່າວລາວໃນ ບອກວ່າ ເຣຶ່ອງ ບໍ່ເປັນແບບນັ້ນ
ໃຜເປັນໂຈດທີ່ສອບຖາມ?
ໃຜເປັນຈຳເລີຍທີ່ຈະຕ້ອງຕອບຄຳຖາມ?
ສຸດທ້າຍ ຕ້ອງໃຫ້ ຜບລ ນີ້ບໍ ຕອບ ປປຊ? ພວກເຈົ້າຢ່າເປັນ
ບ້າບໍ່ເຂົ້າເຣຶ່ອງເດີ
ຖ້າ ສປປລ ຈິງໃຈແລະມີປະຊາທິປະໄຕ ໃນການອອກຂ່າວຢ່າງເສຣີ
ຕາມກົດບັນຍັດ ຣັຖທັມະນູນຂອງ ສປປລ ເປັນຫຍັງທ່ານ ຄືບໍ່ເຫັນຕອບ
ເປັນທາງການໄປໂລດ? ເປັນຫຍັງມາກ່າວໂທສ ຜູ່ທີ່ເຫັນຂ່າວ
ແລ້ວເອົາຂ່າວມາບອກເລົ່າ ມັນຄົນລະເຣຶ່ອງກັນແລ້ວໄດ໋ ດກຈ.
ເຣຶ່ອງ RFA ເປັນຫຍັງ ຄືບໍ່ຖາມ FRA ເອງວ່າ ເຂົາໄດ້ຂອງກາງ ຂນາດໃດ
ຈຶ່ງກ້າລົງຂ່າວ? ອີງຕາມຄວາມແນ່ນອນ ຂ່າວເສຣີ ເຂົາໄດ້ຂອງກາງແລ້ວ
ຕ່າງແຕ່ວ່າເຂົາຈະ Submit ໄປທີ່ໃດ ເຣຶ່ອງນີ້ ຂພຈ ບໍ່ຮູ້ ຄືກັນ....
ຂໍຖາມ ສປປລ ແນວນຶ່ງ ສົມມຸດ: ຖ້າມີຄົນ Submit ຂອງກາງມາເຖິງ ຂພຈ ແລະ
ມີຂອງກາງພຽບພ້ອມທ່ານຍິນດີ ຈະປ່ອຍພວກທີ່ ເຂົາຖືກຈັບ ນັ້ນແທ້ບໍ?
ຫລືຈະມາຍົວະ ເອົາຄວາມຂອງກາງເພື່ອຜູກມັດ ແລ້ວຕຽມຈັບຜູ່ຕໍ່ໆໄປອີກ?
ຕອນນີ້ຜູ່ທີ່ຖືກຈັບນັ້ນຢູ່ທີ່ ສຳເຄ ທີ່ຮູ້ມານີ້ບໍ່ແມ່ນ RFA ຣາຍງານເດີ
ພະນັກງານ ທະຫານ ແລະຕຳຣວດ ຜູ່ທີ່ທ່ານນັ່ງກິນ ກາເຟ ນຳກັນ
ກັບທ່ານທຸກມື້ນັ້ນແລ້ວຣາຍງານ.
ຮູ້ເອົາໄວ້ ຂອດຜ້າກະຕ່ຽວ ຈ່ອງເຈາະ ເອົາໄວ້ ເວົ້າໃນນາມສ່ວນໂຕຫວາ.
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
It is not a joke on Nov. 2nd, 2009 but Nov. 6, 2009 depends on Press
Release which I stated earlier.
My court system is simple:
1. Question
2. Answer
That's it so people can understand What? Why and How?
If Lao PDR honest based on Lao Constitution Freedom of Press, why did
they refuse on News? It doesn't make sense to public.
Best regards,
PBL
On Nov 9, 12:13 am, The Chosen One <siengr1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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DKJ
ຜຂ ວ່າທ່ານນີ້ຍັງຝັນກາງເວັນຢູ່ ຫລືຍັງຈົມຢູ່ກັບຄວາມຫວາດຜະຫວາໃນອະດີດ
< ”ຮູ້ເອົາໄວ້ ຂອດຜ້າກະຕ່ຽວ ຈ່ອງເຈາະ ເອົາໄວ້ ເວົ້າໃນນາມສ່ວນໂຕຫວາ.”
ຜຂ ເຂົ້າໃຈວ່າ ທ່ານຢາກຫມາຍເຖິງຫຍັງ...ໃຫ້ເຊົາຝັນກາງເວັນເສຍເທາະທ່ານເອີຍ
ສ່ວນເລື່ອງຄຳຊີ້ແຈງຈາກທາງການລາວ ກໍອອກຂ່າວໄປຫມົດແລ້ວເດີ
ຍັງຝັນຢູ່ບໍຈຶ່ງບໍ່ເຫັນຂ່າວເຂົາອອກ ລວມທັງ RFA ກໍອອກຂ່າວໄປແລ້ວ
ສ່ວນເລື່ອງສົມມຸດຂອງທ່ານນັ້ນ ຜຂ ກໍບໍ່ຈັກຊິວ່າຈັງໃດ
ຊິໃຫ້ປ່ອຍຜູ້ໃດເກາະຈາກຄຸກສາມເຄນັ້ນ ຖ້າແນ່ຈິງ
ກໍຂໍໃຫ້ຖະແຫລງກ່າວໃຫ້ສາກົນຮູ້ໄປເລີຍໂລດ
ບໍ່ຕ້ອງເກງໃຈທາງການລາວດອກ
ຖ້າທ່ານເຮັດໄດ້ຄືແນວນັ້ນແທ້ ຜຂ ເຊື່ອວ່າ ລັດຖະບານລາວ
ຊິຊື້ປີ້ຍົນແລະຮັບປະກັນຄວາມປອດໄພໃຫ້ທ່ານ ເພື່ອໃຫ້ທ່ານ
ສາມາດນັບຄະນະຂອງທ່ານ ມາຊີ້ໂຕວ່າ ຜູ້ໃດຜິດກະໂທງໃດຢູ່ຄຸກ 3K
ຊິລໍຖ້າເບິ່ງ ບໍ່ຕ້ອງສົມມຸດຝັນເອົາເອງດອກທ່ານເອີຍ
ດກຈ
thanouxay
You are absolutely right... 30 years over in the States didn't even
made those people learn their best practice. With regard to justice,
one has to be careful when she/he want to accuse anybody of any
wrongdoing... Accusation without evidence = defamation, Slander,
Libel. Baseless accusation=Libel=Slander=Defamation can backfire the
author and is considered as an Offense.
Unless, those guys are still living under Mc. Carthyist era.
Sok dee
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> PBL,
>
> I did not know that your court system is this way. In your world,
> you're saying that I can allege anyone for any crime and let them come
> up with evidences to prove it otherwise? What a joke!
> In a civilized world, people don't accuse anyone without any beef to
> back it up. The court convicts people based on the substantial
> evidence,not what he says or she says. If no evidence, the court will
> just throw the suit away. So, I call on the RFA to show people in
> SCLers a beef and hopefully they check on their so called "ananymous"
> source first. Otherwise, stop inciting lao people to bite each other's
> head off. The cold war era has been long over and the old guard's
> mentality has to stop.
>
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thanouxay
Yes, I am a trained and professional Journalist. I have 23 years of
journalism behind me in working for a Newsw Agency. The basic Code of
Ethic of each and single journalist who is working under whatsoever
regime is Truth, Truth and Truth and truth based on Evidence and
Strong and Credible Source. If those two factors are lacking which are
Firm foundation of the Fact and Credible Source, than it is not
publishable or if the journalist take a personal responsibility to
publish it, and if it land in Court and if the news is basless, she/he
may be convicted for Defamation, Libel or Slander.
Sok dee
The Chosen One
I don't know what planet you're living in. But the judicial system
that I know of today is not like one in your planet.
Jerry
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> > PBL,
>
> > I did not know that your court system is this way. In your world,
> > you're saying that I can allege anyone for any crime and let them come
> > up with evidences to prove it otherwise? What a joke!
> > In a civilized world, people don't accuse anyone without any beef to
> > back it up. The court convicts people based on the substantial
> > evidence,not what he says or she says. If no evidence, the court will
> > just throw the suit away. So, I call on the RFA to show people in
> > SCLers a beef and hopefully they check on their so called "ananymous"
> > source first. Otherwise, stop inciting lao people to bite each other's
> > head off. The cold war era has been long over and the old guard's
> > mentality has to stop.
>
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samphong
> Dear Sieng1 and all,
>
> Yes, I am a trained and professional Journalist. I have 23 years of
> journalism behind me in working for a Newsw Agency. The basic Code of
> Ethic of each and single journalist who is working under whatsoever
> regime is Truth, Truth and Truth and truth based on Evidence and
> Strong and Credible Source. If those two factors are lacking which are
> Firm foundation of the Fact and Credible Source, than it is not
> publishable or if the journalist take a personal responsibility to
> publish it, and if it land in Court and if the news is basless, she/he
> may be convicted for Defamation, Libel or Slander.
Yong, if indeed you call yourself a "professional journalist," then an
TRUTH is what you're interested in...then how to do you explain the
stories as well as images (TRUTH) from BBC reporters (Ruhi Hamid and
Misha Maltsev), from the New York Times (Thomas Fuller), the
International Herald Tribune (Tomas Van Houtryve), or others Roger
Arnold? Please, Yong, you're a journalist...give us some "Evidence,
Strong and Credible Source" to the contrary.
For example, explain how you, a professional journalist, and now the
U.N. Ambassador to the U.N., continue to deny the existence of the
following truth?
http://www.photoshelter.com/c/rogerarnold/gallery/LAOS-Still-A-Secret-War/G0000SS8nTHyxNks/
Here's another truth, as posted by your own so-called "media" of the
KPL:
"The mass media at all times are involved in the Party strategy and
tactics...The Lao Journalists' Association also took steps in urging
journalists to serve the country and people, being Party and
Government announcers, disseminating policies and motivating the
people to implement two strategic tasks: development and the country's
security and protection."
Real professional journalist, Yong, do NOT act as "Party and
Government announcers , disseminating policies and motivating the
people." !!!
And another truth:
Yong Chanthalangsy, the Lao Ambassador to the U.N. is a famous
internet junkie bent on a propaganda campaign for the one-party
authoritarian regime ruled by the Lao People's Revolutionary Party of
the Hammer and Sickle nation of the Lao PDR?
How much credibilty do you have to stake any claim on TRUTH when the
above is a FACT?
NONE!
pizone
why you have to be sorry trying to be part of the commu team? hope
this isn't the second time you're rejected by the commu. i know lots
of kao-na people like you did anything to help the comming commu
during the 70's and end up their life in the commu jail or crossing
the Mekong river to become refugees.
the commu never trust people like you, they don't need you like
thanouxay said. beyourself phuan, freedom in any country isn't
perfect, but it's much much better than communism. support democracy
and freedom before it's too late when you reach 90 years old, like Lao-
Lu song, "khai-kor-tai borkhai-kor-tai..."
pizone
cwjmem
You are a professional trained Journalist for how to LIE, FABRICATE,
DENY to stay on the communist payroll. No benefit for the country
period! No journalist in this world is covering up for its bad
government like yours. Good journalists dig out for the truth.
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
> phuan,
>
> why you have to be sorry trying to be part of the commu team? hope
> this isn't the second time you're rejected by the commu. i know lots
> of kao-na people like you did anything to help the comming commu
> during the 70's and end up their life in the commu jail or crossing
> the Mekong river to become refugees.
>
> the commu never trust people like you, they don't need you like
> thanouxay said. beyourself phuan, freedom in any country isn't
> perfect, but it's much much better than communism. support democracy
> and freedom before it's too late when you reach 90 years old, like Lao-
> Lu song, "khai-kor-tai borkhai-kor-tai..."
>
> pizone
Oh! stop it Pizone, I hope Thanouxay do right thing for his job
because it is rare to see the communist authority go around tell
people in freeworld not to do or not to be, as you know SCL
is a property of Laonork USA.
Caught me off guard is how many time Phubaolao tell story
on RFA every time come up nothing and how do i know this
time he get something? The reason why i throw more trash on
Fuvaolao is to make him mad, to exercise his heart,
perhaps keep him healthy and survive the winter...
yawgnomdub
learn fast and will fit to yong job soon.
I already tell you couple months ago that, when the hmong jump on you,
you feel hurt, when they turn you down you fell shame and if they jump
on you again, you will shame forever. This is the thirth time already
my friend. We are part of the free world and will not fit to the
communist system at all. Do not forget, I say stay healthy when you
still breath.
KC
Please don't put to much pressure on Laophuan, I afraid that he will
do some thing ridiculous. If so, that will not look good for his
family and all of us.
Please be kind to Laophuan.
Most sincerely,
KC
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
For someone with a profile that saids you have a good heart, you are
showing a little mean streak here aren't you? 5555
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
authority, but they can't stop me from love my country and my family
in Laos...
thanouxay
Between Laos and China:
This is called: Solidarity among Comrade-in-Arm.
Between Lao Phouan and Laos:
It is Patriotism due to Blood Relations.
Sok dee
On Nov 9, 12:51 am, ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> laophuan,
>
> the Lao PDR asked the chinese who are going to be guests at the SEA
> games to build the sport complex for a land concession. how do we call
> that? HOST ASKING GUEST FOR MONEY?
>
> do you do any serious thinking before you jump up and down to defend
> the Lao PDR regime?
>
> On Nov 8, 11:03 am, ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ <phet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ton (water to ice) Sorphor-Torlair Park-pen....etc..
> > I think you still remember that your parent told you when any guest
> > at home never fight, never ask for money or showing hungry?- Hide quoted text -
ກາສາລາວ
the china foray into laos is more than ideological. the country is
poised to become a super power by the middle of this century. so it
needs all the resources to sustain its growth. laos is just part of
the grand but subtle scheme.
now on LAOPHUAN, the diehard laodaeng supporter from his comfortable
chair in sacramento, one thing i can say is that he knows how to twist
things just to make people fall off their chairs. there are some basic
stuff that he doesn't seem to grasp the full meaning such as freedom.
i believe that all laonork and laonai are patriots but most of us out
here are against communism. the system is totally foreign to our lao
tradition and culture.
samphong
member of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party knows it too, including
Yong. That's why it's so hard for him to admit or acknowledge the
basic facts presented to him in these forums. And of course, there is
a lot to gain from flying the Hammer and Sickle...a thin smoke screen
for the masses, while the party leaders and bureaucrats enrich and
hoard the riches of capitalism...and becoming the very people whom
they loath, drove out, imprisoned, tortured, and killed...in the name
and ideology of Communism, something they don't really believe or
practice...but a convenience and excuse for a life of luxury, excess,
elitism, and ironically, the kind of absolute rule that resembles
monarchy, however outdated and irrelevant.
KC
I am glad that you ok.
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
> On 7 Nov, 12:41, ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ <bao...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > More detail:
>
> >http://www.amerilao.org/index.php?page=forum&op=viewThread&id=999
>
> arrested. If they are perfect them they should tell the true and
> explain the reason of arrested.
>
> How can dr. pao also in there and have no voice about this arrest at
> all. Is he and his friend are in the planning of arrest as well.
People protesting and people getting arrested for protesting are
common in many countries, US included. If people did get arrested, so
what?
yawgnomdub
> People protesting and people getting arrested for protesting are
> common in many countries,
In usa or other free world, when they arrested people who protest,
they never deny or lie. They tell the world and put in the new that
how many people got arrested and tell the reason why they got
arrested. LPDR is completelying different, they keep deny and deny
like nothing happen.
> US included. If people did get arrested, so
> what?
In usa they only arrested the person who broke thae law. I do not see
people broke the law in lao. May be they plan to protest but they
still not protest yet, why they got arrested? As I concern, people
have the right to protest as long as they do not broke the law and no
one have the right to arrested them.
cwjmem
China has 50 + ethnic groups. Take the direction China is going right
now, the riches are richer and the poors are poorer and no social
systems implemented to protect and to care the poor, destitute, sick,
old chinese folks. No other nations should not worry. Industrial
diseases are on the rise, Chinise people are not happy with its own
government and its will kill itself off someday. China is on the blink
of following Soviet Union. Modern arms and army cannot stop people
powers to break up into mini countries. Laos should learn how to
stand on its own feet and to take care of its own people.
What Lao Puan is dreaming about is that Ai Puan is toooo old and ugly
to find a wife in the US. His ultimate goal is to have his last dying
breath for Sao Na meo. Puan keep licking commie ass and hope LPDR
does not put this Puan on LPDR black list so he can have a one-way
ticket to the Land of his dream. Keep on kissing commie asses Puan!
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ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
What I meant by that "so what" was that why should LPRP hide the fact
if anyone was arrested.
You say you are "Big mouth with care" and "Urgly person with lovely
hearth". Can you talk to me without telling me to go back to school
please? Thank you. You talk to me with respect and I'll reply to you
with respect.
I don't want anyone to get arrested and I don't want anyone to lie. I
don't want anyone to accuse anyone of wrong doing. I just want the
country Lao and the Lao people to move forward, together. Right now
we have the LPRP in control, we have to work with that.
We have to work with what we have. Either that or you can over throw
them (which could mean more bloodshed for Lao), then you can make the
rules. Right now they are in control and you must play by their
rules, plain and simple.
The Chosen One
All,
This is a typical lao mentality which I called "bor tanh hen hee, wah
dai si leo". In translation - didn't even see the p*ssy yet but
claimed to have f*cked already. I am wondering what they would say if
they actually had gotten f*cked?
My point is the story has not been substantiated or proven yet that it
actually but you sounds as it already happened. Most of the judicial
systems like here in the US, all people are innocent until proven
guilty unless you're living under PBL's justice system where people
are guilty unless they can prove themselve that they're innocent.
Jerry,
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
55555 ຈະແມ່ນເວົ້າຄັກນໍ ຮິໆໆໆໆ
The Chosen One
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ເວົ້າໄປຕາມເນື້ອຜ້າຊື່ຯ,ອ້າຍ.
Jerry
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
ອ້າຍ? Oh my Kort I feel old now. 55555 I thought I am the youngest
poster in SCL.
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
"ເວົ້າໄປຕາມເນື້ອຜ້າ" lolz ຄັກ ຄັກໆໆໆ ຮິໆໆໆໆໆ
The Chosen One
It does not matter how long you have or had been in the job if you
don't stick with your principal of good ethics, integrity, and balance
reporting as a journalist. In this case, someone clearly did not do
the homework and just shot from the hip. i.e: Dan Rather as I had
mentioned before - who was a prominent evening news anchor for CBS and
who had been a reporter long before I was existed. He reported a false
story broadcasted thoughout the US about the late President Bush based
on a forged document given to him by a person who had bad motives for
Bush. Since he did not check the credential of the source or doing a
homework as I called it, he got fired from the job. Another example is
Peter Arnett of CNN who reported a false story about the operation
"tailwind" where the US govt supposedly had set up a special unit to
secretly incurse into Laos to poison or assasinate the US military
personels who defected to N. Vietnam. So, all of these stories were
bogus and both of them were fired from the job. Also, this is to show
you how transparent and accountable of the system that we have here.
Not 100% perfect but most of time we hold people accountable for their
actions. If RFA reporter did the same thing as Dan Rather and Peter
Arnett did, this reporter should be fired as well. But if he/she
reported it accurately, then you and DJK have to defend yourself and
your creditibity will no longer exist.
Also just a curiosity and a question to you, when this news was
circulating why no one from MOI or Vte police dept. did not come out
defend themselve? Or silence means acknowledging it???
Jerry
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ກາສາລາວ
ພາກັນ ລົມກັນໄປເລື້ອຍໆເດີ. ຜຂ ເອງຕອນນີ້ ຄາຂຸດຫອ້ງເໝືອງປ້ານຄັນນາ.
ປີນີ້ຫາກໍຄິດອອກເຮັດນາແຊງ.
tseemyeej
On Nov 10, 5:10 pm, The Chosen One <siengr1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Ambassador,
> Not 100% perfect but most of time we hold people accountable for their
> actions. If RFA reporter did the same thing as Dan Rather and Peter
> Arnett did, this reporter should be fired as well. But if he/she
> reported it accurately, then you and DJK have to defend yourself and
> your creditibity will no longer exist.
I really applaud you for the above statement, that's the tongue of an
intelligent person. On the other hands, if intelligent people like you
keeps defending the LPDR and not the suppressed people, then, don't
expect to see transparency in Laos soon. As far as we have seen, LPDR
have never admitted killing the Royal family neither the political
prisoners nor arrested those demonstrators back in 26 October 1999
and, of course, need not to mention their action against those ethnics
in the deep jungle of Laos.
ຊົມເຊີນ..ການປະຕິວັດໝັ້ນຍືນ!
ເຊີນຍີ້ມ.
bch
You must be retarded or stupid to equate the arrest of protestors in USA and
Lpdr! If you are so stupid, I like to let you know that in the US the
protestors who are arrested b/c they violate the meaning of peaceful
demontration/protest. Their punishments could be $100 fine or sort of...
and release. In Lpdr under your favorite regime the protestors would be put
in jail for long period, in some case disappeared!...
bch
"??????????" <lao...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0760f203-9cfa-4fe8...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 7, 1:47 pm, yawgnomdub <yawg...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
ນໍ້າໃຈລາວ XiangMieng
So i was croc hunting in vte too. if you have been there the last
2-3months vte is very tense, more check points, one would notice an
increased arm patrols at important places. due to news censorship, any
bad news you will not see it or hear about it at all as usual. there
are a lot rumors floating about, you almost feel like Laos in the
60-70. many 'bad elements' were attributed to drug and petty gangs.
increased in security was due to the just finished ASEAN ministers
meeting, now TL and upcoming SEAG.to say people are not being
arrested, only the authority can tell you, although some secondhand
reliable sources say that families are warned not to talk to foreign
media or say anything in fact. so it is coincidental that the 1999
students arrest were marked by more arrests and some of these people
will end up like the 1999/9, uncharged, unheard of, unrepresented
despite all their constitutional rights. does LPDR have reasons for
the clamp down? it appears so based on their intelligence of increased
activities or planned activities leading up to SEAG; or just paranoia.
how the table is turned!
On Nov 11, 2:19 am, "bch" <bancho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> tkm,
>
> You must be retarded or stupid to equate the arrest of protestors in USA and
> Lpdr! If you are so stupid, I like to let you know that in the US the
> protestors who are arrested b/c they violate the meaning of peaceful
> demontration/protest. Their punishments could be $100 fine or sort of...
> and release. In Lpdr under your favorite regime the protestors would be put
> in jail for long period, in some case disappeared!...
>
> bch
>
> "??????????" <laon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
bch
The Lpdr regime must be paronoid of the so called "bad elements" to level up
its security activities during this time...
Btw, who are the bad elements anyway?...
bch
"?????????? XiangMieng" <xiang...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:a9a7530f-1eb8-4e32...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
yawgnomdub
> What I meant by that "so what" was that why should LPRP hide the fact
> if anyone was arrested.
You should know why lpdr hide the fact, they do not want the world
community to know the bad, corruption of their government. They always
tell the good and hide the bad.
> I don't want anyone to get arrested and I don't want anyone to lie. I
> don't want anyone to accuse anyone of wrong doing. I just want the
> country Lao and the Lao people to move forward, together. Right now
> we have the LPRP in control, we have to work with that.
No body need to see the innocence people get arrest, that's why we
keep telling lpdr to stop the urgly agenda so we all can move together
but do they allow us all to move together, the answer is no.
> We have to work with what we have. Either that or you can over throw
> them (which could mean more bloodshed for Lao), then you can make the
> rules.
If they do not change and keep killing, torturing, and hiding, one day
I prety sure the people power will over throw them. Yong did said that
PEOPLE POWER IS STRONG, yes but people need to be fair government too.
> Right now they are in control and you must play by their
> rules, plain and simple.
Do they play by their rule, no. They just sign the UN human right law
that will allow the people have free speech, free religion, free
organize and the people still not yet protest but get arrest. Is this
play by the rule, you think about it.
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
On Nov 12, 6:23 am, yawgnomdub <yawg...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> On 10 Nov, 15:34, ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ <laon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What I meant by that "so what" was that why should LPRP hide the fact
> > if anyone was arrested.
>
> You should know why lpdr hide the fact, they do not want the world
> community to know the bad, corruption of their government. They always
> tell the good and hide the bad.
>
> > I don't want anyone to get arrested and I don't want anyone to lie. I
> > don't want anyone to accuse anyone of wrong doing. I just want the
> > country Lao and the Lao people to move forward, together. Right now
> > we have the LPRP in control, we have to work with that.
>
> No body need to see the innocence people get arrest, that's why we
> keep telling lpdr to stop the urgly agenda so we all can move together
> but do they allow us all to move together, the answer is no.
>
> > We have to work with what we have. Either that or you can over throw
> > them (which could mean more bloodshed for Lao), then you can make the
> > rules.
>
> If they do not change and keep killing, torturing, and hiding
Sounds like you're talking about the US government.
cwjmem
You see any Vang pao supporters rallied in these protests got arrested
in America?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTmnls1yiA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNuIUxG7aUk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxtR-_kmSSg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfnPp58fdtQ&feature=fvw
On Nov 12, 5:00 am, ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ <laon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 6:23 am, yawgnomdub <yawg...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds like you're talking about the US government.- Hide quoted text -
ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ
Let me see, just off the top of my head I can think of the IMF and WB
protesters getting arrested. The Bush protesters getting arrested.
VP and his leutenants getting arrested. The incidents at Ruby Ridge
and the Waco, TX. I'm sure I can find more if I actually looked for
them.