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Have to kill kids for parents when they die?
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Pajnplaimcua
Feb 4, 2012, 4:33:26 AM2/4/12
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Peter said that when a parent dies then the kids have to kill cows.
If someone doesnt have money to buy cows they have to kill there kids?
I never heard of this before.
If someone doesnt have money to buy cows they have to kill there kids?
I never heard of this before.
Tony
Feb 4, 2012, 5:25:34 AM2/4/12
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Don't let that bothers you. It's the grown up's showing off, flexing
their words of mouth, to show their power with each other. It's cruel
and uncaring act at the moment of the death of the parent, which
mentally forces the closest kinsman to get on his knee to bail the
child out, lose face, or else the child will be the sacrificial cow.
I have not seen a case where the kinsman just shut their eyes, block
their hearing, and let the in-law from the mother's side take the
child and tie him or her up at the sacrificial stake. But, I have seen
such action worked, because the kinsman (kinsmen) were not going to
risk the loss of face, so they bailed the child out by helping the
morning family. A cow was bought and sacrificed in the child's
place. The in-law was happy and the kinsman keep his face.
It worked in the old world. It is still working in this new world as
well. That is why the leader of the group or clan so very much
counsel everyone to be good, meaning that no one should be fooling
around or be irresponsible, because the consequence is great (losing
face). And yet you will have one, who cares so very much and one, who
is irresponsible. There is also one, who was unfortunate as the
saying go, wrong time, wrong place, and could not help himself at that
moment in time. Some deserves it as the American society goes
(individualism society) but not in the Hmong world (family and clan
oriented society).
their words of mouth, to show their power with each other. It's cruel
and uncaring act at the moment of the death of the parent, which
mentally forces the closest kinsman to get on his knee to bail the
child out, lose face, or else the child will be the sacrificial cow.
I have not seen a case where the kinsman just shut their eyes, block
their hearing, and let the in-law from the mother's side take the
child and tie him or her up at the sacrificial stake. But, I have seen
such action worked, because the kinsman (kinsmen) were not going to
risk the loss of face, so they bailed the child out by helping the
morning family. A cow was bought and sacrificed in the child's
place. The in-law was happy and the kinsman keep his face.
It worked in the old world. It is still working in this new world as
well. That is why the leader of the group or clan so very much
counsel everyone to be good, meaning that no one should be fooling
around or be irresponsible, because the consequence is great (losing
face). And yet you will have one, who cares so very much and one, who
is irresponsible. There is also one, who was unfortunate as the
saying go, wrong time, wrong place, and could not help himself at that
moment in time. Some deserves it as the American society goes
(individualism society) but not in the Hmong world (family and clan
oriented society).
cwjmem
Feb 4, 2012, 11:14:02 AM2/4/12
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kid for their parents when they die. Hmong traditional funeral is that
we can do without killing a cow, A rooster (guide the deceased soul),
and a pig (used mounting the deceased soul to his/her house) must
have. Cow can be optional if the family is very poor.
Pajnplaimcua
Feb 5, 2012, 5:09:01 PM2/5/12
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So its all for show and no one actually did it in the past?
Hmong-Lao
Feb 6, 2012, 12:26:24 PM2/6/12
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Nws yog ib lo lus hem neeg xwb. Yog nws nrhiav tsis tau nyuj tiag tiag
los, yeej tsis muaj leej twg muaj cuab kav muab nws khi rau nram tswg,
thiab muab nws tua rau tus tuag. Tabsis txog txij tej kwvtij lossis
muamphauj siv lo lus no los hem ces luag yeej pom hais tias nws lam
kwv nyom tsis kam tua nyuj xwb. Lawv yeej paub hais tias nws muaj,
thiab lawv yeej paub hais tias nws tsim nyog tua nyuj rau niam rau
txiv, tabsis yog nws qhia dub xwb.
Kuv paub muaj ib case, tus tub sau tsis kam tua nyuj rau nws txiv
tshiab, ces muam phaum thiaj tau siv lo lus hais tias "tag kis yog koj
nrhiav tsis tau nyuj khi nram tswg, ces peb muab koj khi nram tswg
xwb". Case no, niam sau txiv sau (niam ntxawm txiv ntxawm) coj nws los
tu thaum nws tseem mos mos liab; mam coj los noj niam sau lub mis
hlob. Hmoov tsis muaj, txiv sau ho tso lub ntiaj teb tseg thaum nws
tseem yau lawm. Cov kwvtij thiaj li muab niam sau txis rau ib tug kwv
uas yog kwvtij sib com xwb, ces tus txiv sau tshiab no mam los nrog tu
nws loj hlob thiab muab nyab rau. Tabsis 30 xyooo tom qab no, cuab
kwvtij rov qab los kho txog kev sib hu tsis txum phaj. Ces thaum
ntawd, tus txiv sau tshiab poob los nrog tus tub sau tib phaj lawm
xwb. Thaum no, tus tub sau tau lo lus no los kwv nyom, tsis kam tua
nyuj rau txiv tshiab. Tej kwv tij thiab muam phuaj yeej paub hais tias
nws muaj nyuj thiab yeej yog lub luag uas nws yuav tsum thaj tsob niam
tu txiv tu lub ntees lawm, tsuas yog nws lam siv qhov nyuag ntawd los
lwv kom dim xwb. Lawv thiaj tau siv lo lus ua peb tham no rau nws.
Note: Cov tub uas tsis tau muaj nyab, luag yeej tsis yuam kom nws thaj
tsob nws niam nws txiv lub ntees. Tabsis tus tub uas niam thiab txiv
them nqi nyab rau lawm, ces nws yuav tau thaj tsob niam thiab txiv lub
ntees. Tabsis yeej yog based on qhov situation xwb. Yog tus tub thiab
tus nyab yeej muaj nyiaj, tabsis kwv nyom tsis kam pab lwm tus tub
thiab nyab nta niam thiab txiv lub ntees ces yeej yuav raug yuam li
qhov peb hnov ntawd ntag.
HL
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