Greek author describes designer fashion (international)
Frank Kalder
>
>
Hello,
this is to inform you of a guide that has been written by a Greek
/fashion specialist/ author (born and living in Germany).
>
Regards, Frank
--
www.haplif.de - European fashion guide presentation
www.designer-fashion.de - guide by Jana Mohd (Europe)
www.haplif.de/61820.html - HAPLIF GOVERNANCE -
political and economic highlights with future relevancy
Pants Awry
A gastarbeiter ey ?
How many pfennigs an hour is he on I wonder *LOL*
Just how GAY is he too, I mean he's (A) Greek & (B) A Fashion Designer
*ROTFFLOL*
Christophis D'elapiaston Qunatonores
>
>
> A gastarbeiter ey ?
>
> How many pfennigs an hour is he on I wonder LOL
>
> Just how GAY is he too, I mean he's (A) Greek & (B) A Fashion Designer
>
>
> *ROTFFLOL*
Beanie there's not much to understand about you: you are a real retard,
plain and simple! And we (mis)use you for our entertainment, that's it.
--
where the turk roams no green grass grows,only Retards like Seanie AND
TRNC are spawned,and poppies grown for their heroin addiction
Panta Rhei
Yeah, Beanie, he might have enough money and the sexual orientation you are
looking for, you desperate shirtlifter. Keep asking, you might find your
perfect partner after a while.
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
Pardon me for asking Pantsa but.......
ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME YOU PILLOW BITING TWAT ?
*rotfflmfaoay*
--
"The Republic of Macedonia" as recognised by over 100 nations
"Turkish Republic of Cyprus" recognised by 4 and counting !
Panta Rhei
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:25:00 +0200, Panta Rhei <an...@os.com> wrote:
>
>> Pants Awry writes:
>>
>>> A gastarbeiter ey ?
>>>
>>> How many pfennigs an hour is he on I wonder *LOL*
>>>
>>> Just how GAY is he too, I mean he's (A) Greek & (B) A Fashion Designer
>>>
>>> *ROTFFLOL*
>>
>> Yeah, Beanie, he might have enough money and the sexual orientation you
>> are
>> looking for, you desperate shirtlifter. Keep asking, you might find your
>> perfect partner after a while.
>
> Pardon me for asking Pantsa but.......
>
> ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME YOU PILLOW BITING TWAT ?
>
> *rotfflmfaoay*
What makes you think so?
Buahahahahaaaaaaa.........
--
If stupidity had financial value you'd be stinking rich, Seanie.
Frank Kalder
Christophis D'elapiaston Qunatonores wrote:
>
> ... for our entertainment ...
>
>
Hi Christophis,
the author is female.
I thought that everybody would notice 'this' looking into the links
(as given).
>
Regards, Frank
--
www.haplif.de - European fashion guide presentation
www.designer-fashion.de - guide by Jana Mohd (Europe)
www.haplif.de/61820.html - GOVERNANCE -
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
> Seanie O'Kilfoyle writes:
>
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:25:00 +0200, Panta Rhei <an...@os.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pants Awry writes:
>>>
>>>> A gastarbeiter ey ?
>>>>
>>>> How many pfennigs an hour is he on I wonder *LOL*
>>>>
>>>> Just how GAY is he too, I mean he's (A) Greek & (B) A Fashion Designer
>>>>
>>>> *ROTFFLOL*
>>>
>>> Yeah, Beanie, he might have enough money and the sexual orientation you
>>> are
>>> looking for, you desperate shirtlifter. Keep asking, you might find
>>> your
>>> perfect partner after a while.
>>
>> Pardon me for asking Pantsa but.......
>>
>> ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME YOU PILLOW BITING TWAT ?
>>
>> *rotfflmfaoay*
>
> What makes you think so?
I can smell "Male Sperm" ( sic ) and Vaseline
Buahahahahaaaaaaa.........
Shoot the pidjin ! *LOL*
Hey LOOKIE here !
A species of the lesser spotted "Last Word" Merchant in his natural
habitat !
*LMFAOAY*
> insert "Last Word" here <
Panta Rhei
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:48:47 +0200, Panta Rhei <an...@os.com> wrote:
>
>> Seanie O'Kilfoyle writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:25:00 +0200, Panta Rhei <an...@os.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pants Awry writes:
>>>>
>>>>> A gastarbeiter ey ?
>>>>>
>>>>> How many pfennigs an hour is he on I wonder *LOL*
>>>>>
>>>>> Just how GAY is he too, I mean he's (A) Greek & (B) A Fashion Designer
>>>>>
>>>>> *ROTFFLOL*
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Beanie, he might have enough money and the sexual orientation you
>>>> are
>>>> looking for, you desperate shirtlifter. Keep asking, you might find
>>>> your
>>>> perfect partner after a while.
>>>
>>> Pardon me for asking Pantsa but.......
>>>
>>> ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME YOU PILLOW BITING TWAT ?
>>>
>>> *rotfflmfaoay*
>>
>> What makes you think so?
>
> I can smell "Male Sperm" ( sic ) and Vaseline
>
> Buahahahahaaaaaaa.........
Nobody who knows your contributions in these groups would ever doubt that,
Turkish homo queen!
<VBG>
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
How very witty Turkish witty witty witty queen
What ? it's pidjin ? I know it's pidjin so is your hilarious "Turkish homo
queen!"
Mbouuuuhahahahahahahahahrrrr
Panta Rhei
Exactly! Did you find out by now what male cum and smegma tastes like,
Beanie Tinfoil? You always wanted to know! <BG>
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
> Exactly! Did you find out by now what male sperm (sic) and smegma tastes
> like,
> Beanie Tinfoil? You always wanted to know! <BG>
Deja Vu X 10,000 ?
Nope, just "Roman Zer Cherman" wanking off for his other "multiple
personalities" again !
Shoot the pidjin ! *LOL*
Hey LOOKIE here !
A species of the lesser spotted "Last Word" Merchant in his natural
habitat !
*LMFAOAY*
> insert "Last Word" here <
Panta Rhei
it himself."
Remarkably many people on usenet call you an IDIOT, Beanie Tinfoil! LMAO!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
Frank Kalder
>
>
>
Hello,
I thought in this newsgroup *Greek culture* would be explored. However,
what I read in this thread, so far, appears to be a shame on any
culture at all.
Btw, the author mentioned is female.
>
Regards, Frank
Panta Rhei
> Hello,
>
> I thought in this newsgroup *Greek culture* would be explored. However,
> what I read in this thread, so far, appears to be a shame on any
> culture at all.
>
> Btw, the author mentioned is female.
>
>>
>
> Regards, Frank
I know what you mean. You'll have to filter out (perhaps mentally) the
flame fests going on. This group here has to deal with the presence of a
mentally sick Turk, posting here under more than 10 different screen
names. If you check his posting habits, you will see this person is not
just a troll but a truly mental case, a full-blown psychopath that would
rather see his own newsgroup (soc.culture.turkish) destroyed than refrain
from trashing this group with his idiocies.
If you got the leisure you might also want to check the behaviour of a few
other Turks in these groups, at least you'll learn something about the
Turkish character in general. ;-)
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
Panta Rhei
> Hey LOOKIE here !
>
> A species of the lesser spotted "Last Word" Merchant in his natural
> habitat !
>
> *LMFAOAY*
>
> > insert "Last Word" here <
Could it be you ARE the idiot that people on usenet say you are? LMAO!
"If proof were needed of Seanie's idiocy then here he has supplied
it himself."
Remarkably many people on usenet call you an idiot, Beanie Tinfoil! LMAO!
TRNC(KKTC)
"Frank Kalder" <edi...@haplif.de> wrote in message
news:1118302351....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> ...
> >
> >
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> I thought in this newsgroup *Greek culture* would be explored. However,
> what I read in this thread, so far, appears to be a shame on any
> culture at all.
>
> Btw, the author mentioned is female.
>
Yeah, it is about Greek Culture, Greek Culture is all about xenophobia and
hate anything that doesn't have anything to do with Greek or Greece.
The list includes all Muslims, the Brits, the Americans, most European
countries and of course the country who'se been kicking the Greeks up the
back side for centuries, namely Turkey.
There's a very famous saying in Greece, "The only friends the Greeks have
are the Greeks". That alone says enough about what the Greeks think of the
rest of the worlds population.
--
Ladies and Gentlemen, fasten your seatbelts please. We will shortly be
landing in Ercan airport in the newly RECOGNISED Turkish Republic of
Northern Cyprus. Thank you.
Pants Awry
*LOL*
Nice one my son !
gogu
news:1118302351....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> ...
>>
> Hello,
>
> I thought in this newsgroup *Greek culture* would be explored. However,
> what I read in this thread, so far, appears to be a shame on any
> culture at all.
You are right !
Unfortunately a couple of extremist Turkish TROLLS have invaded this ng and
they are trying to destroy it.
Please ignore them and ask your questions whenever you want.
Discuss only with decent posters and just disregard the rest.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder writes:
>
> I know what you mean. You'll have to filter out (perhaps
> mentally) the flame fests going on. This group here has to
> deal with the presence ...
>
Thank you, Panta, for this explanation that enables me to look out for
some Greeks or other nation's people to communicate with in a
friendly and adequate manner.
>
cu, Frank
Frank Kalder
>
>
> > ...
>
> You are right!
> Unfortunately a couple of ...
>
> Please ignore them and ask your questions whenever you want.
> Discuss only with decent posters and just disregard the
> rest.
>
Thank you, gogu, for this helpful advice.
>
cu, Frank
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
> "If proof were needed of Seanie's idiocy then here he has supplied
> it himself."
>
> Remarkably many people on usenet call you an IDIOT, Beanie Tinfoil! LMAO!
>
Bwaaaaaaaaaahrrharharharharharharharharhar
Zees Peeddjeen ist flowink today !
Mbouhahahahahahahahahhahahahahaaaarrr
Pantsa een hees peedjeeen has me said :
"Why keep people sending you to alt.idiots?"
Und zen has he said me
"Do they keep calling you there an idiot, too"
Mbouhahahahahahahahahhahahahahaharrr
*ROTFFLMFAOAYPidjin*
Und zen has he said me
"like they do usenet"
Und zen has he me said
"Perhaps what many people on usenet say about you, time and again: an
idiot?"
*ROTFFLMFAOAYPidjin*
Und zen has he said me
"You are a genius for wit"
Mbouhahahahahahahahahhahahahahaharrr
*ROTFFLMFAOAYPidjin*
Und zen has he me said
"Hard to understand why many people on usenet consider an idiot"
PWNT !
--
"Your nostalgia has created
A nonexistent country, with laws
Alien to earth and man. "
George Seferis, "The Return of the Exile" (Keeley and Sherrard, 1981,
pp224-25)
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
> Seanie O'Kilfoyle writes:
>
>> Hey LOOKIE here !
>>
>> A species of the lesser spotted "Last Word" Merchant in his natural
>> habitat !
>>
>> *LMFAOAY*
>>
>> > insert "Last Word" here <
>
> Could it be you ARE the idiot that people on usenet say you are? LMAO!
>
> "If proof were needed of Seanie's idiocy then here he has supplied
> it himself."
>
> Remarkably many people on usenet call you an idiot, Beanie Tinfoil! LMAO!
>
Panta Rhei
Folks, check, above, Beanie Tinfoil's deteriorated Turkish mind in full
action, on June 10th, 2005! LMAO!
Check his other postings for similar abnormal, degenerated content! LMAO!
Panta Rhei
Folks, check, above, Beanie Tinfoil's deteriorated Turkish mind in full
action, on June 10th, 2005! LMAO!
Check his other postings for similar abnormal, degenerated content! LMAO!
Pants Awry
Careful Frank
Gogu HATES you and wishes DEATH on you because you are Jewish !
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>>
>>
>> > ...
>> You are right!
>> Unfortunately a couple of ...
>>
>> Please ignore them and ask your questions whenever you want.
>> Discuss only with decent posters and just disregard the
>> rest.
> Thank you, gogu, for this helpful advice.
No problem Frank.
It is about time for the scg to become again a place where *decent* people
can exchange ideas without been insulted, etc...
Unfortunately we must learn to live with the TROLLS, so the only way to have
peace of mind is to disregard them or even better put the in the killfile.
Seanie, raffin, trnc, etc are your first candidates for your killfile ;-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
> > [helpful advice]
>
> No problem Frank.
> It is about time for the scg to become again a place where
> *decent* people can exchange ideas without been insulted,
> etc...
>
That is exactly what I'd appreciate, gogu.
Btw, I am an internationally minded German who has /for a number of
years/ lived (university studies and management job assignments) in
France (Sorbonne, Paris) and in the USA (Forth Worth/Texas, San
Francisco/California, Manhattan/New York) - and who has travelled a
lot on both continents, too. Photographing is one of my hobbies as
well. But, I've nothing published as far as pics are concerned.
>
> Coins, travels and more:
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
>
> http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
I like your beautiful photos in both websites and the descriptions in
your personal site (gogu.enosi) very much. That's an excellent
presentation.
>
cu, Frank
--
www.haplif.de - European fashion guide presentation
www.designer-fashion.de - guide by Jana Mohd (Europe)
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> No problem Frank.
>> It is about time for the scg to become again a place where
>> *decent* people can exchange ideas without been insulted,
>> etc...
> That is exactly what I'd appreciate, gogu.
>
> Btw, I am an internationally minded German who has /for a number of
> years/ lived (university studies and management job assignments) in
> France (Sorbonne, Paris) and in the USA (Forth Worth/Texas, San
> Francisco/California, Manhattan/New York) - and who has travelled a
> lot on both continents, too. Photographing is one of my hobbies as
> well. But, I've nothing published as far as pics are concerned.
Well, having an open mind and leaving behind the prejudices someone grown
with is a great thing, we all must try to do that and have an open mind as
you say.
Admittedly some times this is difficult to achieve, especially considering
the criminal actions of such vile Turks like Seanie & Co...
I mean I am a Greek but I have no hatred for the Turks but when Seanie is
wishing *DEATH* to my daughter, well, I don't know...
Of course it is not correct to dislike all the Turks because of some
criminal Turks like Seanie & Co, but some time it's so hard to achieve
this...
>> Coins, travels and more:
>> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
>>
>> http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
>
> I like your beautiful photos in both websites and the descriptions in
> your personal site (gogu.enosi) very much. That's an excellent
> presentation.
Hehehehe :-)
Well, it's a reday-to-use site, I just added the pictures and a couple of
words !
(and of course I am not a female teacher from US; it came with the site and
I haven't changed it ;-))
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
Panta Rhei
> Careful Frank
>
> Gogu HATES you and wishes DEATH on you because you are Jewish !
"If proof were needed of Seanie's idiocy then here he has supplied
it himself."
Haha.... I can't believe it: this perfect description of you fits
you to a "t", ALL THE TIME !!!!
Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
>
> someone grown with is a great thing, we all must try to do
> that and have an open mind as you say.
>
Yes, gogu, I agree.
> Admittedly some times this is difficult to achieve ...
>
I'm quite aware now of your individual involvement as far as the
particular situation is concerned.
> >> Coins, travels and more:
> >> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
> >>
> >> http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
> >
> > [...]
>
> ...
> Well, it's a reday-to-use site, I just added the pictures
> and a couple of words!
>
It's great anyway... :-)
> (and of course I am not a female teacher from US; it came
> with the site and I haven't changed it ;-))
>
Apparently I've been confused about that.
Do you live in the USA, in Greece or elsewhere?
>
CU, Frank
--
www.haplif.de - European fashion guide presentation
www.designer-fashion.de Guide by Jana Mohd / Europe
www.haplif.de/61820.html - actual: G8 decision
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, having an open mind and leaving behind the prejudices
>> someone grown with is a great thing, we all must try to do
>> that and have an open mind as you say.
>>
>
> Yes, gogu, I agree.
>
>
>
>> Admittedly some times this is difficult to achieve ...
>>
>
> I'm quite aware now of your individual involvement as far as the
> particular situation is concerned.
>> >> Coins, travels and more:
>> >> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
>> >>
>> >> http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
>> >
>> > [...]
>>
>> ...
>> Well, it's a reday-to-use site, I just added the pictures
>> and a couple of words!
>>
>
> It's great anyway... :-)
>
>> (and of course I am not a female teacher from US; it came
>> with the site and I haven't changed it ;-))
> Apparently I've been confused about that.
> Do you live in the USA, in Greece or elsewhere?
Greece.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
But he's not actually GREEK you see
He's a Romanian immigrant who is so ashamed of being Romanian that he
acts like a wannabe greek to ease the psychological torment his
negative self image causes him
Very interesting to observe from afar
Quite comical too !
Have fun with him, he's the village goat !
Mbouhahahahahahahahhaar
Panta Rhei
Hahaha...... that coming from the delirious psycho who uses about 20
different personas: bitchslapped and permanently pwned Beanie Tinfoil!
(right now "Walter Mitty" <BG>)
Yiorgos SALAKis
> Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty writes:
>
>> But he's not actually GREEK you see
>>
>> He's a Romanian immigrant who is so ashamed of being Romanian that he
>> acts like a wannabe greek to ease the psychological torment his
>> negative self image causes him
>>
>> Very interesting to observe from afar
>>
>> Quite comical too !
>>
>> Have fun with him, he's the village goat !
>>
>> Mbouhahahahahahahahhaar
>
> Hahaha...... that coming from the delirious psycho who uses about 20
> different personas: bitchslapped and permanently pwned Beanie Tinfoil!
> (right now "Walter Mitty" <BG>)
>
You sound like a jealous little BITCH George
Are you a jealous little BITCH George ?
You ARE a jealous little BITCH aren't you George
*ROTFFLMFAOAY*
--
Chase me......Stalk me....Spam my posts
I'm here to bitchslap dumb grik trolls
And their psychotic little boasts
Panta Rhei
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:25:03 +0200, Panta Rhei <an...@os.com> wrote:
>
>> Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty writes:
>>
>>> But he's not actually GREEK you see
>>>
>>> He's a Romanian immigrant who is so ashamed of being Romanian that he
>>> acts like a wannabe greek to ease the psychological torment his
>>> negative self image causes him
>>>
>>> Very interesting to observe from afar
>>>
>>> Quite comical too !
>>>
>>> Have fun with him, he's the village goat !
>>>
>>> Mbouhahahahahahahahhaar
>>
>> Hahaha...... that coming from the delirious psycho who uses about 20
>> different personas: bitchslapped and permanently pwned Beanie Tinfoil!
>> (right now "Walter Mitty" <BG>)
>>
>
> You sound like a jealous little BITCH George
>
> Are you a jealous little BITCH George ?
>
> You ARE a jealous little BITCH aren't you George
>
> *ROTFFLMFAOAY*
Beanie, you may be on to something: the good folks on usenet may really be
jealous of your gorgeous online existence (24/7, year after year)! <VBG>
Not everyone can boast being a PERFECT loser like you! Mbuahahahahaaaa....
Frank Kalder
>
>
>
Hi Panta,
I guess you are as a Greek living in Greece. Is that correct?
To smoothen out the communication I strongly suggest avoiding further
x-posts in this thread.
F'up2 scg
>
CU, Frank
--
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www.designer-fashion.de Guide by Jana Mohd / Europe
www.haplif.de/61820.html - actual: G8 cancelled debts
gogu
> Panta Rhei wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hi Panta,
>
> I guess you are as a Greek living in Greece. Is that correct?
Yes, Frank, we all are Greeks despite what lies this sad Turkish troll is
spreading around.
Most of us we live in Greece but there are a few posters living abroad.
Just ignore the sad Turkish troll and his many incarnations and you'll have
a pleasant discussion with any Greek in here.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
> To smoothen out the communication I strongly suggest avoiding further
Frank Kalder
>
>
> Yes, Frank, we all are Greeks ...
> Most of us we live in Greece but there are a few posters living abroad.
> Just ignore ...
>
Thanks, gogu, for this message.
I've appreciated our communication.
As I thought, at first, you'd be living in the USA I had written a
bit about my relevant experience there. Sorry, never mind.
Regards, Frank
gogu
No problem.
I do visit US once or twice a year, my family owns a house in Jersey but no,
I don't live there all the time.
Poster Jason lives in NY though.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
>
> Regards, Frank
>
> --
> www.haplif.de
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
Koku's family are TRUE GREEKS and BILLIONAIRES !!!!
Koku's father travels everywhere by HELICOPTER !!
He owns most of Jersey in the channel Islands *LOL*
Despite all this Koku posts photos of a cheap and dingy apartment that
he rents and has cluttered with all manner of cheap chintzy trinkets
*LMFAOAY*
Keep trying Walter
Panta Rhei
Folks, check, above, our notorious, hallucinating psychopath, Beanie
Tinfoil (right now: "Walter Mitty" <BG>) who actually boasts that he's
"rich and intelligent" and "young and retired"!!!! LMAO!
Frank Kalder
>
>
>
> I do visit US once or twice a year, my family owns a house in
>
That sounds pretty interesting.
Is that house in the beach area or in the middle of the state?
Do your parents or any relatives live there, or is it just for
vacation?
Are there any relevant photos published? Where (specific URL) would I
find them?
> Poster Jason lives in NY though.
>
I suppose Jason K. Lambrou is meant. I'm going to watch out for any
of his postings ...
>
Regards, Frank
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political and economic highlights with future relevancy
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/governance-global-vs-regional
THE REAL Yorgos Tsolakis
MBOUHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRR
SUCKER
Panta Rhei
Aw, you are angry because no one ever falls for YOUR constant bullshit,
Weenie Beanie!
What are you? "Western", "rich", "intelligent", "young and retired"! Or was
that "young and retarded"?
Beanie, why does no one ever fall for your gorgeous stories, you talented
hacker, business man, and RAF pilot? WHY? Hmmmmm.... Maybe it's your
idiotic laughter? Or your caps? What could it be? LMAO!
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gogu
> gogu wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I do visit US once or twice a year, my family owns a house in
>> Jersey but no,I don't live there all the time.
>>
>
> That sounds pretty interesting.
?
I don't think so :-)
> Is that house in the beach area or in the middle of the state?
More or less in the middle of the state, Richmond.
> Do your parents or any relatives live there, or is it just for
> vacation?
Neither ;-)
We have a representative office so my father thought a house wouldn't harm
when he is there.
> Are there any relevant photos published? Where (specific URL) would I
> find them?
?
Why should we put our house on Net ?!!!
That would be dangerous !
>> Poster Jason lives in NY though.
> I suppose Jason K. Lambrou is meant.
If you are new here, how do you know his exact name ?!...
AFAIK, he is not posting under this screen name for quite a lot of time...
> I'm going to watch out for any
> of his postings ...
Yes, but I am not sure under what screen name he is posting right now.
Let's hope he'll see this thread and will want to contact you.
Rgrds
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
Mmmmmm yes and gogu's dad has a HELICOPTER ! His wifes daddie owns all
the factories in the Bulgarian town nearest the greek border where
greek businessmen "are giving bread the whole city" too
*ROTFFLMFAO*
NAZI Gogu and his EXTREMISTS HATRED of all things Jewish
Panta Rhei
And Weenie Beanie is "young and retired"! Or was that "young and retarded"?
LMAO!
And Weenie Beanie also has an NTL account!!! Buahahahahahhahaha......
Where's that NTL account, Weenie Beanie? LOL
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Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
> > Is that house in the beach area or in the middle of the state?
>
> More or less in the middle of the state, Richmond.
>
Sorry, gogu, I don't know Richmond, NJ. I've only heard of
Richmond, Virginia.
In New Jersey I've been (on business) in the area adjacent to
Manhattan and frequently in Sommerville where the US headquarters of a
German chemical corporation are situated.
I do know the Garden State Parkway down to Cape May as well as the
Princeton University. In winter, I was, several times, skiing in Great
Gorge in the north of NJ.
But, obviously, you meant Jersey, VA (between Washington, DC, and
Richmond).
I've once visited Washington (privately).
Otherwise I do know the USA from east to west and from north to south.
> We have a representative office, so my father thought a house
> wouldn't harm when he is there.
>
ACK.
[...]
> >> Poster Jason lives in NY though.
>
> > I suppose Jason K. Lambrou is meant.
>
> If you are new here, how do you know his exact name?!...
> [...]
As I thought there might be many posters named Jason I looked up at
Google and found only this one who had posted in scg.
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
Gogu is such a wealthy little Romaneshti wannabe rich kid
His daddy owns massive billion dollar villas in all the towns across
the world where his enormous business empire has "representative
offices"
I never could understand why Koku has to rent such a scruffy, dingy
apartment in Selanik when his family could build him a palace because
they own most of Romania Albania and Greece and are in fact ROYALS who
trace back 600 years to the Ghica and Brincoveanu families who are "all
of Romanian and some some greek ancestry"
*ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFPYSFDLC*
Panta Rhei
Folks, see, above, the sick obsession of our delirious online hero with
gogu's person, the guy who managed to get Beanie Tinfoil's (right now:
"Walter Mitty") NTL account CANCELLED!!!! LOL
Ooooooh, the PAIN! Right, Weenie Beanie? Beanie listen: NTL! NTL! NTL!
Hahahahaaaaaa....
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gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>>
>>
>
>> > Is that house in the beach area or in the middle of the state?
>>
>> More or less in the middle of the state, Richmond.
> Sorry, gogu, I don't know Richmond, NJ. I've only heard of
> Richmond, Virginia.
Well, I am the one who should ask sorry :-)
I wanted to say Ridgefield and to be more precise, Ridgefield Park, and I
said Richmond :-)
That's a confusion I am often doing as Richmond is the area where I stay
when I am visiting ... London !
We are in the Bergen County, quite north near Hackensack River.
Have a look here:
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/gis/map.shtm
and here:
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/gis/maps/bergen.pdf
Easy access was the main criterion to buy it.
> In New Jersey I've been (on business) in the area adjacent to
> Manhattan and frequently in Sommerville where the US headquarters of a
> German chemical corporation are situated.
This is in Somerset County if I am not mistaken, about in the middle of the
state.
> I do know the Garden State Parkway down to Cape May as well as the
> Princeton University. In winter, I was, several times, skiing in Great
> Gorge in the north of NJ.
>
> But, obviously, you meant Jersey, VA (between Washington, DC, and
> Richmond).
>
> I've once visited Washington (privately).
>
> Otherwise I do know the USA from east to west and from north to south.
I know it quite a little, I had no time to travel extensively.
Just the usual "tourist" destinations: Florida, Niagara, etc :-)
> As I thought there might be many posters named Jason I looked up at
> Google and found only this one who had posted in scg.
;-)
Forgive the paranoia, but with all those Turkish trolls around I hope you
understand me ;-)
Rgrds
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THE SERIAL BULLSHITTER STRIKES AGAION !
MBOUHarharharharharharharharharharharhar dumb Romaneshti wannabe greek
freak arsehole !
*LOLOL*
Errrrmmmmm........
NAZI Gogu and his EXTREMISTS HATRED of all things Jewish
PWNT !
Panta Rhei
> THE SERIAL BULLSHITTER STRIKES AGAION !
>
> MBOUHarharharharharharharharharharharhar dumb Romaneshti wannabe greek
> freak arsehole !
>
Check your English agaion (sic), Turkish retard!
A bit overexcited right now, aren't you, suffering bleeding Weenie Beanie!
Buahahahahhahaaaa...... How's your NTL account?
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Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
> ... Richmond is the area where
> I stay when I am visiting ... London!
>
I enjoy London, too :-)
> We are in the Bergen County, quite north near Hackensack River.
>
Very nice area (with overwhelming 'whites') that I know from
formerly frequent one-day-stays related to chemical trading business
negotiations.
> Easy access was the main criterion to buy it.
>
Of course, that's an ideal location /in very close vicinity of
Manhattan/ as far as your father's representative office is
concerned.
Are you practically involved in his business, too?
> > ... Sommerville ...
> > US headquarters of a German chemical corporation
>
> This is in Somerset County if I am not mistaken, about in the
> middle of the state.
>
U're right.
> > ... I do know the USA from east to west and from north to south.
>
> I know it quite a little, I had no time to travel extensively.
> Just the usual "tourist" destinations: Florida, Niagara, etc :-)
>
Well, as I guess you're still rather young you might have some
opportunities, in the future, to discover a bit more of this
fascinating continent from coast to coast :-)
Rgrds, Frank
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gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>>
>>
>> ... Richmond is the area where
>> I stay when I am visiting ... London!
> I enjoy London, too :-)
Yeah, but only for short visits ;-)
I do prefer sunny countries ;-)
>> We are in the Bergen County, quite north near Hackensack River.
> Very nice area (with overwhelming 'whites') that I know from
> formerly frequent one-day-stays related to chemical trading business
> negotiations.
Yes, the area is OK.
>> Easy access was the main criterion to buy it.
> Of course, that's an ideal location /in very close vicinity of
> Manhattan/ as far as your father's representative office is
> concerned.
Exactly !
> Are you practically involved in his business, too?
Not in US.
I am involved in family business in what regards our northern Greece branch
but I have my own company, too.
We are involved in projects in the Balkans and in some of the former USSR
new countries.
>> > ... I do know the USA from east to west and from north to south.
>> I know it quite a little, I had no time to travel extensively.
>> Just the usual "tourist" destinations: Florida, Niagara, etc :-)
> Well, as I guess you're still rather young you might have some
> opportunities, in the future, to discover a bit more of this
> fascinating continent from coast to coast :-)
I am in my early forties so I guess you are right :-)
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> Rgrds, Frank
Seanie The Grikslapper
Oh and by the way
HE IS A BIG ROMANIAN LIAR AND SERIAL FANTASIST TOO *LOL*
Enjoy your time in prison Koku, wont you ?
No deliberately "Dropping the soap" in the showers too !
I PWN KOKU THE CLOWN
*LMFAO*
Panta Rhei
Beanie, retarded Turk, don't you think your valuable contributions should
also get appreciated in sct?
I'll look after that for you!
Buahahahhahahahaa..... PWN!
Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
> I do prefer sunny countries ;-)
>
Yeah, me too :-)
For vacations, I've usually preferred our family's house on
Sardinia. I've stayed, twice, a couple of weeks in Roma. And I've
also travelled a lot in other mediterranian areas.
> I am involved in family business in what regards our northern
> Greece branch, but I have my own company, too.
>
Congratulation!
In what type of business is your own company in? - The same as your
father's? Is it manufacturing & marketing or solely trading?
> We are involved in projects in the Balkans and in some of the
> former USSR new countries.
>
There is a great potential market in that area to be acquired.
The formerly second largest bank (HypoVereinsbank) in Germany has just
merged, a few days ago, with the Italian UniCredit (now a huge
international banking conglomerate) who is also engaged particularly in
these economically arising Eastern European countries.
>
Rgrds, Frank
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gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>>
>>
>> I do prefer sunny countries ;-)
> Yeah, me too :-)
> For vacations, I've usually preferred our family's house on
> Sardinia. I've stayed, twice, a couple of weeks in Roma. And I've
> also travelled a lot in other mediterranian areas.
Io sonno un ragazzo di Firenze ;-)
>> I am involved in family business in what regards our northern
>> Greece branch, but I have my own company, too.
> Congratulation!
Well, no big deal.
> In what type of business is your own company in?
Construction and selling of houses, apartment blocks, offices and stores.
> - The same as your
> father's?
Similar.
> Is it manufacturing & marketing or solely trading?
"manufacturing & marketing" if you can say that about constructions :-)
>> We are involved in projects in the Balkans and in some of the
>> former USSR new countries.
> There is a great potential market in that area to be acquired.
Yes, I know.
I have a small constructions company in Romania together with an ... Italian
and a German ;-)
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> The formerly second largest bank (HypoVereinsbank) in Germany has just
> merged, these days, with the Italian UniCredit (now a huge
> international banking conglomerate) who is also engaged particularly
> the economically arising Eastern European area.
>>
>
> Rgrds, Frank
>
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>
Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
> Io sonno un ragazzo di Firenze ;-)
>
Does it mean, gogu, you lived as a Greek boy quite some time in
Firenze, or is your family originally stemming from Italy and you were
born in that beautiful city? - Which I know from a single
two-days-stay, too.
Or perhaps you'd say that you visited Firenze frequently and you like
it that much that you feel yourself quite similar as an indigenous?
> > In what type of business is your own company in?
>
> Construction and selling of houses, apartment blocks, offices and
> stores.
>
Well, that's tremendous!
It's booming as well in Greece, I guess, as in the Eastern countries,
and is, as I believe, still a good business in the US.
> > - The same as your father's?
>
> Similar.
>
Thus, you are able to benefit from the family's traditional standing
and its apparently excellent business know-how.
> > Is it manufacturing & marketing or solely trading?
>
> "manufacturing & marketing" if you can say that about
> constructions :-)
>
I think, more or less, we could say so.
> >> We are involved in projects in the Balkans and in some of the
> >> former USSR new countries.
>
>
> > There is a great potential market in that area to be acquired.
>
> Yes, I know.
> I have a small constructions company in Romania together with an
> ... Italian and a German ;-)
>
Yeah, I appreciate this in particular.
That's a virtually multicultural enterprise in its best sense.
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>>
>>
>> Io sonno un ragazzo di Firenze ;-)
>>
>
> Does it mean, gogu, you lived as a Greek boy quite some time in
> Firenze, or is your family originally stemming from Italy and you were
> born in that beautiful city? - Which I know from a single
> two-days-stay, too.
No, no, it means that I lived in Firenze when I was studying in Italy for
about 5 years ;-)
> Or perhaps you'd say that you visited Firenze frequently and you like
> it that much that you feel yourself quite similar as an indigenous?
See above.
>> > In what type of business is your own company in?
>> Construction and selling of houses, apartment blocks, offices and
>> stores.
> Well, that's tremendous!
> It's booming as well in Greece, I guess, as in the Eastern countries,
> and is, as I believe, still a good business in the US.
This is true.
Unfortunately in Greece it looks it will be a recession in the private
constructions sector for two reasons:
One, from the 1st of January 2006 VAT is introduced to the selling of
apartments, offices, etc. Until now any kind of transaction regarding
immobile was VAT exempt, there were only around 10-11% various taxes. Now
this is replaced by VAT, which is 19%... If with the application of the VAT
the
government will abolish/replace the older taxes, there will always be an
increase in prices of around 8-9%... And that's bad for business.
Two, the prices on which the tax is calculated are going to increase,
taxation will increase, people will buy with greater difficulty a house...
Prices on which taxes are calculated are part of a complex system; the
government puts an arbitrary price per square meter in every city or suburb
of Greece and then there are factors that increase or decrease this unitary
price: if house or apartment, which floor is the apartment, if it looks in
front or in the back of the block, year of construction, etc, etc, etc. So
if unitary prices are increased by the government (they are seeking to find
more money for the budget...), the final price of the house will increase,
taxes will increase, thus housing becomes more expensive for the average
Greek, = less people will buy a house, = recession in the constructions
business...
There is a last hope, the government is negotiating with the EU to reduce
the VAT for the "first house" to a low 4.5%, let's see if they'll succeed...
>> Similar.
> Thus, you are able to benefit from the family's traditional standing
> and its apparently excellent business know-how.
From the know-how, yes, from their traditional standing, quite not.
They are in the public works, not in private constructions.
>> > There is a great potential market in that area to be acquired.
>> Yes, I know.
>> I have a small constructions company in Romania together with an
>> ... Italian and a German ;-)
> Yeah, I appreciate this in particular.
> That's a virtually multicultural enterprise in its best sense.
Sure, alone you can't do so much.
Have a great weekend !
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Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
> >> [ragazzo di Firenze]
>
> ... it means that I lived in Firenze when I was studying in Italy
> for about 5 years ;-)
>
I guess that's been very exciting.
So you know probably very much about the renaissance art and
architecture
e.g.
http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/org/orion/eng/hst/renais/fiore.html
http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/images/conway/1652c074.html
and the great history (Medici ...) of this famous world culture city.
[Construction and selling of houses, apartment blocks, offices and
stores]
>
>
> > Well, that's tremendous!
> > It's booming as well in Greece, I guess, as in the Eastern
> > countries, and is, as I believe, still a good business in the
> > US.
>
> This is true.
> Unfortunately in Greece it looks it will be a recession in the private
> constructions sector for two reasons:
>
> One, from the 1st of January 2006 VAT is introduced to the selling of
> apartments, offices, etc. ...
> So if unitary prices are increased by the government (they are seeking to find
> more money for the budget...), the final price of the house will increase,
> taxes will increase, thus housing becomes more expensive for the average
> Greek, = less people will buy a house, = recession in the constructions
> business...
>
> There is a last hope, the government is negotiating with the EU to reduce
> the VAT for the "first house" to a low 4.5%, let's see if they'll succeed...
>
I understand that relevant problematic.
In Germany, too, we'll get a VAT increase after the next election in
autumn. And privately bought real estate (for the own family's use)
will most probably no longer get tax advantages over a 10 years'
period; and so on ...
> From the know-how, yes, from their traditional standing, quite not.
> They are in the public works, not in private constructions.
>
ACK.
> >> I have a small constructions company in Romania together with
> >> an ... Italian and a German ;-)
>
> > Yeah, I appreciate this in particular.
> > That's a virtually multicultural enterprise in its best sense.
>
> Sure, alone you can't do so much.
>
In other words, if I get this correctly, it would mean that it depends
on someone's own initiative to get multinational partnerships working
smoothly and effectively.
>
Have a great weekend, too! Frank
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
Yeah, yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh .........
And Koku also lived on the planet URanus for "about 5 years" too when
his father was the Kenyan Ambassador there and his mother owned the
largest chain of Romanian convience stores on the planet
But then HE WOKE UP !
Mbouhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaarrrrr
Seanie O'Kilfoyle®™ The Griklover®™
want to feel the warmth of another. The heat of someone alive. Just so
I know I am not dead.
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
THE FAKE Seanie O'Kilfoyle®™ who is The Grikgaybwoylover®™ wrote:
> I feel cold. I want someone to walk up behind me and give me a hug. I
> want to feel the warmth of another. The heat of someone alive. Just so
> I know I am not dead.
>
You really are ONE SICK PUPPY aren't you ?
> > Mbouhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaarrrrr
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
>> >> [ragazzo di Firenze]
>>
>> ... it means that I lived in Firenze when I was studying in Italy
>> for about 5 years ;-)
> I guess that's been very exciting.
Yes, it was exciting.
Maybe one of the best periods of my life...
> So you know probably very much about the renaissance art and
> architecture
I know enough, as I have a PhD in "restauro" ;-)
But to be honest, I was never seriously involved in a program/work...
Constructions field captured my interest ;-)
>> One, from the 1st of January 2006 VAT is introduced to the selling of
>> apartments, offices, etc. ...
>
>
>> So if unitary prices are increased by the government (they are seeking to
>> find
>> more money for the budget...), the final price of the house will
>> increase,
>> taxes will increase, thus housing becomes more expensive for the average
>> Greek, = less people will buy a house, = recession in the constructions
>> business...
>>
>> There is a last hope, the government is negotiating with the EU to reduce
>> the VAT for the "first house" to a low 4.5%, let's see if they'll
>> succeed...
> I understand that relevant problematic.
>
> In Germany, too, we'll get a VAT increase after the next election in
> autumn.
We just had one from 18% to 19% just two months ago and there is a rumor
they are going to make it ... 20% after summer !
> And privately bought real estate (for the own family's use)
> will most probably no longer get tax advantages over a 10 years'
> period; and so on ...
Yeah, same here...
>> > Yeah, I appreciate this in particular.
>> > That's a virtually multicultural enterprise in its best sense.
>> Sure, alone you can't do so much.
> In other words, if I get this correctly, it would mean that it depends
> on someone's own initiative to get multinational partnerships working
> smoothly and effectively.
Yes.
It is good though to have a local partner, too, especially in the former
communist countries.
We have a Romanian engineer to whom we gave a small percentage which for him
is actually too much, so he is taking care the more "delicate" problems of
our company there ;-)
My European partners OTOH, they are very helpful in certain sectors they
have better/greater experience...
Actually we have each one his own sector and our collaboration seem to work.
So yes, multinational partnerships looks like it works very well :-)
Panta Rhei
> THE FAKE Seanie O'Kilfoyle®™ who is The Grikgaybwoylover®™ wrote:
>> I feel cold. I want someone to walk up behind me and give me a hug. I
>> want to feel the warmth of another. The heat of someone alive. Just so
>> I know I am not dead.
>>
>
> You really are ONE SICK PUPPY aren't you ?
>
Hmmm... shouldn't you address that question rather to your 21 other
personas on usenet, Weenie Beanie Tinfoil?
What will they say?
Buahahahaaaaaa..... what a sicko!
Panta Rhei
You sound like you can't afford air conditioning for the hot summer days,
Weenie Beanie! Summer's not so good for your deteriorated Turkish mind! But
then, winter's not so good for your deteriorated Turkish mind, either!
Buahahahaa.... what a retard!
Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
[5 years studies in Firenze]
>
> Yes, it was exciting.
>
I bet it was_!_
> Maybe one of the best periods of my life...
>
I've heard that many Greek co-eds (mostly females) are studying in
Italy.
Is Firenze preferred, or what other cities, too?
Are there also other countries Greeks are considering for their
studies?
> > So you know probably very much about the renaissance art and
> > architecture
>
> I know enough, as I have a PhD in "restauro" ;-)
>
That's great!
> But to be honest, I was never seriously involved in a program/work...
> Constructions field captured my interest ;-)
>
So you are basically either a construction engineer or even an
architect (as far as your major and diploma is concerned)?
[VAT]
>
> We just had one from 18% to 19% just two months ago and there is a rumor
> they are going to make it ... 20% after summer!
>
Ours will rise from now 16% to 18 or 19%. However, there are many
exemptions for special goods and services with a much lower rate.
At present, a German real estate buyer has to pay fees of about 10,8%;
i.e. tax for the object's acquiring 3,5%, legal contracting 1,5% and
real estate agent 5,8% (= 5% + 16% VAT). The agent's fee may be lower
in some cases. - It is not a legal necessity, though, to utilise the
service of such an agent, if seller and buyer are making the deal
directly among each other.
> It is good though to have a local partner, too, especially in the former
> communist countries.
>
Of course, that's almost indispensable.
> We have a Romanian engineer to whom we gave a small percentage which for him
> is actually too much, so he is taking care the more "delicate" problems of
> our company there ;-)
>
Good idea!
> My European partners OTOH, they are very helpful in certain sectors they
> have better/greater experience...
> Actually we have each one his own sector and our collaboration seem to work.
> So yes, multinational partnerships looks like it works very well :-)
>
It makes me somehow happy reading this,
and there is hope for a better world
- in more harmony.
>
Rgrds, Frank
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Guide by Jana Mohd:
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
Koku Braggs off about his Mythical PhD's *ROTFFLMFAO* and pjoects
himself as a bent "Romanian Engineer" who is in charge of corruption
yet feels that a small "tip" is far too much !
*LMFAO*
What a credible ANUS Mr Constantin Brincoveanu is !
MBOUharharharharharharharharharhaaarrrr
Lie more Gogu !
Panta Rhei
<tsk> <tsk> ....all this rude language, just because he got a few of your
pathetic accounts cancelled. I mean, the sheer stupidity you expose time
and again that providers with financial interests actually decide to cancel
your accounts! LMAO!
PWN!
NTL!
gogu
news:1119965659.5952a32a995b9608e8f7ca64dedc0278@teranews...
> Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty writes:
>
>> Koku Braggs off about his Mythical PhD's *ROTFFLMFAO* and pjoects
>> himself as a bent "Romanian Engineer" who is in charge of corruption
>> yet feels that a small "tip" is far too much !
>>
>> *LMFAO*
>>
>> What a credible ANUS Mr Constantin Brincoveanu is !
>>
>> MBOUharharharharharharharharharhaaarrrr
>>
>> Lie more Gogu !
> <tsk> <tsk> ....all this rude language, just because he got a few of your
> pathetic accounts cancelled.
And soon the big PUNCH is coming for this little Al Qaeda supporter...
Just watch...
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I mean, the sheer stupidity you expose time
THE REAL Yorgos Tsolakis
Promises promises Koku
Heard it all before for about 3 years you impotent little F@CK !
Now koku, you seem to allege that somebody is an "Al Qaeda supporter"
You now have the undivided attention of the security services so I DARE
YOU TO ELABORATE !
*ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFP*
Be brave little CHICKEN !
Tom Hoorah of Bath Esq !
Yep, that's right folks
Gogu is really and truly a GENUINE GREEK !!!! *ROTFFLOL*
His name "CONSTANTIN NICOLAE BRINCOVEANU" is Romanian but he is GREEK
!!!!!
Mwaaaahahahahahahahahhaaaarr
His nickname GOGU and his email nick GOLANULE are both Romanian but he
is a proud Macedonian GREEK !!!!!!! Teeheeheehee
He is fluent in Romanian and his Eeeeengleeeeesh is sheet, but he is
truly a GREEK !!!!!
Mbouhahahahahahahahahahahahaaaarrrrr
His massive headed Children and his skinny skank hoe wife look like
Romanians but he is GREEK !!!!!!!! Heeeeheeeheeeheeeee
His own words stated that he knew his family the "Ghica" clan back to
the 14th century and they were all of "Romanian and some Greek origin"
but he truly is an authentic member of the GREEK race !!!!!
His 10,000 posts in Romaneshti in a Romanian usenet newsgroup
http://snipurl.com/fvpa are fluent but he is a GREEK !!!!!!! *LMFAO*
How dare you call our "Proud Pontian" Friend, Domule Constantin Nicolae
Brincoveanu, anything other than a GREEK !!!!!! ?
*ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFP
I PWN GOGU every time !
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>>
>>
>
> [5 years studies in Firenze]
>>
>> Yes, it was exciting.
>>
> I bet it was_!_
Well, to be more precise I lived in Firenze but I attended courses in Milan
and later in Rome...
I just liked Firenze and I decided to live there.
As my courses were asking to meet with a professor just once a week, it was
easy to stay in Firenze.
>> Maybe one of the best periods of my life...
> I've heard that many Greek co-eds (mostly females) are studying in
> Italy.
This is true.
> Is Firenze preferred, or what other cities, too?
Well, I'd say it's the less preferred as most of the Greeks are studying
medicine, economics, etc.
Only students who want to study architecture prefer Firenze but not only;
Venezia is one other pole of attraction for architecture students and Rome
and Milan are not coming shorter...
> Are there also other countries Greeks are considering for their
> studies?
Yes.
England, France, USA, some of them Germany and Austria.
>> > So you know probably very much about the renaissance art and
>> > architecture
>>
>> I know enough, as I have a PhD in "restauro" ;-)
>>
>
> That's great!
>
>> But to be honest, I was never seriously involved in a program/work...
>> Constructions field captured my interest ;-)
> So you are basically either a construction engineer or even an
> architect (as far as your major and diploma is concerned)?
Nope, I am an Architect Engineer.
Having a constructions company lets you "make" architecture and also
construct your "capolavoro" (:-)) the way you thought of it ;-)
> [VAT]
>>
>> We just had one from 18% to 19% just two months ago and there is a rumor
>> they are going to make it ... 20% after summer!
> Ours will rise from now 16% to 18 or 19%. However, there are many
> exemptions for special goods and services with a much lower rate.
Here the exceptions became rare lately...
Only food in the restaurant is 9%, also books and some services...
> At present, a German real estate buyer has to pay fees of about 10,8%;
Same here in Greece.
The total of the taxes on a real estate buy is around 11%.
With the implementation of the VAT they will abolish these taxes but housing
will still be around 8% more expensive if they will make the VAT 19%.
If the make the VAT 9% it will be a (theoretical) reduce of prices, but this
sounds like a good dream ;-)
The agent's fee is 2% from each part but it is calculated separately.
We, as constructors are paying just 1%.
> i.e. tax for the object's acquiring 3,5%, legal contracting 1,5% and
> real estate agent 5,8% (= 5% + 16% VAT). The agent's fee may be lower
> in some cases. - It is not a legal necessity, though, to utilise the
> service of such an agent, if seller and buyer are making the deal
> directly among each other.
>
>> It is good though to have a local partner, too, especially in the former
>> communist countries.
> Of course, that's almost indispensable.
True.
He knows the local bureaucracy and the way to evade certain problems...
>> My European partners OTOH, they are very helpful in certain sectors they
>> have better/greater experience...
>> Actually we have each one his own sector and our collaboration seem to
>> work.
>> So yes, multinational partnerships looks like it works very well :-)
> It makes me somehow happy reading this,
> and there is hope for a better world
> - in more harmony.
I do believe that working with people of different cultures is a beautiful
thing and makes you feel rich.
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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
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Panta Rhei
> Promises promises Koku
>
> Heard it all before for about 3 years you impotent little F@CK !
>
> Now koku, you seem to allege that somebody is an "Al Qaeda supporter"
>
> You now have the undivided attention of the security services so I DARE
> YOU TO ELABORATE !
>
Wow, Weenie Beanie shows his dangerous side today again! The "security
services", eh? Buahahahaaaaaa...... Sure glad you didn't post someone's IP
number again, which makes everyone shudder with fear, you dangerous hacker!
LMAO!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil (right now: "Yorgos" <BG>) forget the failures in his life.
Panta Rhei
> http://snipurl.com/fvpa
>
> Yep, that's right folks
>
> Gogu is really and truly a GENUINE GREEK !!!! *ROTFFLOL*
>
> His name "CONSTANTIN NICOLAE BRINCOVEANU" is Romanian but he is GREEK
> !!!!!
> Mwaaaahahahahahahahahhaaaarr
>
> His nickname GOGU and his email nick GOLANULE are both Romanian but he
> is a proud Macedonian GREEK !!!!!!! Teeheeheehee
>
> He is fluent in Romanian and his Eeeeengleeeeesh is sheet, but he is
> truly a GREEK !!!!!
> Mbouhahahahahahahahahahahahaaa限限苔rrrrr
>
> His massive headed Children and his skinny skank hoe wife look like
> Romanians but he is GREEK !!!!!!!! Heeeeheeeheeeheeeee
>
> His own words stated that he knew his family the "Ghica" clan back to
> the 14th century and they were all of "Romanian and some Greek origin"
> but he truly is an authentic member of the GREEK race !!!!!
>
> His 10,000 posts in Romaneshti in a Romanian usenet newsgroup
> http://snipurl.com/fvpa are fluent but he is a GREEK !!!!!!! *LMFAO*
>
> How dare you call our "Proud Pontian" Friend, Domule Constantin Nicolae
>
> Brincoveanu, anything other than a GREEK !!!!!! ?
>
> http://snipurl.com/fvpa
>
> *ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFP
>
> I PWN GOGU every time !
Check, above, Beanie Tinfoil's sick obsession with gogu! As I said, he
wants to BECOME gogu, the guy that dominates his entire being, imagination
and his dreams. Beanie Tinfoil not only fantasizes entire stories about
gogu, but also adopts his name! LMAO! I mean this utter slavish
subservience to the man that dominates his entire being is really
embarrassing to watch! Yuck! Poor, buggered Weenie Beanie!
PWN!
--
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gogu
> THE REAL Yorgos Tsolakis writes:
>
>> Promises promises Koku
>>
>> Heard it all before for about 3 years you impotent little F@CK !
>>
>> Now koku, you seem to allege that somebody is an "Al Qaeda supporter"
>>
>> You now have the undivided attention of the security services so I DARE
>> YOU TO ELABORATE !
> Wow, Weenie Beanie shows his dangerous side today again! The "security
> services", eh? Buahahahaaaaaa...... Sure glad you didn't post someone's IP
> number again, which makes everyone shudder with fear, you dangerous
> hacker!
> LMAO!
The UK security services are watching Seanie right now...
--
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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
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http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
>
>
Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, to be more precise I lived in Firenze but I attended courses in Milan
> and later in Rome...
> I just liked Firenze and I decided to live there.
> As my courses were asking to meet with a professor just once a week, it was
> easy to stay in Firenze.
>
That was as well a great opportunity as a fascinating arrangement.
> >> Maybe one of the best periods of my life...
>
>
[Greek co-eds (mostly females) studying in Italy]
> ...
Thanks, gogu, for your information.
> > Are there also other countries Greeks are considering for their
> > studies?
>
> Yes.
> England, France, USA, some of them Germany and Austria.
>
During my studies (Economics and Business Administration) in Germany,
France and USA I've, unfortunately, never met any Greeks.
However, after my return from the USA, I had /professionally/ close
connections with two Greeks in a globally operating chemical and
pharmaceutical corporation (with about 150 subsidiaries worldwide).
It's been a) a chemist as the head of one of its diverse chemical
plants, and b) a chief logistics-software developer at the IT division.
Another fellow manager (a German chemist), chief of a special products
business area (Marketing, Manufacturing, R&D), with whom I used to
cooperate very closely, had been married with a Greek wife (a
publishing painter who had studied in Germany) whom I met rather
frequently, too, mostly after diverse events (i.e. conferences in
Bordeaux and elsewhere). Unfortunately, upon his retirement, they both
had a terrible accident - i.e. a gas explosion that was deadly for her
- on the Greek island where her family stems from. He (as survivor)
lives now in Germany in his house jointly with his - German born -
daughter.
> ... I am an Architect Engineer.
> Having a constructions company lets you "make" architecture and also
> construct your "capolavoro" (:-)) the way you thought of it ;-)
>
Fantastic!
What kind of construction style do you prefer for private houses and
office buildings?
Are they different in Northern Greek and e.g. in Romania?
[VAT situation & exceptions]
> ...
> The total of the taxes on a real estate buy is around 11%.
> With the implementation of the VAT they will abolish these taxes but housing
> will still be around 8% more expensive if they will make the VAT 19%.
> If the make the VAT 9% it will be a (theoretical) reduce of prices, but this
> sounds like a good dream ;-)
>
ACK.
> ...
> >> It is good though to have a local partner, too,
> >> especially in the former communist countries.
>
> > Of course, that's almost indispensable.
>
> True.
> He knows the local bureaucracy and the way to evade certain problems...
>
Exactly.
>
> I do believe that working with people of different cultures is a beautiful
> thing and makes you feel rich.
>
I fully agree.
My experience is - business related though - with 'German speaking
Greeks' (see above) - and with some more in private contact - and
with people in or from France, Spain, UK, USA, Mexico, Japan, China,
India ... and /more privately/ Italy, Portugal ...
>
Rgrds, Frank
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Panta Rhei
> ? "Panta Rhei" <an...@os.com> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:1120090319.e687f3ee92aff2a246ca4377687d99f6@teranews...
>> THE REAL Yorgos Tsolakis writes:
>>
>>> Promises promises Koku
>>>
>>> Heard it all before for about 3 years you impotent little F@CK !
>>>
>>> Now koku, you seem to allege that somebody is an "Al Qaeda supporter"
>>>
>>> You now have the undivided attention of the security services so I DARE
>>> YOU TO ELABORATE !
>
>> Wow, Weenie Beanie shows his dangerous side today again! The "security
>> services", eh? Buahahahaaaaaa...... Sure glad you didn't post someone's IP
>> number again, which makes everyone shudder with fear, you dangerous
>> hacker!
>> LMAO!
>
> The UK security services are watching Seanie right now...
The stuff he is posting lately is definitely *illegal* (racist, etc.), so,
if you got a lawyer....
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
>> As my courses were asking to meet with a professor just once a week, it
>> was
>> easy to stay in Firenze.
> That was as well a great opportunity as a fascinating arrangement.
Well, when you are doing a PhD you don't need to attend some kind of course
daily, so it was actually quite easy...
>> > Are there also other countries Greeks are considering for their
>> > studies?
>> Yes.
>> England, France, USA, some of them Germany and Austria.
> During my studies (Economics and Business Administration) in Germany,
> France and USA I've, unfortunately, never met any Greeks.
Big countries, many universities :-)
I believe that the second most preferred country by Greeks for studies is
UK, then maybe France, Germany and US.
> However, after my return from the USA, I had /professionally/ close
> connections with two Greeks in a globally operating chemical and
> pharmaceutical corporation (with about 150 subsidiaries worldwide).
> It's been a) a chemist as the head of one of its diverse chemical
> plants, and b) a chief logistics-software developer at the IT division.
American/Greek or "Greek/Greek" ?
I mean Greeks who were born there, American citizens, or Greeks who studied
there and then they decided to stay and work in the States ?
> Another fellow manager (a German chemist), chief of a special products
> business area (Marketing, Manufacturing, R&D), with whom I used to
> cooperate very closely, had been married with a Greek wife (a
> publishing painter who had studied in Germany) whom I met rather
> frequently, too, mostly after diverse events (i.e. conferences in
> Bordeaux and elsewhere). Unfortunately, upon his retirement, they both
> had a terrible accident - i.e. a gas explosion that was deadly for her
> - on the Greek island where her family stems from. He (as survivor)
> lives now in Germany in his house jointly with his - German born -
> daughter.
Sad story...
>> ... I am an Architect Engineer.
>> Having a constructions company lets you "make" architecture and also
>> construct your "capolavoro" (:-)) the way you thought of it ;-)
> Fantastic!
>
> What kind of construction style do you prefer for private houses and
> office buildings?
When we are talking about houses, we must separate it:
1) when you are building for the owner
2) when you are building on your own lot and then you sell them
In the first case you have to follow -more or less- the stylistic
preferences of the owner.
Of course you'll try to pass your own style but it depends on the owner: one
says "do it as you wish, I don't care, just do it beautiful and functional",
the other wants to control every detail down to the last brick, he thinks he
knows everything, he is a genius who unfortunately could no study because
the world didn't understand his genius ;-) First case best, second to
avoid...
When you are building on your own lot that's much easier but you have always
to follow the "personality" of the neighborhood you are building to... You
must always try to do something different if you don't want to make your
buildings look all the same :-) One thing I know, I detest post-modernism
;-)))
> Are they different in Northern Greek and e.g. in Romania?
Sure, quite a lot.
In Greece people ask for more modern and luxurious constructions, in Romania
those who can afford to buy a new flat they just want to use it to their
friends as a status symbol ;-) Many times they don't even know what to ask
for...
There are different needs in some part of the construction, the heating
system is different, many buildings do not use shutters as they don't have
such a strong sun there, etc.
Lately, there is this -late for us Europeans- mode of using plaster-board
(Knauff, etc) everywhere in their houses... I personally avoid to use this
material in private houses, it's so "cheap" and with a so "temporary"
look...
>> I do believe that working with people of different cultures is a
beautiful
>> thing and makes you feel rich.
> I fully agree.
>
> My experience is - business related though - with 'German speaking
> Greeks' (see above) - and with some more in private contact - and
> with people in or from France, Spain, UK, USA, Mexico, Japan, China,
> India ... and /more privately/ Italy, Portugal ...
This is a new world and we must learn to live in it.
I was quite fortunate to live from very young abroad, so I have no
difficulties to live and/or work with foreign people.
Have a nice weekend, talk again next Monday.
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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
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gogu
He has sent me a death threat through dubious Islamist channels and the
security services have been
alerted...
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
gogu wrote:
> ? "Frank Kalder" <edi...@haplif.de> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:1120203725.7...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > gogu wrote:
> >> Frank Kalder wrote:
> >> As my courses were asking to meet with a professor just once a week, it
> >> was
> >> easy to stay in Firenze.
>
>
> > That was as well a great opportunity as a fascinating arrangement.
>
> Well, when you are doing a PhD you don't need to attend some kind of course
> daily, so it was actually quite easy...
>
Ahhhh I see
Dr. Domule Brincoveanu actually has a PhD !!!
I take it all back then !
*ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFP*
Panta Rhei
Are you retarded, Weenie Beanie? <BG>
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Panta Rhei
> ? "Panta Rhei" <an...@os.com> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:1120218996.0392e526d450d69c1f501389cceb90d0@teranews...
>> gogu writes:
>>
>>> ? "Panta Rhei" <an...@os.com> ?????? ??? ??????
>>> news:1120090319.e687f3ee92aff2a246ca4377687d99f6@teranews...
>>>> THE REAL Yorgos Tsolakis writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Promises promises Koku
>>>>>
>>>>> Heard it all before for about 3 years you impotent little F@CK !
>>>>>
>>>>> Now koku, you seem to allege that somebody is an "Al Qaeda supporter"
>>>>>
>>>>> You now have the undivided attention of the security services so I DARE
>>>>> YOU TO ELABORATE !
>>>
>>>> Wow, Weenie Beanie shows his dangerous side today again! The "security
>>>> services", eh? Buahahahaaaaaa...... Sure glad you didn't post someone's
>>>> IP
>>>> number again, which makes everyone shudder with fear, you dangerous
>>>> hacker!
>>>> LMAO!
>
>>> The UK security services are watching Seanie right now...
>
>> The stuff he is posting lately is definitely *illegal* (racist, etc.), so,
>> if you got a lawyer....
>
> He has sent me a death threat through dubious Islamist channels and the
> security services have been
> alerted...
Yep, that looks like him. Get him in a cell, either padded, or unpadded! ;-)
Big Butch Floppie Bwoy
Mbouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHRHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARrrrrrrr
HeeeeeeeeeeeHeheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeee
*ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFP*
KOKU the IMPOTENT little Rrrrromaneshti Clown !
3 years of your senile THREATS and NOTHING !
Haaaaaaaaaaaarhahahahahahahahahahahhar
The end result of a Romaneshti plaintiffs continued bleating campaign
for three whole years is ZERO ! ZILCH ! NADA ! NOWT ! NOUGHT ! NOTHING
! ZIP ! DIDDLY SQUAT !
I PWN U Brincoveanu !
Big Butch Floppie Bwoy
Tell tale tit
Your tongue is gonna split
And all the little puppy dogs
Will have a little bit
Ner ner nee ner nee ner ner nee way
*ROTFFLMFAOAY*
What a VIVID little imagination this delusional Romanian thief is !
Bwaaaaahhhhr hahahahahahahahahahahahr
SHOW US ALL YOUR *DEATH THREAT* KOKU !
I DARE YOU !
*LOLOL*
Panta Rhei
> Mbouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHRHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARrrrrrrr
>
> HeeeeeeeeeeeHeheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeee
>
Folks, check, above, Beanie Tinfoil's deteriorated Turkish state of mind on
July 2nd, 2005! LMAO!
Did I mention that he is a Turk? 70 million of those would like to be in
the EU! Hahahhahahahahaaa.......
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Panta Rhei
<idiotic drivel snipped>
Are you retarded, Weenie Beanie?
LMAO!
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Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
> > However, after my return from the USA, I had /professionally/ close
> > connections with two Greeks in a globally operating chemical and
> > pharmaceutical corporation (with about 150 subsidiaries worldwide).
> > It's been a) a chemist as the head of one of its diverse chemical
> > plants, and b) a chief logistics-software developer at the IT division.
>
> American/Greek or "Greek/Greek"?
> I mean Greeks who were born there, American citizens, or Greeks who studied
> there and then they decided to stay and work in the States?
>
This was reported from my 'German management experience' (after
having returned from the USA). The two Greeks mentioned are born in
Greece.
[Architect Engineer / "capolavoro"]
I've got the message (snipped - for trying to keep it short).
> ... One thing, I know, I detest post-modernism
> ;-)))
>
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~twp/architecture/postmodernres/
Do you mean this type of postmodernism?
Or even more way-out crazy-styled houses as they are known from
hypermodern architects for instance in Arizona or New Mexico (etc)?
> > Are they different in Northern Greece and e.g. in Romania?
>
> Sure, quite a lot.
> In Greece people ask for more modern and luxurious constructions, in Romania
> those who can afford to buy a new flat they just want to use it to their
> friends as a status symbol ;-) Many times they don't even know what to ask
> for...
>
ACK, that's quite understandable considering their communistic poor
past.
> There are different needs in some part of the construction, the heating
> system is different, many buildings do not use shutters as they don't have
> such a strong sun there, etc.
>
ACK.
> Lately, there is this -late for us Europeans- mode of using plaster-board
> (Knauff, etc) everywhere in their houses... I personally avoid to use this
> material in private houses, it's so "cheap" and with a so "temporary"
> look...
>
http://www.knauf.com.tr/4_3_2e.html
Do you mean this type?
Or could you show another possibly more appropriate example?
How about using photovoltaic concepts in your architecture in Greece as
there is a lot of sun year-round?
*BP Solar* is an international leader (even though in that particular
Germany market) in PV systems; e.g.
http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=3050462&contentId=3060107
In the German soc.newsgroup on economics (dsw) we're currently
discussing such matters in a relevant thread that I had recently
initiated.
Christoph M. - an 'economics engineer' (Dipl.Wirt.Ing.) - has
given in this thread
http://groups.google.de/group/de.soc.wirtschaft/msg/e27896b338d8ba82
some examples (pics) on implemented PV systems on private houses in
(the German city) Ingolstadt:
http://www.astrail.de/pvin.htm
Is this an architectural theme in Greece, too?
>
>
>
>
> >> I do believe that working with people of different cultures is
> >> a beautiful thing and makes you feel rich.
>
> > I fully agree.
> >
> > My experience is - business related though - with 'German speaking
> > Greeks' (see above) - and with some more in private contact - and
> > with people in or from France, Spain, UK, USA, Mexico, Japan, China,
> > India ... and /more privately/ Italy, Portugal ...
>
> This is a new world and we must learn to live in it.
> I was quite fortunate to live from very young abroad, so I have no
> difficulties to live and/or work with foreign people.
>
That's, indeed, an ideal prerequisite for a successful career -
even as an owner - in the nowadays international business world.
Have a pleasant weekend, too!
Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty
KOKU was lying about being an architect so I fear you'll have him
flummoxed now !
*LOL*
Give him at least 48 hours to answer
*LOLOL*
Two PhD's in Architecture ? *ROTFFLMFAOAPMFP*
PWNT !
Panta Rhei
Do you actually believe that Frank, or anybody else, is not able to see
what you are, you subnormal scum?
Looks like you really believe that, Weenie Beanie! <G>
Beanie Tinfoil thinks people will listen to him, the ridiculed village
idiot of Usenet!!! Buahahahaaaaa.....
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil (right now: "Walter Mitty" <BG>) forget the failures in his life.
gogu
Let's wait and see...
Anti-terrorist squad was already alerted for this fundamentalist Muslim.
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> ... One thing, I know, I detest post-modernism
>> ;-)))
> http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~twp/architecture/postmodernres/
>
> Do you mean this type of postmodernism?
LOL
These are some of the "luckiest" examples of post-modernism :-)
I've seen much worse...
> Or even more way-out crazy-styled houses as they are known from
> hypermodern architects for instance in Arizona or New Mexico (etc)?
Well, I am not sure what houses you have in mind -and may be some horrible
examples there as you say- but in Arizona and New Mexico exist some of the
luckiest examples of post modern architecture and not only !
In such a grade that even me who is a convinced anti-post modernist could
find to say a couple of good words about the architects who planned them ;-)
But I've seen also horrible houses in these 2 states, so I think I
understand your point...
>> Sure, quite a lot.
>> In Greece people ask for more modern and luxurious constructions, in
>> Romania
>> those who can afford to buy a new flat they just want to use it to their
>> friends as a status symbol ;-) Many times they don't even know what to
>> ask
>> for...
> ACK, that's quite understandable considering their communistic poor
> past.
Yes, you can see the "vulgar" richness around...
Uneducated people who made millions from dubious business, now they think
they know everything...
Sad...
>> Lately, there is this -late for us Europeans- mode of using plaster-board
>> (Knauff, etc) everywhere in their houses... I personally avoid to use
>> this
>> material in private houses, it's so "cheap" and with a so "temporary"
>> look...
> http://www.knauf.com.tr/4_3_2e.html
>
> Do you mean this type?
> Or could you show another possibly more appropriate example?
Yes, Knauf, sorry for the double f.
Well, Knauf plasterboards are OK to use in offices but I try to avoid them
in houses.
But as I said, this type of plasterboards is the latest mode in Romania and
I am against it, they put it everywhere !
I acknowledge that they can be modeled in various ways and create a plastic
and attractive interior, but I believe that too much is ruining and has the
opposite -negative- effect...
You can also use "raw" gyps and make the forms you want in a mould and then
mount it to the place you want it (usually the ceiling).
> How about using photovoltaic concepts in your architecture in Greece as
> there is a lot of sun year-round?
Well, this is an interesting subject, long debated here but unfortunately
only in our universities and not in the society...
Greeks unfortunately do not show much respect for the environment, they
don't know and don't use in the extend they should the photovoltaic
elements.
OTOH, the heating of water from the sun is quite common, especially in the
islands.
I tried once to use photovoltaic elements in a villa I made for a friend in
Arta's mountains (that's in North-Western Greece) but there were many
insulation difficulties (-25 during the winter) as well as not specialized
workers, etc so we were forced to abandon our plan and change it...
> *BP Solar* is an international leader (even though in that particular
> Germany market) in PV systems; e.g.
>
> http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=3050462&contentId=3060107
>
> In the German soc.newsgroup on economics (dsw) we're currently
> discussing such matters in a relevant thread that I had recently
> initiated.
Yes, it is strange that in northern countries people have such an evolved
(ecological) conscience regarding environment-friendly technologies using
the sun, the air, etc and us living in southern Europe with more than 300
sunny days a year are completely indifferent...
> some examples (pics) on implemented PV systems on private houses in
> (the German city) Ingolstadt:
>
> http://www.astrail.de/pvin.htm
>
> Is this an architectural theme in Greece, too?
I am afraid it isn't...
Or to be more precise, there is such a theme but only among the specialists,
architects, etc and in a theoretical level...
Actually, the house I was telling you above was a solution much like the
3rd/4th/5th/7th/8th/9th pictures from the top.
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Frank Kalder
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
>
>
> > Do you mean this type of postmodernism?
>
> These are some of the "luckiest" examples of post-modernism :-)
> I've seen much worse...
>
ACK.
> > Or even more way-out crazy-styled houses as they are known from
> > hypermodern architects for instance in Arizona or New Mexico (etc)?
>
> Well, I am not sure what houses you have in mind -and may be some horrible
> examples there as you say- but in Arizona and New Mexico exist some of the
> luckiest examples of post modern architecture and not only!
> In such a grade that even me who is a convinced anti-post modernist could
> find to say a couple of good words about the architects who planned them ;-)
>
I've watched, some time ago, a television report on that type of
architecture in these two US states. However, I didn't find (via
Google) appropriate websites showing some examples as I don't know
the special search-keywords. Are you able to present here some of the
'luckiest examples' that you appreciate?
> But I've seen also horrible houses in these 2 states, so I think I
> understand your point...
>
I guess I do.
But some pics & 'pro' words might further clarify what you and I
possibly mean - more or less precisely.
>
> Yes, you can see the "vulgar" richness around...
> Uneducated people who made millions from dubious business, now they think
> they know everything...
> Sad...
>
That's somehow equivalent to those self-made millionaires and
billionaires in the US. There, they are not admitted to the local
_country clubs_ -- an intricate-smart definition of who is
(society-wise) in or out.
But, I guess, in Romania such type of 'dubious greedy vulgar-rich
ones' might, at least, conquer the golf clubs (but not in conjunction
with country clubs or alike which probably don't exist there).
[...]
>
> > http://www.knauf.com.tr/4_3_2e.html
> >
> > Do you mean this type?
> > Or could you show another possibly more appropriate example?
>
> Well, Knauf plasterboards are OK to use in offices but I try to avoid them
> in houses.
> But as I said, this type of plasterboards is the latest mode in Romania and
> I am against it, they put it everywhere !
> I acknowledge that they can be modeled in various ways and create a plastic
> and attractive interior, but I believe that too much is ruining and has the
> opposite -negative- effect...
> You can also use "raw" gyps and make the forms you want in a mould and then
> mount it to the place you want it (usually the ceiling).
>
Yes, I understand.
Some examples:
http://www.uelze.de/Stuckkatalog.de/Shop/images/R1.jpg
http://www.uelze.de/Stuckkatalog.de/Shop/images/bilder/bank.gif
http://www.uelze.de/Stuckkatalog.de/Shop/images/DS1.jpg
We call it "Stuck" in German (gypsum made decorative parts). You
may see more of this type, e.g., at
http://www.stuck-katalog.de/Shop
> > How about using photovoltaic concepts in your architecture in Greece as
> > there is a lot of sun year-round?
>
> Well, this is an interesting subject, long debated here but unfortunately
> only in our universities and not in the society...
> Greeks unfortunately do not show much respect for the environment, they
> don't know and don't use in the extend they should the photovoltaic
> elements.
>
To switch to more and more 'regenerative energy' on a long run is
not as much only for the sake of the environmental protection but more
in order to get away from coal, oil and gas as these resources will get
exhausted in the generations ahead.
The use of wind and bio-stuff is not so much growing as the
photovoltaic segment.
H2 is another option; - but is not as efficient (will be probably used
more in special cells and small aggregates).
Nuclear plants /as power stations/ are considered as too dangerous; -
at least in Germany under the present legislation period that is now
- after seven years - going to end (new election probably on
September 18).
The rapid development of the Chinese economy (3 billion people!) will
contribute to the shortening of mineral oil on the world market
especially.
> OTOH, the heating of water from the sun is quite common, especially in the
> islands.
>
ACK.
> I tried once to use photovoltaic elements in a villa I made for a friend in
> Arta's mountains (that's in North-Western Greece) but there were many
> insulation difficulties (-25 during the winter) as well as not specialized
> workers, etc so we were forced to abandon our plan and change it...
>
Maybe, you might become a pioneer developer of such new installations?!
> > *BP Solar* is an international leader (even though in that particular
> > Germany market) in PV systems; e.g.
> >
> > http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=3050462&contentId=3060107
> >
> > In the German soc.newsgroup on economics (dsw) we're currently
> > discussing such matters in a relevant thread that I had recently
> > initiated.
>
> Yes, it is strange that in northern countries people have such an evolved
> (ecological) conscience regarding environment-friendly technologies using
> the sun, the air, etc and us living in southern Europe with more than 300
> sunny days a year are completely indifferent...
>
See explanation above (shortening and exhausting resources).
>
> > some examples (pics) on implemented PV systems on private houses in
> > (the German city) Ingolstadt:
> >
> > http://www.astrail.de/pvin.htm
> >
> > Is this an architectural theme in Greece, too?
>
> I am afraid it isn't...
> Or to be more precise, there is such a theme but only among the specialists,
> architects, etc and in a theoretical level...
>
I see (unfortunately).
> Actually, the house I was telling you above was a solution much like the
> 3rd/4th/5th/7th/8th/9th pictures from the top.
>
ACK.
gogu
> gogu wrote:
>> Frank Kalder wrote:
> I've watched, some time ago, a television report on that type of
> architecture in these two US states. However, I didn't find (via
> Google) appropriate websites showing some examples as I don't know
> the special search-keywords. Are you able to present here some of the
> 'luckiest examples' that you appreciate?
Well, I must search my photos and scan a couple of them.
As soon as I find them I'll put a couple here, even if it is not OK to post
binaries...
>> But I've seen also horrible houses in these 2 states, so I think I
>> understand your point...
> I guess I do.
> But some pics & 'pro' words might further clarify what you and I
> possibly mean - more or less precisely.
I'll put soon a couple of photos here.
>> Yes, you can see the "vulgar" richness around...
>> Uneducated people who made millions from dubious business, now they think
>> they know everything...
>> Sad...
> That's somehow equivalent to those self-made millionaires and
> billionaires in the US. There, they are not admitted to the local
> _country clubs_ -- an intricate-smart definition of who is
> (society-wise) in or out.
Short of :-)
> But, I guess, in Romania such type of 'dubious greedy vulgar-rich
> ones' might, at least, conquer the golf clubs (but not in conjunction
> with country clubs or alike which probably don't exist there).
Exactly !
In these countries money can buy *everything*...
What brings tears in my eyes is the fact that many young people have them as
... symbols !
Sad...
>> Well, Knauf plasterboards are OK to use in offices but I try to avoid
>> them
>> in houses.
>> But as I said, this type of plasterboards is the latest mode in Romania
>> and
>> I am against it, they put it everywhere !
>> I acknowledge that they can be modeled in various ways and create a
>> plastic
>> and attractive interior, but I believe that too much is ruining and has
>> the
>> opposite -negative- effect...
>> You can also use "raw" gyps and make the forms you want in a mould and
>> then
>> mount it to the place you want it (usually the ceiling).
> Yes, I understand.
>
> Some examples:
>
> http://www.uelze.de/Stuckkatalog.de/Shop/images/R1.jpg
>
> http://www.uelze.de/Stuckkatalog.de/Shop/images/bilder/bank.gif
>
> http://www.uelze.de/Stuckkatalog.de/Shop/images/DS1.jpg
>
> We call it "Stuck" in German (gypsum made decorative parts).
Exactly !
And not only...
You can create entire arcs, concave forms, convex forms, etc.
>> Well, this is an interesting subject, long debated here but unfortunately
>> only in our universities and not in the society...
>> Greeks unfortunately do not show much respect for the environment, they
>> don't know and don't use in the extend they should the photovoltaic
>> elements.
> To switch to more and more 'regenerative energy' on a long run is
> not as much only for the sake of the environmental protection but more
> in order to get away from coal, oil and gas as these resources will get
> exhausted in the generations ahead.
I know but go tell it to the average "mediterranean" ;-)
> The use of wind and bio-stuff is not so much growing as the
> photovoltaic segment.
Instead here in the islands wind generated electricity would be a great
thing, as we have rather windy islands !
As a matter of fact there are some windmill parks in a couple of islands,
the most known of them been in Chios if I am not mistaken.
> H2 is another option; - but is not as efficient (will be probably used
> more in special cells and small aggregates).
>
> Nuclear plants /as power stations/ are considered as too dangerous; -
> at least in Germany under the present legislation period that is now
> - after seven years - going to end (new election probably on
> September 18).
I've read that the first plant producing energy from fusion will be made in
France !
Let's see what's going to be...
> The rapid development of the Chinese economy (3 billion people!) will
> contribute to the shortening of mineral oil on the world market
> especially.
China is even worse than Greece in environmental pollution :-)
>> I tried once to use photovoltaic elements in a villa I made for a friend
>> in
>> Arta's mountains (that's in North-Western Greece) but there were many
>> insulation difficulties (-25 during the winter) as well as not
>> specialized
>> workers, etc so we were forced to abandon our plan and change it...
> Maybe, you might become a pioneer developer of such new installations?!
LOL
No thanks, I don't have the time ;-)
Have a great evening.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html