HMOOB/MOOB LUB NEEJ TSI NTEV YUAV LHOOV
tubntsu...@yahoo.com
HMOOB KAB KEV PAM TUAG LAWV TUA NTAU TUG TSIAJ ,NGAIJ NOJ TSI TAG
LOS YEEJ HAJ YAM TUA NTAU TUG TSIAJ NTXIV . MUAJ IB TXHIA YOG UA KOM
NEEG GHUAS , UA LI NO NE NEJ SAWV DAWS POM ZOO LI CAS ? VIM HMOOB LUB
NEEJ UA HEEV NPAUM LI NO LOS LUB NEEJ YEEJ TSI POM VAM MEEJ LI . TXOJ
KEV XYOM , TXOJ KEV KHI TE LI TEJ NO . KUV YEEJ UA TWB ZOO TAUG GAB TAG
ZOG RAU HMOOB TSEV NEEG NTAWD SEB PUAS YUAV TSHWM SIM TEJ YAM TXAWV
TXAV PLUA NUJ TOM NTEJ TAB SI, MA YEEJ TSI POM LHO LI . PUAS MUAJ NUJ
NGE TIAG ? KUV KUJ TSI PAUB VIM TSI TAU POM IB YAM TSHWM SIM .
TUBNTSUAGNOSHMOOB/MOOB
muastony
Qhov tua ntau tug tsaj tsis yog kaab ke, tabsi yog ua ntsej ua muag
xwb. Ua raw kaab ke muaj lev nuav: Cuab tsaav 1 tug, nam txiv dlaab 1
tug, pujnyaaj or muam phauj 1 tug, xov txiv dlaab, depend on how many
son or daughter in-law, and maybe 1 tug or 2 tug tua lug ua zaub xwb.
KUv xaav tas tej nam tej txiv thaum tseem muaj txuj sa nyob peb cov ua
tub ua nyaab, los ua ntxhais ua vauv yuav tau hlub, pub rua noj rua
hau, coj moog ua si kuam puj ntau lub teb chaw, ntau qhov chaw kws puab
ib txwm moog tsi txug, pub rua naav kuam zoo. Sib hlub sib saib thaum
tseem muaj txuj sa nyob, tsis yog twb tuag lawm ces maam txuj tua ntau
tug tsaj ua ntsej ua muag, maam noj maam hau taam le ua ib lub nam big
party. Tej nuav yuav tsis muaj qaab hau pes tsawg. This is my opinion.
Tony
tubntsu...@yahoo.com
MUASTONY , RAWS LI KUV TAU TWM HAUV PHAU NTAWV THE BIRTH OF
CHINA NWS HAIS TIA THAUM UB HMOOB/MOOB TUA COV TSIAJ NTAWV RAU TUG
TUAG , MOOB/HMOOB YEEJ TSI NOJ NGAIJ LI NIM NO PEB POM LAIV . THAUM
LAWV COJ TUS NEEG NTAWD MUS FAUS KIAG LAWV MAM LI TUA COV TSIAJ THIAB
MUAB COV TSIAJ FAUS NROG NCIG LUB NTXA XWB . KUV KUJ TSI PAUB TIA TOM
GAB NO E VIM LI CAS HMOOB/MOOB THIAJ UA TXAWV UA LUAJ LAWM .
HMOOB PUAS YOG TUAJ GUAJ TIAG TIAG RAU TUS TUAG NTAWD VIM
TXOJ KE TU TU SIAB HEEV THIAB SIB NCAIM LAWM TIAG TIAG . TAM LI KUV TAU
MUS POM NTAU LUB NTEES , KUV TXAV NYOB ZE ZE UA TWB ZOO MLOOG SEB YOG
GUAJ DAG LOS GUAJ TIAG , TAM LI KUV POM MAS HMOOB/MOOB COV GUAJ DAG
MUAJ TXOG 50 % kuv yuav tsis piav , COV GUAJ TIAG TIAG MUAJ TXOG 50 % .
yog li kuv pom tau tia hmoob/ moob ua lub neej dag yuav lub ntsej lub
muag heev dua ghov tshwm tawm hauv lub siab tseeb ua ghov tseeb .
TUBNTSUAGHMOOB
Paajnruagyaaj
tsi ntshaw koj kua haus, bla, bla, bla...." le ntawd xwb mas.
pdy
csy...@hotmail.com
Thaum ub peb Hmoob tuag kuj yog tua tsiaj muaj qab hau thiab pam tuag
los muaj qab hau tiam sis peb cov nyob Melikas ces tsis muaj lawm laud.
Kev tuag yog kev lom zem, kev ua luam thiab kev ua kom tau ntsej tau
muag xwb os. Tua kom ntau xwb, noj tsis tas muab pov tseg kuj tau.
Tsis tas li ntawd, yog mus pab luag ua ib txoj hauj lwm dab tsi los
tsis yog pab dawb hos mus ua hauj lwm yuav nyiaj xwb os. Kuv muaj ib
tug kwv tij mas tos ntsoov saib leej twg yuav tuaj hu kom nws mus ua
kav xwm thiab ua tub coj xai xwb vim ua li ntawd mas tau nyiaj. Koj
txhob vam tias yuav hu tau nws noj mov thaum weekend li laud. Nws yeej
nyob tos yuav mus tsev tuag saib paus tau ib yam dab tsi xwb hos.
Kev quaj hnyiav mas thaum ub zoo li tu siab thiab nyaj yuav quaj tiag
tshaj 50% tiam sis nyem no ces xyov puas muaj 10% lawm os. Sawv daws
twb tau tau zoo es quaj ua dab tsi nas. Thaum twg quaj ces yog quaj
dag kom tau ntsej muag xwb thiab mas.
csy
Paajnruagyaaj
lub caij kws txiv cojxai foomkom yuav taag mas luas yeej tig moog has
zaaj sis ncaim zag kawg ua rua nwg lub kua muag sis tw poob. Ua ntej
kws txiv cojxai has yuav taag nwg tub xaav tau tej lug kws nwg yuav
moog nyav tawm sis thaus txiv cojxai has taag nrho es suav dlawg dlhau
vig voog moog sis txeeb nyav, nwg phoom phoom moog txug peg na nwg ca
le nov qaab tej nam lug kws nwg yuav nyav ntawd taag lawm. Ua rua nwg
tsis paub cuab suab ces kua muag txawm ca le tu huv si lawm hab. Nws
tsis pum qaab ua le caag ces txawm rov lug nyob tau muag nrhov ca..
hehehehehehe...
pdy
tubntsu...@yahoo.com
COV PHOOJ YWG HMOOB/MOOB , TSI TAG LE NO XWB YOG NEJ TAUG GAB
LUB NTAS TUAG NTAWD THAUM PIB TXOG RAU THAUM KAWG , NEJ YUAV POM TAU
TIA TSEV NEEG HMOOB/MOOB NTAWD TSIS YOG LAWV GUAJ NTSUAG TAU TXAIS
TXOJ KEV NTXHOV LUB SIAB XWB , LUB SIJ HAWM THAUM LAWV UA NOJ UA HAUS
XA ZAUB MOV MUS RAU TOM TSEV TXIA , LAWV HAUJ LWM NTAU LI NTAU TSIS
MUAJ CAIJ SO SIB CEG SIB YWS UA POJ NIAM TUB SE NYUAJ SIAB , CHIM SIAB
, NTXHOV NYOS . LAWV TEJ POJ NIAM MAS LUB KUA MUAG MA MUAB ZAIS XWB .
PEB HMOOB/MOOB KEV SIB LHUB UA CAS TSIS MUAB PUB RAU THAUM TSEEM
MUAJ TXOJ SIA NYOB . YUAV TUAJ TUA TSIAJ NOJ TUA TSIAJ HAUS RAU TUS
NEEG NTAWD KUJ YUAV YOG LUB SIJ HAWM ZOO NKAUJ DUA , NWS TSEEM YUAV TAU
IB PLAB TSAU GAB NGAIJ NOJ . THAUM TUAG LAWM , UA CAS SAWV DAWS YUAV
MUAB NTSEEG TAU YUAM KEV NTAU UA LUAJ LI , YOG MUAB CIA NTEV ZOG SAWV
DAWS YEEJ POM TAU TIA TUS NEEG NTAWD YUAV LWJ MUS XWB .
KUV POM PEB HMOOB/MOOB LUB NEEJ YEEJ UA TIG ROV GAB TAG TAG LI .
ZAJ TWG DAG , HMOOB/MOOB MLOOG LUS DUA.
ZAJ TWG TIAG NO HMOOB/MOOB TSI NTSEEG
YUAV THAIJ DUAB NROG , UA LI CAS THAUM TSEEM MUAJ TXOJ SIA NYOB
HO TSI THAIJ . THAUM MUAB TSO HAUV LHEB LAWM NO CE COV ME NIAM THAIJ
UA LUAJ .
YOG SAWV DAWS MUAB GHEB KOM RAUG SIJ HAWM , IB TUG TUAJ SAIB TAG
IB TUG LAWV GAB SAIB UA TXOJ KEV TSHUA THIAB TXOJ KEV NCO PUAS YUAV ZOO
DUA UA GHOV REALITY TIAG TIAG . NOV YOG KUV XAV XWB .
TUBNTSUAGHMOOBRUAM
csy...@hotmail.com
thiab nyob li 2 blocks ntawm tsev tuag. Nws hais tias txij nkaus lub
Friday mus txog ntua hnub Sunday tsaus ntuj ces nws yeej tsis ua mov
noj li no as. Nws mus hauv tsev tuag xwb ces txeev noj li no lawv.
Nws hais tias vim tsis yog tib tsev neeg tuag tas mus li, hos ntau ntau
yim tuag ces yeej tsis muaj leej twg paub tias yus yog leej twg li no
nad. Luag xyom cuab tsuas xav tias yus yog ib tug kwv tij neej tsa
tuaj zov tuag thiab xwb no ces yus rau siab ntso noj xwb no. Dua li
ntawd los yus yeej yog mus nrog lawv zov tuag thiab ces yeej qualify
noj lawm thiab no nev.
csy
Tsujsua Dluag
kev tshav ntuj, tsi yog tua los rau luag qhua...tua los ua kev hu yus,
tsi yog tua los vim yus xav tua....
muaj 3 yam tsiaj tua...
1) nyuj
2) npua
3) qaib
nyuaj yog cov sawv thawv los tua...example: niam txiv dab, cuab tsav,
xov txiv dab etc..
npua..feem ntau yog los tua zov hmo....and/or cov txooj qhua tua tuaj
zov hmo...
cov qaib yog tua thaum tuaj ua qhua...
however, within cov cows/twm uas tua ntawd, muaj 3 yam thiab....
1) you have to kill...kill los sawv thawv..
2) tua ua kev tshav ntuj (pub dawb...)
3) tua vim tsi muaj nqaij lawm....
kuv xav tias there's only 3 reasons why so many cows/twm are killed.
there is no other reason to kill..except those 3..
remember, tua cows/twm won't make hmong vam meej....but it does show
obligation and love...
yaweh
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Born2beHmong Jan 12, 9:29 am show options
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hmong
From: "Born2beHmong" <truelove_never...@yahoo.com> - Find messages by
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Date: 12 Jan 2005 09:29:33 -0800
Local: Wed,Jan 12 2005 9:29 am
Subject: Re: Search for a new Way for Hmong Funeral Service
Iha yaweh and all hmong sch,
qhov kuv ntshaws thiab xav kom tawm tswvyim coj los coj cov hmoob lawm
tom ntej no mas yog li no. ib vim cov coob thiab cov paub ntaub paub
ntawv ces yuav tsi paub kev cais qabqhua zoo li lawm...xwb li kuv kiag
thiab ntag. tabsi kuv yuav tsi tso hmoob txoj kev li kev cai no tseg
txog hnub tsi muaj ib tug hmoob li lawm es kuv ib leeg lawm xwb ua tsi
muaj chaws mus lawm aws.
qhov kom tawm tswvyim no, tsi yog tawm los rau txhua txhua tus hmoob
siv, tabsi cov ua paub tab thiab kawm txawj kawm ntse tom ntej no, peb
yuav tau los sibsaus li ib pab neeg christian thiab western religious.
peb yuav tau coj los qhia rau peb tej me tub me nyuam thiab peb tus
kheej, coj los qhia rau cov kwv cov tij, tsi tag li ntawv, tej lau
thiab tej hlob yuav tso peb tseg lawm zujzus tsi ntev. kuv, koj, peb,
thiab nej sawv daws twb yog cov yuav los tuav txoj hau kev no lawm tom
ntej ntag. peb yuav tau plan qhov ua peb yuav siv thiab yuav ua kom
more simplify tau rau peb haivneeg Hmoob. los yog peb yuav tau reform
rau cov ua yuav kam los ua thiab ntseeg peb txoj kev li kev cai no
ntag. tsi yog yuav ua rau txhua txhua tus hmoob, peb ua ib yam li tej
church teb chaw no xwb. leej twg xav kawm txog, nkag los, thiab paub
txog los, qhia rau kom hos tau rau lawv thiab hos pab txos txoj kev ua
peb sib tham no kom hos tsawg thiab zoo duas qhov peb niaj hnub no ua
lawm aws.
xwb li Yaweh hais rau nws previous post lawm ne.
muaj 4 yam thiaj li essential rau peb hmoob lub ntee tuag thiab txoj
kev li kev cai xwb. qhov no xwb li kuv pom thiab kuv txoj kev xav, ua
kuv pom dhau los thiab li Yaweh hais. kuv lub tswvyim propose thiab xav
hais tias lub neej tom ntej no, ua tej laus thiab hlob ua paubdab
paubqhua tso peb tseg tag lawm....kuv tus kheej kiag, yog tsi txos tej
kev cai no es thaum kuv paub tsi txog hais tias xyov yog li cas lawm
ces kuv los yeej hais caj nraim ntag, yuav cias li convert mus ua
christian es kom simplify kuv lub neej thiab lub neej tom ntej rau tej
me tub me nyuam lawm ntag nawb. hauv kuv lub siab kiag los kuv yeej
niaj hnub xav ntsoov li ntawv. yog li ntawv thiaj li xav hais tias,
txoj kev peb hmoob ua kev li kev cai dabqhua no, yog ib yam ua los
honor thiab respect peb niam thiab peb txiv tshaj txhua haivneeg. yog
lino peb yuav tau coj los khaw cias rau txhua tiam tom ntej....es yuav
tau muab coj los kho kom simple li luag lwm haivneeg thiab vim peb
vammeej lawm.
after read all the posts and saw on my eyes...no yog kuv li tswvyim.
1. taws ke, peb yuav tsum muaj
2. zaj qeej tusiav peb yuav tsum muaj
3. zaj qeej zwm rau hauv lub hleb los yog saum tus nee yuav tsum muaj
4. peb yuav tsu tso txoj ke ua hauvqhua tseg thiab lub rooj los noog ub
noog no, vim niam no peb lub neej muaj dhau hwv lawm--tsi tag noog
lawm, yeej muab ub muab no ntau tshaj qhov ua lawv paub xav paub lawm.
tsi tag li xwb, nyob rooj teb no muaj dhau hwv lawm, tej animal los tsi
muaj neeg noj lawm, tuas me ntsi los ua zaub ua mov rau cov kwv tij
neej tsa noj xwb. nyob teb chaws no lawm, leej twg los noj nqaij ua
hnub ua hmo xwb tsi zoo li yavntuj qubqab lawm. es muab coj los ua
visitation ua kom tuaj pom tus tuag lawm xwb.
5. peb yuav tau modify txivxaiv into a shorter version......rewrite
into a best verse as bible.....for our hmong..and reduce the timing,
allow family members to talk about the life long of the decease.
6. visitation and zajqeej sawv ke, coj mus zais lawm xwb
7. kev zov hmo los yuav tau tso tseg lawm thiab, vim niam no, tus tuag
ntawv tsi nyob hauv vaj hauv tsev lawm...nyob tim hospital thiab tom
funeral home lawm xwb. kom leej niam leej txiv tuag los, lub vaj lub
tsev tsi ntuag....li tej laus hais lawm.
this amount to the hours as below...
open 8am on saturday: taws ke, qeej tusiav, thiab zwm rau hauv hleb;
end at 6pm. total 10 hours
open 8am on sunday: visitation, family members speak and txivxaiv; end
at 4pm. total 8 hours
open 8am on Monday: qeej sawv ke coj mus zais; end at 11am. total 3
hours
very nice, simple, and sweetie....it meets all the essential part of
Hmong way of life. and, this is only my opinioin...txhob xav li cas,
vim peb sib tawm tswvyim los xyua peb hmoob lub neej xwb. yog leej twg
hos paub thiab xav li cas los, thov txhob cem thiab hais lus phem, qhov
kom muab nws qhov honest opinion thiab kwv txawj kev ntse los qhia rau
peb es peb thiaj li paub hais tias lub neej yav pegsuab rau peb
haivneeg yuav mus zoo li thiab coj zoo li cas rau txoj kev vammeej.
thanks in advance.
Born2beHmong
Tsujsua Dluag
but if you want simplicity...there is a shorter way...
no funeral is needed....skip the funeral....just bury the dead...and
tso plig xwb...tso plig is one night...and half a day...done...and easy.
qhov mentioned above yog plig pam...yog tias tsi yog plig pam ces,
one morning is fine....i have seen everything...and yus tiag yog ces
yog xwb....
yog tias yuav mus nug txog tej tus tibneeg li lauj, sim neej no es, nws
twb tsi tau paub xyov pam tuag yog dabtsi...what advice can such a
person
give? yog yauv pauv, yuav tsum nug cov kws nqig tes ua lawm, pauv
los thiaj li tseg tau cov tseem ceeb....
if you want to pam, then 1) qhuab ke 2) qeej tu siav 3) nce neeg/zwm
xab 4) sawv kev....and done...one day should cover it...
Tsujsua Dluag
kuv kuj tsi paub xyov lwm tus yuav hais li cas...temsis cov laus qhia
peb mas..lawd tias "in everything you do relating to hmong religion,
yus tias yog ces yog xwb....tsi pub ntsuav ncauj tias...oh oh, xob ua
li kod tsi yog lawm.."..tej laus yeej hais li no....yog muab tshum
kiag lawm ces puag kiag lawm...ua dub muag txws...yus tias yog ces yog..
temsis...nowaday..i do see people do things to "please" and get
"recognition".
like to told anyone..."kuv yog vauv, kuv tsi kam tua nyuj..." its not
my place...however, if they are running out of meat, then i will do it
los paub lawd...
lha
qhov no ces peb yeej sib cav txaus rau hau sch lawm. Nyob ntawm yus
nyiam xwb. Leejtwg hov tso tsis tau tej no tseg los cia lawv ua lawv
mus.
Lub sijhawm mam li qhia rau peb seb 20 xyoo tom ntej no Hmoob pos yuav
hloov tau.
lha
pyh...@hotmail.com
lawm mog
lha
yog tias yus tsis ruam tshaj aub no, kuj piav los seb yus qhov hov zoo
li cas?
Yog yus yog ib tug neeg ntse no yuav tau qhia rau cov ruam, txhob cem
uag mog.
lha