4 Annette
da...@untiredwithloving.org
Could you find me recent reports on coastal fish and fishing in Haiti.
Also on fisheries and hatchery projects in Haiti.
Thanx
--DARA
Annette
Interesting topic DARA, did find some reading which you may find
interesting. Will pass-on any more info in the future as available on
that subject, also others on SCH may be able to help you out.
Copied:
FISHER ASSOCIATIONS EXCHANGE BETWEEN JAMAICA AND HAITI
HAITIAN FISHERS LOOK OUTWARDS: THE HAITI-JAMAICA FISHERS EXCHANGE
J. Wiener, Fondation pour la protection de la biodiversité marine,
Port au Prince, Haïti
BACKGROUND
In December 1996, UNESCO, through its unit on Coastal Regions and Small
Islands (CSI), organized a seminar in Haiti with the goal of gathering
local information and support for promoting the protection and
sustainable use of Haiti's coastal and marine resources. One of the
recommendations at the end of this meeting was that there be an
exchange of ideas among Haitian and Jamaican fishers in order to share
thoughts on "wise-practices" being developed in each country.
Two counterpart organizations helped to execute this programme: the
Caribbean Coastal Area Management Foundation (CCAM) in Jamaica, and the
Fondation pour la Protection de la Biodiversité Marine (FoProBiM) in
Haiti.
With the technical and financial support of UNESCO, the marine
transportation provided by the Jamaican Coast Guard, fuel provided by
Jamaican fuel companies, and the unflagging efforts of CCAM and
FoProBiM, the exchange was scheduled for 25 August to 5 September 1998.
The UNESCO Office (Haiti) as well as the Haitian National Commission to
UNESCO aided in channelling the request to obtain official government
approval from the relevant ministries for the entry of a foreign
military vessel into Haitian territorial waters. Arrangements were made
with Haitian immigration officials and the Port Authority to meet the
Coast Guard vessel upon arrival at its destination, Wahoo Bay Beach
Hotel, a few kilometres north of the village of Luly, as well as for
its departure from Haiti, and the return of the Haitians one week
later. The Jamaican consul helped with the speedy preparation of visas.
Participating Haitian villages were located in the Gulf of la Gonâve
and included: Grand Gonâve, Léogane and Janti along the southern
coast, and Mitan, Cont and Luly on the northern coast. Each of these
villages is represented in COOPECHE, the departmental fishing
federation, and each provided at least one participant. The Directors
of Fisheries and the Natural Resources Division of the Ministry of
Agriculture were invited, but were unable to participate due to prior
engagements.
OBJECTIVE OF THE EXCHANGE
The exchange was organized to provide an opportunity, for the fishers
and those engaged in activities directly related to fishing, to
exchange ideas on practices which may be of value to their island
neighbours, and to help stem continued resource destruction and
degradation. Hence, the basic function was an exchange of "wise
practices".
HAITIAN REACTION TO THE EXCHANGE
The Haitians who participated in the exchange were of the universal
opinion that this type of activity was extremely valuable in terms of
the exchange of ideas, methods, and the formation of friendships. They
felt that they had much to learn from the Jamaicans in terms of the
management of coastal and marine resources, and improving fishing
methods.
Discussion centred around the differences in government involvement in
resource management and protection. In Jamaica it was noted that there
is active participation by a large variety of private and public sector
institutions including the National Resource Conservation Authority
(NRCA) and the Jamaica Co-operative Union. The NRCA has taken its role
in regulation and management of marine resources seriously. On the
other hand, most Haitian institutions, be they public or private
(especially in the public sector), have, as some of the Haitian fishers
put it, "resigned their role as functioning bodies". In other
words, the Haitian fisher feels that she/he has been abandoned by the
government bodies which should be at the forefront of coastal and
marine management activities. Therefore the Haitian fishers feel that
it is up to them to organize themselves into bodies which will look out
for their own needs and play the regulatory role neglected by the
government.
The Jamaicans found many of the Haitian fishing methods archaic,
including the fact that most Haitians still have to row (scull) or sail
to fishing spots whereas almost every Jamaican fisher has access to at
least one outboard engine. One technique which almost brought out anger
on the part of the Jamaicans was the fact that sometimes nets are laid
out for up to three days in Haiti, this was thought to be almost
criminal by the Jamaicans; who usually lay out their nets for no more
than three hours. The waste caused by the Haitian method is often
significant whereas with the Jamaican method it is reduced to a
minimum. The Haitians were very impressed with the size of the Jamaican
mangrove areas visited. They began to understand the true impact of
Haitian pollution on other countries with the discovery of Haitian
trash on several beaches in Jamaica.
The fishpots observed were quite similar to those made in Haiti except
that the traps in Haiti are made almost entirely of bamboo, while those
in Jamaica are structured in wood but are covered with chicken wire.
One factor that particularly interested the Haitians was the NRCA's
choice of fishers themselves to be game wardens; to manage and protect
the fisheries. The Haitians were very interested in having this type of
activity in Haiti; but with serious institutional weaknesses in both
the Fisheries Division of the Ministry of Agriculture, and in the
Ministry of Environment, engaging in this type of activity in Haiti
will remain a remote possibility for the foreseeable future. The
Haitian fishers did comment on such things as having all fishers
registered with the Ministry of Agriculture. This is already required
by law but has never been enforced.
The Haitians were impressed by the style and capabilities of the
Jamaican fishing boats, and are interested in acquiring one for trials
in Haiti.
Many of the co-operatives or associations in Haiti participate in
several different types of activities in their local communities, i.e.
in schools, in churches, and providing loans. The Jamaican
co-operatives do not get involved in the marketing of fish; they
concentrate on the sale of fishing materials. The Haitians took note of
the possibility of having the Haitian co-operatives concentrate their
efforts more on one activity (fishing).
A Jamaican fishers insurance programme was discussed at the meeting,
held in the Portland Bight Fisheries Management Council (PBFMC).
Considerable interest was shown by the Haitian fishers regarding the
possibility of having a similar type of programme designed in Haiti.
However, this programme is still in the stage of having "its bugs
worked out" in Jamaica. Hence, it is believed to be wiser to wait
until a properly functioning programme is developed in Jamaica, which
the Haitians may then modify to their own needs.
RECOMMENDATIONS/FOLLOW-UP ACTIONS
Notes taken by participants are to be distributed at the next meeting
of their respective associations;
Fishers were interested in seeing a continuation of this type of
activity with the help of UNESCO (CSI);
Preparation of a plan in order to increase enforcement of fishing
regulations by the MARNDR (Ministry of Agriculture - Haiti);
Follow-up on the possibilities of a bi-national programme with UNEP.
Inquiries should be made into the possibilities of:
an insurance programme for the Haitian fishers;
modifications of the Haitian fishers co-operative or association
structure for a more targeted approach aimed specifically at
fisheries-related issues;
having Jamaican fishers come to Haiti again in order to help improve
certain fishing techniques;
increasing the participation of women in fishing-related activities,
especially marketing;
obtaining a Jamaican fishing boat for trials in Haiti.
da...@untiredwithloving.org
I watched the Haitians fish on shore and off shore, there was no fish
around Port-Au-Prince and way around the city,
I also did not see any fish sold around Cape Hatian.
I believe the Haitian waters are Plankton rich, the devastation is due
to over fishing.
I let you know soon why I asked.
--DARA
Gwo Mango
da...@untiredwithloving.org wrote:
> Salaam and thank you
>
> I watched the Haitians fish on shore and off shore, there was no fish
> around Port-Au-Prince and way around the city,
>
> I also did not see any fish sold around Cape Hatian.
>
> I believe the Haitian waters are Plankton rich, the devastation is due
> to over fishing.
>
> I let you know soon why I asked.
>
> --DARA
>
Hi Dara...good to see your still at it and fighting for the people, as
always!!
For your info, it is commonly known that the reef around the gulf near
Port-au-Prince and most of the coastline has died. This is the basis of
fish life and since there is no reef (living) then there is no fish. It
has been famously documented by Jaques Cousteau (when he was still
alive) with footage of the damage to the reef by what he suspects was
by "choking" the reef with runoff from the mountainous land devoid of
trees (you may be able to find his documentary on this). The topsoil
and all matter washed into the sea and killed the reef, cutting off the
basic supply for life cycle of fishery.
That said, there is fish but one would have to go to other areas...or
in deeper waters or to Ile de la Gonave...but watchout for locals! They
don't take kindly to other fisherman off their shores...
m.
da...@untiredwithloving.org
Thanx that was very useful. Do you or Annette know if anyone measured
the PLANKTON populations around Haiti's waters?
FYI the new caged-fish, open-sea, technologies & management can solve
the fish problem in Haiti. The investments required are substantial, in
millions, but not impossible.
I am studying the matter for some other business clients, perhaps I can
share later.
--DARA
Capt.Doug
> That said, there is fish but one would have to go to other areas...or
> in deeper waters or to Ile de la Gonave...but watchout for locals! They
> don't take kindly to other fisherman off their shores...
Compared to South Florida, Haiti's offshore fishing isn't so bad. South
Florida is fished out. I went fishing last year east of San Domingue, DR. We
ran out all of 2 miles offshore and caught plenty of dolphin (not propoise
for you northerners).
D.
leone
> Compared to South Florida, Haiti's offshore fishing isn't so bad. South
> Florida is fished out. I went fishing last year east of San Domingue, DR. We
> ran out all of 2 miles offshore and caught plenty of dolphin (not propoise
> for you northerners).
Capt. Doug,
South Florida isn't fished out. I went fishing one day this May out of
Jupiter and caught a 56 pound cobia and a 47 pound one. I think the 56
pound one still stands as the largest cobia ever caught by a Haitian
woman in Palm Beach County, Florida !!
: ) L.
annick
mais vraie du champignon rouge qui régénérait les sols! c'est ça ou
je me trompe?
leone ha escrito:
da...@untiredwithloving.org
It is called the Lichen, all over the Kens Koff! Very red very
beautiful. They have an acid inside them and they digest the rock into
top-soil.
Once this red Lichen was all over Haiti:
>From Kens Koff, please note the reddish soil is not not soil it is the
Lichen
http://www.untiredwithloving.org/haiti_fungus1.jpg
http://www.untiredwithloving.org/haiti_fungus2.jpg
http://www.untiredwithloving.org/haiti_fungus3.jpg
http://www.untiredwithloving.org/haiti_fungus4.jpg
http://www.untiredwithloving.org/haiti_fungus5.jpg
http://www.untiredwithloving.org/haiti_fungus6.jpg
Pelerin 5, my house, where I took the TapTap:
http://www.untiredwithloving.org/haiti_fungus7.jpg
Please note that the yellow orange is the dead Lichen probably killed
by car exhaust gases.
I cant believe I was there.
I remember the lady who sold me peaches and jam in Kens Koff, she had
nothing for me to sit on, she brought me one of her dresses and I sat
on that on her stairs, which man has been honored like that?!!
Everything in her house was redish pinkish because of the Lichen.
Here in Jeddah they sell large peaches now, and I do not crave for
them, I want the little green ones she sold me. I ate them with bread,
cheeze and her jam and I was the happiest man ever.
Since I returned from Haiti, I do not want anything.
As soon as I learn more about the open-sea caged-fish hatechries I post
something.
--DARA
annick
dans ce lieu , la plus belle photo que j'aie jamais prise! celle d'un
paysan sur son cheval!Pour moi c'est l'image même de la noblesse!tu ne
peux pas imaginer à quel point!Je comprends ce jour-là que LÀ, on
doit pouvoir apprendre des choses essentielles.
da...@untiredwithloving.org ha escrito:
Gwo Mango
Damn!!! Good job Leone!!! Wooohooo...!! :-) How long did it take you to
land it? I assume you had some help and a very good captain, keeping
you in line with the mighty cobia!? Were you able to get 'em to
jump?...anyway, congrats.
I think Capn Doug is referring more to the commercial fishing,
particularly down by Keys where the last remaining (live) reef is. Of
course anyone can (and usually have to) go way offshore, find a channel
(weed line?) and trawl...
The problem is the reefs. I scuba dive and the reefs are pretty much
all dying, most are already dead (they turn grey/white) and the rest is
all sand. It's a global phenomenon actually but there's something
special about the Caribean basin...there's legends about this stuff
actually but there is indeed something special just south of the
Straits of florida.
m.
da...@untiredwithloving.org
Haitians did not allow me to mount the horse due to my size... they
said: Sir you are too big for the bony animal
--DARA
da...@untiredwithloving.org
I should learn soon how to scuba, and dive the Red Sea INSHALLAH. I
have the oddest feeling that I will be scuba diving around Cape Haitien
soon :) INSHALLAH
FYI, the Saudis are running fisheries in their backyars smack in the
heart of the desert harvesting tons of warm water fish. THAT can easily
be done in Haiti :)
Dear Gwo Mango, I sat in the desert nights past 7 months, gave it a
good thought: It doesn't matter what others think, what matters is for
I NOT TO GIVE UP!
It does not matter what others think. I hope to scuba with you soon in
Cape Haitien INSHALLAH.
--DARA
Gwo Mango
da...@untiredwithloving.org wrote:
> Salaam Mango
>
> I should learn soon how to scuba, and dive the Red Sea INSHALLAH. I
> have the oddest feeling that I will be scuba diving around Cape Haitien
> soon :) INSHALLAH
>
> FYI, the Saudis are running fisheries in their backyars smack in the
> heart of the desert harvesting tons of warm water fish. THAT can easily
> be done in Haiti :)
>
> Dear Gwo Mango, I sat in the desert nights past 7 months, gave it a
> good thought: It doesn't matter what others think, what matters is for
> I NOT TO GIVE UP!
>
> It does not matter what others think. I hope to scuba with you soon in
> Cape Haitien INSHALLAH.
>
> --DARA
Well I'm glad it took 7 months of desert nights to affirm your beleif
to never give up. That's very important to have such beliefs...! Of
course, I am not sure what it is that you wish to never give up...but I
like the ideas you have shared with us over the years. I have given
advice to my friends and family in Haiti, those who ask, that it is far
more important to make the commitment to either leave or stay than to
forever remain in between uncertainty and ungrounded...the greay areas
are for periods of transition and not meant for eternity. That is
reserved for black, or white...the realms of certainty and eternity,
whether in damnation or salvation.
That said, I will not be in Cap Haitian anytime soon but truly
appreciate the invite to dive the coast...Cap Haitien has some
beautiful dives I hear...maybe some day. Right now I am awaiting the
greatest gift of life...we expect our first child to arrive anyday now.
Our daughter will be the center of my attention for a while...but I
hope that this doesn NOT effect your desire to experience the waters of
our shores either way. Never give up...right? ;-) At least try
snorkeling. As for landlocked fisheries, I had the same thought a ways
back. Not sure why no one has done it yet...other than the obvious:
government interference, costs, corruption, complexity and aggravating
process for starting proper business, land....etc, etc...but it is
worth a try by someone...inshallah. A fish could feed many...
m. "take pictures of scuba trip...they make water proof dispocal
cameras now"
da...@untiredwithloving.org
I agree with you, either lead or follow or get out of the way, either
stay in Haiti or leave. For most people Haiti is just some crazy tiny
island, but for me she means something, something odd and peculiar and
I do not mean the beaches and the coconut and stuff like that, Haiti
has a meaning for me.
Question is: Should I explain to people, justify to people and please
people for them to understand what is the importance of Haiti for me?
Answer is: No. I leave it as I foud it, it is in my heart. Should we
spend the rest of our lives explaining things to people and beg them to
like Haiti?!
We can build a tiny prototype in some remote beaches of Haiti, when I
was on top of Citadel I saw a part of Haiti totally untouched, kinda
the opposite side of Milo (sp?) and Cape Haitian, meaning if you stood
on top of the Citadel the Cape Haitian would be behind you and then
there was this paradise, a huge drop of many hunreds of meters,
stretched into the sea and I could not see any sign of human
activities.
I accepted a position to serve on the board/management of a large
fishery in Red Sea, I will be more than glad to share whatever I learn,
contacts and etc.
If lovely Annette can dish-up the gas and temperature and chemical
analysis of the waters of Haiti, I can then determine which species are
suitable. Probably I will form a Yahoogroup to store my findings, you
will be invited is you care to.
I suggest, Asian warm salt water species that do not exist in your
waters. If you care, I have access to the latest shrimp/prawn farm
design and species, we can do a little plant for shrimp.
As far as the usual annoying gangester business in Haiti... If you like
Mango we can put on some suits and talk to some parties in US and
Haiti, to give us a break. It is possible, I have an ace on that one in
my pocket :) But cant tell you yet.
Congrats on the baby, may Allah find my Haitian little girl for me
--DARA
Annette
(Snip)
> If lovely Annette can dish-up the gas and temperature and chemical
> analysis of the waters of Haiti, I can then determine which species are
> suitable. Probably I will form a Yahoogroup to store my findings, you
> will be invited is you care to.
Thank you handsome DARA! :)
Did find some info in the writings of Jean Wiener in the link I have
passed-on last week :
and copied part of the article. He is also compiling a guide
containing all the practical and statistical information about the
fishing industry, the state of the country's 1,500 km coastline and
basic indices such as water temperature, salinity and bacteria.
http://www.unesco.org/csi/act/haiti/haitie.htm
jwi...@compa.net <jwi...@compa.net>
***Much of the data concerning research on Haiti's coastline is
scattered throughout the world, because specialists working in the
country have often taken their work with them. To counter this, Wiener
is setting up an information centre and bookshop, with books, surveys
and marine maps, for students, enthusiasts and anyone else who wants to
know more about coastal regions. He is also compiling a guide
containing all the practical and statistical information about the
fishing industry, the state of the country's 1,500 km coastline and
basic indices such as water temperature, salinity and bacteria
level.***
Hope this will help you and I do recommend you read the available
articles on the link
http://foprobim.org/FoProBiM%20Articles.htm
Fondation pour la Protection de la Biodiversité Marine
FoProBiM
annick
annick
da...@untiredwithloving.org
--DARA
da...@untiredwithloving.org
Wow thank :)
I reviewed an actual shrimp hatchery in Red Sea, and in all honestly I
cannot see why it cannot be duplicated in Haiti. Basically they walled
a 5 acr piece of land next to the sea, pomped sea water, spread the
shrimp babies an fed them regularly and then pomp the water out with
tons of shrimp. no complications whatsoever! It is opertaional and easy
to expand.
To secure the site is no problem, impossible to tamper with and a far
location can be selected.
The equipment is mostly for processing the shrimp i.e. cleaning and
gutting and freezing, you need a big warehouse for that.
There can be a port, the only way to get to the site and land access
could easily be blocked i.e. no intruders unless the government may get
corrupted and do something foolish and we know that is unlikely ;)
I can collect second hand equipment and get some donations from here
and there :) so the capital requirements would be minimized. So the
only recurring cost is really the FOOD for the shrimps.
ONE OTHER FACT: it is very easy to grow brine shrimp, these are also
called the sea-monkeys sold in US kid's comic books. these are protein
rich usually used as feed for the other fish, but i cannot see why we
cannot trun them into pates (sp?) little burger size chunks where the
women can add to their cookings. Thses can be done DIRST CHEAP!
--DARA