The Battle of the Sexes Continues ;-) [Was: For Krissie-kat]
OpaTennant
>Kritifile wrote:
>
>> "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message news:
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>> > Kritifile wrote:
>> >
>> > > Miros wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Kritifile wrote:
>> > > > > Aggie has been influenced too much by photographs. :))
>> > > >And the ideals of a "perfect woman" some people try to feed us.
>> > > >Well I don't like other's to tell me what I should look like
>> and especially in that matter.
What's even worse is that social trends vary greatly. What is sexy in one
culture is not in another and the same thing holds true for trends over time
within a culture. For example, there are those like Aggie who like the runway
model type. These models, who border on the verge of being anorexic and who
tend to be extremely neurotic because of the demands of their work (I know
because I had a close girlfriend who was in the stable of one of the world's
top designers and she used to tell me horror stories about what they had to go
through psychologically working in the "meat market"), set impossible standards
for most females to imitate. On the other hand, there is the Hugh Heffner
(Playboy) "ideal" with the huge boobs which has led to the burgeoning of the
plastic surgery business in the West and again threatens to make freaks out of
women, sometimes with dire consequences.
Why can't men be like most women and turn on primarily to people instead of
bodies?! After all, it is what a person says and does that makes him or her
interesting or sexually appealing,...at least certainly in my book.
That is not to say, of course, that physical attributes don't count at all,
because obviously they do, as evidenced in the fact that we all have our own
idiosyncratic ideas of what constitutes "sexy" when it comes to physical
appearance. However, even the way a person walks or certain mannerisms that
they may have can be powerful turn-ons, so getting hung up on one physical
stereotype of the ideal man or woman is not only grossly unfair to others but
also greatly limits one's own sexual enjoyment in life.
>> > >Women shouldn't be influenced by that either. There are
>> > >too many anorexics of both sexes because they want to
>> > >conform to fashion.
People who are bound to fashion, especially insofar as body image is concerned,
are usually people with a very weak sexual identity and who rely on "props" to
sustain a relationship. It is very sad really, because in spite of starving
oneself into the "desired" state of thinness or going out and having breast
implants to make themselves larger and more sexually appealing to men, their
relationships are doomed to failure due to their lack of spontaneity and
reciprocity when it comes to sexual interaction with others.
>> > I know. It had caused a big problem around the word and I think it is
stupid.
More than stupid...it is criminal.
>> > > >I am sure many will disagree with you. As Krissie said it's
>> more shape that matters.
>> > > >I don't think someone should not date a woman because she has
>> more than a handful
>> > > >and considering the hysteria around the globe with Pamela,
Who's Pamela????
>> > > > I think more men
>> > > >that say that, are really trying to hide something. There is a way to
find out
>> > > >though if they mean what they say or not :)))
Yes, I agree with you completely, partly because of the comments I made above,
as the same comments hold true for males as for females. As for there being a
way to find out, yes, indeed, there IS a way to find out ;-) And my own
personal experience has been that for most men those stereotypes don't mean a
single thing once they've fallen for a particular female :-)))) My first fiance
was enamored with women who were VERY well endowed and sexual bombshells,
actresses like Marilyn Monroe and the like, but who did he fall for? A skinny
scrawny (100 lbs, with NO boobs or buns) 18 year old waif with hair so short it
was almost a crew cut and who dressed in t-shirts and jeans. I was anything but
a bombshell then. In fact, I was a rambunctious tomboy, but one with a very
healthy sexual identity <LOL> So much for stereotypes! ;-)
>> > >Of course shape is the important thing. There are some
>> > >weird shapes around, especially some of the artificial ones.
>> > >Maybe some men want to return to babyhood? Of course
>> > >there is a way to find out if they mean what they say. Easy :))))
Yes, there is a very easy way indeed ;-)
>> > What do you have in mind as a test?
>> I'm not going to write that here. It wouldn't be a surprise then,
Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees what you are
planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
>> and some people might not like it.
>Ok write me an e-mail then. I want to see if we have the some thing in mind
>:))))
Miros, you know very well what Anna is referring to, unless, of course, you are
hoping that she might reveal more in her e-mail ;-)
Aggie-tom, I think you are about to lose one of your kitties. Are you going to
let that big bad lion get away with such a brazen solicitation? <LOL> Not that
the solicitation itself wasn't solicited ;-) Poor Aggie-tom, would he like for
Krissie-kat to console him <G>
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Dimitris
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Miros Pimenakis
OpaTennant wrote:
> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message<389DD28B...@stsnet.gr>
>
> >Kritifile wrote:
> >
> >> "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message news:
> 389CC822...@stsnet.gr...
>
> >> > Kritifile wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Miros wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >Kritifile wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Aggie has been influenced too much by photographs. :))
>
> >> > > >And the ideals of a "perfect woman" some people try to feed us.
> >> > > >Well I don't like other's to tell me what I should look like
> >> and especially in that matter.
>
> What's even worse is that social trends vary greatly. What is sexy in one
> culture is not in another and the same thing holds true for trends over time
> within a culture.
I've watched the results of the beauty contest in Africa some time ago. Guess who won. :))))))
For sure not the more anorexic one :)))))))))
> For example, there are those like Aggie who like the runway
> model type. These models, who border on the verge of being anorexic and who
> tend to be extremely neurotic because of the demands of their work (I know
> because I had a close girlfriend who was in the stable of one of the world's
> top designers and she used to tell me horror stories about what they had to go
> through psychologically working in the "meat market"), set impossible standards
> for most females to imitate.
Why do you think they call it meat market dear?
> On the other hand, there is the Hugh Heffner
> (Playboy) "ideal" with the huge boobs which has led to the burgeoning of the
> plastic surgery business in the West and again threatens to make freaks out of
> women, sometimes with dire consequences.
If they are so stupid to do it who is to be blamed? Us the males again?
> Why can't men be like most women and turn on primarily to people instead of
> bodies?! After all, it is what a person says and does that makes him or her
> interesting or sexually appealing,...at least certainly in my book.
Come again? Should I have to mention to you how anorexic the men should be these days to suit women's standards? Have you seen many fat men used as models?
> That is not to say, of course, that physical attributes don't count at all,
> because obviously they do, as evidenced in the fact that we all have our own
> idiosyncratic ideas of what constitutes "sexy" when it comes to physical
> appearance. However, even the way a person walks or certain mannerisms that
> they may have can be powerful turn-ons, so getting hung up on one physical
> stereotype of the ideal man or woman is not only grossly unfair to others but
> also greatly limits one's own sexual enjoyment in life.
Only if s/he follows those stupid ideals instead of her/his own.
> >> > >Women shouldn't be influenced by that either. There are
> >> > >too many anorexics of both sexes because they want to
> >> > >conform to fashion.
>
> People who are bound to fashion, especially insofar as body image is concerned,
> are usually people with a very weak sexual identity and who rely on "props" to
> sustain a relationship. It is very sad really, because in spite of starving
> oneself into the "desired" state of thinness or going out and having breast
> implants to make themselves larger and more sexually appealing to men, their
> relationships are doomed to failure due to their lack of spontaneity and
> reciprocity when it comes to sexual interaction with others.
Not to mention that every time the "fashion" changes, if they will try to follow it they will end with a more and more artificial body. I will hate to see what will happen
to them at their old age and I better not because it will spoil my appetite.
> >> > I know. It had caused a big problem around the word and I think it is
> stupid.
>
> More than stupid...it is criminal.
>
> >> > > >I am sure many will disagree with you. As Krissie said it's
> >> more shape that matters.
> >> > > >I don't think someone should not date a woman because she has
> >> more than a handful
> >> > > >and considering the hysteria around the globe with Pamela,
>
> Who's Pamela????
Anderson. Bay watch????
> >> > > > I think more men
> >> > > >that say that, are really trying to hide something. There is a way to
> find out
> >> > > >though if they mean what they say or not :)))
>
> Yes, I agree with you completely, partly because of the comments I made above,
> as the same comments hold true for males as for females. As for there being a
> way to find out, yes, indeed, there IS a way to find out ;-) And my own
> personal experience has been that for most men those stereotypes don't mean a
> single thing once they've fallen for a particular female :-)))) My first fiance
> was enamored with women who were VERY well endowed and sexual bombshells,
> actresses like Marilyn Monroe and the like, but who did he fall for? A skinny
> scrawny (100 lbs, with NO boobs or buns) 18 year old waif with hair so short it
> was almost a crew cut and who dressed in t-shirts and jeans. I was anything but
> a bombshell then. In fact, I was a rambunctious tomboy, but one with a very
> healthy sexual identity <LOL> So much for stereotypes! ;-)
So me, Anna and Krissie agree on that. Good.
> >> > >Of course shape is the important thing. There are some
> >> > >weird shapes around, especially some of the artificial ones.
> >> > >Maybe some men want to return to babyhood? Of course
> >> > >there is a way to find out if they mean what they say. Easy :))))
>
> Yes, there is a very easy way indeed ;-)
>
> >> > What do you have in mind as a test?
>
> >> I'm not going to write that here. It wouldn't be a surprise then,
>
> Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees what you are
> planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
Are you sure you did not misunderstood what Anna was talking about?
> >> and some people might not like it.
>
> >Ok write me an e-mail then. I want to see if we have the some thing in mind
> >:))))
>
> Miros, you know very well what Anna is referring to, unless, of course, you are
> hoping that she might reveal more in her e-mail ;-)
No I just want to see if the test i had in my mind is the same as her's.
Do you want me to post mine first? No problem. Just say so.
> Aggie-tom, I think you are about to lose one of your kitties. Are you going to
> let that big bad lion get away with such a brazen solicitation? <LOL> Not that
> the solicitation itself wasn't solicited ;-) Poor Aggie-tom, would he like for
> Krissie-kat to console him <G>
MSP
Turkish Coffee with no sugar.
opate...@aol.com (OpaTennant) wrote:
[...]
> Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees
what you are
> planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
[...]
Hey you or Anna can do anything you want to, I don't care.
Just tell the lucky one don't touch my beer in the fridge.
He may loose his kneecaps. :-)
nevzat (he he he)
--
Never raise hands to angry child, It leaves groin exposed. --Confucius
OpaTennant
>OpaTennant wrote:
>
>> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in
>message<389DD28B...@stsnet.gr>
>> >Kritifile wrote:
>> >> "Miros wrote
>> >> > Kritifile wrote:
>> >> > > Miros wrote:
>> >> > > >Kritifile wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Aggie has been influenced too much by photographs. :))
>>
>> >> > > >And the ideals of a "perfect woman" some people try to feed us.
>> >> > > >Well I don't like other's to tell me what I should look like
>> >> and especially in that matter.
>> What's even worse is that social trends vary greatly. What is sexy in one
>> culture is not in another and the same thing holds true for trends over time
>> within a culture.
>I've watched the results of the beauty contest in Africa some time ago. Guess
>who won. :))))))
>For sure not the more anorexic one :)))))))))
In many cultures, fleshpots are regarded as being much sexier than slim women.
Hawaii is probably the most outstanding example of this, where some indigenous
"beauty queens" attain as much as 300 + pounds in weight!
>> For example, there are those like Aggie who like the runway
>> model type. These models, who border on the verge of being anorexic and who
>> tend to be extremely neurotic because of the demands of their work (I know
>> because I had a close girlfriend who was in the stable of one of the world's
>> top designers and she used to tell me horror stories about what they had to
go
>> through psychologically working in the "meat market"), set impossible
standards
>> for most females to imitate.
>Why do you think they call it meat market dear?
In more ways than one. In the modeling business, meat is ALL that they
buy...not charm...not intelligence...just meat. And the girls are treated
exactly like chattel. The same girl I referred to above talked me into going to
her agency to try to sell my legs, as she felt they were marketable for
advertising purposes, and she also told me that it would give me an inside view
of how their business works. (Yep, they even *package* parts of bodies only,
like hands, legs, etc. for commercials.)
Anyway, she helped me put together a portfolio and I went for a screening
interview. Let me tell you, it is every bit as bad as people claim it is! After
having to answer numerous personal questions about my bod and lifestyle, I was
then asked if I was willing to accept any assignment that they gave me. I asked
them what sort of assignments that would include, and when they told me, I
nearly fell out of the chair (and this was one of the TOP "respectable"
modeling agencies in London!) If that were not enough, he (yes, it was a male
doing the screening) had me "perform" for him (walks, turns, etc...okay, guys,
get your minds out of the gutter LOL)
But, then, came the worst humiliation of all! I was told to go into the other
room and strip COMPLETELY!!! I couldn't believe it!!! I really couldn't believe
that one of the top modeling agencies in the city would require that. When I
protested, the man got very curt with me and told me that he was not buying
uninspected goods! He said that he had to be certain that everything I had was
real (i.e., no padding) and that I had no defects or blemishes. When I
continued to balk at the whole idea, he asked me whether I wanted them to
represent me or not and, if so, I had to do what I was told.
Well, Krissie-kat didn't even answer the fellow and, instead, beat a hasty
retreat out the door. When I got home and my girlfriend asked me how it went,
she was practically rolling on the floor laughing, because she already knew
what I had been subjected to and could tell from my state of shock what my
reaction had been. Oh, well, at least I got a realistic picture of what the
so-called "glamorous" life of a model is like and what that poor girl had to
put up with every day.
>> On the other hand, there is the Hugh Heffner
>> (Playboy) "ideal" with the huge boobs which has led to the burgeoning of
the
>> plastic surgery business in the West and again threatens to make freaks out
of
>> women, sometimes with dire consequences.
>If they are so stupid to do it who is to be blamed? Us the males again?
It's a two-way street, Miros, although I am rather inclined to put the blame on
females. However, realistically it is the combined fault of western sexual
mores, which foster immature and unhealthy attitudes towards sex and, more
specifically, of Madison Avenue, Hollywood, and publishers like Playboy, which
present body "ideals" that are both unhealthy and, for most women,
unattainable.
And don't forget, Miros, that most women (at least in GB and the US) are not
sexually aggressive and wait for a man to make the first move. This means that
those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given society's current
standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a male's
attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so on. For those
of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men (i.e., who are not
afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no need for such
things if one does not measure up to the social model because they use their
other assets to gain a male's attention.
The bottom line is that women should just be themselves, regardless of whether
or not they "measure" up, although that seems to be very difficult for women in
the West, particularly in the US and GB, far too many of whom have unhealthy
attitudes towards sex to begin with and regard it as a necessary evil, so, for
them, the idea of actively seducing a man is out of the question.
>> Why can't men be like most women and turn on primarily to people instead of
>> bodies?! After all, it is what a person says and does that makes him or her
>> interesting or sexually appealing,...at least certainly in my book.
>Come again? Should I have to mention to you how anorexic the men should be
>these days to suit women's standards? Have you seen many fat men used as
>models?
Again, we're talking Madison Avenue, except in this case, male models do not
have as devastating an impact on the ideals and expectations that women have
with regards to men unless, of course, one is a dolly bird or bimbo, but even
those girls go chasing after money rather than looks. IMO, with women, for the
most part, looks come last with respect to what constitutes a turn-on factor.
>> That is not to say, of course, that physical attributes don't count at all,
>> because obviously they do, as evidenced in the fact that we all have our
>own
>> idiosyncratic ideas of what constitutes "sexy" when it comes to physical
>> appearance. However, even the way a person walks or certain mannerisms that
>> they may have can be powerful turn-ons, so getting hung up on one physical
>> stereotype of the ideal man or woman is not only grossly unfair to others
but
>> also greatly limits one's own sexual enjoyment in life.
>Only if s/he follows those stupid ideals instead of her/his own.
See above comments.
>> >> > >Women shouldn't be influenced by that either. There are
>> >> > >too many anorexics of both sexes because they want to
>> >> > >conform to fashion.
>> People who are bound to fashion, especially insofar as body image is
>concerned,
>> are usually people with a very weak sexual identity and who rely on "props"
to
>> sustain a relationship. It is very sad really, because in spite of starving
>> oneself into the "desired" state of thinness or going out and having breast
>> implants to make themselves larger and more sexually appealing to men,
>their
>> relationships are doomed to failure due to their lack of spontaneity and
>> reciprocity when it comes to sexual interaction with others.
>Not to mention that every time the "fashion" changes, if they will try to
>follow it they will end with a more and more artificial body. I will hate to
>see what will happen
>to them at their old age and I better not because it will spoil my appetite.
For some women, it happens even before old age. There have been numerous horror
stories regarding breast implants, liposuction, and the like. As for those who
do survive into old age, they usually bear the visible and emotional scars of
the various mutilations and alterations that have been carried out on their
bodies.
>> >> > I know. It had caused a big problem around the word and I think it is
>> stupid.
>>
>> More than stupid...it is criminal.
>>
>> >> > > >I am sure many will disagree with you. As Krissie said it's
>> >> more shape that matters.
>> >> > > >I don't think someone should not date a woman because she has
>> >> more than a handful
>> >> > > >and considering the hysteria around the globe with Pamela,
>> Who's Pamela????
>Anderson. Bay watch????
Oh, THAT one. I have never watched Bay Watch and don't intend to. In fact, I
rarely watch the telly at all anymore these days, as there is too much material
at that IQ level cluttering up the screen.
>> >> > > > I think more men
>> >> > > >that say that, are really trying to hide something. There is a way
to
>> find out
>> >> > > >though if they mean what they say or not :)))
>> Yes, I agree with you completely, partly because of the comments I made
above,
>> as the same comments hold true for males as for females. As for there being
a
>> way to find out, yes, indeed, there IS a way to find out ;-) And my own
>> personal experience has been that for most men those stereotypes don't mean
a
>> single thing once they've fallen for a particular female :-)))) My first
fiance
>> was enamored with women who were VERY well endowed and sexual bombshells,
>> actresses like Marilyn Monroe and the like, but who did he fall for? A
skinny
>> scrawny (100 lbs, with NO boobs or buns) 18 year old waif with hair so short
it
>> was almost a crew cut and who dressed in t-shirts and jeans. I was anything
but
>> a bombshell then. In fact, I was a rambunctious tomboy, but one with a very
>> healthy sexual identity <LOL> So much for stereotypes! ;-)
>So me, Anna and Krissie agree on that. Good.
It's nice to see for a change a male that shares our view :-)))))))
>> >> > >Of course shape is the important thing. There are some
>> >> > >weird shapes around, especially some of the artificial ones.
>> >> > >Maybe some men want to return to babyhood? Of course
>> >> > >there is a way to find out if they mean what they say. Easy :))))
>>
>> Yes, there is a very easy way indeed ;-)
>>
>> >> > What do you have in mind as a test?
>>
>> >> I'm not going to write that here. It wouldn't be a surprise then,
>> Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees what you
are
>> planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
>Are you sure you did not misunderstood what Anna was talking about?
Yes, Miros...quite sure.
>> >> and some people might not like it.
>>
>> >Ok write me an e-mail then. I want to see if we have the some thing in mind
>> >:))))
>> Miros, you know very well what Anna is referring to, unless, of course, you
are
>> hoping that she might reveal more in her e-mail ;-)
>No I just want to see if the test i had in my mind is the same as her's.
>Do you want me to post mine first? No problem. Just say so.
Post or e-mail? I rather thought that what you two had in mind was more
suitable for e-mail ;-)
Greek coffee with lot's of sugar
"Turkish Coffee with no sugar." wrote:
> In article <20000207025732...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
> opate...@aol.com (OpaTennant) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees
> what you are
> > planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
>
> [...]
>
> Hey you or Anna can do anything you want to, I don't care.
> Just tell the lucky one don't touch my beer in the fridge.
> He may loose his kneecaps. :-)
>
> nevzat (he he he)
Sorry mate. I will replace it tomorrow. :-))
(that is, Greek tomorrow hehehe).
MSP
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the Face you can Rip Right Off,' you'd better get it. You may
be worried that it might help to encourage your child's
antisocial tendencies, but believe me, you have not seen anti-
social tendencies until you've seen a child who is convinced
that he or she did not get the right gift.
- Dave Barry
Aggie-Tom
OpaTennant wrote in message
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>>Why do you think they call it meat market dear?
It not just the ones in London that do this. Last year a BBC journalist
posed a photographer to get inside the business and filmed exactly what you
said happened in all the worlds top model agencies, right up to the top
bosses who behaved like porn merchants and were even openly racist against
their top modes including people like Naomi Campbell.
>But, then, came the worst humiliation of all! I was told to go into the
other
>room and strip COMPLETELY!!! I couldn't believe it!!! I really couldn't
believe
Some of them will even demand you have sex with them.
Miros Pimenakis
OpaTennant wrote:
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> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
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>
> >OpaTennant wrote:
> >
> >> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in
> >message<389DD28B...@stsnet.gr>
>
> >> >Kritifile wrote:
>
> >> >> "Miros wrote
>
> >> >> > Kritifile wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Miros wrote:
>
> >> >> > > >Kritifile wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > Aggie has been influenced too much by photographs. :))
> >>
> >> >> > > >And the ideals of a "perfect woman" some people try to feed us.
> >> >> > > >Well I don't like other's to tell me what I should look like
> >> >> and especially in that matter.
>
> >> What's even worse is that social trends vary greatly. What is sexy in one
> >> culture is not in another and the same thing holds true for trends over time
> >> within a culture.
>
> >I've watched the results of the beauty contest in Africa some time ago. Guess
> >who won. :))))))
> >For sure not the more anorexic one :)))))))))
>
> In many cultures, fleshpots are regarded as being much sexier than slim women.
> Hawaii is probably the most outstanding example of this, where some indigenous
> "beauty queens" attain as much as 300 + pounds in weight!
Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
<Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
> >> For example, there are those like Aggie who like the runway
> >> model type. These models, who border on the verge of being anorexic and who
> >> tend to be extremely neurotic because of the demands of their work (I know
> >> because I had a close girlfriend who was in the stable of one of the world's
> >> top designers and she used to tell me horror stories about what they had to
> go
> >> through psychologically working in the "meat market"), set impossible
> standards
> >> for most females to imitate.
>
> >Why do you think they call it meat market dear?
>
> In more ways than one. In the modeling business, meat is ALL that they
> buy...not charm...not intelligence
If they wanted those they were going to look in Universities.
Don't you think?
> ...just meat. And the girls are treated
> exactly like chattel.
I think you are overreacting.
> The same girl I referred to above talked me into going to
> her agency to try to sell my legs, as she felt they were marketable for
> advertising purposes, and she also told me that it would give me an inside view
> of how their business works. (Yep, they even *package* parts of bodies only,
> like hands, legs, etc. for commercials.)
Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous legs in South Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a man :-)) I will find his name and tell
you :)
So we were saying?????
> Anyway, she helped me put together a portfolio and I went for a screening
> interview. Let me tell you, it is every bit as bad as people claim it is! After
> having to answer numerous personal questions about my bod and lifestyle, I was
> then asked if I was willing to accept any assignment that they gave me. I asked
> them what sort of assignments that would include, and when they told me, I
> nearly fell out of the chair (and this was one of the TOP "respectable"
> modeling agencies in London!) If that were not enough, he (yes, it was a male
> doing the screening) had me "perform" for him (walks, turns, etc...okay, guys,
> get your minds out of the gutter LOL)
Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet
LOLOL
> But, then, came the worst humiliation of all! I was told to go into the other
> room and strip COMPLETELY!!! I couldn't believe it!!! I really couldn't believe
> that one of the top modeling agencies in the city would require that. When I
> protested, the man got very curt with me and told me that he was not buying
> uninspected goods! He said that he had to be certain that everything I had was
> real (i.e., no padding) and that I had no defects or blemishes. When I
> continued to balk at the whole idea, he asked me whether I wanted them to
> represent me or not and, if so, I had to do what I was told.
> Well, Krissie-kat didn't even answer the fellow and, instead, beat a hasty
> retreat out the door. When I got home and my girlfriend asked me how it went,
> she was practically rolling on the floor laughing, because she already knew
> what I had been subjected to and could tell from my state of shock what my
> reaction had been. Oh, well, at least I got a realistic picture of what the
> so-called "glamorous" life of a model is like and what that poor girl had to
> put up with every day.
That's my girl. :)
But what happened to the lioness I knew? Didn't you do anything to him?
Just left?
> >> On the other hand, there is the Hugh Heffner
> >> (Playboy) "ideal" with the huge boobs which has led to the burgeoning of
> the
> >> plastic surgery business in the West and again threatens to make freaks out
> of
> >> women, sometimes with dire consequences.
>
> >If they are so stupid to do it who is to be blamed? Us the males again?
>
> It's a two-way street, Miros, although I am rather inclined to put the blame on
> females. However, realistically it is the combined fault of western sexual
> mores, which foster immature and unhealthy attitudes towards sex and, more
> specifically, of Madison Avenue, Hollywood, and publishers like Playboy, which
> present body "ideals" that are both unhealthy and, for most women,
> unattainable.
>
> And don't forget, Miros, that most women (at least in GB and the US) are not
> sexually aggressive and wait for a man to make the first move.
Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the exact opposite. :'-(
Now look what you've done to me. T_T
The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
San Francisco. I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
> This means that
> those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given society's current
> standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a male's
> attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so on. For those
> of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men (i.e., who are not
> afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no need for such
> things if one does not measure up to the social model because they use their
> other assets to gain a male's attention.
As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
> The bottom line is that women should just be themselves, regardless of whether
> or not they "measure" up, although that seems to be very difficult for women in
> the West, particularly in the US and GB, far too many of whom have unhealthy
> attitudes towards sex to begin with and regard it as a necessary evil, so, for
> them, the idea of actively seducing a man is out of the question.
Do it for England my daughter?
> >> Why can't men be like most women and turn on primarily to people instead of
> >> bodies?! After all, it is what a person says and does that makes him or her
> >> interesting or sexually appealing,...at least certainly in my book.
>
> >Come again? Should I have to mention to you how anorexic the men should be
> >these days to suit women's standards? Have you seen many fat men used as
> >models?
>
> Again, we're talking Madison Avenue, except in this case, male models do not
> have as devastating an impact on the ideals and expectations that women have
> with regards to men unless, of course, one is a dolly bird or bimbo, but even
> those girls go chasing after money rather than looks. IMO, with women, for the
> most part, looks come last with respect to what constitutes a turn-on factor.
Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
Hmmm. Should I say it?
So how about those (shhhh) enlargers?
> >> >> > I know. It had caused a big problem around the word and I think it is
> >> stupid.
> >>
> >> More than stupid...it is criminal.
> >>
> >> >> > > >I am sure many will disagree with you. As Krissie said it's
> >> >> more shape that matters.
> >> >> > > >I don't think someone should not date a woman because she has
> >> >> more than a handful
> >> >> > > >and considering the hysteria around the globe with Pamela,
>
> >> Who's Pamela????
>
> >Anderson. Bay watch????
>
> Oh, THAT one. I have never watched Bay Watch and don't intend to. In fact, I
> rarely watch the telly at all anymore these days, as there is too much material
> at that IQ level cluttering up the screen.
You don't know what you missing. It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
One episode the day just before you go to bed and you sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep like a
baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
Just don't push it.
> >> >> > >Of course shape is the important thing. There are some
> >> >> > >weird shapes around, especially some of the artificial ones.
> >> >> > >Maybe some men want to return to babyhood? Of course
> >> >> > >there is a way to find out if they mean what they say. Easy :))))
> >>
> >> Yes, there is a very easy way indeed ;-)
> >>
> >> >> > What do you have in mind as a test?
> >>
> >> >> I'm not going to write that here. It wouldn't be a surprise then,
>
> >> Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees what you
> are
> >> planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
>
> >Are you sure you did not misunderstood what Anna was talking about?
>
> Yes, Miros...quite sure.
Well you know her better.
> >> >> and some people might not like it.
> >>
> >> >Ok write me an e-mail then. I want to see if we have the some thing in mind
> >> >:))))
>
> >> Miros, you know very well what Anna is referring to, unless, of course, you
> are
> >> hoping that she might reveal more in her e-mail ;-)
>
> >No I just want to see if the test i had in my mind is the same as her's.
> >Do you want me to post mine first? No problem. Just say so.
>
> Post or e-mail? I rather thought that what you two had in mind was more
> suitable for e-mail ;-)
No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither do most women.
LOLOLOLOLOL
MSP
Nevzat Akdemir
>
> "Turkish Coffee with no sugar." wrote:
>
> > In article <20000207025732...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
> > opate...@aol.com (OpaTennant) wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > what you are
> > > planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
> >
Nevzat Akdemir
>
> "Turkish Coffee with no sugar." wrote:
>
> > In article <20000207025732...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
> > opate...@aol.com (OpaTennant) wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > what you are
> > > planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
> >
> >
> > Hey you or Anna can do anything you want to, I don't care.
> > Just tell the lucky one don't touch my beer in the fridge.
> > He may loose his kneecaps. :-)
> >
> > nevzat (he he he)
>
> Sorry mate. I will replace it tomorrow. :-))
> (that is, Greek tomorrow hehehe).
>
> MSP
Ok, now tell me this then you wheelchair bound idiot,
which one was better? One word: Anna or Opa? Maybe you
should discuss this with both of them before you answer.
he he he.
OpaTennant
<38A2050F...@stsnet.gr>
>"Turkish Coffee with no sugar." wrote: in
article<20000207025732...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
>> opate...@aol.com (OpaTennant) wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees
>> what you are
>> > planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
>> [...]
>>
>> Hey you or Anna can do anything you want to, I don't care.
>> Just tell the lucky one don't touch my beer in the fridge.
>> He may loose his kneecaps. :-)
>>
>> nevzat (he he he)
>
>Sorry mate. I will replace it tomorrow. :-))
>(that is, Greek tomorrow hehehe).
>
>
>MSP
>
>If your child thinks he wants 'Murderous Bob, the Doll with
>the Face you can Rip Right Off,' you'd better get it. You may
>be worried that it might help to encourage your child's
>antisocial tendencies, but believe me, you have not seen anti-
>social tendencies until you've seen a child who is convinced
>that he or she did not get the right gift.
>- Dave Barry
Am I missing a message here or something? What a horrible quote, Miros! Why did
you put this in here! Is there really supposed to be such a thing? I know that
there is a toy guilliontine and that there are many computer games in which
kids can torture, rape, mutliate and murder their victims, but this takes the
cake! I am sure that you must have meant to be funny, but as a social
scientist, I can only respond in a spirit of abject disappointment and horror..
I realize that Western humor has become very sickie over the past decade or so,
but this is an all-time low.
Miros Pimenakis
OpaTennant wrote:
>
> Greek coffee with lot's of sugar mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
> <38A2050F...@stsnet.gr>
>
>
> >
> >If your child thinks he wants 'Murderous Bob, the Doll with
> >the Face you can Rip Right Off,' you'd better get it. You may
> >be worried that it might help to encourage your child's
> >antisocial tendencies, but believe me, you have not seen anti-
> >social tendencies until you've seen a child who is convinced
> >that he or she did not get the right gift.
> >- Dave Barry
>
> Am I missing a message here or something? What a horrible quote, Miros! Why did
> you put this in here! Is there really supposed to be such a thing? I know that
> there is a toy guilliontine and that there are many computer games in which
> kids can torture, rape, mutliate and murder their victims, but this takes the
> cake! I am sure that you must have meant to be funny, but as a social
> scientist, I can only respond in a spirit of abject disappointment and horror..
>
> I realize that Western humor has become very sickie over the past decade or so,
> but this is an all-time low.
Dear Krissie. I do not know if you have children to understand how true the above is.
You are commending on the first part of the quote even though that I am sure you know the
point is at the end. If you want to discuss more about it then tell me. For sure it has nothing to do with that horrible game though. It is used as a comparison.
MSP
OpaTennant
<38A2D39E...@bellsouth.net>
>Greek coffee with lot's of sugar wrote:
>> "Turkish Coffee with no sugar." wrote In
article<20000207025732...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
>> > opate...@aol.com (OpaTennant) wrote:
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees
>> > what you are
>> > > planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > Hey you or Anna can do anything you want to, I don't care.
>> > Just tell the lucky one don't touch my beer in the fridge.
>> > He may loose his kneecaps. :-)
>> >
>> > nevzat (he he he)
>> Sorry mate. I will replace it tomorrow. :-))
>> (that is, Greek tomorrow hehehe).
>>
>> MSP
>Ok, now tell me this then you wheelchair bound idiot,
>which one was better? One word: Anna or Opa? Maybe you
>should discuss this with both of them before you answer.
Nevzat, I don't think you have the full context of what is going on here. This
thread is an offshoot of an earlier thread (For Krissie-kat), which you
apparently have not read or are missing some messages. Either that or I am the
one missing something here. <G>
Discuss what? Now, just what were you referring to in your response, Nevzat,
and if it to what I think it was, then how would he know? ;-)
>he he he.
You have a very strange sense of humor, Nevzat. Must have something to do with
the great cultural divide ;-)
Nevzat Akdemir
This is very easy to answer. We were talking about drinking beer.
My beer to be specific. And the question was about who is better
at drinking beer, you or Anna. :-)
>
> >he he he.
>
> You have a very strange sense of humor, Nevzat. Must have something to do with
> the great cultural divide ;-)
Yeah comedy is weird sometimes.
You are correct that I did not follow the threads.
Is it ok. if I say 'sorry'?
nevzat
Kritifile
Miros is having nasty little thoughts about dropping a large Hawain
beauty queen on top of Aggie-tom? Naughty Miros.<G>
> > >> For example, there are those like Aggie who like the runway
> > >> model type. These models, who border on the verge of being
anorexic and who
> > >> tend to be extremely neurotic because of the demands of
their work (I know
> > >> because I had a close girlfriend who was in the stable of one
of the world's
> > >> top designers and she used to tell me horror stories about
what they had to
> > go
> > >> through psychologically working in the "meat market"), set
impossible
> > standards
> > >> for most females to imitate.
> >
> > >Why do you think they call it meat market dear?
> >
> > In more ways than one. In the modeling business, meat is ALL
that they
> > buy...not charm...not intelligence
>
> If they wanted those they were going to look in Universities.
> Don't you think?
>
Can't photograph intelligence. Reading would be too hard for some
poor men.
> > ...just meat. And the girls are treated
> > exactly like chattel.
>
> I think you are overreacting.
>
I don't think she is. I had a similar experience once in London. Too
short to be a catwalk model, but I had the odd photographic agency
after me. Some of the things they expected me to do! No way, it's
not worth that!!!!
> > The same girl I referred to above talked me into going to
> > her agency to try to sell my legs, as she felt they were
marketable for
> > advertising purposes, and she also told me that it would give me
an inside view
> > of how their business works. (Yep, they even *package* parts of
bodies only,
> > like hands, legs, etc. for commercials.)
>
> Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous legs in
South Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a man
:-)) I will find his name and tell
> you :)
> So we were saying?????
>
There are hand models, foot models...probably teeth models. I know
one man who would make a good model for lady's leg-wear...and enjoy
doing it, especially if he could wear a nice basque with it....LOL
> > Anyway, she helped me put together a portfolio and I went for a
screening
> > interview. Let me tell you, it is every bit as bad as people
claim it is! After
> > having to answer numerous personal questions about my bod and
lifestyle, I was
> > then asked if I was willing to accept any assignment that they
gave me. I asked
> > them what sort of assignments that would include, and when they
told me, I
> > nearly fell out of the chair (and this was one of the TOP
"respectable"
> > modeling agencies in London!) If that were not enough, he (yes,
it was a male
> > doing the screening) had me "perform" for him (walks, turns,
etc...okay, guys,
> > get your minds out of the gutter LOL)
>
> Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet
> LOLOL
>
Krissie, you know that you can't get mens minds out of the gutter
for more than a few seconds. <G>
I thought that American women were so aggressive they've practically
emasculated the American male. Certainly British women sometimes ask
first, but not many, and the men can't believe it when a woman gives
him a chat-up line. I know, I've been asked "what did you say" often
enough.
> > This means that
> > those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given
society's current
> > standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a
male's
> > attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so
on. For those
> > of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men
(i.e., who are not
> > afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no
need for such
> > things if one does not measure up to the social model because
they use their
> > other assets to gain a male's attention.
>
> As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
>
Are you thinking of the same assets as us, Miros?
> > The bottom line is that women should just be themselves,
regardless of whether
> > or not they "measure" up, although that seems to be very
difficult for women in
> > the West, particularly in the US and GB, far too many of whom
have unhealthy
> > attitudes towards sex to begin with and regard it as a necessary
evil, so, for
> > them, the idea of actively seducing a man is out of the
question.
>
> Do it for England my daughter?
>
That has gone out of fashion now. But I did meet a married woman
with ten children who thought sex was a burden women had to bear in
order to have children, and to cater to their husbands 'animal'
instincts.
> > >> Why can't men be like most women and turn on primarily to
people instead of
> > >> bodies?! After all, it is what a person says and does that
makes him or her
> > >> interesting or sexually appealing,...at least certainly in my
book.
> >
> > >Come again? Should I have to mention to you how anorexic the
men should be
> > >these days to suit women's standards? Have you seen many fat
men used as
> > >models?
> >
> > Again, we're talking Madison Avenue, except in this case, male
models do not
> > have as devastating an impact on the ideals and expectations
that women have
> > with regards to men unless, of course, one is a dolly bird or
bimbo, but even
> > those girls go chasing after money rather than looks. IMO, with
women, for the
> > most part, looks come last with respect to what constitutes a
turn-on factor.
>
> Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
>
Women treat men as meat? Women are sensible enough to know that you
can have a really stupid guy who looks gorgeous. Men are only
interested in a womans looks (most, anyway).
Operation or something else?
> > >> >> > I know. It had caused a big problem around the word and
I think it is
> > >> stupid.
> > >>
> > >> More than stupid...it is criminal.
> > >>
> > >> >> > > >I am sure many will disagree with you. As Krissie
said it's
> > >> >> more shape that matters.
> > >> >> > > >I don't think someone should not date a woman because
she has
> > >> >> more than a handful
> > >> >> > > >and considering the hysteria around the globe with
Pamela,
> >
> > >> Who's Pamela????
> >
> > >Anderson. Bay watch????
> >
> > Oh, THAT one. I have never watched Bay Watch and don't intend
to. In fact, I
> > rarely watch the telly at all anymore these days, as there is
too much material
> > at that IQ level cluttering up the screen.
>
> You don't know what you missing. It's the best natural replacement
of Valioum. LOL
> One episode the day just before you go to bed and you
sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep like a
> baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
>
Do you like all those muscle-bound freaks, Krissie? The guys and
girls in Baywatch are both artificial, so is the dialogue. I agree
about it putting you to sleep, but not about any pleasant dreams.
Not Baywatch.
It is nice, isn't it Krissie. :-)))
> Just don't push it.
>
Push what? O:-)
> > >> >> > >Of course shape is the important thing. There are some
> > >> >> > >weird shapes around, especially some of the artificial
ones.
> > >> >> > >Maybe some men want to return to babyhood? Of course
> > >> >> > >there is a way to find out if they mean what they say.
Easy :))))
> > >>
> > >> Yes, there is a very easy way indeed ;-)
> > >>
> > >> >> > What do you have in mind as a test?
> > >>
> > >> >> I'm not going to write that here. It wouldn't be a
surprise then,
> >
> > >> Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he
sees what you
> > are
> > >> planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
> >
> > >Are you sure you did not misunderstood what Anna was talking
about?
> >
> > Yes, Miros...quite sure.
>
> Well you know her better.
>
Me and Krissie have some things in common. ;-)
> > >> >> and some people might not like it.
> > >>
> > >> >Ok write me an e-mail then. I want to see if we have the
some thing in mind
> > >> >:))))
> >
> > >> Miros, you know very well what Anna is referring to, unless,
of course, you
> > are
> > >> hoping that she might reveal more in her e-mail ;-)
> >
> > >No I just want to see if the test i had in my mind is the same
as her's.
> > >Do you want me to post mine first? No problem. Just say so.
> >
> > Post or e-mail? I rather thought that what you two had in mind
was more
> > suitable for e-mail ;-)
>
> No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither do
most women.
> LOLOLOLOLOL
>
How right you are, Miros. A pity more men don't think the same way
about that. <G>
> MSP
>
>
>
>
Kritifile
"Aggie-Tom" <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message
news:Bwro4.24590$PG6.166895@news2-hme0...
journalist
> posed a photographer to get inside the business and filmed exactly
what you
> said happened in all the worlds top model agencies, right up to
the top
> bosses who behaved like porn merchants and were even openly racist
against
> their top modes including people like Naomi Campbell.
>
>
into the
> other
> >room and strip COMPLETELY!!! I couldn't believe it!!! I really
couldn't
> believe
>
>
Krissie was lucky. I had to run from the 'casting couch'......
Kritifile
"Nevzat Akdemir" <nev...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:38A2D39E...@bellsouth.net...
> Greek coffee with lot's of sugar wrote:
> >
> > "Turkish Coffee with no sugar." wrote:
> >
> > > In article <20000207025732...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
> > > opate...@aol.com (OpaTennant) wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
he sees
> > > what you are
> > > > planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey you or Anna can do anything you want to, I don't care.
> > > Just tell the lucky one don't touch my beer in the fridge.
> > > He may loose his kneecaps. :-)
> > >
> > > nevzat (he he he)
> >
Nevzat, I think you haven't been following this thread, or rather
the two before this one. What are you talking about?
--
Anna
> > Sorry mate. I will replace it tomorrow. :-))
> > (that is, Greek tomorrow hehehe).
> >
> > MSP
>
>
>
> Ok, now tell me this then you wheelchair bound idiot,
> which one was better? One word: Anna or Opa? Maybe you
> should discuss this with both of them before you answer.
>
> he he he.
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <87vc3t$1qo$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com>...
>
>"Aggie-Tom" <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message
>news:Bwro4.24590$PG6.166895@news2-hme0...
>>
>girl had
>> to
>> >put up with every day.
>> >
>>
>
>
Now what I want to know is why you were expecting any different. After all
nearly all catwalk models are over 5'8'' and you are both much shorter.
Usually shorter women are only taken on as photographic, meaning Page 3,
models.
See what I mean.
OpaTennant
>OpaTennant wrote:
>> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>> >OpaTennant wrote:
>> >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>> >> >Kritifile wrote:
>> >> >> "Miros wrote
>> >> >> > Kritifile wrote:
>> >> >> > > Miros wrote:
>> >> >> > > >And the ideals of a "perfect woman" some people try to feed us.
>> >> >> > > >Well I don't like other's to tell me what I should look like
>> >> >> and especially in that matter.
>>
>> >> What's even worse is that social trends vary greatly. What is sexy in one
>> >> culture is not in another and the same thing holds true for trends
overtime
>> >> within a culture.
>>
>> >I've watched the results of the beauty contest in Africa some time ago.
Guess
>> >who won. :))))))
>> >For sure not the more anorexic one :)))))))))
>> In many cultures, fleshpots are regarded as being much sexier than slim
>women.
>> Hawaii is probably the most outstanding example of this, where some
>indigenous
>> "beauty queens" attain as much as 300 + pounds in weight!
>Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
>There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
>Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite of
Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
><Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
You mean, like send him on a dream trip to Hawaii?...LOLOL
>> >> For example, there are those like Aggie who like the runway
>> >> model type. These models, who border on the verge of being anorexic and
>who
>> >> tend to be extremely neurotic because of the demands of their work (I
>know
>> >> because I had a close girlfriend who was in the stable of one of the
>world's
>> >> top designers and she used to tell me horror stories about what they had
to
>> go
>> >> through psychologically working in the "meat market"), set impossible
>> standards
>> >> for most females to imitate.
>>
>> >Why do you think they call it meat market dear?
>>
>> In more ways than one. In the modeling business, meat is ALL that they
>> buy...not charm...not intelligence
>If they wanted those they were going to look in Universities.
>Don't you think?
>> ...just meat. And the girls are treated
>> exactly like chattel.
>I think you are overreacting.
Not at all. I met some of those models who told me all the inside dope. Then I
went through the preliminaries myself so I got a glimpse of what the whole ugly
business is like, and it is NOT glamorous. Moreover the girls have NO freedom,
even in their personal life. If they show up for work with an extra pound, dark
circles under the eyes, or a flaw on their complexion, they are out! They have
to follow a strict regimen in everything. And they also have to be nice to the
designers clients, if you know what I mean.
>> The same girl I referred to above talked me into going to
>> her agency to try to sell my legs, as she felt they were marketable for
>> advertising purposes, and she also told me that it would give me an inside
view
>> of how their business works. (Yep, they even *package* parts of bodies only,
>> like hands, legs, etc. for commercials.)
>Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous legs in South
>Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a man :-)) I will
>find his name and tell you :)
Are you serious? I hadn't heard about that.
>So we were saying?????
>> Anyway, she helped me put together a portfolio and I went for a screening
>> interview. Let me tell you, it is every bit as bad as people claim it is!
After
>> having to answer numerous personal questions about my bod and lifestyle, I
>was
>> then asked if I was willing to accept any assignment that they gave me. I
>asked
>> them what sort of assignments that would include, and when they told me, I
>> nearly fell out of the chair (and this was one of the TOP "respectable"
>> modeling agencies in London!) If that were not enough, he (yes, it was a
male
>> doing the screening) had me "perform" for him (walks, turns, etc...okay,
guys,
>> get your minds out of the gutter LOL)
>Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet LOLOL
Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
>> But, then, came the worst humiliation of all! I was told to go into the
other
>> room and strip COMPLETELY!!! I couldn't believe it!!! I really couldn't
>believe
>> that one of the top modeling agencies in the city would require that. When I
>> protested, the man got very curt with me and told me that he was not buying
>> uninspected goods! He said that he had to be certain that everything I had
was
>> real (i.e., no padding) and that I had no defects or blemishes. When I
>> continued to balk at the whole idea, he asked me whether I wanted them to
>> represent me or not and, if so, I had to do what I was told.
>> Well, Krissie-kat didn't even answer the fellow and, instead, beat a hasty
>> retreat out the door. When I got home and my girlfriend asked me how it
went,
>> she was practically rolling on the floor laughing, because she already knew
>> what I had been subjected to and could tell from my state of shock what my
>> reaction had been. Oh, well, at least I got a realistic picture of what the
>> so-called "glamorous" life of a model is like and what that poor girl had to
>> put up with every day.
>That's my girl. :)
>But what happened to the lioness I knew?
Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform in circusses.
That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
>Didn't you do anything to him?
The only thing I felt like doing was kicking him in the watoozie! After all, I
was offering my legs for sale, not my whole bod! Why should I have had to strip
down completely? Anyway, the guy was a total turnoff...absolutely not human.
And he made me feel *exactly* like a piece of meat the way he was inspecting
me. They even frisk you before they ask you to disrobe! I felt like I was under
arrest or something.
And you wouldn't believe the questions they ask about your personal life! It
was worse than the interviews they put one through with the "company"!
>Just left?
Yep...I snatched my portfolio off his desk and stormed out of the room. And he
just laughed and told me that if I changed my mind, to call and set up another
appointment, that they could definitely use my legs... But, then, he added that
I still had to go through the complete physical. Those guys must be real duds
in bed. Sleeping with one of them would be like sleeping with a gynecologist!
>> >> On the other hand, there is the Hugh Heffner
>> >> (Playboy) "ideal" with the huge boobs which has led to the burgeoning of
>> the
>> >> plastic surgery business in the West and again threatens to make freaks
>> >>out of women, sometimes with dire consequences.
>>
>> >If they are so stupid to do it who is to be blamed? Us the males again?
>>
>> It's a two-way street, Miros, although I am rather inclined to put the
>blame on
>> females. However, realistically it is the combined fault of western sexual
>> mores, which foster immature and unhealthy attitudes towards sex and, more
>> specifically, of Madison Avenue, Hollywood, and publishers like Playboy,
>which
>> present body "ideals" that are both unhealthy and, for most women,
>> unattainable.
>>
>> And don't forget, Miros, that most women (at least in GB and the US) are
>not
>> sexually aggressive and wait for a man to make the first move.
>Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
>I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the exact
>opposite. :'-(
Now why do I get the distinct feeling that Miros is not taking Krissie-kat
seriously at all? ;-P
Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually* aggressive.
Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the wrong way.
They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers. Secondly, lying down on
one's back on the first date and *letting* the man do it (like a certain friend
of mine used to do, even though she hated sex) does not constitute seductive
behavior, at least not in my book. Now, if you find that sexually stimulating,
then you must be either a masochist or a necrophiliac ;-)
>Now look what you've done to me. T_T
Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again, Miros?...LOLOL
>The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
>San Francisco.
Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead ;-)
>I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men. Hmmm...is that the
only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
>> This means that
>> those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given society's
current
>> standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a male's
>> attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so on. For
those
>> of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men (i.e., who are
not
>> afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no need for such
>> things if one does not measure up to the social model because they use their
>> other assets to gain a male's attention.
>
>As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
Are you having pleasant fancies, Miros? As the old saying goes, there's more
than one way to skin a cat ;-) And there are *many* ways to seduce a tom >;-)))
>> The bottom line is that women should just be themselves, regardless of
whether
>> or not they "measure" up, although that seems to be very difficult for women
in
>> the West, particularly in the US and GB, far too many of whom have
unhealthy
>> attitudes towards sex to begin with and regard it as a necessary evil, so,
for
>> them, the idea of actively seducing a man is out of the question.
>Do it for England my daughter?
You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they ever bloody think
about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village, I would watch the
men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women would evidence no
response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack about British males!
It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become extinct by now!
>> >> Why can't men be like most women and turn on primarily to people instead
of
>> >> bodies?! After all, it is what a person says and does that makes him or
>her
>> >> interesting or sexually appealing,...at least certainly in my book.
>>
>> >Come again? Should I have to mention to you how anorexic the men should be
>> >these days to suit women's standards? Have you seen many fat men used as
>> >models?
>> Again, we're talking Madison Avenue, except in this case, male models do not
>> have as devastating an impact on the ideals and expectations that women have
>> with regards to men unless, of course, one is a dolly bird or bimbo, but
even
>> those girls go chasing after money rather than looks. IMO, with women, for
>the
>> most part, looks come last with respect to what constitutes a turn-on
factor.
>Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
Given how much the majority of women (at least in GB and the US) dislike sex
and how few actually have orgasms (based on studies and on info that *many* of
my female friends have told me), that would hardly be a realistic assumption.
As for the ones who do enjoy it, they are rarely promiscuous, so again that
concept would not apply. The only exception might be "working girls" who could
very well view men in that fashion or even worse.
You mean what some guys do? Does it really work, or have you tried it yet? ;-)
Just what are they anyway? The only thing I can picture is some device that
resembles an old fashioned tire pump ...LOLOL
>> >> >> > > >I am sure many will disagree with you. As Krissie said it's
>> >> >> more shape that matters.
>> >> >> > > >I don't think someone should not date a woman because she has
>> >> >> more than a handful
>> >> >> > > >and considering the hysteria around the globe with Pamela,
>>
>> >> Who's Pamela????
>>
>> >Anderson. Bay watch????
>>
>> Oh, THAT one. I have never watched Bay Watch and don't intend to. In fact, I
>> rarely watch the telly at all anymore these days, as there is too much
>material
>> at that IQ level cluttering up the screen.
>You don't know what you missing.
Miros, dear, I am a girl, so I am not missing anything. Unless, that is, you're
referring to all those so-called hunks that appear on the show. However, I'm
afraid they don't do much for this kitty. I get more of a turnon from watching
Count Dracula than something like that. Believe it or not, I find someone like
the actor Harvey Keitel far more sexy than those sterile Hollywood androids. He
may not be handsome but he is very sexy.
>It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
You mean, Viagra, dear, don't you? ;-)))
>One episode the day just before you go to bed and you sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
>like a
>baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
So, that's what you guys do when you watch Baywatch! Have you had your eyes
checked lately, dear? You may need a new prescription <LOL>
Now what is that threat all about? <G> Anyway, do you really expect us to
believe you now after what you've just said about Baywatch? ;-)
>> >> >> > >Of course shape is the important thing. There are some
>> >> >> > >weird shapes around, especially some of the artificial ones.
>> >> >> > >Maybe some men want to return to babyhood? Of course
>> >> >> > >there is a way to find out if they mean what they say. Easy :))))
>> >>
>> >> Yes, there is a very easy way indeed ;-)
>> >>
>> >> >> > What do you have in mind as a test?
>> >>
>> >> >> I'm not going to write that here. It wouldn't be a surprise then,
>>
>> >> Oh??? You're going to make Nevzat very jealous, Anna, when he sees what
you
>> are
>> >> planning to do, not to mention poor little Aggie-tom <LOL>
>>
>> >Are you sure you did not misunderstood what Anna was talking about?
>>
>> Yes, Miros...quite sure.
>Well you know her better.
Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two against one here ;-)
>> >> >> and some people might not like it.
>> >>
>> >> >Ok write me an e-mail then. I want to see if we have the some thing in
mind
>> >> >:))))
>>
>> >> Miros, you know very well what Anna is referring to, unless, of course,
you
>> are
>> >> hoping that she might reveal more in her e-mail ;-)
>>
>> >No I just want to see if the test i had in my mind is the same as her's.
>> >Do you want me to post mine first? No problem. Just say so.
>> Post or e-mail? I rather thought that what you two had in mind was more
>> suitable for e-mail ;-)
>No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither do most women.
>LOLOLOLOLOL
I said e-mail, not IM, Miros...LOLOL
But you're right about the pace at least ;-)
Miros Pimenakis
Kritifile wrote:
>
> "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
> news:38A202B5...@stsnet.gr...
>
> > Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
> > There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
> > Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
> > <Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
> >
>
> Miros is having nasty little thoughts about dropping a large Hawain
> beauty queen on top of Aggie-tom? Naughty Miros.<G>
Who? Me? :-o
> > If they wanted those they were going to look in Universities.
> > Don't you think?
> >
>
> Can't photograph intelligence. Reading would be too hard for some
> poor men.
And some poor women.
> >
> > I think you are overreacting.
> >
>
> I don't think she is. I had a similar experience once in London. Too
> short to be a catwalk model, but I had the odd photographic agency
> after me. Some of the things they expected me to do! No way, it's
> not worth that!!!!
Maybe not for you and Krissie but for some obviously it does.
> > Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous legs in
> South Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a man
> :-)) I will find his name and tell
> > you :)
> > So we were saying?????
> >
>
> There are hand models, foot models...probably teeth models. I know
> one man who would make a good model for lady's leg-wear...and enjoy
> doing it, especially if he could wear a nice basque with it....LOL
Basque? What do you mean by that?
> > Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet
> > LOLOL
> >
>
> Krissie, you know that you can't get mens minds out of the gutter
> for more than a few seconds. <G>
Look here. just because you do not enjoy sex as much as we do, it does
not mean that we are in the "gutter". Ok?
> > Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
> > I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the
> exact opposite. :'-(
> > Now look what you've done to me. T_T
> > The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right
> city.
> > San Francisco. I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
> >
>
> I thought that American women were so aggressive they've practically
> emasculated the American male.
That's what I though also.
> Certainly British women sometimes ask
> first, but not many, and the men can't believe it when a woman gives
> him a chat-up line. I know, I've been asked "what did you say" often
> enough.
So your minds are also in the "gutter" ?
LOL
> > > This means that
> > > those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given
> society's current
> > > standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a
> male's
> > > attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so
> on. For those
> > > of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men
> (i.e., who are not
> > > afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no
> need for such
> > > things if one does not measure up to the social model because
> they use their
> > > other assets to gain a male's attention.
> >
> > As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
> >
>
> Are you thinking of the same assets as us, Miros?
Yes I do. In fact they are very important for me.
> > Do it for England my daughter?
> >
>
> That has gone out of fashion now. But I did meet a married woman
> with ten children who thought sex was a burden women had to bear in
> order to have children, and to cater to their husbands 'animal'
> instincts.
Thanks God it did you mean.
> > Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
> >
>
> Women treat men as meat? Women are sensible enough to know that you
> can have a really stupid guy who looks gorgeous. Men are only
> interested in a womans looks (most, anyway).
I agree that most men think that way but I know most
women that do that as well. Otherwise why you have all those women
magazines with gorgeous guys in them? To look at their "intelligence"?????
> >
> > Hmmm. Should I say it?
> > So how about those (shhhh) enlargers?
> >
>
> Operation or something else?
Something else. Read my reply to Krissie about that.
> > You don't know what you missing. It's the best natural replacement
> of Valioum. LOL
> > One episode the day just before you go to bed and you
> sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep like a
> > baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
> >
>
> Do you like all those muscle-bound freaks, Krissie? The guys and
> girls in Baywatch are both artificial, so is the dialogue. I agree
> about it putting you to sleep, but not about any pleasant dreams.
> Not Baywatch.
Why not? Did I say that I dream THEM specifically? Don't tell me it
is not a woman's dream to have a gorgeous looking husband but also
sensitive, intelligent etc.
> > Just don't push it.
> >
>
> Push what? O:-)
The whole subject. 0:-)
> >
> > Well you know her better.
> >
>
> Me and Krissie have some things in common. ;-)
Like me and Aggie???
> > No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither do
> most women.
> > LOLOLOLOLOL
> >
>
> How right you are, Miros. A pity more men don't think the same way
> about that. <G>
It's also a pity that most women are not prepared to ask from their mates
what they want and then think that sex is a disgusting act or just for
reproduction purposes.
MSP
Miros Pimenakis
OpaTennant wrote:
>
> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message<38A202B5...@stsnet.gr
>
> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
>
> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
Did you ask me? :))
>
> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
>
> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite of
> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that post of mine.
> ><Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
>
> You mean, like send him on a dream trip to Hawaii?...LOLOL
Yes and prepay one of those queens to give some "special" treatment to Aggie :)))
> >I think you are overreacting.
>
> Not at all. I met some of those models who told me all the inside dope. Then I
> went through the preliminaries myself so I got a glimpse of what the whole ugly
> business is like, and it is NOT glamorous. Moreover the girls have NO freedom,
> even in their personal life. If they show up for work with an extra pound, dark
> circles under the eyes, or a flaw on their complexion, they are out! They have
> to follow a strict regimen in everything. And they also have to be nice to the
> designers clients, if you know what I mean.
I think you are limiting the problems they have to face. How about drugs and alcohol.
I mean they go for a fashion show and before they have the chance to say no they
have a glass of champagne in their hands. How many of those models are drug addicts or
become alcoholics? How many had killed themselves because of that?
> >> The same girl I referred to above talked me into going to
> >> her agency to try to sell my legs, as she felt they were marketable for
> >> advertising purposes, and she also told me that it would give me an inside
> view
> >> of how their business works. (Yep, they even *package* parts of bodies only,
> >> like hands, legs, etc. for commercials.)
>
> >Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous legs in South
> >Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a man :-)) I will
> >find his name and tell you :)
>
> Are you serious? I hadn't heard about that.
Oh yes. He is famous in South Africa. I will tell you his name as soon as I ask one
of my South African friends.
>
> >Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet LOLOL
>
> Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
What is wrong with hope?
> >That's my girl. :)
> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
>
> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform in circusses.
> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
> >Didn't you do anything to him?
>
> The only thing I felt like doing was kicking him in the watoozie! After all, I
> was offering my legs for sale, not my whole bod! Why should I have had to strip
> down completely? Anyway, the guy was a total turnoff...absolutely not human.
> And he made me feel *exactly* like a piece of meat the way he was inspecting
> me. They even frisk you before they ask you to disrobe! I felt like I was under
> arrest or something.
So why didn't you return the same feeling back at him? I am sure it is very easy to do it
and you know how. :)))
> And you wouldn't believe the questions they ask about your personal life! It
> was worse than the interviews they put one through with the "company"!
>
> >Just left?
>
> Yep...I snatched my portfolio off his desk and stormed out of the room. And he
> just laughed and told me that if I changed my mind, to call and set up another
> appointment, that they could definitely use my legs... But, then, he added that
> I still had to go through the complete physical. Those guys must be real duds
> in bed. Sleeping with one of them would be like sleeping with a gynecologist!
Come again? Is that "gynaecologist" American humour?
>
> >Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
> >I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the exact
> >opposite. :'-(
>
> Now why do I get the distinct feeling that Miros is not taking Krissie-kat
> seriously at all? ;-P
But I am :))
What's wrong with some humour? Do you really want to have a very serious conversation?
Ah, and put that tongue back in.
> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually* aggressive.
> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the wrong way.
> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks lied to me? :-o
> Secondly, lying down on
> one's back on the first date and *letting* the man do it (like a certain friend
> of mine used to do, even though she hated sex) does not constitute seductive
> behavior, at least not in my book. Now, if you find that sexually stimulating,
> then you must be either a masochist or a necrophiliac ;-)
I don't find that sexually stimulating but if it is not seductive behaviour then will you please tell me what that is?
>
> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
>
> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again, Miros?...LOLOL
T_T = major tears
What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
> >San Francisco.
>
> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead ;-)
Are they desperate there also?
> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
>
> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men. Hmmm...is that the
> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
What do you have in mind honey?
> >> This means that
> >> those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given society's
> current
> >> standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a male's
> >> attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so on. For
> those
> >> of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men (i.e., who are
> not
> >> afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no need for such
> >> things if one does not measure up to the social model because they use their
> >> other assets to gain a male's attention.
> >
> >As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
>
> Are you having pleasant fancies, Miros? As the old saying goes, there's more
> than one way to skin a cat ;-) And there are *many* ways to seduce a tom >;-)))
Tell us about them :))
> >Do it for England my daughter?
>
> You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they ever bloody think
> about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village, I would watch the
> men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women would evidence no
> response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack about British males!
> It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become extinct by now!
I think that is a British expression rather than a Greek one.
> >Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
>
> Given how much the majority of women (at least in GB and the US) dislike sex
> and how few actually have orgasms (based on studies and on info that *many* of
> my female friends have told me), that would hardly be a realistic assumption.
> As for the ones who do enjoy it, they are rarely promiscuous, so again that
> concept would not apply. The only exception might be "working girls" who could
> very well view men in that fashion or even worse.
So you mean that the women who sleep with a man and do not enjoy it at all do
not consider them as meat? But as what? Stallions?
> >Hmmm. Should I say it?
> >So how about those (shhhh) enlargers?
>
> You mean what some guys do? Does it really work, or have you tried it yet? ;-)
> Just what are they anyway? The only thing I can picture is some device that
> resembles an old fashioned tire pump ...LOLOL
I haven't tried or seen any. But what your described is what I think it might be.
I think that the men that use them are either really desperate or think that it
will give them the confidence they lack of. As a final though it can also be with
all those porno movies they watch.
In any case I've never met anyone that used that to know if it helped him or not and i have serious reasons to doubt. The men that think in that way are stupid as far as I
am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the last thing that will attract a woman.
> >You don't know what you missing.
>
> Miros, dear, I am a girl, so I am not missing anything. Unless, that is, you're
> referring to all those so-called hunks that appear on the show. However, I'm
> afraid they don't do much for this kitty. I get more of a turnon from watching
> Count Dracula than something like that. Believe it or not, I find someone like
> the actor Harvey Keitel far more sexy than those sterile Hollywood androids. He
> may not be handsome but he is very sexy.
You've misunderstood my point.
> >It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
>
> You mean, Viagra, dear, don't you? ;-)))
No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
> >One episode the day just before you go to bed and you sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
> >like a
> >baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
>
> So, that's what you guys do when you watch Baywatch! Have you had your eyes
> checked lately, dear? You may need a new prescription <LOL>
Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I say that I dream of those
faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
> >Just don't push it.
>
> Now what is that threat all about? <G> Anyway, do you really expect us to
> believe you now after what you've just said about Baywatch? ;-)
It's not my fault if you misunderstood me completely.
You do believe me anyway so why are you denying it now? :)
> >Well you know her better.
>
> Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two against one here ;-)
Are you proposing something dear? :)))
> >No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither do most women.
> >LOLOLOLOLOL
>
> I said e-mail, not IM, Miros...LOLOL
> But you're right about the pace at least ;-)
I am right about many things. But anyway.
MSP
Kritifile
>
>
> Kritifile wrote:
> >
> > "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
> > news:38A202B5...@stsnet.gr...
> >
> > > Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
> > > There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
> > > Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
> > > <Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
> > >
> >
> > Miros is having nasty little thoughts about dropping a large
Hawain
> > beauty queen on top of Aggie-tom? Naughty Miros.<G>
>
> Who? Me? :-o
>
Were you Miros? I thought that wasn't what you had in mind. More
like getting Aggie-tom squashed by a Hawian beauty queen. :)
>
> > > If they wanted those they were going to look in Universities.
> > > Don't you think?
> > >
> >
> > Can't photograph intelligence. Reading would be too hard for
some
> > poor men.
>
> And some poor women.
>
True, unfortunately.
> > >
> > > I think you are overreacting.
> > >
> >
> > I don't think she is. I had a similar experience once in London.
Too
> > short to be a catwalk model, but I had the odd photographic
agency
> > after me. Some of the things they expected me to do! No way,
it's
> > not worth that!!!!
>
> Maybe not for you and Krissie but for some obviously it does.
>
I feel sorry for those. Prostituting themselves in the hope of a
little fame...
> > > Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous
legs in
> > South Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a
man
> > :-)) I will find his name and tell
> > > you :)
> > > So we were saying?????
> > >
> >
> > There are hand models, foot models...probably teeth models. I
know
> > one man who would make a good model for lady's leg-wear...and
enjoy
> > doing it, especially if he could wear a nice basque with
it....LOL
>
> Basque? What do you mean by that?
>
A woman's garment, intented to be worn under clothes, that is a
brassiere, suspender belt, and everything in between, all in one.
Lacy, figure-hugging thing.
> > > Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet
> > > LOLOL
> > >
> >
> > Krissie, you know that you can't get mens minds out of the
gutter
> > for more than a few seconds. <G>
>
> Look here. just because you do not enjoy sex as much as we do, it
does
> not mean that we are in the "gutter". Ok?
>
Women not enjoying sex as much as men! Huh!!! We may not think about
doing it as often, but we enjoy it more than men. More staying
power, that's for sure. ;-)
> > > Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
> > > I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told
the
> > exact opposite. :'-(
> > > Now look what you've done to me. T_T
> > > The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the
right
> > city.
> > > San Francisco. I've heard the women there are REALLY
desperate.
> > >
> >
> > I thought that American women were so aggressive they've
practically
> > emasculated the American male.
>
> That's what I though also.
>
> > Certainly British women sometimes ask
> > first, but not many, and the men can't believe it when a woman
gives
> > him a chat-up line. I know, I've been asked "what did you say"
often
> > enough.
>
> So your minds are also in the "gutter" ?
> LOL
>
It is at times, of course. Who's isn't? Men don't have a monopoly,
you know. <G>
> > > > This means that
> > > > those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a
given
> > society's current
> > > > standards) will lose out if they don't do something to
attract a
> > male's
> > > > attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and
so
> > on. For those
> > > > of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men
> > (i.e., who are not
> > > > afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no
> > need for such
> > > > things if one does not measure up to the social model
because
> > they use their
> > > > other assets to gain a male's attention.
> > >
> > > As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
> > >
> >
> > Are you thinking of the same assets as us, Miros?
>
> Yes I do. In fact they are very important for me.
>
Thought so.
> > > Do it for England my daughter?
> > >
> >
> > That has gone out of fashion now. But I did meet a married woman
> > with ten children who thought sex was a burden women had to bear
in
> > order to have children, and to cater to their husbands 'animal'
> > instincts.
>
> Thanks God it did you mean.
>
I certainly do. That was a way to keep women enslaved.
> > > Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
> > >
> >
> > Women treat men as meat? Women are sensible enough to know that
you
> > can have a really stupid guy who looks gorgeous. Men are only
> > interested in a womans looks (most, anyway).
>
> I agree that most men think that way but I know most
> women that do that as well. Otherwise why you have all those women
> magazines with gorgeous guys in them? To look at their
"intelligence"?????
>
Nothing wrong with looking at something that is pleasant to look at.
But women don't have the same visual sex tap that is turned on by
those pictures that men do. Of course they appreciate a good-looking
man, but personality is important. Most women wouldn't enjoy doing
it with an insensitive pig, no matter how good he looked.
> > >
> > > Hmmm. Should I say it?
> > > So how about those (shhhh) enlargers?
> > >
> >
> > Operation or something else?
>
> Something else. Read my reply to Krissie about that.
>
>
> > > You don't know what you missing. It's the best natural
replacement
> > of Valioum. LOL
> > > One episode the day just before you go to bed and you
> > sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep like a
> > > baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
> > >
> >
> > Do you like all those muscle-bound freaks, Krissie? The guys and
> > girls in Baywatch are both artificial, so is the dialogue. I
agree
> > about it putting you to sleep, but not about any pleasant
dreams.
> > Not Baywatch.
>
> Why not? Did I say that I dream THEM specifically? Don't tell me
it
> is not a woman's dream to have a gorgeous looking husband but also
> sensitive, intelligent etc.
>
Of course it is. But Baywatch? Pass the viagra.
> > > Just don't push it.
> > >
> >
> > Push what? O:-)
>
> The whole subject. 0:-)
>
Little angel, are you? }:-)
> > >
> > > Well you know her better.
> > >
> >
> > Me and Krissie have some things in common. ;-)
>
> Like me and Aggie???
>
Do you? If so, that gives me a much better idea of things. ;-)
> > > No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither
do
> > most women.
> > > LOLOLOLOLOL
> > >
> >
> > How right you are, Miros. A pity more men don't think the same
way
> > about that. <G>
>
> It's also a pity that most women are not prepared to ask from
their mates
> what they want and then think that sex is a disgusting act or just
for
> reproduction purposes.
>
Surely most don't still do that? Neither a man or a woman is a mind
reader, and how could anyone think sex disgusting. If it was only
for reproductive purposes we wouldn't be interested in it at all
most of the time. Like animals that only rut at particular times of
year.
> MSP
>
>
>
>
OpaTennant
>OpaTennant wrote:
>> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
>> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
>Did you ask me? :))
No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly, you can always
e-mail them <LOL>
>> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
>> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
>> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite of
>> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
>With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that post of mine.
What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are* you, anyway?
Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
>> ><Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
>> You mean, like send him on a dream trip to Hawaii?...LOLOL
>Yes and prepay one of those queens to give some "special" treatment to Aggie
>:)))
LOLOL.... Poor Aggie-tom. He would end up as a "bareskin" rug by the
bed...oops! I meant bearskin rug <G>.
>> >I think you are overreacting.
>> Not at all. I met some of those models who told me all the inside dope. Then
I
>> went through the preliminaries myself so I got a glimpse of what the whole
ugly
>> business is like, and it is NOT glamorous. Moreover the girls have NO
>freedom,
>> even in their personal life. If they show up for work with an extra pound,
dark
>> circles under the eyes, or a flaw on their complexion, they are out! They
have
>> to follow a strict regimen in everything. And they also have to be nice to
the
>> designer's clients, if you know what I mean.
>I think you are limiting the problems they have to face. How about drugs and
alcohol.
>I mean they go for a fashion show and before they have the chance to say no
>they
>have a glass of champagne in their hands. How many of those models are drug
>addicts or
>become alcoholics? How many had killed themselves because of that?
You are not being realistic, Miros. Models cannot be alcoholics or drug
addicts. They can be other things, but not that, especially the super models,
the reason being that it would show physically and they'd be out on the street
immediately. They have to be in *perfect* physical condition, which means NO
drugs, NO alcohol (except for the occasional glass of wine with dinner or
champagne at a reception), a strict diet, sufficient sleep (no staying out late
at night partying), and plenty of exercise. The only thing they can indulge in
is sex but most of the models develop a dislike for that even because of the
circumstances involved.
As for doing themselves in, when they do that it is because they are cast out
into the street as "old" women at a very early age, like 30 *maximum*. And most
of them have no other assets to offer on the job market, so it means they have
to either hook a husband or well-off lover quickly or else they will end up
simply having to hook period. That's when they turn to alcohol and drugs, and
some do end up doing themselves in.
>> >> The same girl I referred to above talked me into going to
>> >> her agency to try to sell my legs, as she felt they were marketable for
>> >> advertising purposes, and she also told me that it would give me an
inside
>> view
>> >> of how their business works. (Yep, they even *package* parts of bodies
only,
>> >> like hands, legs, etc. for commercials.)
>> >Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous legs in South
>> >Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a man :-)) I will
>> >find his name and tell you :)
>> Are you serious? I hadn't heard about that.
>Oh yes. He is famous in South Africa. I will tell you his name as soon as I
>ask one
>of my South African friends.
>> >Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet LOLOL
>> Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
>What is wrong with hope?
Nothing at all, Miros. It often gets us what we want :-)
>> >That's my girl. :)
>> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
>> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform in circusses.
>> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
>Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
>> >Didn't you do anything to him?
>> The only thing I felt like doing was kicking him in the watoozie! After all,
I
>> was offering my legs for sale, not my whole bod! Why should I have had to
strip
>> down completely? Anyway, the guy was a total turnoff...absolutely not human.
>> And he made me feel *exactly* like a piece of meat the way he was inspecting
>> me. They even frisk you before they ask you to disrobe! I felt like I was
under
>> arrest or something.
>So why didn't you return the same feeling back at him? I am sure it is very
easy to do it and you know how. :)))
LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now, why didn't *I* think
of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how? Hmmm.... Krissie-kat is
starting to get paranoid again. Now, could Miros possibly be that sensational
guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those wonderful nights
we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
>> >Just left?
>> Yep...I snatched my portfolio off his desk and stormed out of the room. And
he
>> just laughed and told me that if I changed my mind, to call and set up
>another
>> appointment, that they could definitely use my legs... But, then, he added
that
>> I still had to go through the complete physical. Those guys must be real
duds
>> in bed. Sleeping with one of them would be like sleeping with a
gynecologist!
>Come again? Is that "gynaecologist" American humour?
OH! OH! Is Krissie-kat talking to a gynaecologist? <G> If she is, then she
extends her apologies. It just seems to me that sex must be a terribly boring
pursuit for gynaecologists after having the same subject matter staring them
in the face all day every day.<G> Hmmm... I wonder what they do to liven up
their sex life ;-)
On the other hand though, maybe that is why some men become gynaecologists:
they just can't get enough of a good thing! <G>
>> >Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
>> >I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the exact
>> >opposite. :'-(
>> Now why do I get the distinct feeling that Miros is not taking Krissie-kat
>> seriously at all? ;-P
>But I am :))
>What's wrong with some humour? Do you really want to have a very serious
>conversation?
What do you think, dear? <G>
>Ah, and put that tongue back in.
} :- p
Or did you want it all the way in? <LOL>
>> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually* aggressive.
>> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the wrong way.
>> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
>That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks lied to me? :-o
I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to those Amerikanaki-s and
you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
>> Secondly, lying down on
>> one's back on the first date and *letting* the man do it (like a certain
friend
>> of mine used to do, even though she hated sex) does not constitute seductive
>> behavior, at least not in my book. Now, if you find that sexually
stimulating,
>> then you must be either a masochist or a necrophiliac ;-)
>I don't find that sexually stimulating but if it is not seductive behaviour
>then will you please tell me what that is?
You are confusing seduction with PASSIVE submission, Miros. When a female
simply lets the man do it when she doesn't even want it or enjoy it, that can
by no means be considered seduction, since she is only passively *responding*
to the man's advance.
Seduction implies ACTIVE *initiatives* on the part of the woman (or man, as the
case may be), and a woman who doesn't like sex is certainly not going to be the
one to initiate activity.
Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive behavior, you'll
just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so that she can
demonstrate in person ;-)
>> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
>> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again, Miros?...LOLOL
>T_T = major tears
Aaaaw, crocodile tears! <LOLOL>
>What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
I was just teasing you, Miros. <G>
>> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
>> >San Francisco.
>> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead ;-)
>Are they desperate there also?
No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering to help a
poor kitty in distress. <G>
>> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
>> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men. Hmmm...is that the
>> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
>What do you have in mind honey?
Oh, my...this IS getting interesting! <G>
>> >> This means that
>> >> those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given society's
current
>> >> standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a male's
>> >> attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so on. For
those
>> >> of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men (i.e., who
are not
>> >> afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no need for
such
>> >> things if one does not measure up to the social model because they use
>their
>> >> other assets to gain a male's attention.
>> >As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
>> Are you having pleasant fancies, Miros? As the old saying goes, there's
>more
>> than one way to skin a cat ;-) And there are *many* ways to seduce a tom
>>;-)))
>Tell us about them :))
I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much better at
demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
>> >Do it for England my daughter?
>> You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they ever bloody
think
>> about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village, I would watch
the
>> men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women would evidence
>no
>> response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack about British
males!
>> It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become extinct by now!
>I think that is a British expression rather than a Greek one.
??????
>> >Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
>> Given how much the majority of women (at least in GB and the US) dislike sex
>> and how few actually have orgasms (based on studies and on info that *many*
>of
>> my female friends have told me), that would hardly be a realistic
assumption.
>> As for the ones who do enjoy it, they are rarely promiscuous, so again that
>> concept would not apply. The only exception might be "working girls" who
>could
>> very well view men in that fashion or even worse.
>So you mean that the women who sleep with a man and do not enjoy it at all do
>not consider them as meat? But as what? Stallions?
No, unfortunately, more as marriage prospects, meal tickets, or simply as doing
their wifely duty. Or, even worse, some regard them simply as animals and not
in the complimentary sense of the term.
>> >Hmmm. Should I say it?
>> >So how about those (shhhh) enlargers?
>> You mean what some guys do? Does it really work, or have you tried it yet?
>;-)
>> Just what are they anyway? The only thing I can picture is some device that
>> resembles an old fashioned tire pump ...LOLOL
>I haven't tried or seen any. But what you described is what I think it might
be.
>I think that the men that use them are either really desperate or think that
it
>will give them the confidence they lack. As a final though it can also be with
>all those porno movies they watch.
>In any case I've never met anyone that used that to know if it helped him or
>not and i have serious reasons to doubt. The men that think in that way are
>stupid as far as I
>am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the last thing that
>will attract a woman.
That is certainly right. In fact, if a man is too large it can be a distinct
disadvantage. Like I said before: it's not what you've got, but what you do
with it that counts. And the same thing goes for females.
>> >You don't know what you missing.
>> Miros, dear, I am a girl, so I am not missing anything. Unless, that is,
you're
>> referring to all those so-called hunks that appear on the show. However, I'm
>> afraid they don't do much for this kitty. I get more of a turnon from
watching
>> Count Dracula than something like that. Believe it or not, I find someone
like
>> the actor Harvey Keitel ("Smoke") or Jack Palance ("Diary of a Hit Man") far
more sexy than those sterile Hollywood
>androids. They
>> may not be handsome but they are very sexy.
>You've misunderstood my point.
?????
>> >It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
>> You mean, Viagra, dear, don't you? ;-)))
>No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films have the
exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used to
sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly after midnight.
They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no plot, very little
real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination <YAWN>
>> >One episode the day just before you go to bed and you sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
>> >like a
>> >baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
>> So, that's what you guys do when you watch Baywatch! Have you had your eyes
>> checked lately, dear? You may need a new prescription <LOL>
>Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I say that I
>dream of those
>faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
Not with dreams, dear...with what you do before or after the dreams ;-) Didn't
your mommy tell you what happens to little boys who do naughty things? <LOL>
>> >Just don't push it.
>> Now what is that threat all about? <G> Anyway, do you really expect us to
>> believe you now after what you've just said about Baywatch? ;-)
>It's not my fault if you misunderstood me completely.
So explain. Krissie-kat apparently needs a little more education about the
birds and bees...and about Cretan men ;-)
>You do believe me anyway so why are you denying it now? :)
Because you just contradicted yourself by demonstrating that you are like your
Amerikanaki counterparts <G>
>> >Well you know her better.
>> Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two against one here ;-)
>Are you proposing something dear? :)))
Are you indulging in more of those fantasies, darling? ;-)
>> >No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither do most women.
>> >LOLOLOLOLOL
>> I said e-mail, not IM, Miros...LOLOL
>> But you're right about the pace at least ;-)
>I am right about many things. But anyway.
So is Krissie-kat <G>
OpaTennant
>OpaTennant wrote:
>>
>> Greek coffee with lot's of sugar mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
>> <38A2050F...@stsnet.gr>
First of all, Miros, sorry to be so late in responding to this but it somehow
got overlooked or else turned up in my newsreader late.
>> >If your child thinks he wants 'Murderous Bob, the Doll with
>> >the Face you can Rip Right Off,' you'd better get it. You may
>> >be worried that it might help to encourage your child's
>> >antisocial tendencies, but believe me, you have not seen anti-
>> >social tendencies until you've seen a child who is convinced
>> >that he or she did not get the right gift.
>> >- Dave Barry
>>
>> Am I missing a message here or something? What a horrible quote, Miros! Why
>did
>> you put this in here! Is there really supposed to be such a thing? I know
that
>> there is a toy guilliontine and that there are many computer games in which
>> kids can torture, rape, mutliate and murder their victims, but this takes
the
>> cake! I am sure that you must have meant to be funny, but as a social
>> scientist, I can only respond in a spirit of abject disappointment and
horror..
>>
>> I realize that Western humor has become very sickie over the past decade or
so,
>> but this is an all-time low.
>Dear Krissie. I do not know if you have children to understand how true the
>above is.
>You are commenting on the first part of the quote even though that I am sure
>you know the
>point is at the end. If you want to discuss more about it then tell me. For
>sure it has nothing to do with that horrible game though. It is used as a
>comparison.
Comparison of what in this case? I would understand the point in some other
context but in this case it escapes me.
I don't mean to seem so thinskinned about this issue, but I take a very dim
view of much of what passes for humor and fun today in Western society, partly
because I am a social scientist and am thus responding on a much more complex
level and am horrified by the social implications, but also on the personal
level as well.
When I first returned from Egypt in the mid-1980s, I was faced here with a
barrage of Ethiopian jokes. At that time, there was severe famine in Ethiopia
and people were dying like flies. I did not and still cannot understand how
anyone was able to make a joke of something like that, let alone for such jokes
to become the mainstay of American society.
Then a couple of years ago, the Washington Post ran a cover story in its Sunday
supplement "The Washingtonian". It was an article about a "typical" American
teenager named Aaron. Let me tell you, that kid was straight out of Clockwork
Orange, and the sad part is that neither the kid's parents NOR most of the
social scientists interviewed seemed to think that there was anything wrong
with the kid, their response being that that is just the way kids are today!
Geeeesh.....
IMO the Vietnam war was the focal turning point in American society and it has
been downhill all the way ever since then, both on the political level and on
the level of the masses as well. American has entered the age of social entropy
or what Durkheim termed "anomie". It could easily become a repeat of the
Germany of the 1930s and US foreign policy is certainly showing signs of moving
in that direction.
Krissie
Miros Pimenakis
OpaTennant wrote:
>
> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message <38A6BB45...@stsnet.gr>
>
> >OpaTennant wrote:
>
> >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>
> >> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
>
> >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
>
> >Did you ask me? :))
>
> No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly, you can always
> e-mail them <LOL>
I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me :)))
> >> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
> >> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
>
> >> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite of
> >> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
>
> >With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that post of mine.
>
> What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are* you, anyway?
> Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
I am referring to the post I was saying to Aggie that he was horrible and totally
incorrect about your weight. Did you miss that honey ?
I disagree with you. I was watching a film about some super models and most of
them were commenting to those drug and alcohol problems. They might prevent a model
to become a super model maybe but those problems exist.
> As for doing themselves in, when they do that it is because they are cast out
> into the street as "old" women at a very early age, like 30 *maximum*. And most
> of them have no other assets to offer on the job market, so it means they have
> to either hook a husband or well-off lover quickly or else they will end up
> simply having to hook period. That's when they turn to alcohol and drugs, and
> some do end up doing themselves in.
None of the super models are so keen to find a rich husband dear. They earn so much
they do not need more to live a more than comfortable enough life without even have
to work again in their lives. They have their own brokers to invest their money etc.
>
> >> >> The same girl I referred to above talked me into going to
> >> >> her agency to try to sell my legs, as she felt they were marketable for
> >> >> advertising purposes, and she also told me that it would give me an
> inside
> >> view
> >> >> of how their business works. (Yep, they even *package* parts of bodies
> only,
> >> >> like hands, legs, etc. for commercials.)
>
> >> >Sure they do. You might not believe it but the most famous legs in South
> >> >Africa for advertisements about women's stockings are of a man :-)) I will
> >> >find his name and tell you :)
>
> >> Are you serious? I hadn't heard about that.
>
> >Oh yes. He is famous in South Africa. I will tell you his name as soon as I
> >ask one
> >of my South African friends.
>
> >> >Hmmm. Hey not so fast we haven't finished yet LOLOL
>
> >> Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
>
> >What is wrong with hope?
>
> Nothing at all, Miros. It often gets us what we want :-)
Exactly. So have hope :))
>
> >> >That's my girl. :)
> >> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
>
> >> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform in circusses.
> >> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
>
> >Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
>
> What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
Thanks dear :))
> >> >Didn't you do anything to him?
>
> >> The only thing I felt like doing was kicking him in the watoozie! After all,
> I
> >> was offering my legs for sale, not my whole bod! Why should I have had to
> strip
> >> down completely? Anyway, the guy was a total turnoff...absolutely not human.
> >> And he made me feel *exactly* like a piece of meat the way he was inspecting
> >> me. They even frisk you before they ask you to disrobe! I felt like I was
> under
> >> arrest or something.
>
> >So why didn't you return the same feeling back at him? I am sure it is very
> easy to do it and you know how. :)))
>
> LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now, why didn't *I* think
> of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how? Hmmm.... Krissie-kat is
> starting to get paranoid again.
I think I will explain to you what I had in mind in private. It's a trick that
will make him run away :))
> Now, could Miros possibly be that sensational
> guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those wonderful nights
> we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
No comment.
>
> >> >Just left?
>
> >> Yep...I snatched my portfolio off his desk and stormed out of the room. And
> he
> >> just laughed and told me that if I changed my mind, to call and set up
> >another
> >> appointment, that they could definitely use my legs... But, then, he added
> that
> >> I still had to go through the complete physical. Those guys must be real
> duds
> >> in bed. Sleeping with one of them would be like sleeping with a
> gynecologist!
>
> >Come again? Is that "gynaecologist" American humour?
>
> OH! OH! Is Krissie-kat talking to a gynaecologist? <G> If she is, then she
> extends her apologies. It just seems to me that sex must be a terribly boring
> pursuit for gynaecologists after having the same subject matter staring them
> in the face all day every day.<G> Hmmm... I wonder what they do to liven up
> their sex life ;-)
>
> On the other hand though, maybe that is why some men become gynaecologists:
> they just can't get enough of a good thing! <G>
I am not a gynaecologist dear and I don't think you look at the "good" things
if one. Most probably the gynaecologists have more often "headaches" than their wives do :)
LOLOLOL
> >> >Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
> >> >I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the exact
> >> >opposite. :'-(
>
> >> Now why do I get the distinct feeling that Miros is not taking Krissie-kat
> >> seriously at all? ;-P
>
> >But I am :))
> >What's wrong with some humour? Do you really want to have a very serious
> >conversation?
>
> What do you think, dear? <G>
Naaaaa :))))
>
> >Ah, and put that tongue back in.
>
> } :- p
>
> Or did you want it all the way in? <LOL>
I would prefer it for some more interesting "entertainment" LOLOLOL
>
> >> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually* aggressive.
> >> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the wrong way.
> >> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
>
> >That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks lied to me? :-o
>
> I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to those Amerikanaki-s and
> you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
They were not Americanakis. They were Greeks who went for a week in US and they ended having trouble to go out because of all these "shy" women trying to keep them there.
:)
> >> Secondly, lying down on
> >> one's back on the first date and *letting* the man do it (like a certain
> friend
> >> of mine used to do, even though she hated sex) does not constitute seductive
> >> behavior, at least not in my book. Now, if you find that sexually
> stimulating,
> >> then you must be either a masochist or a necrophiliac ;-)
>
> >I don't find that sexually stimulating but if it is not seductive behaviour
> >then will you please tell me what that is?
>
> You are confusing seduction with PASSIVE submission, Miros. When a female
> simply lets the man do it when she doesn't even want it or enjoy it, that can
> by no means be considered seduction, since she is only passively *responding*
> to the man's advance.
>
> Seduction implies ACTIVE *initiatives* on the part of the woman (or man, as the
> case may be), and a woman who doesn't like sex is certainly not going to be the
> one to initiate activity.
>
> Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive behavior, you'll
> just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so that she can
> demonstrate in person ;-)
Does Krissie-kat know tricks the other cats did not show to Miros so far? (G)
Well then I am anxious to see that demonstration. LOL
> >> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
>
> >> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again, Miros?...LOLOL
>
> >T_T = major tears
>
> Aaaaw, crocodile tears! <LOLOL>
Beg you pardon? :((((
> >What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
>
> I was just teasing you, Miros. <G>
Are you sure you are a lioness?
>
> >> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
> >> >San Francisco.
>
> >> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead ;-)
>
> >Are they desperate there also?
>
> No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering to help a
> poor kitty in distress. <G>
What Aggie has to do with all this?
LOLOLOL
>
> >> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
>
> >> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men. Hmmm...is that the
> >> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
>
> >What do you have in mind honey?
>
> Oh, my...this IS getting interesting! <G>
The way this conversation is going about I think we should take it to alt.talkabout.sex :))
LOL
>
> >> >> This means that
> >> >> those who are physically "unattractive" (according to a given society's
> current
> >> >> standards) will lose out if they don't do something to attract a male's
> >> >> attention. Hence, anorexia, breast implants, facelifts, and so on. For
> those
> >> >> of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men (i.e., who
> are not
> >> >> afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is no need for
> such
> >> >> things if one does not measure up to the social model because they use
> >their
> >> >> other assets to gain a male's attention.
>
> >> >As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
>
> >> Are you having pleasant fancies, Miros? As the old saying goes, there's
> >more
> >> than one way to skin a cat ;-) And there are *many* ways to seduce a tom
> >>;-)))
>
> >Tell us about them :))
>
> I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much better at
> demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
Ok then I will wait. Meanwhile I will go and have a look at the other demonstrations near me if you don't mind. LOL
>
> >> >Do it for England my daughter?
>
> >> You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they ever bloody
> think
> >> about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village, I would watch
> the
> >> men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women would evidence
> >no
> >> response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack about British
> males!
> >> It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become extinct by now!
>
> >I think that is a British expression rather than a Greek one.
>
> ??????
What now? Do you really believe that the British are so bad lovers?
That is discrimination. Anyway that expression was used by the English and never the Greeks.
> >> >Are you sure they don't treat them also as just meat?
>
> >> Given how much the majority of women (at least in GB and the US) dislike sex
> >> and how few actually have orgasms (based on studies and on info that *many*
> >of
> >> my female friends have told me), that would hardly be a realistic
> assumption.
> >> As for the ones who do enjoy it, they are rarely promiscuous, so again that
> >> concept would not apply. The only exception might be "working girls" who
> >could
> >> very well view men in that fashion or even worse.
>
> >So you mean that the women who sleep with a man and do not enjoy it at all do
> >not consider them as meat? But as what? Stallions?
>
> No, unfortunately, more as marriage prospects, meal tickets, or simply as doing
> their wifely duty. Or, even worse, some regard them simply as animals and not
> in the complimentary sense of the term.
Gee. Perhaps this is why some men say they will never understand how your minds work? :)
> >> >Hmmm. Should I say it?
> >> >So how about those (shhhh) enlargers?
>
> >> You mean what some guys do? Does it really work, or have you tried it yet?
> >;-)
> >> Just what are they anyway? The only thing I can picture is some device that
> >> resembles an old fashioned tire pump ...LOLOL
>
> >I haven't tried or seen any. But what you described is what I think it might
> be.
> >I think that the men that use them are either really desperate or think that
> it
> >will give them the confidence they lack. As a final though it can also be with
> >all those porno movies they watch.
> >In any case I've never met anyone that used that to know if it helped him or
> >not and i have serious reasons to doubt. The men that think in that way are
> >stupid as far as I
> >am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the last thing that
> >will attract a woman.
>
> That is certainly right. In fact, if a man is too large it can be a distinct
> disadvantage. Like I said before: it's not what you've got, but what you do
> with it that counts. And the same thing goes for females.
Oh yes :))) Are you referring to the "balconies" again?
LOLOL
> >> >You don't know what you missing.
>
> >> Miros, dear, I am a girl, so I am not missing anything. Unless, that is,
> you're
> >> referring to all those so-called hunks that appear on the show. However, I'm
> >> afraid they don't do much for this kitty. I get more of a turnon from
> watching
> >> Count Dracula than something like that. Believe it or not, I find someone
> like
> >> the actor Harvey Keitel ("Smoke") or Jack Palance ("Diary of a Hit Man") far
> more sexy than those sterile Hollywood
> >androids. They
> >> may not be handsome but they are very sexy.
>
> >You've misunderstood my point.
>
> ?????
My point was that films like that are good for a nice sleep.
>
> >> >It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
>
> >> You mean, Viagra, dear, don't you? ;-)))
>
> >No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
>
> Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films have the
> exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used to
> sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly after midnight.
> They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no plot, very little
> real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination <YAWN>
for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I understand though why women hate porno films while they have no problem with erotic ones.
>
> >> >One episode the day just before you go to bed and you sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
> >> >like a
> >> >baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
>
> >> So, that's what you guys do when you watch Baywatch! Have you had your eyes
> >> checked lately, dear? You may need a new prescription <LOL>
>
> >Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I say that I
> >dream of those
> >faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
>
> Not with dreams, dear...with what you do before or after the dreams ;-) Didn't
> your mommy tell you what happens to little boys who do naughty things? <LOL>
Nonsense. I am eating lot's of carrots anyway. Not to mention that this kitty has
company near it anyway. LOL
>
> >> >Just don't push it.
>
> >> Now what is that threat all about? <G> Anyway, do you really expect us to
> >> believe you now after what you've just said about Baywatch? ;-)
>
> >It's not my fault if you misunderstood me completely.
>
> So explain. Krissie-kat apparently needs a little more education about the
> birds and bees...and about Cretan men ;-)
I am supporting women up to the point they start getting extreme. Then....
>
> >You do believe me anyway so why are you denying it now? :)
>
> Because you just contradicted yourself by demonstrating that you are like your
> Amerikanaki counterparts <G>
I am not and you should not try to generalize so fast. Just because we slept once together it does not mean that you know me. LOLOL
>
> >> >Well you know her better.
>
> >> Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two against one here ;-)
>
> >Are you proposing something dear? :)))
>
> Are you indulging in more of those fantasies, darling? ;-)
I have some in mind, yes :)))
>
> >> >No. I do not enjoy it that fast and as far as I know neither do most women.
> >> >LOLOLOLOLOL
>
> >> I said e-mail, not IM, Miros...LOLOL
> >> But you're right about the pace at least ;-)
>
> >I am right about many things. But anyway.
>
> So is Krissie-kat <G>
I am sure she is. :)
MSP
Aggie-Tom
OpaTennant wrote in message
<20000214033521...@ng-cv1.aol.com>...
>
>>> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
>>> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
>
>>> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite
of
>>> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
>
>>With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that post of
mine.
>
>What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are* you, anyway?
>Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
Why are women so obsessed with mens size. ?
>>> ><Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
>
>>> You mean, like send him on a dream trip to Hawaii?...LOLOL
>
>>Yes and prepay one of those queens to give some "special" treatment to
Aggie
>>:)))
What makes you think I'm Hugh Grant.
>
>LOLOL.... Poor Aggie-tom. He would end up as a "bareskin" rug by the
>bed...oops! I meant bearskin rug <G>.
Growwwwllll.......
>>have a glass of champagne in their hands. How many of those models are
drug
>>addicts or
>>become alcoholics? How many had killed themselves because of that?
>
>You are not being realistic, Miros. Models cannot be alcoholics or drug
>addicts. They can be other things, but not that, especially the super
models,
According to the insider documentary I watched they WERE, and the modelling
agencies were even providing them with the drugs themselves.
>
>>So why didn't you return the same feeling back at him? I am sure it is
very
>easy to do it and you know how. :)))
>
>LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now, why didn't *I*
think
>of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how? Hmmm.... Krissie-kat
is
>starting to get paranoid again. Now, could Miros possibly be that
sensational
>guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those wonderful
nights
>we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
HIIIISSSSSSS.....
Was Krissie-kat unfaitfull to Aggie-tom when she was away.
You just can't trust women any more.
>Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive behavior,
you'll
>just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so that she can
>demonstrate in person ;-)
There that proves it !!!!!
>>> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead
;-)
>
>>Are they desperate there also?
>
>No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering to help a
>poor kitty in distress. <G>
And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.............
>
>I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much better at
>demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
Come again Krissie.....
>>am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the last thing
that
>>will attract a woman.
>
>That is certainly right. In fact, if a man is too large it can be a
distinct
>disadvantage. Like I said before: it's not what you've got, but what you do
>with it that counts. And the same thing goes for females.
So have you got a long tongue Krissie ?
>>No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
>
>Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films have the
>exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used to
>sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly after
midnight.
>They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no plot, very
little
>real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination <YAWN>
You defiantly wern't watching a REAL adult channel. Playboy TV does not cum
close.
Try watching TV1000 or Eurotica, and concentrate on the amateurs. Adult
entertainment is not about plot but about getting down to the nitty gritty.
>>Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I say that I
>>dream of those
>>faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
>
>Not with dreams, dear...with what you do before or after the dreams ;-)
Didn't
>your mommy tell you what happens to little boys who do naughty things?
<LOL>
They grow up to be men.....
Miros Pimenakis
OpaTennant wrote:
>
> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
The point dear Krissie is that children today are becoming so spoiled that if you deny them something they want or give them the "wrong" present they are acting like little
Hitlers. But with all those advertisements on TV what do you expect? Have you noticed how early they start advertising their toys or whatever before Christmas and Easter? I
know very few people here that can say "No" or if they do they won't pay it dearly.
MSP
Kritifile
"Aggie-Tom" <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message
> >>> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
> >
> >>> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat,
in spite
> of
> >>> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
> >
> >>With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that
post of
> mine.
> >
> >What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are*
you, anyway?
> >Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
>
>
Aggie, you have it wrong again. Women know that men are obsessed
with size.
> >>> ><Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
> >
> >>> You mean, like send him on a dream trip to Hawaii?...LOLOL
> >
> >>Yes and prepay one of those queens to give some "special"
treatment to
> Aggie
> >>:)))
>
> What makes you think I'm Hugh Grant.
>
Don't you want to be, Aggie?
> >
> >LOLOL.... Poor Aggie-tom. He would end up as a "bareskin" rug by
the
> >bed...oops! I meant bearskin rug <G>.
>
> Growwwwllll.......
>
Has Aggie-tom turned into a bear?
>
> >>have a glass of champagne in their hands. How many of those
models are
> drug
> >>addicts or
> >>become alcoholics? How many had killed themselves because of
that?
> >
> >You are not being realistic, Miros. Models cannot be alcoholics
or drug
> >addicts. They can be other things, but not that, especially the
super
> models,
>
>
> According to the insider documentary I watched they WERE, and the
modelling
> agencies were even providing them with the drugs themselves.
>
Ever heard of the model "look" called heroin chic?
>
> >
> >>So why didn't you return the same feeling back at him? I am sure
it is
> very
> >easy to do it and you know how. :)))
> >
> >LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now, why
didn't *I*
> think
> >of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how? Hmmm....
Krissie-kat
> is
> >starting to get paranoid again. Now, could Miros possibly be that
> sensational
> >guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those
wonderful
> nights
> >we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
>
Lucky Krissie.
> HIIIISSSSSSS.....
>
> Was Krissie-kat unfaitfull to Aggie-tom when she was away.
>
How can she do that to an alley cat?
> You just can't trust women any more.
>
Maybe they are catching up with men?
> >Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive
behavior,
> you'll
> >just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so that
she can
> >demonstrate in person ;-)
>
> There that proves it !!!!!
>
And Miros is neglecting me. :((((( I could demonstrate a lot more
than Krissie, I'm just not as good at writing things. And she has
more time for writing than I have, especially when I have to go
through a newsgroup to find something I want to answer.
> >>> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington
instead
> ;-)
> >
> >>Are they desperate there also?
> >
> >No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering
to help a
> >poor kitty in distress. <G>
>
> And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.............
>
You do give a certain impression, Aggie. Poor little cat.
> >
> >I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much
better at
> >demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
>
> Come again Krissie.....
>
I'll leave Krissie to answer that, but I know what she means.
> >>am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the
last thing
> that
> >>will attract a woman.
> >
> >That is certainly right. In fact, if a man is too large it can be
a
> distinct
> >disadvantage. Like I said before: it's not what you've got, but
what you do
> >with it that counts. And the same thing goes for females.
>
> So have you got a long tongue Krissie ?
>
> >>No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
> >
> >Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno
films have the
> >exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I
used to
> >sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly
after
> midnight.
> >They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no
plot, very
> little
> >real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination
<YAWN>
>
> You defiantly wern't watching a REAL adult channel. Playboy TV
does not cum
> close.
>
> Try watching TV1000 or Eurotica, and concentrate on the amateurs.
Adult
> entertainment is not about plot but about getting down to the
nitty gritty.
>
That's what makes it boring. All action and no story. AND it's all
for men. Not fair!
> >>Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I
say that I
> >>dream of those
> >>faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
> >
> >Not with dreams, dear...with what you do before or after the
dreams ;-)
> Didn't
> >your mommy tell you what happens to little boys who do naughty
things?
> <LOL>
>
> They grow up to be men.....
>
Thank heaven for little boys.....
Kritifile
>
>
> OpaTennant wrote:
> >
> > Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
<38A6BB45...@stsnet.gr>
> >
> > >OpaTennant wrote:
> >
> > >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
> >
I'm sticking my nose in here. I'm being neglected. :((((((
> > >> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
> >
> > >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
> >
> > >Did you ask me? :))
> >
> > No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly,
you can always
> > e-mail them <LOL>
>
> I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me :)))
>
Aww....I'd like to know as well. Even swap? ;-)
> > >> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
> > >> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
> >
> > >> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat,
in spite of
> > >> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
> >
> > >With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that
post of mine.
> >
> > What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are*
you, anyway?
> > Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
>
> I am referring to the post I was saying to Aggie that he was
horrible and totally
> incorrect about your weight. Did you miss that honey ?
>
Honey! Krissie is honey now, is she? Do you want to make me all
upset, Miros?
You are right Miros. Not only is it rife with ordinary models,
supermodels do it as well. It helps keep their weight down.
> > As for doing themselves in, when they do that it is because they
are cast out
> > into the street as "old" women at a very early age, like 30
*maximum*. And most
> > of them have no other assets to offer on the job market, so it
means they have
> > to either hook a husband or well-off lover quickly or else they
will end up
> > simply having to hook period. That's when they turn to alcohol
and drugs, and
> > some do end up doing themselves in.
>
> None of the super models are so keen to find a rich husband dear.
They earn so much
> they do not need more to live a more than comfortable enough life
without even have
> to work again in their lives. They have their own brokers to
invest their money etc.
>
But the ordinary ones are probably interested in that. They aren't
millionaires so they want to provide for their future. A models'
career isn't that long.
I've been hoping too. Not that it gets me anywhere. Krissie gets all
the guys flocking round her, I don't. I hope for some things, a lot
of them. };-)
> >
> > >> >That's my girl. :)
> > >> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
> >
> > >> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform
in circusses.
> > >> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
> >
> > >Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
> >
> > What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
>
> Thanks dear :))
>
He's cocky all right.
That one I think I know. Or maybe it's a different trick? <G>
Or maybe they are just obsessed and that's why they specialize in
gynaecology. The things I've heard about some of them would make
your hair stand on end (if you are a woman).
Miros, Americans may think that, but other nationalities don't. It
seems that American women looove foreign guys.
> > I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to those
Amerikanaki-s and
> > you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
>
> They were not Americanakis. They were Greeks who went for a week
in US and they ended having trouble to go out because of all these
"shy" women trying to keep them there.
> :)
>
I think you're right, Miros. It must be hard for an American to
judge American reactions. The tales I've heard about American women
falling all over non-American guys. You wouldn't believe it (or
maybe you would). Could this be Krissie trying to keep you away from
all those nasty American women? American men have problems, they
are not as popular as non-Americans. I've been told that American
women think their men are wimps, so any man with a foreign accent,
they are fascinated with.
We both do. };-P
> > >> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
> >
> > >> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again,
Miros?...LOLOL
> >
> > >T_T = major tears
> >
> > Aaaaw, crocodile tears! <LOLOL>
>
> Beg you pardon? :((((
>
She means they are fake tears.
> > >What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
> >
> > I was just teasing you, Miros. <G>
>
> Are you sure you are a lioness?
>
> >
> > >> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the
right city.
> > >> >San Francisco.
> >
> > >> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington
instead ;-)
> >
> > >Are they desperate there also?
> >
> > No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just
offering to help a
> > poor kitty in distress. <G>
>
Krissie is inviting you into her den.
> What Aggie has to do with all this?
>
Nothing. He's the one who wants endless amounts of females, all only
interested in him.<G>
> LOLOLOL
>
> >
> > >> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
> >
> > >> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men.
Hmmm...is that the
> > >> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
> >
> > >What do you have in mind honey?
> >
> > Oh, my...this IS getting interesting! <G>
>
> The way this conversation is going about I think we should take it
to alt.talkabout.sex :))
> LOL
>
Is there a group called that????
I won't be near you quite yet....
> >
> > >> >Do it for England my daughter?
> >
> > >> You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they
ever bloody
> > think
> > >> about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village,
I would watch
> > the
> > >> men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women
would evidence
> > >no
> > >> response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack
about British
> > males!
> > >> It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become
extinct by now!
> >
> > >I think that is a British expression rather than a Greek one.
> >
> > ??????
>
> What now? Do you really believe that the British are so bad
lovers?
> That is discrimination. Anyway that expression was used by the
English and never the Greeks.
>
Maybe not as bad as Americans. There must be the odd good British
lover somewhere. But they are selfish.
Some women don't understand that concept of men. This one certainly
doesn't!
Exactly. They are unimaginative and boring. How can anyone enjoy
watching the same mechanical actions in various permutations, over
and over. If you've seen one, you've seen them all. <big yawn> But a
little bit of one as an appetizer maybe?
> for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I understand
though why women hate porno films while they have no problem with
erotic ones.
>
Too true. They are made for men as well. So most women can't
identify with them.
Now that might suit everyone concerned. :))))))))
OpaTennant
>OpaTennant wrote:
>> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>> >OpaTennant wrote:
>> >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>> >> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
>>
>> >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
>>
>> >Did you ask me? :))
>>
>> No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly, you can
always
>> e-mail them <LOL>
>I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me :)))
Will *all* will be revealed then? ;-)
>> >> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
>> >> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
>>
>> >> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite of
>> >> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
>>
>> >With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that post of
mine.
>> What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are* you, anyway?
>> Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
>I am referring to the post I was saying to Aggie that he was horrible and
totally
>incorrect about your weight. Did you miss that honey ?
I must have. Anyway, now I understand. It was Aggie's comment that you
disagreed with, not with my statement :-)))
>> >> ><Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
>>
>> >> You mean, like send him on a dream trip to Hawaii?...LOLOL
>>
>> >Yes and prepay one of those queens to give some "special" treatment to
Aggie
>> >:)))
>>
>> LOLOL.... Poor Aggie-tom. He would end up as a "bareskin" rug by the
>> bed...oops! I meant bearskin rug <G>.
[....]
Since I didn't see that program, I can't really comment on it. All I know is
what my girlfriend in London told me and also what I was told by the agency
concerning the type of lifestyle required of the girls in their stable. They
told me that drugs and alcohol were definitely out and a strict physical and
dietary regime had to be followed. As for one's private (i.e., sex) life, they
said they didn't care what went on there, either on or off the job.
Having said that, my modeling friend did take tranquilizers as she was always a
nervous wreck because of her work. We used to have long talks in the evening
and she would sometimes burst into tears and tell me that she wished she could
trade lives with me, that she hated her work and the extreme insecurity and
anxiety associated with it.
>> As for doing themselves in, when they do that it is because they are cast
out
>> into the street as "old" women at a very early age, like 30 *maximum*. And
most
>> of them have no other assets to offer on the job market, so it means they
have
>> to either hook a husband or well-off lover quickly or else they will end up
>> simply having to hook period. That's when they turn to alcohol and drugs,
and
>> some do end up doing themselves in.
>None of the super models are so keen to find a rich husband dear. They earn so
much
>they do not need more to live a more than comfortable enough life without even
have
>to work again in their lives. They have their own brokers to invest their
>money etc.
Maybe the supermodels, the ones at the top earn that much money, but don't
forget that their worklife is shortlived, only about 5-10 years maximum,
depending on how young they are when they start out. Also, many of the models,
I understand, have personal "financial advisors" who bilk them of much of their
earnings. My friend in London made very good money because she was in the
stable of one of the world's top designers but somehow she never seemed to be
all that well off. Of course, she (like most of them) had considerable expenses
(like, children out of wedlock to support, a fancy apartment to maintain, etc.)
but she was retired by age 26, so whatever savings she had managed to acquire
had to last for quite some time.
The problem with most of those girls is that once they've worked in the meat
market they're not good for much else. I suggested that my friend go back to
school and get a university education (she was quite bright) but she just
laughed and told me that I was crazy, all that effort and for what, that she
would never get the kind of money that she made modeling. With an attitude like
that, one doesn't have to be a fortune teller to know the remaining options.
[....]
>> >> >That's my girl. :)
>> >> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
>>
>> >> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform in
>circusses.
>> >> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
>>
>> >Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
>> What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
>Thanks dear :))
I see you took that as a compliment ;-)
>> >> >Didn't you do anything to him?
>>
>> >> The only thing I felt like doing was kicking him in the watoozie! After
all, I
>> >> was offering my legs for sale, not my whole bod! Why should I have had to
>> strip
>> >> down completely? Anyway, the guy was a total turnoff...absolutely not
human.
>> >> And he made me feel *exactly* like a piece of meat the way he was
inspecting
>> >> me. They even frisk you before they ask you to disrobe! I felt like I was
under
>> >> arrest or something.
>>
>> >So why didn't you return the same feeling back at him? I am sure it is very
>> easy to do it and you know how. :)))
>> LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now, why didn't *I*
think
>> of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how? Hmmm.... Krissie-kat
is
>> starting to get paranoid again.
>I think I will explain to you what I had in mind in private. It's a trick that
>will make him run away :))
Then you must definitely tell me. It could come in handy sometime. Not that I
intend to go for any more modeling interviews but I could certainly have used
something like that when I was in Turkey. Let me tell you, I had to literally
wrestle my way out of more than one situation in Turkey, as those Turks can be
really aggressive when it comes to pursuing a woman they are interested in.
>> Now, could Miros possibly be that sensational
>> guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those wonderful
nights
>> we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
>No comment.
HEY! You weren't supposed to say THAT!!! ....LOLOL You were supposed to tell
me that I must have you confused with someone else. You're forgetting your
lines, Miros, dear ;-)
[....]
>> >> But, then, he added that
>> >> I still had to go through the complete physical. Those guys must be real
duds
>> >> in bed. Sleeping with one of them would be like sleeping with a
>> gynecologist!
>> >Come again? Is that "gynaecologist" American humour?
>> OH! OH! Is Krissie-kat talking to a gynaecologist? <G> If she is, then she
>> extends her apologies. It just seems to me that sex must be a terribly
boring
>> pursuit for gynaecologists after having the same subject matter staring
them
>> in the face all day every day.<G> Hmmm... I wonder what they do to liven up
>> their sex life ;-)
>>
>> On the other hand though, maybe that is why some men become gynaecologists:
>> they just can't get enough of a good thing! <G>
>I am not a gynaecologist dear and I don't think you look at the "good" things
>if one. Most probably the gynaecologists have more often "headaches" than
>their wives do :)
>LOLOLOL
Well, then, that just proves my point, doesn't it? ;-) And what's so good about
that anyway? Unless you're talking about the ones married to women who have
"headaches". Fortunately, Krissie-kat never gets headaches :-)))
>> >> >Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
>> >> >I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the exact
>> >> >opposite. :'-(
>>
>> >> Now why do I get the distinct feeling that Miros is not taking
>Krissie-kat
>> >> seriously at all? ;-P
>>
>> >But I am :))
>> >What's wrong with some humour? Do you really want to have a very serious
>> >conversation?
>> What do you think, dear? <G>
>Naaaaa :))))
} :-)))))
>> >Ah, and put that tongue back in.
>> } :- p
>>
>> Or did you want it all the way in? <LOL>
>I would prefer it for some more interesting "entertainment" LOLOLOL
Krissie-kat is definitely not going to ask what that might be....LOL
>> >> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually*
aggressive.
>> >> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the wrong way.
>> >> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
>>
>> >That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks lied to me?
>:-o
>> I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to those Amerikanaki-s
and
>> you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
>They were not Americanakis. They were Greeks who went for a week in US and
>they ended having trouble to go out because of all these "shy" women trying
>to keep them there. :)
Shy women? I'm afraid there are not too many of those in America. Shy doesn't
quite fit with aggressive. But aggressive doesn't necessarily mean seductive
either.
And just where did they go, Miros? To San Francisco? ;-) Are you sure those
were women they met?...LOL
Just how many other cats has Miros been with? Now, he wouldn't be a promiscuous
kitty, would he? Anyway, Krissie-kat believes in improvisation and adaptation,
depending upon the person, mood, and circumstances, so she could still probably
teach Miros a few new tricks ;-)
>> >> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
>>
>> >> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again, Miros?...LOLOL
>>
>> >T_T = major tears
>>
>> Aaaaw, crocodile tears! <LOLOL>
>
>Beg you pardon? :((((
You do know what that expression means, don't you? Do they have a similar
expression in Greek?
>> >What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
>> I was just teasing you, Miros. <G>
>Are you sure you are a lioness?
Why? Would you rather I be something else? ;-) I could always be a beautiful
bird of paradise, but then that big bad lion would just gobble me up <G>
>> >> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
>> >> >San Francisco.
>> >> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead
>;-)
>> >Are they desperate there also?
>> No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering to help a
>> poor kitty in distress. <G>
>What Aggie has to do with all this?
>LOLOLOL
Aggie? Who's Aggie? ;-)
>> >> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
>> >> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men. Hmmm...is that
the
>> >> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
>> >What do you have in mind honey?
>> Oh, my...this IS getting interesting!<G>
>The way this conversation is going about I think we should take it to
>alt.talkabout.sex :))
>LOL
Oh, we're not there yet? I thought that's what this group was....LOL So,
THAT's where you spend your time when you disappear from scg? As for
Krissie-kat, she's never visited one of "those" places, as one can never tell
what sort of strange people turn up there ;-) Maybe we ought to start our own
group...LOL
[....]
>> >> >> For those of us females who are not passive in our relationship to men
(i.e.,
>> >> >> who are not afraid to make their interests and needs known), there is
no need for such
>> >> >> things if one does not measure up to the social model because they use
>> >their
>> >> >> other assets to gain a male's attention.
>> >> >As? (hmmm)Oooo..:-)
>> >> Are you having pleasant fancies, Miros? As the old saying goes, there's
more
>> >> than one way to skin a cat ;-) And there are *many* ways to seduce a tom
>> >>;-)))
>> >Tell us about them :))
>> I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much better at
>> demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
>Ok then I will wait. Meanwhile I will go and have a look at the other
>demonstrations near me if you don't mind. LOL
HISSSSS!!!! In that case the lion will have a *very* long wait...LOL
>> >> >Do it for England my daughter?
>>
>> >> You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they ever bloody
>> think
>> >> about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village, I would
watch the
>> >> men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women would
evidence
>> >no
>> >> response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack about British
males!
>> >> It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become extinct by now!
>> >I think that is a British expression rather than a Greek one.
>> ??????
>What now? Do you really believe that the British are so bad lovers?
Yes, I do. I lived in England for two years and was not impressed with that
aspect of life there. But, then, as they say: "a chacun son gout"
>That is discrimination.
Not if it's based on observation and experience. The only British men I found
to be appealing that way were immigrants or men born into immigrant families.
Now, the Irish are a different lot. They are still influenced to some extent by
all that Christian "sex is sin" nonsense, but it doesn't seem to affect their
lusty instincts behaviorally. One only has to visit a REAL (not the pseudo ones
in England and the US) Irish pub to see the enormous difference in attitudes
and behavior. Even in the village where I once lived in England, the only
people in our local who really knew how to have a good time were the Irish,
including a wonderful elderly Irish lady in her 70s whom we called "Mum". She
could put away a pint just as readily as the boys and compete with them on an
even footing when it came to certain kinds of jokes and humor. What a
delightful contrast to the stiffness and propriety of the Brits.
> Anyway that expression was used by the English and
>never the Greeks.
What expression, Miros? You mean: "Do it for England, my daughter" ? Of course,
that is a British expression. I couldn't imagine the Greeks saying such a thing
as that. Their motto would probably be: "Just do it!" ....LOLOL
[....]
>> >So you mean that the women who sleep with a man and do not enjoy it at all
do
>> >not consider them as meat? But as what? Stallions?
>> No, unfortunately, more as marriage prospects, meal tickets, or simply as
>doing
>> their wifely duty. Or, even worse, some regard them simply as animals and
not
>> in the complimentary sense of the term.
>Gee. Perhaps this is why some men say they will never understand how your
>minds work? :)
Mind you, Miros, I am talking about women in the West (more specifically, in
the US and GB), NOT in the East. I found women in the Middle East to be
absolutely delightful, especially Egyptian women. They had very healthy sexual
identities, a wonderful sense of humor, and were very comfortable with men.
Now, *those* women really know how to be seductive. And, what is even better,
so do the men :-))))
Let's face it, Miros, despite what many may think to the contrary, the
relationship between the sexes in the West has deteriorated not improved over
the past couple of decades, what with all that women's lib and political
correctness. Why can't women comprehend that liberation does not mean that one
has to go around kicking men in the balls and accusing them of harrassment
every time a guy gives in to his natural instincts and indulges in a little
flirtatious behavior. The whole thing has gotten out of hand in the West and
has made an originally problematic situation even worse.
"balconies"? "again"? Miros! Surely, you are not referring to part of the
female anatomy! <LOL>
>> >> >You don't know what you missing.
>>
>> >> Miros, dear, I am a girl, so I am not missing anything. Unless, that is,
you're
>> >> referring to all those so-called hunks that appear on the show. However,
I'm
>> >> afraid they don't do much for this kitty. I get more of a turnon from
watching
>> >> Count Dracula than something like that. Believe it or not, I find someone
like
>> >> the actor Harvey Keitel ("Smoke") or Jack Palance ("Diary of a Hit Man")
far
>> more sexy than those sterile Hollywood
>> >androids. They
>> >> may not be handsome but they are very sexy.
>> >You've misunderstood my point.
>> ?????
>My point was that films like that are good for a nice sleep.
Well, if you mean by that boring, then I certainly did misunderstand you.
>> >> >It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
>>
>> >> You mean, Viagra, dear, don't you? ;-)))
>> >No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
>> Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films have the
>> exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used to
>> sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly after midnight.
>> They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no plot, very
little
>> real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination <YAWN>
>for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I understand though why
>women hate porno films while they have no problem with erotic ones.
Can you guys tell the difference, Miros? <G>
>> >> >One episode the day just before you go to bed and you sleeeeeeeeeeeeep
>> >> >like a
>> >> >baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
Now, see, there you go again! That was the reason for the misunderstanding <G>
>> >> So, that's what you guys do when you watch Baywatch! Have you had your
eyes
>> >> checked lately, dear? You may need a new prescription <LOL>
>> >Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I say that I
>> >dream of those
>> >faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
>> Not with dreams, dear...with what you do before or after the dreams ;-)
Didn't
>> your mommy tell you what happens to little boys who do naughty things? <LOL>
>Nonsense. I am eating lot's of carrots anyway. Not to mention that this kitty
has
>company near it anyway. LOL
Well, Miros had better not let the missus (or mistress, as the case may be) see
what he is writing or he won't have it for long...LOL
>> >> >Just don't push it.
>>
>> >> Now what is that threat all about? <G> Anyway, do you really expect us to
>> >> believe you now after what you've just said about Baywatch? ;-)
>>
>> >It's not my fault if you misunderstood me completely.
>>
>> So explain. Krissie-kat apparently needs a little more education about the
>> birds and bees...and about Cretan men ;-)
>I am supporting women up to the point they start getting extreme. Then....
Oh, and just what do you consider extreme, dear?
>> >You do believe me anyway so why are you denying it now? :)
>> Because you just contradicted yourself by demonstrating that you are like
your
>> Amerikanaki counterparts <G>
>I am not and you should not try to generalize so fast. Just because we slept
>once together it does not mean that you know me. LOLOL
WHAAAAAT!!!!! MIROS!!! What do you mean once?! Are you trying to wreck poor
Krissie-kat's reputation? ;-) And what will your poor wife say when she sees
this? ...LOLOL
>> >> >Well you know her better.
>>
>> >> Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two against one here
>;-)
>>
>> >Are you proposing something dear? :)))
>> Are you indulging in more of those fantasies, darling? ;-)
>I have some in mind, yes :)))
I thought you didn't like extremes, dear ;-) Make up your mind, Miros, darling
....LOLOL
OpaTennant
>OpaTennant wrote in message
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>>Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
><38A6BB45...@stsnet.gr>
>>>> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
>>>> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
>>
>>>> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite of
>>>> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
>>
>>>With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that post of mine.
>>
>>What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are* you, anyway?
>>Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
>Why are women so obsessed with mens size. ?
We're not, Aggie, but everyone has his or her limits <G> As for Krissie-kat,
she likes them not too big and not too small. Sort of like in the story
Goldilocks and the Three Bears...LOL
>>>> ><Miros is having an idea to get rid of that naughty cat>
>>
>>>> You mean, like send him on a dream trip to Hawaii?...LOLOL
>>
>>>Yes and prepay one of those queens to give some "special" treatment to
>Aggie
>>>:)))
>
>What makes you think I'm Hugh Grant.
>>
>>LOLOL.... Poor Aggie-tom. He would end up as a "bareskin" rug by the
>>bed...oops! I meant bearskin rug <G>.
>Growwwwllll.......
Oh, oh, did I just hear a bear growl? Or was that a big bad mad tom...LOL
>>>have a glass of champagne in their hands. How many of those models are
>drug
>>>addicts or
>>>become alcoholics? How many had killed themselves because of that?
>>
>>You are not being realistic, Miros. Models cannot be alcoholics or drug
>>addicts. They can be other things, but not that, especially the super models,
>According to the insider documentary I watched they WERE, and the modelling
>agencies were even providing them with the drugs themselves.
Things must have really changed since I was there then. Still, I can't see how
they could do that, unless it was a deliberate effort to keep the girls thin.
However, I should think that the drugs would take a toll on their physical
appearance; it usually does. But, then, they don't work for all that many years
anyway, so maybe by the time the drugs take their toll, the girl is out on the
street anyway.
>>>So why didn't you return the same feeling back at him? I am sure it is very
>>easy to do it and you know how. :)))
>>LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now, why didn't *I*
think
>>of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how? Hmmm.... Krissie-kat is
>>starting to get paranoid again. Now, could Miros possibly be that sensational
>>guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those wonderful
>nights
>>we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
>HIIIISSSSSSS.....
>
>Was Krissie-kat unfaitfull to Aggie-tom when she was away.
>
>You just can't trust women any more.
Finally! I thought Aggie-tom had lost all interest in Krissie-kat. Could it be
that Aggie-tom is just a wee bit jealous after all? :-))) The things that a
girl has to do to hold a male's attention!...LOLOL
>>Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive behavior, you'll
>>just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so that she can
>>demonstrate in person ;-)
>There that proves it !!!!!
Now, now, Aggie-tom. Did Krissie-kat say that she was actually going to "do"
anything...other than demonstrate, that is? 0 ; -)
>>>> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead ;-)
>>>Are they desperate there also?
>>No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering to help a
>>poor kitty in distress. <G>
>And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.............
But I didn't say what kind of help, did I?
Now, I have a Greek-American girlfriend who is just dying to get her hands on a
nice handsome Cretan tom >;-) She's a very pretty girl as a matter of fact. The
only problem is she could easily enter one of those Hawaian beauty
contests...LOL
>>I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much better at
>>demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
>Come again Krissie.....
There is some poster in scg (a guy, they say) who calls "herself" PriceGoldOne.
Apparently, "she" has been doing a bit of cybering and lured Sitalces into a
rather awkward situation, to put it mildly. Moreover, "she" (actually they)
even had the audacity to reveal the content of the IMs involved. Not a very
nice thing to do to anyone, regardless of who it is.
>>>am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the last thing
that
>>>will attract a woman.
>>That is certainly right. In fact, if a man is too large it can be a distinct
>>disadvantage. Like I said before: it's not what you've got, but what you do
>>with it that counts. And the same thing goes for females.
>So have you got a long tongue Krissie ?
Now, that is an interesting question. How many inches constitutes a long
tongue? And how does one measure it?...LOL
>>>No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
>>Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films have the
>>exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used to
>>sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly after midnight.
>>They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no plot, very
little
>>real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination <YAWN>
>You defiantly wern't watching a REAL adult channel. Playboy TV does not cum
er...ah...Aggie-tom...is that a spelling error I see there, or is your Freudian
slip showing?....LOLOL
>close.
>
>Try watching TV1000 or Eurotica, and concentrate on the amateurs. Adult
>entertainment is not about plot but about getting down to the nitty gritty.
I'm afraid I don't have access to those channels. And you're wrong about adult
entertainment not being about plot. Scandanavian porno flicks have plots. And
so do Belgian ones, although the latter are really kinky. In fact, one of the
kinkiest sex films I ever saw was a Belgian one and even though it was a porno
flick rather than an erotic one, it was still fascinating.
The real problem for me insofar as porno flicks go is that, in addition to
having absolutely no cinematic value whatsoever, nor imagination either for
that matter, most of them degrade women, whereas in erotic films women carry
the same "weight" as men even if the woman meets her fate in an unfortuanate
manner, as is often the case in Japanese films.
Actually though, I once saw a film at the annual New York Erotic Film Festival
that was most definitely a porno film but was extremely well done. It was
*very* explicit but very funny. The film was called "The Quickie" and depicted
a couple meeting on a dark streetcorner , going to a sleazy motel, and doing
just about everything imaginable ... all in about the space of one minute REEL
time. The sex scenes were in very fast motion and the accompanying sound track
was the William Tell Overture. It was fantastic and a very clever film indeed!
Just goes to show you what a little imagination can accomplish :-)))
And while still on the topic of porno films, a very funny incident happened in
the States a few years back. It seems that in one of the television studios in
the LA area, the staff used to screen porno films for their own amusement after
the station went off the air (it was a family network I think). Anyway, one
night they signed off (or so they thought) and put on a film as usual, only to
be deluged with telephone calls after about half an hour of viewing. It seems
that they had not properly signed off after all and that the hard core film
they were watching was also being avidly viewed by the LA TV public....LOLOL
>>>Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I say that I
>>>dream of those
>>>faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
>>Not with dreams, dear...with what you do before or after the dreams ;-)
Didn't
>>your mommy tell you what happens to little boys who do naughty things?<LOL>
>They grow up to be men.....
You mean big boys, don't you ;-)
Thank heavens they never told us little girls such scary things! But, then,
little girls were never suspected of doing naughty things like that, were
they?....LOLOL
Miros Pimenakis
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>
> "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > OpaTennant wrote:
> > >
> > > Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
> <38A6BB45...@stsnet.gr>
> > >
> > > >OpaTennant wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
> > >
>
> I'm sticking my nose in here. I'm being neglected. :((((((
Poor baby. I will punish myself dearly for that. LOLOL
>
> > > >> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
> > >
> > > >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
> > >
> > > >Did you ask me? :))
> > >
> > > No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly,
> you can always
> > > e-mail them <LOL>
> >
> > I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me :)))
> >
>
> Aww....I'd like to know as well. Even swap? ;-)
Wait until you come here, lovely. LOL
<snip>
> > > >With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that
> post of mine.
> > >
> > > What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are*
> you, anyway?
> > > Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
> >
> > I am referring to the post I was saying to Aggie that he was
> horrible and totally
> > incorrect about your weight. Did you miss that honey ?
> >
>
> Honey! Krissie is honey now, is she? Do you want to make me all
> upset, Miros?
Why honey?
<snip>
> > > You are not being realistic, Miros. Models cannot be alcoholics
> or drug
> > > addicts. They can be other things, but not that, especially the
> super models,
> > > the reason being that it would show physically and they'd be out
> on the street
> > > immediately. They have to be in *perfect* physical condition,
> which means NO
> > > drugs, NO alcohol (except for the occasional glass of wine with
> dinner or
> > > champagne at a reception), a strict diet, sufficient sleep (no
> staying out late
> > > at night partying), and plenty of exercise. The only thing they
> can indulge in
> > > is sex but most of the models develop a dislike for that even
> because of the
> > > circumstances involved.
> >
> > I disagree with you. I was watching a film about some super models
> and most of
> > them were commenting to those drug and alcohol problems. They
> might prevent a model
> > to become a super model maybe but those problems exist.
> >
>
> You are right Miros. Not only is it rife with ordinary models,
> supermodels do it as well. It helps keep their weight down.
I don't know about that. I think it has to do with the people they deal with or meet in their job.
>
> > > As for doing themselves in, when they do that it is because they
> are cast out
> > > into the street as "old" women at a very early age, like 30
> *maximum*. And most
> > > of them have no other assets to offer on the job market, so it
> means they have
> > > to either hook a husband or well-off lover quickly or else they
> will end up
> > > simply having to hook period. That's when they turn to alcohol
> and drugs, and
> > > some do end up doing themselves in.
> >
> > None of the super models are so keen to find a rich husband dear.
> They earn so much
> > they do not need more to live a more than comfortable enough life
> without even have
> > to work again in their lives. They have their own brokers to
> invest their money etc.
> >
>
> But the ordinary ones are probably interested in that. They aren't
> millionaires so they want to provide for their future. A models'
> career isn't that long.
Ok. I accept that. The ordinary ones have anyway less problem to adjust themselves back to reality though after they are not good anymore for that job. While the
supermodels find it very hard to accept they are no the Queen anymore.
It's like we say: The higher you are the bigger the fall.
<snip>
> > > >> Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
> > >
> > > >What is wrong with hope?
> > >
> > > Nothing at all, Miros. It often gets us what we want :-)
> >
> > Exactly. So have hope :))
> >
>
> I've been hoping too. Not that it gets me anywhere. Krissie gets all
> the guys flocking round her, I don't. I hope for some things, a lot
> of them. };-)
I think you underestimate yourself dear.
>
> > >
> > > >> >That's my girl. :)
> > > >> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
> > >
> > > >> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform
> in circusses.
> > > >> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
> > >
> > > >Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
> > >
> > > What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
> >
> > Thanks dear :))
> >
>
> He's cocky all right.
Very cocky with the good sense of the word. LOL
<snip>
> > > LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now, why
> didn't *I* think
> > > of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how? Hmmm....
> Krissie-kat is
> > > starting to get paranoid again.
> >
> > I think I will explain to you what I had in mind in private. It's
> a trick that
> > will make him run away :))
> >
>
> That one I think I know. Or maybe it's a different trick? <G>
Will talk about it while we have our beer in Komos beach.
<snip>
> > >
> > > On the other hand though, maybe that is why some men become
> gynaecologists:
> > > they just can't get enough of a good thing! <G>
> >
> > I am not a gynaecologist dear and I don't think you look at the
> "good" things
> > if one. Most probably the gynaecologists have more often
> "headaches" than their wives do :)
> > LOLOLOL
> >
>
> Or maybe they are just obsessed and that's why they specialize in
> gynaecology. The things I've heard about some of them would make
> your hair stand on end (if you are a woman).
Can you give us some examples or should I wait until this goes on a more appropriate NG?
LOLOLOLOL
<snip>
> > >
> > > >> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said
> *sexually* aggressive.
> > > >> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the
> wrong way.
> > > >> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
> > >
> > > >That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks
> lied to me? :-o
> > >
>
> Miros, Americans may think that, but other nationalities don't. It
> seems that American women looove foreign guys.
That's what I've heard also. Especially Italians or Greeks. It's something we have in our Mediterranean culture that attracts them a lot.
>
> > > I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to those
> Amerikanaki-s and
> > > you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
> >
> > They were not Americanakis. They were Greeks who went for a week
> in US and they ended having trouble to go out because of all these
> "shy" women trying to keep them there.
> > :)
> >
>
> I think you're right, Miros. It must be hard for an American to
> judge American reactions. The tales I've heard about American women
> falling all over non-American guys. You wouldn't believe it (or
> maybe you would). Could this be Krissie trying to keep you away from
> all those nasty American women? American men have problems, they
> are not as popular as non-Americans. I've been told that American
> women think their men are wimps, so any man with a foreign accent,
> they are fascinated with.
I rest my case then. :))
<snip>
> > > Seduction implies ACTIVE *initiatives* on the part of the woman
> (or man, as the
> > > case may be), and a woman who doesn't like sex is certainly not
> going to be the
> > > one to initiate activity.
> > >
> > > Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive
> behavior, you'll
> > > just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so that
> she can
> > > demonstrate in person ;-)
> >
> > Does Krissie-kat know tricks the other cats did not show to Miros
> so far? (G)
> > Well then I am anxious to see that demonstration. LOL
> >
>
> We both do. };-P
Are you going to provide one also ?
>
> > > >> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
> > >
> > > >> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again,
> Miros?...LOLOL
> > >
> > > >T_T = major tears
> > >
> > > Aaaaw, crocodile tears! <LOLOL>
> >
> > Beg you pardon? :((((
> >
>
> She means they are fake tears.
I know what she means. LOL
>
> > > >What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
> > >
> > > I was just teasing you, Miros. <G>
> >
> > Are you sure you are a lioness?
> >
> > >
> > > >> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the
> right city.
> > > >> >San Francisco.
> > >
> > > >> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington
> instead ;-)
> > >
> > > >Are they desperate there also?
> > >
> > > No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just
> offering to help a
> > > poor kitty in distress. <G>
> >
>
> Krissie is inviting you into her den.
No comment LOLOL
>
> > What Aggie has to do with all this?
> >
>
> Nothing. He's the one who wants endless amounts of females, all only
> interested in him.<G>
Well thanks God I do not have that problem.
>
> > LOLOLOL
> >
> > >
> > > >> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
> > >
> > > >> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men.
> Hmmm...is that the
> > > >> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
> > >
> > > >What do you have in mind honey?
> > >
> > > Oh, my...this IS getting interesting! <G>
> >
> > The way this conversation is going about I think we should take it
> to alt.talkabout.sex :))
> > LOL
> >
>
> Is there a group called that????
I really don't know. I am sure there must be one though.
I will have to check.
<snip>
> > >
> > > I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much
> better at
> > > demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
> >
> > Ok then I will wait. Meanwhile I will go and have a look at the
> other demonstrations near me if you don't mind. LOL
> >
>
> I won't be near you quite yet....
Oh? Did I mention your name dear? LOLOL
In any case I would like to see a demonstration from you also.
<snip>
> > What now? Do you really believe that the British are so bad
> lovers?
> > That is discrimination. Anyway that expression was used by the
> English and never the Greeks.
> >
>
> Maybe not as bad as Americans. There must be the odd good British
> lover somewhere. But they are selfish.
In what way dear? Are you sure that selfish thing is because they are British and not because they are men?
<snip>
> > > No, unfortunately, more as marriage prospects, meal tickets, or
> simply as doing
> > > their wifely duty. Or, even worse, some regard them simply as
> animals and not
> > > in the complimentary sense of the term.
> >
> > Gee. Perhaps this is why some men say they will never understand
> how your minds work? :)
> >
>
> Some women don't understand that concept of men. This one certainly
> doesn't!
So we have the same problem?
<snip>
> > >
> > > Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno
> films have the
> > > exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I
> used to
> > > sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly
> after midnight.
> > > They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no
> plot, very little
> > > real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination
> <YAWN>
> >
>
> Exactly. They are unimaginative and boring. How can anyone enjoy
> watching the same mechanical actions in various permutations, over
> and over. If you've seen one, you've seen them all. <big yawn> But a
> little bit of one as an appetizer maybe?
Now you get the point. LOL
>
> > for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I understand
> though why women hate porno films while they have no problem with
> erotic ones.
> >
>
> Too true. They are made for men as well. So most women can't
> identify with them.
You think that most women do not like erotic films either?
<snip>
> > > >> >Well you know her better.
> > >
> > > >> Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two
> against one here ;-)
> > >
> > > >Are you proposing something dear? :)))
> > >
> > > Are you indulging in more of those fantasies, darling? ;-)
> >
> > I have some in mind, yes :)))
> >
>
> Now that might suit everyone concerned. :))))))))
Are you concerned dear?
LOLOLOLOLOL
MSP
Miros Pimenakis
OpaTennant wrote:
>
> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message <38A8A353...@stsnet.gr>
>
> >OpaTennant wrote:
> >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
> >> >OpaTennant wrote:
> >> >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>
> >> >> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
> >>
> >> >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
> >>
> >> >Did you ask me? :))
> >>
> >> No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly, you can
> always
> >> e-mail them <LOL>
>
> >I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me :)))
>
> Will *all* will be revealed then? ;-)
Are you prepared for that? I don't want to run with you at the hospital LOL
>
> >> >> >There isn't going to be much of us left LOL.
> >> >> >Especially if she likes to be on top LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>
> >> >> Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that with Krissie-kat, in spite of
> >> >> Aggie-tom's insinuations :-)
> >>
> >> >With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read that post of
> mine.
>
> >> What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small *are* you, anyway?
> >> Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey? <LOL>
>
> >I am referring to the post I was saying to Aggie that he was horrible and
> totally
> >incorrect about your weight. Did you miss that honey ?
>
> I must have. Anyway, now I understand. It was Aggie's comment that you
> disagreed with, not with my statement :-)))
Thanks God we cleared this.
<snip>
> >I disagree with you. I was watching a film about some super models and most of
> >them were commenting to those drug and alcohol problems. They might prevent a
> >model
> >to become a super model maybe but those problems exist.
>
> Since I didn't see that program, I can't really comment on it. All I know is
> what my girlfriend in London told me and also what I was told by the agency
> concerning the type of lifestyle required of the girls in their stable. They
> told me that drugs and alcohol were definitely out and a strict physical and
> dietary regime had to be followed. As for one's private (i.e., sex) life, they
> said they didn't care what went on there, either on or off the job.
Especially that last bit is for sure not in their interest.
> Having said that, my modeling friend did take tranquilizers as she was always a
> nervous wreck because of her work. We used to have long talks in the evening
> and she would sometimes burst into tears and tell me that she wished she could
> trade lives with me, that she hated her work and the extreme insecurity and
> anxiety associated with it.
See? Isn't that what I was telling you? That is why some of this girls end up
having bad lives.
<snip>
> >None of the super models are so keen to find a rich husband dear. They earn so
> much
> >they do not need more to live a more than comfortable enough life without even
> have
> >to work again in their lives. They have their own brokers to invest their
> >money etc.
>
> Maybe the supermodels, the ones at the top earn that much money, but don't
> forget that their worklife is shortlived, only about 5-10 years maximum,
> depending on how young they are when they start out. Also, many of the models,
> I understand, have personal "financial advisors" who bilk them of much of their
> earnings. My friend in London made very good money because she was in the
> stable of one of the world's top designers but somehow she never seemed to be
> all that well off. Of course, she (like most of them) had considerable expenses
> (like, children out of wedlock to support, a fancy apartment to maintain, etc.)
> but she was retired by age 26, so whatever savings she had managed to acquire
> had to last for quite some time.
That is the problem of trying to pretend you are rich.
> The problem with most of those girls is that once they've worked in the meat
> market they're not good for much else. I suggested that my friend go back to
> school and get a university education (she was quite bright) but she just
> laughed and told me that I was crazy, all that effort and for what, that she
> would never get the kind of money that she made modeling. With an attitude like
> that, one doesn't have to be a fortune teller to know the remaining options.
>
> [....]
Exactly. So after they finish their work life which is very short the real problems start.
and then alcohol, drugs etc. as usual is the easiest solution for those girls
>
> >> >> >That's my girl. :)
> >> >> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
> >>
> >> >> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform in
> >circusses.
> >> >> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
> >>
> >> >Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
>
> >> What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
>
> >Thanks dear :))
>
> I see you took that as a compliment ;-)
The word has a meaning I can regard as a compliment. Of course it has other meanings as well which are not so nice but I don't think you wanted to insult me. Did you? LOL
<snip>
> >I think I will explain to you what I had in mind in private. It's a trick that
> >will make him run away :))
>
> Then you must definitely tell me. It could come in handy sometime. Not that I
> intend to go for any more modeling interviews but I could certainly have used
> something like that when I was in Turkey. Let me tell you, I had to literally
> wrestle my way out of more than one situation in Turkey, as those Turks can be
> really aggressive when it comes to pursuing a woman they are interested in.
How many Greeks or Italians have you met so far, dear? LOLOLOL
I said I will tell you when you come here.
> >> Now, could Miros possibly be that sensational
> >> guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those wonderful
> nights
> >> we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
>
> >No comment.
>
> HEY! You weren't supposed to say THAT!!! ....LOLOL You were supposed to tell
> me that I must have you confused with someone else. You're forgetting your
> lines, Miros, dear ;-)
This is not a theatre play, honey. You should be more careful before making such statements. LOLOLOL
<snip>
> >I am not a gynaecologist dear and I don't think you look at the "good" things
> >if one. Most probably the gynaecologists have more often "headaches" than
> >their wives do :)
> >LOLOLOL
>
> Well, then, that just proves my point, doesn't it? ;-) And what's so good about
> that anyway? Unless you're talking about the ones married to women who have
> "headaches". Fortunately, Krissie-kat never gets headaches :-)))
No I refer to the men gynaecologists who lose any interest on sex because of what they have to deal with, in their work :))
I am glad that you don't have headaches. I am very glad indeed :))))
> >> >> >Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
> >> >> >I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the exact
> >> >> >opposite. :'-(
> >>
> >> >> Now why do I get the distinct feeling that Miros is not taking
> >Krissie-kat
> >> >> seriously at all? ;-P
> >>
> >> >But I am :))
> >> >What's wrong with some humour? Do you really want to have a very serious
> >> >conversation?
>
> >> What do you think, dear? <G>
>
> >Naaaaa :))))
>
> } :-)))))
>
> >> >Ah, and put that tongue back in.
>
> >> } :- p
> >>
> >> Or did you want it all the way in? <LOL>
>
> >I would prefer it for some more interesting "entertainment" LOLOLOL
>
> Krissie-kat is definitely not going to ask what that might be....LOL
She knows anyway. Don't you dear :))))
> >> >> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually*
> aggressive.
> >> >> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the wrong way.
> >> >> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
> >>
> >> >That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks lied to me?
> >:-o
>
> >> I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to those Amerikanaki-s
> and
> >> you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
>
> >They were not Americanakis. They were Greeks who went for a week in US and
> >they ended having trouble to go out because of all these "shy" women trying
> >to keep them there. :)
>
> Shy women? I'm afraid there are not too many of those in America. Shy doesn't
> quite fit with aggressive. But aggressive doesn't necessarily mean seductive
> either.
Do you have the same opinion about the men?
>
> And just where did they go, Miros? To San Francisco? ;-) Are you sure those
> were women they met?...LOL
No they went to NY. Can you be sure about that in our days anyway? LOLOL
<snip>
> >> Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive behavior, you'll
> >> just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so that she can
> >> demonstrate in person ;-)
>
> >Does Krissie-kat know tricks the other cats did not show to Miros so far? (G)
> >Well then I am anxious to see that demonstration. LOL
>
> Just how many other cats has Miros been with? Now, he wouldn't be a promiscuous
> kitty, would he? Anyway, Krissie-kat believes in improvisation and adaptation,
> depending upon the person, mood, and circumstances, so she could still probably
> teach Miros a few new tricks ;-)
I am always open to learn new tricks LOLOL
>
> >> >> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
> >>
> >> >> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again, Miros?...LOLOL
> >>
> >> >T_T = major tears
> >>
> >> Aaaaw, crocodile tears! <LOLOL>
> >
> >Beg you pardon? :((((
>
> You do know what that expression means, don't you? Do they have a similar
> expression in Greek?
Yes we do. We say "krokodeilia dakrya".
>
> >> >What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
>
> >> I was just teasing you, Miros. <G>
>
> >Are you sure you are a lioness?
>
> Why? Would you rather I be something else? ;-) I could always be a beautiful
> bird of paradise, but then that big bad lion would just gobble me up <G>
No I could not. We lions always appreciate beauty :)))
> >> >> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
> >> >> >San Francisco.
>
> >> >> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead
> >;-)
>
> >> >Are they desperate there also?
>
> >> No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering to help a
> >> poor kitty in distress. <G>
>
> >What Aggie has to do with all this?
> >LOLOLOL
>
> Aggie? Who's Aggie? ;-)
How old are you dear? LOLOLOLOL
> >> >> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
>
> >> >> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men. Hmmm...is that
> the
> >> >> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
>
> >> >What do you have in mind honey?
>
> >> Oh, my...this IS getting interesting!<G>
>
> >The way this conversation is going about I think we should take it to
> >alt.talkabout.sex :))
> >LOL
>
> Oh, we're not there yet? I thought that's what this group was....LOL So,
> THAT's where you spend your time when you disappear from scg? As for
> Krissie-kat, she's never visited one of "those" places, as one can never tell
> what sort of strange people turn up there ;-) Maybe we ought to start our own
> group...LOL
Considering the people who come up every now and then in SCG, I don't think you will find something stranger at those NG's. I don't have much experience on those but from
some friends of mine that wondering there all the time and from what I saw it's not that bad anyway. At least for us, men. It's like porno movies. And don't think they have
much of a conversation in those NG's. LOL
<snip>
> >> >Tell us about them :))
>
> >> I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm much better at
> >> demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks <LOLOL>
>
> >Ok then I will wait. Meanwhile I will go and have a look at the other
> >demonstrations near me if you don't mind. LOL
>
> HISSSSS!!!! In that case the lion will have a *very* long wait...LOL
What is wrong dear? Did anyone bite you? LOL
> >> >> >Do it for England my daughter?
> >>
> >> >> You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they ever bloody
> >> think
> >> >> about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village, I would
> watch the
> >> >> men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women would
> evidence
> >> >no
> >> >> response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack about British
> males!
> >> >> It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become extinct by now!
>
> >> >I think that is a British expression rather than a Greek one.
>
> >> ??????
>
> >What now? Do you really believe that the British are so bad lovers?
>
> Yes, I do. I lived in England for two years and was not impressed with that
> aspect of life there. But, then, as they say: "a chacun son gout"
What that phrase means?
>
> >That is discrimination.
>
> Not if it's based on observation and experience. The only British men I found
> to be appealing that way were immigrants or men born into immigrant families.
Are you implying that all those James Bond movies lie? Shame on you. LOLOL
>
> Now, the Irish are a different lot. They are still influenced to some extent by
> all that Christian "sex is sin" nonsense, but it doesn't seem to affect their
> lusty instincts behaviorally. One only has to visit a REAL (not the pseudo ones
> in England and the US) Irish pub to see the enormous difference in attitudes
> and behavior. Even in the village where I once lived in England, the only
> people in our local who really knew how to have a good time were the Irish,
> including a wonderful elderly Irish lady in her 70s whom we called "Mum". She
> could put away a pint just as readily as the boys and compete with them on an
> even footing when it came to certain kinds of jokes and humor. What a
> delightful contrast to the stiffness and propriety of the Brits.
Well that stiffness and propriety of the Brits I know very well. I find it always hilarious when they come here and they try to pretend they are so open on sex matters.
They start talking to us about sex and everything goes fine until we start going into details. Then you see all those Brits asking desperately to end the conversation with
the excuse that things go out of hand. LOLOLOL
They never do that mistake again and they admit that they are much more conservative that we are. The funniest part of all though is when it is a company of women and men
talking. While the Greek women speak freely about it the British go to hide LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>
> > Anyway that expression was used by the English and
> >never the Greeks.
>
> What expression, Miros? You mean: "Do it for England, my daughter" ? Of course,
> that is a British expression. I couldn't imagine the Greeks saying such a thing
> as that. Their motto would probably be: "Just do it!" ....LOLOL
No it's something else and I find it disgusting to say it here.
>
> [....]
>
> >> >So you mean that the women who sleep with a man and do not enjoy it at all
> do
> >> >not consider them as meat? But as what? Stallions?
>
> >> No, unfortunately, more as marriage prospects, meal tickets, or simply as
> >doing
> >> their wifely duty. Or, even worse, some regard them simply as animals and
> not
> >> in the complimentary sense of the term.
>
> >Gee. Perhaps this is why some men say they will never understand how your
> >minds work? :)
>
> Mind you, Miros, I am talking about women in the West (more specifically, in
> the US and GB), NOT in the East. I found women in the Middle East to be
> absolutely delightful, especially Egyptian women. They had very healthy sexual
> identities, a wonderful sense of humor, and were very comfortable with men.
> Now, *those* women really know how to be seductive. And, what is even better,
> so do the men :-))))
So my plans for a trip to Egypt will well worth it?
> Let's face it, Miros, despite what many may think to the contrary, the
> relationship between the sexes in the West has deteriorated not improved over
> the past couple of decades, what with all that women's lib and political
> correctness. Why can't women comprehend that liberation does not mean that one
> has to go around kicking men in the balls and accusing them of harrassment
> every time a guy gives in to his natural instincts and indulges in a little
> flirtatious behavior. The whole thing has gotten out of hand in the West and
> has made an originally problematic situation even worse.
Of course it did. They did not go for the essence but just the surface.
And still most of them consider it as a victory for God's shake.
It's a main difference between the East vs West mentality I think.
<snip>
> >> >In any case I've never met anyone that used that to know if it helped him
> or
> >> >not and i have serious reasons to doubt. The men that think in that way are
> >> >stupid as far as I
> >> >am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the last thing
> that
> >> >will attract a woman.
>
> >> That is certainly right. In fact, if a man is too large it can be a distinct
> >> disadvantage. Like I said before: it's not what you've got, but what you do
> >> with it that counts. And the same thing goes for females.
>
> >Oh yes :))) Are you referring to the "balconies" again?
> >LOLOL
>
> "balconies"? "again"? Miros! Surely, you are not referring to part of the
> female anatomy! <LOL>
Surely I do. Why not?
> >> >> >You don't know what you missing.
> >>
> >> >> Miros, dear, I am a girl, so I am not missing anything. Unless, that is,
> you're
> >> >> referring to all those so-called hunks that appear on the show. However,
> I'm
> >> >> afraid they don't do much for this kitty. I get more of a turnon from
> watching
> >> >> Count Dracula than something like that. Believe it or not, I find someone
> like
> >> >> the actor Harvey Keitel ("Smoke") or Jack Palance ("Diary of a Hit Man")
> far
> >> more sexy than those sterile Hollywood
> >> >androids. They
> >> >> may not be handsome but they are very sexy.
>
> >> >You've misunderstood my point.
>
> >> ?????
>
> >My point was that films like that are good for a nice sleep.
>
> Well, if you mean by that boring, then I certainly did misunderstand you.
If only it was the first time. Sigh.....
>
> >> >> >It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
> >>
> >> >> You mean, Viagra, dear, don't you? ;-)))
>
> >> >No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
>
> >> Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films have the
> >> exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used to
> >> sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly after midnight.
> >> They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no plot, very
> little
> >> real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination <YAWN>
>
> >for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I understand though why
> >women hate porno films while they have no problem with erotic ones.
>
> Can you guys tell the difference, Miros? <G>
Yes we can. You might be surprised to find out how many men do not like porno movies as much as they like erotic ones.
>
> >> >> >One episode the day just before you go to bed and you sleeeeeeeeeeeeep
> >> >> >like a
> >> >> >baby :) Not to mention the very pleasant dreams LOLOLOL
>
> Now, see, there you go again! That was the reason for the misunderstanding <G>
That was an old thing I wrote. Read more carefully dear.
> >> >> So, that's what you guys do when you watch Baywatch! Have you had your
> eyes
> >> >> checked lately, dear? You may need a new prescription <LOL>
>
> >> >Why? What my eyes have to do with my dreams? And anyway did I say that I
> >> >dream of those
> >> >faces and bodies in my dreams? Geeee.
>
> >> Not with dreams, dear...with what you do before or after the dreams ;-)
> Didn't
> >> your mommy tell you what happens to little boys who do naughty things? <LOL>
>
> >Nonsense. I am eating lot's of carrots anyway. Not to mention that this kitty
> has
> >company near it anyway. LOL
>
> Well, Miros had better not let the missus (or mistress, as the case may be) see
> what he is writing or he won't have it for long...LOL
My girlfriend does not mind at all. In fact we have a very open relationship and although we love each other very much we do not like the concept of marriage or monogamy.
> >> >> >Just don't push it.
> >>
> >> >> Now what is that threat all about? <G> Anyway, do you really expect us to
> >> >> believe you now after what you've just said about Baywatch? ;-)
> >>
> >> >It's not my fault if you misunderstood me completely.
> >>
> >> So explain. Krissie-kat apparently needs a little more education about the
> >> birds and bees...and about Cretan men ;-)
>
> >I am supporting women up to the point they start getting extreme. Then....
>
> Oh, and just what do you consider extreme, dear?
Some women that start acting worst than the men they accuse.
>
> >> >You do believe me anyway so why are you denying it now? :)
>
> >> Because you just contradicted yourself by demonstrating that you are like
> your
> >> Amerikanaki counterparts <G>
>
> >I am not and you should not try to generalize so fast. Just because we slept
> >once together it does not mean that you know me. LOLOL
>
> WHAAAAAT!!!!! MIROS!!! What do you mean once?! Are you trying to wreck poor
> Krissie-kat's reputation? ;-) And what will your poor wife say when she sees
> this? ...LOLOL
>
> >> >> >Well you know her better.
> >>
> >> >> Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two against one here
> >;-)
> >>
> >> >Are you proposing something dear? :)))
>
> >> Are you indulging in more of those fantasies, darling? ;-)
>
> >I have some in mind, yes :)))
>
> I thought you didn't like extremes, dear ;-) Make up your mind, Miros, darling
> ....LOLOL
That is not extreme at all honey. We all have our fantasies and hopes.
MSP
Kritifile
>
>
> Kritifile wrote:
> >
> > "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
> > news:38A8A353...@stsnet.gr...
> > >
> > >
> > > OpaTennant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
> > <38A6BB45...@stsnet.gr>
> > > >
> > > > >OpaTennant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
> > > >
> >
> > I'm sticking my nose in here. I'm being neglected. :((((((
>
> Poor baby. I will punish myself dearly for that. LOLOL
>
How will you punish yourself? If you don't ignore me I can think of
a suitable tasty punishment for you. :-P
> >
> > > > >> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
> > > >
> > > > >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics"
;-)
> > > >
> > > > >Did you ask me? :))
> > > >
> > > > No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them
publicly,
> > you can always
> > > > e-mail them <LOL>
> > >
> > > I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me
:)))
> > >
> >
> > Aww....I'd like to know as well. Even swap? ;-)
>
> Wait until you come here, lovely. LOL
>
Patience is a virtue, they say. Hey, you aren't ever somewhere
around the North-West?...no, couldn't be you, Miros......if it
was...<slurp>....LOL
>
> <snip>
> > > > >With which I don't agree but it seems that you never read
that
> > post of mine.
> > > >
> > > > What!??? Which post are you referring to? Just how small
*are*
> > you, anyway?
> > > > Now, you wouldn't be a midget, would you, Miros, honey?
<LOL>
> > >
> > > I am referring to the post I was saying to Aggie that he was
> > horrible and totally
> > > incorrect about your weight. Did you miss that honey ?
> > >
> >
> > Honey! Krissie is honey now, is she? Do you want to make me all
> > upset, Miros?
>
> Why honey?
>
I don't know. Maybe it's a little plot of yours. Do you like honey
and yoghourt all over.....no, I'll say no more.
Probably, and the pressure to keep as thin as sticks. Must be easy
to stay thin for them if they take something that stops them wanting
to eat. There is too much exploitation in that business.
Some of the old supermodels have fallen really hard. More then one
has been reported checking into drug rehabilitation clinics. If they
spent all the money they can't afford the habit anymore, maybe. And
it could cause problems with ordinary work.
> <snip>
> > > > >> Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
> > > >
> > > > >What is wrong with hope?
> > > >
> > > > Nothing at all, Miros. It often gets us what we want :-)
> > >
> > > Exactly. So have hope :))
> > >
> >
> > I've been hoping too. Not that it gets me anywhere. Krissie gets
all
> > the guys flocking round her, I don't. I hope for some things, a
lot
> > of them. };-)
>
> I think you underestimate yourself dear.
>
That's a very nice of you to say to me, Miros. What a darling you
can be.
> >
> > > >
> > > > >> >That's my girl. :)
> > > > >> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
> > > >
> > > > >> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to
perform
> > in circusses.
> > > > >> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses
;-)
> > > >
> > > > >Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
> > > >
> > > > What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
> > >
> > > Thanks dear :))
> > >
> >
> > He's cocky all right.
>
> Very cocky with the good sense of the word. LOL
>
Naturally. That's what I meant. ;-)
>
> <snip>
> > > > LOLOL...that would have really thrown him for a loop! Now,
why
> > didn't *I* think
> > > > of that! Hey! What makes you so sure that I know how?
Hmmm....
> > Krissie-kat is
> > > > starting to get paranoid again.
> > >
> > > I think I will explain to you what I had in mind in private.
It's
> > a trick that
> > > will make him run away :))
> > >
> >
> > That one I think I know. Or maybe it's a different trick? <G>
>
> Will talk about it while we have our beer in Komos beach.
>
Sounds like a fascinating discussion. Those tricks can be very
useful to a girl.
>
> <snip>
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand though, maybe that is why some men become
> > gynaecologists:
> > > > they just can't get enough of a good thing! <G>
> > >
> > > I am not a gynaecologist dear and I don't think you look at
the
> > "good" things
> > > if one. Most probably the gynaecologists have more often
> > "headaches" than their wives do :)
> > > LOLOLOL
> > >
> >
> > Or maybe they are just obsessed and that's why they specialize
in
> > gynaecology. The things I've heard about some of them would make
> > your hair stand on end (if you are a woman).
>
> Can you give us some examples or should I wait until this goes on
a more appropriate NG?
> LOLOLOLOL
>
Hey, everyone would complain if I gave examples here. Well, not
everyone, but some would. This isn't an appropriate newsgroup for
that. LOL
> <snip>
> > > >
> > > > >> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said
> > *sexually* aggressive.
> > > > >> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in
the
> > wrong way.
> > > > >> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
> > > >
> > > > >That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those
Greeks
> > lied to me? :-o
> > > >
> >
> > Miros, Americans may think that, but other nationalities don't.
It
> > seems that American women looove foreign guys.
>
> That's what I've heard also. Especially Italians or Greeks. It's
something we have in our Mediterranean culture that attracts them a
lot.
Mediterranean origins are the most popular, true, espescially Greeks
and Italians. How much it has to do with Anglo-Saxon folklore, I
don't know, but Anglo-Saxon guys, they are hopeless.
>
> >
> > > > I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to
those
> > Amerikanaki-s and
> > > > you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
> > >
> > > They were not Americanakis. They were Greeks who went for a
week
> > in US and they ended having trouble to go out because of all
these
> > "shy" women trying to keep them there.
> > > :)
> > >
> >
> > I think you're right, Miros. It must be hard for an American to
> > judge American reactions. The tales I've heard about American
women
> > falling all over non-American guys. You wouldn't believe it (or
> > maybe you would). Could this be Krissie trying to keep you away
from
> > all those nasty American women? American men have problems,
they
> > are not as popular as non-Americans. I've been told that
American
> > women think their men are wimps, so any man with a foreign
accent,
> > they are fascinated with.
>
> I rest my case then. :))
>
You're right, Miros. Everyone seems to know it except Americans. :)
> <snip>
> > > > Seduction implies ACTIVE *initiatives* on the part of the
woman
> > (or man, as the
> > > > case may be), and a woman who doesn't like sex is certainly
not
> > going to be the
> > > > one to initiate activity.
> > > >
> > > > Now, as for specific examples of what constitutes seductive
> > behavior, you'll
> > > > just have to wait until Krissie-kat visits Crete again so
that
> > she can
> > > > demonstrate in person ;-)
> > >
> > > Does Krissie-kat know tricks the other cats did not show to
Miros
> > so far? (G)
> > > Well then I am anxious to see that demonstration. LOL
> > >
> >
> > We both do. };-P
>
> Are you going to provide one also ?
>
But of course. I wouldn't dream of saying that otherwise. }:-)
> >
> > > > >> >Now look what you've done to me. T_T
> > > >
> > > > >> Hey, what's that? Are you making obscene gestures again,
> > Miros?...LOLOL
> > > >
> > > > >T_T = major tears
> > > >
> > > > Aaaaw, crocodile tears! <LOLOL>
> > >
> > > Beg you pardon? :((((
> > >
> >
> > She means they are fake tears.
>
> I know what she means. LOL
>
I know, just joking.<G>
> >
> > > > >What do you mean by "again"? When did I do any before?
> > > >
> > > > I was just teasing you, Miros. <G>
> > >
> > > Are you sure you are a lioness?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen
the
> > right city.
> > > > >> >San Francisco.
> > > >
> > > > >> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to
Washington
> > instead ;-)
> > > >
> > > > >Are they desperate there also?
> > > >
> > > > No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just
> > offering to help a
> > > > poor kitty in distress. <G>
> > >
> >
> > Krissie is inviting you into her den.
>
> No comment LOLOL
What are you going to do with all these pussy cats, Miros? LOLOL
>
> >
> > > What Aggie has to do with all this?
> > >
> >
> > Nothing. He's the one who wants endless amounts of females, all
only
> > interested in him.<G>
>
> Well thanks God I do not have that problem.
It is Aggie's downfall, I think. No lady wants a tom on the tiles
endlessly searching for more females.
>
> >
> > > LOLOLOL
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
> > > >
> > > > >> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men.
> > Hmmm...is that the
> > > > >> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
> > > >
> > > > >What do you have in mind honey?
> > > >
> > > > Oh, my...this IS getting interesting! <G>
> > >
> > > The way this conversation is going about I think we should
take it
> > to alt.talkabout.sex :))
> > > LOL
> > >
> >
> > Is there a group called that????
>
> I really don't know. I am sure there must be one though.
> I will have to check.
>
If there is, it could be more....ummm.....
> <snip>
> > > >
> > > > I'm a woman of few words when it comes to such things. I'm
much
> > better at
> > > > demonstrating them ;-) BUT NOT HERE! I'm no GOLDilocks
<LOLOL>
> > >
> > > Ok then I will wait. Meanwhile I will go and have a look at
the
> > other demonstrations near me if you don't mind. LOL
> > >
> >
> > I won't be near you quite yet....
>
> Oh? Did I mention your name dear? LOLOL
> In any case I would like to see a demonstration from you also.
>
No dear, you didn't mention my name. :) I was just being nosy so as
to attract some attention. You'll want a competition next. <G>
> <snip>
> > > What now? Do you really believe that the British are so bad
> > lovers?
> > > That is discrimination. Anyway that expression was used by the
> > English and never the Greeks.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe not as bad as Americans. There must be the odd good
British
> > lover somewhere. But they are selfish.
>
> In what way dear? Are you sure that selfish thing is because they
are British and not because they are men?
Both, in part. All men are selfish, but British men are also
repressed and unimaginative. I could put up with selfishness to some
extent, but I'm no cold fish and don't like cold and slimey men.
>
> <snip>
> > > > No, unfortunately, more as marriage prospects, meal tickets,
or
> > simply as doing
> > > > their wifely duty. Or, even worse, some regard them simply
as
> > animals and not
> > > > in the complimentary sense of the term.
> > >
> > > Gee. Perhaps this is why some men say they will never
understand
> > how your minds work? :)
> > >
> >
> > Some women don't understand that concept of men. This one
certainly
> > doesn't!
>
> So we have the same problem?
>
Of course we have the same problem. But who wants men and women to
be the same? Not me!
> <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno
> > films have the
> > > > exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in
Hungary, I
> > used to
> > > > sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly
> > after midnight.
> > > > They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually
no
> > plot, very little
> > > > real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO
imagination
> > <YAWN>
> > >
> >
> > Exactly. They are unimaginative and boring. How can anyone enjoy
> > watching the same mechanical actions in various permutations,
over
> > and over. If you've seen one, you've seen them all. <big yawn>
But a
> > little bit of one as an appetizer maybe?
>
> Now you get the point. LOL
>
Ahh...so that's what you mean. Now that is totally different. LOLOL
> >
> > > for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I
understand
> > though why women hate porno films while they have no problem
with
> > erotic ones.
> > >
> >
> > Too true. They are made for men as well. So most women can't
> > identify with them.
>
> You think that most women do not like erotic films either?
>
Most women like erotic films if they can identify with them. Rather
like the very popular 'romance' books, which are little more than
soft porn for women. Women tend to be more verbal than visual, which
is maybe why books are so popular. But erotic films? Good ones, love
them.
> <snip>
> > > > >> >Well you know her better.
> > > >
> > > > >> Yes, Anna and I know each other quite well, so it's two
> > against one here ;-)
> > > >
> > > > >Are you proposing something dear? :)))
> > > >
> > > > Are you indulging in more of those fantasies, darling? ;-)
> > >
> > > I have some in mind, yes :)))
> > >
> >
> > Now that might suit everyone concerned. :))))))))
>
> Are you concerned dear?
> LOLOLOLOLOL
>
What kind of concerned is that, Miros? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))
> MSP
>
>
>
>
OpaTennant
>OpaTennant wrote:
>> Miros Pimenakiswrote
>> >OpaTennant wrote:
>> >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
>> >> >OpaTennant wrote
>> >> >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
>> >>
>> >> >Did you ask me? :))
>> >>
>> >> No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly, you can
always
>> >> e-mail them <LOL>
>>
>> >I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me :)))
>> Will *all* will be revealed then? ;-)
>Are you prepared for that? I don't want to run with you at the hospital LOL
Krissie-kat is prepared for every eventuality; it comes with her line of work
;-) After all, she has been all over the world so she has seen and experienced
things that would probably send *you* to the hospital....LOLOL
[....]
>> >> >> >That's my girl. :)
>> >> >> >But what happened to the lioness I knew?
>> >>
>> >> >> Lionesses don't like being put in chains and made to perform in
>> >circusses.
>> >> >> That's why you only see lions in circusses, not lionesses ;-)
>> >>
>> >> >Are you sure it has nothing to do with the males beauty?
>>
>> >> What a cocky little kitty you are, Miros ;-)
>>
>> >Thanks dear :))
>>
>> I see you took that as a compliment ;-)
>
>The word has a meaning I can regard as a compliment. Of course it has other
>meanings as well which are not so nice but I don't think you wanted to insult
>me. Did you? LOL
Now, you know I wouldn't do that, dear ;-)
>> >I think I will explain to you what I had in mind in private. It's a trick
that
>> >will make him run away :))
>>
>> Then you must definitely tell me. It could come in handy sometime. Not that
I
>> intend to go for any more modeling interviews but I could certainly have
used
>> something like that when I was in Turkey. Let me tell you, I had to
literally
>> wrestle my way out of more than one situation in Turkey, as those Turks can
be
>> really aggressive when it comes to pursuing a woman they are interested in.
>How many Greeks or Italians have you met so far, dear? LOLOLOL
>I said I will tell you when you come here.
Quite a few, Miros, not to mention other nationalities as well. After all, my
field of expertise *is* international relations, so what did you expect
...LOLOL
>> >> Now, could Miros possibly be that sensational
>> >> guy I met in Mires last summer? Aaaah....when I recall those wonderful
>> nights
>> >> we spent on the beach <LOLOL>
>>
>> >No comment.
>>
>> HEY! You weren't supposed to say THAT!!! ....LOLOL You were supposed to
>tell
>> me that I must have you confused with someone else. You're forgetting your
>> lines, Miros, dear ;-)
>This is not a theatre play, honey. You should be more careful before making
>such statements. LOLOLOL
That's right, Miros, it's not. This is a wordgame and Krissie loves wordgames,
because they are a kind of verbal fencing. One must weigh every move carefully
and try to guess how others will respond. So, rest assured, KRISSIE-KAT *is*
QUITE careful with her statements...but it looks like *you* scored the hit this
time. Touche! :-))))
>> >I am not a gynaecologist dear and I don't think you look at the "good"
things
>> >if one. Most probably the gynaecologists have more often "headaches" than
>> >their wives do :)
>> >LOLOLOL
>> Well, then, that just proves my point, doesn't it? ;-) And what's so good
about
>> that anyway? Unless you're talking about the ones married to women who have
>> "headaches". Fortunately, Krissie-kat never gets headaches :-)))
>No I refer to the men gynaecologists who lose any interest on sex because of
>what they have to deal with, in their work
Looks like I'm not the only one subject to misunderstanding. You didn't
understand my reply, Miros. I was agreeing with you about gynaecologists being
put off sex. In fact, that was the whole gist of my original comment. My point
with regard to your reply was that this is NOT a good thing UNLESS they are
married to women who ALSO suffer headaches.
>I am glad that you don't have headaches. I am very glad indeed :))))
Apropos of that topic, you should take a look at aspirin sales in
America...they are sky high. Now, don't you think it rather interesting that
people in the Middle East take very few headache remedies...LOLOL It is a
pretty well known fact among doctors, especially among psychiatrists, that
people who are constantly suffering all kind of aches and pains (and OTC drugs
in America for these complaints are a billion dollar business) are generally
ones who have an unsatisfactory sex life.
>> >> >> >Is that true? You mean that they were lying to me? :-o
>> >> >> >I was ready to come there for some time because I've been told the
>exact
>> >> >> >opposite. :'-(
>> >>
>> >> >> Now why do I get the distinct feeling that Miros is not taking
>> >Krissie-kat
>> >> >> seriously at all? ;-P
>> >>
>> >> >But I am :))
>> >> >What's wrong with some humour? Do you really want to have a very serious
>> >> >conversation?
>>
>> >> What do you think, dear? <G>
>>
>> >Naaaaa :))))
>>
>> } :-)))))
>>
>> >> >Ah, and put that tongue back in.
>>
>> >> } :- p
>> >>
>> >> Or did you want it all the way in? <LOL>
>>
>> >I would prefer it for some more interesting "entertainment" LOLOLOL
>>
>> Krissie-kat is definitely not going to ask what that might be....LOL
>
>She knows anyway. Don't you dear :))))
No comment...LOLOL
>> >> >> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually*
aggressive.
>> >> >> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the wrong
>way.
>> >> >> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
>> >>
>> >> >That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks lied to
me?
>> >:-o
>>
>> >> I'm afraid so, Miros. Besides, you've been listening to those
Amerikanaki-s and
>> >> you know what kind of women *they* sleep with ;-)
>>
>> >They were not Americanakis. They were Greeks who went for a week in US and
>> >they ended having trouble to go out because of all these "shy" women trying
>> >to keep them there. :)
>>
>> Shy women? I'm afraid there are not too many of those in America. Shy
doesn't
>> quite fit with aggressive. But aggressive doesn't necessarily mean seductive
>> either.
>Do you have the same opinion about the men?
Miros, when I criticize Western sexual mores, at least those in the US and GB,
I am referring to the populace as a whole (yes, yes, Anna, we know there are
exceptions). The majority of men in America have never had healthy sexual
attitudes to begin with, but things have gotten a whole lot worse since the
advent of women's liberation and the accompanying generalized concept of sexual
harrassment. Men have become emasculated to a large extent as a consequence of
this whole attempt to obliterate all differences between the sexes.
I certainly would not want to be a male in America, as they have been put in an
unenviable position in society. Women have spent the past couple of decades in
America busting their balls and now won't date them because they are "wimps".
So, what do American women do, at least the ones who don't hate sex altogether?
They chase after foreign men.
[....]
>> >> >> >The dream of my life had collapsed. I had even chosen the right city.
>> >> >> >San Francisco.
>>
>> >> >> Aaaw, poor baby. Well, you'll just have to come to Washington instead
>> >;-)
>>
>> >> >Are they desperate there also?
>>
>> >> No, but I think poor Miros is <LOL> Krissie-kat was just offering to
>help a
>> >> poor kitty in distress. <G>
>>
>> >What Aggie has to do with all this?
>> >LOLOLOL
>>
>> Aggie? Who's Aggie? ;-)
>
>How old are you dear? LOLOLOLOL
Did you misunderstand my humor again, Miros, or are you just being
sarcastic?<G>
>> >> >> >I've heard the women there are REALLY desperate.
>>
>> >> >> Probably because the city is populated mostly by gay men. Hmmm...is
>that the
>> >> >> only reason you want to go to San Francisco, dear? <G>
>>
>> >> >What do you have in mind honey?
>>
>> >> Oh, my...this IS getting interesting!<G>
>>
>> >The way this conversation is going about I think we should take it to
>> >alt.talkabout.sex :))
>> >LOL
>>
>> Oh, we're not there yet? I thought that's what this group was....LOL So,
>> THAT's where you spend your time when you disappear from scg? As for
>> Krissie-kat, she's never visited one of "those" places, as one can never
tell
>> what sort of strange people turn up there ;-) Maybe we ought to start our
own
>> group...LOL
>Considering the people who come up every now and then in SCG, I don't think
>you will find something stranger at those NG's.
That was precisely the point I was making, dear <G>
> I don't have much experience
>on those but from
>some friends of mine that wondering there all the time and from what I saw
>it's not that bad anyway. At least for us, men. It's like porno movies. And
>don't think they have
>much of a conversation in those NG's. LOL
They don't know what they're missing ;-) Picture-books are for children. IMO,
getting into another person's mind and letting that person's into yours is what
real fun and games are about and, at least for me, is the ultimate turn-on, the
icing on the cake, as it were. To do that though requires imagination and a
spirit of adventure, which most people who are into porn do not appear to have.
[....]
>> >> >> >Do it for England my daughter?
>> >>
>> >> >> You mean for the "queen mother", don't you? That's all they ever
>bloody
>> >> think
>> >> >> about there. When I use to go up to the local in my village, I would
>> watch the
>> >> >> men flirt with the women and it was unbelievable! The women would
>> evidence
>> >> >no
>> >> >> response whatsoever, except for the occasional wisecrack about British
>> males!
>> >> >> It's a wonder that the British population hasn't become extinct by
now!
>>
>> >> >I think that is a British expression rather than a Greek one.
>>
>> >> ??????
>>
>> >What now? Do you really believe that the British are so bad lovers?
>>
>> Yes, I do. I lived in England for two years and was not impressed with that
>> aspect of life there. But, then, as they say: "a chacun son gout"
>What that phrase means?
It is a French expresssion which means "to each his own taste* or, as they say
more often in English "whatever turns you on".
>> >That is discrimination.
>> Not if it's based on observation and experience. The only British men I
found
>> to be appealing that way were immigrants or men born into immigrant
>families.
>Are you implying that all those James Bond movies lie? Shame on you. LOLOL
I never came across any James Bonds in England. For that matter, I've never
come across any in the "business" either. Quite the contrary. Those films are
pure fairy tale, I can assure you, dear. The only place you'll ever find any
James Bond types outside Hollywood is in the upper echelons of the underworld.
>> Now, the Irish are a different lot. They are still influenced to some extent
by
>> all that Christian "sex is sin" nonsense, but it doesn't seem to affect
their
>> lusty instincts behaviorally. One only has to visit a REAL (not the pseudo
ones
>> in England and the US) Irish pub to see the enormous difference in attitudes
>> and behavior. Even in the village where I once lived in England, the only
>> people in our local who really knew how to have a good time were the Irish,
>> including a wonderful elderly Irish lady in her 70s whom we called "Mum".
She
>> could put away a pint just as readily as the boys and compete with them on
an
>> even footing when it came to certain kinds of jokes and humor. What a
>> delightful contrast to the stiffness and propriety of the Brits.
>Well that stiffness and propriety of the Brits I know very well. I find it
>always hilarious when they come here and they try to pretend they are so open
>on sex matters.
>They start talking to us about sex and everything goes fine until we start
>going into details. Then you see all those Brits asking desperately to end
>the conversation with
>the excuse that things go out of hand. LOLOLOL
Don't I know it! When I first went to settle in one of the small villages where
I lived in England, the men at the local all came on strong to me at first,
because I was a foreigner and I guess they figured I would be more receptive
than the local women. However, what they did not know is that I am very Swedish
in my sexual orientation and thus very open and playful when it comes to joking
about sex. Well, like you said, they simply can't deal with it, at least not
the average "proper" Brit. Once you get past the point of mild innuendos and
adolescent jokes regarding the human anatomy and its various functions, they
rapidly change the subject.
However, when I was in Ireland, I was accepted everywhere I went by both men
and women alike who not only appreciated my brand of humor but were able to
reciprocate it. I must confess that I love the earthiness of the Irish and
their irreverence for just about everything...LOLOL
Now, as you probably well know, the Irish are a very religious lot, but can you
believe it: they even poke fun at that as well! One night when I was in a pub
in Galway, a group there sang a song about "Plastic Jesus" (referring to the
plastic statues with magnetized bases that are often placed on the dashboards
of cars in that country). Well, I won't repeat the words to that song here, as
they might offend non-Irish religious people, but they were quite humorous
indeed and meant no offense to the Christ figure himself. (Aggie, do you know
the song I'm referring to? I would love to get ALL of the words to that song. )
>They never do that mistake again and they admit that they are much more
>conservative that we are.
They do indeed, Miros. Especially the ones who feign to be so upper crust.
>The funniest part of all though is when it is a
>company of women and men
>talking. While the Greek women speak freely about it the British go to hide
>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
How well I know that. When I first went to live in the village I mentioned, I
was told by the local postmistress to "come round" to the local, but to be SURE
to go to the saloon side, where all the PROPER people go. I asked her what was
on the other side and she told me that that was where the "you know... 'others'
go, the not so genteel folk". Well, after a couple of weeks of deadly boredom
on the "proper" side, I went round to the other side, which was peopled by
rowdy but delightful country folk, among them Irishmen, Geordies, and the like.
Now, on *that* side people knew how to have a good time.
>> > Anyway that expression was used by the English and
>> >never the Greeks.
>>
>> What expression, Miros? You mean: "Do it for England, my daughter" ? Of
>course,
>> that is a British expression. I couldn't imagine the Greeks saying such a
>thing
>> as that. Their motto would probably be: "Just do it!" ....LOLOL
>No it's something else and I find it disgusting to say it here.
Now, you really have me confused. Are you trying to say that that other
statement you wrote was a euphemism for the real expression? You can tell me in
private, if you prefer, as it won't offend me. I am just genuinely curious as
to what you are referring to.
[....]
>> >> >So you mean that the women who sleep with a man and do not enjoy it at
all
>> do
>> >> >not consider them as meat? But as what? Stallions?
>>
>> >> No, unfortunately, more as marriage prospects, meal tickets, or simply as
>> >doing
>> >> their wifely duty. Or, even worse, some regard them simply as animals and
>> not
>> >> in the complimentary sense of the term.
>> >Gee. Perhaps this is why some men say they will never understand how your
>> >minds work? :)
>> Mind you, Miros, I am talking about women in the West (more specifically, in
>> the US and GB), NOT in the East. I found women in the Middle East to be
>> absolutely delightful, especially Egyptian women. They had very healthy
>sexual
>> identities, a wonderful sense of humor, and were very comfortable with men.
>> Now, *those* women really know how to be seductive. And, what is even
better,
>> so do the men :-))))
>So my plans for a trip to Egypt will well worth it?
They certainly are, although it might help if you spoke a little Arabic or had
a good guide who does and can show you all the ropes ;-) Be sure to give me two
weeks notice though, so I have time to arrange everything....LOLOL
>> Let's face it, Miros, despite what many may think to the contrary, the
>> relationship between the sexes in the West has deteriorated not improved
over
>> the past couple of decades, what with all that women's lib and political
>> correctness. Why can't women comprehend that liberation does not mean that
one
>> has to go around kicking men in the balls and accusing them of harrassment
>> every time a guy gives in to his natural instincts and indulges in a little
>> flirtatious behavior. The whole thing has gotten out of hand in the West and
>> has made an originally problematic situation even worse.
>Of course it did. They did not go for the essence but just the surface.
>And still most of them consider it as a victory for God's shake.
>It's a main difference between the East vs West mentality I think.
Most definitely so. It's that good old Protestant ethic at work with all its
attendant guilts and sins. And I specifically state "protestant" because they
have far more problems than do Catholics when it comes to sexual matters and
guilt trips. In fact, the healthiest lot of all appears to be the GOs who have
somehow apparently managed to escape *most* of that nonsense.
>> >> >In any case I've never met anyone that used that to know if it helped
him or
>> >> >not and i have serious reasons to doubt. The men that think in that way
are
>> >> >stupid as far as I
>> >> >am concerned because they fail to understand that this is the last thing
that
>> >> >will attract a woman.
>> >> That is certainly right. In fact, if a man is too large it can be a
distinct
>> >> disadvantage. Like I said before: it's not what you've got, but what you
do
>> >> with it that counts. And the same thing goes for females.
>> >Oh yes :))) Are you referring to the "balconies" again?
>> >LOLOL
Not JUST the "balconies", Miros. We do have other assets as well, you know, and
not all of them are visible ;-))))
>> "balconies"? "again"? Miros! Surely, you are not referring to part of the
>> female anatomy! <LOL>
>Surely I do. Why not?
What a strange thing to call them! I have never heard them called that
before...LOL But, in that case, it means that most men are probably more
interested in the "cellar" ;-)
[....]
>> >> >> >It's the best natural replacement of Valioum. LOL
>> >>
>> >> >> You mean, Viagra, dear, don't you? ;-)))
>>
>> >> >No Valioum. Porno movies are instead of Viagra :))
>>
>> >> Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films have
the
>> >> exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used to
>> >> sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly after
>midnight.
>> >> They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no plot, very
little
>> >> real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO imagination <YAWN>
>> >for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I understand though
why
>> >women hate porno films while they have no problem with erotic ones.
>> Can you guys tell the difference, Miros? <G>
>Yes we can. You might be surprised to find out how many men do not like porno
>movies as much as they like erotic ones.
Not at all, Miros. I was introduced to the world of erotic films by a man who
found porno films to be very dull. Anyway, most of the men I deal with prefer
erotic films to porno ones. And I am not just referring to highbrow 'art' films
either. There are a number of Hollywood "entertainment" films that would also
qualify as erotic rather than porn, e.g., the film "Body Heat".
[remainder snipped]
Kritifile
"OpaTennant" <opate...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000217004744...@ng-da1.aol.com...
> Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in
message<38AA9C35...@stsnet.gr>
>
> >OpaTennant wrote:
> >> Miros Pimenakiswrote
> >> >OpaTennant wrote:
> >> >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
> >> >> >OpaTennant wrote
>
[snipped]
I just had to butt in here. This bit is irresistable. Sorry about
that Krissie.
>
> >Well that stiffness and propriety of the Brits I know very well.
I find it
> >always hilarious when they come here and they try to pretend they
are so open
> >on sex matters.
> >They start talking to us about sex and everything goes fine until
we start
> >going into details. Then you see all those Brits asking
desperately to end
> >the conversation with
> >the excuse that things go out of hand. LOLOLOL
>
This is the bit I couldn't resist. I know exactly what you mean. Me,
I find it interesting and natural to be curious. Well, I'd have had
problems talking to people if I was that stuck-up. But the reaction
of Brit tourists was hilarious. Of course there were the little
jokes like being locked in a toilet without a lock as well. Have to
make your own entertainment sometimes and I knew some real fun
folks.
> Don't I know it! When I first went to settle in one of the small
villages where
> I lived in England, the men at the local all came on strong to me
at first,
> because I was a foreigner and I guess they figured I would be more
receptive
> than the local women. However, what they did not know is that I am
very Swedish
> in my sexual orientation and thus very open and playful when it
comes to joking
> about sex. Well, like you said, they simply can't deal with it, at
least not
> the average "proper" Brit. Once you get past the point of mild
innuendos and
> adolescent jokes regarding the human anatomy and its various
functions, they
> rapidly change the subject.
>
Ever tried asking Brits how often they do it, who with, in what way,
were they trying for a baby, and so on, Krissie? I know you can't
see any Brits for dust then, is it the same in America?
> However, when I was in Ireland, I was accepted everywhere I went
by both men
> and women alike who not only appreciated my brand of humor but
were able to
> reciprocate it. I must confess that I love the earthiness of the
Irish and
> their irreverence for just about everything...LOLOL
>
> Now, as you probably well know, the Irish are a very religious
lot, but can you
> believe it: they even poke fun at that as well! One night when I
was in a pub
> in Galway, a group there sang a song about "Plastic Jesus"
(referring to the
> plastic statues with magnetized bases that are often placed on the
dashboards
> of cars in that country). Well, I won't repeat the words to that
song here, as
> they might offend non-Irish religious people, but they were quite
humorous
> indeed and meant no offense to the Christ figure himself. (Aggie,
do you know
> the song I'm referring to? I would love to get ALL of the words to
that song. )
>
Ever been to a real traditional Irish wake?
> >They never do that mistake again and they admit that they are
much more
> >conservative that we are.
>
> They do indeed, Miros. Especially the ones who feign to be so
upper crust.
>
> >The funniest part of all though is when it is a
> >company of women and men
> >talking. While the Greek women speak freely about it the British
go to hide
> >LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>
Not ALL British women, but I don't get on very well with them
anyway. Too stuffy and stuck up.
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OpaTennant
<88evvs$jqu$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>
>"Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
>news:38AA9B1B...@stsnet.gr...
>> Kritifile wrote:
>> > > OpaTennant wrote:
>> > > > Miros wrote>
>> > > > >OpaTennant wrote:
>> > > > >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital "statistics" ;-)
>> > > >
>> > > > >Did you ask me? :))
>> > > >
>> > > > No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them publicly,
>> > you can always
>> > > > e-mail them <LOL>
>> > >
>> > > I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit me :)))
>> > Aww....I'd like to know as well. Even swap? ;-)
>> Wait until you come here, lovely. LOL
>Patience is a virtue, they say. Hey, you aren't ever somewhere
>around the North-West?...no, couldn't be you, Miros......if it
>was...<slurp>....LOL
to sound like an echo chamber in here.
>> <snip>
>>>> Did you miss that honey ?
>> > Honey! Krissie is honey now, is she? Do you want to make me all
>> > upset, Miros?
distraught to remember?
>> Why honey?
>I don't know. Maybe it's a little plot of yours. Do you like honey
>and yoghourt all over.....no, I'll say no more.
and belongs in a different group...or in private.
>> <snip>
>> > > > >> Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
>> > > >
>> > > > >What is wrong with hope?
>> > > >
>> > > > Nothing at all, Miros. It often gets us what we want :-)
>> > >
>> > > Exactly. So have hope :))
>> > I've been hoping too. Not that it gets me anywhere. Krissie gets all
>> > the guys flocking round her, I don't.
case. Stop playing for sympathy; you're starting to sound like a bimbo.
[Most of the remainder of this message has been snipped due to similar
objections. Some passages have been retained for purpose of clarification]
>> > > > >> Miros, let's clarify terms here! First of all, I said *sexually*
aggressive.
>> > > > >> Women in the States are aggressive enough alright, but in the
>> > wrong way.
>> > > > >> They're more likely to be ballbreakers than seducers.
>> > > >
>> > > > >That's not what I've heard. Do you mean that all those Greeks lied
to me? :-o
>> > Miros, Americans may think that, but other nationalities don't. It
>> > seems that American women looove foreign guys.
>> That's what I've heard also.
>> > I think you're right, Miros. It must be hard for an American to
>> > judge American reactions. The tales I've heard about American women
>> > falling all over non-American guys. You wouldn't believe it (or
>> > maybe you would). Could this be Krissie trying to keep you away from
>> > all those nasty American women? American men have problems, they
>> > are not as popular as non-Americans. I've been told that
>American
>> > women think their men are wimps, so any man with a foreign accent,
>> > they are fascinated with.
>> I rest my case then. :))
>You're right, Miros. Everyone seems to know it except Americans. :)
First of all, although I may be an American citizen, I am NOT representative
of the average American, given my own ethnic mix and the fact that I have lived
abroad for much of my life and am thus able to see things from a dual
perceptive or, in simpler English, from both sides, NOT ONE;
Secondly, I am a social scientist who keeps up with studies on prevailing
social trends in this country, including sexual ones, so my observations are
NOT merely personal ones;
Third, my statements pertained to sexual mores and attitudes in GENERAL in the
US and to the nature of the relationship between AMERICAN males and females,
NOT between American women and foreigners! See my comments regarding the latter
in my reply to Miros. Moreover, the fact that many American women are
attracted to foreigners because they have so emasculated their own men and need
to find new prey does not imply that they treat their new victims any better;
and
Last, but most certainly NOT least, did it ever occur to you, Anna, that when I
initiated this thread, I just might have been attempting to interject from time
to time some serious lines of thought into our playful little discourse? If I
had wanted to engage in titillating talk only, I would have gone private or to
the appropriate sex group whatever that might be. If you're going to come in on
these kinds of games, then please try to distinguish the difference and to
maintain the level of dialogue at which the game was originally established,
not lower it. If you want to play at a lower level, then either go private or
to a more appropriate newsgroup. Or, at the very least, start a new thread in
which you can set your own tone and level of dialogue.
[....]
>> > > > Not for Krissie-kat. Erotic films are though. In fact, porno films
have the
>> > > > exact opposite effect on this kitty. When I lived in Hungary, I used
to
>> > > > sometimes watch the German "adult" flicks that came on telly
>> > after midnight.
>> > > > They were really silly and B-O-R-I-N-G! They had virtually no
>> > plot, very little
>> > > > real action, NO characterization and, above all, NO
>imagination<YAWN>
>> > Exactly. They are unimaginative and boring. How can anyone enjoy
>> > watching the same mechanical actions in various permutations, over
>> > and over. If you've seen one, you've seen them all. But a
>> > little bit of one as an appetizer maybe?
>> Now you get the point. LOL
>Ahh...so that's what you mean. Now that is totally different. LOLOL
Sounds just about as appetizing as your snails to me, but then some people like
snails and some don't.
>> > > for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I understand
>> > >though why women hate porno films while they have no problem
>with erotic ones.
>> > Too true. They are made for men as well. So most women can't
>> > identify with them.
But apparently you can, right, judging from your comment above?
>> You think that most women do not like erotic films either?
>Most women like erotic films if they can identify with them. Rather
>like the very popular 'romance' books, which are little more than
>soft porn for women.
Apparently you have no real conception of what an erotic film actually is.
Comparing them to a "paperback" romance book (the kind with a suggestive cover
and school-girl pseudo-sexual escapades inside, i.e., soft-core porn) read by
teenaged girls and bored British housewives would be considered a supreme
insult to most erotic film directors.
>Women tend to be more verbal than visual, which
>is maybe why books are so popular.
Speak for yourself, Anna. Although I like erotic literature (and I'm NOT
talking about those ridiculous paperback romance novels but REAL literature),
there is nothing that can quite surpass an outstanding erotic film...except for
the real thing, that is.
While it is true that women are generally more verbally inclined than men and
are thus more easily persuaded to "deliver" through the use of words, men also
get a real turn-on from verbal play as well, or hadn't you noticed? They're not
all dodos.
[Remainder of message snipped for the same reason as stated earlier]
Kritifile
> "Kritifile" law...@btinternet.com wrote in message
> <88evvs$jqu$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>
>
> >"Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
> >news:38AA9B1B...@stsnet.gr...
>
> >> Kritifile wrote:
> >> > "Miros Pimenakis" wrote
> >> > > OpaTennant wrote:
> >> > > > Miros wrote>
> >> > > > >OpaTennant wrote:
>
[snip]
> >Patience is a virtue, they say. Hey, you aren't ever somewhere
> >around the North-West?...no, couldn't be you, Miros......if it
> >was...<slurp>....LOL
>
> Try another line, Anna. That one has already been used. Besides,
it's starting
> to sound like an echo chamber in here.
>
You don't appreciate a joke?
> >> <snip>
>
> >>>> Did you miss that honey ?
>
> >> > Honey! Krissie is honey now, is she? Do you want to make me
all
> >> > upset, Miros?
>
> Don't get so discombobulated, Anna. He called you honey before,
or are you too
> distraught to remember?
>
I know that. I am not stupid, as you want to make out. Sounds as if
someone else is distraught here. So much so that they sound like
Ilinden.
> >> Why honey?
>
> >I don't know. Maybe it's a little plot of yours. Do you like
honey
> >and yoghourt all over.....no, I'll say no more.
>
> It seems that Miros was right. This whole conversation has gotten
out of hand
> and belongs in a different group...or in private.
>
That depends what you talk about, Krisztina, don't you think?
> >> <snip>
>
> >> > > > >> Hope springs eternal in the male's..... <G>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >What is wrong with hope?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Nothing at all, Miros. It often gets us what we want :-)
> >> > >
> >> > > Exactly. So have hope :))
>
> >> > I've been hoping too. Not that it gets me anywhere. Krissie
gets all
> >> > the guys flocking round her, I don't.
>
> Let's not exaggerate, Anna. And, besides, that simply doesn't
happen to be the
> case. Stop playing for sympathy; you're starting to sound like a
bimbo.
>
Of course it isn't the case. What's got up your tree?
> [Most of the remainder of this message has been snipped due to
similar
> objections. Some passages have been retained for purpose of
clarification]
>
Especially the serious ones. They do not portray me as Kristina is
trying to.
Do you think I see things only from one side? Oh, I see, you think
I'm talking about you, Krisztina. I'm not, just generalising. Of
course I'm the hick who has never set foot outside England, that is
what you are saying, right, Krisztina.
> Secondly, I am a social scientist who keeps up with studies on
prevailing
> social trends in this country, including sexual ones, so my
observations are
> NOT merely personal ones;
>
And I do not? You are very good at judging my knowledge on things we
have never talked about. I never base judgements on purely personal
experiences of social trends.
> Third, my statements pertained to sexual mores and attitudes in
GENERAL in the
> US and to the nature of the relationship between AMERICAN males
and females,
> NOT between American women and foreigners! See my comments
regarding the latter
> in my reply to Miros. Moreover, the fact that many American women
are
> attracted to foreigners because they have so emasculated their own
men and need
> to find new prey does not imply that they treat their new victims
any better;
> and
>
An American is in a better position to judge PERSONALLY the
relationships between American men and women. A foreigner to
personally judge relationships between Americans and non-Americans.
But the literature gives dtached observations on social trends in
ALL nationalities. You shouldn't take things so personally dearie.
> Last, but most certainly NOT least, did it ever occur to you,
Anna, that when I
> initiated this thread, I just might have been attempting to
interject from time
> to time some serious lines of thought into our playful little
discourse? If I
> had wanted to engage in titillating talk only, I would have gone
private or to
> the appropriate sex group whatever that might be. If you're going
to come in on
> these kinds of games, then please try to distinguish the
difference and to
> maintain the level of dialogue at which the game was originally
established,
> not lower it. If you want to play at a lower level, then either go
private or
> to a more appropriate newsgroup. Or, at the very least, start a
new thread in
> which you can set your own tone and level of dialogue.
>
It has obviously never occurred to you that I may wish to make
serious comments too. As you have more time online than I, you get
there first. NOT my fault! I play less games than you do Krisztina!
You are not playing at a very high level yourself.
Exactly.
> >> > > for most men porno films or erotic films do the job. I
understand
> >> > >though why women hate porno films while they have no
problem
> >with erotic ones.
>
> >> > Too true. They are made for men as well. So most women can't
> >> > identify with them.
>
> But apparently you can, right, judging from your comment above?
>
I cannot identify with them. A few minutes and they become ultimate
boredom. But I do not throw my hands up in horror and run away from
discussing the subject, unlike you.
> >> You think that most women do not like erotic films either?
>
> >Most women like erotic films if they can identify with them.
Rather
> >like the very popular 'romance' books, which are little more
than
> >soft porn for women.
>
> Apparently you have no real conception of what an erotic film
actually is.
> Comparing them to a "paperback" romance book (the kind with a
suggestive cover
> and school-girl pseudo-sexual escapades inside, i.e., soft-core
porn) read by
> teenaged girls and bored British housewives would be considered a
supreme
> insult to most erotic film directors.
>
You are describing something that I think is an insult to
intelligence. It is said that Britain and America are two countries
seperated by the same language. It is true. Some Americanisms are
too disgusting to be heard in decent company here, the same as
English expressions that are meaningless in that way here are
regarded in America. There are films like the ones I described. As I
said, they are soft porn. Nothing like artistic erotic films at all.
And those books are read by women of all ages, in all countries.
Mostly very unfulfilled women, I would think.
> >Women tend to be more verbal than visual, which
> >is maybe why books are so popular.
>
> Speak for yourself, Anna. Although I like erotic literature (and
I'm NOT
> talking about those ridiculous paperback romance novels but REAL
literature),
> there is nothing that can quite surpass an outstanding erotic
film...except for
> the real thing, that is.
>
So scientific evidence is my personal opinion, is it? Maybe you are
more like a man mentally, then. But I do not read those ridiculous
novels. I prefer real literature.
> While it is true that women are generally more verbally inclined
than men and
> are thus more easily persuaded to "deliver" through the use of
words, men also
> get a real turn-on from verbal play as well, or hadn't you
noticed? They're not
> all dodos.
>
> [Remainder of message snipped for the same reason as stated
earlier]
(Any evidence of Opa playing erotic games or Anna talking seriously)
Have your say, Krisztina, and I'll have mine, but be careful how you
judge me in public. Two can play that game. I do not understand why
my post made you mad, but now I'm hopping mad myself!!!
Aggie-Tom
OpaTennant wrote in message
<20000217004744...@ng-da1.aol.com>...
>
>Now, as you probably well know, the Irish are a very religious lot, but can
you
>believe it: they even poke fun at that as well! One night when I was in a
pub
>in Galway, a group there sang a song about "Plastic Jesus" (referring to
the
>plastic statues with magnetized bases that are often placed on the
dashboards
>of cars in that country). Well, I won't repeat the words to that song here,
as
>they might offend non-Irish religious people, but they were quite humorous
>indeed and meant no offense to the Christ figure himself. (Aggie, do you
know
>the song I'm referring to? I would love to get ALL of the words to that
song. )
No. I'll have to ask Des Chambers or someone else from then Irish Folk Show
in IFM to play it. That is it wont get the station take of air.
>
>Not at all, Miros. I was introduced to the world of erotic films by a man
who
>found porno films to be very dull. Anyway, most of the men I deal with
prefer
>erotic films to porno ones. And I am not just referring to highbrow 'art'
films
I do not believe for one moment that any of these people who like erotic
films have ever seen a REAL adult movie in their lives. Playboy TV as I
said before cums nowhere near.
>either. There are a number of Hollywood "entertainment" films that would
also
>qualify as erotic rather than porn, e.g., the film "Body Heat".
You wouldn't get many subscribers to your Adult channel if all you showed
were films like Body Heat. People want to get straight to the action. They
dont want plot and sub plot to get in the way.
The closest a Hollywood type movie has got to a real Adult film is the
background scenes in the full edit of "Caligula".
Kritifile
>
>
> Kritifile wrote:
> >
> > "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
> > news:38AA9B1B...@stsnet.gr...
> > >
> > >
> > > Kritifile wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Miros Pimenakis" <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
> > > > news:38A8A353...@stsnet.gr...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OpaTennant wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Miros Pimenakis mi...@stsnet.gr wrote in message
> > > > <38A6BB45...@stsnet.gr>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >OpaTennant wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Miros Pimenakis wrote
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sticking my nose in here. I'm being neglected. :((((((
> > >
> > > Poor baby. I will punish myself dearly for that. LOLOL
> > >
> >
> > How will you punish yourself? If you don't ignore me I can think
of
> > a suitable tasty punishment for you. :-P
>
two days ago.
> Jealous?
> LOL
>
Won't be that long until I'm eating them.
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > >> >Can you imagine one of them with me or Aggie :)))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hmmm...you never did tell us *your* vital
"statistics"
> > ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Did you ask me? :))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, but I am now :-)) If you are too shy to post them
> > publicly,
> > > > you can always
> > > > > > e-mail them <LOL>
> > > > >
> > > > > I think I will keep them a secret until you come and visit
me
> > :)))
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Aww....I'd like to know as well. Even swap? ;-)
> > >
> > > Wait until you come here, lovely. LOL
> > >
> >
> > Patience is a virtue, they say. Hey, you aren't ever somewhere
> > around the North-West?...no, couldn't be you, Miros......if it
> > was...<slurp>....LOL
>
> Anna this is not so nice you know. Someone else used that before
you.
> If you are trying to get my attention, well that turned me off.
> I think this thread is too boring now for me.
>
This thread has lost all interest for me. It now has a totally
different theme, as far as I'm concerned.
> Let's better move on a more interesting subject than this.
> Consider me off this thread from now on.
> It was fun as it lasted but now but this is too much for me.
Me too, I am already out of it as far as the original subject is
concerned. This was a fun thread, it is now a flame thread.
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <88kg06$eio$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>...
>From: "Kritifile" <law...@btinternet.com>
>Subject: Re: The Battle of the Sexes Continues ;-) [Was: For
>Krissie-kat]
>Date: 18 February 2000 19:46
>It is a complex issue, too complex to go into in the time I have for
>posting. It is also irrelavent to the group, unless you are talking
>only of Greek erotic films. As for the difference between soft porn
Here let me make it relavent.
>and eroticism, everyone has a different opinion on where one begins
>and the other ends. In the same way that one person sees a dirty
I say you both watch the uncut, extended version of "Caligula" and tell me
what is what.
As far as I and most male punters are concerned it's a waste of time
watching the bits in between the sex scenes so why bother including them in
the first place.
If it shows male or female sex organs (including breasts) in a non
scientific manner then its porn plain and simple. So called erotic movies
are nothing by soft-porn and no amount of trying to disguise that by using a
different name will change the fact.
It people say the like erotic movies but condemn porn then they are
Hypocrites.
I my book there is nothing wrong with porn just as long as it is between
adult human beings.
>unmade bed in a gallery as art, another sees it as a cheap mess.
>Because the pundits call the unmade bed art does not mean that I
>think it is. The same for films. Some are called art that I see as
>an excuse for soft porn. Others are genuine art. I judge for myself,
Both are soft porn and it makes no difference if you call them art.
>not by what reviews tell me. Unfortunately that means I come across
>what I think of as rubbish at times
The reviewers are all a bunch of wankers. The only good judge of movie is
the paying public.
>As someone who has always had more male than female friends I think
>I can appreciate where men are coming from. But, although,
>especially in America, feminism has gone too far, how much is a
>reaction to the opposite? Women have been enslaved by men for most
>of history. I hate the emasculation of men, but surely it is women
>who get exploited.
RUBBISH.
For most of History it has been the OTHER way round.
Patriarchal Societies in Europe have only existed for 4,000 years.
Matriarchies existed for 100,000 years prior. So men have a lot of catching
up to do.
The time of emancipation came about when man said, "If I can't have the
women of my village, I will take those of my neighbour."
Kritifile
>
> Kritifile wrote in message <88kg06$eio$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>...
> >From: "Kritifile" <law...@btinternet.com>
> >Subject: Re: The Battle of the Sexes Continues ;-) [Was: For
> >Krissie-kat]
> >Date: 18 February 2000 19:46
>
> >It is a complex issue, too complex to go into in the time I have for
> >posting. It is also irrelavent to the group, unless you are talking
> >only of Greek erotic films. As for the difference between soft porn
>
> Here let me make it relavent.
>
> http://clbs9.majorhost.com
>
> >and eroticism, everyone has a different opinion on where one begins
> >and the other ends. In the same way that one person sees a dirty
>
> I say you both watch the uncut, extended version of "Caligula" and tell me
> what is what.
>
Where do I get hold of it? I didn't know there was an
extended version.
> As far as I and most male punters are concerned it's a waste of time
> watching the bits in between the sex scenes so why bother including them in
> the first place.
>
> If it shows male or female sex organs (including breasts) in a non
> scientific manner then its porn plain and simple. So called erotic movies
> are nothing by soft-porn and no amount of trying to disguise that by using a
> different name will change the fact.
>
There are different types of porn, and what is regarded as
porn changes. Lady Chatterley's Lover was a book that was
banned as pornagraphic, now it is a literary masterpiece.
Different times, different cultures, different ideas.
> It people say the like erotic movies but condemn porn then they are
> Hypocrites.
>
There are some types of porn that I certainly wouldn't be in
the slightest interested in, most of that I've come across
in fact, but I don't condemn it. I'm sure it serves an
important function for some guys. If there isn't a good
story I find it boring. I'm not into close-ups of all those
bits. Seen one, you've seen them all, one could say. On the
subject of which, did you see 'Private Parts' on TV, Aggie?
> I my book there is nothing wrong with porn just as long as it is between
> adult human beings.
>
I see nothing wrong with anything that harms nobody and
gives pleasure to those that enjoy it. It's not being forced
on anyone.
> >unmade bed in a gallery as art, another sees it as a cheap mess.
> >Because the pundits call the unmade bed art does not mean that I
> >think it is. The same for films. Some are called art that I see as
> >an excuse for soft porn. Others are genuine art. I judge for myself,
>
> Both are soft porn and it makes no difference if you call them art.
>
What turns soft porn into art is the artist. The subject is
the same, it's just presented in a better way. Or a more
intellectual way, if you wish.
> >not by what reviews tell me. Unfortunately that means I come across
> >what I think of as rubbish at times
>
> The reviewers are all a bunch of wankers. The only good judge of movie is
> the paying public.
>
Most of the movies I enjoy get bad reviews. The critics
don't like the same ones very often, and movies are
certainly a matter of taste.
> >As someone who has always had more male than female friends I think
> >I can appreciate where men are coming from. But, although,
> >especially in America, feminism has gone too far, how much is a
> >reaction to the opposite? Women have been enslaved by men for most
> >of history. I hate the emasculation of men, but surely it is women
> >who get exploited.
>
> RUBBISH.
>
> For most of History it has been the OTHER way round.
>
For most of CIVILISED history, will you agree with that,
Aggie? Although I expect matriarchies were better, there is
very little evidence of them. Modern civilisation sprang
from patriarchal roots.
> Patriarchal Societies in Europe have only existed for 4,000 years.
>
> Matriarchies existed for 100,000 years prior. So men have a lot of catching
> up to do.
>
Men were probably much freer in the ancient matriarchies
than women in a patriarchy. As men are physically stronger
than women, there must have been good reasons for men to
accept being ruled by women.
> The time of emancipation came about when man said, "If I can't have the
> women of my village, I will take those of my neighbour."
That wasn't emancipation, that was slavery.
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <38B2E5C3...@btinternet.com>...
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> Kritifile wrote in message <88kg06$eio$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>...
>> >From: "Kritifile" <law...@btinternet.com>
>> >Subject: Re: The Battle of the Sexes Continues ;-) [Was: For
>> >Krissie-kat]
>> >Date: 18 February 2000 19:46
>>
>> >It is a complex issue, too complex to go into in the time I have for
>> >posting. It is also irrelavent to the group, unless you are talking
>> >only of Greek erotic films. As for the difference between soft porn
>>
>> Here let me make it relavent.
>>
>> http://clbs9.majorhost.com
>>
>> >and eroticism, everyone has a different opinion on where one begins
>> >and the other ends. In the same way that one person sees a dirty
>>
>> I say you both watch the uncut, extended version of "Caligula" and tell
me
>> what is what.
>>
>
>Where do I get hold of it? I didn't know there was an
>extended version.
There are actually lots of different extended versions and cut versions. The
famous name Actors tried to sue the producers for adding in extra sex scenes
after the film was supposedly finished, but failed.
CH4 recently showed a middle of the road version version, but the extended
version should be available from any good adult video retailer.
>
>> As far as I and most male punters are concerned it's a waste of time
>> watching the bits in between the sex scenes so why bother including them
in
>> the first place.
>>
>> If it shows male or female sex organs (including breasts) in a non
>> scientific manner then its porn plain and simple. So called erotic movies
>> are nothing by soft-porn and no amount of trying to disguise that by
using a
>> different name will change the fact.
>>
>
>There are different types of porn, and what is regarded as
>porn changes. Lady Chatterley's Lover was a book that was
>banned as pornagraphic, now it is a literary masterpiece.
>Different times, different cultures, different ideas.
Theyre all porn.
Calling something a masterpiece is just way to get PORN accepted into
eveyday sociaty. If you accept one piece of porn then you must accept all
other since the is no fundamental difference in its nature. Its a matter of
taste if you prefer one brand of an other.
>
>> It people say the like erotic movies but condemn porn then they are
>> Hypocrites.
>>
>
>There are some types of porn that I certainly wouldn't be in
>the slightest interested in, most of that I've come across
>in fact, but I don't condemn it. I'm sure it serves an
>important function for some guys. If there isn't a good
>story I find it boring. I'm not into close-ups of all those
>bits. Seen one, you've seen them all, one could say. On the
Neither am I. Why do they bother showing blow job's, they dont turn me on so
they must be there for the women viewers. But if like you say, women are not
turned on by the them why do they have to be included.
Infact why cant they just show lesbians. I dont want to seem men dicks all
the time. An nice looking pair of lesbians masturbating each other works
very nicely.
>subject of which, did you see 'Private Parts' on TV, Aggie?
Missed it. Was that the CH4 documentary on the Penis and the Clitoris.
>> I my book there is nothing wrong with porn just as long as it is between
>> adult human beings.
>>
>
>I see nothing wrong with anything that harms nobody and
>gives pleasure to those that enjoy it. It's not being forced
>on anyone.
And if you dont like it you can always change channel.
>> >unmade bed in a gallery as art, another sees it as a cheap mess.
>> >Because the pundits call the unmade bed art does not mean that I
>> >think it is. The same for films. Some are called art that I see as
>> >an excuse for soft porn. Others are genuine art. I judge for myself,
>>
>> Both are soft porn and it makes no difference if you call them art.
>>
>
>What turns soft porn into art is the artist. The subject is
>the same, it's just presented in a better way. Or a more
>intellectual way, if you wish.
Its all a matter of perspective. What is vulgar to one person is art to
another. Its is not the artist but the person who is looking at it. Beauty
is in the eye of the beholder and all that.
>> >not by what reviews tell me. Unfortunately that means I come across
>> >what I think of as rubbish at times
>>
>> The reviewers are all a bunch of wankers. The only good judge of movie is
>> the paying public.
>>
>
>Most of the movies I enjoy get bad reviews. The critics
>don't like the same ones very often, and movies are
>certainly a matter of taste.
Look at last Christmases Radio Times and compare it to two years earlier.
Last year they gave Superman, 5 stars, the last time it was on it only got
2.
>> >As someone who has always had more male than female friends I think
>> >I can appreciate where men are coming from. But, although,
>> >especially in America, feminism has gone too far, how much is a
>> >reaction to the opposite? Women have been enslaved by men for most
>> >of history. I hate the emasculation of men, but surely it is women
>> >who get exploited.
>>
>> RUBBISH.
>>
>> For most of History it has been the OTHER way round.
>>
>
>For most of CIVILISED history, will you agree with that,
>Aggie? Although I expect matriarchies were better, there is
>very little evidence of them. Modern civilisation sprang
>from patriarchal roots.
Ah yes. Civilisation.
Civilisation did not begin until the Matriarchies were OVERTHROWN. They
where a hindrance to the development of a civilised society but ther very
nature.
Matrichies were utterly BARBARIC and advocated the monthly sacrifice of the
Kind who was later replaced by a Child who was either thrown of a cliff top,
burned alive or thrown into a snake pit.
>> Patriarchal Societies in Europe have only existed for 4,000 years.
>>
>> Matriarchies existed for 100,000 years prior. So men have a lot of
catching
>> up to do.
>>
>
>Men were probably much freer in the ancient matriarchies
>than women in a patriarchy. As men are physically stronger
RUBBISH. That is not true. Since when did Patriarchies sacrifice women.
>than women, there must have been good reasons for men to
>accept being ruled by women.
Ignorance of the conjugal rights.
>> The time of emancipation came about when man said, "If I can't have the
>> women of my village, I will take those of my neighbour."
>
>That wasn't emancipation, that was slavery.
After man rebelled against the Matriarchy his slavery came to an end.
BTW did you see that BBC2 documentary on "ape men". Looks promising so far.
Kritifile
Is it worth watching. That is, is it more than genitalia in
the extended version?
> >
> >> As far as I and most male punters are concerned it's a waste of time
> >> watching the bits in between the sex scenes so why bother including them
> in
> >> the first place.
> >>
> >> If it shows male or female sex organs (including breasts) in a non
> >> scientific manner then its porn plain and simple. So called erotic movies
> >> are nothing by soft-porn and no amount of trying to disguise that by
> using a
> >> different name will change the fact.
> >>
> >
> >There are different types of porn, and what is regarded as
> >porn changes. Lady Chatterley's Lover was a book that was
> >banned as pornagraphic, now it is a literary masterpiece.
> >Different times, different cultures, different ideas.
>
> Theyre all porn.
>
To a greater or lesser extent. But any work that does not
have some sexual content is not a true reflection of life.
> Calling something a masterpiece is just way to get PORN accepted into
> eveyday sociaty. If you accept one piece of porn then you must accept all
> other since the is no fundamental difference in its nature. Its a matter of
> taste if you prefer one brand of an other.
>
To some extent I agree. But I do see a difference in porn
that is merely showing close-ups of things I don't want to
see close-ups of and something that has a story requiring
that as an expression of part of the story.
> >
> >> It people say the like erotic movies but condemn porn then they are
> >> Hypocrites.
> >>
> >
> >There are some types of porn that I certainly wouldn't be in
> >the slightest interested in, most of that I've come across
> >in fact, but I don't condemn it. I'm sure it serves an
> >important function for some guys. If there isn't a good
> >story I find it boring. I'm not into close-ups of all those
> >bits. Seen one, you've seen them all, one could say. On the
>
> Neither am I. Why do they bother showing blow job's, they dont turn me on so
> they must be there for the women viewers. But if like you say, women are not
> turned on by the them why do they have to be included.
>
I'm sure that those are for men. I don't think that most
women would be turned on by them, especially in hard-core
porn.
> Infact why cant they just show lesbians. I dont want to seem men dicks all
> the time. An nice looking pair of lesbians masturbating each other works
> very nicely.
>
As for lesbians, what is it with guys having this
voyeuristic fantasy about lesbians? After all, lesbians
would not be intersted in men, so you could call that
'flogging a dead horse'. Why should women be interested in
pictures of strange men's dicks? How many people think they
are beautiful? Probably they are shown to help men associate
with the movie.
> >subject of which, did you see 'Private Parts' on TV, Aggie?
>
> Missed it. Was that the CH4 documentary on the Penis and the Clitoris.
>
It was. One part was about an artist who made mouldings of
women's bits. Even showed him doing it. How could anyone
want to decorate their home with that? The rest of the
series was more interesting, some fascinating stuff about
recent discoveries and the psychology that causes problems,
the changes in attitudes, different cultures....even one
program devoted to size. Why are so many men obsessed with
that? I can understand the theory of the psychology, but it
doesn't make sense in practise.
> >> I my book there is nothing wrong with porn just as long as it is between
> >> adult human beings.
> >>
> >
> >I see nothing wrong with anything that harms nobody and
> >gives pleasure to those that enjoy it. It's not being forced
> >on anyone.
>
> And if you dont like it you can always change channel.
>
Of course. I've always thought that the "no sex on TV or
movies" groups watch all that stuff because they enjoy it
and they have an excuse that makes them lose the guilt
they'd experience if they didn't think they were doing a
public service.
> >> >unmade bed in a gallery as art, another sees it as a cheap mess.
> >> >Because the pundits call the unmade bed art does not mean that I
> >> >think it is. The same for films. Some are called art that I see as
> >> >an excuse for soft porn. Others are genuine art. I judge for myself,
> >>
> >> Both are soft porn and it makes no difference if you call them art.
> >>
> >
> >What turns soft porn into art is the artist. The subject is
> >the same, it's just presented in a better way. Or a more
> >intellectual way, if you wish.
>
> Its all a matter of perspective. What is vulgar to one person is art to
> another. Its is not the artist but the person who is looking at it. Beauty
> is in the eye of the beholder and all that.
>
Of course. Some art is ugly, at least for me. But there are
people who will praise art they don't like or don't
understand because it has the label "art".
> >> >not by what reviews tell me. Unfortunately that means I come across
> >> >what I think of as rubbish at times
> >>
> >> The reviewers are all a bunch of wankers. The only good judge of movie is
> >> the paying public.
> >>
> >
> >Most of the movies I enjoy get bad reviews. The critics
> >don't like the same ones very often, and movies are
> >certainly a matter of taste.
>
> Look at last Christmases Radio Times and compare it to two years earlier.
> Last year they gave Superman, 5 stars, the last time it was on it only got
> 2.
>
I never thought it rated more than two stars. The second
reviewer maybe gave it two stars because the effects are
dated.
> >> >As someone who has always had more male than female friends I think
> >> >I can appreciate where men are coming from. But, although,
> >> >especially in America, feminism has gone too far, how much is a
> >> >reaction to the opposite? Women have been enslaved by men for most
> >> >of history. I hate the emasculation of men, but surely it is women
> >> >who get exploited.
> >>
> >> RUBBISH.
> >>
> >> For most of History it has been the OTHER way round.
> >>
> >
> >For most of CIVILISED history, will you agree with that,
> >Aggie? Although I expect matriarchies were better, there is
> >very little evidence of them. Modern civilisation sprang
> >from patriarchal roots.
>
> Ah yes. Civilisation.
>
> Civilisation did not begin until the Matriarchies were OVERTHROWN. They
> where a hindrance to the development of a civilised society but ther very
> nature.
>
I believe that there is evidence that the Minoan
civilisation was matriarchal, or at least not patriarchal.
Most civilisations from a time when matriarchies were common
are so ancient nobody can really know how they were
governed. The writing that has survived is unknown.
> Matrichies were utterly BARBARIC and advocated the monthly sacrifice of the
> Kind who was later replaced by a Child who was either thrown of a cliff top,
> burned alive or thrown into a snake pit.
>
That was patriarchies. Druids, Aztecs, the Old Testament
mentions human sacrifice and you can't get more patriarchal
than that. The list is endless.
> >> Patriarchal Societies in Europe have only existed for 4,000 years.
> >>
> >> Matriarchies existed for 100,000 years prior. So men have a lot of
> catching
> >> up to do.
> >>
> >
> >Men were probably much freer in the ancient matriarchies
> >than women in a patriarchy. As men are physically stronger
>
> RUBBISH. That is not true. Since when did Patriarchies sacrifice women.
>
Probably since they began. But they sacrificed men and
children as well, so I suppose you could say that there was
an equal opportunity in that respect. Women are much more
likely to be blamed for anything going wrong in a
patriarchy. If men have power over women it's much more
comfortable for them to blame women rather than themselves.
> >than women, there must have been good reasons for men to
> >accept being ruled by women.
>
> Ignorance of the conjugal rights.
>
What rights? If there are any, then surely they are the
rights of women as much as men. Conjugal rights is another
name for rape. Maybe that's why women who aren't 'in the
mood' plead illness (the headache?) rather than being
honest. How would you feel if a woman forced herself on you
when you were totally exhausted and only wanted to go to
sleep. Of course congugal rights should never have existed.
If a couple can't be bothered to get each other interested,
then they shouldn't bother with anything.
> >> The time of emancipation came about when man said, "If I can't have the
> >> women of my village, I will take those of my neighbour."
> >
> >That wasn't emancipation, that was slavery.
>
> After man rebelled against the Matriarchy his slavery came to an end.
>
For a man it is better for a woman to be a slave than for a
man to be. For a woman the opposite. But surely it is
preferable for there to be no slaves.
> BTW did you see that BBC2 documentary on "ape men". Looks promising so far.
I did. It looks very promising. Did you see the 'military
blunders' that started tonight on channel four? From the
crusaders to Kosovo. I taped it and it should be very
interesting. Constantinople to Kosovo...I wonder if they'll
tell the truth?
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <38B5A660...@btinternet.com>...
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> Kritifile wrote in message <38B2E5C3...@btinternet.com>...
>> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> CH4 recently showed a middle of the road version version, but the
extended
>> version should be available from any good adult video retailer.
>>
>
>Is it worth watching. That is, is it more than genitalia in
>the extended version?
Not as good as Ben Hur, or Spartecus. "Do you prefer Snails or Oysters."
>
>To some extent I agree. But I do see a difference in porn
>that is merely showing close-ups of things I don't want to
>see close-ups of and something that has a story requiring
>that as an expression of part of the story.
So why write a story that requires that.
Star Wars, Indiana Jones, ET, and Jurassic Park did not require it. Even the
James Bond films didn't go as far as showing close ups.
Film that require that are clearly Porn, and if one kind of porn is OK then
so is every other.
>> Neither am I. Why do they bother showing blow job's, they dont turn me on
so
>> they must be there for the women viewers. But if like you say, women are
not
>> turned on by the them why do they have to be included.
>>
>
>I'm sure that those are for men. I don't think that most
NOPE ! The certainly dont turn me on. Its a total Turn-off of so they get
ffwd.
>women would be turned on by them, especially in hard-core
>porn.
>> Infact why cant they just show lesbians. I dont want to seem men dicks
all
>> the time. An nice looking pair of lesbians masturbating each other works
>> very nicely.
>>
>
>As for lesbians, what is it with guys having this
>voyeuristic fantasy about lesbians? After all, lesbians
>would not be intersted in men, so you could call that
Wrong. These are Bi-Sexual Lesbians. ALL women fancy women, its a fact of
nature, so they are all bi-sexual.
>'flogging a dead horse'. Why should women be interested in
>pictures of strange men's dicks? How many people think they
>are beautiful? Probably they are shown to help men associate
>with the movie.
Not me.
>
>> >subject of which, did you see 'Private Parts' on TV, Aggie?
>>
>> Missed it. Was that the CH4 documentary on the Penis and the Clitoris.
>>
>
>It was. One part was about an artist who made mouldings of
>women's bits. Even showed him doing it. How could anyone
>want to decorate their home with that? The rest of the
What about the bird that made mouldings of mens dicks. I missed it so I am
only quoting what I've heard.
>series was more interesting, some fascinating stuff about
>recent discoveries and the psychology that causes problems,
>the changes in attitudes, different cultures....even one
>program devoted to size. Why are so many men obsessed with
>that? I can understand the theory of the psychology, but it
>doesn't make sense in practise.
It WOMEN that are obsess. If women werent so obsessed the men wouldnt be.
Why are women so obsessed with breast size.
>> And if you dont like it you can always change channel.
>>
>
>Of course. I've always thought that the "no sex on TV or
>movies" groups watch all that stuff because they enjoy it
>and they have an excuse that makes them lose the guilt
>they'd experience if they didn't think they were doing a
>public service.
I wonder what Mary Whitehorse got up to afterwards. Was she married ?
>> Civilisation did not begin until the Matriarchies were OVERTHROWN. They
>> where a hindrance to the development of a civilised society but ther very
>> nature.
>>
>
>I believe that there is evidence that the Minoan
>civilisation was matriarchal, or at least not patriarchal.
>Most civilisations from a time when matriarchies were common
>are so ancient nobody can really know how they were
>governed. The writing that has survived is unknown.
The writing and potter depicts ritual sacrifice so they were Matriarchies.
Infact the were transitional between Matriarchies and Patriarchies.
It was only when the Olympian god came with the Hellenes, deposed the Titans
that Patriarchies became dominant.
>> Matrichies were utterly BARBARIC and advocated the monthly sacrifice of
the
>> Kind who was later replaced by a Child who was either thrown of a cliff
top,
>> burned alive or thrown into a snake pit.
>>
>
>That was patriarchies. Druids, Aztecs, the Old Testament
>mentions human sacrifice and you can't get more patriarchal
>than that. The list is endless.
NO IT WASN'T.
They were MATRIARCHIES which all based their religion on the Moon goddess,
who matches the female menstrual cycle, and therefore after every lunation
the sacred King was bloodyly sacrificed.
Druids were Tree worshipers and therefore worshipers of the Earth Goddess.
The OT is ALL matriarchal (Elohim used for God is feminine plural) until the
establishment of the priest hood after Moses.
Read my "The Pagans of the Jehovah" essay (about a year old now)
>> >> Patriarchal Societies in Europe have only existed for 4,000 years.
>> >>
>> >> Matriarchies existed for 100,000 years prior. So men have a lot of
>> catching
>> >> up to do.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Men were probably much freer in the ancient matriarchies
>> >than women in a patriarchy. As men are physically stronger
>>
>> RUBBISH. That is not true. Since when did Patriarchies sacrifice women.
>>
>
>Probably since they began. But they sacrificed men and
What the hell are you talking about. Patriarchies DID NOT by their nature
use the sacrifice of people. They used Animals or offal. That is way they
came to power because of the Barbaric beliefs of the Matriarchy.
>children as well, so I suppose you could say that there was
It was ONLY MATRIARCHIES that sacrificed Men, and Children.
The men were the Sacred Kings and the boys were their Tannists, who later
took the sacred kings place in the sacrifice.
>an equal opportunity in that respect. Women are much more
>likely to be blamed for anything going wrong in a
>patriarchy. If men have power over women it's much more
>comfortable for them to blame women rather than themselves.
Youre talking complete crap.
>> >than women, there must have been good reasons for men to
>> >accept being ruled by women.
>>
>> Ignorance of the conjugal rights.
>>
>
>What rights? If there are any, then surely they are the
>rights of women as much as men. Conjugal rights is another
>name for rape. Maybe that's why women who aren't 'in the
>mood' plead illness (the headache?) rather than being
>honest. How would you feel if a woman forced herself on you
>when you were totally exhausted and only wanted to go to
Do you hear Cat's, Dog's, Rabbits, Horses, Birds, or even Fish complain
about being violated.
>sleep. Of course congugal rights should never have existed.
>If a couple can't be bothered to get each other interested,
>then they shouldn't bother with anything.
It was a mans right to procreate, and the dominant male (King) had the right
to each and every woman in the village, even in a Matriarchy.
>> >> The time of emancipation came about when man said, "If I can't have
the
>> >> women of my village, I will take those of my neighbour."
>> >
>> >That wasn't emancipation, that was slavery.
>>
>> After man rebelled against the Matriarchy his slavery came to an end.
>>
>
>For a man it is better for a woman to be a slave than for a
>man to be. For a woman the opposite. But surely it is
>preferable for there to be no slaves.
So stop complaining you have headaches then. Men do not want to be dominated
by women again and they will not release women until they can be trusted to
behave in a civilised way.
>> BTW did you see that BBC2 documentary on "ape men". Looks promising so
far.
>
>I did. It looks very promising. Did you see the 'military
>blunders' that started tonight on channel four? From the
Missed it. Why cant they tell me when anything is on.
Is it repeated.
>crusaders to Kosovo. I taped it and it should be very
>interesting. Constantinople to Kosovo...I wonder if they'll
>tell the truth?
Who knows.
What time is it on next.
Kritifile
>
> Kritifile wrote in message <38B5A660...@btinternet.com>...
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> Kritifile wrote in message <38B2E5C3...@btinternet.com>...
> >> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> >>
> >> CH4 recently showed a middle of the road version version, but the
> extended
> >> version should be available from any good adult video retailer.
> >>
> >
> >Is it worth watching. That is, is it more than genitalia in
> >the extended version?
>
> Not as good as Ben Hur, or Spartecus. "Do you prefer Snails or Oysters."
>
I prefer Sparticus to Ben Hur. Does that give you any hints?
> >
> >To some extent I agree. But I do see a difference in porn
> >that is merely showing close-ups of things I don't want to
> >see close-ups of and something that has a story requiring
> >that as an expression of part of the story.
>
> So why write a story that requires that.
>
> Star Wars, Indiana Jones, ET, and Jurassic Park did not require it. Even the
> James Bond films didn't go as far as showing close ups.
>
Surely that depends on the context of the story and what it
shows. None of the films you mention have a story that
requires even a couple holding hands, and for ET it sounds
positively perverted! Women in James Bond films are usually
there to give a sex interest (or romantic interest, if you'd
rather call it that). The films would not be changed by
leaving everything out. They are pure adventure fantasies
and have no need to reflect real life.
> Film that require that are clearly Porn, and if one kind of porn is OK then
> so is every other.
>
> >> Neither am I. Why do they bother showing blow job's, they dont turn me on
> so
> >> they must be there for the women viewers. But if like you say, women are
> not
> >> turned on by the them why do they have to be included.
> >>
> >
> >I'm sure that those are for men. I don't think that most
>
> NOPE ! The certainly dont turn me on. Its a total Turn-off of so they get
> ffwd.
I wonder if most guys would agree with that. I think they
wouldn't.
>
> >women would be turned on by them, especially in hard-core
> >porn.
> >> Infact why cant they just show lesbians. I dont want to seem men dicks
> all
> >> the time. An nice looking pair of lesbians masturbating each other works
> >> very nicely.
> >>
> >
> >As for lesbians, what is it with guys having this
> >voyeuristic fantasy about lesbians? After all, lesbians
> >would not be intersted in men, so you could call that
>
> Wrong. These are Bi-Sexual Lesbians. ALL women fancy women, its a fact of
> nature, so they are all bi-sexual.
>
ALL women fancy women? In the same way that ALL men fancy
men, is it? Come on Aggie, you can't make a sweeping
statement like that. Statistics show that one in ten men are
homosexual. For women it is about the same. Some homosexuals
are interested in the opposite sex as well. Or do you
subscribe to the theory that EVERYBODY is bisexual to a
greater or lesser extent?
> >'flogging a dead horse'. Why should women be interested in
> >pictures of strange men's dicks? How many people think they
> >are beautiful? Probably they are shown to help men associate
> >with the movie.
>
> Not me.
>
That's the only reason I can think of. Don't forget that
almost all porn movies are made by men for men. I guess men
must know what men will pay to watch.
> >
> >> >subject of which, did you see 'Private Parts' on TV, Aggie?
> >>
> >> Missed it. Was that the CH4 documentary on the Penis and the Clitoris.
> >>
> >
> >It was. One part was about an artist who made mouldings of
> >women's bits. Even showed him doing it. How could anyone
> >want to decorate their home with that? The rest of the
>
> What about the bird that made mouldings of mens dicks. I missed it so I am
> only quoting what I've heard.
I didn't see one that was anything like that. But if you
took the moulds the man made of women and looked at that,
you could pretend maybe. A sort of negative 3D image of
everything?
>
> >series was more interesting, some fascinating stuff about
> >recent discoveries and the psychology that causes problems,
> >the changes in attitudes, different cultures....even one
> >program devoted to size. Why are so many men obsessed with
> >that? I can understand the theory of the psychology, but it
> >doesn't make sense in practise.
>
> It WOMEN that are obsess. If women werent so obsessed the men wouldnt be.
That's the first time I've heard that. If women are
obsessed, why is it women that say that it is quality, not
quantity that matters.
>
> Why are women so obsessed with breast size.
Because men look at them first? A woman with big breasts
walks past and all male eyes are fixed on them. It doesn't
matter what she looks like, the men don't see her face. Also
advertising, magazines, movies, pop stars.
>
> >> And if you dont like it you can always change channel.
> >>
> >
> >Of course. I've always thought that the "no sex on TV or
> >movies" groups watch all that stuff because they enjoy it
> >and they have an excuse that makes them lose the guilt
> >they'd experience if they didn't think they were doing a
> >public service.
>
> I wonder what Mary Whitehorse got up to afterwards. Was she married ?
Me too. She was but I don't know if she still is.
>
> >> Civilisation did not begin until the Matriarchies were OVERTHROWN. They
> >> where a hindrance to the development of a civilised society but ther very
> >> nature.
> >>
> >
> >I believe that there is evidence that the Minoan
> >civilisation was matriarchal, or at least not patriarchal.
> >Most civilisations from a time when matriarchies were common
> >are so ancient nobody can really know how they were
> >governed. The writing that has survived is unknown.
>
> The writing and potter depicts ritual sacrifice so they were Matriarchies.
Has Linear A been deciphered? A goddess seems to have been
important, as a lot of female statuettes have been found,
but we know little about the society before writing using
Linear B, which was deciphered because there was a "rossetta
stone" found. With all civilisations that we can't read the
writing of, we can only go by what was left behind, and the
way we interpret it. If human sacrifice was practised in any
society the children and young women were preferred as they
were innocent. Apart from the annual male sacrifice of the
god-king to bring back the sun.
> Infact the were transitional between Matriarchies and Patriarchies.
>
> It was only when the Olympian god came with the Hellenes, deposed the Titans
> that Patriarchies became dominant.
The same thing happened in other cultures. Probably
connected with agriculture which gave men more time to stay
at home.
>
> >> Matrichies were utterly BARBARIC and advocated the monthly sacrifice of
> the
> >> Kind who was later replaced by a Child who was either thrown of a cliff
> top,
> >> burned alive or thrown into a snake pit.
> >>
> >
> >That was patriarchies. Druids, Aztecs, the Old Testament
> >mentions human sacrifice and you can't get more patriarchal
> >than that. The list is endless.
>
> NO IT WASN'T.
>
> They were MATRIARCHIES which all based their religion on the Moon goddess,
> who matches the female menstrual cycle, and therefore after every lunation
> the sacred King was bloodyly sacrificed.
The cultures I listed were ones with a predominantly male
pantheon, often with the sun as the chief of the gods. The
sun is male so a male is sacrificed to the sun. The Aztecs
did it every day if they had enough victims.
>
> Druids were Tree worshipers and therefore worshipers of the Earth Goddess.
Sun and trees. Dualists, maybe, but masculine gods
predominated. Once again the sun was the most important. But
the druids, according to Roman histories, sacrificed men,
women, children and animals at the four main festivals,
which were linked to the seasons. Druids were mainly
worshippers of the Sun God. Druids were male, same as the
sun.
>
> The OT is ALL matriarchal (Elohim used for God is feminine plural) until the
> establishment of the priest hood after Moses.
Until Adam and Eve it may have been. What can be more
patriarchal than the creation of Eve? The story of Lilith
and the sons of God and the daughters of Men, creating
giants, is older than Adam and Eve. It also tends to be
overlooked
>
> Read my "The Pagans of the Jehovah" essay (about a year old now)
In this ng?
>
> >> >> Patriarchal Societies in Europe have only existed for 4,000 years.
> >> >>
> >> >> Matriarchies existed for 100,000 years prior. So men have a lot of
> >> catching
> >> >> up to do.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Men were probably much freer in the ancient matriarchies
> >> >than women in a patriarchy. As men are physically stronger
> >>
> >> RUBBISH. That is not true. Since when did Patriarchies sacrifice women.
> >>
> >
> >Probably since they began. But they sacrificed men and
>
> What the hell are you talking about. Patriarchies DID NOT by their nature
> use the sacrifice of people. They used Animals or offal. That is way they
> came to power because of the Barbaric beliefs of the Matriarchy.
Another OT example, definately when it was patriarchal.
Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son as a burnt offering.
At that time human sacrifice was practiced. Of course
societies usually used prisoners of war. Can you point to
any literature saying when human sacrifice stopped
completely? I haven't found anything, so I assume it slowly
became less common until it stopped.
>
> >children as well, so I suppose you could say that there was
>
> It was ONLY MATRIARCHIES that sacrificed Men, and Children.
>
> The men were the Sacred Kings and the boys were their Tannists, who later
> took the sacred kings place in the sacrifice.
That is the midwinter sacrifice to bring back the sun.
Masculine.
>
> >an equal opportunity in that respect. Women are much more
> >likely to be blamed for anything going wrong in a
> >patriarchy. If men have power over women it's much more
> >comfortable for them to blame women rather than themselves.
>
> Youre talking complete crap.
So why have women been blamed for being female? If a woman
is expected to leave her home only in the company of others,
preferably male relatives, and dress in a manner that
ensures that almost all her body is covered, then, if a man
rapes her she is thought of as a whore, isn't that blaming a
woman for a mans actions? Why is it alright for men to be
promiscuous but not for women to be (I don't know why
anybody would want a large number of lovers, male or female,
but I know why men fanticise about it). I could name so many
unfair practices against women, even now.
>
> >> >than women, there must have been good reasons for men to
> >> >accept being ruled by women.
> >>
> >> Ignorance of the conjugal rights.
> >>
> >
> >What rights? If there are any, then surely they are the
> >rights of women as much as men. Conjugal rights is another
> >name for rape. Maybe that's why women who aren't 'in the
> >mood' plead illness (the headache?) rather than being
> >honest. How would you feel if a woman forced herself on you
> >when you were totally exhausted and only wanted to go to
>
> Do you hear Cat's, Dog's, Rabbits, Horses, Birds, or even Fish complain
> about being violated.
They don't because they can't be. Humans are the only
species that are permanently responsive. In all other
species thre is no interest unless the female gives off the
right scent, then she will mate with as many males as
possible, or as many times with the same male, depending on
species. But only for a short time, then back to being
totally uninterested again. Also in most species the female
is larger, stronger, and dominant.
>
> >sleep. Of course congugal rights should never have existed.
> >If a couple can't be bothered to get each other interested,
> >then they shouldn't bother with anything.
>
> It was a mans right to procreate, and the dominant male (King) had the right
> to each and every woman in the village, even in a Matriarchy.
A mans desire to procreate, a mans instinct to procreate,
not a mans right, unless the woman agrees. Of course the
best specimen would be the man that women would most want to
have children from, so the man would probably be able to do
whatever he wanted, before the patriarchal insistance that
every man knew that a child was his because the woman lost
her right to procreate with a better man if one was
available. Look at modern royalty and you can see where that
got them.
>
> >> >> The time of emancipation came about when man said, "If I can't have
> the
> >> >> women of my village, I will take those of my neighbour."
> >> >
> >> >That wasn't emancipation, that was slavery.
> >>
> >> After man rebelled against the Matriarchy his slavery came to an end.
> >>
> >
> >For a man it is better for a woman to be a slave than for a
> >man to be. For a woman the opposite. But surely it is
> >preferable for there to be no slaves.
>
> So stop complaining you have headaches then.
I don't complain about headaches. I make sure that I choose
men who won't give me headaches.
Men do not want to be dominated
Women do not want to be dominated.
> by women again and they will not release women until they can be trusted to
> behave in a civilised way.
Again? Is there any proof that men were ever enslaved by
women in the way that men enslaved women.
I would like to see men and women behave in a civilised way,
being different but of equal worth.
>
> >> BTW did you see that BBC2 documentary on "ape men". Looks promising so
> far.
> >
> >I did. It looks very promising. Did you see the 'military
> >blunders' that started tonight on channel four? From the
>
> Missed it. Why cant they tell me when anything is on.
They did, but it wasn't advertised much. It was in the TV
listings. I think it's a series, every Thursday at 8pm on
ch4.
>
> Is it repeated.
The first one has only just been shown. Try next Thursday.
>
> >crusaders to Kosovo. I taped it and it should be very
> >interesting. Constantinople to Kosovo...I wonder if they'll
> >tell the truth?
>
> Who knows.
>
> What time is it on next.
8pm on Thursday.
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <38B6E1EE...@btinternet.com>...
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>> >Is it worth watching. That is, is it more than genitalia in
>> >the extended version?
>>
>> Not as good as Ben Hur, or Spartecus. "Do you prefer Snails or Oysters."
>>
>
>I prefer Sparticus to Ben Hur. Does that give you any hints?
>
Urrrr....
The quote was from the restored uncut version of Spartecus.
Do you know why it was cut and what it refers to ?
>> So why write a story that requires that.
>>
>> Star Wars, Indiana Jones, ET, and Jurassic Park did not require it. Even
the
>> James Bond films didn't go as far as showing close ups.
>
>Surely that depends on the context of the story and what it
>shows. None of the films you mention have a story that
>requires even a couple holding hands, and for ET it sounds
>positively perverted! Women in James Bond films are usually
>there to give a sex interest (or romantic interest, if you'd
>rather call it that). The films would not be changed by
>leaving everything out. They are pure adventure fantasies
>and have no need to reflect real life.
You dont notice any sex scene in Shakespeare or in the Classics do you
Those were supposed to represent real live but sex wasn't needed. Why would
actors prostitute themselves on the stage infront of an audience.
>> >I'm sure that those are for men. I don't think that most
>>
>> NOPE ! The certainly dont turn me on. Its a total Turn-off of so they get
>> ffwd.
>
>I wonder if most guys would agree with that. I think they
>wouldn't.
I think they would.
>> Wrong. These are Bi-Sexual Lesbians. ALL women fancy women, its a fact of
>> nature, so they are all bi-sexual.
>>
>
>ALL women fancy women? In the same way that ALL men fancy
YES !
>men, is it? Come on Aggie, you can't make a sweeping
>statement like that. Statistics show that one in ten men are
>homosexual. For women it is about the same. Some homosexuals
>are interested in the opposite sex as well. Or do you
>subscribe to the theory that EVERYBODY is bisexual to a
>greater or lesser extent?
Women are naturally Lesbians. Look at the way the hug and kiss and look at
other women. You dont get that with men do you.
>
>That's the only reason I can think of. Don't forget that
>almost all porn movies are made by men for men. I guess men
>must know what men will pay to watch.
The blow jobs are there as filler, to make you pay more for less.
BTW, you are wahtching thes films properly arent you ? Theses films always
require some "encouragement".
>> >It was. One part was about an artist who made mouldings of
>> >women's bits. Even showed him doing it. How could anyone
>> >want to decorate their home with that? The rest of the
>>
>> What about the bird that made mouldings of mens dicks. I missed it so I
am
>> only quoting what I've heard.
>
>I didn't see one that was anything like that. But if you
>took the moulds the man made of women and looked at that,
>you could pretend maybe. A sort of negative 3D image of
>everything?
What !!!!!
You mean it wasn't just the outside ?
>> It WOMEN that are obsess. If women werent so obsessed the men wouldnt be.
>
>That's the first time I've heard that. If women are
>obsessed, why is it women that say that it is quality, not
>quantity that matters.
Inoreder to insult men. Why haven any women owned up to preferring small
ones.
I've already said I dont like huge breasts.
>> Why are women so obsessed with breast size.
>
>Because men look at them first? A woman with big breasts
Nope. Men are really looking a between the breasts to get a look at whats
underneath, hips and legs and you know what. Big breasts just get in the way
more.
>walks past and all male eyes are fixed on them. It doesn't
>matter what she looks like, the men don't see her face. Also
>advertising, magazines, movies, pop stars.
All two dimensional. In order to give the impression of depth you have to
use oversized models.
>> I wonder what Mary Whitehorse got up to afterwards. Was she married ?
>
>Me too. She was but I don't know if she still is.
Maybe she exhausted him.
>> >I believe that there is evidence that the Minoan
>> >civilisation was matriarchal, or at least not patriarchal.
>> >Most civilisations from a time when matriarchies were common
>> >are so ancient nobody can really know how they were
>> >governed. The writing that has survived is unknown.
>>
>> The writing and potter depicts ritual sacrifice so they were
Matriarchies.
>
>Has Linear A been deciphered? A goddess seems to have been
Some of it.
>important, as a lot of female statuettes have been found,
>but we know little about the society before writing using
>Linear B, which was deciphered because there was a "rossetta
>stone" found. With all civilisations that we can't read the
>writing of, we can only go by what was left behind, and the
>way we interpret it. If human sacrifice was practised in any
>society the children and young women were preferred as they
It was only male children.
Young women who were virgin became priestesses.
>were innocent. Apart from the annual male sacrifice of the
>god-king to bring back the sun.
Its wasn't annual it was every lunation, 28/9 days
Eventuly the kings got it extended to a year, and then great year and so on,
and also used tannists in their place, but that was in the transitional
period from total Matriarchies to Patriarchies
Also the Sun was consider an sapect of the Great Triple Goddess, i.e.
Matriarchal.
>> Infact the were transitional between Matriarchies and Patriarchies.
>>
>> It was only when the Olympian god came with the Hellenes, deposed the
Titans
>> that Patriarchies became dominant.
>
>The same thing happened in other cultures. Probably
>connected with agriculture which gave men more time to stay
>at home.
Men still hunted but they stayed out longer to get away from the nagging
women.
Agriculture allowed men to become builders and engineers and wage wars while
women stayed at home.
>> >That was patriarchies. Druids, Aztecs, the Old Testament
>> >mentions human sacrifice and you can't get more patriarchal
>> >than that. The list is endless.
>>
>> NO IT WASN'T.
>>
>> They were MATRIARCHIES which all based their religion on the Moon
goddess,
>> who matches the female menstrual cycle, and therefore after every
lunation
>> the sacred King was bloodyly sacrificed.
>
>The cultures I listed were ones with a predominantly male
>pantheon, often with the sun as the chief of the gods. The
>sun is male so a male is sacrificed to the sun. The Aztecs
>did it every day if they had enough victims.
The sun want a Homosexual.
The sun was an aspect of the Tripple Goddess so a Male was required to
fertilise her. The King was regarded as a God, like the God of Abraham,
meaning the God that WAS Abraham, because he was Married to the Triple
Goddess.
Eventuall his also became married to the High Priestess which is why
[the]Abram (title of many High Kings) was marries to [the]Sari (title of
many High Priestesses) who later had their names changed to Abraham and
Sarah, when sex wall allowed between them to produce an heir.
>>
>> Druids were Tree worshipers and therefore worshipers of the Earth
Goddess.
>
>Sun and trees. Dualists, maybe, but masculine gods
According to the latest research Stonehenge is being considered as a temple
build to the Moon aswell the Sun and the Earth. i.e. the Triple Goddess -
Matriarchy.
>predominated. Once again the sun was the most important. But
>the druids, according to Roman histories, sacrificed men,
>women, children and animals at the four main festivals,
>which were linked to the seasons. Druids were mainly
>worshippers of the Sun God. Druids were male, same as the
>sun.
Druids were TREE Worshipers, which is why the are called DRUids. Their
religion of cause became corrupted in roman times.
The Romans, like the Greeks, Hindus and Vikings were worshiper of the
THUNDER God - Male, ie they worshipped the power of the elements OVER
nature.
>> The OT is ALL matriarchal (Elohim used for God is feminine plural) until
the
>> establishment of the priest hood after Moses.
>
>Until Adam and Eve it may have been. What can be more
It was Matriarchal all the way until Moses who founded a new completely
different religion based on the Priesthood.
>patriarchal than the creation of Eve? The story of Lilith
It was the simultanious Creation of Adam and Eve as a whole, and then their
division. This CRAP about god taking a "rib" is a Mistranslation. God
(Eloheim) infact separated Adam "image" from Eves.
>and the sons of God and the daughters of Men, creating
>giants, is older than Adam and Eve. It also tends to be
>overlooked
Son's of god refers to the Nephalim, the fallen Angels, mating with humans.
See the book of Enoch.
>>
>> Read my "The Pagans of the Jehovah" essay (about a year old now)
>
>In this ng?
Yes.
>> >Probably since they began. But they sacrificed men and
>>
>> What the hell are you talking about. Patriarchies DID NOT by their nature
>> use the sacrifice of people. They used Animals or offal. That is way they
>> came to power because of the Barbaric beliefs of the Matriarchy.
>
>Another OT example, definately when it was patriarchal.
>Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son as a burnt offering.
That was when it was still Matriarchal.
It only became patriarchal after that, but only in a transitional stage.
In any case, this was a Phallic Semi-Patriarchal Matriarchy which worship
the High King, represented as a Phallic Stone or Piler as god. Remember the
"Stone of Scone" where all the Scottish Kings were crowned on. Same purpose
in YHWHisam.
>At that time human sacrifice was practiced. Of course
>societies usually used prisoners of war. Can you point to
>any literature saying when human sacrifice stopped
>completely? I haven't found anything, so I assume it slowly
>became less common until it stopped.
Until the Matriarchies were all abolished.
>>
>> >children as well, so I suppose you could say that there was
>>
>> It was ONLY MATRIARCHIES that sacrificed Men, and Children.
>>
>> The men were the Sacred Kings and the boys were their Tannists, who later
>> took the sacred kings place in the sacrifice.
>
>That is the midwinter sacrifice to bring back the sun.
>Masculine.
FEMININE
>
>>
>> >an equal opportunity in that respect. Women are much more
>> >likely to be blamed for anything going wrong in a
>> >patriarchy. If men have power over women it's much more
>> >comfortable for them to blame women rather than themselves.
>>
>> Youre talking complete crap.
>
>So why have women been blamed for being female? If a woman
>is expected to leave her home only in the company of others,
They cant be trusted. Look at you and Kirssie deserting poor Aggie-tom for
Miros.
Meeeooowwwwwwwwww......
>preferably male relatives, and dress in a manner that
>ensures that almost all her body is covered, then, if a man
So that they dont attract other men of cause.
>rapes her she is thought of as a whore, isn't that blaming a
>woman for a mans actions? Why is it alright for men to be
And those men should have their dicks cut off.
>promiscuous but not for women to be (I don't know why
Because that the way it works. Women can only have one offspring at a time.
Men can father loads more in the mean time.
>anybody would want a large number of lovers, male or female,
>but I know why men fanticise about it). I could name so many
To keep us company when were alone of cause.
Why should we refuse to share ourselves with other women who what company.
Of cause theyve al; got to be faithful.
>unfair practices against women, even now.
Its not unfair.
>> >What rights? If there are any, then surely they are the
>> >rights of women as much as men. Conjugal rights is another
>> >name for rape. Maybe that's why women who aren't 'in the
>> >mood' plead illness (the headache?) rather than being
>> >honest. How would you feel if a woman forced herself on you
>> >when you were totally exhausted and only wanted to go to
>>
>> Do you hear Cat's, Dog's, Rabbits, Horses, Birds, or even Fish complain
>> about being violated.
>
>They don't because they can't be. Humans are the only
>species that are permanently responsive. In all other
So are Cats. And most probably Rabbits.
>species thre is no interest unless the female gives off the
>right scent, then she will mate with as many males as
Thos are Dogs
>possible, or as many times with the same male, depending on
Thays why such women are called Bitches.
>species. But only for a short time, then back to being
>totally uninterested again. Also in most species the female
>is larger, stronger, and dominant.
Not Cats, not Horses, not Cows, not Peacocks.
BTW how do hens in Battery Hens produce eggs. Its not as if the are let out
of theyre cage to mate with the Cock. They can barley stand up.
>> >sleep. Of course congugal rights should never have existed.
>> >If a couple can't be bothered to get each other interested,
>> >then they shouldn't bother with anything.
>>
>> It was a mans right to procreate, and the dominant male (King) had the
right
>> to each and every woman in the village, even in a Matriarchy.
>
>A mans desire to procreate, a mans instinct to procreate,
>not a mans right, unless the woman agrees. Of course the
>best specimen would be the man that women would most want to
>have children from, so the man would probably be able to do
>whatever he wanted, before the patriarchal insistance that
>every man knew that a child was his because the woman lost
And if this wasn't the case the Matriarchal of solving this problem was to
slaughter the Children that didn't look like their fathers, the dominant
male.
The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
>her right to procreate with a better man if one was
How could she do that. Once pregnant shes up the spout for 9 months.
>available. Look at modern royalty and you can see where that
>got them.
>> >For a man it is better for a woman to be a slave than for a
>> >man to be. For a woman the opposite. But surely it is
>> >preferable for there to be no slaves.
>>
>> So stop complaining you have headaches then.
>
>I don't complain about headaches. I make sure that I choose
>men who won't give me headaches.
Yer Right....
> Men do not want to be dominated
>
>Women do not want to be dominated.
>
>> by women again and they will not release women until they can be trusted
to
>> behave in a civilised way.
>
>Again? Is there any proof that men were ever enslaved by
>women in the way that men enslaved women.
I already told you about the Matriarchy which was 100 times more barbaric..
>I would like to see men and women behave in a civilised way,
>being different but of equal worth.
So behave that way.
Men want Harems with all the Women faithful to them. The women of Islam
accepted that so why cant you.
>>
>> >> BTW did you see that BBC2 documentary on "ape men". Looks promising so
>> far.
>> >
>> >I did. It looks very promising. Did you see the 'military
>> >blunders' that started tonight on channel four? From the
>>
>> Missed it. Why cant they tell me when anything is on.
>
>They did, but it wasn't advertised much. It was in the TV
>listings. I think it's a series, every Thursday at 8pm on
>ch4.
>
Thanks.
Kritifile
>
> Kritifile wrote in message <38B6E1EE...@btinternet.com>...
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> >> >Is it worth watching. That is, is it more than genitalia in
> >> >the extended version?
> >>
> >> Not as good as Ben Hur, or Spartecus. "Do you prefer Snails or Oysters."
> >>
> >
> >I prefer Sparticus to Ben Hur. Does that give you any hints?
> >
>
> Urrrr....
>
> The quote was from the restored uncut version of Spartecus.
>
> Do you know why it was cut and what it refers to ?
I didn't know that there was another version. Oysters and
their reputation? I don't know.
>
> >> So why write a story that requires that.
> >>
> >> Star Wars, Indiana Jones, ET, and Jurassic Park did not require it. Even
> the
> >> James Bond films didn't go as far as showing close ups.
> >
> >Surely that depends on the context of the story and what it
> >shows. None of the films you mention have a story that
> >requires even a couple holding hands, and for ET it sounds
> >positively perverted! Women in James Bond films are usually
> >there to give a sex interest (or romantic interest, if you'd
> >rather call it that). The films would not be changed by
> >leaving everything out. They are pure adventure fantasies
> >and have no need to reflect real life.
>
> You dont notice any sex scene in Shakespeare or in the Classics do you
>
Only men were actors. Womens parts were played by men.
> Those were supposed to represent real live but sex wasn't needed. Why would
> actors prostitute themselves on the stage infront of an audience.
>
For the reason I gave above? Also, sex is not shown in
theatre, but in other media. Movies weren't around then.
> >> >I'm sure that those are for men. I don't think that most
> >>
> >> NOPE ! The certainly dont turn me on. Its a total Turn-off of so they get
> >> ffwd.
> >
> >I wonder if most guys would agree with that. I think they
> >wouldn't.
>
> I think they would.
>
A poll?
> >> Wrong. These are Bi-Sexual Lesbians. ALL women fancy women, its a fact of
> >> nature, so they are all bi-sexual.
> >>
> >
> >ALL women fancy women? In the same way that ALL men fancy
>
> YES !
All men fancy men too?
>
> >men, is it? Come on Aggie, you can't make a sweeping
> >statement like that. Statistics show that one in ten men are
> >homosexual. For women it is about the same. Some homosexuals
> >are interested in the opposite sex as well. Or do you
> >subscribe to the theory that EVERYBODY is bisexual to a
> >greater or lesser extent?
>
> Women are naturally Lesbians. Look at the way the hug and kiss and look at
> other women. You dont get that with men do you.
That depends on the culture. British culture is a cold one,
with a taboo on touching, especially for men. Can you name
any Mediterranean culture where it isn't normal for
everybody to greet friends of both sexes with a hug and a
kiss on the cheek? Nobody thinks that the men are homosexual
because they greet other men by putting their arms round
them and kissing them. Neither are women thought homosexual
for doing the same with other women. And men and women
aren't thought to have a sexual interest by doing it to each
other.
You don't get that with men in the UK because they've been
brought up to think there is something wrong in showing
affection.
>
> >
> >That's the only reason I can think of. Don't forget that
> >almost all porn movies are made by men for men. I guess men
> >must know what men will pay to watch.
>
> The blow jobs are there as filler, to make you pay more for less.
What about the guys that prefer them?
>
> BTW, you are wahtching thes films properly arent you ? Theses films always
> require some "encouragement".
I hardly ever watch them. But I know the right
circumstances, even if I haven't seen one for years. Anyway,
I lose interest in the film very early.
>
> >> >It was. One part was about an artist who made mouldings of
> >> >women's bits. Even showed him doing it. How could anyone
> >> >want to decorate their home with that? The rest of the
> >>
> >> What about the bird that made mouldings of mens dicks. I missed it so I
> am
> >> only quoting what I've heard.
> >
> >I didn't see one that was anything like that. But if you
> >took the moulds the man made of women and looked at that,
> >you could pretend maybe. A sort of negative 3D image of
> >everything?
>
> What !!!!!
>
> You mean it wasn't just the outside ?
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it, but you've got the
right idea. Inside and out.
>
> >> It WOMEN that are obsess. If women werent so obsessed the men wouldnt be.
> >
> >That's the first time I've heard that. If women are
> >obsessed, why is it women that say that it is quality, not
> >quantity that matters.
>
> Inoreder to insult men. Why haven any women owned up to preferring small
> ones.
There are women's jokes about extra large and how they'd run
away from that. Women feel sorry for those who are way above
average. But apart from extremes in either direction, you
could say that it's the whole rather than an appendage alone
that makes the difference.
>
> I've already said I dont like huge breasts.
>
> >> Why are women so obsessed with breast size.
> >
> >Because men look at them first? A woman with big breasts
>
> Nope. Men are really looking a between the breasts to get a look at whats
> underneath, hips and legs and you know what. Big breasts just get in the way
> more.
Now I know that you aren't a breast man! Some are obsessed
with them, so I can safely give my opinion on that. I think
it's a desire for the security of a baby at its mothers
breast.
>
> >walks past and all male eyes are fixed on them. It doesn't
> >matter what she looks like, the men don't see her face. Also
> >advertising, magazines, movies, pop stars.
>
> All two dimensional. In order to give the impression of depth you have to
> use oversized models.
And the anorexic fashion models?
>
> >> I wonder what Mary Whitehorse got up to afterwards. Was she married ?
> >
> >Me too. She was but I don't know if she still is.
>
> Maybe she exhausted him.
Maybe she did. LOL
>
> >> >I believe that there is evidence that the Minoan
> >> >civilisation was matriarchal, or at least not patriarchal.
> >> >Most civilisations from a time when matriarchies were common
> >> >are so ancient nobody can really know how they were
> >> >governed. The writing that has survived is unknown.
> >>
> >> The writing and potter depicts ritual sacrifice so they were
> Matriarchies.
> >
> >Has Linear A been deciphered? A goddess seems to have been
>
> Some of it.
Do you have a link?
>
> >important, as a lot of female statuettes have been found,
> >but we know little about the society before writing using
> >Linear B, which was deciphered because there was a "rossetta
> >stone" found. With all civilisations that we can't read the
> >writing of, we can only go by what was left behind, and the
> >way we interpret it. If human sacrifice was practised in any
> >society the children and young women were preferred as they
>
> It was only male children.
>
> Young women who were virgin became priestesses.
How can anyone know that? And I was thinking of more than
one culture although I used that as an example.
>
> >were innocent. Apart from the annual male sacrifice of the
> >god-king to bring back the sun.
>
> Its wasn't annual it was every lunation, 28/9 days
Where is that written? I've read nothing suggesting that.
>
> Eventuly the kings got it extended to a year, and then great year and so on,
> and also used tannists in their place, but that was in the transitional
> period from total Matriarchies to Patriarchies
>
> Also the Sun was consider an sapect of the Great Triple Goddess, i.e.
> Matriarchal.
Not in anything I've read.
>
> >> Infact the were transitional between Matriarchies and Patriarchies.
> >>
> >> It was only when the Olympian god came with the Hellenes, deposed the
> Titans
> >> that Patriarchies became dominant.
> >
> >The same thing happened in other cultures. Probably
> >connected with agriculture which gave men more time to stay
> >at home.
>
> Men still hunted but they stayed out longer to get away from the nagging
> women.
They didn't have to stay away as long because they had
domestic animals.
Nagging women! Nobody is a better nagger than a man who sets
his mind to it.
>
> Agriculture allowed men to become builders and engineers and wage wars while
> women stayed at home.
Not so much so for the ordinary man. He spent his time
growing food and surviving. The women had children to bring
up and agriculture meant that they could stay in one place
to do it. So maybe women were responsible for their own
enslavement.
>
> >> >That was patriarchies. Druids, Aztecs, the Old Testament
> >> >mentions human sacrifice and you can't get more patriarchal
> >> >than that. The list is endless.
> >>
> >> NO IT WASN'T.
> >>
> >> They were MATRIARCHIES which all based their religion on the Moon
> goddess,
> >> who matches the female menstrual cycle, and therefore after every
> lunation
> >> the sacred King was bloodyly sacrificed.
> >
> >The cultures I listed were ones with a predominantly male
> >pantheon, often with the sun as the chief of the gods. The
> >sun is male so a male is sacrificed to the sun. The Aztecs
> >did it every day if they had enough victims.
>
> The sun want a Homosexual.
>
> The sun was an aspect of the Tripple Goddess so a Male was required to
> fertilise her. The King was regarded as a God, like the God of Abraham,
> meaning the God that WAS Abraham, because he was Married to the Triple
> Goddess.
The triple goddess I know had nothing to do with the sun.
There have always been both male and female principles. The
female governs life and the earth. The male governs the sky
and nasty things like storms and thunderbolts. The triple
goddess represents the ages of a person, youth, childbearing
maturity, old age and death.
>
> Eventuall his also became married to the High Priestess which is why
> [the]Abram (title of many High Kings) was marries to [the]Sari (title of
> many High Priestesses) who later had their names changed to Abraham and
> Sarah, when sex wall allowed between them to produce an heir.
That's a new idea for me.
>
> >>
> >> Druids were Tree worshipers and therefore worshipers of the Earth
> Goddess.
> >
> >Sun and trees. Dualists, maybe, but masculine gods
>
> According to the latest research Stonehenge is being considered as a temple
> build to the Moon aswell the Sun and the Earth. i.e. the Triple Goddess
You can't have one without the other, male without female,
sun without moon. That is where the ancients were wise.
-
> Matriarchy.
>
> >predominated. Once again the sun was the most important. But
> >the druids, according to Roman histories, sacrificed men,
> >women, children and animals at the four main festivals,
> >which were linked to the seasons. Druids were mainly
> >worshippers of the Sun God. Druids were male, same as the
> >sun.
>
> Druids were TREE Worshipers, which is why the are called DRUids. Their
> religion of cause became corrupted in roman times.
Is there any information about druids that doesn't come from
the Romans? The Romans gave druids a bad press.
>
> The Romans, like the Greeks, Hindus and Vikings were worshiper of the
> THUNDER God - Male, ie they worshipped the power of the elements OVER
> nature.
All polytheists worship both male and female, although one
male is dominant. As for Hindus, Kali is female, although
she is the third aspect of the triple goddess.
>
> >> The OT is ALL matriarchal (Elohim used for God is feminine plural) until
> the
> >> establishment of the priest hood after Moses.
> >
> >Until Adam and Eve it may have been. What can be more
>
> It was Matriarchal all the way until Moses who founded a new completely
> different religion based on the Priesthood.
Moses changed it, but founded a new religion???
The Aztecs were destroyed, in part, because of the priests
fondness for human sacrifice. Males sacrifised to a male
god.
>
> >>
> >> >children as well, so I suppose you could say that there was
> >>
> >> It was ONLY MATRIARCHIES that sacrificed Men, and Children.
> >>
> >> The men were the Sacred Kings and the boys were their Tannists, who later
> >> took the sacred kings place in the sacrifice.
> >
> >That is the midwinter sacrifice to bring back the sun.
> >Masculine.
>
> FEMININE
MASCULINE
>
> >
> >>
> >> >an equal opportunity in that respect. Women are much more
> >> >likely to be blamed for anything going wrong in a
> >> >patriarchy. If men have power over women it's much more
> >> >comfortable for them to blame women rather than themselves.
> >>
> >> Youre talking complete crap.
> >
> >So why have women been blamed for being female? If a woman
> >is expected to leave her home only in the company of others,
>
> They cant be trusted. Look at you and Kirssie deserting poor Aggie-tom for
> Miros.
>
> Meeeooowwwwwwwwww......
Women can't be trusted. That's why I've always preferred
male friends. I only did it because Aggie-tom wanted lots
and lots of female kitties. Thought it would be a way of
showing how one of the kitties would feel. As for Krissie,
if she wants Miros she can have him. Poor Aggie-tom, come
over here for a nice cuddle......
>
> >preferably male relatives, and dress in a manner that
> >ensures that almost all her body is covered, then, if a man
>
> So that they dont attract other men of cause.
Because men can't be trusted.
>
> >rapes her she is thought of as a whore, isn't that blaming a
> >woman for a mans actions? Why is it alright for men to be
>
> And those men should have their dicks cut off.
Good idea, but there is always some idea that it has to be
the woman's fault in some way. As if men are animals with no
control.
>
> >promiscuous but not for women to be (I don't know why
>
> Because that the way it works. Women can only have one offspring at a time.
> Men can father loads more in the mean time.
Of course. That's why women prefer one man at a time.
Instinct makes it about two to three years for each one.
Long enough for the offspring of one man to grow enough for
her to find another mate for the next one.
>
> >anybody would want a large number of lovers, male or female,
> >but I know why men fanticise about it). I could name so many
>
> To keep us company when were alone of cause.
Don't you think that women want company when they're alone?
>
> Why should we refuse to share ourselves with other women who what company.
>
> Of cause theyve al; got to be faithful.
Why?
>
> >unfair practices against women, even now.
>
> Its not unfair.
It is. That's why women find it so hard to get the work they
are best at.
>
> >> >What rights? If there are any, then surely they are the
> >> >rights of women as much as men. Conjugal rights is another
> >> >name for rape. Maybe that's why women who aren't 'in the
> >> >mood' plead illness (the headache?) rather than being
> >> >honest. How would you feel if a woman forced herself on you
> >> >when you were totally exhausted and only wanted to go to
> >>
> >> Do you hear Cat's, Dog's, Rabbits, Horses, Birds, or even Fish complain
> >> about being violated.
> >
> >They don't because they can't be. Humans are the only
> >species that are permanently responsive. In all other
>
> So are Cats. And most probably Rabbits.
No. I know when a cat is in season, and she isn't in season
all the time. When she has kittens it could be at least six
months before the next time. Rabbits are the same, but
probably the time is shorter.
>
> >species thre is no interest unless the female gives off the
> >right scent, then she will mate with as many males as
>
> Thos are Dogs
and cats, and any other animal. You should see how my female
cats always chased the male away after mating, then went
after another one.
>
> >possible, or as many times with the same male, depending on
>
> Thays why such women are called Bitches.
No. That's another example of male dominance. Call a man by
the name of a male animal and it's good. Bull, dog, ram,
cockeral, buck. Call a woman a female animal and it's an
insult. Bitch, cow, think of them. Even doe is an insult. It
implies obodience and passivity.
>
> >species. But only for a short time, then back to being
> >totally uninterested again. Also in most species the female
> >is larger, stronger, and dominant.
>
> Not Cats, not Horses, not Cows, not Peacocks.
Birds are different. But for animals, if the female isn't
stronger she's as strong.
>
> BTW how do hens in Battery Hens produce eggs. Its not as if the are let out
> of theyre cage to mate with the Cock. They can barley stand up.
The eggs aren't fertilised. Birds are different and chickens
have been bred to lay eggs. They lay them without cocks.
Anyway, you wouldn't eat a fertilised egg.
>
> >> >sleep. Of course congugal rights should never have existed.
> >> >If a couple can't be bothered to get each other interested,
> >> >then they shouldn't bother with anything.
> >>
> >> It was a mans right to procreate, and the dominant male (King) had the
> right
> >> to each and every woman in the village, even in a Matriarchy.
> >
> >A mans desire to procreate, a mans instinct to procreate,
> >not a mans right, unless the woman agrees. Of course the
> >best specimen would be the man that women would most want to
> >have children from, so the man would probably be able to do
> >whatever he wanted, before the patriarchal insistance that
> >every man knew that a child was his because the woman lost
>
> And if this wasn't the case the Matriarchal of solving this problem was to
> slaughter the Children that didn't look like their fathers, the dominant
> male.
What about the slaughter of female children. It still
happens, girl babies killed or left to die.
>
> The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
For men. What's wrong with a new system where both men and
women have equal rights. Different but equal. Nobody forcing
one sex into the mold they want.
>
> >her right to procreate with a better man if one was
>
> How could she do that. Once pregnant shes up the spout for 9 months.
After that. She doesn't have to have all her children with
the same man. In fact there would be more genetic diversity
if she didn't, which is why men have tried to mold women
into staying with one man who has as many women as he wants.
Naturally the woman would leave after she'd had a child if a
better man came along.
>
> >available. Look at modern royalty and you can see where that
> >got them.
>
> >> >For a man it is better for a woman to be a slave than for a
> >> >man to be. For a woman the opposite. But surely it is
> >> >preferable for there to be no slaves.
> >>
> >> So stop complaining you have headaches then.
> >
> >I don't complain about headaches. I make sure that I choose
> >men who won't give me headaches.
>
> Yer Right....
>
> > Men do not want to be dominated
> >
> >Women do not want to be dominated.
> >
> >> by women again and they will not release women until they can be trusted
> to
> >> behave in a civilised way.
> >
> >Again? Is there any proof that men were ever enslaved by
> >women in the way that men enslaved women.
>
> I already told you about the Matriarchy which was 100 times more barbaric..
Ancient societies were all barbaric by modern standards. As
we become more advanced we should become more humane. In
theory anyway.
>
> >I would like to see men and women behave in a civilised way,
> >being different but of equal worth.
>
> So behave that way.
I try to. But the majority don't.
>
> Men want Harems with all the Women faithful to them. The women of Islam
> accepted that so why cant you.
It is unnatural. Men fertilising as many women as possible,
instinct. Women staying around a man until she has his
child, instinct. Anything else is culture and a society
forcing its values on others. Afghanistan is maybe the
strictest Islamic country, and almost everyone wants out,
especially women.
>
> >>
> >> >> BTW did you see that BBC2 documentary on "ape men". Looks promising so
> >> far.
> >> >
> >> >I did. It looks very promising. Did you see the 'military
> >> >blunders' that started tonight on channel four? From the
> >>
> >> Missed it. Why cant they tell me when anything is on.
> >
> >They did, but it wasn't advertised much. It was in the TV
> >listings. I think it's a series, every Thursday at 8pm on
> >ch4.
> >
>
> Thanks.
The first program was about Montgomery and Arnhem, Townsend
and Baghdad (he never made it and spent the rest of his life
as an honoured guest of the ottomans in Constantinople), and
Macarthey. It's about the last one thousand years and is
called Greatest Military Blunders. It is a series. Next one
at 8pm Thursday.
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <38B85490...@btinternet.com>...
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> >> Not as good as Ben Hur, or Spartecus. "Do you prefer Snails or
Oysters."
>> >>
>> >
>> >I prefer Sparticus to Ben Hur. Does that give you any hints?
>> >
>>
>> Urrrr....
>>
>> The quote was from the restored uncut version of Spartecus.
>>
>> Do you know why it was cut and what it refers to ?
>
>I didn't know that there was another version. Oysters and
>their reputation? I don't know.
The full quote is:
Caesar: "Which do you prefer, Snails or Oysters"
Antoninus: "Why do you ask"
Caesar: "I partake of both Snails and Oysters"
In the next scene Antoninus has fled the palace to join the rebels.
Figure it out yet ?
>> >> >I'm sure that those are for men. I don't think that most
>> >>
>> >> NOPE ! The certainly dont turn me on. Its a total Turn-off of so they
get
>> >> ffwd.
>> >
>> >I wonder if most guys would agree with that. I think they
>> >wouldn't.
>>
>> I think they would.
>>
>
>A poll?
Lek Valenca
>> >> Wrong. These are Bi-Sexual Lesbians. ALL women fancy women, its a fact
of
>> >> nature, so they are all bi-sexual.
>> >>
>> >
>> >ALL women fancy women? In the same way that ALL men fancy
>>
>> YES !
>
>All men fancy men too?
No they fancy women. Everyone fancies women.
>> The blow jobs are there as filler, to make you pay more for less.
>
>What about the guys that prefer them?
Theyre all right in practice but not on screen.
>> >> Why are women so obsessed with breast size.
>> >
>> >Because men look at them first? A woman with big breasts
>>
>> Nope. Men are really looking a between the breasts to get a look at whats
>> underneath, hips and legs and you know what. Big breasts just get in the
way
>> more.
>
>Now I know that you aren't a breast man! Some are obsessed
Right... It not how big they are but the shape that matters.
>with them, so I can safely give my opinion on that. I think
>it's a desire for the security of a baby at its mothers
>breast.
>
>>
>> >walks past and all male eyes are fixed on them. It doesn't
>> >matter what she looks like, the men don't see her face. Also
>> >advertising, magazines, movies, pop stars.
>>
>> All two dimensional. In order to give the impression of depth you have to
>> use oversized models.
>
>And the anorexic fashion models?
Chosen by Homosexuals
>>
>> >> I wonder what Mary Whitehorse got up to afterwards. Was she married ?
>> >
>> >Me too. She was but I don't know if she still is.
>>
>> Maybe she exhausted him.
>
>Maybe she did. LOL
Must have........
>> >
>> >Has Linear A been deciphered? A goddess seems to have been
>>
>> Some of it.
>
>Do you have a link?
>
http://members.xoom.com/tsioupros/lineara.htm
>>
>> >important, as a lot of female statuettes have been found,
>> >but we know little about the society before writing using
>> >Linear B, which was deciphered because there was a "rossetta
>> >stone" found. With all civilisations that we can't read the
>> >writing of, we can only go by what was left behind, and the
>> >way we interpret it. If human sacrifice was practised in any
>> >society the children and young women were preferred as they
>>
>> It was only male children.
>>
>> Young women who were virgin became priestesses.
>
>How can anyone know that? And I was thinking of more than
It was written down in all those myths and plays.
>one culture although I used that as an example.
>
>>
>> >were innocent. Apart from the annual male sacrifice of the
>> >god-king to bring back the sun.
>>
>> Its wasn't annual it was every lunation, 28/9 days
>
>Where is that written? I've read nothing suggesting that.
OK, the King died on the Seventh full moon after the shortest day.
At that time they didn't know how long a year was so the attached special
significance to the number 7.
Then it became and Year of 13 luner months of 28 days and then a Great Year
of 100 lunation's during last of which occurs a near-coincidence of solar
and lunar time. Then an even Greater Year of 325 lunation's (19 years), and
even closer approximation of solar and lunar time.
>>
>> Eventuly the kings got it extended to a year, and then great year and so
on,
>> and also used tannists in their place, but that was in the transitional
>> period from total Matriarchies to Patriarchies
>>
>> Also the Sun was consider an sapect of the Great Triple Goddess, i.e.
>> Matriarchal.
>
>Not in anything I've read.
That's because you havent read anything. Your just spouting feminist
clap-trap not knowing where it came from.
If you actually read something on the subject you would know I am right.
>
>They didn't have to stay away as long because they had
>domestic animals.
Nope. Those were for the women and children. The Men still hunted and
because the women had the farm produce to eat the men didn't have to come
back as often to supply the family with food. So the stayed out with their
mates.
An investigation of the digestive systems of mummified bodies shows that the
men ate wild animas whereas the women ate a differnent farm based diat.
>Nagging women! Nobody is a better nagger than a man who sets
>his mind to it.
I dont know of any men that nagg, but I've sure herd alot of women doing it,
and they dont care who can hear them.
>>
>> Agriculture allowed men to become builders and engineers and wage wars
while
>> women stayed at home.
>
>Not so much so for the ordinary man. He spent his time
>growing food and surviving. The women had children to bring
Nope.... See Above.
>up and agriculture meant that they could stay in one place
>to do it. So maybe women were responsible for their own
>enslavement.
Actually the Women worked on the farms, while the men were the builders,
fighters, and hunters. (see the CH4 doc "Secrets of the Stone Age" if its
repeated)
>> >The cultures I listed were ones with a predominantly male
>> >pantheon, often with the sun as the chief of the gods. The
>> >sun is male so a male is sacrificed to the sun. The Aztecs
>> >did it every day if they had enough victims.
>>
>> The sun want a Homosexual.
>>
>> The sun was an aspect of the Tripple Goddess so a Male was required to
>> fertilise her. The King was regarded as a God, like the God of Abraham,
>> meaning the God that WAS Abraham, because he was Married to the Triple
>> Goddess.
>
>The triple goddess I know had nothing to do with the sun.
Now I know you're talking complete pussy.
"Not only the moon, but (to judge from Hememra of Greece and Grainne of
Ireland) the sun, were the goddess's celestial symbols."
Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 11 of Vol. 1)]
>There have always been both male and female principles. The
>female governs life and the earth. The male governs the sky
>and nasty things like storms and thunderbolts. The triple
>goddess represents the ages of a person, youth, childbearing
>maturity, old age and death.
And is associated with the Sun, Moon and Earth, hence Triple Goddess.
"The moons three phases of new, full and old recalled the matriarch's three
phases of maiden, nymph (nubile woman) and crone. Then, since the sun's
annual course similarly recalled the rise and decline of her physical
powers - spring a maiden, summer and nymph, winter and crone - the goddess
became identified with the seasonal changes in animal and plant life; and
thus with Mother Earth......"
Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 12 of Vol. 1)]
>>
>> Eventuall his also became married to the High Priestess which is why
>> [the]Abram (title of many High Kings) was marries to [the]Sari (title of
>> many High Priestesses) who later had their names changed to Abraham and
>> Sarah, when sex wall allowed between them to produce an heir.
>
>That's a new idea for me.
Its the only way to explain the paganism of the OT and the use of Phallic
Pillars.
>>
>> >>
>> >> Druids were Tree worshipers and therefore worshipers of the Earth
>> Goddess.
>> >
>> >Sun and trees. Dualists, maybe, but masculine gods
>>
>> According to the latest research Stonehenge is being considered as a
temple
>> build to the Moon aswell the Sun and the Earth. i.e. the Triple Goddess
>
>You can't have one without the other, male without female,
>sun without moon. That is where the ancients were wise.
What the hell are you talking about. The sun was Matriarchal.
>> Druids were TREE Worshipers, which is why the are called DRUids. Their
>> religion of cause became corrupted in roman times.
>
>Is there any information about druids that doesn't come from
>the Romans? The Romans gave druids a bad press.
>
Try the Celts, if you can read runes.
>>
>> The Romans, like the Greeks, Hindus and Vikings were worshiper of the
>> THUNDER God - Male, ie they worshipped the power of the elements OVER
>> nature.
>
>All polytheists worship both male and female, although one
>male is dominant. As for Hindus, Kali is female, although
>she is the third aspect of the triple goddess.
Polytheists cam about because the non-racist Aryian religions (unlike the
racist Hebrew based ones) allowed all the gods and goddesses to live
together as one happy family. The Jews being inherent racists only worshiped
one god and exterminated those that worshipped any other.
>> >> The OT is ALL matriarchal (Elohim used for God is feminine plural)
until
>> the
>> >> establishment of the priest hood after Moses.
>> >
>> >Until Adam and Eve it may have been. What can be more
>>
>> It was Matriarchal all the way until Moses who founded a new completely
>> different religion based on the Priesthood.
>
>Moses changed it, but founded a new religion???
Moses had absolutely NO relationship to Isaac (Israel) and neither did his
people. He was an Egyptian priest probably of the priesthood of the
megalomaniac Akanatheon, who fled Egypt with his followers after the Pharos
death when the old religion was restored, and incorporated the religion of
Isaac in his newly invented beliefs so as to make himself God King by proxy
of the male priesthood. Isaac and Abraham's religion was presided over by
female pristesses.
>>
>> >At that time human sacrifice was practiced. Of course
>> >societies usually used prisoners of war. Can you point to
>> >any literature saying when human sacrifice stopped
>> >completely? I haven't found anything, so I assume it slowly
>> >became less common until it stopped.
>>
>> Until the Matriarchies were all abolished.
>
>The Aztecs were destroyed, in part, because of the priests
>fondness for human sacrifice. Males sacrifised to a male
>god.
Their religion was transitional Matriarchal.
>> >> It was ONLY MATRIARCHIES that sacrificed Men, and Children.
>> >>
>> >> The men were the Sacred Kings and the boys were their Tannists, who
later
>> >> took the sacred kings place in the sacrifice.
>> >
>> >That is the midwinter sacrifice to bring back the sun.
>> >Masculine.
>>
>> FEMININE
>
>MASCULINE
FEMININE
>> >So why have women been blamed for being female? If a woman
>> >is expected to leave her home only in the company of others,
>>
>> They cant be trusted. Look at you and Kirssie deserting poor Aggie-tom
for
>> Miros.
>>
>> Meeeooowwwwwwwwww......
>
>Women can't be trusted. That's why I've always preferred
>male friends. I only did it because Aggie-tom wanted lots
>and lots of female kitties. Thought it would be a way of
And he still does.
>showing how one of the kitties would feel. As for Krissie,
So Anna only ever wanted to be with Aggie-tom.
purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
>if she wants Miros she can have him. Poor Aggie-tom, come
Krissie-kat doesn't really want Miros does she. He could never satisfy her
need's like Aggie-tom.
akkk.....
<Aggie-tom trying to sniff out Krissie-kat>
Where has she gone.
Krissie-kat..... Krissiiiiiiiieee-kat.....
Come to Aggie-tom, he wont hurt you.
merrrrowww........ merrrrowww........
>over here for a nice cuddle......
<Aggie-tom coming over and rubbing against Anna's leg waiting to be picked
up>
purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
>
>>
>> >preferably male relatives, and dress in a manner that
>> >ensures that almost all her body is covered, then, if a man
>>
>> So that they dont attract other men of cause.
>
>Because men can't be trusted.
No. Because women cant be trusted.
>> >promiscuous but not for women to be (I don't know why
>>
>> Because that the way it works. Women can only have one offspring at a
time.
>> Men can father loads more in the mean time.
>
>Of course. That's why women prefer one man at a time.
>Instinct makes it about two to three years for each one.
>Long enough for the offspring of one man to grow enough for
>her to find another mate for the next one.
>
And whats wrong with using the original mate for the next one.
<Aggie-tom digging claws into Anna's chest and twisting his body around to
jump down>
>> >anybody would want a large number of lovers, male or female,
>> >but I know why men fanticise about it). I could name so many
>>
>> To keep us company when were alone of cause.
>
>Don't you think that women want company when they're alone?
>
Yes and that why the Harem was invented.
>> Why should we refuse to share ourselves with other women who what
company.
>>
>> Of cause theyve al; got to be faithful.
>
>Why?
Because of all the investment we put in.
If a man wants a slapper he can pick one of the street any time.
>> >unfair practices against women, even now.
>>
>> Its not unfair.
>
>It is. That's why women find it so hard to get the work they
>are best at.
What about men. All this positive discrimination is putting us out of our
jobs.
>> >They don't because they can't be. Humans are the only
>> >species that are permanently responsive. In all other
>>
>> So are Cats. And most probably Rabbits.
>
>No. I know when a cat is in season, and she isn't in season
>all the time. When she has kittens it could be at least six
>months before the next time. Rabbits are the same, but
>probably the time is shorter.
Nope. The tom cat has a barb on his appendage which starts of a female cats
reproductive cycle when he withdraws so she can have his kittens at any
time. Why do you think that male cats are always bonking the furniture.
>>
>> >species thre is no interest unless the female gives off the
>> >right scent, then she will mate with as many males as
>>
>> Thos are Dogs
>
>and cats, and any other animal. You should see how my female
Dog are different and so are other animals.
>cats always chased the male away after mating, then went
>after another one.
Thats because of the barb which inflicts pain when he withdraws, thus
signalling her to reproduce..
>>
>> >possible, or as many times with the same male, depending on
>>
>> Thays why such women are called Bitches.
>
>No. That's another example of male dominance. Call a man by
>the name of a male animal and it's good. Bull, dog, ram,
>cockeral, buck. Call a woman a female animal and it's an
>insult. Bitch, cow, think of them. Even doe is an insult. It
>implies obodience and passivity.
Queen !
>
>>
>> >species. But only for a short time, then back to being
>> >totally uninterested again. Also in most species the female
>> >is larger, stronger, and dominant.
>>
>> Not Cats, not Horses, not Cows, not Peacocks.
>
>Birds are different. But for animals, if the female isn't
>stronger she's as strong.
Bull !!!!!!!!
>> BTW how do hens in Battery Hens produce eggs. Its not as if the are let
out
>> of theyre cage to mate with the Cock. They can barley stand up.
>
>The eggs aren't fertilised. Birds are different and chickens
I once broke an egg and there was a foetus inside so how did that one work.
>have been bred to lay eggs. They lay them without cocks.
>Anyway, you wouldn't eat a fertilised egg.
Not that one.
>> >A mans desire to procreate, a mans instinct to procreate,
>> >not a mans right, unless the woman agrees. Of course the
>> >best specimen would be the man that women would most want to
>> >have children from, so the man would probably be able to do
>> >whatever he wanted, before the patriarchal insistance that
>> >every man knew that a child was his because the woman lost
>>
>> And if this wasn't the case the Matriarchal of solving this problem was
to
>> slaughter the Children that didn't look like their fathers, the dominant
>> male.
>
>What about the slaughter of female children. It still
>happens, girl babies killed or left to die.
Thats China for you.
Have you noticed how oriental woman always look like pre-pubescent girls.
The men must have prefered 8 year olds to real women and thus only women
that looked like 8 year olds got selected to breed with leading to the same
features in the offspring.
>>
>> The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
>
>For men. What's wrong with a new system where both men and
>women have equal rights. Different but equal. Nobody forcing
>one sex into the mold they want.
So why force men into monogamy then.
>
>>
>> >her right to procreate with a better man if one was
>>
>> How could she do that. Once pregnant shes up the spout for 9 months.
>
>After that. She doesn't have to have all her children with
>the same man. In fact there would be more genetic diversity
>if she didn't, which is why men have tried to mold women
It would lead to extinction. The dominant male passes on the dominant genes,
not the female. Female mitochondrial DNA is always the same from generation
to generation.
>into staying with one man who has as many women as he wants.
>Naturally the woman would leave after she'd had a child if a
>better man came along.
And the better man would slaughter her first child since it was not his.
>> I already told you about the Matriarchy which was 100 times more
barbaric..
>
>Ancient societies were all barbaric by modern standards. As
>we become more advanced we should become more humane. In
>theory anyway.
Because we became Patriachal.
>>
>> >I would like to see men and women behave in a civilised way,
>> >being different but of equal worth.
>>
>> So behave that way.
>
>I try to. But the majority don't.
>
>>
>> Men want Harems with all the Women faithful to them. The women of Islam
>> accepted that so why cant you.
>
>It is unnatural. Men fertilising as many women as possible,
It is the way of life.
>instinct. Women staying around a man until she has his
>child, instinct. Anything else is culture and a society
>forcing its values on others. Afghanistan is maybe the
>strictest Islamic country, and almost everyone wants out,
>especially women.
Economic Migrants not real refugees. Straw should send them all back even if
they will get beheaded.
>> Thanks.
>
>The first program was about Montgomery and Arnhem, Townsend
>and Baghdad (he never made it and spent the rest of his life
>as an honoured guest of the ottomans in Constantinople), and
>Macarthey. It's about the last one thousand years and is
>called Greatest Military Blunders. It is a series. Next one
>at 8pm Thursday.
So when do the get to Clinoton and Kosovo ?
Kritifile
>
> Kritifile wrote in message <38B85490...@btinternet.com>...
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
>
> >> >> Not as good as Ben Hur, or Spartecus. "Do you prefer Snails or
> Oysters."
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I prefer Sparticus to Ben Hur. Does that give you any hints?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Urrrr....
> >>
> >> The quote was from the restored uncut version of Spartecus.
> >>
> >> Do you know why it was cut and what it refers to ?
> >
> >I didn't know that there was another version. Oysters and
> >their reputation? I don't know.
>
> The full quote is:
>
> Caesar: "Which do you prefer, Snails or Oysters"
>
> Antoninus: "Why do you ask"
>
> Caesar: "I partake of both Snails and Oysters"
>
> In the next scene Antoninus has fled the palace to join the rebels.
>
> Figure it out yet ?
I guess so.
>
> >> >> >I'm sure that those are for men. I don't think that most
> >> >>
> >> >> NOPE ! The certainly dont turn me on. Its a total Turn-off of so they
> get
> >> >> ffwd.
> >> >
> >> >I wonder if most guys would agree with that. I think they
> >> >wouldn't.
> >>
> >> I think they would.
> >>
> >
> >A poll?
>
> Lek Valenca
Lek Velenca? What does he have to do with it?
>
> >> >> Wrong. These are Bi-Sexual Lesbians. ALL women fancy women, its a fact
> of
> >> >> nature, so they are all bi-sexual.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >ALL women fancy women? In the same way that ALL men fancy
> >>
> >> YES !
> >
> >All men fancy men too?
>
> No they fancy women. Everyone fancies women.
Including homosexual men? There have been some very
interesting recent studies on the reaction to different
stimuli by both men and women. Apparrently heterosexuals of
both sexes react physically to pictures of the opposite sex,
homosexuals to those of the same sex. But women don't know
what their own bodies are doing because reactions are
filtered through the brain. With men it isn't as easy to
ignore.
>
> >> The blow jobs are there as filler, to make you pay more for less.
> >
> >What about the guys that prefer them?
>
> Theyre all right in practice but not on screen.
Isn't that a matter of imagination? Of course any guy who
could do it to himself would solve that problem. That's an
ambition I've heard of many times. :-)
>
> >> >> Why are women so obsessed with breast size.
> >> >
> >> >Because men look at them first? A woman with big breasts
> >>
> >> Nope. Men are really looking a between the breasts to get a look at whats
> >> underneath, hips and legs and you know what. Big breasts just get in the
> way
> >> more.
> >
> >Now I know that you aren't a breast man! Some are obsessed
>
> Right... It not how big they are but the shape that matters.
Some guys get very upset when I criticise the page three
models with implants. They think size matters. Glad you
don't agree with that.
>
> >with them, so I can safely give my opinion on that. I think
> >it's a desire for the security of a baby at its mothers
> >breast.
> >
> >>
> >> >walks past and all male eyes are fixed on them. It doesn't
> >> >matter what she looks like, the men don't see her face. Also
> >> >advertising, magazines, movies, pop stars.
> >>
> >> All two dimensional. In order to give the impression of depth you have to
> >> use oversized models.
> >
> >And the anorexic fashion models?
>
> Chosen by Homosexuals
I've always thought that. At least, that's the way it
started.
>
> >>
> >> >> I wonder what Mary Whitehorse got up to afterwards. Was she married ?
> >> >
> >> >Me too. She was but I don't know if she still is.
> >>
> >> Maybe she exhausted him.
> >
> >Maybe she did. LOL
>
> Must have........
>
> >> >
> >> >Has Linear A been deciphered? A goddess seems to have been
> >>
> >> Some of it.
> >
> >Do you have a link?
> >
>
> http://members.xoom.com/tsioupros/lineara.htm
Not there now. Or I can't access it because the site is
down. I think I read a little about it, but can't remember
what or where. Anything to do with lists?
>
> >>
> >> >important, as a lot of female statuettes have been found,
> >> >but we know little about the society before writing using
> >> >Linear B, which was deciphered because there was a "rossetta
> >> >stone" found. With all civilisations that we can't read the
> >> >writing of, we can only go by what was left behind, and the
> >> >way we interpret it. If human sacrifice was practised in any
> >> >society the children and young women were preferred as they
> >>
> >> It was only male children.
> >>
> >> Young women who were virgin became priestesses.
> >
> >How can anyone know that? And I was thinking of more than
>
> It was written down in all those myths and plays.
Some myths having a factual basis, some being produced by
the enemies of those the myths and plays describe. Such as a
patriarchy wanting to put people of a matriarchy, or a new
religion attacking an old one.
>
> >one culture although I used that as an example.
> >
> >>
> >> >were innocent. Apart from the annual male sacrifice of the
> >> >god-king to bring back the sun.
> >>
> >> Its wasn't annual it was every lunation, 28/9 days
> >
> >Where is that written? I've read nothing suggesting that.
>
> OK, the King died on the Seventh full moon after the shortest day.
Annual. Once a year.
>
> At that time they didn't know how long a year was so the attached special
> significance to the number 7.
>
> Then it became and Year of 13 luner months of 28 days and then a Great Year
> of 100 lunation's during last of which occurs a near-coincidence of solar
> and lunar time. Then an even Greater Year of 325 lunation's (19 years), and
> even closer approximation of solar and lunar time.
It must have been easiest to use lunar months to work out
time and seasons. 13 moons to a year. Common sense, everyone
can see the moon if it isn't cloudy.
>
> >>
> >> Eventuly the kings got it extended to a year, and then great year and so
> on,
> >> and also used tannists in their place, but that was in the transitional
> >> period from total Matriarchies to Patriarchies
> >>
> >> Also the Sun was consider an sapect of the Great Triple Goddess, i.e.
> >> Matriarchal.
> >
> >Not in anything I've read.
>
> That's because you havent read anything. Your just spouting feminist
> clap-trap not knowing where it came from.
I studied paganism for years. The western tradition of
witchraft. In which men and women are equal, and that
existed long before feminism was thought of. Anyway, I'm not
a feminist, I just dislike men being thought superior
because they are men. If I regard a man as superior to me
its because he is, not because he's a man.
>
> If you actually read something on the subject you would know I am right.
Want me to start quoting? I could hunt my books out.
>
> >
> >They didn't have to stay away as long because they had
> >domestic animals.
>
> Nope. Those were for the women and children. The Men still hunted and
> because the women had the farm produce to eat the men didn't have to come
> back as often to supply the family with food. So the stayed out with their
> mates.
>
> An investigation of the digestive systems of mummified bodies shows that the
> men ate wild animas whereas the women ate a differnent farm based diat.
All investigations of mummified bodies I've read about give
a diet mainly of grain for both sexes. It does depend on the
culture, though. A nomadic race would probably eat more
meat.
>
> >Nagging women! Nobody is a better nagger than a man who sets
> >his mind to it.
>
> I dont know of any men that nagg, but I've sure herd alot of women doing it,
> and they dont care who can hear them.
That's because you aren't a woman. Women nag men, men nag
women. Maybe I'm prejudiced because I get nagged by men,
same as you because you get the female naggers.
>
> >>
> >> Agriculture allowed men to become builders and engineers and wage wars
> while
> >> women stayed at home.
> >
> >Not so much so for the ordinary man. He spent his time
> >growing food and surviving. The women had children to bring
>
> Nope.... See Above.
I'm not talking about lords, princes, kings, and their
retinue. The ones that were fed by the peasants.
>
> >up and agriculture meant that they could stay in one place
> >to do it. So maybe women were responsible for their own
> >enslavement.
>
> Actually the Women worked on the farms, while the men were the builders,
> fighters, and hunters. (see the CH4 doc "Secrets of the Stone Age" if its
> repeated)
One historian or archeologist says one thing, another ahs a
different theory. In societies before there was writing the
only evidence is archeological, and that is open to
interpretation.
>
> >> >The cultures I listed were ones with a predominantly male
> >> >pantheon, often with the sun as the chief of the gods. The
> >> >sun is male so a male is sacrificed to the sun. The Aztecs
> >> >did it every day if they had enough victims.
> >>
> >> The sun want a Homosexual.
> >>
> >> The sun was an aspect of the Tripple Goddess so a Male was required to
> >> fertilise her. The King was regarded as a God, like the God of Abraham,
> >> meaning the God that WAS Abraham, because he was Married to the Triple
> >> Goddess.
> >
> >The triple goddess I know had nothing to do with the sun.
>
> Now I know you're talking complete pussy.
>
> "Not only the moon, but (to judge from Hememra of Greece and Grainne of
> Ireland) the sun, were the goddess's celestial symbols."
>
> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 11 of Vol. 1)]
Now I know why you're talking rubbish. He's been
discredited. A lot of what he wrote was romantic wishful
thinking with little or no basis in fact. I did read some
Robert Graves, The Green Bough being the title I remember
best.
>
> >There have always been both male and female principles. The
> >female governs life and the earth. The male governs the sky
> >and nasty things like storms and thunderbolts. The triple
> >goddess represents the ages of a person, youth, childbearing
> >maturity, old age and death.
>
> And is associated with the Sun, Moon and Earth, hence Triple Goddess.
>
> "The moons three phases of new, full and old recalled the matriarch's three
> phases of maiden, nymph (nubile woman) and crone.
That's what I was saying.
Then, since the sun's
> annual course similarly recalled the rise and decline of her physical
> powers - spring a maiden, summer and nymph, winter and crone - the goddess
> became identified with the seasonal changes in animal and plant life; and
> thus with Mother Earth......"
That's an odd theory.
>
> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 12 of Vol. 1)]
Robert Graves again. That explains it. Why don't you read
something more modern that hasn't been discredited, or try
to find accounts of the mystery cults, say, from the time
that they were practised.
>
> >>
> >> Eventuall his also became married to the High Priestess which is why
> >> [the]Abram (title of many High Kings) was marries to [the]Sari (title of
> >> many High Priestesses) who later had their names changed to Abraham and
> >> Sarah, when sex wall allowed between them to produce an heir.
> >
> >That's a new idea for me.
>
> Its the only way to explain the paganism of the OT and the use of Phallic
> Pillars.
Why? Paganism was the earliest system of belief everywhere.
It still is, in Hinduism, for example. Phallic symbols are
an important part of all pagan relion, they symbolise
fertility.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Druids were Tree worshipers and therefore worshipers of the Earth
> >> Goddess.
> >> >
> >> >Sun and trees. Dualists, maybe, but masculine gods
> >>
> >> According to the latest research Stonehenge is being considered as a
> temple
> >> build to the Moon aswell the Sun and the Earth. i.e. the Triple Goddess
> >
> >You can't have one without the other, male without female,
> >sun without moon. That is where the ancients were wise.
>
> What the hell are you talking about. The sun was Matriarchal.
You think so. I know the sun never was. Gaia the earth and
Ouranus the sky, female earth, male sky, the earliest Greek
deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
all non-oriental paganism.
>
> >> Druids were TREE Worshipers, which is why the are called DRUids. Their
> >> religion of cause became corrupted in roman times.
> >
> >Is there any information about druids that doesn't come from
> >the Romans? The Romans gave druids a bad press.
> >
>
> Try the Celts, if you can read runes.
I can read Ogham, but know only about twelve words of the
language, so no good. But it was translated. Try The Book Of
Kells, written by monks of the Celtic Church (the one that
was taken over by the Roman one). It may be written by
Christians, but it is an attempt to record the life of the
Celts.
>
> >>
> >> The Romans, like the Greeks, Hindus and Vikings were worshiper of the
> >> THUNDER God - Male, ie they worshipped the power of the elements OVER
> >> nature.
> >
> >All polytheists worship both male and female, although one
> >male is dominant. As for Hindus, Kali is female, although
> >she is the third aspect of the triple goddess.
>
> Polytheists cam about because the non-racist Aryian religions (unlike the
> racist Hebrew based ones) allowed all the gods and goddesses to live
> together as one happy family. The Jews being inherent racists only worshiped
> one god and exterminated those that worshipped any other.
Not at first. Poltheists have always tolerated and
incorporated other deities. Jews are exclusive, they think
that they are the only ones that matter. And from them came
both Christians and Muslims. But once the jews were the same
as others. Before they became rascist.
>
> >> >> The OT is ALL matriarchal (Elohim used for God is feminine plural)
> until
> >> the
> >> >> establishment of the priest hood after Moses.
> >> >
> >> >Until Adam and Eve it may have been. What can be more
> >>
> >> It was Matriarchal all the way until Moses who founded a new completely
> >> different religion based on the Priesthood.
> >
> >Moses changed it, but founded a new religion???
>
> Moses had absolutely NO relationship to Isaac (Israel) and neither did his
> people. He was an Egyptian priest probably of the priesthood of the
> megalomaniac Akanatheon, who fled Egypt with his followers after the Pharos
> death when the old religion was restored, and incorporated the religion of
> Isaac in his newly invented beliefs so as to make himself God King by proxy
> of the male priesthood. Isaac and Abraham's religion was presided over by
> female pristesses.
The jews were in Egypt for a long time. Probably they came
from the same stock as the Palestinians they kill nowadays,
and had a similar religion to pre-muslim arabs. Abraham and
Isaac's religion sounds VERY patriarchal to me, and they
were supposed to be the founders of judaism.
>
> >>
> >> >At that time human sacrifice was practiced. Of course
> >> >societies usually used prisoners of war. Can you point to
> >> >any literature saying when human sacrifice stopped
> >> >completely? I haven't found anything, so I assume it slowly
> >> >became less common until it stopped.
> >>
> >> Until the Matriarchies were all abolished.
> >
> >The Aztecs were destroyed, in part, because of the priests
> >fondness for human sacrifice. Males sacrifised to a male
> >god.
>
> Their religion was transitional Matriarchal.
MALE priests, MALE god, MALE sacrifice. That's what you
always say when you can't think of anything else?
>
> >> >> It was ONLY MATRIARCHIES that sacrificed Men, and Children.
> >> >>
> >> >> The men were the Sacred Kings and the boys were their Tannists, who
> later
> >> >> took the sacred kings place in the sacrifice.
> >> >
> >> >That is the midwinter sacrifice to bring back the sun.
> >> >Masculine.
> >>
> >> FEMININE
> >
> >MASCULINE
>
> FEMININE
MASCULINE, MASCULINE, MASCULINE.
>
> >> >So why have women been blamed for being female? If a woman
> >> >is expected to leave her home only in the company of others,
> >>
> >> They cant be trusted. Look at you and Kirssie deserting poor Aggie-tom
> for
> >> Miros.
> >>
> >> Meeeooowwwwwwwwww......
> >
> >Women can't be trusted. That's why I've always preferred
> >male friends. I only did it because Aggie-tom wanted lots
> >and lots of female kitties. Thought it would be a way of
>
> And he still does.
Mrrrooooooowwwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllll........
>
> >showing how one of the kitties would feel. As for Krissie,
>
> So Anna only ever wanted to be with Aggie-tom.
>
> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
Come over to Anna, Aggie, and she'll give you lots of
stroking and washing and prove that Aggie-tom is better off
with only a few kittens..
>
> >if she wants Miros she can have him. Poor Aggie-tom, come
>
> Krissie-kat doesn't really want Miros does she. He could never satisfy her
> need's like Aggie-tom.
>
> akkk.....
>
> <Aggie-tom trying to sniff out Krissie-kat>
>
> Where has she gone.
>
> Krissie-kat..... Krissiiiiiiiieee-kat.....
>
> Come to Aggie-tom, he wont hurt you.
>
> merrrrowww........ merrrrowww........
>
> >over here for a nice cuddle......
>
> <Aggie-tom coming over and rubbing against Anna's leg waiting to be picked
> up>
>
> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
>
<Anna picking Aggie-tom up and tickling him under the chin>
There, there, Aggie-tom. It's alright, Anna will give you
lots of stroking.
> >
> >>
> >> >preferably male relatives, and dress in a manner that
> >> >ensures that almost all her body is covered, then, if a man
> >>
> >> So that they dont attract other men of cause.
> >
> >Because men can't be trusted.
>
> No. Because women cant be trusted.
We agree on something. The opposite sex can't be trusted.
But that means nobody can be trusted!
>
> >> >promiscuous but not for women to be (I don't know why
> >>
> >> Because that the way it works. Women can only have one offspring at a
> time.
> >> Men can father loads more in the mean time.
> >
> >Of course. That's why women prefer one man at a time.
> >Instinct makes it about two to three years for each one.
> >Long enough for the offspring of one man to grow enough for
> >her to find another mate for the next one.
> >
>
> And whats wrong with using the original mate for the next one.
Genetic diversity.
>
> <Aggie-tom digging claws into Anna's chest and twisting his body around to
> jump down>
Jump down then, Aggie-tom.
Last time a tom cat did that to get out after females he
scratched me. But I was proved right and the poor tom-cat
wasn't watching where he was going.
>
> >> >anybody would want a large number of lovers, male or female,
> >> >but I know why men fanticise about it). I could name so many
> >>
> >> To keep us company when were alone of cause.
> >
> >Don't you think that women want company when they're alone?
> >
>
> Yes and that why the Harem was invented.
But there are no men to keep women company in a harem. We
aren't lesbians, you know.
>
> >> Why should we refuse to share ourselves with other women who what
> company.
> >>
> >> Of cause theyve al; got to be faithful.
> >
> >Why?
>
> Because of all the investment we put in.
Women put more investment in than men.
>
> If a man wants a slapper he can pick one of the street any time.
What nasty word do you call a man who does that? A good job
women are much more choosy than men.
>
> >> >unfair practices against women, even now.
> >>
> >> Its not unfair.
> >
> >It is. That's why women find it so hard to get the work they
> >are best at.
>
> What about men. All this positive discrimination is putting us out of our
> jobs.
I don't like that. I don't think there should be any
discrimination. But maybe women find it easier to find work
than men because many will work for less money? Men have
convinced them they are worth less.
>
> >> >They don't because they can't be. Humans are the only
> >> >species that are permanently responsive. In all other
> >>
> >> So are Cats. And most probably Rabbits.
> >
> >No. I know when a cat is in season, and she isn't in season
> >all the time. When she has kittens it could be at least six
> >months before the next time. Rabbits are the same, but
> >probably the time is shorter.
>
> Nope. The tom cat has a barb on his appendage which starts of a female cats
> reproductive cycle when he withdraws so she can have his kittens at any
> time. Why do you think that male cats are always bonking the furniture.
The theory is that the barb causes the female to ovulate, or
have an orgasm, they aren't sure which. But the eggs have to
be ripe, and the female has to be in season for that to
happen. Male cats bonking furniture? Are they siamese?
Siamese have some doggish habits and dogs do that. Furniture
and legs, all the time. Table legs or human legs, doesn't
matter. I even had a dog trying to bonk my cat when she was
in season (the cat thouhght it was a dog and the dog thought
it was a cat).
>
> >>
> >> >species thre is no interest unless the female gives off the
> >> >right scent, then she will mate with as many males as
> >>
> >> Thos are Dogs
> >
> >and cats, and any other animal. You should see how my female
>
> Dog are different and so are other animals.
All animals are different to people. That has been my point
from the start.
>
> >cats always chased the male away after mating, then went
> >after another one.
>
> Thats because of the barb which inflicts pain when he withdraws, thus
> signalling her to reproduce..
Some say pain, others orgasm. I prefer the latter.
>
> >>
> >> >possible, or as many times with the same male, depending on
> >>
> >> Thays why such women are called Bitches.
> >
> >No. That's another example of male dominance. Call a man by
> >the name of a male animal and it's good. Bull, dog, ram,
> >cockeral, buck. Call a woman a female animal and it's an
> >insult. Bitch, cow, think of them. Even doe is an insult. It
> >implies obodience and passivity.
>
> Queen !
Isn't that a human queen? Anyway, that is a name for
feminine homosexuals.
One name for heterosexual men, related to male animals, that
is a curse rather than praise, can you think of one?
>
> >
> >>
> >> >species. But only for a short time, then back to being
> >> >totally uninterested again. Also in most species the female
> >> >is larger, stronger, and dominant.
> >>
> >> Not Cats, not Horses, not Cows, not Peacocks.
> >
> >Birds are different. But for animals, if the female isn't
> >stronger she's as strong.
>
> Bull !!!!!!!!
Are they? A cow is more dangerous. Bulls charge with their
eyes closed, cows with them open, so they can see where
they're going.
>
> >> BTW how do hens in Battery Hens produce eggs. Its not as if the are let
> out
> >> of theyre cage to mate with the Cock. They can barley stand up.
> >
> >The eggs aren't fertilised. Birds are different and chickens
>
> I once broke an egg and there was a foetus inside so how did that one work.
That must have been a mistake and I doubt it was a battery
egg.
>
> >have been bred to lay eggs. They lay them without cocks.
> >Anyway, you wouldn't eat a fertilised egg.
>
> Not that one.
Definately not. YUCK!!!
>
> >> >A mans desire to procreate, a mans instinct to procreate,
> >> >not a mans right, unless the woman agrees. Of course the
> >> >best specimen would be the man that women would most want to
> >> >have children from, so the man would probably be able to do
> >> >whatever he wanted, before the patriarchal insistance that
> >> >every man knew that a child was his because the woman lost
> >>
> >> And if this wasn't the case the Matriarchal of solving this problem was
> to
> >> slaughter the Children that didn't look like their fathers, the dominant
> >> male.
> >
> >What about the slaughter of female children. It still
> >happens, girl babies killed or left to die.
>
> Thats China for you.
It was any people who had a struggle to survive. Boys are
preferred to girls in just about every culture.
>
> Have you noticed how oriental woman always look like pre-pubescent girls.
>
> The men must have prefered 8 year olds to real women and thus only women
> that looked like 8 year olds got selected to breed with leading to the same
> features in the offspring.
Oriental men are similar. Small, can't grow much body hair,
small in stature and everything else.
>
> >>
> >> The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
> >
> >For men. What's wrong with a new system where both men and
> >women have equal rights. Different but equal. Nobody forcing
> >one sex into the mold they want.
>
> So why force men into monogamy then.
Why force women into it. Serial monogamy is OK, but not the
same man for life. Not unless both want that.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >her right to procreate with a better man if one was
> >>
> >> How could she do that. Once pregnant shes up the spout for 9 months.
> >
> >After that. She doesn't have to have all her children with
> >the same man. In fact there would be more genetic diversity
> >if she didn't, which is why men have tried to mold women
>
> It would lead to extinction. The dominant male passes on the dominant genes,
> not the female. Female mitochondrial DNA is always the same from generation
> to generation.
Don't you know anything about genetics?
>
> >into staying with one man who has as many women as he wants.
> >Naturally the woman would leave after she'd had a child if a
> >better man came along.
>
> And the better man would slaughter her first child since it was not his.
No, because human hormones work to make a man protective of
his mate and her offspring for 18 months to 3 years. A lot
of research has been done recently into this.
>
> >> I already told you about the Matriarchy which was 100 times more
> barbaric..
> >
> >Ancient societies were all barbaric by modern standards. As
> >we become more advanced we should become more humane. In
> >theory anyway.
>
> Because we became Patriachal.
No, we became technologically more advanced, but we are
still stone age people. We are still barbaric, but now we
kill many more and use different excuses.
>
> >>
> >> >I would like to see men and women behave in a civilised way,
> >> >being different but of equal worth.
> >>
> >> So behave that way.
> >
> >I try to. But the majority don't.
> >
> >>
> >> Men want Harems with all the Women faithful to them. The women of Islam
> >> accepted that so why cant you.
> >
> >It is unnatural. Men fertilising as many women as possible,
>
> It is the way of life.
When men get the chance.
>
> >instinct. Women staying around a man until she has his
> >child, instinct. Anything else is culture and a society
> >forcing its values on others. Afghanistan is maybe the
> >strictest Islamic country, and almost everyone wants out,
> >especially women.
>
> Economic Migrants not real refugees. Straw should send them all back even if
> they will get beheaded.
Not the Afghanis, especially the women. But life is very
restricted and dangerous for men as well, with the Taliban
in charge. If Straw doesn't send them back he'll get a lot
more. He should send the Albanians back as well.
>
> >> Thanks.
> >
> >The first program was about Montgomery and Arnhem, Townsend
> >and Baghdad (he never made it and spent the rest of his life
> >as an honoured guest of the ottomans in Constantinople), and
> >Macarthey. It's about the last one thousand years and is
> >called Greatest Military Blunders. It is a series. Next one
> >at 8pm Thursday.
>
> So when do the get to Clinoton and Kosovo ?
I don't know, but I'm waiting for them. Kosovo was mentioned
in the ads.
Aggie-Tom
<38B985D7...@btinternet.com>...
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>>
>> The full quote is:
>>
>> Caesar: "Which do you prefer, Snails or Oysters"
>>
>> Antoninus: "Why do you ask"
>>
>> Caesar: "I partake of both Snails and Oysters"
>>
>> In the next scene Antoninus has fled the palace to join the rebels.
>>
>> Figure it out yet ?
>
>I guess so.
Oh, I forgot to mention that this scene was set in the Bathroom.
>> >
>> >A poll?
>>
>> Lek Valenca
>
>Lek Velenca? What does he have to do with it?
>
A Poll like the Anti-Christ John-Paul II
>>
>> >> The blow jobs are there as filler, to make you pay more for less.
>> >
>> >What about the guys that prefer them?
>>
>> Theyre all right in practice but not on screen.
>
>Isn't that a matter of imagination? Of course any guy who
>could do it to himself would solve that problem. That's an
>ambition I've heard of many times. :-)
My tom cat always did that.
>> Right... It not how big they are but the shape that matters.
>
>Some guys get very upset when I criticise the page three
>models with implants. They think size matters. Glad you
>don't agree with that.
The Sun doesn't use women with implants on Page 3 anymore.
>> >
>> >Do you have a link?
>> >
>>
>> http://members.xoom.com/tsioupros/lineara.htm
>
>Not there now. Or I can't access it because the site is
It worked for me.
>down. I think I read a little about it, but can't remember
>what or where. Anything to do with lists?
A message on the subject was posted in scg
Lists ?
>> It was written down in all those myths and plays.
>
>Some myths having a factual basis, some being produced by
>the enemies of those the myths and plays describe. Such as a
>patriarchy wanting to put people of a matriarchy, or a new
>religion attacking an old one.
Rubbish. The Matriarchal practises were depicted in contemporary art work
and literature.
>> >>
>> >> Eventuly the kings got it extended to a year, and then great year and
so
>> on,
>> >> and also used tannists in their place, but that was in the
transitional
>> >> period from total Matriarchies to Patriarchies
>> >>
>> >> Also the Sun was consider an sapect of the Great Triple Goddess, i.e.
>> >> Matriarchal.
>> >
>> >Not in anything I've read.
>>
>> That's because you havent read anything. Your just spouting feminist
>> clap-trap not knowing where it came from.
>
>I studied paganism for years. The western tradition of
>witchraft. In which men and women are equal, and that
The subject in question is Anthropology not paganism.
>existed long before feminism was thought of. Anyway, I'm not
>a feminist, I just dislike men being thought superior
>because they are men. If I regard a man as superior to me
>its because he is, not because he's a man.
>
>> If you actually read something on the subject you would know I am right.
>
>Want me to start quoting? I could hunt my books out.
Those are about witchcraft not Anthropology
>> An investigation of the digestive systems of mummified bodies shows that
the
>> men ate wild animas whereas the women ate a differnent farm based diat.
>
>All investigations of mummified bodies I've read about give
>a diet mainly of grain for both sexes. It does depend on the
No they do not. The teeth for example show different wear between men and
women suggestion a different diet
>culture, though. A nomadic race would probably eat more
>meat.
Depends on where they were nomads
>> >Nagging women! Nobody is a better nagger than a man who sets
>> >his mind to it.
>>
>> I dont know of any men that nagg, but I've sure herd alot of women doing
it,
>> and they dont care who can hear them.
>
>That's because you aren't a woman.
I know that
>Women nag men, men nag
>women. Maybe I'm prejudiced because I get nagged by men,
>same as you because you get the female naggers.
But I’ve never seen a man nag ever.
>> "Not only the moon, but (to judge from Hememra of Greece and Grainne of
>> Ireland) the sun, were the goddess's celestial symbols."
>>
>> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 11 of Vol. 1)]
>
>Now I know why you're talking rubbish. He's been
>discredited. A lot of what he wrote was romantic wishful
No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the discovery
of more archaeological evidence.
>thinking with little or no basis in fact. I did read some
>Robert Graves, The Green Bough being the title I remember
>best.
That was shown to be inaccurate only after recent discoveries.
>> >There have always been both male and female principles. The
>> >female governs life and the earth. The male governs the sky
>> >and nasty things like storms and thunderbolts. The triple
>> >goddess represents the ages of a person, youth, childbearing
>> >maturity, old age and death.
>>
>> And is associated with the Sun, Moon and Earth, hence Triple Goddess.
>>
>> "The moons three phases of new, full and old recalled the matriarch's
three
>> phases of maiden, nymph (nubile woman) and crone.
>
>That's what I was saying.
>
>Then, since the sun's
>> annual course similarly recalled the rise and decline of her physical
>> powers - spring a maiden, summer and nymph, winter and crone - the
goddess
>> became identified with the seasonal changes in animal and plant life; and
>> thus with Mother Earth......"
>
>That's an odd theory.
>
>>
>> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 12 of Vol. 1)]
>
>Robert Graves again. That explains it. Why don't you read
>something more modern that hasn't been discredited, or try
>to find accounts of the mystery cults, say, from the time
>that they were practised.
What I have said about the Triple Goddess has not been discredited. She was
associeted with the Sun, Moon and Earth.
>> >> Eventuall his also became married to the High Priestess which is why
>> >> [the]Abram (title of many High Kings) was marries to [the]Sari (title
of
>> >> many High Priestesses) who later had their names changed to Abraham
and
>> >> Sarah, when sex wall allowed between them to produce an heir.
>> >
>> >That's a new idea for me.
>>
>> Its the only way to explain the paganism of the OT and the use of Phallic
>> Pillars.
>
>Why? Paganism was the earliest system of belief everywhere.
>It still is, in Hinduism, for example. Phallic symbols are
>an important part of all pagan relion, they symbolise
>fertility.
So you agree the OT is pagan.
>> >You can't have one without the other, male without female,
>> >sun without moon. That is where the ancients were wise.
>>
>> What the hell are you talking about. The sun was Matriarchal.
>
>You think so. I know the sun never was. Gaia the earth and
>Ouranus the sky, female earth, male sky, the earliest Greek
What has the Sky got to do with the Sun which is in Space.
The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but that does
not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God chariot
so clearly they were two differn entities.
>deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
So is the MOON. Is that male.
>all non-oriental paganism.
>Not at first. Poltheists have always tolerated and
>incorporated other deities. Jews are exclusive, they think
>that they are the only ones that matter. And from them came
>both Christians and Muslims. But once the jews were the same
>as others. Before they became rascist.
They were the same as the Cannanites. El the Jewish god was the father of
Baal the Cannanite God, thus El was Poseidon which explain all that talk
about parting waters in the OT.
>> >Moses changed it, but founded a new religion???
>>
>> Moses had absolutely NO relationship to Isaac (Israel) and neither did
his
>> people. He was an Egyptian priest probably of the priesthood of the
>> megalomaniac Akanatheon, who fled Egypt with his followers after the
Pharos
>> death when the old religion was restored, and incorporated the religion
of
>> Isaac in his newly invented beliefs so as to make himself God King by
proxy
>> of the male priesthood. Isaac and Abraham's religion was presided over by
>> female pristesses.
>
>The jews were in Egypt for a long time. Probably they came
>from the same stock as the Palestinians they kill nowadays,
>and had a similar religion to pre-muslim arabs. Abraham and
>Isaac's religion sounds VERY patriarchal to me, and they
>were supposed to be the founders of judaism.
It was transitional Matriarchal and extremely Pagan compare to the Worship
of Zeus.
Judaism, Islam and Christianity are the real Pagan religions.
The religions of the Greeks and Romans were more advanced.
>> >> >So why have women been blamed for being female? If a woman
>> >> >is expected to leave her home only in the company of others,
>> >>
>> >> They cant be trusted. Look at you and Kirssie deserting poor Aggie-tom
>> for
>> >> Miros.
>> >>
>> >> Meeeooowwwwwwwwww......
>> >
>> >Women can't be trusted. That's why I've always preferred
>> >male friends. I only did it because Aggie-tom wanted lots
>> >and lots of female kitties. Thought it would be a way of
>>
>> And he still does.
>
>Mrrrooooooowwwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllll........
Akkk….?
>>
>> >showing how one of the kitties would feel. As for Krissie,
>>
>> So Anna only ever wanted to be with Aggie-tom.
>>
>> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
>
>Come over to Anna, Aggie, and she'll give you lots of
>stroking and washing and prove that Aggie-tom is better off
>with only a few kittens.
<Aggie-tom kneading paws on Annas chest>
purrrrr….. purrrrr…..
>> >if she wants Miros she can have him. Poor Aggie-tom, come
>>
>> Krissie-kat doesn't really want Miros does she. He could never satisfy
her
>> need's like Aggie-tom.
>>
>> akkk.....
>>
>> <Aggie-tom trying to sniff out Krissie-kat>
>>
>> Where has she gone.
>>
>> Krissie-kat..... Krissiiiiiiiieee-kat.....
>>
>> Come to Aggie-tom, he wont hurt you.
>>
>> merrrrowww........ merrrrowww........
>>
>> >over here for a nice cuddle......
>>
>> <Aggie-tom coming over and rubbing against Anna's leg waiting to be
picked
>> up>
>>
>> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
>>
>
><Anna picking Aggie-tom up and tickling him under the chin>
>
<Aggie-tom raising head into the air to revel neck>
purrrrr….. purrrrrr…. purrrrr…….
>There, there, Aggie-tom. It's alright, Anna will give you
>lots of stroking.
<rubbing side of face against Annas hand>
>>
>> And whats wrong with using the original mate for the next one.
>
>Genetic diversity.
>
>>
>> <Aggie-tom digging claws into Anna's chest and twisting his body around
to
>> jump down>
>
>Jump down then, Aggie-tom.
<Aggie-tom jumping down and trotting off to find another kittie>
>Last time a tom cat did that to get out after females he
>scratched me. But I was proved right and the poor tom-cat
>wasn't watching where he was going.
What happen to him ?
>> Yes and that why the Harem was invented.
>
>But there are no men to keep women company in a harem. We
You only need one man. And there are always Eunuchs. Miros do you want to be
a Eunuch ?
>aren't lesbians, you know.
That’s because you’ve been bread to think that way.
>
>>
>> >> >They don't because they can't be. Humans are the only
>> >> >species that are permanently responsive. In all other
>> >>
>> >> So are Cats. And most probably Rabbits.
>> >
>> >No. I know when a cat is in season, and she isn't in season
>> >all the time. When she has kittens it could be at least six
>> >months before the next time. Rabbits are the same, but
>> >probably the time is shorter.
>>
>> Nope. The tom cat has a barb on his appendage which starts of a female
cats
>> reproductive cycle when he withdraws so she can have his kittens at any
>> time. Why do you think that male cats are always bonking the furniture.
>
>The theory is that the barb causes the female to ovulate, or
>have an orgasm, they aren't sure which. But the eggs have to
>be ripe, and the female has to be in season for that to
And that’s why women are always in a bad mood at that certain time of the
month.
>> >Birds are different. But for animals, if the female isn't
>> >stronger she's as strong.
>>
>> Bull !!!!!!!!
>
>Are they? A cow is more dangerous. Bulls charge with their
>eyes closed, cows with them open, so they can see where
>they're going.
So why are the Spanish matadors fighting Cow’s then.
>> >> BTW how do hens in Battery Hens produce eggs. Its not as if the are
let
>> out
>> >> of theyre cage to mate with the Cock. They can barley stand up.
>> >
>> >The eggs aren't fertilised. Birds are different and chickens
>>
>> I once broke an egg and there was a foetus inside so how did that one
work.
>
>That must have been a mistake and I doubt it was a battery
>egg.
It came from a supermarket box and it defiantly wasn’t marked free-range.
>
>>
>> >have been bred to lay eggs. They lay them without cocks.
>> >Anyway, you wouldn't eat a fertilised egg.
>>
>> Not that one.
>
>Definately not. YUCK!!!
>
>>
>> Have you noticed how oriental woman always look like pre-pubescent girls.
>>
>> The men must have prefered 8 year olds to real women and thus only women
>> that looked like 8 year olds got selected to breed with leading to the
same
>> features in the offspring.
>
>Oriental men are similar. Small, can't grow much body hair,
>small in stature and everything else.
ie. Prepubescent.
>>
>> >>
>> >> The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
>> >
>> >For men. What's wrong with a new system where both men and
>> >women have equal rights. Different but equal. Nobody forcing
>> >one sex into the mold they want.
>>
>> So why force men into monogamy then.
>
>Why force women into it. Serial monogamy is OK, but not the
Not if you’re a woman. Women must always be faithful.
>same man for life. Not unless both want that.
>> It would lead to extinction. The dominant male passes on the dominant
genes,
>> not the female. Female mitochondrial DNA is always the same from
generation
>> to generation.
>
>Don't you know anything about genetics?
Yes.
>> >into staying with one man who has as many women as he wants.
>> >Naturally the woman would leave after she'd had a child if a
>> >better man came along.
>>
>> And the better man would slaughter her first child since it was not his.
>
>No, because human hormones work to make a man protective of
>his mate and her offspring for 18 months to 3 years. A lot
>of research has been done recently into this.
Only if the offspring are HIS.
>> So when do the get to Clinoton and Kosovo ?
>
>I don't know, but I'm waiting for them. Kosovo was mentioned
>in the ads.
I’ve finally managed to find one of those adds yesterday, right after the
episode of Babylon 5 I taped a week ago.
Kritifile
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> <38B985D7...@btinternet.com>...
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
>
> >>
> >> The full quote is:
> >>
> >> Caesar: "Which do you prefer, Snails or Oysters"
> >>
> >> Antoninus: "Why do you ask"
> >>
> >> Caesar: "I partake of both Snails and Oysters"
> >>
> >> In the next scene Antoninus has fled the palace to join the rebels.
> >>
> >> Figure it out yet ?
> >
> >I guess so.
> Oh, I forgot to mention that this scene was set in the Bathroom.
That makes sense.....
> >> >
> >> >A poll?
> >>
> >> Lek Valenca
> >
> >Lek Velenca? What does he have to do with it?
> >
>
> A Poll like the Anti-Christ John-Paul II
??????? I said poll, not pope.
>
> >>
> >> >> The blow jobs are there as filler, to make you pay more for less.
> >> >
> >> >What about the guys that prefer them?
> >>
> >> Theyre all right in practice but not on screen.
> >
> >Isn't that a matter of imagination? Of course any guy who
> >could do it to himself would solve that problem. That's an
> >ambition I've heard of many times. :-)
>
> My tom cat always did that.
Cats do have an acvantage over most people, then.
>
> >> Right... It not how big they are but the shape that matters.
> >
> >Some guys get very upset when I criticise the page three
> >models with implants. They think size matters. Glad you
> >don't agree with that.
> The Sun doesn't use women with implants on Page 3 anymore.
> >> >
> >> >Do you have a link?
> >> >
> >>
> >> http://members.xoom.com/tsioupros/lineara.htm
> >
> >Not there now. Or I can't access it because the site is
> It worked for me.
>
> >down. I think I read a little about it, but can't remember
> >what or where. Anything to do with lists?
>
> A message on the subject was posted in scg
I probably read about it in scg then.
>
> Lists ?
Was it something like a grocery list that had been
translated? Some list of items written in both Linear A and
another script that has been deciphered.
>
> >> It was written down in all those myths and plays.
> >
> >Some myths having a factual basis, some being produced by
> >the enemies of those the myths and plays describe. Such as a
> >patriarchy wanting to put people of a matriarchy, or a new
> >religion attacking an old one.
>
> Rubbish. The Matriarchal practises were depicted in contemporary art work
> and literature.
I've never heard of any that are specifically those of
matriarchal societies or religions. Don't forget that all
religions with a female deity as the principal always had a
male one or more as well.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> Eventuly the kings got it extended to a year, and then great year and
> so
> >> on,
> >> >> and also used tannists in their place, but that was in the
> transitional
> >> >> period from total Matriarchies to Patriarchies
> >> >>
> >> >> Also the Sun was consider an sapect of the Great Triple Goddess, i.e.
> >> >> Matriarchal.
> >> >
> >> >Not in anything I've read.
> >>
> >> That's because you havent read anything. Your just spouting feminist
> >> clap-trap not knowing where it came from.
> >
> >I studied paganism for years. The western tradition of
> >witchraft. In which men and women are equal, and that
>
> The subject in question is Anthropology not paganism.
Anthropology of extinct societies? That would be related to
archeology and history, there the question comes in, how do
we know what really happened in those societies?
>
> >existed long before feminism was thought of. Anyway, I'm not
> >a feminist, I just dislike men being thought superior
> >because they are men. If I regard a man as superior to me
> >its because he is, not because he's a man.
> >
> >> If you actually read something on the subject you would know I am right.
> >
> >Want me to start quoting? I could hunt my books out.
>
> Those are about witchcraft not Anthropology
Not all of them.
>
> >> An investigation of the digestive systems of mummified bodies shows that
> the
> >> men ate wild animas whereas the women ate a differnent farm based diat.
> >
> >All investigations of mummified bodies I've read about give
> >a diet mainly of grain for both sexes. It does depend on the
>
> No they do not. The teeth for example show different wear between men and
> women suggestion a different diet
We must be reading different books, or of different races or
periods. No difference between male and female diet I've
heard of. Unless you are thinking of something like ritual
canabalism, or men eating the heart of a brave animal they'd
killed to gain its strength and courage.
>
> >culture, though. A nomadic race would probably eat more
> >meat.
>
> Depends on where they were nomads
Unless nomads are close to agricultural people they can
trade with the only vegetarian food would be that gathered.
Anyway, man is not built to live on a carniverous diet. Man
is an omnivore, as is shown by both teeth and guts.
>
> >> >Nagging women! Nobody is a better nagger than a man who sets
> >> >his mind to it.
> >>
> >> I dont know of any men that nagg, but I've sure herd alot of women doing
> it,
> >> and they dont care who can hear them.
> >
> >That's because you aren't a woman.
>
> I know that
>
> >Women nag men, men nag
> >women. Maybe I'm prejudiced because I get nagged by men,
> >same as you because you get the female naggers.
>
> But I’ve never seen a man nag ever.
I have, many times, but men hate it being called nagging.
Think of another name for the same thing. It's the same as
men not liking to be called gossips, but boy, do they
gossip!
>
> >> "Not only the moon, but (to judge from Hememra of Greece and Grainne of
> >> Ireland) the sun, were the goddess's celestial symbols."
> >>
> >> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 11 of Vol. 1)]
> >
> >Now I know why you're talking rubbish. He's been
> >discredited. A lot of what he wrote was romantic wishful
>
> No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the discovery
> of more archaeological evidence.
The Green Man?
>
> >thinking with little or no basis in fact. I did read some
> >Robert Graves, The Green Bough being the title I remember
> >best.
> That was shown to be inaccurate only after recent discoveries.
Still innacurate, just that people didn't know that until
recently.
>
> >> >There have always been both male and female principles. The
> >> >female governs life and the earth. The male governs the sky
> >> >and nasty things like storms and thunderbolts. The triple
> >> >goddess represents the ages of a person, youth, childbearing
> >> >maturity, old age and death.
> >>
> >> And is associated with the Sun, Moon and Earth, hence Triple Goddess.
> >>
> >> "The moons three phases of new, full and old recalled the matriarch's
> three
> >> phases of maiden, nymph (nubile woman) and crone.
> >
> >That's what I was saying.
> >
> >Then, since the sun's
> >> annual course similarly recalled the rise and decline of her physical
> >> powers - spring a maiden, summer and nymph, winter and crone - the
> goddess
> >> became identified with the seasonal changes in animal and plant life; and
> >> thus with Mother Earth......"
> >
> >That's an odd theory.
> >
> >>
> >> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 12 of Vol. 1)]
> >
> >Robert Graves again. That explains it. Why don't you read
> >something more modern that hasn't been discredited, or try
> >to find accounts of the mystery cults, say, from the time
> >that they were practised.
>
> What I have said about the Triple Goddess has not been discredited. She was
> associeted with the Sun, Moon and Earth.
The seasons, yes, were because they relate to the earth, and
the moon that governs the tides (water).
>
> >> >> Eventuall his also became married to the High Priestess which is why
> >> >> [the]Abram (title of many High Kings) was marries to [the]Sari (title
> of
> >> >> many High Priestesses) who later had their names changed to Abraham
> and
> >> >> Sarah, when sex wall allowed between them to produce an heir.
> >> >
> >> >That's a new idea for me.
> >>
> >> Its the only way to explain the paganism of the OT and the use of Phallic
> >> Pillars.
> >
> >Why? Paganism was the earliest system of belief everywhere.
> >It still is, in Hinduism, for example. Phallic symbols are
> >an important part of all pagan relion, they symbolise
> >fertility.
>
> So you agree the OT is pagan.
It started pagan, obviously. And although modern judaism is
neither polytheistic or matriarchal, the line is carried
through the female, not the male. At least that makes sense.
It's obvious that women are the ones who have babies and
it's no problem to find out who someones mother is.
>
> >> >You can't have one without the other, male without female,
> >> >sun without moon. That is where the ancients were wise.
> >>
> >> What the hell are you talking about. The sun was Matriarchal.
> >
> >You think so. I know the sun never was. Gaia the earth and
> >Ouranus the sky, female earth, male sky, the earliest Greek
>
> What has the Sky got to do with the Sun which is in Space.
The ancients knew nothing of space in the way we do.
>
> The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but that does
> not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God chariot
> so clearly they were two differn entities.
>
> >deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
>
> So is the MOON. Is that male.
The moon shares some things with women, such as having
monthly cycles, so that makes the moon female. Ruler of
female things.
>
> >all non-oriental paganism.
>
> >Not at first. Poltheists have always tolerated and
> >incorporated other deities. Jews are exclusive, they think
> >that they are the only ones that matter. And from them came
> >both Christians and Muslims. But once the jews were the same
> >as others. Before they became rascist.
>
> They were the same as the Cannanites. El the Jewish god was the father of
> Baal the Cannanite God, thus El was Poseidon which explain all that talk
> about parting waters in the OT.
Makes sense. Where did the Jews come from before Egypt?
Somewhere in that region, so they would share a similar
religion.
>
> >> >Moses changed it, but founded a new religion???
> >>
> >> Moses had absolutely NO relationship to Isaac (Israel) and neither did
> his
> >> people. He was an Egyptian priest probably of the priesthood of the
> >> megalomaniac Akanatheon, who fled Egypt with his followers after the
> Pharos
> >> death when the old religion was restored, and incorporated the religion
> of
> >> Isaac in his newly invented beliefs so as to make himself God King by
> proxy
> >> of the male priesthood. Isaac and Abraham's religion was presided over by
> >> female pristesses.
> >
> >The jews were in Egypt for a long time. Probably they came
> >from the same stock as the Palestinians they kill nowadays,
> >and had a similar religion to pre-muslim arabs. Abraham and
> >Isaac's religion sounds VERY patriarchal to me, and they
> >were supposed to be the founders of judaism.
>
> It was transitional Matriarchal and extremely Pagan compare to the Worship
> of Zeus.
Where? Zeus is more recent, surely? Wouldn't it be better to
compare with the worship of Gaia?
>
> Judaism, Islam and Christianity are the real Pagan religions.
>
> The religions of the Greeks and Romans were more advanced.
More tolerant of non-believers, as long as the gods of that
people could be incorporated.
>
> >> >> >So why have women been blamed for being female? If a woman
> >> >> >is expected to leave her home only in the company of others,
> >> >>
> >> >> They cant be trusted. Look at you and Kirssie deserting poor Aggie-tom
> >> for
> >> >> Miros.
> >> >>
> >> >> Meeeooowwwwwwwwww......
> >> >
> >> >Women can't be trusted. That's why I've always preferred
> >> >male friends. I only did it because Aggie-tom wanted lots
> >> >and lots of female kitties. Thought it would be a way of
> >>
> >> And he still does.
> >
> >Mrrrooooooowwwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllll........
>
> Akkk….?
Women get obsessed with things like men, and can be catty.
Plus men usually have more interesting things to talk about
than women. I don't want to talk about how wonderful a
particular man is, babies, clothes and homes all the time.
But no woman likes the idea of a man who goes after
everything female, rather than just showing a passing
interest.
>
> >>
> >> >showing how one of the kitties would feel. As for Krissie,
> >>
> >> So Anna only ever wanted to be with Aggie-tom.
> >>
> >> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
> >
> >Come over to Anna, Aggie, and she'll give you lots of
> >stroking and washing and prove that Aggie-tom is better off
> >with only a few kittens.
>
> <Aggie-tom kneading paws on Annas chest>
>
> purrrrr….. purrrrr…..
<stroke...stroke>
>
> >> >if she wants Miros she can have him. Poor Aggie-tom, come
> >>
> >> Krissie-kat doesn't really want Miros does she. He could never satisfy
> her
> >> need's like Aggie-tom.
> >>
> >> akkk.....
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom trying to sniff out Krissie-kat>
> >>
> >> Where has she gone.
> >>
> >> Krissie-kat..... Krissiiiiiiiieee-kat.....
> >>
> >> Come to Aggie-tom, he wont hurt you.
> >>
> >> merrrrowww........ merrrrowww........
> >>
> >> >over here for a nice cuddle......
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom coming over and rubbing against Anna's leg waiting to be
> picked
> >> up>
> >>
> >> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
> >>
> >
> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up and tickling him under the chin>
> >
>
> <Aggie-tom raising head into the air to revel neck>
<Aggie getting very ruffled fur on throat>
>
> purrrrr….. purrrrrr…. purrrrr…….
>
> >There, there, Aggie-tom. It's alright, Anna will give you
> >lots of stroking.
>
> <rubbing side of face against Annas hand>
<rubbing Aggie back>
>
> >>
> >> And whats wrong with using the original mate for the next one.
> >
> >Genetic diversity.
> >
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom digging claws into Anna's chest and twisting his body around
> to
> >> jump down>
> >
> >Jump down then, Aggie-tom.
>
> <Aggie-tom jumping down and trotting off to find another kittie>
>
> >Last time a tom cat did that to get out after females he
> >scratched me. But I was proved right and the poor tom-cat
> >wasn't watching where he was going.
>
> What happen to him ?
He hurt me so I let him out. He was run over by a car and
killed.
>
> >> Yes and that why the Harem was invented.
> >
> >But there are no men to keep women company in a harem. We
>
> You only need one man. And there are always Eunuchs. Miros do you want to be
> a Eunuch ?
What good are eunuchs? Fat, don't shave, don't do a other
things either. Surely that isn't why you suggested them? I'm
sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
>
> >aren't lesbians, you know.
>
> That’s because you’ve been bread to think that way.
I know so, you have a weird male idea that they are. But
you've been bred to think that men aren't homosexual.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >> >They don't because they can't be. Humans are the only
> >> >> >species that are permanently responsive. In all other
> >> >>
> >> >> So are Cats. And most probably Rabbits.
> >> >
> >> >No. I know when a cat is in season, and she isn't in season
> >> >all the time. When she has kittens it could be at least six
> >> >months before the next time. Rabbits are the same, but
> >> >probably the time is shorter.
> >>
> >> Nope. The tom cat has a barb on his appendage which starts of a female
> cats
> >> reproductive cycle when he withdraws so she can have his kittens at any
> >> time. Why do you think that male cats are always bonking the furniture.
> >
> >The theory is that the barb causes the female to ovulate, or
> >have an orgasm, they aren't sure which. But the eggs have to
> >be ripe, and the female has to be in season for that to
>
> And that’s why women are always in a bad mood at that certain time of the
> month.
No it isn't. Not all women are in a bad mood then, and that
time is when it's too late for that month.
>
> >> >Birds are different. But for animals, if the female isn't
> >> >stronger she's as strong.
> >>
> >> Bull !!!!!!!!
> >
> >Are they? A cow is more dangerous. Bulls charge with their
> >eyes closed, cows with them open, so they can see where
> >they're going.
>
> So why are the Spanish matadors fighting Cow’s then.
When? They usually fight weakened bulls. That's why it's
called bullfighting.
>
> >> >> BTW how do hens in Battery Hens produce eggs. Its not as if the are
> let
> >> out
> >> >> of theyre cage to mate with the Cock. They can barley stand up.
> >> >
> >> >The eggs aren't fertilised. Birds are different and chickens
> >>
> >> I once broke an egg and there was a foetus inside so how did that one
> work.
> >
> >That must have been a mistake and I doubt it was a battery
> >egg.
>
> It came from a supermarket box and it defiantly wasn’t marked free-range.
One of lifes little mysteries?
>
> >
> >>
> >> >have been bred to lay eggs. They lay them without cocks.
> >> >Anyway, you wouldn't eat a fertilised egg.
> >>
> >> Not that one.
> >
> >Definately not. YUCK!!!
> >
>
> >>
> >> Have you noticed how oriental woman always look like pre-pubescent girls.
> >>
> >> The men must have prefered 8 year olds to real women and thus only women
> >> that looked like 8 year olds got selected to breed with leading to the
> same
> >> features in the offspring.
> >
> >Oriental men are similar. Small, can't grow much body hair,
> >small in stature and everything else.
>
> ie. Prepubescent.
They may look it, but they aren't. Selective breeding or
environmental?
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
> >> >
> >> >For men. What's wrong with a new system where both men and
> >> >women have equal rights. Different but equal. Nobody forcing
> >> >one sex into the mold they want.
> >>
> >> So why force men into monogamy then.
> >
> >Why force women into it. Serial monogamy is OK, but not the
>
> Not if you’re a woman. Women must always be faithful.
Why, if the man isn't? Or if he stops trying to keep her
interested.
>
> >same man for life. Not unless both want that.
>
> >> It would lead to extinction. The dominant male passes on the dominant
> genes,
> >> not the female. Female mitochondrial DNA is always the same from
> generation
> >> to generation.
> >
> >Don't you know anything about genetics?
>
> Yes.
Then you know that it is the nucleus of the cell that
contains the DNA that is inherited. The mitochondria contain
RNA, which follows the DNA blueprint. It is also possible
for a woman to give birth without any sperm, with the help
of science. Of course all children would be genetically
female clones. It would also be possible to use the nucleus
of one womans eggs to fertilise another woman. So men need
women more than women need men. That, and a taste of freedom
are the root of modern feminism. Me, I like men and would
hate a female world. There has to be some variety.
>
> >> >into staying with one man who has as many women as he wants.
> >> >Naturally the woman would leave after she'd had a child if a
> >> >better man came along.
> >>
> >> And the better man would slaughter her first child since it was not his.
> >
> >No, because human hormones work to make a man protective of
> >his mate and her offspring for 18 months to 3 years. A lot
> >of research has been done recently into this.
>
> Only if the offspring are HIS.
No research on the hormonal effects on a man regarding the
woman's children that I've heard of yet, but most men are
willing to take them on as well.
>
> >> So when do the get to Clinoton and Kosovo ?
> >
> >I don't know, but I'm waiting for them. Kosovo was mentioned
> >in the ads.
>
> I’ve finally managed to find one of those adds yesterday, right after the
> episode of Babylon 5 I taped a week ago.
Good. Maybe Clinton and Kosovo this Thursday? Or at least
the crusaders attacking Constantinople and killing
Christians when they were supposed to be getting rid of
Muslims from holy places.
--
Anna
Aggie-Tom
defined.>...>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> Kritifile<Error! Bookmark not defined. wrote in message
>> <Error! Bookmark not defined.>...
>> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >A poll?
>> >>
>> >> Lek Valenca
>> >
>> >Lek Velenca? What does he have to do with it?
>> >
>>
>> A Poll like the Anti-Christ John-Paul II
>
>??????? I said poll, not pope.
And both are Poles, like you wanted.
>> Lists ?
>
>Was it something like a grocery list that had been
I think that would be Linear B. All the text translated seems to be accounts
and ledgers, no plays or myths.
>translated? Some list of items written in both Linear A and
>another script that has been deciphered.
>> Rubbish. The Matriarchal practises were depicted in contemporary art work
>> and literature.
>
>I've never heard of any that are specifically those of
>matriarchal societies or religions. Don't forget that all
What about all of those "Venus’s". Even the Neanderthals carved them out of
bones or kept stones that looked like women with big breasts and hips, so
that make the Matriarchy over 200,000 years old.
>religions with a female deity as the principal always had a
>male one or more as well.
Rubbish.
>> No they do not. The teeth for example show different wear between men and
>> women suggestion a different diet
>
>We must be reading different books, or of different races or
Must have.
>periods. No difference between male and female diet I've
>heard of. Unless you are thinking of something like ritual
>canabalism, or men eating the heart of a brave animal they'd
>killed to gain its strength and courage.
No. Men had a more meaty diet whereas women ate more plants shown by more
worn down back teeth.
>> >> "Not only the moon, but (to judge from Hememra of Greece and Grainne
of
>> >> Ireland) the sun, were the goddess's celestial symbols."
>> >>
>> >> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 11 of Vol. 1)]
>> >
>> >Now I know why you're talking rubbish. He's been
>> >discredited. A lot of what he wrote was romantic wishful
>>
>> No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the
discovery
>> of more archaeological evidence.
>
>The Green Man?
Ah… That means it is safe to cross the road.
What about him. Isn’t he also Father Christmas. More paganism in
Christianity.
>> >Why? Paganism was the earliest system of belief everywhere.
>> >It still is, in Hinduism, for example. Phallic symbols are
>> >an important part of all pagan relion, they symbolise
>> >fertility.
>>
>> So you agree the OT is pagan.
>
>It started pagan, obviously. And although modern judaism is
>neither polytheistic or matriarchal, the line is carried
It is polytheistic though. Re: Angles, Nephalim, Giants, Leviathan etc. Read
the book of Enoch.
>through the female, not the male. At least that makes sense.
>It's obvious that women are the ones who have babies and
>it's no problem to find out who someones mother is.
>> What has the Sky got to do with the Sun which is in Space.
>
>The ancients knew nothing of space in the way we do.
The Greeks predicted it was there didn’t they.
>> The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but that
does
>> not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God
chariot
>> so clearly they were two differn entities.
>>
>> >deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
>>
>> So is the MOON. Is that male.
>
>The moon shares some things with women, such as having
>monthly cycles, so that makes the moon female. Ruler of
>female things.
So why is it in the Male Sky. By your methodology it should be Male.
>> >The jews were in Egypt for a long time. Probably they came
>> >from the same stock as the Palestinians they kill nowadays,
>> >and had a similar religion to pre-muslim arabs. Abraham and
>> >Isaac's religion sounds VERY patriarchal to me, and they
>> >were supposed to be the founders of judaism.
>>
>> It was transitional Matriarchal and extremely Pagan compare to the
Worship
>> of Zeus.
>
>Where? Zeus is more recent, surely? Wouldn't it be better to
>compare with the worship of Gaia?
You what.
I was saying that the Jews were pagans compared to the worshipers of Zeus
who were more advance than anyone and should not be termed pagan and most
were atheists by the time of Christianity..
>> Judaism, Islam and Christianity are the real Pagan religions.
>>
>> The religions of the Greeks and Romans were more advanced.
>
>More tolerant of non-believers, as long as the gods of that
>people could be incorporated.
If the gods didn’t preach racism lie the Jews and Zoroastrians then the
were.
>> >> >Women can't be trusted. That's why I've always preferred
>> >> >male friends. I only did it because Aggie-tom wanted lots
>> >> >and lots of female kitties. Thought it would be a way of
>> >>
>> >> And he still does.
>> >
>> >Mrrrooooooowwwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllll........
>>
>> Akkk….?
>
>Women get obsessed with things like men, and can be catty.
>Plus men usually have more interesting things to talk about
>than women. I don't want to talk about how wonderful a
>particular man is, babies, clothes and homes all the time.
>But no woman likes the idea of a man who goes after
>everything female, rather than just showing a passing
>interest.
Way not. He will always come back to satisfy your needs so why not let him
satisfy his.
>> >>
>> >> >showing how one of the kitties would feel. As for Krissie,
>> >>
>> >> So Anna only ever wanted to be with Aggie-tom.
>> >>
>> >> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
>> >
>> >Come over to Anna, Aggie, and she'll give you lots of
>> >stroking and washing and prove that Aggie-tom is better off
>> >with only a few kittens.
>>
>> <Aggie-tom kneading paws on Annas chest>
>>
>> purrrrr….. purrrrr…..
>
><stroke...stroke>
<rubbing neck into Anna’s hand>
>> >
>> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up and tickling him under the chin>
>> >
>>
>> <Aggie-tom raising head into the air to revel neck>
>
><Aggie getting very ruffled fur on throat>
>
<purring louder>
PURRRRR…… PURRRR……
>>
>> purrrrr….. purrrrrr…. purrrrr…….
>>
>> >There, there, Aggie-tom. It's alright, Anna will give you
>> >lots of stroking.
>>
>> <rubbing side of face against Annas hand>
>
><rubbing Aggie back>
<pushing feet up-and-down harder on Anna’s chest and stretching claws out>
>> >> And whats wrong with using the original mate for the next one.
>> >
>> >Genetic diversity.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom digging claws into Anna's chest and twisting his body
around
>> to
>> >> jump down>
>> >
>> >Jump down then, Aggie-tom.
>>
>> <Aggie-tom jumping down and trotting off to find another kittie>
>>
>> >Last time a tom cat did that to get out after females he
>> >scratched me. But I was proved right and the poor tom-cat
>> >wasn't watching where he was going.
>>
>> What happen to him ?
>
>He hurt me so I let him out. He was run over by a car and
>killed.
<Aggie-tom crying>
Mrowwww….. Mrowwww…..
Why didn’t you try to save him.
>> >> Yes and that why the Harem was invented.
>> >
>> >But there are no men to keep women company in a harem. We
>>
>> You only need one man. And there are always Eunuchs. Miros do you want to
be
>> a Eunuch ?
>
>What good are eunuchs? Fat, don't shave, don't do a other
>things either. Surely that isn't why you suggested them? I'm
You can talk to them. That’s what you want isn’t it.
>sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my kitties.
>> >>
>> >> Have you noticed how oriental woman always look like pre-pubescent
girls.
>> >>
>> >> The men must have prefered 8 year olds to real women and thus only
women
>> >> that looked like 8 year olds got selected to breed with leading to the
>> same
>> >> features in the offspring.
>> >
>> >Oriental men are similar. Small, can't grow much body hair,
>> >small in stature and everything else.
>>
>> ie. Prepubescent.
>
>They may look it, but they aren't. Selective breeding or
>environmental?
Perversion of the males.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
>> >> >
>> >> >For men. What's wrong with a new system where both men and
>> >> >women have equal rights. Different but equal. Nobody forcing
>> >> >one sex into the mold they want.
>> >>
>> >> So why force men into monogamy then.
>> >
>> >Why force women into it. Serial monogamy is OK, but not the
>>
>> Not if you’re a woman. Women must always be faithful.
>
>Why, if the man isn't? Or if he stops trying to keep her
>interested.
The man is faithful. He always comes back to satisfy her.
>> >> It would lead to extinction. The dominant male passes on the dominant
>> genes,
>> >> not the female. Female mitochondrial DNA is always the same from
>> generation
>> >> to generation.
>> >
>> >Don't you know anything about genetics?
>>
>> Yes.
>
>Then you know that it is the nucleus of the cell that
>contains the DNA that is inherited. The mitochondria contain
>RNA, which follows the DNA blueprint. It is also possible
damn… I didnt notice what I’d written.
>for a woman to give birth without any sperm, with the help
>of science. Of course all children would be genetically
>female clones. It would also be possible to use the nucleus
>of one womans eggs to fertilise another woman. So men need
And how can you be certain that the offspring wouldn’t be sterile.
>women more than women need men. That, and a taste of freedom
>are the root of modern feminism. Me, I like men and would
>hate a female world. There has to be some variety.
>> >No, because human hormones work to make a man protective of
>> >his mate and her offspring for 18 months to 3 years. A lot
>> >of research has been done recently into this.
>>
>> Only if the offspring are HIS.
>
>No research on the hormonal effects on a man regarding the
>woman's children that I've heard of yet, but most men are
>willing to take them on as well.
Toady maybe but not in the past.
>
>>
>> >> So when do the get to Clinoton and Kosovo ?
>> >
>> >I don't know, but I'm waiting for them. Kosovo was mentioned
>> >in the ads.
>>
>> I’ve finally managed to find one of those adds yesterday, right after the
>> episode of Babylon 5 I taped a week ago.
>
>Good. Maybe Clinton and Kosovo this Thursday? Or at least
>the crusaders attacking Constantinople and killing
>Christians when they were supposed to be getting rid of
>Muslims from holy places.
>
We’ll see.
Did you catch "ape-man" tonight
Theres a debate on right now at:
That’s where I’m off to.
>
>--
>Anna
Kritifile
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message <Error! Bookmark not
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> >>
> >> Kritifile<Error! Bookmark not defined. wrote in message
> >> <Error! Bookmark not defined.>...
What is this "bookmark not defined" in Netscape. I want to
get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
deleted!
> >> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >> >>
>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >A poll?
> >> >>
> >> >> Lek Valenca
> >> >
> >> >Lek Velenca? What does he have to do with it?
> >> >
> >>
> >> A Poll like the Anti-Christ John-Paul II
> >
> >??????? I said poll, not pope.
>
> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
the wrong kind!
>
> >> Lists ?
> >
> >Was it something like a grocery list that had been
>
> I think that would be Linear B. All the text translated seems to be accounts
> and ledgers, no plays or myths.
That's it, accounts and ledgers. I knew that it was lists
that had been translated, but I couldn't think what type.
>
> >translated? Some list of items written in both Linear A and
> >another script that has been deciphered.
>
> >> Rubbish. The Matriarchal practises were depicted in contemporary art work
> >> and literature.
> >
> >I've never heard of any that are specifically those of
> >matriarchal societies or religions. Don't forget that all
>
> What about all of those "Venus’s". Even the Neanderthals carved them out of
> bones or kept stones that looked like women with big breasts and hips, so
> that make the Matriarchy over 200,000 years old.
Fertility symbols would be one of the earliest signs of
religion, I guess, although nobody really knows what those
'venuses' were.
>
> >religions with a female deity as the principal always had a
> >male one or more as well.
>
> Rubbish.
Name one with no male deity, even a subservient one. What
beliefs, what gods?
>
> >> No they do not. The teeth for example show different wear between men and
> >> women suggestion a different diet
> >
> >We must be reading different books, or of different races or
>
> Must have.
Seems so. But if women ate a vegetarian diet and men a
carnivorous one, wouldn't there be evolutionary differences?
>
> >periods. No difference between male and female diet I've
> >heard of. Unless you are thinking of something like ritual
> >canabalism, or men eating the heart of a brave animal they'd
> >killed to gain its strength and courage.
>
> No. Men had a more meaty diet whereas women ate more plants shown by more
> worn down back teeth.
Meat requires less digestion, therefore frees more energy to
be used by the brain. You aren't suggesting men are more
intelligent than women?
There is another possible reason for women having worn
teeth, I'd have thought a more likely one. Women chewed
leather to make it soft. That wore teeth down.
>
> >> >> "Not only the moon, but (to judge from Hememra of Greece and Grainne
> of
> >> >> Ireland) the sun, were the goddess's celestial symbols."
> >> >>
> >> >> Robert Graves: The Greek Myths [Introduction (page 11 of Vol. 1)]
> >> >
> >> >Now I know why you're talking rubbish. He's been
> >> >discredited. A lot of what he wrote was romantic wishful
> >>
> >> No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the
> discovery
> >> of more archaeological evidence.
> >
> >The Green Man?
>
> Ah… That means it is safe to cross the road.
???????
>
> What about him. Isn’t he also Father Christmas. More paganism in
> Christianity.
Christmas was moved to the end of December to coincide with
the pagan winter festival. But the modern Father Christmas
is basically a commercial figure. Saint Nicholas may be a
part of the reason for Father Christmas, but the
present-giving associated with the modern Santa is at the
wrong time. Evergreen decorations are definately pagan,
though.
>
> >> >Why? Paganism was the earliest system of belief everywhere.
> >> >It still is, in Hinduism, for example. Phallic symbols are
> >> >an important part of all pagan relion, they symbolise
> >> >fertility.
> >>
> >> So you agree the OT is pagan.
> >
> >It started pagan, obviously. And although modern judaism is
> >neither polytheistic or matriarchal, the line is carried
>
> It is polytheistic though. Re: Angles, Nephalim, Giants, Leviathan etc. Read
> the book of Enoch.
The OT is supposed to be the history of the Jews, as well as
the law for them. As a history, the Book of Enoch records an
earlier pre-monotheistic period.
>
> >through the female, not the male. At least that makes sense.
> >It's obvious that women are the ones who have babies and
> >it's no problem to find out who someones mother is.
>
> >> What has the Sky got to do with the Sun which is in Space.
> >
> >The ancients knew nothing of space in the way we do.
> The Greeks predicted it was there didn’t they.
The ancient Greeks predicted atoms also. But the idea of a
geocentric universe has been proved untrue. It was believed
that the Earth was the centre of everything, surrounded by
sky, with the sun and moon in it.
>
> >> The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but that
> does
> >> not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God
> chariot
> >> so clearly they were two differn entities.
> >>
> >> >deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
> >>
> >> So is the MOON. Is that male.
> >
> >The moon shares some things with women, such as having
> >monthly cycles, so that makes the moon female. Ruler of
> >female things.
>
> So why is it in the Male Sky. By your methodology it should be Male.
It is the only thing in the Male Sky that is female. None of
the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
moon, and females.
>
> >> >The jews were in Egypt for a long time. Probably they came
> >> >from the same stock as the Palestinians they kill nowadays,
> >> >and had a similar religion to pre-muslim arabs. Abraham and
> >> >Isaac's religion sounds VERY patriarchal to me, and they
> >> >were supposed to be the founders of judaism.
> >>
> >> It was transitional Matriarchal and extremely Pagan compare to the
> Worship
> >> of Zeus.
> >
> >Where? Zeus is more recent, surely? Wouldn't it be better to
> >compare with the worship of Gaia?
>
> You what.
Mother Earth.
>
> I was saying that the Jews were pagans compared to the worshipers of Zeus
> who were more advance than anyone and should not be termed pagan and most
> were atheists by the time of Christianity..
Atheists???? The development of science and philosophy does
not atheists make. As is being shown now with modern
scientific discoveries...
>
> >> Judaism, Islam and Christianity are the real Pagan religions.
> >>
> >> The religions of the Greeks and Romans were more advanced.
> >
> >More tolerant of non-believers, as long as the gods of that
> >people could be incorporated.
>
> If the gods didn’t preach racism lie the Jews and Zoroastrians then the
> were.
By the time the racism became a part of these religions they
were patriarchal monotheisms.
>
> >> >> >Women can't be trusted. That's why I've always preferred
> >> >> >male friends. I only did it because Aggie-tom wanted lots
> >> >> >and lots of female kitties. Thought it would be a way of
> >> >>
> >> >> And he still does.
> >> >
> >> >Mrrrooooooowwwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllll........
> >>
> >> Akkk….?
> >
> >Women get obsessed with things like men, and can be catty.
> >Plus men usually have more interesting things to talk about
> >than women. I don't want to talk about how wonderful a
> >particular man is, babies, clothes and homes all the time.
> >But no woman likes the idea of a man who goes after
> >everything female, rather than just showing a passing
> >interest.
>
> Way not. He will always come back to satisfy your needs so why not let him
> satisfy his.
Because that makes the woman think that the man is losing
interest in her. Women are naturally serial monogamists and
find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
another woman that means he has lost interest, prefers her,
thinks she is better than you, and makes a woman wonder if
she is better, causing feelings of inferiority to the other
woman.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> >showing how one of the kitties would feel. As for Krissie,
> >> >>
> >> >> So Anna only ever wanted to be with Aggie-tom.
> >> >>
> >> >> purrrrr...... purrrrr.......
> >> >
> >> >Come over to Anna, Aggie, and she'll give you lots of
> >> >stroking and washing and prove that Aggie-tom is better off
> >> >with only a few kittens.
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom kneading paws on Annas chest>
> >>
> >> purrrrr….. purrrrr…..
> >
> ><stroke...stroke>
>
> <rubbing neck into Anna’s hand>
>
> >> >
> >> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up and tickling him under the chin>
> >> >
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom raising head into the air to revel neck>
> >
> ><Aggie getting very ruffled fur on throat>
> >
>
> <purring louder>
>
> PURRRRR…… PURRRR……
<Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
strokes in the direction of the fur>
>
> >>
> >> purrrrr….. purrrrrr…. purrrrr…….
> >>
> >> >There, there, Aggie-tom. It's alright, Anna will give you
> >> >lots of stroking.
> >>
> >> <rubbing side of face against Annas hand>
> >
> ><rubbing Aggie back>
>
> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Anna’s chest and stretching claws out>
Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
>
> >> >> And whats wrong with using the original mate for the next one.
> >> >
> >> >Genetic diversity.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom digging claws into Anna's chest and twisting his body
> around
> >> to
> >> >> jump down>
> >> >
> >> >Jump down then, Aggie-tom.
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom jumping down and trotting off to find another kittie>
> >>
> >> >Last time a tom cat did that to get out after females he
> >> >scratched me. But I was proved right and the poor tom-cat
> >> >wasn't watching where he was going.
> >>
> >> What happen to him ?
> >
> >He hurt me so I let him out. He was run over by a car and
> >killed.
>
> <Aggie-tom crying>
>
> Mrowwww….. Mrowwww…..
>
> Why didn’t you try to save him.
I got so angry when he hurt me that I let him out, although
I knew it wasn't good for him because he was after a female
cat over on the other side of the road. I still have a scar
from where he scratched me. But every time I think of him I
feel sad. He was a beautiful, affectionate Siamese tom who'd
won prizes at cat shows. He'd sired some possible future
champion kittens as well.
>
> >> >> Yes and that why the Harem was invented.
> >> >
> >> >But there are no men to keep women company in a harem. We
> >>
> >> You only need one man. And there are always Eunuchs. Miros do you want to
> be
> >> a Eunuch ?
> >
> >What good are eunuchs? Fat, don't shave, don't do a other
> >things either. Surely that isn't why you suggested them? I'm
>
> You can talk to them. That’s what you want isn’t it.
Do you only want to talk to women? How can a eunuch be any
good for cuddling up to on a dark, windy night when you're
feeling lonely?
>
> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
>
> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my kitties.
Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
give up the harem.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you noticed how oriental woman always look like pre-pubescent
> girls.
> >> >>
> >> >> The men must have prefered 8 year olds to real women and thus only
> women
> >> >> that looked like 8 year olds got selected to breed with leading to the
> >> same
> >> >> features in the offspring.
> >> >
> >> >Oriental men are similar. Small, can't grow much body hair,
> >> >small in stature and everything else.
> >>
> >> ie. Prepubescent.
> >
> >They may look it, but they aren't. Selective breeding or
> >environmental?
>
> Perversion of the males.
Have you noticed the number of western males who seem to
prefer teenage girls recently?
>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The Patriarchal system was more civilised.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >For men. What's wrong with a new system where both men and
> >> >> >women have equal rights. Different but equal. Nobody forcing
> >> >> >one sex into the mold they want.
> >> >>
> >> >> So why force men into monogamy then.
> >> >
> >> >Why force women into it. Serial monogamy is OK, but not the
> >>
> >> Not if you’re a woman. Women must always be faithful.
> >
> >Why, if the man isn't? Or if he stops trying to keep her
> >interested.
>
> The man is faithful. He always comes back to satisfy her.
Not if he's not there when she wants to be satisfied. Then
she may look at the talent herself. She could feel that she
has lost her attraction to men if her man strays, unless she
proves she still has it by attracting another one.
>
> >> >> It would lead to extinction. The dominant male passes on the dominant
> >> genes,
> >> >> not the female. Female mitochondrial DNA is always the same from
> >> generation
> >> >> to generation.
> >> >
> >> >Don't you know anything about genetics?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> >Then you know that it is the nucleus of the cell that
> >contains the DNA that is inherited. The mitochondria contain
> >RNA, which follows the DNA blueprint. It is also possible
>
> damn… I didnt notice what I’d written.
Tut...tut. Never mind.
>
> >for a woman to give birth without any sperm, with the help
> >of science. Of course all children would be genetically
> >female clones. It would also be possible to use the nucleus
> >of one womans eggs to fertilise another woman. So men need
>
> And how can you be certain that the offspring wouldn’t be sterile.
Why should they? All the genes for a normal child would be
there. But it would be a dull world if there were no men.
>
> >women more than women need men. That, and a taste of freedom
> >are the root of modern feminism. Me, I like men and would
> >hate a female world. There has to be some variety.
>
> >> >No, because human hormones work to make a man protective of
> >> >his mate and her offspring for 18 months to 3 years. A lot
> >> >of research has been done recently into this.
> >>
> >> Only if the offspring are HIS.
> >
> >No research on the hormonal effects on a man regarding the
> >woman's children that I've heard of yet, but most men are
> >willing to take them on as well.
>
> Toady maybe but not in the past.
Nurture, not nature. That proves that many types of
behaviour are learnt and not inherited.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >> So when do the get to Clinoton and Kosovo ?
> >> >
> >> >I don't know, but I'm waiting for them. Kosovo was mentioned
> >> >in the ads.
> >>
> >> I’ve finally managed to find one of those adds yesterday, right after the
> >> episode of Babylon 5 I taped a week ago.
> >
> >Good. Maybe Clinton and Kosovo this Thursday? Or at least
> >the crusaders attacking Constantinople and killing
> >Christians when they were supposed to be getting rid of
> >Muslims from holy places.
> >
>
> We’ll see.
>
> Did you catch "ape-man" tonight
Seen it. Very interesting, especially the Gracile
Australopithocenes who were our ancestors, and how they
became intelligent.
>
> Theres a debate on right now at:
>
> www.bbc.co.uk/science/
>
> That’s where I’m off to.
Was it interesting?
>
> >
> >--
> >Anna
Aggie-Tom
>>
>> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message <Error! Bookmark not
>> defined.>...>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Kritifile<Error! Bookmark not defined. wrote in message
>> >> <Error! Bookmark not defined.>...
>
>What is this "bookmark not defined" in Netscape. I want to
Your email address.
I had to write the reply in MS Word because OE cant keep up with my typing
with emails longer than 10K.
>get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
>deleted!
Didn’t I tell you OE 5 was bugged.
>> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
>
>Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
>please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
>the wrong kind!
What about a May Pole ?
>> >religions with a female deity as the principal always had a
>> >male one or more as well.
>>
>> Rubbish.
>
>Name one with no male deity, even a subservient one. What
>beliefs, what gods?
The Matriarchal Ones.
The Triple-Goddess
>> >> No they do not. The teeth for example show different wear between men
and
>> >> women suggestion a different diet
>> >
>> >We must be reading different books, or of different races or
>>
>> Must have.
>
>Seems so. But if women ate a vegetarian diet and men a
>carnivorous one, wouldn't there be evolutionary differences?
Yep. Men evolved bigger brains.
>> >periods. No difference between male and female diet I've
>> >heard of. Unless you are thinking of something like ritual
>> >canabalism, or men eating the heart of a brave animal they'd
>> >killed to gain its strength and courage.
>>
>> No. Men had a more meaty diet whereas women ate more plants shown by more
>> worn down back teeth.
>
>Meat requires less digestion, therefore frees more energy to
>be used by the brain. You aren't suggesting men are more
>intelligent than women?
Why not. It was man that invented the spear and the axe, since he was the
hunter. Man invented language in-order to co-ordinate the hunt. Man made all
the discoveries because he had the bigger brain.
Archamedes, Pythagoras, Aristotle were all men. So were Homer, Plato,
Sophacles, Socrates, and all the other great writers. Where were the women ?
>There is another possible reason for women having worn
>teeth, I'd have thought a more likely one. Women chewed
>leather to make it soft. That wore teeth down.
Ah so they were all chewing leather. Wouldn’t the excess acid have rotted
their teeth rather than worn them down..
>> >> No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the
>> discovery
>> >> of more archaeological evidence.
>> >
>> >The Green Man?
>>
>> Ah… That means it is safe to cross the road.
>
>???????
Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
What ever happened to the Green Cross Man, David Prowse or whatever.
I remember, he went on to play Darth Vader
>> What about him. Isn’t he also Father Christmas. More paganism in
>> Christianity.
>
>Christmas was moved to the end of December to coincide with
I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in March which
was when the year started.
Oh sod it. I forgot to celebrate the Roman festival of Marsalia yesterday.
>the pagan winter festival. But the modern Father Christmas
>is basically a commercial figure. Saint Nicholas may be a
But he was based on the Green Man and Saint Nicholas was actually Saint
Basil.
>part of the reason for Father Christmas, but the
>present-giving associated with the modern Santa is at the
>wrong time. Evergreen decorations are definately pagan,
>though.
Yes. Presents should be given on the 1st of January.
>> >> So you agree the OT is pagan.
>> >
>> >It started pagan, obviously. And although modern judaism is
>> >neither polytheistic or matriarchal, the line is carried
>>
>> It is polytheistic though. Re: Angles, Nephalim, Giants, Leviathan etc.
Read
>> the book of Enoch.
>
>The OT is supposed to be the history of the Jews, as well as
>the law for them. As a history, the Book of Enoch records an
>earlier pre-monotheistic period.
To which the OT refers to and which Genesis is based on.
>> >through the female, not the male. At least that makes sense.
>> >It's obvious that women are the ones who have babies and
>> >it's no problem to find out who someones mother is.
>>
>> >> What has the Sky got to do with the Sun which is in Space.
>> >
>> >The ancients knew nothing of space in the way we do.
>> The Greeks predicted it was there didn’t they.
>
>The ancient Greeks predicted atoms also. But the idea of a
>geocentric universe has been proved untrue. It was believed
>that the Earth was the centre of everything, surrounded by
>sky, with the sun and moon in it.
Only by the Church. The Greek believed differently and even calculated the
earth diameter by measuring the suns shadows between Athens and Alexandria.
>> >> The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but that
>> does
>> >> not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God
>> chariot
>> >> so clearly they were two differn entities.
>> >>
>> >> >deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
>> >>
>> >> So is the MOON. Is that male.
>> >
>> >The moon shares some things with women, such as having
>> >monthly cycles, so that makes the moon female. Ruler of
>> >female things.
>>
>> So why is it in the Male Sky. By your methodology it should be Male.
>
>It is the only thing in the Male Sky that is female. None of
Apart from the sun.
>the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
>moon, and females.
Or the sun and the seasons
>> >> It was transitional Matriarchal and extremely Pagan compare to the
>> Worship
>> >> of Zeus.
>> >
>> >Where? Zeus is more recent, surely? Wouldn't it be better to
>> >compare with the worship of Gaia?
>>
>> You what.
>
>Mother Earth.
So you were not on about Ford Cosworth Gaia’s then, which is what some men
like to worship.
>> I was saying that the Jews were pagans compared to the worshipers of Zeus
>> who were more advance than anyone and should not be termed pagan and most
>> were atheists by the time of Christianity..
>
>Atheists???? The development of science and philosophy does
>not atheists make. As is being shown now with modern
>scientific discoveries...
Most of the Greek philosophers were known to be Atheist..
>> >> Judaism, Islam and Christianity are the real Pagan religions.
>> >>
>> >> The religions of the Greeks and Romans were more advanced.
>> >
>> >More tolerant of non-believers, as long as the gods of that
>> >people could be incorporated.
>>
>> If the gods didn’t preach racism lie the Jews and Zoroastrians then the
>> were.
>
>By the time the racism became a part of these religions they
>were patriarchal monotheisms.
But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female god
(Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all other
patriarchal religions.
>> >Women get obsessed with things like men, and can be catty.
>> >Plus men usually have more interesting things to talk about
>> >than women. I don't want to talk about how wonderful a
>> >particular man is, babies, clothes and homes all the time.
>> >But no woman likes the idea of a man who goes after
>> >everything female, rather than just showing a passing
>> >interest.
>>
>> Way not. He will always come back to satisfy your needs so why not let
him
>> satisfy his.
>
>Because that makes the woman think that the man is losing
>interest in her. Women are naturally serial monogamists and
But I can tell you he isn’t. He just wants variety.
>find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
>in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
Wrong. Our primate ancestors kept Harems, and therefore woman’s natural
behaviour was loyalty to one dominant male.
>another woman that means he has lost interest, prefers her,
>thinks she is better than you, and makes a woman wonder if
>she is better, causing feelings of inferiority to the other
>woman.
A man goes of with another woman to expand his harem and show his male
dominance. It has nothing to do with loosing interest.
>> >> >
>> >> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up and tickling him under the chin>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom raising head into the air to revel neck>
>> >
>> ><Aggie getting very ruffled fur on throat>
>> >
>>
>> <purring louder>
>>
>> PURRRRR…… PURRRR……
>
><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
>strokes in the direction of the fur>
<Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching his back
inwards>
Purrrrr….. Purrrrr……..
>> >> purrrrr….. purrrrrr…. purrrrr…….
>> >>
>> >> >There, there, Aggie-tom. It's alright, Anna will give you
>> >> >lots of stroking.
>> >>
>> >> <rubbing side of face against Annas hand>
>> >
>> ><rubbing Aggie back>
>>
>> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Anna’s chest and stretching claws
out>
>
>Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
>being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
Aggie-tom cant help how he’s built.
<Aggie-tom closing eyes, curling up into a ball and going to sleep>
purrrrrrr……. purrrrrr……. purrrrrr…….
>> >What good are eunuchs? Fat, don't shave, don't do a other
>> >things either. Surely that isn't why you suggested them? I'm
>>
>> You can talk to them. That’s what you want isn’t it.
>
>Do you only want to talk to women? How can a eunuch be any
>good for cuddling up to on a dark, windy night when you're
>feeling lonely?
Then you can all cuddle up together with Aggie-tom….
>> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
>>
>> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my
kitties.
>
>Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
>give up the harem.
I’m protecting my little kitties so they don’t wander into the lions den.
>> >They may look it, but they aren't. Selective breeding or
>> >environmental?
>>
>> Perversion of the males.
>
>Have you noticed the number of western males who seem to
>prefer teenage girls recently?
And they go to the oriental countries to find them.
>> The man is faithful. He always comes back to satisfy her.
>
>Not if he's not there when she wants to be satisfied. Then
>she may look at the talent herself. She could feel that she
>has lost her attraction to men if her man strays, unless she
>proves she still has it by attracting another one.
So why doesn’t she try attract the original one back if that’s what its
about.
>> >for a woman to give birth without any sperm, with the help
>> >of science. Of course all children would be genetically
>> >female clones. It would also be possible to use the nucleus
>> >of one womans eggs to fertilise another woman. So men need
>>
>> And how can you be certain that the offspring wouldn’t be sterile.
>
>Why should they? All the genes for a normal child would be
>there. But it would be a dull world if there were no men.
It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same as
marriage between members of the same family.
>>
>> We’ll see.
>>
>> Did you catch "ape-man" tonight
>
>Seen it. Very interesting, especially the Gracile
>Australopithocenes who were our ancestors, and how they
>became intelligent.
What I don’t like about the series though is that it didn’t show what the
Australopithocenes actually looked like except for skeletons and it didn’t
even show an image of chimpanzee.
Also it didn’t mention that mans ancestor broke away from the rest of the
apes 6 million years ago, not the 3 million of the Australopithocenes, and
earlier ancestral remains dating back 4.5 million years have been found that
it didn’t comment on.
>> Theres a debate on right now at:
>>
>> www.bbc.co.uk/science/
>>
>> That’s where I’m off to.
>
>Was it interesting?
A bit. I learnt a few things I didn’t know, but it was all moderated and you
couldn’t chat like we are doing now.
They should have created a newsgroup to discuss the show instead.
>>
>> >
>> >--
>> >Anna
Kritifile
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> <38BD8045...@btinternet.com>...>Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message <Error! Bookmark not
> >> defined.>...>Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Kritifile<Error! Bookmark not defined. wrote in message
> >> >> <Error! Bookmark not defined.>...
> >
> >What is this "bookmark not defined" in Netscape. I want to
>
> Your email address.
Can't be, that's there. Has to be the message ID.
>
> I had to write the reply in MS Word because OE cant keep up with my typing
> with emails longer than 10K.
Probably because Microsoft produces programs that need
faster computers with lots of memory and disk space. OE has
no problems with messages over 10k for me, it's just that it
won't send them. How about you give me your Outbok and I'll
give you the message reply part? Wouldn't it be nice if you
could exchange bits of programs?
>
> >get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
> >deleted!
>
> Didn’t I tell you OE 5 was bugged.
It wasn't before it conflicted with my network detection and
firewall. That's when it crashed and the file got corrupted.
OE is much better than Netscape, which I'm using now, and I
don't like Eudora or Agent. It's just that OE is so
persistant. I delete it and an older copy shows up, the one
with the bugs that have been fixed now. Install on top of
that and I have the non-working Outbox again.
>
> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
> >
> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
> >the wrong kind!
>
> What about a May Pole ?
Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
May Pole. It isn't May.
>
> >> >religions with a female deity as the principal always had a
> >> >male one or more as well.
> >>
> >> Rubbish.
> >
> >Name one with no male deity, even a subservient one. What
> >beliefs, what gods?
>
> The Matriarchal Ones.
Matriarchal religions never abolished men in the way that
patriarchal ones abolish women. Women are much too sensible
if they haven't been brainwashed.
>
> The Triple-Goddess
She may have three aspects, but that doesn't mean that there
are no male gods.
>
> >> >> No they do not. The teeth for example show different wear between men
> and
> >> >> women suggestion a different diet
> >> >
> >> >We must be reading different books, or of different races or
> >>
> >> Must have.
> >
> >Seems so. But if women ate a vegetarian diet and men a
> >carnivorous one, wouldn't there be evolutionary differences?
>
> Yep. Men evolved bigger brains.
And women. By 'men' in that context, human. Eimai av8ropos
ki eimai guvaika.
>
> >> >periods. No difference between male and female diet I've
> >> >heard of. Unless you are thinking of something like ritual
> >> >canabalism, or men eating the heart of a brave animal they'd
> >> >killed to gain its strength and courage.
> >>
> >> No. Men had a more meaty diet whereas women ate more plants shown by more
> >> worn down back teeth.
> >
> >Meat requires less digestion, therefore frees more energy to
> >be used by the brain. You aren't suggesting men are more
> >intelligent than women?
>
> Why not. It was man that invented the spear and the axe, since he was the
> hunter. Man invented language in-order to co-ordinate the hunt. Man made all
> the discoveries because he had the bigger brain.
Who invented grinding mills for making flour? If men
invented speech, why are women better at it? Women's speech
areas are bigger than mens. Women have made discoveries too,
when they have had the time to do so, but for most of
history men have been supressing women's abilities.
>
> Archamedes, Pythagoras, Aristotle were all men. So were Homer, Plato,
> Sophacles, Socrates, and all the other great writers. Where were the women ?
Women of the aristocratic class (the only ones who are
counted here) were kept very much under the control of the
men. Which is why I can only think of Sappho.
>
> >There is another possible reason for women having worn
> >teeth, I'd have thought a more likely one. Women chewed
> >leather to make it soft. That wore teeth down.
>
> Ah so they were all chewing leather. Wouldn’t the excess acid have rotted
> their teeth rather than worn them down..
Both sexes suffered from rotten teeth. But some undeveloped
peoples still chew leather to soften it, or rather the women
do. Also, leather cured in the sun doesn't have the same
amount of acid as that cured with tannin.
>
> >> >> No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the
> >> discovery
> >> >> of more archaeological evidence.
> >> >
> >> >The Green Man?
> >>
> >> Ah… That means it is safe to cross the road.
> >
> >???????
>
> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
>
> What ever happened to the Green Cross Man, David Prowse or whatever.
>
> I remember, he went on to play Darth Vader
They never replaced him. Maybe because children don't cross
the road without adults nowadays?
>
> >> What about him. Isn’t he also Father Christmas. More paganism in
> >> Christianity.
> >
> >Christmas was moved to the end of December to coincide with
>
> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in March which
> was when the year started.
No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
midwinter.
>
> Oh sod it. I forgot to celebrate the Roman festival of Marsalia yesterday.
How do you celebrate that? Go to war?
>
> >the pagan winter festival. But the modern Father Christmas
> >is basically a commercial figure. Saint Nicholas may be a
>
> But he was based on the Green Man and Saint Nicholas was actually Saint
> Basil.
There has been a bit of confusion, yes.
>
> >part of the reason for Father Christmas, but the
> >present-giving associated with the modern Santa is at the
> >wrong time. Evergreen decorations are definately pagan,
> >though.
>
> Yes. Presents should be given on the 1st of January.
That is what I said, or meant to say.
>
> >> >> So you agree the OT is pagan.
> >> >
> >> >It started pagan, obviously. And although modern judaism is
> >> >neither polytheistic or matriarchal, the line is carried
> >>
> >> It is polytheistic though. Re: Angles, Nephalim, Giants, Leviathan etc.
> Read
> >> the book of Enoch.
> >
> >The OT is supposed to be the history of the Jews, as well as
> >the law for them. As a history, the Book of Enoch records an
> >earlier pre-monotheistic period.
>
> To which the OT refers to and which Genesis is based on.
Agreed.
>
> >> >through the female, not the male. At least that makes sense.
> >> >It's obvious that women are the ones who have babies and
> >> >it's no problem to find out who someones mother is.
> >>
> >> >> What has the Sky got to do with the Sun which is in Space.
> >> >
> >> >The ancients knew nothing of space in the way we do.
> >> The Greeks predicted it was there didn’t they.
> >
> >The ancient Greeks predicted atoms also. But the idea of a
> >geocentric universe has been proved untrue. It was believed
> >that the Earth was the centre of everything, surrounded by
> >sky, with the sun and moon in it.
>
> Only by the Church. The Greek believed differently and even calculated the
> earth diameter by measuring the suns shadows between Athens and Alexandria.
I know about the calculations. But the belief in a
geocentric universe predates the Church.
>
> >> >> The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but that
> >> does
> >> >> not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God
> >> chariot
> >> >> so clearly they were two differn entities.
> >> >>
> >> >> >deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
> >> >>
> >> >> So is the MOON. Is that male.
> >> >
> >> >The moon shares some things with women, such as having
> >> >monthly cycles, so that makes the moon female. Ruler of
> >> >female things.
> >>
> >> So why is it in the Male Sky. By your methodology it should be Male.
> >
> >It is the only thing in the Male Sky that is female. None of
>
> Apart from the sun.
The MALE sun.
>
> >the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
> >moon, and females.
>
> Or the sun and the seasons
The sun and seasons are masculine. Both are obviously
linked.
>
> >> >> It was transitional Matriarchal and extremely Pagan compare to the
> >> Worship
> >> >> of Zeus.
> >> >
> >> >Where? Zeus is more recent, surely? Wouldn't it be better to
> >> >compare with the worship of Gaia?
> >>
> >> You what.
> >
> >Mother Earth.
>
> So you were not on about Ford Cosworth Gaia’s then, which is what some men
> like to worship.
LOL..no I wasn't. What does that have to do with religion?
>
> >> I was saying that the Jews were pagans compared to the worshipers of Zeus
> >> who were more advance than anyone and should not be termed pagan and most
> >> were atheists by the time of Christianity..
> >
> >Atheists???? The development of science and philosophy does
> >not atheists make. As is being shown now with modern
> >scientific discoveries...
>
> Most of the Greek philosophers were known to be Atheist..
Who knows them? Many ideas could be equated with atheism,
but not neccesary.
>
> >> >> Judaism, Islam and Christianity are the real Pagan religions.
> >> >>
> >> >> The religions of the Greeks and Romans were more advanced.
> >> >
> >> >More tolerant of non-believers, as long as the gods of that
> >> >people could be incorporated.
> >>
> >> If the gods didn’t preach racism lie the Jews and Zoroastrians then the
> >> were.
> >
> >By the time the racism became a part of these religions they
> >were patriarchal monotheisms.
>
> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female god
> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all other
> patriarchal religions.
Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
>
> >> >Women get obsessed with things like men, and can be catty.
> >> >Plus men usually have more interesting things to talk about
> >> >than women. I don't want to talk about how wonderful a
> >> >particular man is, babies, clothes and homes all the time.
> >> >But no woman likes the idea of a man who goes after
> >> >everything female, rather than just showing a passing
> >> >interest.
> >>
> >> Way not. He will always come back to satisfy your needs so why not let
> him
> >> satisfy his.
> >
> >Because that makes the woman think that the man is losing
> >interest in her. Women are naturally serial monogamists and
>
> But I can tell you he isn’t. He just wants variety.
Women can no more believe that than men can believe that a
woman can go after someone else.
>
> >find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
> >in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
>
> Wrong. Our primate ancestors kept Harems, and therefore woman’s natural
> behaviour was loyalty to one dominant male.
Where do you get that from? Even apes have dominant males
(plural) and more than one fathers offspring.
>
> >another woman that means he has lost interest, prefers her,
> >thinks she is better than you, and makes a woman wonder if
> >she is better, causing feelings of inferiority to the other
> >woman.
>
> A man goes of with another woman to expand his harem and show his male
> dominance. It has nothing to do with loosing interest.
Men and women think differently. If a man goes after a lot
of women, how can he object to the odd extra man for a
woman?
>
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up and tickling him under the chin>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom raising head into the air to revel neck>
> >> >
> >> ><Aggie getting very ruffled fur on throat>
> >> >
> >>
> >> <purring louder>
> >>
> >> PURRRRR…… PURRRR……
> >
> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
>
> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching his back
> inwards>
>
> Purrrrr….. Purrrrr……..
<Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
over and over and over>
>
> >> >> purrrrr….. purrrrrr…. purrrrr…….
> >> >>
> >> >> >There, there, Aggie-tom. It's alright, Anna will give you
> >> >> >lots of stroking.
> >> >>
> >> >> <rubbing side of face against Annas hand>
> >> >
> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
> >>
> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Anna’s chest and stretching claws
> out>
> >
> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
>
> Aggie-tom cant help how he’s built.
Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
are and be gentle with them.
>
> <Aggie-tom closing eyes, curling up into a ball and going to sleep>
>
> purrrrrrr……. purrrrrr……. purrrrrr…….
>
> >> >What good are eunuchs? Fat, don't shave, don't do a other
> >> >things either. Surely that isn't why you suggested them? I'm
> >>
> >> You can talk to them. That’s what you want isn’t it.
> >
> >Do you only want to talk to women? How can a eunuch be any
> >good for cuddling up to on a dark, windy night when you're
> >feeling lonely?
>
> Then you can all cuddle up together with Aggie-tom….
Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
>
> >> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
> >>
> >> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my
> kitties.
> >
> >Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
> >give up the harem.
>
> I’m protecting my little kitties so they don’t wander into the lions den.
Little kittens may not want that much protection. It could
make them be tempted to wander into the lions den.
>
> >> >They may look it, but they aren't. Selective breeding or
> >> >environmental?
> >>
> >> Perversion of the males.
> >
> >Have you noticed the number of western males who seem to
> >prefer teenage girls recently?
>
> And they go to the oriental countries to find them.
That's not the sort of teenage girls I was thinking of.
That's perversion with children.
>
> >> The man is faithful. He always comes back to satisfy her.
> >
> >Not if he's not there when she wants to be satisfied. Then
> >she may look at the talent herself. She could feel that she
> >has lost her attraction to men if her man strays, unless she
> >proves she still has it by attracting another one.
>
> So why doesn’t she try attract the original one back if that’s what its
> about.
If he is still interested in her he'll prove it by trying to
attract her back.
>
> >> >for a woman to give birth without any sperm, with the help
> >> >of science. Of course all children would be genetically
> >> >female clones. It would also be possible to use the nucleus
> >> >of one womans eggs to fertilise another woman. So men need
> >>
> >> And how can you be certain that the offspring wouldn’t be sterile.
> >
> >Why should they? All the genes for a normal child would be
> >there. But it would be a dull world if there were no men.
>
> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same as
> marriage between members of the same family.
50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
>
> >>
> >> We’ll see.
> >>
> >> Did you catch "ape-man" tonight
> >
> >Seen it. Very interesting, especially the Gracile
> >Australopithocenes who were our ancestors, and how they
> >became intelligent.
>
> What I don’t like about the series though is that it didn’t show what the
> Australopithocenes actually looked like except for skeletons and it didn’t
> even show an image of chimpanzee.
I thought they were chimpanzees, were they gorrillas? It
would have been nice to have seen an image, but maybe they
haven't got enough data for an accurate one.
>
> Also it didn’t mention that mans ancestor broke away from the rest of the
> apes 6 million years ago, not the 3 million of the Australopithocenes, and
> earlier ancestral remains dating back 4.5 million years have been found that
> it didn’t comment on.
I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
swinging from trees.
>
> >> Theres a debate on right now at:
> >>
> >> www.bbc.co.uk/science/
> >>
> >> That’s where I’m off to.
> >
> >Was it interesting?
>
> A bit. I learnt a few things I didn’t know, but it was all moderated and you
> couldn’t chat like we are doing now.
Of course, it's the BBC.
>
> They should have created a newsgroup to discuss the show instead.
They wouldn't do that, too much bother.
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Anna
Aggie-Tom
>>
>> Your email address.
>
>Can't be, that's there. Has to be the message ID.
OK. It was.
>> I had to write the reply in MS Word because OE cant keep up with my
typing
>> with emails longer than 10K.
>
>Probably because Microsoft produces programs that need
>faster computers with lots of memory and disk space. OE has
It produces programmes with un-optimised code and full of BUGGS.
Why the hell does IE 5 need to index the whole font directory every time you
clich on the right mouse button to access to pop-up menu inside the windows.
It might be fine with only 32 fonts installed but it takes ages with 1000
fonts like I have even on an 800MHz PIII. Windows wont even let you install
more than 1024 fonts. Microsoft are useless. They’ve now ditched Windows 9x
and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what is being given
away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz and above).
Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than OE with a 10K
file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my presnt computer
works fine. Where do I put the new on. I don’t have an extra desk. Actually
I do but its already being used.
When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
>no problems with messages over 10k for me, it's just that it
>won't send them. How about you give me your Outbok and I'll
>give you the message reply part? Wouldn't it be nice if you
>could exchange bits of programs?
Wouldn’t it be nice if MS could even be bothered to centre the icons in the
OE 5 messages window properly.
And something has happened to my scrolling tool tips in MS Word 95. They
wont scroll. The doe in OE 4 but not in word. Why ?
Why dont the tool tips in OE 5 appear 1 pixel above the highlighted message
header and not completely covering them like they’re meant to.
>> >get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
>> >deleted!
>>
>> Didn’t I tell you OE 5 was bugged.
>
>It wasn't before it conflicted with my network detection and
>firewall. That's when it crashed and the file got corrupted.
>OE is much better than Netscape, which I'm using now, and I
>don't like Eudora or Agent. It's just that OE is so
>persistant. I delete it and an older copy shows up, the one
>with the bugs that have been fixed now. Install on top of
>that and I have the non-working Outbox again.
I think I had similar problems when IE 5 crashed my registry. OE couldn’t
send anything and I couldn’t serf the Internet, only connect.
>> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
>> >
>> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
>> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
>> >the wrong kind!
>>
>> What about a May Pole ?
>
>Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
It was you that brought them up.
>May Pole. It isn't May.
>> The Matriarchal Ones.
>
>Matriarchal religions never abolished men in the way that
>patriarchal ones abolish women. Women are much too sensible
>if they haven't been brainwashed.
Oh no…. Men were far better being kept as sacrifices.
>>
>> The Triple-Goddess
>
>She may have three aspects, but that doesn't mean that there
>are no male gods.
There weren’t in the beginning.
>> >Seems so. But if women ate a vegetarian diet and men a
>> >carnivorous one, wouldn't there be evolutionary differences?
>>
>> Yep. Men evolved bigger brains.
>
>And women. By 'men' in that context, human. Eimai av8ropos
>ki eimai guvaika.
But women’s brains are smaller.
>> >Meat requires less digestion, therefore frees more energy to
>> >be used by the brain. You aren't suggesting men are more
>> >intelligent than women?
>>
>> Why not. It was man that invented the spear and the axe, since he was the
>> hunter. Man invented language in-order to co-ordinate the hunt. Man made
all
>> the discoveries because he had the bigger brain.
>
>Who invented grinding mills for making flour? If men
Man invented the tools.
>invented speech, why are women better at it? Women's speech
>areas are bigger than mens. Women have made discoveries too,
No No No. They are bigger in ratio to the rest of a women’s brain but not a
big as mens overall..
Mens brains were far more developed in the areas that mattered for survival
of the species, hunting, special skills and conceptual thought. Which is why
women cant drive without causing accidents.
>when they have had the time to do so, but for most of
>history men have been supressing women's abilities.
I already told you Patriarchal societies have only existed for 4000 years.
Matriarchal ones for 200,000.
>> >> >> No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the
>> >> discovery
>> >> >> of more archaeological evidence.
>> >> >
>> >> >The Green Man?
>> >>
>> >> Ah… That means it is safe to cross the road.
>> >
>> >???????
>>
>> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
>
>Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
He’s the one that flashes when its time to cross.
>> What ever happened to the Green Cross Man, David Prowse or whatever.
>>
>> I remember, he went on to play Darth Vader
>
>They never replaced him. Maybe because children don't cross
>the road without adults nowadays?
Their parents all drive them to schools so they dont need to.
>> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in March
which
>> was when the year started.
>
>No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
>to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
>midwinter.
Ah, but midwinter was not in December 2000 years ago. Precession of the
earth would have made it one moth earlier or later wouldn’t it, like the
constellations. Or is the year different ?
I’m confused now !
>> Oh sod it. I forgot to celebrate the Roman festival of Marsalia
yesterday.
>
>How do you celebrate that? Go to war?
March around in a field infront of Caesar and then have an orgy.
>>
>> >> >> The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but
that
>> >> does
>> >> >> not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God
>> >> chariot
>> >> >> so clearly they were two differn entities.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So is the MOON. Is that male.
>> >> >
>> >> >The moon shares some things with women, such as having
>> >> >monthly cycles, so that makes the moon female. Ruler of
>> >> >female things.
>> >>
>> >> So why is it in the Male Sky. By your methodology it should be Male.
>> >
>> >It is the only thing in the Male Sky that is female. None of
>>
>> Apart from the sun.
>
>The MALE sun.
Only the Sun GOD was male. The sun GOD carried the sun through the sky in a
chariot. This implies that the sun and the sun GOD were different entities.
>> >the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
>> >moon, and females.
>>
>> Or the sun and the seasons
>
>The sun and seasons are masculine. Both are obviously
>linked.
TWADDLE.
The seasons were the DAUGHTERS of Zeus Themis. (names given to the include;
Clotho, Lacheris, Atropos, Thallo, Carpo)
FEMALE.
>> >> >Where? Zeus is more recent, surely? Wouldn't it be better to
>> >> >compare with the worship of Gaia?
>> >>
>> >> You what.
>> >
>> >Mother Earth.
>>
>> So you were not on about Ford Cosworth Gaia’s then, which is what some
men
>> like to worship.
>
>LOL..no I wasn't. What does that have to do with religion?
Phallus worship
>> >Atheists???? The development of science and philosophy does
>> >not atheists make. As is being shown now with modern
>> >scientific discoveries...
>>
>> Most of the Greek philosophers were known to be Atheist..
>
>Who knows them? Many ideas could be equated with atheism,
>but not neccesary.
It is mentioned in the writings of their persecuters that they had no faith
in the gods.
>> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female god
>> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all other
>> patriarchal religions.
>
>Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
>of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
>regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
Feminine plural. It included in all the Feminist Bibiles.
>> >find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
>> >in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
>>
>> Wrong. Our primate ancestors kept Harems, and therefore woman’s natural
>> behaviour was loyalty to one dominant male.
>
>Where do you get that from? Even apes have dominant males
>(plural) and more than one fathers offspring.
Remember I visited the BBC discussion on ape-man.
It was mentioned in answer to one of the questions that Austarlopithicus
kept harems like most apes.
>> A man goes of with another woman to expand his harem and show his male
>> dominance. It has nothing to do with loosing interest.
>
>Men and women think differently. If a man goes after a lot
>of women, how can he object to the odd extra man for a
>woman?
Because he would consider that an invasion of his territory.
>> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
>> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
>>
>> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching his
back
>> inwards>
>>
>> Purrrrr….. Purrrrr……..
>
><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
>over and over and over>
PURRRRR….. PURRRRR……
<licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
>> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
>> >>
>> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Anna’s chest and stretching claws
>> out>
>> >
>> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
>> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
>>
>> Aggie-tom cant help how he’s built.
>
>Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
>are and be gentle with them.
Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
Aggie-tom will stop purring if he cant stretch out his claws.
>> <Aggie-tom closing eyes, curling up into a ball and going to sleep>
>>
>> purrrrrrr……. purrrrrr……. purrrrrr…….
>>
>> >> >What good are eunuchs? Fat, don't shave, don't do a other
>> >> >things either. Surely that isn't why you suggested them? I'm
>> >>
>> >> You can talk to them. That’s what you want isn’t it.
>> >
>> >Do you only want to talk to women? How can a eunuch be any
>> >good for cuddling up to on a dark, windy night when you're
>> >feeling lonely?
>>
>> Then you can all cuddle up together with Aggie-tom….
>
>Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
There’s lots of Aggie-tom to go round. Aggie-tom is very generous.
>>
>> >> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
>> >>
>> >> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my
>> kitties.
>> >
>> >Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
>> >give up the harem.
>>
>> I’m protecting my little kitties so they don’t wander into the lions den.
>
>Little kittens may not want that much protection. It could
>make them be tempted to wander into the lions den.
Then they will all get gobbled up.
Do you want that Anna.
>> So why doesn’t she try attract the original one back if that’s what its
>> about.
>
>If he is still interested in her he'll prove it by trying to
>attract her back.
That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all back.
>> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same as
>> marriage between members of the same family.
>
>50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
>different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
But it would be female.
>> >> We’ll see.
>> >>
>> >> Did you catch "ape-man" tonight
>> >
>> >Seen it. Very interesting, especially the Gracile
>> >Australopithocenes who were our ancestors, and how they
>> >became intelligent.
>>
>> What I don’t like about the series though is that it didn’t show what the
>> Australopithocenes actually looked like except for skeletons and it didn’
t
>> even show an image of chimpanzee.
>
>I thought they were chimpanzees, were they gorrillas? It
Chimps. But all they show was stupid B/W movies from the 1920’s.
Why no Walking with Dinosaurs type reconstruction’s
>would have been nice to have seen an image, but maybe they
>haven't got enough data for an accurate one.
They had full scale mock-up with skin and fur in the Natural History Museum
when I visited over a decade ago, and a decade before that, so they do know
why they looked like.
>> Also it didn’t mention that mans ancestor broke away from the rest of the
>> apes 6 million years ago, not the 3 million of the Australopithocenes,
and
>> earlier ancestral remains dating back 4.5 million years have been found
that
>> it didn’t comment on.
>
>I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
>yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
Nope. The divergence from true apes occurred 6 million years ago, but no
explanation was given as to why.
>swinging from trees.
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> >> >What is this "bookmark not defined" in Netscape. I want to
> >>
> >> Your email address.
> >
> >Can't be, that's there. Has to be the message ID.
>
> OK. It was.
>
> >> I had to write the reply in MS Word because OE cant keep up with my
> typing
> >> with emails longer than 10K.
> >
> >Probably because Microsoft produces programs that need
> >faster computers with lots of memory and disk space. OE has
>
> It produces programmes with un-optimised code and full of BUGGS.
I know. That is where Linux has an advantage. Because it is
free and anyone can download the source code, people
constantly write programs and improve on others.
>
> Why the hell does IE 5 need to index the whole font directory every time you
> clich on the right mouse button to access to pop-up menu inside the windows.
> It might be fine with only 32 fonts installed but it takes ages with 1000
> fonts like I have even on an 800MHz PIII. Windows wont even let you install
> more than 1024 fonts.
You need a font manager.
Microsoft are useless. They’ve now ditched Windows 9x
> and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what is being given
> away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz and above).
>
> Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than OE with a 10K
> file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my presnt computer
> works fine. Where do I put the new on. I don’t have an extra desk. Actually
> I do but its already being used.
W2000 is for business use. Windows Millenium edition has yet
to be released. There will be a W2000 for home users, so
untill that happens all manufacturers should offer an
alternative OS, unless the machine is for business.
I'd like an extra computer, but I have only one desk in a
small space. I'll take your old one off you for Linux if you
want to get rid of it, but I'd have to hunt for somewhere to
put it. Anyway, I'd rather help someone get rid of their old
P111 500.
>
> When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
RISC has been around for a long time. Motorola, as used in
Macs, for instance. Intel ones, haven't a clue and I don't
think they have either.
>
> >no problems with messages over 10k for me, it's just that it
> >won't send them. How about you give me your Outbok and I'll
> >give you the message reply part? Wouldn't it be nice if you
> >could exchange bits of programs?
>
> Wouldn’t it be nice if MS could even be bothered to centre the icons in the
> OE 5 messages window properly.
It's a lot better than any other mail client I've tried.
Netscape isn't too bad, but Agent is all over the place and
Eudora has a seperate window for messages. At least they are
in a nice long list.
>
> And something has happened to my scrolling tool tips in MS Word 95. They
> wont scroll. The doe in OE 4 but not in word. Why ?
Are they supposed to scroll? I thought they were animated,
not scrolling. Try the custom toolbar or the 'view' menus.
>
> Why dont the tool tips in OE 5 appear 1 pixel above the highlighted message
> header and not completely covering them like they’re meant to.
Isn't that normal? They cover them in OE5 and Netscape.
>
> >> >get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
> >> >deleted!
> >>
> >> Didn’t I tell you OE 5 was bugged.
> >
> >It wasn't before it conflicted with my network detection and
> >firewall. That's when it crashed and the file got corrupted.
> >OE is much better than Netscape, which I'm using now, and I
> >don't like Eudora or Agent. It's just that OE is so
> >persistant. I delete it and an older copy shows up, the one
> >with the bugs that have been fixed now. Install on top of
> >that and I have the non-working Outbox again.
>
> I think I had similar problems when IE 5 crashed my registry. OE couldn’t
> send anything and I couldn’t serf the Internet, only connect.
But W98 keeps 5 backup copies of the registry and if one is
corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
again, that's how OE became corrupted in the first place.
>
> >> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
> >> >
> >> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
> >> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
> >> >the wrong kind!
> >>
> >> What about a May Pole ?
> >
> >Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
>
> It was you that brought them up.
I brought up POLLS. As in voting. Not poles.
>
> >May Pole. It isn't May.
>
> >> The Matriarchal Ones.
> >
> >Matriarchal religions never abolished men in the way that
> >patriarchal ones abolish women. Women are much too sensible
> >if they haven't been brainwashed.
>
> Oh no…. Men were far better being kept as sacrifices.
True that less men than women are needed, for the reason you
boast about. One man could repopulate the world and women
can be very realistic about important things if they have to
be. But I'd think that a waste of men unless they were
criminals, or captured enemy soldiers. It was captured
enemies that were often used in sacrifices, by patriarchal
religions as well.
>
> >>
> >> The Triple-Goddess
> >
> >She may have three aspects, but that doesn't mean that there
> >are no male gods.
>
> There weren’t in the beginning.
That begginning was probably around a million years ago, or
maybe more. The Australopithecenes, maybe.
>
> >> >Seems so. But if women ate a vegetarian diet and men a
> >> >carnivorous one, wouldn't there be evolutionary differences?
> >>
> >> Yep. Men evolved bigger brains.
> >
> >And women. By 'men' in that context, human. Eimai av8ropos
> >ki eimai guvaika.
>
> But women’s brains are smaller. Women are smaller. JAn elephant has a bigger brain than a man, but that doesn't mean he's more intelligent. It's interconnections that count. Too much of male brains are used for spacial calculation. Communication centres are better developed in women. Size isn't everything, Aggie.
>
> >> >Meat requires less digestion, therefore frees more energy to
> >> >be used by the brain. You aren't suggesting men are more
> >> >intelligent than women?
> >>
> >> Why not. It was man that invented the spear and the axe, since he was the
> >> hunter. Man invented language in-order to co-ordinate the hunt. Man made
> all
> >> the discoveries because he had the bigger brain.
> >
> >Who invented grinding mills for making flour? If men
>
> Man invented the tools.
Which early stone age man told you that? We don't know, so
men assume that men invented all tools. Women are as
inventive as men, so it makes sense that women invented the
tools that helped them, men the ones that they needed.
>
> >invented speech, why are women better at it? Women's speech
> >areas are bigger than mens. Women have made discoveries too,
>
> No No No. They are bigger in ratio to the rest of a women’s brain but not a
> big as mens overall..
Of course part of a brain isn't as big as a whole one. The
speech and communication areas are bigger in women than the
same areas in men. The areas involved with spacial ability
are bigger in men. Which is why most women aren't as good at
reversing into a small parking space than men, but are
better at explaining why the car has a dent in it.
>
> Mens brains were far more developed in the areas that mattered for survival
> of the species, hunting, special skills and conceptual thought. Which is why
> women cant drive without causing accidents.
Spacial abilities, as I just said. Women having more
accidents driving? Is that why insurance companies charge
lower premiums to women? Acturial tables show that women
have less accidents than men. Maybe it has something to do
with men treating a car as an extension to a part of the
anatomy that women don't possess?
>
> >when they have had the time to do so, but for most of
> >history men have been supressing women's abilities.
>
> I already told you Patriarchal societies have only existed for 4000 years.
> Matriarchal ones for 200,000.
4000 years is 4000 years too long. As soon as humanity was
able to develop a decent society, the men took over.
>
> >> >> >> No he hasn’t. Certain of his conclusions were discovery after the
> >> >> discovery
> >> >> >> of more archaeological evidence.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Green Man?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah… That means it is safe to cross the road.
> >> >
> >> >???????
> >>
> >> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
> >
> >Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
>
> He’s the one that flashes when its time to cross.
I never thought of the green flasher before. Aren't it
puffins that flash?
>
> >> What ever happened to the Green Cross Man, David Prowse or whatever.
> >>
> >> I remember, he went on to play Darth Vader
> >
> >They never replaced him. Maybe because children don't cross
> >the road without adults nowadays?
>
> Their parents all drive them to schools so they dont need to.
Parents are overprotective nowadays.
>
> >> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in March
> which
> >> was when the year started.
> >
> >No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
> >to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
> >midwinter.
>
> Ah, but midwinter was not in December 2000 years ago. Precession of the
> earth would have made it one moth earlier or later wouldn’t it, like the
> constellations. Or is the year different ?
>
> I’m confused now !
So am I! How could midwinter ever be in the summer?
>
> >> Oh sod it. I forgot to celebrate the Roman festival of Marsalia
> yesterday.
> >
> >How do you celebrate that? Go to war?
>
> March around in a field infront of Caesar and then have an orgy.
I thought you meant a festival in honour of Mars, the Roman
god of war. What did they do before there was a Caeser?
>
> >>
> >> >> >> The Sun God, eg Appolo, Helios, Hyperion, may have been male, but
> that
> >> >> does
> >> >> >> not mean the Sun is male. The sun was carried around in the sun God
> >> >> chariot
> >> >> >> so clearly they were two differn entities.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >deities. The sun is in the sky, therefore male. Same with
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So is the MOON. Is that male.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The moon shares some things with women, such as having
> >> >> >monthly cycles, so that makes the moon female. Ruler of
> >> >> >female things.
> >> >>
> >> >> So why is it in the Male Sky. By your methodology it should be Male.
> >> >
> >> >It is the only thing in the Male Sky that is female. None of
> >>
> >> Apart from the sun.
> >
> >The MALE sun.
>
> Only the Sun GOD was male. The sun GOD carried the sun through the sky in a
> chariot. This implies that the sun and the sun GOD were different entities.
OK, the sun was neuter if you like, but there would be no
sun without a sun GOD. Nobody to carry the sun.
>
> >> >the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
> >> >moon, and females.
> >>
> >> Or the sun and the seasons
> >
> >The sun and seasons are masculine. Both are obviously
> >linked.
>
> TWADDLE.
No it's not.
>
> The seasons were the DAUGHTERS of Zeus Themis. (names given to the include;
> Clotho, Lacheris, Atropos, Thallo, Carpo)
>
> FEMALE.
OK, same as the fates were female. After all, you do need
more females than males if you're planning to bonk them all.
>
> >> >> >Where? Zeus is more recent, surely? Wouldn't it be better to
> >> >> >compare with the worship of Gaia?
> >> >>
> >> >> You what.
> >> >
> >> >Mother Earth.
> >>
> >> So you were not on about Ford Cosworth Gaia’s then, which is what some
> men
> >> like to worship.
> >
> >LOL..no I wasn't. What does that have to do with religion?
>
> Phallus worship
Which is what I was giving as the reason that men have more
accidents when driving than women do. The vehicle is an
extension.
>
> >> >Atheists???? The development of science and philosophy does
> >> >not atheists make. As is being shown now with modern
> >> >scientific discoveries...
> >>
> >> Most of the Greek philosophers were known to be Atheist..
> >
> >Who knows them? Many ideas could be equated with atheism,
> >but not neccesary.
>
> It is mentioned in the writings of their persecuters that they had no faith
> in the gods.
Persecuters often don't tell the truth. They want any excuse
to put someone down nowadays and I'm sure it was the same
then.
>
> >> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female god
> >> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all other
> >> patriarchal religions.
> >
> >Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
> >of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
> >regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
>
> Feminine plural. It included in all the Feminist Bibiles.
Feminism...another idea that distorts the truth. Maybe if
you read both male and female oriented versions and took the
bits that are in aggreement, you'd reach something close to
the original. I've never seen a feminist Bible, unless you
mean a book supporting feminism.
>
> >> >find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
> >> >in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
> >>
> >> Wrong. Our primate ancestors kept Harems, and therefore woman’s natural
> >> behaviour was loyalty to one dominant male.
> >
> >Where do you get that from? Even apes have dominant males
> >(plural) and more than one fathers offspring.
>
> Remember I visited the BBC discussion on ape-man.
>
> It was mentioned in answer to one of the questions that Austarlopithicus
> kept harems like most apes.
I was going by the gorrilla model, which some say is closest
to human.
>
> >> A man goes of with another woman to expand his harem and show his male
> >> dominance. It has nothing to do with loosing interest.
> >
> >Men and women think differently. If a man goes after a lot
> >of women, how can he object to the odd extra man for a
> >woman?
>
> Because he would consider that an invasion of his territory.
A woman isn't territory, or property. She is a human being
in her own right. I'd understand if she wanted a spare man
in the regular one's house, or bed, but not otherwise. If he
wants a faithful woman he has to be the same.
>
> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching his
> back
> >> inwards>
> >>
> >> Purrrrr….. Purrrrr……..
> >
> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
> >over and over and over>
>
> PURRRRR….. PURRRRR……
>
> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
<Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
Aggie-tom's cheeks>
>
> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
> >> >>
> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Anna’s chest and stretching claws
> >> out>
> >> >
> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
> >>
> >> Aggie-tom cant help how he’s built.
> >
> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
> >are and be gentle with them.
>
> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
>
> Aggie-tom will stop purring if he cant stretch out his claws.
Anna's wearing some old leather that Aggie-tom can stretch
his claws on as much as he wants, now.
>
> >> <Aggie-tom closing eyes, curling up into a ball and going to sleep>
> >>
> >> purrrrrrr……. purrrrrr……. purrrrrr…….
> >>
> >> >> >What good are eunuchs? Fat, don't shave, don't do a other
> >> >> >things either. Surely that isn't why you suggested them? I'm
> >> >>
> >> >> You can talk to them. That’s what you want isn’t it.
> >> >
> >> >Do you only want to talk to women? How can a eunuch be any
> >> >good for cuddling up to on a dark, windy night when you're
> >> >feeling lonely?
> >>
> >> Then you can all cuddle up together with Aggie-tom….
> >
> >Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
>
> There’s lots of Aggie-tom to go round. Aggie-tom is very generous.
Is Aggie-tom very generously built then?
>
> >>
> >> >> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
> >> >>
> >> >> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my
> >> kitties.
> >> >
> >> >Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
> >> >give up the harem.
> >>
> >> I’m protecting my little kitties so they don’t wander into the lions den.
> >
> >Little kittens may not want that much protection. It could
> >make them be tempted to wander into the lions den.
>
> Then they will all get gobbled up.
Lions wouldn't gobble up all the little kittens.
>
> Do you want that Anna.
>
> >> So why doesn’t she try attract the original one back if that’s what its
> >> about.
> >
> >If he is still interested in her he'll prove it by trying to
> >attract her back.
>
> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all back.
And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
them back.
>
> >> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same as
> >> marriage between members of the same family.
> >
> >50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
> >different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
>
> But it would be female.
Of course it would. That's why I don't like the idea. I like
men, they are often more interesting than women. But a
female-only population would be viable.
>
> >> >> We’ll see.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you catch "ape-man" tonight
> >> >
> >> >Seen it. Very interesting, especially the Gracile
> >> >Australopithocenes who were our ancestors, and how they
> >> >became intelligent.
> >>
> >> What I don’t like about the series though is that it didn’t show what the
> >> Australopithocenes actually looked like except for skeletons and it didn’
> t
> >> even show an image of chimpanzee.
> >
> >I thought they were chimpanzees, were they gorrillas? It
>
> Chimps. But all they show was stupid B/W movies from the 1920’s.
>
> Why no Walking with Dinosaurs type reconstruction’s
I was hoping for that as well. It was a big disapointment
not having anything like that.
>
> >would have been nice to have seen an image, but maybe they
> >haven't got enough data for an accurate one.
>
> They had full scale mock-up with skin and fur in the Natural History Museum
> when I visited over a decade ago, and a decade before that, so they do know
> why they looked like.
I think a lot of those mockups were based on ideas that are
known to be incorrect now. Fossils of the 'Lucy' type are
very rare and usually are very incomplete.
>
> >> Also it didn’t mention that mans ancestor broke away from the rest of the
> >> apes 6 million years ago, not the 3 million of the Australopithocenes,
> and
> >> earlier ancestral remains dating back 4.5 million years have been found
> that
> >> it didn’t comment on.
> >
> >I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
> >yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
>
> Nope. The divergence from true apes occurred 6 million years ago, but no
> explanation was given as to why.
The upright ape was a mutation that could see further by
standing up when there weren't any trees? They did give the
reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
find.
>
> >swinging from trees.
Agamemnon
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> >> >What is this "bookmark not defined" in Netscape. I want to
>> >>
>> >> Your email address.
>> >
>> >Can't be, that's there. Has to be the message ID.
>>
>> OK. It was.
>>
>> >> I had to write the reply in MS Word because OE cant keep up with
my
>> typing
>> >> with emails longer than 10K.
>> >
>> >Probably because Microsoft produces programs that need
>> >faster computers with lots of memory and disk space. OE has
>>
>> It produces programmes with un-optimised code and full of BUGGS.
>
>I know. That is where Linux has an advantage. Because it is
>free and anyone can download the source code, people
>constantly write programs and improve on others.
If MicroCrap dont bring down the price of Windows2000 to a reasonable
level Linux will soon take over from W9x as the standard home operating
system.
>
>>
>> Why the hell does IE 5 need to index the whole font directory every
time you
>> clich on the right mouse button to access to pop-up menu inside the
windows.
>> It might be fine with only 32 fonts installed but it takes ages with
1000
>> fonts like I have even on an 800MHz PIII. Windows wont even let you
install
>> more than 1024 fonts.
>
>You need a font manager.
I tried using one of those but it couldn’t handle more then 100 fonts
already installed and kept crashing every time it tried to index them.
>
>Microsoft are useless. They’ve now ditched Windows 9x
>> and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what is
being given
>> away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz and
above).
>>
>> Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than OE with
a 10K
>> file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my presnt
computer
>> works fine. Where do I put the new on. I don’t have an extra desk.
Actually
>> I do but its already being used.
>
>W2000 is for business use. Windows Millenium edition has yet
>to be released. There will be a W2000 for home users, so
Windows Millennium is a PILE OF CRAP and still base on 16bit
architecture.
>untill that happens all manufacturers should offer an
>alternative OS, unless the machine is for business.
>I'd like an extra computer, but I have only one desk in a
>small space. I'll take your old one off you for Linux if you
>want to get rid of it, but I'd have to hunt for somewhere to
You can have it but only after I’ve taken my SCSI adapter, Sound Card
and SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
Why don’t they sell machines without CD Rom’s and SoundCards any more.
Why should I have to buy a new computer filled with Inferior OEM
versions of hardware when I’ve already got full versions by better
manufactures. OK I could buy the box, motherboard, monitor and
processor separately but it would still come to more than buying a
ready built PC filled with Crap I don’t want.
>put it. Anyway, I'd rather help someone get rid of their old
>P111 500.
>> When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
>
>RISC has been around for a long time. Motorola, as used in
>Macs, for instance. Intel ones, haven't a clue and I don't
>think they have either.
But the Mac’s aren’t 64 bit yet. When is a 64bit OS coming out.
Why are games machines now 128bit but PC and Mac are still lagging
behind at 32bit
What ever happened to the doubling in processor speed every 18 months.
This time 5 years ago the P100 came out and now we’re only up to
800MHz. It should be 1000MHz
>> >no problems with messages over 10k for me, it's just that it
>> >won't send them. How about you give me your Outbok and I'll
>> >give you the message reply part? Wouldn't it be nice if you
>> >could exchange bits of programs?
>>
>> Wouldn’t it be nice if MS could even be bothered to centre the icons
in the
>> OE 5 messages window properly.
>
>It's a lot better than any other mail client I've tried.
>Netscape isn't too bad, but Agent is all over the place and
>Eudora has a seperate window for messages. At least they are
>in a nice long list.
>
>>
>> And something has happened to my scrolling tool tips in MS Word 95.
They
>> wont scroll. The doe in OE 4 but not in word. Why ?
>
>Are they supposed to scroll? I thought they were animated,
>not scrolling. Try the custom toolbar or the 'view' menus.
The menus in Word 95 scroll down, but the tool tips dont.
>> Why dont the tool tips in OE 5 appear 1 pixel above the highlighted
message
>> header and not completely covering them like they’re meant to.
>
>Isn't that normal? They cover them in OE5 and Netscape.
No it is not normal. They are 1 pixel out of alignment. They should
cover all of the text but when you hover the mouse pointer over the
header the text turns yellow and jumps up 1 pixel. The Icons like the
pair of glasses in the columns to the left of the headers are not
centred in their columns either. How could MicroCrap overlook this. Its
starring them in the face. They dont give a fu’k if the cant fix a bug
that is so obvious.
>> >> >get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
>> >> >deleted!
>> >>
>> >> Didn’t I tell you OE 5 was bugged.
>> >
>> >It wasn't before it conflicted with my network detection and
>> >firewall. That's when it crashed and the file got corrupted.
>> >OE is much better than Netscape, which I'm using now, and I
>> >don't like Eudora or Agent. It's just that OE is so
>> >persistant. I delete it and an older copy shows up, the one
>> >with the bugs that have been fixed now. Install on top of
>> >that and I have the non-working Outbox again.
>>
>> I think I had similar problems when IE 5 crashed my registry. OE
couldn’t
>> send anything and I couldn’t serf the Internet, only connect.
>
>But W98 keeps 5 backup copies of the registry and if one is
5 ? I cant see 5. Where are they. W95 only kept 1 and that was
corrupted also, or morel likely it got corrupted as soon as it got
booted with IE5 installed.
>corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
>delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
>registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
>computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
>Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
W98 has done that to me also. I click on a link in IE 4 or in an e-mail
and it re-boots for no apparent reason.
>again, that's how OE became corrupted in the first place.
The last time it done that to me it corrupted my active news groups
file and it was impossible to re-load it until I deleted the whole news
folder and set-up all of up my account details from scratch.
>> >> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
>> >> >
>> >> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
>> >> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
>> >> >the wrong kind!
>> >>
>> >> What about a May Pole ?
>> >
>> >Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
>>
>> It was you that brought them up.
>
>I brought up POLLS. As in voting. Not poles.
Oh polls.
So are you gong to set one up.
>> >May Pole. It isn't May.
>>
>> >Who invented grinding mills for making flour? If men
>>
>> Man invented the tools.
>
>Which early stone age man told you that? We don't know, so
>men assume that men invented all tools. Women are as
>inventive as men, so it makes sense that women invented the
>tools that helped them, men the ones that they needed.
Look at the cave paintings. Painted by Men, and depicting men in the
hunt, using tools like spears axes.
>> >invented speech, why are women better at it? Women's speech
>> >areas are bigger than mens. Women have made discoveries too,
>>
>> No No No. They are bigger in ratio to the rest of a women’s brain
but not a
>> big as mens overall..
>
>Of course part of a brain isn't as big as a whole one. The
>speech and communication areas are bigger in women than the
>same areas in men. The areas involved with spacial ability
bigger in ratio but not necessarily in overall size.
>are bigger in men. Which is why most women aren't as good at
>reversing into a small parking space than men, but are
>better at explaining why the car has a dent in it.
>
>> Mens brains were far more developed in the areas that mattered for
survival
>> of the species, hunting, special skills and conceptual thought.
Which is why
>> women cant drive without causing accidents.
>
>Spacial abilities, as I just said. Women having more
>accidents driving? Is that why insurance companies charge
>lower premiums to women? Acturial tables show that women
>have less accidents than men. Maybe it has something to do
That’s because there are less women on the road.
Proportionately women cause more accidents than men.
>with men treating a car as an extension to a part of the
>anatomy that women don't possess?
No, its because women don’t know how to drive and cause the men infront
or behind them to have accidents avoiding their dangerous manoeuvring.
>> >when they have had the time to do so, but for most of
>> >history men have been supressing women's abilities.
>>
>> I already told you Patriarchal societies have only existed for 4000
years.
>> Matriarchal ones for 200,000.
>
>4000 years is 4000 years too long. As soon as humanity was
>able to develop a decent society, the men took over.
It only developed into a decent society when men took over. 200,000
years of stagnation and then man the inventor brought about the dawn of
civilisation when he broker free of his chains.
>> >>
>> >> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
>> >
>> >Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
>>
>> He’s the one that flashes when its time to cross.
>
>I never thought of the green flasher before. Aren't it
>puffins that flash?
No, you mean Pelicans.
>>
>> >> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in
March
>> which
>> >> was when the year started.
>> >
>> >No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
>> >to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
>> >midwinter.
>>
>> Ah, but midwinter was not in December 2000 years ago. Precession of
the
>> earth would have made it one moth earlier or later wouldn’t it, like
the
>> constellations. Or is the year different ?
>>
>> I’m confused now !
>
>So am I! How could midwinter ever be in the summer?
The months were different places. Every 24,000 years or so the earth’s
axis processes.
>> >> Oh sod it. I forgot to celebrate the Roman festival of Marsalia
>> yesterday.
>> >
>> >How do you celebrate that? Go to war?
>>
>> March around in a field infront of Caesar and then have an orgy.
>
>I thought you meant a festival in honour of Mars, the Roman
>god of war. What did they do before there was a Caeser?
Marched around in a field infront of the Pro-Consuls and then had an
orgy
>> >The MALE sun.
>>
>> Only the Sun GOD was male. The sun GOD carried the sun through the
sky in a
>> chariot. This implies that the sun and the sun GOD were different
entities.
>
>OK, the sun was neuter if you like, but there would be no
>sun without a sun GOD. Nobody to carry the sun.
The sun was an aspect of the Triple Goddess.
Why else would she be called the Triple Goddess, which comprised of the
Earth, Moon and Sun.
Because the sun God carried the sun in his chariot it ensured that no
human sacrifices were necessary to the Triple Goddess to make the sun
rise every day.
>> >> >the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
>> >> >moon, and females.
>> >>
>> >> Or the sun and the seasons
>> >
>> >The sun and seasons are masculine. Both are obviously
>> >linked.
>>
>> TWADDLE.
>
>No it's not.
>
>>
>> The seasons were the DAUGHTERS of Zeus Themis. (names given to the
include;
>> Clotho, Lacheris, Atropos, Thallo, Carpo)
>>
>> FEMALE.
>
>OK, same as the fates were female. After all, you do need
>more females than males if you're planning to bonk them all.
>
Of cause.
>> >LOL..no I wasn't. What does that have to do with religion?
>>
>> Phallus worship
>
>Which is what I was giving as the reason that men have more
>accidents when driving than women do. The vehicle is an
>extension.
So it is more under control then isn’t it, being a natural extension.
>>
>> >> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a
female god
>> >> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all
other
>> >> patriarchal religions.
>> >
>> >Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
>> >of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
>> >regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
>>
>> Feminine plural. It included in all the Feminist Bibiles.
>
>Feminism...another idea that distorts the truth. Maybe if
>you read both male and female oriented versions and took the
>bits that are in aggreement, you'd reach something close to
>the original. I've never seen a feminist Bible, unless you
depends what you mean by original.
>mean a book supporting feminism.
No. Feminist bibles translate Elohim correctly as a feminine plural
rather than replacing it with god.
>> >> >find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
>> >> >in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
>> >>
>> >> Wrong. Our primate ancestors kept Harems, and therefore woman’s
natural
>> >> behaviour was loyalty to one dominant male.
>> >
>> >Where do you get that from? Even apes have dominant males
>> >(plural) and more than one fathers offspring.
>>
>> Remember I visited the BBC discussion on ape-man.
>>
>> It was mentioned in answer to one of the questions that
Austarlopithicus
>> kept harems like most apes.
>
>I was going by the gorrilla model, which some say is closest
>to human.
Gorillas have nothing to do with the development of humans. They are a
completely different genus. It is only Chimpanzees that share the same
ancestor as humans. Go back 6 million years and the common ancestor was
almost chimp like, then they started to diverge
>> >> A man goes of with another woman to expand his harem and show his
male
>> >> dominance. It has nothing to do with loosing interest.
>> >
>> >Men and women think differently. If a man goes after a lot
>> >of women, how can he object to the odd extra man for a
>> >woman?
>>
>> Because he would consider that an invasion of his territory.
>
>A woman isn't territory, or property. She is a human being
>in her own right. I'd understand if she wanted a spare man
>in the regular one's house, or bed, but not otherwise. If he
>wants a faithful woman he has to be the same.
That would be an invasion of the males territory. Men do not like their
territory invaded or their property stolen. The impostor would face a
fight and be killed by the dominant male if he persisted.
>> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
>> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and
arching his
>> back
>> >> inwards>
>> >>
>> >> Purrrrr….. Purrrrr……..
>> >
>> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
>> >over and over and over>
>>
>> PURRRRR….. PURRRRR……
>>
>> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
>
><Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
>Aggie-tom's cheeks>
<Aggie-tom rubbing cheeks into Annas hand and raising head so he can be
tickled under the chin>
>> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Anna’s chest and
stretching claws
>> >> out>
>> >> >
>> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
>> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
>> >>
>> >> Aggie-tom cant help how he’s built.
>> >
>> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
>> >are and be gentle with them.
>>
>> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
>
>Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
>doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
But a leather jacket isn’t as warm for Aggie-tom and its more difficult
to hold onto.
>>
>> Aggie-tom will stop purring if he cant stretch out his claws.
>
>Anna's wearing some old leather that Aggie-tom can stretch
>his claws on as much as he wants, now.
<Aggie-tom trying to grip onto the leather but his claws slip off and
so stops purring>
<Aggie-tom climbing onto Anna’s shoulder and re-starting his purring as
he starts kneading his paws into Anna’s hair>
purrrrrr…… purrrrrr….. purrrrrr…..
>> >Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
>>
>> There’s lots of Aggie-tom to go round. Aggie-tom is very generous.
>
>Is Aggie-tom very generously built then?
Aggie-tom is not fat…..
He is referring to his appendages.
>> >> >> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal
my
>> >> kitties.
>> >> >
>> >> >Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
>> >> >give up the harem.
>> >>
>> >> I’m protecting my little kitties so they don’t wander into the
lions den.
>> >
>> >Little kittens may not want that much protection. It could
>> >make them be tempted to wander into the lions den.
>>
>> Then they will all get gobbled up.
>
>Lions wouldn't gobble up all the little kittens.
Don’t bet on that.
>> Do you want that Anna.
>>
>> >> So why doesn’t she try attract the original one back if that’s
what its
>> >> about.
>> >
>> >If he is still interested in her he'll prove it by trying to
>> >attract her back.
>>
>> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all
back.
>
>And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
>because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
>one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
>them back.
Aggie-tom is spending lots of time with Anna. What is she complaining
about.
Krissie-kat is nowhere to be found. Where could she be.
>> >> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility.
Same as
>> >> marriage between members of the same family.
>> >
>> >50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
>> >different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
>>
>> But it would be female.
>
>Of course it would. That's why I don't like the idea. I like
>men, they are often more interesting than women. But a
>female-only population would be viable.
Only it there weren’t any natural disasters and then everyone would
become extinct.
>> >I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
>> >yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
>>
>> Nope. The divergence from true apes occurred 6 million years ago,
but no
>> explanation was given as to why.
>
>The upright ape was a mutation that could see further by
>standing up when there weren't any trees? They did give the
Not according to the online debate. The early hominids stood upright in-
order to regulate their body temperature more easily in the sun.
>reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
>climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
>find.
Only in the areas where hominids developed. Chimps still use rocks to
break open nuts and berries as doe squirrels so that sort of behaviour
was already present while they were in the trees.
The change in clime force the out of the trees and into eating meat so
their brains developed faster
>> >swinging from trees.
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Aggie-Tom
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> >> >What is this "bookmark not defined" in Netscape. I want to
>> >>
>> >> Your email address.
>> >
>> >Can't be, that's there. Has to be the message ID.
>>
>> OK. It was.
>>
>> >> I had to write the reply in MS Word because OE cant keep up with my
>> typing
>> >> with emails longer than 10K.
>> >
>> >Probably because Microsoft produces programs that need
>> >faster computers with lots of memory and disk space. OE has
>>
>> It produces programmes with un-optimised code and full of BUGGS.
>
>I know. That is where Linux has an advantage. Because it is
>free and anyone can download the source code, people
>constantly write programs and improve on others.
If MicroCrap dont bring down the price of Windows2000 to a reasonable level
Linux will soon take over from W9x as the standard home operating system.
>
>>
>> Why the hell does IE 5 need to index the whole font directory every time
you
>> clich on the right mouse button to access to pop-up menu inside the
windows.
>> It might be fine with only 32 fonts installed but it takes ages with 1000
>> fonts like I have even on an 800MHz PIII. Windows wont even let you
install
>> more than 1024 fonts.
>
>You need a font manager.
I tried using one of those but it couldnt handle more then 100 fonts
already installed and kept crashing every time it tried to index them.
>
>Microsoft are useless. Theyve now ditched Windows 9x
>> and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what is being
given
>> away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz and above).
>>
>> Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than OE with a
10K
>> file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my presnt computer
>> works fine. Where do I put the new on. I dont have an extra desk.
Actually
>> I do but its already being used.
>
>W2000 is for business use. Windows Millenium edition has yet
>to be released. There will be a W2000 for home users, so
Windows Millennium is a PILE OF CRAP and still base on 16bit architecture.
>untill that happens all manufacturers should offer an
>alternative OS, unless the machine is for business.
>I'd like an extra computer, but I have only one desk in a
>small space. I'll take your old one off you for Linux if you
>want to get rid of it, but I'd have to hunt for somewhere to
You can have it but only after Ive taken my SCSI adapter, Sound Card and
SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
Why dont they sell machines without CD Roms and SoundCards any more. Why
should I have to buy a new computer filled with Inferior OEM versions of
hardware when Ive already got full versions by better manufactures. OK I
could buy the box, motherboard, monitor and processor separately but it
would still come to more than buying a ready built PC filled with Crap I don
t want.
>put it. Anyway, I'd rather help someone get rid of their old
>P111 500.
>> When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
>
>RISC has been around for a long time. Motorola, as used in
>Macs, for instance. Intel ones, haven't a clue and I don't
>think they have either.
But the Macs arent 64 bit yet. When is a 64bit OS coming out.
Why are games machines now 128bit but PC and Mac are still lagging behing at
32bit
What ever happened to the doubling in processor speed every 18 months. This
time 5 years ago the P100 came out and now were only up to 800MHz. It
should be 1000MHz
>> >no problems with messages over 10k for me, it's just that it
>> >won't send them. How about you give me your Outbok and I'll
>> >give you the message reply part? Wouldn't it be nice if you
>> >could exchange bits of programs?
>>
>> Wouldnt it be nice if MS could even be bothered to centre the icons in
the
>> OE 5 messages window properly.
>
>It's a lot better than any other mail client I've tried.
>Netscape isn't too bad, but Agent is all over the place and
>Eudora has a seperate window for messages. At least they are
>in a nice long list.
>
>>
>> And something has happened to my scrolling tool tips in MS Word 95. They
>> wont scroll. The doe in OE 4 but not in word. Why ?
>
>Are they supposed to scroll? I thought they were animated,
>not scrolling. Try the custom toolbar or the 'view' menus.
The menus in Word 95 scroll down, but the tool tips dont.
>> Why dont the tool tips in OE 5 appear 1 pixel above the highlighted
message
>> header and not completely covering them like theyre meant to.
>
>Isn't that normal? They cover them in OE5 and Netscape.
No it is not normal. They are 1 pixel out of alignment. They should cover
all of the text but when you hover the mouse pointer over the header the
text turns yellow and jumps up 1 pixel. The Icons like the pair of glasses
in the columns to the left of the headers are not centred in their columns
either. How could MicroCrap overlook this. Its starring them in the face.
They dont give a fuk if the cant fix a bug that is so obvious.
>> >> >get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
>> >> >deleted!
>> >>
>> >> Didnt I tell you OE 5 was bugged.
>> >
>> >It wasn't before it conflicted with my network detection and
>> >firewall. That's when it crashed and the file got corrupted.
>> >OE is much better than Netscape, which I'm using now, and I
>> >don't like Eudora or Agent. It's just that OE is so
>> >persistant. I delete it and an older copy shows up, the one
>> >with the bugs that have been fixed now. Install on top of
>> >that and I have the non-working Outbox again.
>>
>> I think I had similar problems when IE 5 crashed my registry. OE couldnt
>> send anything and I couldnt serf the Internet, only connect.
>
>But W98 keeps 5 backup copies of the registry and if one is
5 ? I cant see 5. Where are they. W95 only kept 1 and that was corrupted
also, or morel likely it got corrupted as soon as it got booted with IE5
installed.
>corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
>delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
>registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
>computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
>Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
W98 has done that to me also. I click on a link in IE 4 or in an e-mail and
it re-boots for no apparent reason.
>again, that's how OE became corrupted in the first place.
The last time it done that to me it corrupted my active news groups file and
it was impossible to re-load it until I deleted the whole news folder and
set-up all of up my account details from scratch.
>> >> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
>> >> >
>> >> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
>> >> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
>> >> >the wrong kind!
>> >>
>> >> What about a May Pole ?
>> >
>> >Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
>>
>> It was you that brought them up.
>
>I brought up POLLS. As in voting. Not poles.
Oh polls.
So are you gong to set one up.
>> >May Pole. It isn't May.
>>
>> >Who invented grinding mills for making flour? If men
>>
>> Man invented the tools.
>
>Which early stone age man told you that? We don't know, so
>men assume that men invented all tools. Women are as
>inventive as men, so it makes sense that women invented the
>tools that helped them, men the ones that they needed.
Look at the cave paintings. Painted by Men, and depicting men in the hunt,
using tools like spears axes.
>> >invented speech, why are women better at it? Women's speech
>> >areas are bigger than mens. Women have made discoveries too,
>>
>> No No No. They are bigger in ratio to the rest of a womens brain but not
a
>> big as mens overall..
>
>Of course part of a brain isn't as big as a whole one. The
>speech and communication areas are bigger in women than the
>same areas in men. The areas involved with spacial ability
bigger in ratio but not necessarily in overall size.
>are bigger in men. Which is why most women aren't as good at
>reversing into a small parking space than men, but are
>better at explaining why the car has a dent in it.
>
>> Mens brains were far more developed in the areas that mattered for
survival
>> of the species, hunting, special skills and conceptual thought. Which is
why
>> women cant drive without causing accidents.
>
>Spacial abilities, as I just said. Women having more
>accidents driving? Is that why insurance companies charge
>lower premiums to women? Acturial tables show that women
>have less accidents than men. Maybe it has something to do
Thats because there are less women on the road.
Proportionately women cause more accidents than men.
>with men treating a car as an extension to a part of the
>anatomy that women don't possess?
No, its because women dont know how to drive and cause the men infront or
behind them to have accidents avoiding their dangerous manoeuvring.
>> >when they have had the time to do so, but for most of
>> >history men have been supressing women's abilities.
>>
>> I already told you Patriarchal societies have only existed for 4000
years.
>> Matriarchal ones for 200,000.
>
>4000 years is 4000 years too long. As soon as humanity was
>able to develop a decent society, the men took over.
It only developed into a decent society when men took over. 200,000 years of
stagnation and then man the inventor brought about the dawn of civilisation
when he broker free of his chains.
>> >>
>> >> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
>> >
>> >Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
>>
>> Hes the one that flashes when its time to cross.
>
>I never thought of the green flasher before. Aren't it
>puffins that flash?
No, you mean Pelicans.
>>
>> >> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in March
>> which
>> >> was when the year started.
>> >
>> >No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
>> >to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
>> >midwinter.
>>
>> Ah, but midwinter was not in December 2000 years ago. Precession of the
>> earth would have made it one moth earlier or later wouldnt it, like the
>> constellations. Or is the year different ?
>>
>> Im confused now !
>
>So am I! How could midwinter ever be in the summer?
The months were different places. Every 24,000 years or so the earths axis
processes.
>> >> Oh sod it. I forgot to celebrate the Roman festival of Marsalia
>> yesterday.
>> >
>> >How do you celebrate that? Go to war?
>>
>> March around in a field infront of Caesar and then have an orgy.
>
>I thought you meant a festival in honour of Mars, the Roman
>god of war. What did they do before there was a Caeser?
Marched around in a field infront of the Pro-Consuls and then had an orgy
>> >The MALE sun.
>>
>> Only the Sun GOD was male. The sun GOD carried the sun through the sky in
a
>> chariot. This implies that the sun and the sun GOD were different
entities.
>
>OK, the sun was neuter if you like, but there would be no
>sun without a sun GOD. Nobody to carry the sun.
The sun was an aspect of the Triple Goddess.
Why else would she be called the Triple Goddess, which comprised of the
Earth, Moon and Sun.
Because the sun God carried the sun in his chariot it ensured that no human
sacrifices were necessary to the Triple Goddess to make the sun rise every
day.
>> >> >the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
>> >> >moon, and females.
>> >>
>> >> Or the sun and the seasons
>> >
>> >The sun and seasons are masculine. Both are obviously
>> >linked.
>>
>> TWADDLE.
>
>No it's not.
>
>>
>> The seasons were the DAUGHTERS of Zeus Themis. (names given to the
include;
>> Clotho, Lacheris, Atropos, Thallo, Carpo)
>>
>> FEMALE.
>
>OK, same as the fates were female. After all, you do need
>more females than males if you're planning to bonk them all.
>
Of cause.
>> >LOL..no I wasn't. What does that have to do with religion?
>>
>> Phallus worship
>
>Which is what I was giving as the reason that men have more
>accidents when driving than women do. The vehicle is an
>extension.
So it is more under control then isnt it, being a natural extension.
>>
>> >> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female god
>> >> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all other
>> >> patriarchal religions.
>> >
>> >Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
>> >of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
>> >regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
>>
>> Feminine plural. It included in all the Feminist Bibiles.
>
>Feminism...another idea that distorts the truth. Maybe if
>you read both male and female oriented versions and took the
>bits that are in aggreement, you'd reach something close to
>the original. I've never seen a feminist Bible, unless you
depends what you mean by original.
>mean a book supporting feminism.
No. Feminist bibles translate Elohim correctly as a feminine plural rather
than replacing it with god.
>> >> >find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
>> >> >in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
>> >>
>> >> Wrong. Our primate ancestors kept Harems, and therefore womans
natural
>> >> behaviour was loyalty to one dominant male.
>> >
>> >Where do you get that from? Even apes have dominant males
>> >(plural) and more than one fathers offspring.
>>
>> Remember I visited the BBC discussion on ape-man.
>>
>> It was mentioned in answer to one of the questions that Austarlopithicus
>> kept harems like most apes.
>
>I was going by the gorrilla model, which some say is closest
>to human.
Gorillas have nothing to do with the development of humans. They are a
completely different genus. It is only Chimpanzees that share the same
ancestor as humans. Go back 6 million years and the common ancestor was
almost chimp like, then they started to diverge
>> >> A man goes of with another woman to expand his harem and show his male
>> >> dominance. It has nothing to do with loosing interest.
>> >
>> >Men and women think differently. If a man goes after a lot
>> >of women, how can he object to the odd extra man for a
>> >woman?
>>
>> Because he would consider that an invasion of his territory.
>
>A woman isn't territory, or property. She is a human being
>in her own right. I'd understand if she wanted a spare man
>in the regular one's house, or bed, but not otherwise. If he
>wants a faithful woman he has to be the same.
That would be an invasion of the males territory. Men do not like their
territory invaded or their property stolen. The impostor would face a fight
and be killed by the dominant male if he persisted.
>> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
>> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching
his
>> back
>> >> inwards>
>> >>
>> >> Purrrrr.. Purrrrr..
>> >
>> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
>> >over and over and over>
>>
>> PURRRRR.. PURRRRR
>>
>> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
>
><Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
>Aggie-tom's cheeks>
<Aggie-tom rubbing cheeks into Annas hand and raising head so he can be
tickled under the chin>
>> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Annas chest and stretching
claws
>> >> out>
>> >> >
>> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
>> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
>> >>
>> >> Aggie-tom cant help how hes built.
>> >
>> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
>> >are and be gentle with them.
>>
>> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
>
>Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
>doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
But a leather jacket isnt as warm for Aggie-tom and its more difficult to
hold onto.
>>
>> Aggie-tom will stop purring if he cant stretch out his claws.
>
>Anna's wearing some old leather that Aggie-tom can stretch
>his claws on as much as he wants, now.
<Aggie-tom trying to grip onto the leather but his claws slip off and so
stops purring>
<Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring as he
starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
>> >Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
>>
>> Theres lots of Aggie-tom to go round. Aggie-tom is very generous.
>
>Is Aggie-tom very generously built then?
Aggie-tom is not fat..
He is referring to his appendages.
>> >> >> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my
>> >> kitties.
>> >> >
>> >> >Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
>> >> >give up the harem.
>> >>
>> >> Im protecting my little kitties so they dont wander into the lions
den.
>> >
>> >Little kittens may not want that much protection. It could
>> >make them be tempted to wander into the lions den.
>>
>> Then they will all get gobbled up.
>
>Lions wouldn't gobble up all the little kittens.
Dont bet on that.
>> Do you want that Anna.
>>
>> >> So why doesnt she try attract the original one back if thats what
its
>> >> about.
>> >
>> >If he is still interested in her he'll prove it by trying to
>> >attract her back.
>>
>> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all back.
>
>And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
>because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
>one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
>them back.
Aggie-tom is spending lots of time with Anna. What is she complaining about.
Krissie-kat is nowhere to be found. Where could she be.
>> >> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same as
>> >> marriage between members of the same family.
>> >
>> >50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
>> >different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
>>
>> But it would be female.
>
>Of course it would. That's why I don't like the idea. I like
>men, they are often more interesting than women. But a
>female-only population would be viable.
Only it there werent any natural disasters and then everyone would become
extinct.
>> >I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
>> >yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
>>
>> Nope. The divergence from true apes occurred 6 million years ago, but no
>> explanation was given as to why.
>
>The upright ape was a mutation that could see further by
>standing up when there weren't any trees? They did give the
Not according to the online debate. The early hominids stood upright
in-order to regulate their body temperature more easily in the sun.
>reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
>climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
>find.
Only in the areas where hominids developed. Chimps still use rocks to break
open nuts and berries as doe squirrels so that sort of behaviour was
already present while they were in the trees.
The change in climate force the out of the trees and into eating meat so
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> >
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >What is this "bookmark not defined" in Netscape. I want to
> >> >>
> >> >> Your email address.
> >> >
> >> >Can't be, that's there. Has to be the message ID.
> >>
> >> OK. It was.
> >>
> >> >> I had to write the reply in MS Word because OE cant keep up with my
> >> typing
> >> >> with emails longer than 10K.
> >> >
> >> >Probably because Microsoft produces programs that need
> >> >faster computers with lots of memory and disk space. OE has
> >>
> >> It produces programmes with un-optimised code and full of BUGGS.
> >
> >I know. That is where Linux has an advantage. Because it is
> >free and anyone can download the source code, people
> >constantly write programs and improve on others.
>
> If MicroCrap dont bring down the price of Windows2000 to a reasonable level
> Linux will soon take over from W9x as the standard home operating system.
It could well do so, when it is easier to set up. I wouldn't
mind that, as long as it stays free. There are allergy a few
Linux boxes for sale, pre configured, but you still need to
know something about computers to do much other than run
pre installed programs. How many could download and install
an rpm, let alone compile the code that some programs are
downloaded as.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Why the hell does IE 5 need to index the whole font directory every time
> you
> >> clich on the right mouse button to access to pop-up menu inside the
> windows.
> >> It might be fine with only 32 fonts installed but it takes ages with 1000
> >> fonts like I have even on an 800MHz PIII. Windows wont even let you
> install
> >> more than 1024 fonts.
> >
> >You need a font manager.
>
> I tried using one of those but it couldnt handle more then 100 fonts
> already installed and kept crashing every time it tried to index them.
A lot of stuff has been ported from the Mac. Try one of the
Mac-original ones?
> >
> >Microsoft are useless. Theyve now ditched Windows 9x
> >> and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what is being
> given
> >> away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz and above).
They shouldn't, and I've seen plenty with W98SE. W2000 is
for business use. Servers and workstations, it's a
replacement for NT4. In fact it is NT5.
> >>
> >> Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than OE with a
> 10K
> >> file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my presnt computer
> >> works fine. Where do I put the new on. I dont have an extra desk.
> Actually
> >> I do but its already being used.
The reason could be the Microsoft/Intel partnership? Missed
that bit...
> >
> >W2000 is for business use. Windows Millenium edition has yet
> >to be released. There will be a W2000 for home users, so
>
> Windows Millennium is a PILE OF CRAP and still base on 16bit architecture.
I know. Next should be the W2000 for home users. What will
that be like...and cost? Also, no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft
anymore. "It encourages pirating" they say. Which means if
you have a computer without Windows on CD and your HD
crashes, you have to go and buy a new copy of the OS.
>
> >untill that happens all manufacturers should offer an
> >alternative OS, unless the machine is for business.
> >I'd like an extra computer, but I have only one desk in a
> >small space. I'll take your old one off you for Linux if you
> >want to get rid of it, but I'd have to hunt for somewhere to
>
> You can have it but only after Ive taken my SCSI adapter, Sound Card and
> SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
I'd only need a network adapter and CD ROM, but what do you
want an old, slow one for? Or is it? I want to set up a
server and client for NT and Linux.
>
> Why dont they sell machines without CD Roms and SoundCards any more. Why
> should I have to buy a new computer filled with Inferior OEM versions of
> hardware when Ive already got full versions by better manufactures. OK I
> could buy the box, motherboard, monitor and processor separately but it
> would still come to more than buying a ready built PC filled with Crap I don
> t want.
If you don't have a CD ROM you can't install anything. But
they do sell machines without floppy drives. And most people
want sound, so it's integrated on the motherboard with the
latest chipset. So that makes the computer cheaper. Or you
build your own. But you can buy computers with no software
at all, or with only the OS. You can even buy them without
monitors or keyboards, but from specialist builders.
>
> >put it. Anyway, I'd rather help someone get rid of their old
> >P111 500.
>
> >> When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
> >
> >RISC has been around for a long time. Motorola, as used in
> >Macs, for instance. Intel ones, haven't a clue and I don't
> >think they have either.
>
> But the Macs arent 64 bit yet. When is a 64bit OS coming out.
It keeps getting put off. Technical problems. Don't forget
all the new software to make use of it, and maybe everything
else too.
>
> Why are games machines now 128bit but PC and Mac are still lagging behing at
> 32bit
Because they are games optimized? Mobile phone chips are in
advance of PC ones as well. In fact the whole phone is....
>
> What ever happened to the doubling in processor speed every 18 months. This
> time 5 years ago the P100 came out and now were only up to 800MHz. It
> should be 1000MHz
People are saying that processors now are too fast for
ordinary programs. You don't need 1 GHZ, or even 500MHZ for
a word processor or a browser. Of course the programs are
made bigger and have more bells and whistles so that you do
need more sped, memory, and space. So far the 1 GHZ is an
over clocked, super cooled Athlon. It won't be long, but we
have faster processors every month now and we are getting to
the limit for silicon. The guy who came up with that rule
never expected processors running at 85o MHZ.
>
> >> >no problems with messages over 10k for me, it's just that it
> >> >won't send them. How about you give me your Outbok and I'll
> >> >give you the message reply part? Wouldn't it be nice if you
> >> >could exchange bits of programs?
> >>
> >> Wouldnt it be nice if MS could even be bothered to centre the icons in
> the
> >> OE 5 messages window properly.
> >
> >It's a lot better than any other mail client I've tried.
> >Netscape isn't too bad, but Agent is all over the place and
> >Eudora has a seperate window for messages. At least they are
> >in a nice long list.
> >
> >>
> >> And something has happened to my scrolling tool tips in MS Word 95. They
> >> wont scroll. The doe in OE 4 but not in word. Why ?
> >
> >Are they supposed to scroll? I thought they were animated,
> >not scrolling. Try the custom toolbar or the 'view' menus.
>
> The menus in Word 95 scroll down, but the tool tips dont.
I've never had it. Went straight to 97. Before that, Word 6,
and not at home. I'll have to check that.
>
> >> Why dont the tool tips in OE 5 appear 1 pixel above the highlighted
> message
> >> header and not completely covering them like theyre meant to.
> >
> >Isn't that normal? They cover them in OE5 and Netscape.
>
> No it is not normal. They are 1 pixel out of alignment. They should cover
> all of the text but when you hover the mouse pointer over the header the
> text turns yellow and jumps up 1 pixel.
It turns yellow and jumps out, up, or something, but I've
never checked to see if it moves by 1 pixel.
The Icons like the pair of glasses
> in the columns to the left of the headers are not centred in their columns
> either.
They are on the same line as the header. Isn't that centred
enough?
How could MicroCrap overlook this. Its starring them in the
face.
> They dont give a fuk if the cant fix a bug that is so obvious.
They overlook a lot of things, but I don't think I've ever
had that problem. If there is a problem they bring out an
upgrade and expect the customer to pay for the bugs that
shouldn't have been in the first program to be fixed. Then
the upgrade has new bugs, etc...
>
> >> >> >get OE working again but the corrupt copy(s) refuses to be
> >> >> >deleted!
> >> >>
> >> >> Didnt I tell you OE 5 was bugged.
> >> >
> >> >It wasn't before it conflicted with my network detection and
> >> >firewall. That's when it crashed and the file got corrupted.
> >> >OE is much better than Netscape, which I'm using now, and I
> >> >don't like Eudora or Agent. It's just that OE is so
> >> >persistant. I delete it and an older copy shows up, the one
> >> >with the bugs that have been fixed now. Install on top of
> >> >that and I have the non-working Outbox again.
> >>
> >> I think I had similar problems when IE 5 crashed my registry. OE couldnt
> >> send anything and I couldnt serf the Internet, only connect.
> >
> >But W98 keeps 5 backup copies of the registry and if one is
>
> 5 ? I cant see 5. Where are they. W95 only kept 1 and that was corrupted
> also, or morel likely it got corrupted as soon as it got booted with IE5
> installed.
I think they're in windows/system somewhere, but I can't
remember. I have seen them though, once or twice when I was
checking all Windows files. It's all done automatically
anyway. I also use TweakAll for backups of registry and .ini
files, amongst other things, but you can only use that if
you can boot into windows.
>
> >corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
> >delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
> >registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
> >computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
> >Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
>
> W98 has done that to me also. I click on a link in IE 4 or in an e-mail and
> it re-boots for no apparent reason.
Do you know how to stop it? It's only just started
happening with me, and I've had IE5 and OE5 for a long
time.
>
> >again, that's how OE became corrupted in the first place.
>
> The last time it done that to me it corrupted my active news groups file and
> it was impossible to re-load it until I deleted the whole news folder and
> set-up all of up my account details from scratch.
I'm wondering if I can't reinstall because of PGP. I have a
PGPOE left after uninstalling, maybe that's causing the
problem.
>
> >> >> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
> >> >> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
> >> >> >the wrong kind!
> >> >>
> >> >> What about a May Pole ?
> >> >
> >> >Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
> >>
> >> It was you that brought them up.
> >
> >I brought up POLLS. As in voting. Not poles.
>
> Oh polls.
>
> So are you gong to set one up.
My ISP won't let me use cgi scripts other than the ones they
provide, and I doubt that Deja would let me pose that
question in one of their polls. I could try, though.
>
> >> >May Pole. It isn't May.
> >>
>
> >> >Who invented grinding mills for making flour? If men
> >>
> >> Man invented the tools.
> >
> >Which early stone age man told you that? We don't know, so
> >men assume that men invented all tools. Women are as
> >inventive as men, so it makes sense that women invented the
> >tools that helped them, men the ones that they needed.
>
> Look at the cave paintings. Painted by Men, and depicting men in the hunt,
> using tools like spears axes.
Cave paintings are believed to be religious, painted by
priests. That is a sign of a patriarchal society, women
probably weren't allowed to do cave paintings. And women's
work and tools would be beneath the notice of men. It was on
the 1st of the Ape man programs, cave painting.
>
> >> >invented speech, why are women better at it? Women's speech
> >> >areas are bigger than mens. Women have made discoveries too,
> >>
> >> No No No. They are bigger in ratio to the rest of a womens brain but not
> a
> >> big as mens overall..
> >
> >Of course part of a brain isn't as big as a whole one. The
> >speech and communication areas are bigger in women than the
> >same areas in men. The areas involved with spacial ability
>
> bigger in ratio but not necessarily in overall size.
Excuses, excuses. Why do men object to admitting that women
are better at some things than men, unless it is traditional
woman's work. Men don't want to do that, so women are
allowed to be good at it.
>
> >are bigger in men. Which is why most women aren't as good at
> >reversing into a small parking space than men, but are
> >better at explaining why the car has a dent in it.
> >
> >> Mens brains were far more developed in the areas that mattered for
> survival
> >> of the species, hunting, special skills and conceptual thought. Which is
> why
> >> women cant drive without causing accidents.
> >
> >Spacial abilities, as I just said. Women having more
> >accidents driving? Is that why insurance companies charge
> >lower premiums to women? Acturial tables show that women
> >have less accidents than men. Maybe it has something to do
>
> Thats because there are less women on the road.
No it isn't. Actuarial tables aren't worked that way. We are
talking of percentages.
>
> Proportionately women cause more accidents than men.
Male myth.
>
> >with men treating a car as an extension to a part of the
> >anatomy that women don't possess?
>
> No, its because women dont know how to drive and cause the men infront or
> behind them to have accidents avoiding their dangerous manoeuvring.
It's because men can't stand having a woman in front of
them, so take stupid risks to get in front of her. They are
the same with each other, always want to be the one in
front. That is why men have more accidents. Plus showing off
to their friends. Women are more likely to calculate risks
and not take stupid ones. Which is why a man doesn't like
being behind a woman driving slowly on icy roads in thick
fog. He overtakes without being able to see if any car was
travelling towards him, see that there was, brake, and skid
into two or three other cars. Typical male behaviour.
>
> >> >when they have had the time to do so, but for most of
> >> >history men have been supressing women's abilities.
> >>
> >> I already told you Patriarchal societies have only existed for 4000
> years.
> >> Matriarchal ones for 200,000.
> >
> >4000 years is 4000 years too long. As soon as humanity was
> >able to develop a decent society, the men took over.
>
> It only developed into a decent society when men took over. 200,000 years of
> stagnation and then man the inventor brought about the dawn of civilisation
> when he broker free of his chains.
Wishful thinking. You can say what you wish, because nobody
knows. But the cave paintings point to men being in charge
even then.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
> >> >
> >> >Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
> >>
> >> Hes the one that flashes when its time to cross.
> >
> >I never thought of the green flasher before. Aren't it
> >puffins that flash?
>
> No, you mean Pelicans.
Pelicans and Puffins then.
>
> >>
> >> >> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in March
> >> which
> >> >> was when the year started.
> >> >
> >> >No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
> >> >to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
> >> >midwinter.
> >>
> >> Ah, but midwinter was not in December 2000 years ago. Precession of the
> >> earth would have made it one moth earlier or later wouldnt it, like the
> >> constellations. Or is the year different ?
> >>
> >> Im confused now !
> >
> >So am I! How could midwinter ever be in the summer?
>
> The months were different places. Every 24,000 years or so the earths axis
> processes.
But still summer has the long days and warmth, winter has
short days and is colder. So the difference is obvious. We
don't even know if months had names then.
>
> >> >> Oh sod it. I forgot to celebrate the Roman festival of Marsalia
> >> yesterday.
> >> >
> >> >How do you celebrate that? Go to war?
> >>
> >> March around in a field infront of Caesar and then have an orgy.
> >
> >I thought you meant a festival in honour of Mars, the Roman
> >god of war. What did they do before there was a Caeser?
>
> Marched around in a field infront of the Pro-Consuls and then had an orgy
How boring.
>
> >> >The MALE sun.
> >>
> >> Only the Sun GOD was male. The sun GOD carried the sun through the sky in
> a
> >> chariot. This implies that the sun and the sun GOD were different
> entities.
> >
> >OK, the sun was neuter if you like, but there would be no
> >sun without a sun GOD. Nobody to carry the sun.
>
> The sun was an aspect of the Triple Goddess.
Nonsense.
>
> Why else would she be called the Triple Goddess, which comprised of the
> Earth, Moon and Sun.
Did not. Comprised of youth, maturity and death. You are
thinking male again.
>
> Because the sun God carried the sun in his chariot it ensured that no human
> sacrifices were necessary to the Triple Goddess to make the sun rise every
> day.
Why sacrifices to a goddess to make the sun rise? You think
that she was so powerful she could make her consort, the
sun, do what she wanted. Safer to sacrifice direct to the
sun god, which is what happened.
>
> >> >> >the ancients could ignore the link between the month, the
> >> >> >moon, and females.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or the sun and the seasons
> >> >
> >> >The sun and seasons are masculine. Both are obviously
> >> >linked.
> >>
> >> TWADDLE.
> >
> >No it's not.
> >
> >>
> >> The seasons were the DAUGHTERS of Zeus Themis. (names given to the
> include;
> >> Clotho, Lacheris, Atropos, Thallo, Carpo)
> >>
> >> FEMALE.
> >
> >OK, same as the fates were female. After all, you do need
> >more females than males if you're planning to bonk them all.
> >
>
> Of cause.
>
> >> >LOL..no I wasn't. What does that have to do with religion?
> >>
> >> Phallus worship
> >
> >Which is what I was giving as the reason that men have more
> >accidents when driving than women do. The vehicle is an
> >extension.
>
> So it is more under control then isnt it, being a natural extension.
As much under control as the phallus? You have made my point
there.
>
> >>
> >> >> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female god
> >> >> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all other
> >> >> patriarchal religions.
> >> >
> >> >Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
> >> >of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
> >> >regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
> >>
> >> Feminine plural. It included in all the Feminist Bibiles.
> >
> >Feminism...another idea that distorts the truth. Maybe if
> >you read both male and female oriented versions and took the
> >bits that are in aggreement, you'd reach something close to
> >the original. I've never seen a feminist Bible, unless you
>
> depends what you mean by original.
What was first believed by those people, before it was
written down.
>
> >mean a book supporting feminism.
>
> No. Feminist bibles translate Elohim correctly as a feminine plural rather
> than replacing it with god.
THOSE! The ones that say God is a woman. God is above
earthly things like sexual differences. He doesn't need to
reproduce.
>
> >> >> >find it hard to imagine the possibility of being interested
> >> >> >in more than one at a time. So if a man goes off with
> >> >>
> >> >> Wrong. Our primate ancestors kept Harems, and therefore womans
> natural
> >> >> behaviour was loyalty to one dominant male.
> >> >
> >> >Where do you get that from? Even apes have dominant males
> >> >(plural) and more than one fathers offspring.
> >>
> >> Remember I visited the BBC discussion on ape-man.
> >>
> >> It was mentioned in answer to one of the questions that Austarlopithicus
> >> kept harems like most apes.
> >
> >I was going by the gorrilla model, which some say is closest
> >to human.
>
> Gorillas have nothing to do with the development of humans. They are a
> completely different genus. It is only Chimpanzees that share the same
> ancestor as humans. Go back 6 million years and the common ancestor was
> almost chimp like, then they started to diverge
I know, our genes are something like 99% in common with
chimps. But behaviour can be more like human in other apes.
>
> >> >> A man goes of with another woman to expand his harem and show his male
> >> >> dominance. It has nothing to do with loosing interest.
> >> >
> >> >Men and women think differently. If a man goes after a lot
> >> >of women, how can he object to the odd extra man for a
> >> >woman?
> >>
> >> Because he would consider that an invasion of his territory.
> >
> >A woman isn't territory, or property. She is a human being
> >in her own right. I'd understand if she wanted a spare man
> >in the regular one's house, or bed, but not otherwise. If he
> >wants a faithful woman he has to be the same.
>
> That would be an invasion of the males territory. Men do not like their
> territory invaded or their property stolen. The impostor would face a fight
> and be killed by the dominant male if he persisted.
Women are not property. Women are people with the same
rights as men.
>
> >> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
> >> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching
> his
> >> back
> >> >> inwards>
> >> >>
> >> >> Purrrrr.. Purrrrr..
> >> >
> >> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
> >> >over and over and over>
> >>
> >> PURRRRR.. PURRRRR
> >>
> >> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
> >
> ><Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
> >Aggie-tom's cheeks>
>
> <Aggie-tom rubbing cheeks into Annas hand and raising head so he can be
> tickled under the chin>
<Anna tickling Aggie-tom under chin>
>
> >> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Annas chest and stretching
> claws
> >> >> out>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
> >> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
> >> >>
> >> >> Aggie-tom cant help how hes built.
> >> >
> >> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
> >> >are and be gentle with them.
> >>
> >> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
> >
> >Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
> >doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
>
> But a leather jacket isnt as warm for Aggie-tom and its more difficult to
> hold onto.
Ok, an old, thick, chunky woollen jumper. Do you like that,
Aggie-tom? It's soft and easy to put your claws into.
>
> >>
> >> Aggie-tom will stop purring if he cant stretch out his claws.
> >
> >Anna's wearing some old leather that Aggie-tom can stretch
> >his claws on as much as he wants, now.
>
> <Aggie-tom trying to grip onto the leather but his claws slip off and so
> stops purring>
<Anna picking Aggie-tom up again after putting woollen
jumper on>
>
> <Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring as he
> starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
>
> purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
Do you want to go for a walk sitting on Anna's shoulder,
Aggie-tom?
>
> >> >Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
> >>
> >> Theres lots of Aggie-tom to go round. Aggie-tom is very generous.
> >
> >Is Aggie-tom very generously built then?
>
> Aggie-tom is not fat..
Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
that....
>
> He is referring to his appendages.
Appendages? How many?
>
> >> >> >> >sure Miros would have no wish to be a eunuch, same as you.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That the only way hell get into my Harem after trying to steal my
> >> >> kitties.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Now, now, Aggie, don't be all possesive. Unless you want to
> >> >> >give up the harem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Im protecting my little kitties so they dont wander into the lions
> den.
> >> >
> >> >Little kittens may not want that much protection. It could
> >> >make them be tempted to wander into the lions den.
> >>
> >> Then they will all get gobbled up.
> >
> >Lions wouldn't gobble up all the little kittens.
>
> Dont bet on that.
>
> >> Do you want that Anna.
> >>
> >> >> So why doesnt she try attract the original one back if thats what
> its
> >> >> about.
> >> >
> >> >If he is still interested in her he'll prove it by trying to
> >> >attract her back.
> >>
> >> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all back.
> >
> >And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
> >because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
> >one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
> >them back.
>
> Aggie-tom is spending lots of time with Anna. What is she complaining about.
Anna is not complaining about that. She is complaining about
Aggie-tom talking about lots and lots of kitties.
>
> Krissie-kat is nowhere to be found. Where could she be.
I saw an invitation with a woollen jumper from her.
>
> >> >> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same as
> >> >> marriage between members of the same family.
> >> >
> >> >50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
> >> >different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
> >>
> >> But it would be female.
> >
> >Of course it would. That's why I don't like the idea. I like
> >men, they are often more interesting than women. But a
> >female-only population would be viable.
>
> Only it there werent any natural disasters and then everyone would become
> extinct.
Isn't that true anyway?
>
> >> >I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
> >> >yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
> >>
> >> Nope. The divergence from true apes occurred 6 million years ago, but no
> >> explanation was given as to why.
> >
> >The upright ape was a mutation that could see further by
> >standing up when there weren't any trees? They did give the
>
> Not according to the online debate. The early hominids stood upright
> in-order to regulate their body temperature more easily in the sun.
Sounds like someone got confused with reptiles there.
>
> >reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
> >climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
> >find.
>
> Only in the areas where hominids developed. Chimps still use rocks to break
> open nuts and berries as doe squirrels so that sort of behaviour was
> already present while they were in the trees.
>
> The change in climate force the out of the trees and into eating meat so
> their
> brains developed faster
That's what I was saying.
>
> >> >swinging from trees.
Aggie-Tom
defined.>...>
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> If MicroCrap dont bring down the price of Windows2000 to a reasonable
level
>> Linux will soon take over from W9x as the standard home operating system.
>
>It could well do so, when it is easier to set up. I wouldn't
>mind that, as long as it stays free. There are allergy a few
>Linux boxes for sale, pre configured, but you still need to
>know something about computers to do much other than run
>pre installed programs. How many could download and install
>an rpm, let alone compile the code that some programs are
>downloaded as.
How fast is the compiler.
>> I tried using one of those but it couldnt handle more then 100 fonts
>> already installed and kept crashing every time it tried to index them.
>
>A lot of stuff has been ported from the Mac. Try one of the
>Mac-original ones?
The trouble with Mac conversion is that the run 10 times slower on a PC and
the user interface is crap.
>> >Microsoft are useless. Theyve now ditched Windows 9x
>> >> and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what is being
>> given
>> >> away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz and
above).
>
>They shouldn't, and I've seen plenty with W98SE. W2000 is
>for business use. Servers and workstations, it's a
>replacement for NT4. In fact it is NT5.
Since MS are no-longer going to support W9x why install a defunct operating
system.
>> >> Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than OE with a
>> 10K
>> >> file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my presnt
computer
>> >> works fine. Where do I put the new on. I dont have an extra desk.
>> Actually
>> >> I do but its already being used.
>
>The reason could be the Microsoft/Intel partnership? Missed
>that bit...
Oh you mean MS make the programs run slower so you have to buy a faster PC.
>> >W2000 is for business use. Windows Millenium edition has yet
>> >to be released. There will be a W2000 for home users, so
>>
>> Windows Millennium is a PILE OF CRAP and still base on 16bit
architecture.
>
>I know. Next should be the W2000 for home users. What will
>that be like...and cost? Also, no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft
>anymore. "It encourages pirating" they say. Which means if
Making you pay £80 for an upgrade which is full of bugs encourages pirating.
>you have a computer without Windows on CD and your HD
>crashes, you have to go and buy a new copy of the OS.
At £150. Why not just buy a pirate copy of W2000. The going rate seems to be
£20 over here, but I haven seen a copy yet.
>> >untill that happens all manufacturers should offer an
>> >alternative OS, unless the machine is for business.
>> >I'd like an extra computer, but I have only one desk in a
>> >small space. I'll take your old one off you for Linux if you
>> >want to get rid of it, but I'd have to hunt for somewhere to
>>
>> You can have it but only after Ive taken my SCSI adapter, Sound Card and
>> SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
>
>I'd only need a network adapter and CD ROM, but what do you
>want an old, slow one for? Or is it? I want to set up a
40x SCSI isnt slow. Its faster than the caching speed of the IDE Hard Disk.
>server and client for NT and Linux.
Thats what I wanted to do when I thought un-metered access meant you didnt
get cut of every 2 hours and could connect a web server to a cable modem.
>> Why dont they sell machines without CD Roms and SoundCards any more. Why
>> should I have to buy a new computer filled with Inferior OEM versions of
>> hardware when Ive already got full versions by better manufactures. OK I
>> could buy the box, motherboard, monitor and processor separately but it
>> would still come to more than buying a ready built PC filled with Crap I
don
>> t want.
>
>If you don't have a CD ROM you can't install anything. But
>they do sell machines without floppy drives. And most people
How do you boot up the W98 CD then. You need to install a SCSI driver in my
case and configure it with the CD ROM driver. Even with IDE drives you still
had to have a CD ROM boot disk.
>want sound, so it's integrated on the motherboard with the
But Ive got a better card and I dont want crap built in that I cant
upgrade.
>latest chipset. So that makes the computer cheaper. Or you
>build your own. But you can buy computers with no software
>at all, or with only the OS. You can even buy them without
>monitors or keyboards, but from specialist builders.
These "specialist builders" are con merchants. Nothing they build is stable
and all the hardware is full of conflicts. Its always me that gets called
to spend 6 hours debugging them.
>> >put it. Anyway, I'd rather help someone get rid of their old
>> >P111 500.
>>
>> >> When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
>> >
>> >RISC has been around for a long time. Motorola, as used in
>> >Macs, for instance. Intel ones, haven't a clue and I don't
>> >think they have either.
>>
>> But the Macs arent 64 bit yet. When is a 64bit OS coming out.
>
>It keeps getting put off. Technical problems. Don't forget
>all the new software to make use of it, and maybe everything
>else too.
Well Im not spending a grand to upgrade to a PIII only to find out that in
a few months its no better than a 286.
>> Why are games machines now 128bit but PC and Mac are still lagging behing
at
>> 32bit
>
>Because they are games optimized? Mobile phone chips are in
And you never hear of the game being full of Buggs like PC games.
>advance of PC ones as well. In fact the whole phone is....
All apart from the display.
>> What ever happened to the doubling in processor speed every 18 months.
This
>> time 5 years ago the P100 came out and now were only up to 800MHz. It
>> should be 1000MHz
>
>People are saying that processors now are too fast for
>ordinary programs. You don't need 1 GHZ, or even 500MHZ for
You could do faster word processing on an Amega
>a word processor or a browser. Of course the programs are
>made bigger and have more bells and whistles so that you do
They are bigger because none are optimised and are all full of spurious code
and bitmaps.
>need more sped, memory, and space. So far the 1 GHZ is an
>over clocked, super cooled Athlon. It won't be long, but we
>have faster processors every month now and we are getting to
>the limit for silicon. The guy who came up with that rule
>never expected processors running at 85o MHZ.
The processors might run at 850MHz but the software still doesnt run any
faster than on a 3MHz ZX Spectrum.
>> >> Why dont the tool tips in OE 5 appear 1 pixel above the highlighted
>> message
>> >> header and not completely covering them like theyre meant to.
>> >
>> >Isn't that normal? They cover them in OE5 and Netscape.
>>
>> No it is not normal. They are 1 pixel out of alignment. They should cover
>> all of the text but when you hover the mouse pointer over the header the
>> text turns yellow and jumps up 1 pixel.
>
>It turns yellow and jumps out, up, or something, but I've
>never checked to see if it moves by 1 pixel.
Thats what it does. Never did that in OE 4.
>The Icons like the pair of glasses
>> in the columns to the left of the headers are not centred in their
columns
>> either.
>
>They are on the same line as the header. Isn't that centred
>enough?
They are not in the centre of the sub-column.
>How could MicroCrap overlook this. Its starring them in the
>face.
>> They dont give a fuk if the cant fix a bug that is so obvious.
>
>They overlook a lot of things, but I don't think I've ever
>had that problem. If there is a problem they bring out an
>upgrade and expect the customer to pay for the bugs that
And expect you to down load 20MB all over again for a patch that takes up
only 64K.
>shouldn't have been in the first program to be fixed. Then
>the upgrade has new bugs, etc...
Its deliberate
>> 5 ? I cant see 5. Where are they. W95 only kept 1 and that was corrupted
>> also, or morel likely it got corrupted as soon as it got booted with IE5
>> installed.
>
>I think they're in windows/system somewhere, but I can't
>remember. I have seen them though, once or twice when I was
>checking all Windows files. It's all done automatically
>anyway. I also use TweakAll for backups of registry and .ini
>files, amongst other things, but you can only use that if
>you can boot into windows.
And if it dint crash and loose all of its registry settings like my copy did
which I had to reinstall.
>> >corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
>> >delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
>> >registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
>> >computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
>> >Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
>>
>> W98 has done that to me also. I click on a link in IE 4 or in an e-mail
and
>> it re-boots for no apparent reason.
>
>Do you know how to stop it? It's only just started
No. It seems to be random and only happens in W98
>happening with me, and I've had IE5 and OE5 for a long
>time.
>> >again, that's how OE became corrupted in the first place.
>>
>> The last time it done that to me it corrupted my active news groups file
and
>> it was impossible to re-load it until I deleted the whole news folder and
>> set-up all of up my account details from scratch.
>
>I'm wondering if I can't reinstall because of PGP. I have a
>PGPOE left after uninstalling, maybe that's causing the
>problem.
PGP isnt the problem.
IE/OE5 wont let you install a lower version ontop of a higher version even
if the difference is only 00.00.01.
You have to delete all of the higher dlls to get it to re-install and even
doing that that has its limits.
>> >> >> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
>> >> >> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
>> >> >> >the wrong kind!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What about a May Pole ?
>> >> >
>> >> >Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
>> >>
>> >> It was you that brought them up.
>> >
>> >I brought up POLLS. As in voting. Not poles.
>>
>> Oh polls.
>>
>> So are you gong to set one up.
>
>My ISP won't let me use cgi scripts other than the ones they
>provide, and I doubt that Deja would let me pose that
>question in one of their polls. I could try, though.
What was the question again. Ive forgotten.
>> Look at the cave paintings. Painted by Men, and depicting men in the
hunt,
>> using tools like spears axes.
>
>Cave paintings are believed to be religious, painted by
>priests. That is a sign of a patriarchal society, women
No. Its the sign of a Shamanistic society
>probably weren't allowed to do cave paintings. And women's
They werent Shamans or Medicine Men.
>work and tools would be beneath the notice of men. It was on
>the 1st of the Ape man programs, cave painting.
Yes, and the sub titles were written in tiny White lettering on a White
Background that doesnt show up on VHS.
>> >Spacial abilities, as I just said. Women having more
>> >accidents driving? Is that why insurance companies charge
>> >lower premiums to women? Acturial tables show that women
>> >have less accidents than men. Maybe it has something to do
>>
>> Thats because there are less women on the road.
>
>No it isn't. Actuarial tables aren't worked that way. We are
>talking of percentages.
And since the percentage of women on the roads is less the overall
statistics are lower.
Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in accidents
out of only Women Drivers
>> Proportionately women cause more accidents than men.
>
>Male myth.
Fact.
>> >with men treating a car as an extension to a part of the
>> >anatomy that women don't possess?
>>
>> No, its because women dont know how to drive and cause the men infront or
>> behind them to have accidents avoiding their dangerous manoeuvring.
>
>It's because men can't stand having a woman in front of
>them, so take stupid risks to get in front of her. They are
It because Women cant judge the speed of the road.
Some idiot women drove into to the back of my dads stationary car and tried
to make out on the insurance claim that it was his fault for damaging her
car.
>the same with each other, always want to be the one in
>front. That is why men have more accidents. Plus showing off
Because there are more men on the road.
>to their friends. Women are more likely to calculate risks
Oh like driving into the back of parked cars.
>and not take stupid ones. Which is why a man doesn't like
>being behind a woman driving slowly on icy roads in thick
>fog. He overtakes without being able to see if any car was
>travelling towards him, see that there was, brake, and skid
>into two or three other cars. Typical male behaviour.
The woman always drives across both carriageways so it impossible to
overtake her without causing an accident
>> It only developed into a decent society when men took over. 200,000 years
of
>> stagnation and then man the inventor brought about the dawn of
civilisation
>> when he broker free of his chains.
>
>Wishful thinking. You can say what you wish, because nobody
>knows. But the cave paintings point to men being in charge
>even then.
The men did all the work. They were slaves to the women.
>> >> >> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
>> >>
>> >> Hes the one that flashes when its time to cross.
>> >
>> >I never thought of the green flasher before. Aren't it
>> >puffins that flash?
>>
>> No, you mean Pelicans.
>
>Pelicans and Puffins then.
What about Zebras ?
>> >> >> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in
March
>> >> which
>> >> >> was when the year started.
>> >> >
>> >> >No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
>> >> >to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
>> >> >midwinter.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, but midwinter was not in December 2000 years ago. Precession of
the
>> >> earth would have made it one moth earlier or later wouldnt it, like
the
>> >> constellations. Or is the year different ?
>> >>
>> >> Im confused now !
>> >
>> >So am I! How could midwinter ever be in the summer?
>>
>> The months were different places. Every 24,000 years or so the earths
axis
>> processes.
>
>But still summer has the long days and warmth, winter has
>short days and is colder. So the difference is obvious. We
>don't even know if months had names then.
The did in Rome 2000 years ago and that enough for precession to have an
effect.
>> >> >The MALE sun.
>> >>
>> >> Only the Sun GOD was male. The sun GOD carried the sun through the sky
in
>> a
>> >> chariot. This implies that the sun and the sun GOD were different
>> entities.
>> >
>> >OK, the sun was neuter if you like, but there would be no
>> >sun without a sun GOD. Nobody to carry the sun.
>>
>> The sun was an aspect of the Triple Goddess.
>
>Nonsense.
NONSENSE to you.
>> Why else would she be called the Triple Goddess, which comprised of the
>> Earth, Moon and Sun.
>
>Did not. Comprised of youth, maturity and death. You are
>thinking male again.
Did so.
>> Because the sun God carried the sun in his chariot it ensured that no
human
>> sacrifices were necessary to the Triple Goddess to make the sun rise
every
>> day.
>
>Why sacrifices to a goddess to make the sun rise? You think
The goddess was the sun. When the sun God took over he carried the goddess
in his chariot so she had no choices but to rise.
>that she was so powerful she could make her consort, the
>sun, do what she wanted. Safer to sacrifice direct to the
>sun god, which is what happened.
No the sacrifice were to the Triple Goddess that was the sun, not the sun
God who drove the sun.
>> >Which is what I was giving as the reason that men have more
>> >accidents when driving than women do. The vehicle is an
>> >extension.
>>
>> So it is more under control then isnt it, being a natural extension.
>
>As much under control as the phallus? You have made my point
>there.
I can see you havent met a real man yet.
>> >> >> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female
god
>> >> >> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all
other
>> >> >> patriarchal religions.
>> >> >
>> >> >Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
>> >> >of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
>> >> >regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
>> >>
>> >> Feminine plural. It included in all the Feminist Bibiles.
>> >
>> >Feminism...another idea that distorts the truth. Maybe if
>> >you read both male and female oriented versions and took the
>> >bits that are in aggreement, you'd reach something close to
>> >the original. I've never seen a feminist Bible, unless you
>>
>> depends what you mean by original.
>
>What was first believed by those people, before it was
>written down.
Spirits I suppose.
>> >mean a book supporting feminism.
>>
>> No. Feminist bibles translate Elohim correctly as a feminine plural
rather
>> than replacing it with god.
>
>THOSE! The ones that say God is a woman. God is above
>earthly things like sexual differences. He doesn't need to
>reproduce.
Oh, well that means we can all throw the NT away then. (an I dont mean
Windows 2000)
>> Gorillas have nothing to do with the development of humans. They are a
>> completely different genus. It is only Chimpanzees that share the same
>> ancestor as humans. Go back 6 million years and the common ancestor was
>> almost chimp like, then they started to diverge
>
>I know, our genes are something like 99% in common with
>chimps. But behaviour can be more like human in other apes.
Or cats which have an almost identical nervous system.
>> >A woman isn't territory, or property. She is a human being
>> >in her own right. I'd understand if she wanted a spare man
>> >in the regular one's house, or bed, but not otherwise. If he
>> >wants a faithful woman he has to be the same.
>>
>> That would be an invasion of the males territory. Men do not like their
>> territory invaded or their property stolen. The impostor would face a
fight
>> and be killed by the dominant male if he persisted.
>
>Women are not property. Women are people with the same
>rights as men.
Right only come with obligations. Women are oblige not to stray.
>> >> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
>> >> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching
>> his
>> >> back
>> >> >> inwards>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Purrrrr.. Purrrrr..
>> >> >
>> >> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
>> >> >over and over and over>
>> >>
>> >> PURRRRR.. PURRRRR
>> >>
>> >> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
>> >
>> ><Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
>> >Aggie-tom's cheeks>
>>
>> <Aggie-tom rubbing cheeks into Annas hand and raising head so he can be
>> tickled under the chin>
>
><Anna tickling Aggie-tom under chin>
<Aggie-tom blowing on Annas fingers through his nostrils>
>> >> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Annas chest and stretching
>> claws
>> >> >> out>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
>> >> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Aggie-tom cant help how hes built.
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
>> >> >are and be gentle with them.
>> >>
>> >> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
>> >
>> >Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
>> >doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
>>
>> But a leather jacket isnt as warm for Aggie-tom and its more difficult to
>> hold onto.
>
>Ok, an old, thick, chunky woollen jumper. Do you like that,
>Aggie-tom? It's soft and easy to put your claws into.
Thats much better.
<Aggie-tom rolling around on Annas woollen jumper>
purrrr.. purrrr. purrrr
>> >> Aggie-tom will stop purring if he cant stretch out his claws.
>> >
>> >Anna's wearing some old leather that Aggie-tom can stretch
>> >his claws on as much as he wants, now.
>>
>> <Aggie-tom trying to grip onto the leather but his claws slip off and so
>> stops purring>
>
><Anna picking Aggie-tom up again after putting woollen
>jumper on>
>
>>
>> <Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring as he
>> starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
>>
>> purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
>
>Do you want to go for a walk sitting on Anna's shoulder,
>Aggie-tom?
If you walk steadily and dont make any sudden movements
<Aggie-tom gripping onto Annass shoulder while she stands up>
>> >> >Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
>> >>
>> >> Theres lots of Aggie-tom to go round. Aggie-tom is very generous.
>> >
>> >Is Aggie-tom very generously built then?
>>
>> Aggie-tom is not fat..
>
>Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
>that....
No he did not.
>> He is referring to his appendages.
>
>Appendages? How many?
All of them.
>> >> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all
back.
>> >
>> >And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
>> >because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
>> >one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
>> >them back.
>>
>> Aggie-tom is spending lots of time with Anna. What is she complaining
about.
>
>Anna is not complaining about that. She is complaining about
>Aggie-tom talking about lots and lots of kitties.
What wrong in that. You talk about your children dont you. Aggie-tom talks
about his kitties.
>> Krissie-kat is nowhere to be found. Where could she be.
>
>I saw an invitation with a woollen jumper from her.
Two woollen jumpers for Aggie-tom to play on. Must be his lucky day.
PUUUURRRRRRRRRRR
>> >> >> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same
as
>> >> >> marriage between members of the same family.
>> >> >
>> >> >50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
>> >> >different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
>> >>
>> >> But it would be female.
>> >
>> >Of course it would. That's why I don't like the idea. I like
>> >men, they are often more interesting than women. But a
>> >female-only population would be viable.
>>
>> Only it there werent any natural disasters and then everyone would become
>> extinct.
>
>Isn't that true anyway?
But you would have to rely on technology to reproduce and if that were
destroyed you would be finished.
>> >> >I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
>> >> >yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
>> >>
>> >> Nope. The divergence from true apes occurred 6 million years ago, but
no
>> >> explanation was given as to why.
>> >
>> >The upright ape was a mutation that could see further by
>> >standing up when there weren't any trees? They did give the
>>
>> Not according to the online debate. The early hominids stood upright
>> in-order to regulate their body temperature more easily in the sun.
>
>Sounds like someone got confused with reptiles there.
You try lying down in the sun covered in fur. Stand upright and it isnt as
hot. The sun only shines ono you head.
>> >reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
>> >climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
>> >find.
>>
>> Only in the areas where hominids developed. Chimps still use rocks to
break
>> open nuts and berries as doe squirrels so that sort of behaviour was
>> already present while they were in the trees.
>>
>> The change in climate force the out of the trees and into eating meat so
>> their
>> brains developed faster
>
>That's what I was saying.
Well then
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message...>
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
>
> >> If MicroCrap dont bring down the price of Windows2000 to a reasonable
> level
> >> Linux will soon take over from W9x as the standard home operating system.
> >
> >It could well do so, when it is easier to set up. I wouldn't
> >mind that, as long as it stays free. There are allergy a few
> >Linux boxes for sale, pre configured, but you still need to
> >know something about computers to do much other than run
> >pre installed programs. How many could download and install
> >an rpm, let alone compile the code that some programs are
> >downloaded as.
>
> How fast is the compiler.
I'll let you know as soon as I clear my smaller HD
completely and format it as a Linux partition. Haven't done
that yet because I can't decide what to delete and my
program for moving isn't moving anything.
>
> >> I tried using one of those but it couldnt handle more then 100 fonts
> >> already installed and kept crashing every time it tried to index them.
> >
> >A lot of stuff has been ported from the Mac. Try one of the
> >Mac-original ones?
>
> The trouble with Mac conversion is that the run 10 times slower on a PC and
> the user interface is crap.
I haven't tried them, but I read a recent article that said
that many Mac programs are now also written for Windows. Of
course they would be much slower using an emulator.
>
> >> >Microsoft are useless. Theyve now ditched Windows 9x
> >> >> and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what is being
> >> given
> >> >> away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz and
> above).
> >
> >They shouldn't, and I've seen plenty with W98SE. W2000 is
> >for business use. Servers and workstations, it's a
> >replacement for NT4. In fact it is NT5.
>
> Since MS are no-longer going to support W9x why install a defunct operating
> system.
They are still supporting it now. When they finally come out
with the home version of W2000 they'll stop supporting W9x.
>
> >> >> Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than OE with a
> >> 10K
> >> >> file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my presnt
> computer
> >> >> works fine. Where do I put the new on. I dont have an extra desk.
> >> Actually
> >> >> I do but its already being used.
> >
> >The reason could be the Microsoft/Intel partnership? Missed
> >that bit...
>
> Oh you mean MS make the programs run slower so you have to buy a faster PC.
No, I mean that MS writes programs that won't work properly
unless you by a new, faster PC. Same result, slightly
different method.
>
> >> >W2000 is for business use. Windows Millenium edition has yet
> >> >to be released. There will be a W2000 for home users, so
> >>
> >> Windows Millennium is a PILE OF CRAP and still base on 16bit
> architecture.
> >
> >I know. Next should be the W2000 for home users. What will
> >that be like...and cost? Also, no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft
> >anymore. "It encourages pirating" they say. Which means if
I haven't a clue what it will cost. Probably a bit more than
W98, at a rough guess. As for no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft,
I think that will encourage pirating. If you want one for a
new PC, a lot of people would rather buy a pirated copy than
pay for it twice. Most don't know enough to buy a PC without
an OS and install one they bought to a clean disc.
>
> Making you pay £80 for an upgrade which is full of bugs encourages pirating.
>
> >you have a computer without Windows on CD and your HD
> >crashes, you have to go and buy a new copy of the OS.
>
> At £150. Why not just buy a pirate copy of W2000. The going rate seems to be
> £20 over here, but I haven seen a copy yet.
It's on the Warez sites, if you can get through the porn and
the viruses.
>
> >> >untill that happens all manufacturers should offer an
> >> >alternative OS, unless the machine is for business.
> >> >I'd like an extra computer, but I have only one desk in a
> >> >small space. I'll take your old one off you for Linux if you
> >> >want to get rid of it, but I'd have to hunt for somewhere to
> >>
> >> You can have it but only after Ive taken my SCSI adapter, Sound Card and
> >> SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
> >
> >I'd only need a network adapter and CD ROM, but what do you
> >want an old, slow one for? Or is it? I want to set up a
>
> 40x SCSI isnt slow. Its faster than the caching speed of the IDE Hard Disk.
That isn't slow. I thought the SCSI was for something else
and you had the original CD drive (if it had one).
>
> >server and client for NT and Linux.
>
> Thats what I wanted to do when I thought un-metered access meant you didnt
> get cut of every 2 hours and could connect a web server to a cable modem.
Wait foe ADSL, if it doesn't cost too much. Cable can be
fast and permanently on, but because it's shared it can get
very slow. I can't even have cable TV, anyway. When they put
the cable in they missed my road. :-( Said they would lay it
later. That was about 2 years ago and they still haven't
done it. ADSL is permanently on and you get fast download
speeds (but not upload).
>
> >> Why dont they sell machines without CD Roms and SoundCards any more. Why
> >> should I have to buy a new computer filled with Inferior OEM versions of
> >> hardware when Ive already got full versions by better manufactures. OK I
> >> could buy the box, motherboard, monitor and processor separately but it
> >> would still come to more than buying a ready built PC filled with Crap I
> don
> >> t want.
> >
> >If you don't have a CD ROM you can't install anything. But
> >they do sell machines without floppy drives. And most people
>
> How do you boot up the W98 CD then. You need to install a SCSI driver in my
> case and configure it with the CD ROM driver. Even with IDE drives you still
> had to have a CD ROM boot disk.
You get a rescue floppy, and you can make a boot disk. For
drivers I guess you have to go to the MS web site, but you
do have the complete installation files on your HDD. I had
that when I bought this computer, but I also had the CD ROM.
Having the files on your HD is fine as long as you can
access it..
>
> >want sound, so it's integrated on the motherboard with the
>
> But Ive got a better card and I dont want crap built in that I cant
> upgrade.
I think that the idea is that you throw the computer away
instead, but you can upgrade using the PCI slots. Watch out
for video, though. Some of those "easy PCs" don't have an
AGP video slot and use system memory for video.
>
> >latest chipset. So that makes the computer cheaper. Or you
> >build your own. But you can buy computers with no software
> >at all, or with only the OS. You can even buy them without
> >monitors or keyboards, but from specialist builders.
>
> These "specialist builders" are con merchants. Nothing they build is stable
> and all the hardware is full of conflicts. Its always me that gets called
> to spend 6 hours debugging them.
In that case you'd have to build it yourself, or spend a lot
more on a decent PC, rubbish software and all. You don't
want any kids software, do you? I got lots with my computer
and all I did was remove it.
>
> >> >put it. Anyway, I'd rather help someone get rid of their old
> >> >P111 500.
> >>
> >> >> When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
> >> >
> >> >RISC has been around for a long time. Motorola, as used in
> >> >Macs, for instance. Intel ones, haven't a clue and I don't
> >> >think they have either.
> >>
> >> But the Macs arent 64 bit yet. When is a 64bit OS coming out.
> >
> >It keeps getting put off. Technical problems. Don't forget
> >all the new software to make use of it, and maybe everything
> >else too.
>
> Well Im not spending a grand to upgrade to a PIII only to find out that in
> a few months its no better than a 286.
Me neither. Athlon is better than PIII anyway.
>
> >> Why are games machines now 128bit but PC and Mac are still lagging behing
> at
> >> 32bit
> >
> >Because they are games optimized? Mobile phone chips are in
>
> And you never hear of the game being full of Buggs like PC games.
Probably because they are written for a games console. No
need to worry about conflicts of the type you get in a PC.
>
> >advance of PC ones as well. In fact the whole phone is....
>
> All apart from the display.
That's the snag. Tiny.
>
> >> What ever happened to the doubling in processor speed every 18 months.
> This
> >> time 5 years ago the P100 came out and now were only up to 800MHz. It
> >> should be 1000MHz
> >
> >People are saying that processors now are too fast for
> >ordinary programs. You don't need 1 GHZ, or even 500MHZ for
>
> You could do faster word processing on an Amega
You can on a PC with a simple word processor, without the
bells and whistles hardly anybody ever uses, the stuff that
slows it down and makes it hog disk space and memory.
>
> >a word processor or a browser. Of course the programs are
> >made bigger and have more bells and whistles so that you do
>
> They are bigger because none are optimised and are all full of spurious code
> and bitmaps.
>
> >need more sped, memory, and space. So far the 1 GHZ is an
> >over clocked, super cooled Athlon. It won't be long, but we
> >have faster processors every month now and we are getting to
> >the limit for silicon. The guy who came up with that rule
> >never expected processors running at 85o MHZ.
>
> The processors might run at 850MHz but the software still doesnt run any
> faster than on a 3MHz ZX Spectrum.
It does. You couldn't run a modern sound or graphics program
on a 486, never mind a Spectrum. In fact you couldn't run
Linux either, although that will run on a 486.
>
> >> >> Why dont the tool tips in OE 5 appear 1 pixel above the highlighted
> >> message
> >> >> header and not completely covering them like theyre meant to.
> >> >
> >> >Isn't that normal? They cover them in OE5 and Netscape.
> >>
> >> No it is not normal. They are 1 pixel out of alignment. They should cover
> >> all of the text but when you hover the mouse pointer over the header the
> >> text turns yellow and jumps up 1 pixel.
> >
> >It turns yellow and jumps out, up, or something, but I've
> >never checked to see if it moves by 1 pixel.
>
> Thats what it does. Never did that in OE 4.
It's supposed to be like that (I think). If not, it's one of
those 'special unannounced features'.
>
> >The Icons like the pair of glasses
> >> in the columns to the left of the headers are not centred in their
> columns
> >> either.
> >
> >They are on the same line as the header. Isn't that centred
> >enough?
>
> They are not in the centre of the sub-column.
Fussy, fussy.
>
> >How could MicroCrap overlook this. Its starring them in the
> >face.
> >> They dont give a fuk if the cant fix a bug that is so obvious.
> >
> >They overlook a lot of things, but I don't think I've ever
> >had that problem. If there is a problem they bring out an
> >upgrade and expect the customer to pay for the bugs that
>
> And expect you to down load 20MB all over again for a patch that takes up
> only 64K.
I know, and I can't even install the latest IE5. I get a
message saying that I haven't uninstalled something else
fully, and to reboot first, but I have, and rebooting makes
no difference. In fact, every time I start Windows I get the
"starting for the first time" message. No matter how many
times I reinstall it still happens. I suppose I could back
it up, uninstall Windows, install W95, then my W98
upgrade....
>
> >shouldn't have been in the first program to be fixed. Then
> >the upgrade has new bugs, etc...
>
> Its deliberate
Or the code has got too complicated for it to work unless it
goes Open Source and lets everybody examine the source code
and modify it.
>
> >> 5 ? I cant see 5. Where are they. W95 only kept 1 and that was corrupted
> >> also, or morel likely it got corrupted as soon as it got booted with IE5
> >> installed.
> >
> >I think they're in windows/system somewhere, but I can't
> >remember. I have seen them though, once or twice when I was
> >checking all Windows files. It's all done automatically
> >anyway. I also use TweakAll for backups of registry and .ini
> >files, amongst other things, but you can only use that if
> >you can boot into windows.
>
> And if it dint crash and loose all of its registry settings like my copy did
> which I had to reinstall.
And mine, so I have a bad registry from then. I do not want
to defter windows!
>
> >> >corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
> >> >delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
> >> >registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
> >> >computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
> >> >Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
> >>
> >> W98 has done that to me also. I click on a link in IE 4 or in an e-mail
> and
> >> it re-boots for no apparent reason.
> >
> >Do you know how to stop it? It's only just started
>
> No. It seems to be random and only happens in W98
For me, random and happens in W98 after my installing other
Internet software
>
> >happening with me, and I've had IE5 and OE5 for a long
> >time.
>
> >> >again, that's how OE became corrupted in the first place.
> >>
> >> The last time it done that to me it corrupted my active news groups file
> and
> >> it was impossible to re-load it until I deleted the whole news folder and
> >> set-up all of up my account details from scratch.
> >
> >I'm wondering if I can't reinstall because of PGP. I have a
> >PGPOE left after uninstalling, maybe that's causing the
> >problem.
>
> PGP isnt the problem.
>
> IE/OE5 wont let you install a lower version ontop of a higher version even
> if the difference is only 00.00.01.
>
> You have to delete all of the higher dlls to get it to re-install and even
> doing that that has its limits.
I can't even install the latest version I download. Or
rather, I can, but it has no working outfox, same as the old
copy.
>
> >> >> >> >> And both are Poles, like you wanted.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Oh, POLES, not polls. I didn't mean that kind of poll, and
> >> >> >> >please don't suggest telegraph poles either, that's still
> >> >> >> >the wrong kind!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What about a May Pole ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Why do you keep on about Poles? Too early to dance round a
> >> >>
> >> >> It was you that brought them up.
> >> >
> >> >I brought up POLLS. As in voting. Not poles.
> >>
> >> Oh polls.
> >>
> >> So are you gong to set one up.
> >
> >My ISP won't let me use cgi scripts other than the ones they
> >provide, and I doubt that Deja would let me pose that
> >question in one of their polls. I could try, though.
>
> What was the question again. Ive forgotten.
A poll on whether porn films showing oral sex turned men on.
>
> >> Look at the cave paintings. Painted by Men, and depicting men in the
> hunt,
> >> using tools like spears axes.
> >
> >Cave paintings are believed to be religious, painted by
> >priests. That is a sign of a patriarchal society, women
>
> No. Its the sign of a Shamanistic society
Shamanistic MALES. Never heard of a female shaman. Note the
"man" after the 'sha'.
>
> >probably weren't allowed to do cave paintings. And women's
>
> They werent Shamans or Medicine Men.
That is my point.
>
> >work and tools would be beneath the notice of men. It was on
> >the 1st of the Ape man programs, cave painting.
>
> Yes, and the sub titles were written in tiny White lettering on a White
> Background that doesnt show up on VHS.
Were there subtitles? I can't remember, but there was
nothing said that I couldn't understand. Subtitles show on
my VHS, but white letters on white background would always
be invisible, same as black on black.
>
> >> >Spacial abilities, as I just said. Women having more
> >> >accidents driving? Is that why insurance companies charge
> >> >lower premiums to women? Acturial tables show that women
> >> >have less accidents than men. Maybe it has something to do
> >>
> >> Thats because there are less women on the road.
> >
> >No it isn't. Actuarial tables aren't worked that way. We are
> >talking of percentages.
>
> And since the percentage of women on the roads is less the overall
> statistics are lower.
Do you know how statistics are worked out? 10% of 20 is the
same 10% if there are millions. If you spent 10% of what you
earned on clothes, it would still be 10% whether you made 5
hundred or 5 thousand a month.
>
> Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in accidents
> out of only Women Drivers
The figures do exist. So do those for men. That is why
insurance costs less for women.
>
> >> Proportionately women cause more accidents than men.
> >
> >Male myth.
>
> Fact.
Myth created by men to make them feel superior.
>
> >> >with men treating a car as an extension to a part of the
> >> >anatomy that women don't possess?
> >>
> >> No, its because women dont know how to drive and cause the men infront or
> >> behind them to have accidents avoiding their dangerous manoeuvring.
> >
> >It's because men can't stand having a woman in front of
> >them, so take stupid risks to get in front of her. They are
>
> It because Women cant judge the speed of the road.
Of course they can! But, from my experience, there are a lot
of men who can't, unless they have a death wish.
>
> Some idiot women drove into to the back of my dads stationary car and tried
> to make out on the insurance claim that it was his fault for damaging her
> car.
An idiot man tried to overtake me on a bend, hit me and
tried to claim it was my fault. I was going straight, he was
trying to get in front of me in a spot where overtaking
wasn't allowed because you can't see if any traffic is
coming the other way. There was.
>
> >the same with each other, always want to be the one in
> >front. That is why men have more accidents. Plus showing off
>
> Because there are more men on the road.
How does that give an excuse for a man doing 70 to overtake
a woman doing the same speed, then slow down to 60 as soon
as he has overtaken?
>
> >to their friends. Women are more likely to calculate risks
>
> Oh like driving into the back of parked cars.
Men do that. You said there are more men than women on the
roads, that means more men than women drive into the back of
parked cars.
>
> >and not take stupid ones. Which is why a man doesn't like
> >being behind a woman driving slowly on icy roads in thick
> >fog. He overtakes without being able to see if any car was
> >travelling towards him, see that there was, brake, and skid
> >into two or three other cars. Typical male behaviour.
>
> The woman always drives across both carriageways so it impossible to
> overtake her without causing an accident
No she doesn't, the man does that. Why overtake her anyway
if she's doing the same speed as you?
>
> >> It only developed into a decent society when men took over. 200,000 years
> of
> >> stagnation and then man the inventor brought about the dawn of
> civilisation
> >> when he broker free of his chains.
> >
> >Wishful thinking. You can say what you wish, because nobody
> >knows. But the cave paintings point to men being in charge
> >even then.
>
> The men did all the work. They were slaves to the women.
Why do you reverse everything? He may have chosen to act
like a slave until he managed to get what he wanted, but not
afterwards.
>
> >> >> >> Dont you remember you Green Cross Code ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Of course!!! I'd forgotten the green man in it though.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hes the one that flashes when its time to cross.
> >> >
> >> >I never thought of the green flasher before. Aren't it
> >> >puffins that flash?
> >>
> >> No, you mean Pelicans.
> >
> >Pelicans and Puffins then.
>
> What about Zebras ?
Of course, the orange flashing belisha beacons. No green.
>
> >> >> >> I was always in December because Mary got herself up the duff in
> March
> >> >> which
> >> >> >> was when the year started.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No it wasn't. It was in the summer, I think. It was changed
> >> >> >to coincide with the most important pagan festival,
> >> >> >midwinter.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah, but midwinter was not in December 2000 years ago. Precession of
> the
> >> >> earth would have made it one moth earlier or later wouldnt it, like
> the
> >> >> constellations. Or is the year different ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Im confused now !
> >> >
> >> >So am I! How could midwinter ever be in the summer?
> >>
> >> The months were different places. Every 24,000 years or so the earths
> axis
> >> processes.
> >
> >But still summer has the long days and warmth, winter has
> >short days and is colder. So the difference is obvious. We
> >don't even know if months had names then.
>
> The did in Rome 2000 years ago and that enough for precession to have an
> effect.
And Julius and Augustus wanted months named after them, with
the same number of days so we have a short February. But it
is documented that Christmas was not in winter originally,
and the change. It says that the date was changed, not the
season.
>
> >> >> >The MALE sun.
> >> >>
> >> >> Only the Sun GOD was male. The sun GOD carried the sun through the sky
> in
> >> a
> >> >> chariot. This implies that the sun and the sun GOD were different
> >> entities.
> >> >
> >> >OK, the sun was neuter if you like, but there would be no
> >> >sun without a sun GOD. Nobody to carry the sun.
> >>
> >> The sun was an aspect of the Triple Goddess.
> >
> >Nonsense.
>
> NONSENSE to you.
It's not my fault it's nonsense.
>
> >> Why else would she be called the Triple Goddess, which comprised of the
> >> Earth, Moon and Sun.
> >
> >Did not. Comprised of youth, maturity and death. You are
> >thinking male again.
>
> Did so.
Exactly. Thinking like a man. Not that I expect a man to
think like a woman.
>
> >> Because the sun God carried the sun in his chariot it ensured that no
> human
> >> sacrifices were necessary to the Triple Goddess to make the sun rise
> every
> >> day.
> >
> >Why sacrifices to a goddess to make the sun rise? You think
>
> The goddess was the sun. When the sun God took over he carried the goddess
> in his chariot so she had no choices but to rise.
The sun has never been female. That's a male dominance
fantasy.
>
> >that she was so powerful she could make her consort, the
> >sun, do what she wanted. Safer to sacrifice direct to the
> >sun god, which is what happened.
>
> No the sacrifice were to the Triple Goddess that was the sun, not the sun
> God who drove the sun.
The sun was not a goddess.
>
> >> >Which is what I was giving as the reason that men have more
> >> >accidents when driving than women do. The vehicle is an
> >> >extension.
> >>
> >> So it is more under control then isnt it, being a natural extension.
> >
> >As much under control as the phallus? You have made my point
> >there.
>
> I can see you havent met a real man yet.
Haven't I?
>
> >> >> >> But they were not fully patriarchal. The still worshipped a female
> god
> >> >> >> (Elohim) with 3 aspects, and not the male Thunder God like all
> other
> >> >> >> patriarchal religions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Genesis and Enoch do not reflect the Jewish religion of most
> >> >> >of the OT. Even they don't seem very matriarchal to me,
> >> >> >regardless of Elohim. I thought that was a plural.
> >> >>
> >> >> Feminine plural. It included in all the Feminist Bibiles.
> >> >
> >> >Feminism...another idea that distorts the truth. Maybe if
> >> >you read both male and female oriented versions and took the
> >> >bits that are in aggreement, you'd reach something close to
> >> >the original. I've never seen a feminist Bible, unless you
> >>
> >> depends what you mean by original.
> >
> >What was first believed by those people, before it was
> >written down.
>
> Spirits I suppose.
Nature spirits, that's the earliest belief, I think.
>
> >> >mean a book supporting feminism.
> >>
> >> No. Feminist bibles translate Elohim correctly as a feminine plural
> rather
> >> than replacing it with god.
> >
> >THOSE! The ones that say God is a woman. God is above
> >earthly things like sexual differences. He doesn't need to
> >reproduce.
>
> Oh, well that means we can all throw the NT away then. (an I dont mean
> Windows 2000)
Are you saying that Bill Gates is God? LOL
>
> >> Gorillas have nothing to do with the development of humans. They are a
> >> completely different genus. It is only Chimpanzees that share the same
> >> ancestor as humans. Go back 6 million years and the common ancestor was
> >> almost chimp like, then they started to diverge
> >
> >I know, our genes are something like 99% in common with
> >chimps. But behaviour can be more like human in other apes.
>
> Or cats which have an almost identical nervous system.
Cats brains are different to ours, very different. I had to
study them once.
>
> >> >A woman isn't territory, or property. She is a human being
> >> >in her own right. I'd understand if she wanted a spare man
> >> >in the regular one's house, or bed, but not otherwise. If he
> >> >wants a faithful woman he has to be the same.
> >>
> >> That would be an invasion of the males territory. Men do not like their
> >> territory invaded or their property stolen. The impostor would face a
> fight
> >> and be killed by the dominant male if he persisted.
> >
> >Women are not property. Women are people with the same
> >rights as men.
>
> Right only come with obligations. Women are oblige not to stray.
Only if the man is strong enough to keep her.
>
> >> >> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
> >> >> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and arching
> >> his
> >> >> back
> >> >> >> inwards>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Purrrrr.. Purrrrr..
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
> >> >> >over and over and over>
> >> >>
> >> >> PURRRRR.. PURRRRR
> >> >>
> >> >> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
> >> >
> >> ><Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
> >> >Aggie-tom's cheeks>
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom rubbing cheeks into Annas hand and raising head so he can be
> >> tickled under the chin>
> >
> ><Anna tickling Aggie-tom under chin>
>
> <Aggie-tom blowing on Annas fingers through his nostrils>
<Anna rubbing the scent glands in Aggie-tom's cheeks>
>
> >> >> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Annas chest and stretching
> >> claws
> >> >> >> out>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
> >> >> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Aggie-tom cant help how hes built.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
> >> >> >are and be gentle with them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
> >> >
> >> >Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
> >> >doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
> >>
> >> But a leather jacket isnt as warm for Aggie-tom and its more difficult to
>
> >> hold onto.
> >
> >Ok, an old, thick, chunky woollen jumper. Do you like that,
> >Aggie-tom? It's soft and easy to put your claws into.
>
> Thats much better.
>
> <Aggie-tom rolling around on Annas woollen jumper>
>
> purrrr.. purrrr. purrrr
Careful Aggie-tom, I'm still wearing it.
>
> >> >> Aggie-tom will stop purring if he cant stretch out his claws.
> >> >
> >> >Anna's wearing some old leather that Aggie-tom can stretch
> >> >his claws on as much as he wants, now.
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom trying to grip onto the leather but his claws slip off and so
> >> stops purring>
> >
> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up again after putting woollen
> >jumper on>
> >
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring as he
> >> starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
> >>
> >> purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
> >
> >Do you want to go for a walk sitting on Anna's shoulder,
> >Aggie-tom?
>
> If you walk steadily and dont make any sudden movements
>
> <Aggie-tom gripping onto Annass shoulder while she stands up>
Anna used to take cats for walks sitting on her shoulder.
See how careful not to jolt Aggie-tom Anna is?
>
> >> >> >Just how big is Aggie-tom? Not enough of him to go round....
> >> >>
> >> >> Theres lots of Aggie-tom to go round. Aggie-tom is very generous.
> >> >
> >> >Is Aggie-tom very generously built then?
> >>
> >> Aggie-tom is not fat..
> >
> >Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
> >that....
>
> No he did not.
It sounded as if he did, with his 'plenty to go around.
>
> >> He is referring to his appendages.
> >
> >Appendages? How many?
>
> All of them.
All four? that makes a maximum of four kittens, and he
wouldn't be able to go anywhere with all his legs wrapped
round them.
>
> >> >> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all
> back.
> >> >
> >> >And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
> >> >because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
> >> >one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
> >> >them back.
> >>
> >> Aggie-tom is spending lots of time with Anna. What is she complaining
> about.
> >
> >Anna is not complaining about that. She is complaining about
> >Aggie-tom talking about lots and lots of kitties.
>
> What wrong in that. You talk about your children dont you. Aggie-tom talks
> about his kitties.
I didn't think that Aggie-tom meant baby kittens.
>
> >> Krissie-kat is nowhere to be found. Where could she be.
> >
> >I saw an invitation with a woollen jumper from her.
>
> Two woollen jumpers for Aggie-tom to play on. Must be his lucky day.
>
> PUUUURRRRRRRRRRR
>
> >> >> >> It would cause inbreeding and bring about eventual sterility. Same
> as
> >> >> >> marriage between members of the same family.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >50% of the worlds population is female. A child from two
> >> >> >different women would have plenty of genetic variety.
> >> >>
> >> >> But it would be female.
> >> >
> >> >Of course it would. That's why I don't like the idea. I like
> >> >men, they are often more interesting than women. But a
> >> >female-only population would be viable.
> >>
> >> Only it there werent any natural disasters and then everyone would become
> >> extinct.
> >
> >Isn't that true anyway?
>
> But you would have to rely on technology to reproduce and if that were
> destroyed you would be finished.
That is true, unless genetic engineering could make a
permanent change. But I don't like that idea. No fun!!!
>
> >> >> >I thought that it was saying that those were true apes, not
> >> >> >yet hominids, although they walked upright when they weren't
> >> >>
> >> >> Nope. The divergence from true apes occurred 6 million years ago, but
> no
> >> >> explanation was given as to why.
> >> >
> >> >The upright ape was a mutation that could see further by
> >> >standing up when there weren't any trees? They did give the
> >>
> >> Not according to the online debate. The early hominids stood upright
> >> in-order to regulate their body temperature more easily in the sun.
> >
> >Sounds like someone got confused with reptiles there.
>
> You try lying down in the sun covered in fur. Stand upright and it isnt as
> hot. The sun only shines ono you head.
A third of your body heat is gained or lost through your
head. That's the reason for covering it when it's very hot
or cold.
>
> >> >reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
> >> >climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
> >> >find.
> >>
> >> Only in the areas where hominids developed. Chimps still use rocks to
> break
> >> open nuts and berries as doe squirrels so that sort of behaviour was
> >> already present while they were in the trees.
> >>
> >> The change in climate force the out of the trees and into eating meat so
> >> their
> >> brains developed faster
> >
> >That's what I was saying.
>
> Well then
But for both males and females.
Aggie-Tom
defined.>...
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
>> >>
>> Since MS are no-longer going to support W9x why install a defunct
operating
>> system.
>
>They are still supporting it now. When they finally come out
>with the home version of W2000 they'll stop supporting W9x.
So as I said, no point in upgrading to Windows Millennium
>>
>> Oh you mean MS make the programs run slower so you have to buy a faster
PC.
>
>No, I mean that MS writes programs that won't work properly
>unless you by a new, faster PC. Same result, slightly
>different method.
My Dell Dimension P100 seems to be coping allright.
. "It encourages pirating" they say. Which means if
>
>I haven't a clue what it will cost. Probably a bit more than
>W98, at a rough guess. As for no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft,
>I think that will encourage pirating. If you want one for a
>new PC, a lot of people would rather buy a pirated copy than
>pay for it twice. Most don't know enough to buy a PC without
>an OS and install one they bought to a clean disc.
Most people, Fact all people require a PC to begin with before they start
building their own, inorder to copy all the drivers and make the boot disks
for the new one.
>> Making you pay £80 for an upgrade which is full of bugs encourages
pirating.
>>
>> >you have a computer without Windows on CD and your HD
>> >crashes, you have to go and buy a new copy of the OS.
>>
>> At £150. Why not just buy a pirate copy of W2000. The going rate seems to
be
>> £20 over here, but I haven seen a copy yet.
>
>It's on the Warez sites, if you can get through the porn and
>the viruses.
I herd it was 600MB long. How can I download all of that in 2 hours. More
like 2 weeks.
>> >> You can have it but only after Ive taken my SCSI adapter, Sound Card
and
>> >> SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
>> >
>> >I'd only need a network adapter and CD ROM, but what do you
>> >want an old, slow one for? Or is it? I want to set up a
>>
>> 40x SCSI isnt slow. Its faster than the caching speed of the IDE Hard
Disk.
>
>That isn't slow. I thought the SCSI was for something else
CD Rom and CD ReWriter
>and you had the original CD drive (if it had one).
It was only 4x and wouldn’t do good DAE so got rid of it
>> >server and client for NT and Linux.
>>
>> Thats what I wanted to do when I thought un-metered access meant you
didnt
>> get cut of every 2 hours and could connect a web server to a cable modem.
>Wait foe ADSL, if it doesn't cost too much. Cable can be
What hardware do I need for that.
>fast and permanently on, but because it's shared it can get
>very slow. I can't even have cable TV, anyway. When they put
>the cable in they missed my road. :-( Said they would lay it
>later. That was about 2 years ago and they still haven't
>done it. ADSL is permanently on and you get fast download
>speeds (but not upload).
If you cant up-load how do you send E-mail
>> How do you boot up the W98 CD then. You need to install a SCSI driver in
my
>> case and configure it with the CD ROM driver. Even with IDE drives you
still
>> had to have a CD ROM boot disk.
>
>You get a rescue floppy, and you can make a boot disk. For
>drivers I guess you have to go to the MS web site, but you
>do have the complete installation files on your HDD. I had
>that when I bought this computer, but I also had the CD ROM.
>Having the files on your HD is fine as long as you can
>access it..
But you have to have a working PC first in-order to do that.
You cant copy drivers from one floppy to another in DOS if you only have one
floppy drive which is running the command programme.
>> >latest chipset. So that makes the computer cheaper. Or you
>> >build your own. But you can buy computers with no software
>> >at all, or with only the OS. You can even buy them without
>> >monitors or keyboards, but from specialist builders.
>>
>> These "specialist builders" are con merchants. Nothing they build is
stable
>> and all the hardware is full of conflicts. Its always me that gets called
>> to spend 6 hours debugging them.
>
>In that case you'd have to build it yourself, or spend a lot
>more on a decent PC, rubbish software and all. You don't
>want any kids software, do you? I got lots with my computer
>and all I did was remove it.
Why do they have to include all that crap.
All I want is Office 2000 and Windows 2000, but not at 500 quid extra for
each.
>> >They overlook a lot of things, but I don't think I've ever
>> >had that problem. If there is a problem they bring out an
>> >upgrade and expect the customer to pay for the bugs that
>>
>> And expect you to down load 20MB all over again for a patch that takes up
>> only 64K.
>
>I know, and I can't even install the latest IE5. I get a
>message saying that I haven't uninstalled something else
Yep.. I got that. The only thing I could do was re-format, like I think you
have done from you other post. You haven’t been stupid enough to re-install
IE 5 again have you ?
>fully, and to reboot first, but I have, and rebooting makes
>no difference. In fact, every time I start Windows I get the
>"starting for the first time" message. No matter how many
>times I reinstall it still happens. I suppose I could back
>it up, uninstall Windows, install W95, then my W98
>upgrade....
>
>> >shouldn't have been in the first program to be fixed. Then
>> >the upgrade has new bugs, etc...
>>
>> Its deliberate
>
>Or the code has got too complicated for it to work unless it
>goes Open Source and lets everybody examine the source code
That what I want. I’m sick of using software that I can programme better my
self if I had the source code.
>and modify it.
>> >> >corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
>> >> >delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
>> >> >registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
>> >> >computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
>> >> >Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
>> >>
>> >> W98 has done that to me also. I click on a link in IE 4 or in an
e-mail
>> and
>> >> it re-boots for no apparent reason.
>> >
>> >Do you know how to stop it? It's only just started
>>
>> No. It seems to be random and only happens in W98
>
>For me, random and happens in W98 after my installing other
>Internet software
I’ll look out for that.
>> No. Its the sign of a Shamanistic society
>
>Shamanistic MALES. Never heard of a female shaman. Note the
>"man" after the 'sha'.
The Shamans still had the carved "Venus" so there must have been some sort
of priestesses around and they were worshipping a Nature goddess.
>> >probably weren't allowed to do cave paintings. And women's
>>
>> They werent Shamans or Medicine Men.
>
>That is my point.
>> >work and tools would be beneath the notice of men. It was on
>> >the 1st of the Ape man programs, cave painting.
>>
>> Yes, and the sub titles were written in tiny White lettering on a White
>> Background that doesnt show up on VHS.
>
>Were there subtitles? I can't remember, but there was
Yes, for the bit in that African clicking dialect spoken by the tribesmen
>nothing said that I couldn't understand. Subtitles show on
>my VHS, but white letters on white background would always
>be invisible, same as black on black.
>> And since the percentage of women on the roads is less the overall
>> statistics are lower.
>
>Do you know how statistics are worked out? 10% of 20 is the
>same 10% if there are millions. If you spent 10% of what you
>earned on clothes, it would still be 10% whether you made 5
>hundred or 5 thousand a month.
By 5% of all drives say 5 out of 100 is not the same 5% of women drives if
women drivers make up only 30%. 5% would then be 5/30 = 17%
>> Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in
accidents
>> out of only Women Drivers
>
>The figures do exist. So do those for men. That is why
>insurance costs less for women.
Because there are less of them.
>> >> No, its because women dont know how to drive and cause the men infront
or
>> >> behind them to have accidents avoiding their dangerous manoeuvring.
>> >
>> >It's because men can't stand having a woman in front of
>> >them, so take stupid risks to get in front of her. They are
>>
>> It because Women cant judge the speed of the road.
>
>Of course they can! But, from my experience, there are a lot
Some may be. 90% cant though
>of men who can't, unless they have a death wish.
Thats different.
>> Some idiot women drove into to the back of my dads stationary car and
tried
>> to make out on the insurance claim that it was his fault for damaging her
>> car.
>
>An idiot man tried to overtake me on a bend, hit me and
>tried to claim it was my fault. I was going straight, he was
>trying to get in front of me in a spot where overtaking
>wasn't allowed because you can't see if any traffic is
>coming the other way. There was.
Were you driving in the middle of the road and covering the markings
>>
>> >the same with each other, always want to be the one in
>> >front. That is why men have more accidents. Plus showing off
>>
>> Because there are more men on the road.
>
>How does that give an excuse for a man doing 70 to overtake
Should have overtaken at 80.
What was he driving.
>a woman doing the same speed, then slow down to 60 as soon
>as he has overtaken?
>> >to their friends. Women are more likely to calculate risks
>>
>> Oh like driving into the back of parked cars.
>
>Men do that. You said there are more men than women on the
>roads, that means more men than women drive into the back of
>parked cars.
But out of women drives only, accidents occur more often.
>> >and not take stupid ones. Which is why a man doesn't like
>> >being behind a woman driving slowly on icy roads in thick
>> >fog. He overtakes without being able to see if any car was
>> >travelling towards him, see that there was, brake, and skid
>> >into two or three other cars. Typical male behaviour.
>>
>> The woman always drives across both carriageways so it impossible to
>> overtake her without causing an accident
>
>No she doesn't, the man does that. Why overtake her anyway
>if she's doing the same speed as you?
What were you driving ?
>> >> It only developed into a decent society when men took over. 200,000
years
>> of
>> >> stagnation and then man the inventor brought about the dawn of
>> civilisation
>> >> when he broker free of his chains.
>> >
>> >Wishful thinking. You can say what you wish, because nobody
>> >knows. But the cave paintings point to men being in charge
>> >even then.
>>
>> The men did all the work. They were slaves to the women.
>
>Why do you reverse everything? He may have chosen to act
>like a slave until he managed to get what he wanted, but not
>afterwards.
So why did he allow himself to be sacrificed to the Triple Goddess
>> >But still summer has the long days and warmth, winter has
>> >short days and is colder. So the difference is obvious. We
>> >don't even know if months had names then.
>>
>> The did in Rome 2000 years ago and that enough for precession to have an
>> effect.
>
>And Julius and Augustus wanted months named after them, with
>the same number of days so we have a short February. But it
>is documented that Christmas was not in winter originally,
>and the change. It says that the date was changed, not the
>season.
But how do you work out the months with precession going on.
Are the months based on positions the fixed stars with respect to the earth
or on the time seasons
>> >> Why else would she be called the Triple Goddess, which comprised of
the
>> >> Earth, Moon and Sun.
>> >
>> >Did not. Comprised of youth, maturity and death. You are
>> >thinking male again.
>>
>> Did so.
>
>Exactly. Thinking like a man. Not that I expect a man to
>think like a woman.
Of cause not. He’s a man with a far bigger brain.
>> >that she was so powerful she could make her consort, the
>> >sun, do what she wanted. Safer to sacrifice direct to the
>> >sun god, which is what happened.
>>
>> No the sacrifice were to the Triple Goddess that was the sun, not the sun
>> God who drove the sun.
>
>The sun was not a goddess.
Yes it was. The Triple Goddess.
>> I can see you havent met a real man yet.
>
>Haven't I?
Oh.. I dont mean including me
>> >What was first believed by those people, before it was
>> >written down.
>>
>> Spirits I suppose.
>
>Nature spirits, that's the earliest belief, I think.
And nature is ?
Female !
>> >> >mean a book supporting feminism.
>> >>
>> >> No. Feminist bibles translate Elohim correctly as a feminine plural
>> rather
>> >> than replacing it with god.
>> >
>> >THOSE! The ones that say God is a woman. God is above
>> >earthly things like sexual differences. He doesn't need to
>> >reproduce.
>>
>> Oh, well that means we can all throw the NT away then. (an I dont mean
>> Windows 2000)
>
>Are you saying that Bill Gates is God? LOL
No more like the temptation
>> >> Gorillas have nothing to do with the development of humans. They are a
>> >> completely different genus. It is only Chimpanzees that share the same
>> >> ancestor as humans. Go back 6 million years and the common ancestor
was
>> >> almost chimp like, then they started to diverge
>> >
>> >I know, our genes are something like 99% in common with
>> >chimps. But behaviour can be more like human in other apes.
>>
>> Or cats which have an almost identical nervous system.
>
>Cats brains are different to ours, very different. I had to
>study them once.
But their feelings are the same.
>> Right only come with obligations. Women are oblige not to stray.
>
>Only if the man is strong enough to keep her.
And isn’t Aggie-tom strong enough for you.
>> >> >> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
>> >> >> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and
arching
>> >> his
>> >> >> back
>> >> >> >> inwards>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Purrrrr.. Purrrrr..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
>> >> >> >over and over and over>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PURRRRR.. PURRRRR
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
>> >> >
>> >> ><Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
>> >> >Aggie-tom's cheeks>
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom rubbing cheeks into Annas hand and raising head so he can
be
>> >> tickled under the chin>
>> >
>> ><Anna tickling Aggie-tom under chin>
>>
>> <Aggie-tom blowing on Annas fingers through his nostrils>
>
><Anna rubbing the scent glands in Aggie-tom's cheeks>
<Aggie-tom rolling over onto his back and inviting Anna to tickle him
underneath>
>> >> >> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Annas chest and
stretching
>> >> claws
>> >> >> >> out>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
>> >> >> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Aggie-tom cant help how hes built.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
>> >> >> >are and be gentle with them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
>> >> >
>> >> >Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
>> >> >doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
>> >>
>> >> But a leather jacket isnt as warm for Aggie-tom and its more difficult
to
>>
>> >> hold onto.
>> >
>> >Ok, an old, thick, chunky woollen jumper. Do you like that,
>> >Aggie-tom? It's soft and easy to put your claws into.
>>
>> Thats much better.
>>
>> <Aggie-tom rolling around on Annas woollen jumper>
>>
>> purrrr.. purrrr. purrrr
>
>Careful Aggie-tom, I'm still wearing it.
<Aggie-tom extending claws to grip on>
>> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up again after putting woollen
>> >jumper on>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring as
he
>> >> starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
>> >>
>> >> purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
>> >
>> >Do you want to go for a walk sitting on Anna's shoulder,
>> >Aggie-tom?
>>
>> If you walk steadily and dont make any sudden movements
>>
>> <Aggie-tom gripping onto Annass shoulder while she stands up>
>
>Anna used to take cats for walks sitting on her shoulder.
>See how careful not to jolt Aggie-tom Anna is?
I always wanted to do that, but my cats wouldn’t let me
How do you train them
<Aggie-tom standing dignified on Anna’s shoulder and brushing whiskers with
from paws>
>> >Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
>> >that....
>>
>> No he did not.
>
>It sounded as if he did, with his 'plenty to go around.
He dint mean that kind of plenty.
>> >> He is referring to his appendages.
>> >
>> >Appendages? How many?
>>
>> All of them.
>
>All four? that makes a maximum of four kittens, and he
There’s more than four. More like 6 and more if you count appendage attached
to appendages separately.
>wouldn't be able to go anywhere with all his legs wrapped
>round them.
>> >> >> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all
>> back.
>> >> >
>> >> >And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
>> >> >because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
>> >> >one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
>> >> >them back.
>> >>
>> >> Aggie-tom is spending lots of time with Anna. What is she complaining
>> about.
>> >
>> >Anna is not complaining about that. She is complaining about
>> >Aggie-tom talking about lots and lots of kitties.
>>
>> What wrong in that. You talk about your children dont you. Aggie-tom
talks
>> about his kitties.
>
>I didn't think that Aggie-tom meant baby kittens.
Of cause not. He main his personal kitties.
>> >> Only it there werent any natural disasters and then everyone would
become
>> >> extinct.
>> >
>> >Isn't that true anyway?
>>
>> But you would have to rely on technology to reproduce and if that were
>> destroyed you would be finished.
>
>That is true, unless genetic engineering could make a
>permanent change. But I don't like that idea. No fun!!!
Hermaphrodite ?
>> You try lying down in the sun covered in fur. Stand upright and it isnt
as
>> hot. The sun only shines ono you head.
>
>A third of your body heat is gained or lost through your
>head. That's the reason for covering it when it's very hot
>or cold.
And the other two thirds.
>> >> >reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
>> >> >climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
>> >> >find.
>> >>
>> >> Only in the areas where hominids developed. Chimps still use rocks to
>> break
>> >> open nuts and berries as doe squirrels so that sort of behaviour was
>> >> already present while they were in the trees.
>> >>
>> >> The change in climate force the out of the trees and into eating meat
so
>> >> their
>> >> brains developed faster
>> >
>> >That's what I was saying.
>>
>> Well then
>
>But for both males and females.
But males developed faster being the hunter. More thought and tactics to
plan than plantain grass.
--
Aggie-tom
Still logged onto BT Internet on 0800 for 5hrs 35mins at 01:36 and haven
been disconnected yet.
RIK 3 has improved dramatically after midnight.
No more crap elafra and its now Hiotis, Zampetas and Tsitsanis.
I think I'll stay logged on for a bit longer sine its supposed to be free.
I wonder if I will get any sleep tonight.
Matthew Taylor
Aggie-Tom <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message
news:8a0sc5$348$1...@technetium.btinternet.com...
>
> These "specialist builders" are con merchants. Nothing they build is
stable
> and all the hardware is full of conflicts. Its always me that gets called
> to spend 6 hours debugging them.
It depends a lot on the company. Armari only do high-end systems, & will
build to order just about anything that you want. The test the compters
extensively, & I don't know of anyone who's had problems with them. There
prices are a bit on the high side though (25% more than sourcing the parts
youself).
>
> >> >put it. Anyway, I'd rather help someone get rid of their old
> >> >P111 500.
> >>
> >> >> When are the 64bit risk processors coming along..
> >> >
> >> >RISC has been around for a long time. Motorola, as used in
> >> >Macs, for instance. Intel ones, haven't a clue and I don't
> >> >think they have either.
> >>
> >> But the Macs arent 64 bit yet. When is a 64bit OS coming out.
> >
> >It keeps getting put off. Technical problems. Don't forget
> >all the new software to make use of it, and maybe everything
> >else too.
There are already lots of 64bit OS's in existence, they just aren't commonly
found on home computers.
Digital's (compaq now) Alpha chip is 64bit, & Digital Ultrix (if they havent
changed the name again) & linux for this procesor are both 64 bit.
When Windows NT ran on this processor (Microsoft / Compaq cut development
just before Christmas) , it was a a 32bit process, in the same way as 32bit
computers can run programs as 16bit processes.
>
> Well Im not spending a grand to upgrade to a PIII only to find out that in
> a few months its no better than a 286.
>
It will be more than a few months before the 64bit Itanium processors are
shipping in mainstream systems, as intialy they will be limited to Graphics
Workstations & Servers. ( comparable to the current situation with the Xeon
processors (& comparable price)
I'd guess at late 2001 before they come down to a reasonable price. (expect
serious problems to be discovered & bug fixes to be released late 2000).
Remember when the Pentium first came out - It was more than a year before
there were motherboards that would let itperform any better than a 486 DX2
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message <Error! Bookmark not
> defined.>...
> >
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> Kritifile<Error! Bookmark not defined. wrote in message...>
> >> >
> >> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >> >>
>
> >> Since MS are no-longer going to support W9x why install a defunct
> operating
> >> system.
> >
> >They are still supporting it now. When they finally come out
> >with the home version of W2000 they'll stop supporting W9x.
>
> So as I said, no point in upgrading to Windows Millennium
>
The recommendation is that if you have W98, don't bother.
(Microsoft doesn't recommend that though).
> >>
> >> Oh you mean MS make the programs run slower so you have to buy a faster
> PC.
> >
> >No, I mean that MS writes programs that won't work properly
> >unless you by a new, faster PC. Same result, slightly
> >different method.
>
> My Dell Dimension P100 seems to be coping allright.
You only need a faster processor for high end graphics and
games. Not ordinary home use. Most people never use the
potential of the processors they have. If it's slower, you
may have to use Word 95 instead of 95, W95 instead of 98,
and my speech recognition software has a minimum spec of 166
MHZ, so you couldn't use that.
>
> . "It encourages pirating" they say. Which means if
> >
> >I haven't a clue what it will cost. Probably a bit more than
> >W98, at a rough guess. As for no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft,
> >I think that will encourage pirating. If you want one for a
> >new PC, a lot of people would rather buy a pirated copy than
> >pay for it twice. Most don't know enough to buy a PC without
> >an OS and install one they bought to a clean disc.
>
> Most people, Fact all people require a PC to begin with before they start
> building their own, inorder to copy all the drivers and make the boot disks
> for the new one.
You can get those from motherboard manufacturers, friends,
etc. but I wouldn't advise someone who knows nothing about
computers to do it.
>
> >> Making you pay £80 for an upgrade which is full of bugs encourages
> pirating.
> >>
> >> >you have a computer without Windows on CD and your HD
> >> >crashes, you have to go and buy a new copy of the OS.
> >>
> >> At £150. Why not just buy a pirate copy of W2000. The going rate seems to
> be
> >> £20 over here, but I haven seen a copy yet.
> >
> >It's on the Warez sites, if you can get through the porn and
> >the viruses.
> I herd it was 600MB long. How can I download all of that in 2 hours. More
> like 2 weeks.
If ADSL were available....a minimum of 512 KB download
speed, can be 2 MB or over.
>
> >> >> You can have it but only after Ive taken my SCSI adapter, Sound Card
> and
> >> >> SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
> >> >
> >> >I'd only need a network adapter and CD ROM, but what do you
> >> >want an old, slow one for? Or is it? I want to set up a
> >>
> >> 40x SCSI isnt slow. Its faster than the caching speed of the IDE Hard
> Disk.
> >
> >That isn't slow. I thought the SCSI was for something else
>
> CD Rom and CD ReWriter
I knew that as soon as you said. I did think it could be for
a scanner or a SCSI HDD.
>
> >and you had the original CD drive (if it had one).
>
> It was only 4x and wouldn t do good DAE so got rid of it
I had one of those. It took 6 hours to install Lotus
Smartsuite to a 486 from CD.
>
> >> >server and client for NT and Linux.
> >>
> >> Thats what I wanted to do when I thought un-metered access meant you
> didnt
> >> get cut of every 2 hours and could connect a web server to a cable modem.
>
> >Wait foe ADSL, if it doesn't cost too much. Cable can be
>
> What hardware do I need for that.
A network card, probably the telco or ISP will supply it and
maybe install it. You also need ADSL to be available. BT ran
a trial in London and say it will be available within the
M25 area in a few months. Then next year all ISPs will be
able to use it, with the unbundling of the local loop. But
it won't work if you are too far from a telephone exchange
(about 5.5 Km), not the type that BT are using, anyway.
>
> >fast and permanently on, but because it's shared it can get
> >very slow. I can't even have cable TV, anyway. When they put
> >the cable in they missed my road. :-( Said they would lay it
> >later. That was about 2 years ago and they still haven't
> >done it. ADSL is permanently on and you get fast download
> >speeds (but not upload).
>
> If you cant up-load how do you send E-mail
You can upload, but not at the speeds that you can download.
Upload is at normal modem speeds.
>
> >> How do you boot up the W98 CD then. You need to install a SCSI driver in
> my
> >> case and configure it with the CD ROM driver. Even with IDE drives you
> still
> >> had to have a CD ROM boot disk.
> >
> >You get a rescue floppy, and you can make a boot disk. For
> >drivers I guess you have to go to the MS web site, but you
> >do have the complete installation files on your HDD. I had
> >that when I bought this computer, but I also had the CD ROM.
> >Having the files on your HD is fine as long as you can
> >access it..
>
> But you have to have a working PC first in-order to do that.
You have to be able to get into DOS at least. What happens
with Windows 2000 that doesn't have DOS?
>
> You cant copy drivers from one floppy to another in DOS if you only have one
> floppy drive which is running the command programme.
Memory? Ram drive?
>
> >> >latest chipset. So that makes the computer cheaper. Or you
> >> >build your own. But you can buy computers with no software
> >> >at all, or with only the OS. You can even buy them without
> >> >monitors or keyboards, but from specialist builders.
> >>
> >> These "specialist builders" are con merchants. Nothing they build is
> stable
> >> and all the hardware is full of conflicts. Its always me that gets called
> >> to spend 6 hours debugging them.
> >
> >In that case you'd have to build it yourself, or spend a lot
> >more on a decent PC, rubbish software and all. You don't
> >want any kids software, do you? I got lots with my computer
> >and all I did was remove it.
>
> Why do they have to include all that crap.
Because a lot of people are buying their first computer,
have no software, and couldn't use anything more complex
than Works until they learn how. And it gives them an
assortment of software, including some for the kids. I don't
want all that though.
>
> All I want is Office 2000 and Windows 2000, but not at 500 quid extra for
> each.
You can buy the programs for less than that!
>
> >> >They overlook a lot of things, but I don't think I've ever
> >> >had that problem. If there is a problem they bring out an
> >> >upgrade and expect the customer to pay for the bugs that
> >>
> >> And expect you to down load 20MB all over again for a patch that takes up
> >> only 64K.
> >
> >I know, and I can't even install the latest IE5. I get a
> >message saying that I haven't uninstalled something else
>
> Yep.. I got that. The only thing I could do was re-format, like I think you
> have done from you other post. You haven t been stupid enough to re-install
> IE 5 again have you ?
I like IE5. But I had to have the desktop update to be able
to use it the way I wanted. IE4 is no better than Netscape,
and I have the power to run IE5. No problems running it.
>
> >fully, and to reboot first, but I have, and rebooting makes
> >no difference. In fact, every time I start Windows I get the
> >"starting for the first time" message. No matter how many
> >times I reinstall it still happens. I suppose I could back
> >it up, uninstall Windows, install W95, then my W98
> >upgrade....
> >
> >> >shouldn't have been in the first program to be fixed. Then
> >> >the upgrade has new bugs, etc...
> >>
> >> Its deliberate
> >
> >Or the code has got too complicated for it to work unless it
> >goes Open Source and lets everybody examine the source code
>
> That what I want. I m sick of using software that I can programme better my
> self if I had the source code.
One reason for Linux, you have it.
>
> >and modify it.
>
> >> >> >corrupted it is supposed to load another. I suppose I could
> >> >> >delete user.dat and then user.1st would be used for the
> >> >> >registry. I've just started getting problems again, like my
> >> >> >computer rebooting sometimes when I have my mail and another
> >> >> >Internet program open at the same time. It just happened
> >> >>
> >> >> W98 has done that to me also. I click on a link in IE 4 or in an
> e-mail
> >> and
> >> >> it re-boots for no apparent reason.
> >> >
> >> >Do you know how to stop it? It's only just started
> >>
> >> No. It seems to be random and only happens in W98
> >
> >For me, random and happens in W98 after my installing other
> >Internet software
>
> I ll look out for that.
>
> >> No. Its the sign of a Shamanistic society
> >
> >Shamanistic MALES. Never heard of a female shaman. Note the
> >"man" after the 'sha'.
>
> The Shamans still had the carved "Venus" so there must have been some sort
> of priestesses around and they were worshipping a Nature goddess.
Men do have one thing that they like women for. Guess what,
the 'Venus' figures are a symbol of it.
>
> >> >probably weren't allowed to do cave paintings. And women's
> >>
> >> They werent Shamans or Medicine Men.
> >
> >That is my point.
>
> >> >work and tools would be beneath the notice of men. It was on
> >> >the 1st of the Ape man programs, cave painting.
> >>
> >> Yes, and the sub titles were written in tiny White lettering on a White
> >> Background that doesnt show up on VHS.
> >
> >Were there subtitles? I can't remember, but there was
>
> Yes, for the bit in that African clicking dialect spoken by the tribesmen
I missed that. Will subtitles show on my video of it this
week?
>
> >nothing said that I couldn't understand. Subtitles show on
> >my VHS, but white letters on white background would always
> >be invisible, same as black on black.
>
> >> And since the percentage of women on the roads is less the overall
> >> statistics are lower.
> >
> >Do you know how statistics are worked out? 10% of 20 is the
> >same 10% if there are millions. If you spent 10% of what you
> >earned on clothes, it would still be 10% whether you made 5
> >hundred or 5 thousand a month.
>
> By 5% of all drives say 5 out of 100 is not the same 5% of women drives if
> women drivers make up only 30%. 5% would then be 5/30 = 17%
So if 5% of the 30% who are women drivers have accidents,
and 15% of the 70% who are men have accidents, that makes a
higher percentage of men than women who have them.
>
> >> Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in
> accidents
> >> out of only Women Drivers
> >
> >The figures do exist. So do those for men. That is why
> >insurance costs less for women.
>
> Because there are less of them.
Less women doesn't matter. There are less drivers under 25,
but they pay a lot more than anyone else. It's less
accidents that matter.
>
> >> >> No, its because women dont know how to drive and cause the men infront
> or
> >> >> behind them to have accidents avoiding their dangerous manoeuvring.
> >> >
> >> >It's because men can't stand having a woman in front of
> >> >them, so take stupid risks to get in front of her. They are
> >>
> >> It because Women cant judge the speed of the road.
> >
> >Of course they can! But, from my experience, there are a lot
>
> Some may be. 90% cant though
90% of men, in my experience.
>
> >of men who can't, unless they have a death wish.
>
> Thats different.
>
> >> Some idiot women drove into to the back of my dads stationary car and
> tried
> >> to make out on the insurance claim that it was his fault for damaging her
> >> car.
> >
> >An idiot man tried to overtake me on a bend, hit me and
> >tried to claim it was my fault. I was going straight, he was
> >trying to get in front of me in a spot where overtaking
> >wasn't allowed because you can't see if any traffic is
> >coming the other way. There was.
>
> Were you driving in the middle of the road and covering the markings
No I was not! I was driving in the right lane in the right
part of it. Some men don't like being behind me, especially
when I get away from traffic lights faster than them.
>
> >>
> >> >the same with each other, always want to be the one in
> >> >front. That is why men have more accidents. Plus showing off
> >>
> >> Because there are more men on the road.
> >
> >How does that give an excuse for a man doing 70 to overtake
>
> Should have overtaken at 80.
Would have made a bigger bang. He still wouldn't have made
it. The important point is tat he couldn't see if it was
safe to overtake at any speed.
>
> What was he driving.
An ordinary car, not a sports one, not a Ferrari or Porsche.
I'd love to have a Porsche.
>
> >a woman doing the same speed, then slow down to 60 as soon
> >as he has overtaken?
>
> >> >to their friends. Women are more likely to calculate risks
> >>
> >> Oh like driving into the back of parked cars.
> >
> >Men do that. You said there are more men than women on the
> >roads, that means more men than women drive into the back of
> >parked cars.
>
> But out of women drives only, accidents occur more often.
Rubbish! It's a fact that women have less accidents. It's
also a fact that men like to think that they are the best
drivers.
>
> >> >and not take stupid ones. Which is why a man doesn't like
> >> >being behind a woman driving slowly on icy roads in thick
> >> >fog. He overtakes without being able to see if any car was
> >> >travelling towards him, see that there was, brake, and skid
> >> >into two or three other cars. Typical male behaviour.
> >>
> >> The woman always drives across both carriageways so it impossible to
> >> overtake her without causing an accident
> >
> >No she doesn't, the man does that. Why overtake her anyway
> >if she's doing the same speed as you?
>
> What were you driving ?
A 3 litre Ford Consul. Leather seats, metal sunroof, V6
engine...
>
> >> >> It only developed into a decent society when men took over. 200,000
> years
> >> of
> >> >> stagnation and then man the inventor brought about the dawn of
> >> civilisation
> >> >> when he broker free of his chains.
> >> >
> >> >Wishful thinking. You can say what you wish, because nobody
> >> >knows. But the cave paintings point to men being in charge
> >> >even then.
> >>
> >> The men did all the work. They were slaves to the women.
> >
> >Why do you reverse everything? He may have chosen to act
> >like a slave until he managed to get what he wanted, but not
> >afterwards.
>
> So why did he allow himself to be sacrificed to the Triple Goddess
Why did men sacrifice men?
>
> >> >But still summer has the long days and warmth, winter has
> >> >short days and is colder. So the difference is obvious. We
> >> >don't even know if months had names then.
> >>
> >> The did in Rome 2000 years ago and that enough for precession to have an
> >> effect.
> >
> >And Julius and Augustus wanted months named after them, with
> >the same number of days so we have a short February. But it
> >is documented that Christmas was not in winter originally,
> >and the change. It says that the date was changed, not the
> >season.
>
> But how do you work out the months with precession going on.
Winter is colder than summer and the days are shorter. Trees
don't have leaves, not many flowers, easy.
>
> Are the months based on positions the fixed stars with respect to the earth
> or on the time seasons
>
> >> >> Why else would she be called the Triple Goddess, which comprised of
> the
> >> >> Earth, Moon and Sun.
> >> >
> >> >Did not. Comprised of youth, maturity and death. You are
> >> >thinking male again.
> >>
> >> Did so.
> >
> >Exactly. Thinking like a man. Not that I expect a man to
> >think like a woman.
>
> Of cause not. He s a man with a far bigger brain.
He's a man so he doesn't always use his brain. It slips from
his head to somewhere lower quite often.
>
> >> >that she was so powerful she could make her consort, the
> >> >sun, do what she wanted. Safer to sacrifice direct to the
> >> >sun god, which is what happened.
> >>
> >> No the sacrifice were to the Triple Goddess that was the sun, not the sun
> >> God who drove the sun.
> >
> >The sun was not a goddess.
>
> Yes it was. The Triple Goddess.
No way!
>
> >> I can see you havent met a real man yet.
> >
> >Haven't I?
>
> Oh.. I dont mean including me
There are some real men around. Not many, but some. I've
never been interested in wimps.
>
> >> >What was first believed by those people, before it was
> >> >written down.
> >>
> >> Spirits I suppose.
> >
> >Nature spirits, that's the earliest belief, I think.
>
> And nature is ?
>
> Female !
And religion isn't organized.
>
> >> >> >mean a book supporting feminism.
> >> >>
> >> >> No. Feminist bibles translate Elohim correctly as a feminine plural
> >> rather
> >> >> than replacing it with god.
> >> >
> >> >THOSE! The ones that say God is a woman. God is above
> >> >earthly things like sexual differences. He doesn't need to
> >> >reproduce.
> >>
> >> Oh, well that means we can all throw the NT away then. (an I dont mean
> >> Windows 2000)
> >
> >Are you saying that Bill Gates is God? LOL
>
> No more like the temptation
Most of the temptation is in the OT, but I grant there is
some in the NT too. God may be sexless, but humans aren't.
>
> >> >> Gorillas have nothing to do with the development of humans. They are a
> >> >> completely different genus. It is only Chimpanzees that share the same
> >> >> ancestor as humans. Go back 6 million years and the common ancestor
> was
> >> >> almost chimp like, then they started to diverge
> >> >
> >> >I know, our genes are something like 99% in common with
> >> >chimps. But behaviour can be more like human in other apes.
> >>
> >> Or cats which have an almost identical nervous system.
> >
> >Cats brains are different to ours, very different. I had to
> >study them once.
>
> But their feelings are the same.
Cat's live in the present so they can't have feelings that
are the same. They don't worry about the future, or get
upset about the past
>
> >> Right only come with obligations. Women are oblige not to stray.
> >
> >Only if the man is strong enough to keep her.
>
> And isn t Aggie-tom strong enough for you.
Aggie-tom talks as if he has his mind on lots of
conquests....
>
> >> >> >> >> ><Anna running hand along Aggie's back, making sure she
> >> >> >> >> >strokes in the direction of the fur>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom straightiening tail, stretching out all legs and
> arching
> >> >> his
> >> >> >> back
> >> >> >> >> inwards>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Purrrrr.. Purrrrr..
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> ><Anna running hand down Aggie-tom's back, from head to tail,
> >> >> >> >over and over and over>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> PURRRRR.. PURRRRR
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <licking Annas hand as it reaches Aggie-toms face>
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><Anna holding hand out to be licked, then tickling
> >> >> >Aggie-tom's cheeks>
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom rubbing cheeks into Annas hand and raising head so he can
> be
> >> >> tickled under the chin>
> >> >
> >> ><Anna tickling Aggie-tom under chin>
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom blowing on Annas fingers through his nostrils>
> >
> ><Anna rubbing the scent glands in Aggie-tom's cheeks>
>
> <Aggie-tom rolling over onto his back and inviting Anna to tickle him
> underneath>
Does Aggie-tom want his tummy tickled?
<Anna stroking Aggie-tom's tummy>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> ><rubbing Aggie back>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <pushing feet up-and-down harder on Annas chest and
> stretching
> >> >> claws
> >> >> >> >> out>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Careful with those claws Aggie. I know that you're just
> >> >> >> >> >being affectionate, but do you know how sharp they are?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Aggie-tom cant help how hes built.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Of course he can't, but he must remember how sharp his claws
> >> >> >> >are and be gentle with them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why cant Anna put on a woolly jumper for protection.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Surely that would be a leather jacket, just to be safe. Anna
> >> >> >doesn't want bits of wool pulled out of her jumper.
> >> >>
> >> >> But a leather jacket isnt as warm for Aggie-tom and its more difficult
> to
> >>
> >> >> hold onto.
> >> >
> >> >Ok, an old, thick, chunky woollen jumper. Do you like that,
> >> >Aggie-tom? It's soft and easy to put your claws into.
> >>
> >> Thats much better.
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom rolling around on Annas woollen jumper>
> >>
> >> purrrr.. purrrr. purrrr
> >
> >Careful Aggie-tom, I'm still wearing it.
>
> <Aggie-tom extending claws to grip on>
Aggie-tom can hold onto that alright?
>
> >> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up again after putting woollen
> >> >jumper on>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring as
> he
> >> >> starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
> >> >>
> >> >> purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
> >> >
> >> >Do you want to go for a walk sitting on Anna's shoulder,
> >> >Aggie-tom?
> >>
> >> If you walk steadily and dont make any sudden movements
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom gripping onto Annass shoulder while she stands up>
> >
> >Anna used to take cats for walks sitting on her shoulder.
> >See how careful not to jolt Aggie-tom Anna is?
>
> I always wanted to do that, but my cats wouldn t let me
>
> How do you train them
They just liked sitting on my shoulder so I started walking
around with them sitting there. When I went out where they
might get frightened by traffic I put collars and leads on
them, but they did it since they were little kittens.
>
> <Aggie-tom standing dignified on Anna s shoulder and brushing whiskers with
> from paws>
>
> >> >Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
> >> >that....
> >>
> >> No he did not.
> >
> >It sounded as if he did, with his 'plenty to go around.
>
> He dint mean that kind of plenty.
Didn't he? What other kind of plenty is there?
>
> >> >> He is referring to his appendages.
> >> >
> >> >Appendages? How many?
> >>
> >> All of them.
> >
> >All four? that makes a maximum of four kittens, and he
>
> There s more than four. More like 6 and more if you count appendage attached
> to appendages separately.
Plus another 20 in that case.
>
> >wouldn't be able to go anywhere with all his legs wrapped
> >round them.
>
> >> >> >> That why he has a rota of kitties to visit, so he can win them all
> >> back.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And every one of them objects when he gowes on to the next,
> >> >> >because he's not spending enough time with one of them. Any
> >> >> >one of them. That's why he has to spend all his time winning
> >> >> >them back.
> >> >>
> >> >> Aggie-tom is spending lots of time with Anna. What is she complaining
> >> about.
> >> >
> >> >Anna is not complaining about that. She is complaining about
> >> >Aggie-tom talking about lots and lots of kitties.
> >>
> >> What wrong in that. You talk about your children dont you. Aggie-tom
> talks
> >> about his kitties.
> >
> >I didn't think that Aggie-tom meant baby kittens.
>
> Of cause not. He main his personal kitties.
Personal kitties are not the same as children.....
>
> >> >> Only it there werent any natural disasters and then everyone would
> become
> >> >> extinct.
> >> >
> >> >Isn't that true anyway?
> >>
> >> But you would have to rely on technology to reproduce and if that were
> >> destroyed you would be finished.
> >
> >That is true, unless genetic engineering could make a
> >permanent change. But I don't like that idea. No fun!!!
>
> Hermaphrodite ?
I don't like that idea either, but I did read once that
there was a real hermaphrodite in Africa, fully functional.
>
> >> You try lying down in the sun covered in fur. Stand upright and it isnt
> as
> >> hot. The sun only shines ono you head.
> >
> >A third of your body heat is gained or lost through your
> >head. That's the reason for covering it when it's very hot
> >or cold.
>
> And the other two thirds.
There is another reason for covering the rest. Imagination.
>
> >> >> >reason for the change to tool using hominids, though. A big
> >> >> >climatic change that made normal ape food impossible to
> >> >> >find.
> >> >>
> >> >> Only in the areas where hominids developed. Chimps still use rocks to
> >> break
> >> >> open nuts and berries as doe squirrels so that sort of behaviour was
> >> >> already present while they were in the trees.
> >> >>
> >> >> The change in climate force the out of the trees and into eating meat
> so
> >> >> their
> >> >> brains developed faster
> >> >
> >> >That's what I was saying.
> >>
> >> Well then
> >
> >But for both males and females.
>
> But males developed faster being the hunter. More thought and tactics to
> plan than plantain grass.
Need more thinking to care for children that take years to
grow up. That's why females are cleverer than males.
>
> --
> Aggie-tom
>
> Still logged onto BT Internet on 0800 for 5hrs 35mins at 01:36 and haven
> been disconnected yet.
After midnight it changes to the other number, the one you
pay for, automatically. That's what BTinternet says, anyway,
but I've never tried it. Try to log on using the free number
after midnight and you get 'number unobtainable'.
>
> RIK 3 has improved dramatically after midnight.
>
> No more crap elafra and its now Hiotis, Zampetas and Tsitsanis.
>
> I think I'll stay logged on for a bit longer sine its supposed to be free.
You may get a shocking phone bill if you do that weekdays.
Friday, you can stay online until midnight Sunday.
>
> I wonder if I will get any sleep tonight.
Read the small print on BTinternet's home pages and you may
not sleep tonight.
Aggie-Tom
>> >Wait foe ADSL, if it doesn't cost too much. Cable can be
>>
>> What hardware do I need for that.
>
>A network card, probably the telco or ISP will supply it and
>maybe install it. You also need ADSL to be available. BT ran
>a trial in London and say it will be available within the
>M25 area in a few months. Then next year all ISPs will be
>able to use it, with the unbundling of the local loop. But
>it won't work if you are too far from a telephone exchange
>(about 5.5 Km), not the type that BT are using, anyway.
Shouldn’t be a problem. Northampton isn’t that wide.
>> >fast and permanently on, but because it's shared it can get
>> >very slow. I can't even have cable TV, anyway. When they put
>> >the cable in they missed my road. :-( Said they would lay it
>> >later. That was about 2 years ago and they still haven't
>> >done it. ADSL is permanently on and you get fast download
>> >speeds (but not upload).
>>
>> If you cant up-load how do you send E-mail
>
>You can upload, but not at the speeds that you can download.
>Upload is at normal modem speeds.
33Kbps ?
I’ll have to connect up my own server then, or wont the allow that.
>> You cant copy drivers from one floppy to another in DOS if you only have
one
>> floppy drive which is running the command programme.
>
>Memory? Ram drive?
And how would you install that from DOS. Will my BIOS allow a RAM drive.
>> Yep.. I got that. The only thing I could do was re-format, like I think
you
>> have done from you other post. You haven’t been stupid enough to
re-install
>> IE 5 again have you ?
>
>I like IE5. But I had to have the desktop update to be able
>to use it the way I wanted. IE4 is no better than Netscape,
>and I have the power to run IE5. No problems running it.
You don’t have 1000 Fonts Installed. If you did you would have had the same
problems as me as indexing them is a function of HHD speed.
>> >Or the code has got too complicated for it to work unless it
>> >goes Open Source and lets everybody examine the source code
>>
>> That what I want. I’m sick of using software that I can programme better
my
>> self if I had the source code.
>
>One reason for Linux, you have it.
When…. If, I get a new PC.
>> The Shamans still had the carved "Venus" so there must have been some
sort
>> of priestesses around and they were worshipping a Nature goddess.
>
>Men do have one thing that they like women for. Guess what,
>the 'Venus' figures are a symbol of it.
Big Breast ?
I told you I don’t like Big Breasts.
>> >Were there subtitles? I can't remember, but there was
>>
>> Yes, for the bit in that African clicking dialect spoken by the tribesmen
>
>I missed that. Will subtitles show on my video of it this
>week?
This week the put a grey border around the subtitles so they will show up. I
still couldnt read the because they change to fast. Why cant they just dub
it.
>> >Do you know how statistics are worked out? 10% of 20 is the
>> >same 10% if there are millions. If you spent 10% of what you
>> >earned on clothes, it would still be 10% whether you made 5
>> >hundred or 5 thousand a month.
>>
>> By 5% of all drives say 5 out of 100 is not the same 5% of women drives
if
>> women drivers make up only 30%. 5% would then be 5/30 = 17%
>
>So if 5% of the 30% who are women drivers have accidents,
it not 5% of 30% it 5% of 100%
>and 15% of the 70% who are men have accidents, that makes a
>higher percentage of men than women who have them.
15% of 100%
For Women that equals 5/30 or 17%
For Men that equals 15/70 or 21%
Since most of the accidents that men are involved in are caused by women
that accounts for the 4% discrepancy.
>> >> Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in
>> accidents
>> >> out of only Women Drivers
>> >
>> >The figures do exist. So do those for men. That is why
>> >insurance costs less for women.
>>
>> Because there are less of them.
>
>Less women doesn't matter. There are less drivers under 25,
>but they pay a lot more than anyone else. It's less
Because the include Women and its them that case the accidents.
>accidents that matter.
>> Were you driving in the middle of the road and covering the markings
>
>No I was not! I was driving in the right lane in the right
>part of it. Some men don't like being behind me, especially
You’re supposed to drive on the LEFT not the Right.
>when I get away from traffic lights faster than them.
Were you in the correct filter lane at the lights ?
>> But out of women drives only, accidents occur more often.
>
>Rubbish! It's a fact that women have less accidents. It's
Because there are less of them on the road.
>>
>> What were you driving ?
>
>A 3 litre Ford Consul. Leather seats, metal sunroof, V6
>engine...
NO WONDER he tried to overtake you. You were Asking for It.
>> >Why do you reverse everything? He may have chosen to act
>> >like a slave until he managed to get what he wanted, but not
>> >afterwards.
>>
>> So why did he allow himself to be sacrificed to the Triple Goddess
>
>Why did men sacrifice men?
It was Women that told them to.
>> >And Julius and Augustus wanted months named after them, with
>> >the same number of days so we have a short February. But it
>> >is documented that Christmas was not in winter originally,
>> >and the change. It says that the date was changed, not the
>> >season.
>>
>> But how do you work out the months with precession going on.
>
>Winter is colder than summer and the days are shorter. Trees
>don't have leaves, not many flowers, easy.
And the day are shorter because the northern hemisphere points away from the
sun.
If there is precession them the point at which the shortest day occurs will
move with the axis.
>> Of cause not. He’s a man with a far bigger brain.
>
>He's a man so he doesn't always use his brain. It slips from
>his head to somewhere lower quite often.
So why did his brain evolve to be bigger then.
>> >> >that she was so powerful she could make her consort, the
>> >> >sun, do what she wanted. Safer to sacrifice direct to the
>> >> >sun god, which is what happened.
>> >>
>> >> No the sacrifice were to the Triple Goddess that was the sun, not the
sun
>> >> God who drove the sun.
>> >
>> >The sun was not a goddess.
>>
>> Yes it was. The Triple Goddess.
>
>No way!
Way !
>>
>> Oh.. I dont mean including me
>
>There are some real men around. Not many, but some. I've
>never been interested in wimps.
So you like Masculine Men then. Now of those feminists
>>
>> But their feelings are the same.
>
>Cat's live in the present so they can't have feelings that
>are the same. They don't worry about the future, or get
>upset about the past
I mean nervous system feelings. Reaction to touch etc.
>> >> Right only come with obligations. Women are oblige not to stray.
>> >
>> >Only if the man is strong enough to keep her.
>>
>> And isn’t Aggie-tom strong enough for you.
>
>Aggie-tom talks as if he has his mind on lots of
>conquests....
Of cause. But this ridiculous restriction of BT free surf time between 6 and
12 is screwing that all up now.
<Aggie-tom patting Annas hand with his nearest front paw, then grabbing it
with both front paws and bringing towards his mouth and nose>
Yes of cause, much easier to dig into.
>> >> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up again after putting woollen
>> >> >jumper on>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring
as
>> he
>> >> >> starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you want to go for a walk sitting on Anna's shoulder,
>> >> >Aggie-tom?
>> >>
>> >> If you walk steadily and dont make any sudden movements
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom gripping onto Annass shoulder while she stands up>
>> >
>> >Anna used to take cats for walks sitting on her shoulder.
>> >See how careful not to jolt Aggie-tom Anna is?
>>
>> I always wanted to do that, but my cats wouldn’t let me
>>
>> How do you train them
>
>They just liked sitting on my shoulder so I started walking
>around with them sitting there. When I went out where they
>might get frightened by traffic I put collars and leads on
>them, but they did it since they were little kittens.
My friends wife takes her cats out driving with her, and every time the car
drives up the cats come to the car door to get her. The even figured out
which one was the new car after her husband crashed and wrote off the old
one.
>> <Aggie-tom standing dignified on Anna’s shoulder and brushing whiskers
with
>> from paws>
>>
>> >> >Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
>> >> >that....
>> >>
>> >> No he did not.
>> >
>> >It sounded as if he did, with his 'plenty to go around.
>>
>> He dint mean that kind of plenty.
>
>Didn't he? What other kind of plenty is there?
Plenty of his manhood
>> >> >> He is referring to his appendages.
>> >> >
>> >> >Appendages? How many?
>> >>
>> >> All of them.
>> >
>> >All four? that makes a maximum of four kittens, and he
>>
>> There’s more than four. More like 6 and more if you count appendage
attached
>> to appendages separately.
>
>Plus another 20 in that case.
Of cause.
>> >> What wrong in that. You talk about your children dont you. Aggie-tom
>> talks
>> >> about his kitties.
>> >
>> >I didn't think that Aggie-tom meant baby kittens.
>>
>> Of cause not. He main his personal kitties.
>
>Personal kitties are not the same as children.....
Of cause not. Children don’t live in harems.
>> >That is true, unless genetic engineering could make a
>> >permanent change. But I don't like that idea. No fun!!!
>>
>> Hermaphrodite ?
>
>I don't like that idea either, but I did read once that
>there was a real hermaphrodite in Africa, fully functional.
There’s lots of them
>> >But for both males and females.
>>
>> But males developed faster being the hunter. More thought and tactics to
>> plan than plantain grass.
>
>Need more thinking to care for children that take years to
>grow up. That's why females are cleverer than males.
The children were left by the women to hunt with the men as soon as they
could walk.
That why most of the bodies found are those of Children
>> --
>> Aggie-tom
>>
>> Still logged onto BT Internet on 0800 for 5hrs 35mins at 01:36 and haven
>> been disconnected yet.
>
>After midnight it changes to the other number, the one you
>pay for, automatically. That's what BTinternet says, anyway,
>but I've never tried it. Try to log on using the free number
>after midnight and you get 'number unobtainable'.
By I was logged on before Midnight first and dint get disconnected.
>> RIK 3 has improved dramatically after midnight.
>>
>> No more crap elafra and its now Hiotis, Zampetas and Tsitsanis.
>>
>> I think I'll stay logged on for a bit longer sine its supposed to be
free.
>
>You may get a shocking phone bill if you do that weekdays.
>Friday, you can stay online until midnight Sunday.
OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
>> I wonder if I will get any sleep tonight.
>
>Read the small print on BTinternet's home pages and you may
>not sleep tonight.
0800 cannot be charged for. The cant bill you. See the support group.
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> <38C57815...@btinternet.com>...>
>
> >> >Wait foe ADSL, if it doesn't cost too much. Cable can be
> >>
> >> What hardware do I need for that.
> >
> >A network card, probably the telco or ISP will supply it and
> >maybe install it. You also need ADSL to be available. BT ran
> >a trial in London and say it will be available within the
> >M25 area in a few months. Then next year all ISPs will be
> >able to use it, with the unbundling of the local loop. But
> >it won't work if you are too far from a telephone exchange
> >(about 5.5 Km), not the type that BT are using, anyway.
>
> Shouldn t be a problem. Northampton isn t that wide.
Lucky. I don't know if there is an exchange within that
distance of the sprawling urban area (or large number of
villages that run into one another) where I live. I hope
there is.
>
> >> >fast and permanently on, but because it's shared it can get
> >> >very slow. I can't even have cable TV, anyway. When they put
> >> >the cable in they missed my road. :-( Said they would lay it
> >> >later. That was about 2 years ago and they still haven't
> >> >done it. ADSL is permanently on and you get fast download
> >> >speeds (but not upload).
> >>
> >> If you cant up-load how do you send E-mail
> >
> >You can upload, but not at the speeds that you can download.
> >Upload is at normal modem speeds.
>
> 33Kbps ?
Until technology improves, yes. Maybe it won't be that long
before we have free or very cheap calls on mobile phones,
with speeds up to 2 mB/s
>
> I ll have to connect up my own server then, or wont the allow that.
I don't know what the rules will be yet. Hopefully no
different from the present land line POTS connections.
>
> >> You cant copy drivers from one floppy to another in DOS if you only have
> one
> >> floppy drive which is running the command programme.
> >
> >Memory? Ram drive?
>
> And how would you install that from DOS. Will my BIOS allow a RAM drive.
It's been so long since I've used DOS that I've forgotten
most of the commands and switches. But you could using
windows 3, or W95 using the 'olddos' programs. It has
nothing to do with the BIOS, as far as I can remember. I
wish I hadn't given away my old DOS books!
>
> >> Yep.. I got that. The only thing I could do was re-format, like I think
> you
> >> have done from you other post. You haven t been stupid enough to
> re-install
> >> IE 5 again have you ?
> >
> >I like IE5. But I had to have the desktop update to be able
> >to use it the way I wanted. IE4 is no better than Netscape,
> >and I have the power to run IE5. No problems running it.
>
> You don t have 1000 Fonts Installed. If you did you would have had the same
> problems as me as indexing them is a function of HHD speed.
No, I don't have 1000 fonts installed. At one time I had
over 500, but I got rid of a lot of them. They were very
similar and most I would never use. Now I'm down to just
over 300. Too many fonts makes the whole system a lot slower
although W95/98 can handle them better than the old Win3.
>
> >> >Or the code has got too complicated for it to work unless it
> >> >goes Open Source and lets everybody examine the source code
> >>
> >> That what I want. I m sick of using software that I can programme better
> my
> >> self if I had the source code.
> >
> >One reason for Linux, you have it.
>
> When . If, I get a new PC.
When, if you don't insist on the latest in everything. You
can get a PIII 500 for well under £1000 now and they get
cheaper all the time. All I need to do is clear my second
HDD, although I could partition it non-destructively with
Partition Magic. ! GB is enough for a large amount of Linux
programs, plus data, and I already have that free. Get a new
SCSI HD? Much cheaper than a PC and you don't have to worry
about finding new interrupts.
>
> >> The Shamans still had the carved "Venus" so there must have been some
> sort
> >> of priestesses around and they were worshipping a Nature goddess.
> >
> >Men do have one thing that they like women for. Guess what,
> >the 'Venus' figures are a symbol of it.
>
> Big Breast ?
>
> I told you I don t like Big Breasts.
Also big belly and clearly visible exaggerated genitalia. A
little like the female version of male fertility symbols.
Is it because you haven't found a goddess without big
breasts that you don't like matriarchies?
>
> >> >Were there subtitles? I can't remember, but there was
> >>
> >> Yes, for the bit in that African clicking dialect spoken by the tribesmen
> >
> >I missed that. Will subtitles show on my video of it this
> >week?
>
> This week the put a grey border around the subtitles so they will show up. I
> still couldnt read the because they change to fast. Why cant they just dub
> it.
A good modern video will have a good enough freeze frame
facility to read one frame at a time. You put a border on it
with your PC? If you did, couldn't you have changed either
the background colour or the font colour?
>
> >> >Do you know how statistics are worked out? 10% of 20 is the
> >> >same 10% if there are millions. If you spent 10% of what you
> >> >earned on clothes, it would still be 10% whether you made 5
> >> >hundred or 5 thousand a month.
> >>
> >> By 5% of all drives say 5 out of 100 is not the same 5% of women drives
> if
> >> women drivers make up only 30%. 5% would then be 5/30 = 17%
> >
> >So if 5% of the 30% who are women drivers have accidents,
>
> it not 5% of 30% it 5% of 100%
>
> >and 15% of the 70% who are men have accidents, that makes a
> >higher percentage of men than women who have them.
>
> 15% of 100%
>
> For Women that equals 5/30 or 17%
>
> For Men that equals 15/70 or 21%
>
> Since most of the accidents that men are involved in are caused by women
> that accounts for the 4% discrepancy.
You're making excuses again. Why do most men insist that
women are bad drivers, regardless of evidence? Could it be a
desire to prove that men are superior to women? You've just
given the reason for insurance being cheaper for women,
although I don't know the real figures. If you're really
interested, you could probably find them on the net.
>
> >> >> Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in
> >> accidents
> >> >> out of only Women Drivers
> >> >
> >> >The figures do exist. So do those for men. That is why
> >> >insurance costs less for women.
> >>
> >> Because there are less of them.
> >
> >Less women doesn't matter. There are less drivers under 25,
> >but they pay a lot more than anyone else. It's less
>
> Because the include Women and its them that case the accidents.
You're making excuses again. Most accidents are involving
men, caused by men. But I won't generalize. Of course there
are women who are bad drivers as well. My father was chased
round a roundabout by a woman twice. She caught him,
collided with him, and when he put in an insurance claim her
company said it was his fault and the accident had happened
500 miles away. She'd had so many that they'd got them mixed
up.
>
> >accidents that matter.
>
> >> Were you driving in the middle of the road and covering the markings
> >
> >No I was not! I was driving in the right lane in the right
> >part of it. Some men don't like being behind me, especially
>
> You re supposed to drive on the LEFT not the Right.
The CORRECT lane. Right as in correct, not right as in the
side of the road you drive on in the rest of Europe. I do
not drive on the left there.
>
> >when I get away from traffic lights faster than them.
>
> Were you in the correct filter lane at the lights ?
Of course I always am. It's more often men who are in the
wrong lane.
>
> >> But out of women drives only, accidents occur more often.
> >
> >Rubbish! It's a fact that women have less accidents. It's
>
> Because there are less of them on the road.
Statistics. Based on percentages. Nothing to do with the
number of drivers. There are less young drivers on the road,
but they have the most accidents.
>
> >>
> >> What were you driving ?
> >
> >A 3 litre Ford Consul. Leather seats, metal sunroof, V6
> >engine...
>
> NO WONDER he tried to overtake you. You were Asking for It.
Why? Because I was driving a car that was faster than his
and I was a woman. I guess I'll have to get my hair cut very
short.....
>
> >> >Why do you reverse everything? He may have chosen to act
> >> >like a slave until he managed to get what he wanted, but not
> >> >afterwards.
> >>
> >> So why did he allow himself to be sacrificed to the Triple Goddess
> >
> >Why did men sacrifice men?
>
> It was Women that told them to.
And the men did as they were told?
>
> >> >And Julius and Augustus wanted months named after them, with
> >> >the same number of days so we have a short February. But it
> >> >is documented that Christmas was not in winter originally,
> >> >and the change. It says that the date was changed, not the
> >> >season.
> >>
> >> But how do you work out the months with precession going on.
> >
> >Winter is colder than summer and the days are shorter. Trees
> >don't have leaves, not many flowers, easy.
>
> And the day are shorter because the northern hemisphere points away from the
> sun.
>
> If there is precession them the point at which the shortest day occurs will
> move with the axis.
Winter will still be colder than summer.
>
> >> Of cause not. He s a man with a far bigger brain.
> >
> >He's a man so he doesn't always use his brain. It slips from
> >his head to somewhere lower quite often.
>
> So why did his brain evolve to be bigger then.
Greater motor skills, hand-eye co-ordination. That sort of
thing.
>
> >> >> >that she was so powerful she could make her consort, the
> >> >> >sun, do what she wanted. Safer to sacrifice direct to the
> >> >> >sun god, which is what happened.
> >> >>
> >> >> No the sacrifice were to the Triple Goddess that was the sun, not the
> sun
> >> >> God who drove the sun.
> >> >
> >> >The sun was not a goddess.
> >>
> >> Yes it was. The Triple Goddess.
> >
> >No way!
>
> Way !
Impossible!!!
>
> >>
> >> Oh.. I dont mean including me
> >
> >There are some real men around. Not many, but some. I've
> >never been interested in wimps.
>
> So you like Masculine Men then. Now of those feminists
Of course I do. What would I want with a feminine man? That
would be as bad as another woman with a bit extra.
>
> >>
> >> But their feelings are the same.
> >
> >Cat's live in the present so they can't have feelings that
> >are the same. They don't worry about the future, or get
> >upset about the past
>
> I mean nervous system feelings. Reaction to touch etc.
>
> >> >> Right only come with obligations. Women are oblige not to stray.
> >> >
> >> >Only if the man is strong enough to keep her.
> >>
> >> And isn t Aggie-tom strong enough for you.
> >
> >Aggie-tom talks as if he has his mind on lots of
> >conquests....
>
> Of cause. But this ridiculous restriction of BT free surf time between 6 and
> 12 is screwing that all up now.
I did get that impression. I've had time to get used to it,
as it was introduced gradually.
<Anna letting Aggie-tom do that>
Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
>
> >> >> ><Anna picking Aggie-tom up again after putting woollen
> >> >> >jumper on>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom climbing onto Annas shoulder and re-starting his purring
> as
> >> he
> >> >> >> starts kneading his paws into Annas hair>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> purrrrrr purrrrrr.. purrrrrr..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Do you want to go for a walk sitting on Anna's shoulder,
> >> >> >Aggie-tom?
> >> >>
> >> >> If you walk steadily and dont make any sudden movements
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom gripping onto Annass shoulder while she stands up>
> >> >
> >> >Anna used to take cats for walks sitting on her shoulder.
> >> >See how careful not to jolt Aggie-tom Anna is?
> >>
> >> I always wanted to do that, but my cats wouldn t let me
> >>
> >> How do you train them
> >
> >They just liked sitting on my shoulder so I started walking
> >around with them sitting there. When I went out where they
> >might get frightened by traffic I put collars and leads on
> >them, but they did it since they were little kittens.
>
> My friends wife takes her cats out driving with her, and every time the car
> drives up the cats come to the car door to get her. The even figured out
> which one was the new car after her husband crashed and wrote off the old
> one.
I think it's something they learn when they are kittens.
Mine learned to ride on my shoulder then. Cats are clever
and independent.
>
> >> <Aggie-tom standing dignified on Anna s shoulder and brushing whiskers
> with
> >> from paws>
> >>
> >> >> >Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
> >> >> >that....
> >> >>
> >> >> No he did not.
> >> >
> >> >It sounded as if he did, with his 'plenty to go around.
> >>
> >> He dint mean that kind of plenty.
> >
> >Didn't he? What other kind of plenty is there?
>
> Plenty of his manhood
And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
get exhausted?
>
> >> >> >> He is referring to his appendages.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Appendages? How many?
> >> >>
> >> >> All of them.
> >> >
> >> >All four? that makes a maximum of four kittens, and he
> >>
> >> There s more than four. More like 6 and more if you count appendage
> attached
> >> to appendages separately.
> >
> >Plus another 20 in that case.
>
> Of cause.
>
> >> >> What wrong in that. You talk about your children dont you. Aggie-tom
> >> talks
> >> >> about his kitties.
> >> >
> >> >I didn't think that Aggie-tom meant baby kittens.
> >>
> >> Of cause not. He main his personal kitties.
> >
> >Personal kitties are not the same as children.....
>
> Of cause not. Children don t live in harems.
So they are nothing like children.
>
> >> >That is true, unless genetic engineering could make a
> >> >permanent change. But I don't like that idea. No fun!!!
> >>
> >> Hermaphrodite ?
> >
> >I don't like that idea either, but I did read once that
> >there was a real hermaphrodite in Africa, fully functional.
>
> There s lots of them
I'd think most wouldn't want anyone to know.
>
> >> >But for both males and females.
> >>
> >> But males developed faster being the hunter. More thought and tactics to
> >> plan than plantain grass.
> >
> >Need more thinking to care for children that take years to
> >grow up. That's why females are cleverer than males.
>
> The children were left by the women to hunt with the men as soon as they
> could walk.
>
> That why most of the bodies found are those of Children]
Children are much easier prey than adults for wild animals,
and they are likely to have more accidents and more
diseases. That's why there are more fossilized skeletons of
children. The one in the 'Apemen' series died of an infected
tooth.
>
> >> --
> >> Aggie-tom
> >>
> >> Still logged onto BT Internet on 0800 for 5hrs 35mins at 01:36 and haven
> >> been disconnected yet.
> >
> >After midnight it changes to the other number, the one you
> >pay for, automatically. That's what BTinternet says, anyway,
> >but I've never tried it. Try to log on using the free number
> >after midnight and you get 'number unobtainable'.
>
> By I was logged on before Midnight first and dint get disconnected.
BTinternet publishes that the connection is automatically
changed to the one you have to pay for if you're still
online after midnight. If you try to connect to the free one
after midnight, you can't.
>
> >> RIK 3 has improved dramatically after midnight.
> >>
> >> No more crap elafra and its now Hiotis, Zampetas and Tsitsanis.
> >>
> >> I think I'll stay logged on for a bit longer sine its supposed to be
> free.
> >
> >You may get a shocking phone bill if you do that weekdays.
> >Friday, you can stay online until midnight Sunday.
>
> OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
BTinternet says that they transfer you to the pay number if
you are still online after midnight. AOL charges 1p a minute
for an 0800 number...
>
> >> I wonder if I will get any sleep tonight.
> >
> >Read the small print on BTinternet's home pages and you may
> >not sleep tonight.
>
> 0800 cannot be charged for. The cant bill you. See the support group.
No it cannot be charged for. But if you are transferred to
the number that isn't free, that you pay for. Check that, it
may have changed, but I doubt it.
Aggie-Tom
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> >> >fast and permanently on, but because it's shared it can get
>> >> >very slow. I can't even have cable TV, anyway. When they put
>> >> >the cable in they missed my road. :-( Said they would lay it
>> >> >later. That was about 2 years ago and they still haven't
>> >> >done it. ADSL is permanently on and you get fast download
>> >> >speeds (but not upload).
>> >>
>> >> If you cant up-load how do you send E-mail
>> >
>> >You can upload, but not at the speeds that you can download.
>> >Upload is at normal modem speeds.
>>
>> 33Kbps ?
>
>Until technology improves, yes. Maybe it won't be that long
>before we have free or very cheap calls on mobile phones,
>with speeds up to 2 mB/s
ADSL cant work on Mobile Phones. Mobile Phones use destructive compression
>> Ill have to connect up my own server then, or wont the allow that.
>
>I don't know what the rules will be yet. Hopefully no
>different from the present land line POTS connections.
ie. No web or ftp servers
>> >> >Or the code has got too complicated for it to work unless it
>> >> >goes Open Source and lets everybody examine the source code
>> >>
>> >> That what I want. Im sick of using software that I can programme
better
>> my
>> >> self if I had the source code.
>> >
>> >One reason for Linux, you have it.
>>
>> When. If, I get a new PC.
>
>When, if you don't insist on the latest in everything. You
>can get a PIII 500 for well under £1000 now and they get
Why waste my money when my P100 is fast enough.
>cheaper all the time. All I need to do is clear my second
>HDD, although I could partition it non-destructively with
>Partition Magic. ! GB is enough for a large amount of Linux
>programs, plus data, and I already have that free. Get a new
>SCSI HD? Much cheaper than a PC and you don't have to worry
Are you sure
>about finding new interrupts.
More like finding a spare drive bay and power supply, which I do not have.
So it would have to be external and I am not sure if my SCSI adapter will
let me use the external 68pin socket while two 50 pin CD Roms and Re-writes
are connected internally.
It would cost me £500 to find out.
>> >> The Shamans still had the carved "Venus" so there must have been some
>> sort
>> >> of priestesses around and they were worshipping a Nature goddess.
>> >
>> >Men do have one thing that they like women for. Guess what,
>> >the 'Venus' figures are a symbol of it.
>>
>> Big Breast ?
>>
>> I told you I dont like Big Breasts.
>
>Also big belly and clearly visible exaggerated genitalia. A
I know
>little like the female version of male fertility symbols.
Ah yes. All those phallic rocks and pillars erected by Abraham, and Isaac
>Is it because you haven't found a goddess without big
>breasts that you don't like matriarchies?
Could be.
>> This week the put a grey border around the subtitles so they will show
up. I
>> still couldnt read the because they change to fast. Why cant they just
dub
>> it.
>
>A good modern video will have a good enough freeze frame
Not when youve recorded it in LP mode
>facility to read one frame at a time. You put a border on it
>with your PC? If you did, couldn't you have changed either
I dont have a capture card. Its my mate in London has all the Pro gear for
doing that
>the background colour or the font colour?
>You're making excuses again. Why do most men insist that
>women are bad drivers, regardless of evidence? Could it be a
>desire to prove that men are superior to women? You've just
>given the reason for insurance being cheaper for women,
>although I don't know the real figures. If you're really
>interested, you could probably find them on the net.
The figures have been deliberately miscalculated.
If a man crashes into a man it counts as two male accidents
If a woman crashes into a man it only counts as one female accident
Since 90% of accidents involving women are with men the REAL figures for
womens accident rates should be double those given and those for men half.
>> >> >> Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in
>> >> accidents
>> >> >> out of only Women Drivers
>> >> >
>> >> >The figures do exist. So do those for men. That is why
>> >> >insurance costs less for women.
>> >>
>> >> Because there are less of them.
>> >
>> >Less women doesn't matter. There are less drivers under 25,
>> >but they pay a lot more than anyone else. It's less
>>
>> Because the include Women and its them that case the accidents.
>
>You're making excuses again. Most accidents are involving
>men, caused by men. But I won't generalize. Of course there
And most accidents involving women are with men. See above
>> Because there are less of them on the road.
>
>Statistics. Based on percentages. Nothing to do with the
>number of drivers. There are less young drivers on the road,
>but they have the most accidents.
That a different story. Most young drives have accidents racing other young
drivers or crashing into brick walls or lampposts.
>>
>> >>
>> >> What were you driving ?
>> >
>> >A 3 litre Ford Consul. Leather seats, metal sunroof, V6
>> >engine...
>>
>> NO WONDER he tried to overtake you. You were Asking for It.
>
>Why? Because I was driving a car that was faster than his
>and I was a woman. I guess I'll have to get my hair cut very
>short.....
Yes
>> >> >And Julius and Augustus wanted months named after them, with
>> >> >the same number of days so we have a short February. But it
>> >> >is documented that Christmas was not in winter originally,
>> >> >and the change. It says that the date was changed, not the
>> >> >season.
>> >>
>> >> But how do you work out the months with precession going on.
>> >
>> >Winter is colder than summer and the days are shorter. Trees
>> >don't have leaves, not many flowers, easy.
>>
>> And the day are shorter because the northern hemisphere points away from
the
>> sun.
>>
>> If there is precession them the point at which the shortest day occurs
will
>> move with the axis.
>
>Winter will still be colder than summer.
But the point of mid winter with reference to the constellations would be
different. Theyve all move by 15% since the time of Christ.
>> >Aggie-tom talks as if he has his mind on lots of
>> >conquests....
>>
>> Of cause. But this ridiculous restriction of BT free surf time between 6
and
>> 12 is screwing that all up now.
>
>I did get that impression. I've had time to get used to it,
>as it was introduced gradually.
Im not having to tape everything I want to watch. Now Ive just realise
that Ive missed the first 2/3 of "Great Military Blunders".
Seems like it about Craters attempt to rescue the hostages at the Tehran
Embassy, with helicopers and a plane with missies strapped to it to give it
vertical take of for ma football stadium, I am guessing.
<Aggie-tom gently biting and sniffing Annas finger and then letting it go>
<Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully extended>
PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
>> >> <Aggie-tom standing dignified on Annas shoulder and brushing whiskers
>> with
>> >> from paws>
>> >>
>> >> >> >Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
>> >> >> >that....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No he did not.
>> >> >
>> >> >It sounded as if he did, with his 'plenty to go around.
>> >>
>> >> He dint mean that kind of plenty.
>> >
>> >Didn't he? What other kind of plenty is there?
>>
>> Plenty of his manhood
>
>And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
>get exhausted?
>
Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
>>
>> >> >But for both males and females.
>> >>
>> >> But males developed faster being the hunter. More thought and tactics
to
>> >> plan than plantain grass.
>> >
>> >Need more thinking to care for children that take years to
>> >grow up. That's why females are cleverer than males.
>>
>> The children were left by the women to hunt with the men as soon as they
>> could walk.
>>
>> That why most of the bodies found are those of Children]
>
>Children are much easier prey than adults for wild animals,
>and they are likely to have more accidents and more
>diseases. That's why there are more fossilized skeletons of
>children. The one in the 'Apemen' series died of an infected
>tooth.
He dies of blood positioning caused by and infected tooth.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Aggie-tom
>> >>
>> >> Still logged onto BT Internet on 0800 for 5hrs 35mins at 01:36 and
haven
>> >> been disconnected yet.
>> >
>> >After midnight it changes to the other number, the one you
>> >pay for, automatically. That's what BTinternet says, anyway,
>> >but I've never tried it. Try to log on using the free number
>> >after midnight and you get 'number unobtainable'.
>>
>> By I was logged on before Midnight first and dint get disconnected.
>
>BTinternet publishes that the connection is automatically
>changed to the one you have to pay for if you're still
They are NOT allowed to do that. Its illegal. And its not what support are
saying. If you phone an 0800 number they cannot turn it into a 0845 number
and start charging. Oftel wont let them.
>online after midnight. If you try to connect to the free one
>after midnight, you can't.
>
>>
>> OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
Why does this fin spell checker keep deleting my apostrophe ses.
No wonder they are not allowed to used contractions in legal documents.
>BTinternet says that they transfer you to the pay number if
>you are still online after midnight. AOL charges 1p a minute
>for an 0800 number...
AOL bill you separately for that. It has nothing to do with your phone bill.
>> >> I wonder if I will get any sleep tonight.
>> >
>> >Read the small print on BTinternet's home pages and you may
>> >not sleep tonight.
>>
>> 0800 cannot be charged for. The cant bill you. See the support group.
>
>No it cannot be charged for. But if you are transferred to
>the number that isn't free, that you pay for. Check that, it
Then cant do that without giving you a warning. Some people claim they
stayed on for 6 days over Christmas and none were billed.
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> <38C80135...@btinternet.com>...>
> >
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >fast and permanently on, but because it's shared it can get
> >> >> >very slow. I can't even have cable TV, anyway. When they put
> >> >> >the cable in they missed my road. :-( Said they would lay it
> >> >> >later. That was about 2 years ago and they still haven't
> >> >> >done it. ADSL is permanently on and you get fast download
> >> >> >speeds (but not upload).
> >> >>
> >> >> If you cant up-load how do you send E-mail
> >> >
> >> >You can upload, but not at the speeds that you can download.
> >> >Upload is at normal modem speeds.
> >>
> >> 33Kbps ?
> >
> >Until technology improves, yes. Maybe it won't be that long
> >before we have free or very cheap calls on mobile phones,
> >with speeds up to 2 mB/s
>
> ADSL cant work on Mobile Phones. Mobile Phones use destructive compression
Not using ASDL. Using new technology developed for WAP.
>
> >> Ill have to connect up my own server then, or wont the allow that.
> >
> >I don't know what the rules will be yet. Hopefully no
> >different from the present land line POTS connections.
>
> ie. No web or ftp servers
They are banned because you have to pay extra for that. If
you run a web server, at the very least you need your own
domain. Then you need domain hosting, from a company or
division that offers it. You want a fast connection for a
web server, don't you? Put a few popular ones on an ordinary
ISP and it would grind to a halt. The company you want will
know how to provide the bandwidth for a server connection,
unless you want to connect to the internet without using
one. That needs a lot of equipment and a fast connection.
Ask hellas.org for advice?
>
> >> >> >Or the code has got too complicated for it to work unless it
> >> >> >goes Open Source and lets everybody examine the source code
> >> >>
> >> >> That what I want. Im sick of using software that I can programme
> better
> >> my
> >> >> self if I had the source code.
> >> >
> >> >One reason for Linux, you have it.
> >>
> >> When. If, I get a new PC.
> >
> >When, if you don't insist on the latest in everything. You
> >can get a PIII 500 for well under £1000 now and they get
>
> Why waste my money when my P100 is fast enough.
Exactly. And some web servers are run on a 386 using Linux
and the Apache server.
>
> >cheaper all the time. All I need to do is clear my second
> >HDD, although I could partition it non-destructively with
> >Partition Magic. ! GB is enough for a large amount of Linux
> >programs, plus data, and I already have that free. Get a new
> >SCSI HD? Much cheaper than a PC and you don't have to worry
>
> Are you sure
Of course I am. You can run up to seven devices on a SCSI
card, but if you use a SCSI disk, make sure it is the same
type as your card (wide, ultra, etc....)
>
> >about finding new interrupts.
>
> More like finding a spare drive bay and power supply, which I do not have.
Now that is a problem, I have the same one. I had to fit my
second HDD in my only spare external bay, so I'm out of
space. I'd have to use external unless I bought a PC case
just to house drives. Then I'd be tempted to add a
motherboard, a processor, video, sound, memory...I'd end up
with a new PC.
>
> So it would have to be external and I am not sure if my SCSI adapter will
> let me use the external 68pin socket while two 50 pin CD Roms and Re-writes
> are connected internally.
Check the literature, post on the newsgroups, contact the
card manufacturer. Why have an external socket if you can't
use it? You can daisy-chain up to seven devices to all SCSI
cards, as long as you terminate the last one. That's what
the socket is for, you could add another four devices though
it.
>
> It would cost me £500 to find out.
Don't buy a new disk until you've checked. I also have an
idea that you can buy a case for an internal drive to use it
as an external. much cheaper.
>
> >> >> The Shamans still had the carved "Venus" so there must have been some
> >> sort
> >> >> of priestesses around and they were worshipping a Nature goddess.
> >> >
> >> >Men do have one thing that they like women for. Guess what,
> >> >the 'Venus' figures are a symbol of it.
> >>
> >> Big Breast ?
> >>
> >> I told you I dont like Big Breasts.
> >
> >Also big belly and clearly visible exaggerated genitalia. A
>
> I know
>
> >little like the female version of male fertility symbols.
>
> Ah yes. All those phallic rocks and pillars erected by Abraham, and Isaac
What about the ones erected in other countries,
pre-Christian? For example, in the UK there is the Giant in
the chalk of the South Downs (Cerne Giant). That isn't
merely a phallic rock, that is a big picture of a man with a
club plus.
>
> >Is it because you haven't found a goddess without big
> >breasts that you don't like matriarchies?
>
> Could be.
The big breasts are a fertility symbol.
>
> >> This week the put a grey border around the subtitles so they will show
> up. I
> >> still couldnt read the because they change to fast. Why cant they just
> dub
> >> it.
> >
> >A good modern video will have a good enough freeze frame
>
> Not when youve recorded it in LP mode
My old video did it better in LP mode. I haven't tried it
with my new one.
>
> >facility to read one frame at a time. You put a border on it
> >with your PC? If you did, couldn't you have changed either
>
> I dont have a capture card. Its my mate in London has all the Pro gear for
> doing that
Get him to do it for you?
>
> >the background colour or the font colour?
>
> >You're making excuses again. Why do most men insist that
> >women are bad drivers, regardless of evidence? Could it be a
> >desire to prove that men are superior to women? You've just
> >given the reason for insurance being cheaper for women,
> >although I don't know the real figures. If you're really
> >interested, you could probably find them on the net.
>
> The figures have been deliberately miscalculated.
No they haven't.
>
> If a man crashes into a man it counts as two male accidents
>
> If a woman crashes into a man it only counts as one female accident
They count the total number of accidents for each group, not
who crashes into who. If a woman crashes into a woman that's
two female accidents.
>
> Since 90% of accidents involving women are with men the REAL figures for
> womens accident rates should be double those given and those for men half.
Men do do stupid things when they see a woman driver, but if
they crash that's the mans fault. Where do you get your 90%
figure from?
>
> >> >> >> Why dont they publish the percentage of Women Drivers involved in
> >> >> accidents
> >> >> >> out of only Women Drivers
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The figures do exist. So do those for men. That is why
> >> >> >insurance costs less for women.
> >> >>
> >> >> Because there are less of them.
> >> >
> >> >Less women doesn't matter. There are less drivers under 25,
> >> >but they pay a lot more than anyone else. It's less
> >>
> >> Because the include Women and its them that case the accidents.
> >
> >You're making excuses again. Most accidents are involving
> >men, caused by men. But I won't generalize. Of course there
>
> And most accidents involving women are with men. See above
You don't know that.
>
> >> Because there are less of them on the road.
> >
> >Statistics. Based on percentages. Nothing to do with the
> >number of drivers. There are less young drivers on the road,
> >but they have the most accidents.
>
> That a different story. Most young drives have accidents racing other young
> drivers or crashing into brick walls or lampposts.
Or not being able to control the car properly.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> What were you driving ?
> >> >
> >> >A 3 litre Ford Consul. Leather seats, metal sunroof, V6
> >> >engine...
> >>
> >> NO WONDER he tried to overtake you. You were Asking for It.
> >
> >Why? Because I was driving a car that was faster than his
> >and I was a woman. I guess I'll have to get my hair cut very
> >short.....
>
> Yes
I hate male prejudice against women. Why shouldn't a woman
drive a powerful car?
>
> >> >> >And Julius and Augustus wanted months named after them, with
> >> >> >the same number of days so we have a short February. But it
> >> >> >is documented that Christmas was not in winter originally,
> >> >> >and the change. It says that the date was changed, not the
> >> >> >season.
> >> >>
> >> >> But how do you work out the months with precession going on.
> >> >
> >> >Winter is colder than summer and the days are shorter. Trees
> >> >don't have leaves, not many flowers, easy.
> >>
> >> And the day are shorter because the northern hemisphere points away from
> the
> >> sun.
> >>
> >> If there is precession them the point at which the shortest day occurs
> will
> >> move with the axis.
> >
> >Winter will still be colder than summer.
>
> But the point of mid winter with reference to the constellations would be
> different. Theyve all move by 15% since the time of Christ.
Winter is still winter and summer still summer. You don't
need the stars to tell you what the weather is.
>
> >> >Aggie-tom talks as if he has his mind on lots of
> >> >conquests....
> >>
> >> Of cause. But this ridiculous restriction of BT free surf time between 6
> and
> >> 12 is screwing that all up now.
> >
> >I did get that impression. I've had time to get used to it,
> >as it was introduced gradually.
>
> Im not having to tape everything I want to watch. Now Ive just realise
> that Ive missed the first 2/3 of "Great Military Blunders".
I only got the last 20 minutes. Same reason.
>
> Seems like it about Craters attempt to rescue the hostages at the Tehran
> Embassy, with helicopers and a plane with missies strapped to it to give it
> vertical take of for ma football stadium, I am guessing.
Maybe. I haven't seen any of it yet, not had time to watch
the tape of the last one (or the last 20 minutes of it).
Nice Aggie-tom. Good tom-cat.
<Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
kneads her jumper>
>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom standing dignified on Annas shoulder and brushing whiskers
> >> with
> >> >> from paws>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Of course Aggie-tom is not fat. He just made it sound like
> >> >> >> >that....
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No he did not.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It sounded as if he did, with his 'plenty to go around.
> >> >>
> >> >> He dint mean that kind of plenty.
> >> >
> >> >Didn't he? What other kind of plenty is there?
> >>
> >> Plenty of his manhood
> >
> >And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
> >get exhausted?
> >
>
> Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
Isn't that a little lazy? Shouldn't on-tom be followed by
tom-on? Just to be fair.
>
> >>
> >> >> >But for both males and females.
> >> >>
> >> >> But males developed faster being the hunter. More thought and tactics
> to
> >> >> plan than plantain grass.
> >> >
> >> >Need more thinking to care for children that take years to
> >> >grow up. That's why females are cleverer than males.
> >>
> >> The children were left by the women to hunt with the men as soon as they
> >> could walk.
> >>
> >> That why most of the bodies found are those of Children]
> >
> >Children are much easier prey than adults for wild animals,
> >and they are likely to have more accidents and more
> >diseases. That's why there are more fossilized skeletons of
> >children. The one in the 'Apemen' series died of an infected
> >tooth.
>
> He dies of blood positioning caused by and infected tooth.
By the fragments of a milk tooth, to be exact.
>
> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Aggie-tom
> >> >>
> >> >> Still logged onto BT Internet on 0800 for 5hrs 35mins at 01:36 and
> haven
> >> >> been disconnected yet.
> >> >
> >> >After midnight it changes to the other number, the one you
> >> >pay for, automatically. That's what BTinternet says, anyway,
> >> >but I've never tried it. Try to log on using the free number
> >> >after midnight and you get 'number unobtainable'.
> >>
> >> By I was logged on before Midnight first and dint get disconnected.
> >
> >BTinternet publishes that the connection is automatically
> >changed to the one you have to pay for if you're still
>
> They are NOT allowed to do that. Its illegal. And its not what support are
> saying. If you phone an 0800 number they cannot turn it into a 0845 number
> and start charging. Oftel wont let them.
I must check that again. That was in the conditions on their
web site when they started the weekend-only 0800 number. I
haven't looked recently, but I know the rules changed for BT
in January.
>
> >online after midnight. If you try to connect to the free one
> >after midnight, you can't.
> >
> >>
> >> OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
>
> Why does this fin spell checker keep deleting my apostrophe ses.
I don't know, but maybe because they are in the wrong place
or shouldn't be there. Are you using a spell checker?
>
> No wonder they are not allowed to used contractions in legal documents.
It's not grammatically correct English to use contractions.
Same as I get into trouble for dropping vowels when I have
one at the beginning of a word that follows one in Greek.
Such as "k'egw".
>
> >BTinternet says that they transfer you to the pay number if
> >you are still online after midnight. AOL charges 1p a minute
> >for an 0800 number...
>
> AOL bill you separately for that. It has nothing to do with your phone bill.
And if you connect through another ISP to AOL with that
plan, you pay for the call and the 1p to AOL. Pay twice. A
lot of people got caught by that one.
>
> >> >> I wonder if I will get any sleep tonight.
> >> >
> >> >Read the small print on BTinternet's home pages and you may
> >> >not sleep tonight.
> >>
> >> 0800 cannot be charged for. The cant bill you. See the support group.
> >
> >No it cannot be charged for. But if you are transferred to
> >the number that isn't free, that you pay for. Check that, it
>
> Then cant do that without giving you a warning. Some people claim they
> stayed on for 6 days over Christmas and none were billed.
I wish I'd have known. But Christmas was free anyway.
Aggie-Tom
>
>>
>> >cheaper all the time. All I need to do is clear my second
>> >HDD, although I could partition it non-destructively with
>> >Partition Magic. ! GB is enough for a large amount of Linux
>> >programs, plus data, and I already have that free. Get a new
>> >SCSI HD? Much cheaper than a PC and you don't have to worry
>>
>> Are you sure
>
>Of course I am. You can run up to seven devices on a SCSI
15 actually on mine. But I’m not sure about mixing 50 and 68 pin devices.
>card, but if you use a SCSI disk, make sure it is the same
>type as your card (wide, ultra, etc....)
>
>>
>> >about finding new interrupts.
>>
>> More like finding a spare drive bay and power supply, which I do not
have.
>
>Now that is a problem, I have the same one. I had to fit my
>second HDD in my only spare external bay, so I'm out of
>space. I'd have to use external unless I bought a PC case
>just to house drives. Then I'd be tempted to add a
>motherboard, a processor, video, sound, memory...I'd end up
>with a new PC.
Same here.
>> Ah yes. All those phallic rocks and pillars erected by Abraham, and Isaac
>
>What about the ones erected in other countries,
>pre-Christian? For example, in the UK there is the Giant in
>the chalk of the South Downs (Cerne Giant). That isn't
>merely a phallic rock, that is a big picture of a man with a
>club plus.
So it proves Abraham was as Pagan as the Celts
>> >Is it because you haven't found a goddess without big
>> >breasts that you don't like matriarchies?
>>
>> Could be.
>
>The big breasts are a fertility symbol.
I couldn’t have guessed
>>
>> >facility to read one frame at a time. You put a border on it
>> >with your PC? If you did, couldn't you have changed either
>>
>> I dont have a capture card. Its my mate in London has all the Pro gear
for
>> doing that
>
>Get him to do it for you?
Why waste a journey to read subtitles.
>> If a man crashes into a man it counts as two male accidents
>>
>> If a woman crashes into a man it only counts as one female accident
>
>They count the total number of accidents for each group, not
>who crashes into who. If a woman crashes into a woman that's
>two female accidents.
But women mostly crash into men
>>
>> Since 90% of accidents involving women are with men the REAL figures for
>> womens accident rates should be double those given and those for men
half.
>
>Men do do stupid things when they see a woman driver, but if
>they crash that's the mans fault. Where do you get your 90%
>figure from?
Have you ever see a woman crash into another women. 70% of driver are men so
the must crash into men.
.
>> >> >> What were you driving ?
>> >> >
>> >> >A 3 litre Ford Consul. Leather seats, metal sunroof, V6
>> >> >engine...
>> >>
>> >> NO WONDER he tried to overtake you. You were Asking for It.
>> >
>> >Why? Because I was driving a car that was faster than his
>> >and I was a woman. I guess I'll have to get my hair cut very
>> >short.....
>>
>> Yes
>
>I hate male prejudice against women. Why shouldn't a woman
>drive a powerful car?
It doesn’t suit her. We don’t want her getting hurt.
>> >Winter will still be colder than summer.
>>
>> But the point of mid winter with reference to the constellations would be
>> different. Theyve all move by 15% since the time of Christ.
Should read 15 degrees.
>Winter is still winter and summer still summer. You don't
>need the stars to tell you what the weather is.
But you do, to tell you what the absolute time of year is
>> >
>> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
>> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
>>
>> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully extended>
>>
>> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
>
><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
>kneads her jumper>
Purrrrr………. Purrrrrrr………..
<Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna’s Jumper>
>> >And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
>> >get exhausted?
>> >
>>
>> Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
>
>Isn't that a little lazy? Shouldn't on-tom be followed by
>tom-on? Just to be fair.
Aggie-tom is saving energy so he can satisfy all of his kitties at once.
>> >>
>> >> OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
>>
>> Why does this fin spell checker keep deleting my apostrophe ses.
>
>I don't know, but maybe because they are in the wrong place
>or shouldn't be there. Are you using a spell checker?
>
No. I definably put in apostrophes in the above sentence and now they have
disposed from this post.
Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
Lest Checvh.
List of apostrophe s’es
‘s ‘s ‘s
Now s apostroph s’es
s’s s’s s’s s’s
are the apostrophes still there.
Aggie-Tom
Aggie-Tom wrote in message <8a9bg6$s1l$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com>...><38C827B9...@btinternet.com>...>
>Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
>
>Lest Checvh.
Now its misspelling my words
>
>List of apostrophe ses
>
>s s s
>
>Now s apostroph ses
>
>ss ss ss ss
>
>are the apostrophes still there.
See theyre all missing
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Aggie-Tom wrote in message <8a9bg6$s1l$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com>...
> >Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> ><38C827B9...@btinternet.com>...>
>
> >Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
> >
> >Lest Checvh.
>
> Now its misspelling my words
Was it 'last chance' you meant to write?
>
> >
> >List of apostrophe ses
> >
> >s s s
> >
> >Now s apostroph ses
> >
> >ss ss ss ss
> >
> >are the apostrophes still there.
>
> See theyre all missing
They aren't missing on the other post. I'll answer that when
I get home from work.
--
Anna
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> <38C827B9...@btinternet.com>...>
> >
>
> >>
> >> >cheaper all the time. All I need to do is clear my second
> >> >HDD, although I could partition it non-destructively with
> >> >Partition Magic. ! GB is enough for a large amount of Linux
> >> >programs, plus data, and I already have that free. Get a new
> >> >SCSI HD? Much cheaper than a PC and you don't have to worry
> >>
> >> Are you sure
> >
> >Of course I am. You can run up to seven devices on a SCSI
>
> 15 actually on mine. But I m not sure about mixing 50 and 68 pin devices.
Could it be 27? I don't see why you shouldn't be able to mix
them. Does the 68 pin socket carry power?
>
> >card, but if you use a SCSI disk, make sure it is the same
> >type as your card (wide, ultra, etc....)
> >
> >>
> >> >about finding new interrupts.
> >>
> >> More like finding a spare drive bay and power supply, which I do not
> have.
> >
> >Now that is a problem, I have the same one. I had to fit my
> >second HDD in my only spare external bay, so I'm out of
> >space. I'd have to use external unless I bought a PC case
> >just to house drives. Then I'd be tempted to add a
> >motherboard, a processor, video, sound, memory...I'd end up
> >with a new PC.
>
> Same here.
A new computer between us wouldn't work. It would be
cheaper, except that I'm further away than London...
>
> >> Ah yes. All those phallic rocks and pillars erected by Abraham, and Isaac
> >
> >What about the ones erected in other countries,
> >pre-Christian? For example, in the UK there is the Giant in
> >the chalk of the South Downs (Cerne Giant). That isn't
> >merely a phallic rock, that is a big picture of a man with a
> >club plus.
>
> So it proves Abraham was as Pagan as the Celts
Phallic objects do prove that.
>
> >> >Is it because you haven't found a goddess without big
> >> >breasts that you don't like matriarchies?
> >>
> >> Could be.
> >
> >The big breasts are a fertility symbol.
>
> I couldn t have guessed
Big breasts = plenty?
>
> >>
> >> >facility to read one frame at a time. You put a border on it
> >> >with your PC? If you did, couldn't you have changed either
> >>
> >> I dont have a capture card. Its my mate in London has all the Pro gear
> for
> >> doing that
> >
> >Get him to do it for you?
>
> Why waste a journey to read subtitles.
Are they on the BBC web site? Otherwise I wouldn't think it
worth bothering about them.
>
> >> If a man crashes into a man it counts as two male accidents
> >>
> >> If a woman crashes into a man it only counts as one female accident
> >
> >They count the total number of accidents for each group, not
> >who crashes into who. If a woman crashes into a woman that's
> >two female accidents.
>
> But women mostly crash into men
No they don't and there are about the same number of women
on the roads as men now.
>
> >>
> >> Since 90% of accidents involving women are with men the REAL figures for
> >> womens accident rates should be double those given and those for men
> half.
> >
> >Men do do stupid things when they see a woman driver, but if
> >they crash that's the mans fault. Where do you get your 90%
> >figure from?
>
> Have you ever see a woman crash into another women. 70% of driver are men so
> the must crash into men.
Answer to your first question, yes. As for the second, there
are at least 40% of women drivers here now, probably more.
So that point doesn't work.
> .
>
> >> >> >> What were you driving ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >A 3 litre Ford Consul. Leather seats, metal sunroof, V6
> >> >> >engine...
> >> >>
> >> >> NO WONDER he tried to overtake you. You were Asking for It.
> >> >
> >> >Why? Because I was driving a car that was faster than his
> >> >and I was a woman. I guess I'll have to get my hair cut very
> >> >short.....
> >>
> >> Yes
> >
> >I hate male prejudice against women. Why shouldn't a woman
> >drive a powerful car?
>
> It doesn t suit her. We don t want her getting hurt.
As I am a better driver than almost all men and I like
powerful cars, I would be less likely to get hurt in one
than in the horrible little car I drive now. A powerful one
can get me out of trouble, this little thing won't do more
than 80 flat out.
>
> >> >Winter will still be colder than summer.
> >>
> >> But the point of mid winter with reference to the constellations would be
> >> different. Theyve all move by 15% since the time of Christ.
>
> Should read 15 degrees.
What connection with matriarchies, or Christmas? The sun was
more important than the constellations to the earliest
civilizations, and before them.
>
> >Winter is still winter and summer still summer. You don't
> >need the stars to tell you what the weather is.
>
> But you do, to tell you what the absolute time of year is
Back then they couldn't tell the absolute time. Didn't have
atomic clocks.
>
> >> >
> >> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
> >> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully extended>
> >>
> >> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
> >
> ><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
> >kneads her jumper>
>
> Purrrrr . Purrrrrrr ..
>
> <Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna s Jumper>
Don't suck too hard, Aggie-tom, or you'll get a wool ball.
Gently does it.
>
> >> >And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
> >> >get exhausted?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
> >
> >Isn't that a little lazy? Shouldn't on-tom be followed by
> >tom-on? Just to be fair.
>
> Aggie-tom is saving energy so he can satisfy all of his kitties at once.
That's the trouble with being greedy. Aggie-tom
over-indulges and exhausts himself, can't keep everyone
happy because Aggie-tom would turn into a shadow of his
former self if he tried.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
> >>
> >> Why does this fin spell checker keep deleting my apostrophe ses.
> >
> >I don't know, but maybe because they are in the wrong place
> >or shouldn't be there. Are you using a spell checker?
> >
>
> No. I definably put in apostrophes in the above sentence and now they have
> disposed from this post.
>
> Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
>
> Lest Checvh.
>
> List of apostrophe s es
>
> s s s
All there.
>
> Now s apostroph s es
>
> s s s s s s s s
>
> are the apostrophes still there.
All of them. Did you use Word?
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <38C95C09...@btinternet.com>...
>
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
>> <38C827B9...@btinternet.com>...>
>> >
>>
>> >>
>> >> >cheaper all the time. All I need to do is clear my second
>> >> >HDD, although I could partition it non-destructively with
>> >> >Partition Magic. ! GB is enough for a large amount of Linux
>> >> >programs, plus data, and I already have that free. Get a new
>> >> >SCSI HD? Much cheaper than a PC and you don't have to worry
>> >>
>> >> Are you sure
>> >
>> >Of course I am. You can run up to seven devices on a SCSI
>>
>> 15 actually on mine. But I’m not sure about mixing 50 and 68 pin devices.
>
>Could it be 27? I don't see why you shouldn't be able to mix
>them. Does the 68 pin socket carry power?
The manual for my card is the biggest pile of Crap I have ever read. The
diagrams are not labelled and the references to the termination
configuration are incomplete and illogical. This is why I am worried.
>> >card, but if you use a SCSI disk, make sure it is the same
>> >type as your card (wide, ultra, etc....)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >about finding new interrupts.
>> >>
>> >> More like finding a spare drive bay and power supply, which I do not
>> have.
>> >
>> >Now that is a problem, I have the same one. I had to fit my
>> >second HDD in my only spare external bay, so I'm out of
>> >space. I'd have to use external unless I bought a PC case
>> >just to house drives. Then I'd be tempted to add a
>> >motherboard, a processor, video, sound, memory...I'd end up
>> >with a new PC.
>>
>> Same here.
>
>A new computer between us wouldn't work. It would be
>cheaper, except that I'm further away than London...
Could Network it to mine and give me 50% of the run time allocation.
>> >> Ah yes. All those phallic rocks and pillars erected by Abraham, and
Isaac
>> >
>> >What about the ones erected in other countries,
>> >pre-Christian? For example, in the UK there is the Giant in
>> >the chalk of the South Downs (Cerne Giant). That isn't
>> >merely a phallic rock, that is a big picture of a man with a
>> >club plus.
>>
>> So it proves Abraham was as Pagan as the Celts
>
>Phallic objects do prove that.
Of cause. As I proved in my "Pagans of the Jehovah" essay last year in this
group.
>>
>> >> >Is it because you haven't found a goddess without big
>> >> >breasts that you don't like matriarchies?
>> >>
>> >> Could be.
>> >
>> >The big breasts are a fertility symbol.
>>
>> I couldn’t have guessed
>
>Big breasts = plenty?
Plenty O'Tool ? (Diamond Are Forever)
>> >>
>> >> >facility to read one frame at a time. You put a border on it
>> >> >with your PC? If you did, couldn't you have changed either
>> >>
>> >> I dont have a capture card. Its my mate in London has all the Pro gear
>> for
>> >> doing that
>> >
>> >Get him to do it for you?
>>
>> Why waste a journey to read subtitles.
>
>Are they on the BBC web site? Otherwise I wouldn't think it
Not that I know off.
>worth bothering about them.
>> >> If a man crashes into a man it counts as two male accidents
>> >>
>> >> If a woman crashes into a man it only counts as one female accident
>> >
>> >They count the total number of accidents for each group, not
>> >who crashes into who. If a woman crashes into a woman that's
>> >two female accidents.
>>
>> But women mostly crash into men
>
>No they don't and there are about the same number of women
>on the roads as men now.
Where ? Are they all invisible. No wonder the keep causing crashes.
>> >>
>> >> Since 90% of accidents involving women are with men the REAL figures
for
>> >> womens accident rates should be double those given and those for men
>> half.
>> >
>> >Men do do stupid things when they see a woman driver, but if
>> >they crash that's the mans fault. Where do you get your 90%
>> >figure from?
>>
>> Have you ever see a woman crash into another women. 70% of driver are men
so
>> the must crash into men.
>
>Answer to your first question, yes. As for the second, there
>are at least 40% of women drivers here now, probably more.
>So that point doesn't work.
I haven't seen them.
>> >> Yes
>> >
>> >I hate male prejudice against women. Why shouldn't a woman
>> >drive a powerful car?
>>
>> It doesn’t suit her. We don’t want her getting hurt.
>
>As I am a better driver than almost all men and I like
>powerful cars, I would be less likely to get hurt in one
And more likely to hurt someone else.
>than in the horrible little car I drive now. A powerful one
>can get me out of trouble, this little thing won't do more
>than 80 flat out.
What little thing. Does it have 5th gear ?
>> >> >Winter will still be colder than summer.
>> >>
>> >> But the point of mid winter with reference to the constellations would
be
>> >> different. Theyve all move by 15% since the time of Christ.
>>
>> Should read 15 degrees.
In fact it's 30. I was thinking of line of Longitude.
>What connection with matriarchies, or Christmas? The sun was
>more important than the constellations to the earliest
>civilizations, and before them.
What I am trying to get at is the the Earth axis is tilted at about 23
degrees and because of this the axis rotates I think clock-wise using the
right hand rule, about a normal drawn through the center of the earth and
the plain of the earth orbit, taking about 28,000 years to complete one
revolution. Thus every 2000 years the Earth's polar axis points 30 degrees
westward (?) about the axis of precession and the constellations move.
Now for the sake argument lets assume that the earths orbit is elliptical
and therfore point exists a point where the earth is closest to the sun,
perihelion, and a point where it is furthest away, aphelion.
To further the argument lets assume that Mid Winters Day occurs at the point
at which the earths polar axis is pointing away from the sun (right handed
rotation rule makes the axis point north) ie when the N Hemisphere absorbs
least sun, and that 2000 years ago this occured exactly at aphelion.
Are you with me so far.
2000 years from the Birth of Christ the earth's polar axis has precessed 30
degrees about the axis of precession and that the constellations visible at
midnight on Mid Winters Day, as shown by drawing a straight line from the
sun to the earth an the shortest day, will be rotated by 30 degrees and
appear 2 hours earlier.
Now in ths period of 2000 year inorder to reach mid winters day the earth
would have rotated not 2000 revolutions, but 2000 and 1/12 of a revolution,
ie Mid Winters Day would occur today 30 degrees westwards (assuming right
handed rotation of the earth in its orbit) ie 1 full month later than it did
at the time of Christ.
Also unless Aphelion is also precessing at the same rate as the earth's
polar axis, Aphelion would occur one month earlier than MWD.
Now the question that I originally posed to you Anna is why was Christmas
moved by the Christians to Mid Winters Day.
Surlty a YEAR means a complete rotation of the earth around its orbit would
always occur at Aphelion, assuming there is no precession of Aphelion, and
thus if 2000 years ago Aphelion in on 22 Dec, then today it should also be
on 22 December and the earth should still be pointing to the same stars at
midnight.
This all lead me to calculate that 2000 years ago in the year 1 Mid Winters
had was acctually on 22 November, (since today it is on 22 December) and
therefore the pagan MWD festival would have been in NOVEMBER.
In the year 500 when Christmas was Moved, MWD would have occurred on the
FIRST OF DECEMBER.
So your claim that Christmas was moved to coincide with MWD makes no sec
since in the year 500 MWD was NOT on December the 25th.
In any case in Roman times the new year began on 1st of March and if we
assume that conception starts from the day a woman has her Period and
creates a new egg (between 9-13 days later I think.), A child would be born
not 9 but 10 months after a womans last period.
Thus the REAL reason that Christmas was moved from MARCH (not the summer as
you claim), to 25 December was to facilitate a change from its connection
with the time of Conception, to the time of Birth, and avoid coincidence
with the Roman festival of Maralia.
Thus the TRUE Christian calendar should have began 10 days ago on 1 March.
and that was the REAL New Millenniums Day.
>> >Winter is still winter and summer still summer. You don't
>> >need the stars to tell you what the weather is.
>>
>> But you do, to tell you what the absolute time of year is
>
>Back then they couldn't tell the absolute time. Didn't have
>atomic clocks.
The had the stars and star maps.
How do you think Atomic Clocks are calibrated and synchronised.
>> >> >
>> >> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
>> >> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully extended>
>> >>
>> >> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
>> >
>> ><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
>> >kneads her jumper>
>>
>> Purrrrr………. Purrrrrrr………..
>>
>> <Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna’s Jumper>
>
>Don't suck too hard, Aggie-tom, or you'll get a wool ball.
>Gently does it.
<Aggie-tom jumping from Anna's jumper and going over to the fridge,
attempting to open the door with his nose, to get a drink of milk>
Meeeoowwww...... meeeeoowwww.......
>>
>> >> >And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
>> >> >get exhausted?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
>> >
>> >Isn't that a little lazy? Shouldn't on-tom be followed by
>> >tom-on? Just to be fair.
>>
>> Aggie-tom is saving energy so he can satisfy all of his kitties at once.
>
>That's the trouble with being greedy. Aggie-tom
>over-indulges and exhausts himself, can't keep everyone
>happy because Aggie-tom would turn into a shadow of his
>former self if he tried.
Aggie-tom can only keep everyone happy by conserving his energy.
>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
>> >>
>> >> Why does this fin spell checker keep deleting my apostrophe ses.
>> >
>> >I don't know, but maybe because they are in the wrong place
>> >or shouldn't be there. Are you using a spell checker?
>> >
>>
>> No. I definably put in apostrophes in the above sentence and now they
have
>> disposed from this post.
>>
>> Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
>>
>> Lest Checvh.
>>
>> List of apostrophe s’es
>>
>> ‘s ‘s ‘s
>
>All there.
>
Why are they mission the original copy of my reply in OE 4 then ?
What is going on.
How come you can see them and I cant.
>> Now s apostroph s’es
>>
>> s’s s’s s’s s’s
>>
>> are the apostrophes still there.
>
>All of them. Did you use Word?
Yes.
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <38C88DC0...@btinternet.com>...
>>
>> >Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
>> >
>> >Lest Checvh.
>>
>
Lets Check
>
>>
>> >
>> >List of apostrophe ses
>> >
>> >s s s
>> >
>> >Now s apostroph ses
>> >
>> >ss ss ss ss
>> >
>> >are the apostrophes still there.
>>
>> See theyre all missing
>
>They aren't missing on the other post. I'll answer that when
>I get home from work.
Odd ?
>--
>Anna
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile wrote in message <38C95C09...@btinternet.com>...
> >
> >
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> >> <38C827B9...@btinternet.com>...>
> >> >
> >>
I'd just finished answering this when my computer crashed
and I lost it all, so here goes again,...
> >> >>
> >> >> >cheaper all the time. All I need to do is clear my second
> >> >> >HDD, although I could partition it non-destructively with
> >> >> >Partition Magic. ! GB is enough for a large amount of Linux
> >> >> >programs, plus data, and I already have that free. Get a new
> >> >> >SCSI HD? Much cheaper than a PC and you don't have to worry
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you sure
> >> >
> >> >Of course I am. You can run up to seven devices on a SCSI
> >>
> >> 15 actually on mine. But I m not sure about mixing 50 and 68 pin devices.
> >
> >Could it be 27? I don't see why you shouldn't be able to mix
> >them. Does the 68 pin socket carry power?
>
> The manual for my card is the biggest pile of Crap I have ever read. The
> diagrams are not labelled and the references to the termination
> configuration are incomplete and illogical. This is why I am worried.
You're lucky, you have a manual. The only one with anything
I need to read in it is my motherboard one. Is there a web
site for the manufacturer or can you find anything in a
newsgroup about it? If not, you could try posting something
in the comp.peripherals newsgroup.
>
> >> >card, but if you use a SCSI disk, make sure it is the same
> >> >type as your card (wide, ultra, etc....)
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >about finding new interrupts.
> >> >>
> >> >> More like finding a spare drive bay and power supply, which I do not
> >> have.
> >> >
> >> >Now that is a problem, I have the same one. I had to fit my
> >> >second HDD in my only spare external bay, so I'm out of
> >> >space. I'd have to use external unless I bought a PC case
> >> >just to house drives. Then I'd be tempted to add a
> >> >motherboard, a processor, video, sound, memory...I'd end up
> >> >with a new PC.
> >>
> >> Same here.
> >
> >A new computer between us wouldn't work. It would be
> >cheaper, except that I'm further away than London...
>
> Could Network it to mine and give me 50% of the run time allocation.
That would work, especially if there was a really fast
connection. In fact it's a good idea. But unless you used a
VPN you'd need a firewall. I get enough would-be hackers and
I'm using a dial-up connection to my ISP. I never knew that
until I installed a firewall/intrusion detector.
>
> >> >> Ah yes. All those phallic rocks and pillars erected by Abraham, and
> Isaac
> >> >
> >> >What about the ones erected in other countries,
> >> >pre-Christian? For example, in the UK there is the Giant in
> >> >the chalk of the South Downs (Cerne Giant). That isn't
> >> >merely a phallic rock, that is a big picture of a man with a
> >> >club plus.
> >>
> >> So it proves Abraham was as Pagan as the Celts
> >
> >Phallic objects do prove that.
>
> Of cause. As I proved in my "Pagans of the Jehovah" essay last year in this
> group.
I didn't read that one, but surely all religions started
pagan?
>
> >>
> >> >> >Is it because you haven't found a goddess without big
> >> >> >breasts that you don't like matriarchies?
> >> >>
> >> >> Could be.
> >> >
> >> >The big breasts are a fertility symbol.
> >>
> >> I couldn t have guessed
> >
> >Big breasts = plenty?
>
> Plenty O'Tool ? (Diamond Are Forever)#
I was thinking more about Horns of Plenty. Breasts =
suckling = baby feeding = a desire to return to the carefree
life of a baby. They do say that a boy baby spends the rest
of his life trying to return to the womb.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> >facility to read one frame at a time. You put a border on it
> >> >> >with your PC? If you did, couldn't you have changed either
> >> >>
> >> >> I dont have a capture card. Its my mate in London has all the Pro gear
> >> for
> >> >> doing that
> >> >
> >> >Get him to do it for you?
> >>
> >> Why waste a journey to read subtitles.
> >
> >Are they on the BBC web site? Otherwise I wouldn't think it
>
> Not that I know off.
>
> >worth bothering about them.
>
> >> >> If a man crashes into a man it counts as two male accidents
> >> >>
> >> >> If a woman crashes into a man it only counts as one female accident
> >> >
> >> >They count the total number of accidents for each group, not
> >> >who crashes into who. If a woman crashes into a woman that's
> >> >two female accidents.
> >>
> >> But women mostly crash into men
> >
> >No they don't and there are about the same number of women
> >on the roads as men now.
>
> Where ? Are they all invisible. No wonder the keep causing crashes.
I blame men for bad driving so every time I see an accident
or near accident I assume a man is driving. So for me the
women who do the same are invisible. You're prejudiced
against women drivers, I'm prejudiced against male ones. We
both see what confirms our prejudices. If women drivers are
invisible to men it's no wonder men keep crashing into them.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> Since 90% of accidents involving women are with men the REAL figures
> for
> >> >> womens accident rates should be double those given and those for men
> >> half.
> >> >
> >> >Men do do stupid things when they see a woman driver, but if
> >> >they crash that's the mans fault. Where do you get your 90%
> >> >figure from?
> >>
> >> Have you ever see a woman crash into another women. 70% of driver are men
> so
> >> the must crash into men.
> >
> >Answer to your first question, yes. As for the second, there
> >are at least 40% of women drivers here now, probably more.
> >So that point doesn't work.
>
> I haven't seen them.
I have. There seem to be more women than men on the road
now. Or is that the same selective blindness as mentioned
earlier?
>
> >> >> Yes
> >> >
> >> >I hate male prejudice against women. Why shouldn't a woman
> >> >drive a powerful car?
> >>
> >> It doesn t suit her. We don t want her getting hurt.
> >
> >As I am a better driver than almost all men and I like
> >powerful cars, I would be less likely to get hurt in one
>
> And more likely to hurt someone else.
No I wouldn't be. I can control a big, powerful car and I
drive in a way suitable for conditions. I do not drive at 80
miles an hour in fog with low visibility, for example. But I
can accelerate out of trouble if I have a car with enough
power.
>
> >than in the horrible little car I drive now. A powerful one
> >can get me out of trouble, this little thing won't do more
> >than 80 flat out.
>
> What little thing. Does it have 5th gear ?
Its a Renault 5 and it does have a fifth gear. It is also 8
cc over the maximum engine size for cut price road tax. Why
can't the government ignore that tiny 8 cc and go by the
official rounded off figure for engine size?
>
> >> >> >Winter will still be colder than summer.
> >> >>
> >> >> But the point of mid winter with reference to the constellations would
> be
> >> >> different. Theyve all move by 15% since the time of Christ.
> >>
> >> Should read 15 degrees.
>
> In fact it's 30. I was thinking of line of Longitude.
>
> >What connection with matriarchies, or Christmas? The sun was
> >more important than the constellations to the earliest
> >civilizations, and before them.
>
> What I am trying to get at is the the Earth axis is tilted at about 23
> degrees and because of this the axis rotates I think clock-wise using the
> right hand rule, about a normal drawn through the center of the earth and
> the plain of the earth orbit, taking about 28,000 years to complete one
> revolution. Thus every 2000 years the Earth's polar axis points 30 degrees
> westward (?) about the axis of precession and the constellations move.
>
> Now for the sake argument lets assume that the earths orbit is elliptical
> and therfore point exists a point where the earth is closest to the sun,
> perihelion, and a point where it is furthest away, aphelion.
>
> To further the argument lets assume that Mid Winters Day occurs at the point
> at which the earths polar axis is pointing away from the sun (right handed
> rotation rule makes the axis point north) ie when the N Hemisphere absorbs
> least sun, and that 2000 years ago this occured exactly at aphelion.
>
> Are you with me so far.
I am, but you're tying my brain in knots. That stuff I
haven't bothered with since university.
>
> 2000 years from the Birth of Christ the earth's polar axis has precessed 30
> degrees about the axis of precession and that the constellations visible at
> midnight on Mid Winters Day, as shown by drawing a straight line from the
> sun to the earth an the shortest day, will be rotated by 30 degrees and
> appear 2 hours earlier.
>
> Now in ths period of 2000 year inorder to reach mid winters day the earth
> would have rotated not 2000 revolutions, but 2000 and 1/12 of a revolution,
> ie Mid Winters Day would occur today 30 degrees westwards (assuming right
> handed rotation of the earth in its orbit) ie 1 full month later than it did
> at the time of Christ.
It's still only one month. Not 5 or 6 months.
>
> Also unless Aphelion is also precessing at the same rate as the earth's
> polar axis, Aphelion would occur one month earlier than MWD.
So it's one month earlier and one month later, which makes
it the correct month.
>
> Now the question that I originally posed to you Anna is why was Christmas
> moved by the Christians to Mid Winters Day.
To be at around the same time as the pagan festival. Didn't
I say that?
>
> Surlty a YEAR means a complete rotation of the earth around its orbit would
> always occur at Aphelion, assuming there is no precession of Aphelion, and
> thus if 2000 years ago Aphelion in on 22 Dec, then today it should also be
> on 22 December and the earth should still be pointing to the same stars at
> midnight.
But the calendar has been altered to correct it for
inaccuracies in the Julian one. When it was changed
everybody had a few dateless days holiday.
>
> This all lead me to calculate that 2000 years ago in the year 1 Mid Winters
> had was acctually on 22 November, (since today it is on 22 December) and
> therefore the pagan MWD festival would have been in NOVEMBER.
But did they know that December was in November?
>
> In the year 500 when Christmas was Moved, MWD would have occurred on the
> FIRST OF DECEMBER.
>
> So your claim that Christmas was moved to coincide with MWD makes no sec
> since in the year 500 MWD was NOT on December the 25th.
MWD never was on December 25th. Christmas was moved to close
to MWD, not on MWD.
>
> In any case in Roman times the new year began on 1st of March and if we
> assume that conception starts from the day a woman has her Period and
> creates a new egg (between 9-13 days later I think.), A child would be born
> not 9 but 10 months after a womans last period.
A woman's fertile period starts two weeks after the first
day of her last period, so in reality it is 9 1/2 months,
not 9.
>
> Thus the REAL reason that Christmas was moved from MARCH (not the summer as
> you claim), to 25 December was to facilitate a change from its connection
> with the time of Conception, to the time of Birth, and avoid coincidence
> with the Roman festival of Maralia.
But there are NT descriptions that do not fit with winter or
March. The season, the Roman census, ......
>
> Thus the TRUE Christian calendar should have began 10 days ago on 1 March.
> and that was the REAL New Millenniums Day.
Maybe May, not March. Making allowances for changes in the
calendar.
>
> >> >Winter is still winter and summer still summer. You don't
> >> >need the stars to tell you what the weather is.
> >>
> >> But you do, to tell you what the absolute time of year is
> >
> >Back then they couldn't tell the absolute time. Didn't have
> >atomic clocks.
>
> The had the stars and star maps.
That can be fairly accurate, but they didn't have as
accurate methods of measuring the movement of the earth in
orbit as we do, or the movement of the stars.
>
> How do you think Atomic Clocks are calibrated and synchronised.
By the decay rates of radioactive isotopes.
>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
> >> >> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully extended>
> >> >>
> >> >> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
> >> >
> >> ><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
> >> >kneads her jumper>
> >>
> >> Purrrrr . Purrrrrrr ..
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna s Jumper>
> >
> >Don't suck too hard, Aggie-tom, or you'll get a wool ball.
> >Gently does it.
>
> <Aggie-tom jumping from Anna's jumper and going over to the fridge,
> attempting to open the door with his nose, to get a drink of milk>
>
> Meeeoowwww...... meeeeoowwww.......
<Anna opening the fridge door, taking out the milk, opening
the carton and pouring Aggie-tom a BIG saucer of milk>
Is that better Aggie-tom?
>
> >>
> >> >> >And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
> >> >> >get exhausted?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
> >> >
> >> >Isn't that a little lazy? Shouldn't on-tom be followed by
> >> >tom-on? Just to be fair.
> >>
> >> Aggie-tom is saving energy so he can satisfy all of his kitties at once.
> >
> >That's the trouble with being greedy. Aggie-tom
> >over-indulges and exhausts himself, can't keep everyone
> >happy because Aggie-tom would turn into a shadow of his
> >former self if he tried.
>
> Aggie-tom can only keep everyone happy by conserving his energy.
Aggie-tom can please some of his kitties some of the time
but he can't please all of his kitties all of the time.
>
> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> OFTEL say BT can bill you for 0800 numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why does this fin spell checker keep deleting my apostrophe ses.
> >> >
> >> >I don't know, but maybe because they are in the wrong place
> >> >or shouldn't be there. Are you using a spell checker?
> >> >
> >>
> >> No. I definably put in apostrophes in the above sentence and now they
> have
> >> disposed from this post.
> >>
> >> Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
> >>
> >> Lest Checvh.
> >>
> >> List of apostrophe s es
> >>
> >> s s s
> >
> >All there.
> >
>
> Why are they mission the original copy of my reply in OE 4 then ?
I don't know. The first list of apostrophes you sent were
all there, the second post didn't have any. Was that second
one a copy of your earlier one?
>
> What is going on.
I don't know.
>
> How come you can see them and I cant.
Because they are there for me and not for you, it seems.
Could you have checked a 'delete apostrophes' option? No,
never heard of that one. Complain to Microsoft, or see if
the answer is in their Knowledge base.
Maybe it's because I still haven't got OE back and they are
visible in Netscape and not OE. No, because you could see
them in my reply, and they are still there.
>
> >> Now s apostroph s es
> >>
> >> s s s s s s s s
> >>
> >> are the apostrophes still there.
> >
> >All of them. Did you use Word?
>
> Yes.
One of those wonderful features of Word that they keep quiet
about? An apostrophe deletion facility?
Aggie-Tom
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>> Kritifile wrote in message <38C95C09...@btinternet.com>...
>> >
>> >
>> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
>> >> <38C827B9...@btinternet.com>...>
>> >> >
>> >>
>
>I'd just finished answering this when my computer crashed
So did mine, and erased every single header and message in s.c.g
>and I lost it all, so here goes again,...
>> >Could it be 27? I don't see why you shouldn't be able to mix
>> >them. Does the 68 pin socket carry power?
>>
>> The manual for my card is the biggest pile of Crap I have ever read. The
>> diagrams are not labelled and the references to the termination
>> configuration are incomplete and illogical. This is why I am worried.
>
>You're lucky, you have a manual. The only one with anything
>I need to read in it is my motherboard one. Is there a web
>site for the manufacturer or can you find anything in a
Useless.
>newsgroup about it? If not, you could try posting something
>in the comp.peripherals newsgroup.
>> >Phallic objects do prove that.
>>
>> Of cause. As I proved in my "Pagans of the Jehovah" essay last year in
this
>> group.
>
>I didn't read that one, but surely all religions started
>pagan?
But they evolved. Judaism DIDN’T evolve and still remains pagan.
>
>>
>> >than in the horrible little car I drive now. A powerful one
>> >can get me out of trouble, this little thing won't do more
>> >than 80 flat out.
>>
>> What little thing. Does it have 5th gear ?
>
>Its a Renault 5 and it does have a fifth gear. It is also 8
>cc over the maximum engine size for cut price road tax. Why
>can't the government ignore that tiny 8 cc and go by the
>official rounded off figure for engine size?
Why don’t you have it re-bored. No wait, that increases engine capacity
>> Are you with me so far.
>
>I am, but you're tying my brain in knots. That stuff I
>haven't bothered with since university.
Neither have I.
>> 2000 years from the Birth of Christ the earth's polar axis has precessed
30
>> degrees about the axis of precession and that the constellations visible
at
>> midnight on Mid Winters Day, as shown by drawing a straight line from the
>> sun to the earth an the shortest day, will be rotated by 30 degrees and
>> appear 2 hours earlier.
>>
>> Now in ths period of 2000 year inorder to reach mid winters day the earth
>> would have rotated not 2000 revolutions, but 2000 and 1/12 of a
revolution,
>> ie Mid Winters Day would occur today 30 degrees westwards (assuming right
>> handed rotation of the earth in its orbit) ie 1 full month later than it
did
>> at the time of Christ.
>
>It's still only one month. Not 5 or 6 months.
The point is that it has moved.
>> Also unless Aphelion is also precessing at the same rate as the earth's
>> polar axis, Aphelion would occur one month earlier than MWD.
>
>So it's one month earlier and one month later, which makes
>it the correct month.
So when di the Romans celebrate it. What fixed points did they base their
calendar on.
>> Now the question that I originally posed to you Anna is why was Christmas
>> moved by the Christians to Mid Winters Day.
>
>To be at around the same time as the pagan festival. Didn't
>I say that?
I has nothing to do with it.
Are they saying that Jesus was NOT a foetus or embryo and was created at the
moment of his birth.
Of cans e not. Jesus was alive from the moment of his conception, and since
a woman’s egg cell is alive, this must have been implanted by God after her
last period. Thus the total duration of Jesus’ incubation was 10 months and
not 9.
>> Surlty a YEAR means a complete rotation of the earth around its orbit
would
>> always occur at Aphelion, assuming there is no precession of Aphelion,
and
>> thus if 2000 years ago Aphelion in on 22 Dec, then today it should also
be
>> on 22 December and the earth should still be pointing to the same stars
at
>> midnight.
>
>But the calendar has been altered to correct it for
>inaccuracies in the Julian one. When it was changed
>everybody had a few dateless days holiday.
So what I am asking is what was it change from and what to. How was it
calculated, and how is our calendar calculated.
>> This all lead me to calculate that 2000 years ago in the year 1 Mid
Winters
>> had was acctually on 22 November, (since today it is on 22 December) and
>> therefore the pagan MWD festival would have been in NOVEMBER.
>
>But did they know that December was in November?
No….. or Yes……
I’m not sure now.
I was never sure in the beginning either.
>> In the year 500 when Christmas was Moved, MWD would have occurred on the
>> FIRST OF DECEMBER.
>>
>> So your claim that Christmas was moved to coincide with MWD makes no sec
>> since in the year 500 MWD was NOT on December the 25th.
>MWD never was on December 25th. Christmas was moved to close
>to MWD, not on MWD.
Will be in 90 years time.
Maybe that is when the world will end.
>>
>> In any case in Roman times the new year began on 1st of March and if we
>> assume that conception starts from the day a woman has her Period and
>> creates a new egg (between 9-13 days later I think.), A child would be
born
>> not 9 but 10 months after a womans last period.
>
>A woman's fertile period starts two weeks after the first
>day of her last period, so in reality it is 9 1/2 months,
>not 9.
Yes !
>> Thus the REAL reason that Christmas was moved from MARCH (not the summer
as
>> you claim), to 25 December was to facilitate a change from its connection
>> with the time of Conception, to the time of Birth, and avoid coincidence
>> with the Roman festival of Maralia.
>
>But there are NT descriptions that do not fit with winter or
>March. The season, the Roman census, ......
But March would have been the start of Summer 2000 years ago in the middle
east.
Not only were the seasons in different places but there were less of them.
There was never truly a winter, it was mostly spring in January and summer
started early and lasted longer.
>> Thus the TRUE Christian calendar should have began 10 days ago on 1
March.
>> and that was the REAL New Millenniums Day.
>
>Maybe May, not March. Making allowances for changes in the
>calendar.
No.
>> >> >Winter is still winter and summer still summer. You don't
>> >> >need the stars to tell you what the weather is.
>> >>
>> >> But you do, to tell you what the absolute time of year is
>> >
>> >Back then they couldn't tell the absolute time. Didn't have
>> >atomic clocks.
>>
>> The had the stars and star maps.
>
>That can be fairly accurate, but they didn't have as
>accurate methods of measuring the movement of the earth in
>orbit as we do, or the movement of the stars.
>
>>
>> How do you think Atomic Clocks are calibrated and synchronised.
>
>By the decay rates of radioactive isotopes.
None are as accurate as observations of pulsars.
>> >> >> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
>> >> >> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully
extended>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
>> >> >
>> >> ><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
>> >> >kneads her jumper>
>> >>
>> >> Purrrrr………. Purrrrrrr………..
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna’s Jumper>
>> >
>> >Don't suck too hard, Aggie-tom, or you'll get a wool ball.
>> >Gently does it.
>>
>> <Aggie-tom jumping from Anna's jumper and going over to the fridge,
>> attempting to open the door with his nose, to get a drink of milk>
>>
>> Meeeoowwww...... meeeeoowwww.......
>
><Anna opening the fridge door, taking out the milk, opening
>the carton and pouring Aggie-tom a BIG saucer of milk>
>
>Is that better Aggie-tom?
<Aggie-tom lapping up the milk and licking the saucer dry>
meeeowww…. meeeooww….
<Aggie-tom trying to climb up Annas leg>
>> >> >> >And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
>> >> >> >get exhausted?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
>> >> >
>> >> >Isn't that a little lazy? Shouldn't on-tom be followed by
>> >> >tom-on? Just to be fair.
>> >>
>> >> Aggie-tom is saving energy so he can satisfy all of his kitties at
once.
>> >
>> >That's the trouble with being greedy. Aggie-tom
>> >over-indulges and exhausts himself, can't keep everyone
>> >happy because Aggie-tom would turn into a shadow of his
>> >former self if he tried.
>>
>> Aggie-tom can only keep everyone happy by conserving his energy.
>
>Aggie-tom can please some of his kitties some of the time
>but he can't please all of his kitties all of the time.
Say who…..
Are any of Aggie-tom’s kitties complaining.
>> >> >I don't know, but maybe because they are in the wrong place
>> >> >or shouldn't be there. Are you using a spell checker?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> No. I definably put in apostrophes in the above sentence and now they
>> have
>> >> disposed from this post.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
>> >>
>> >> Lest Checvh.
>> >>
>> >> List of apostrophe s’es
>> >>
>> >> ‘s ‘s ‘s
>> >
>> >All there.
>> >
>>
>> Why are they mission the original copy of my reply in OE 4 then ?
>
>I don't know. The first list of apostrophes you sent were
>all there, the second post didn't have any. Was that second
>one a copy of your earlier one?
No. It was the same clipboard copy
>
>>
>> What is going on.
>
>I don't know.
Neither do I.
>>
>> How come you can see them and I cant.
>
>Because they are there for me and not for you, it seems.
>Could you have checked a 'delete apostrophes' option? No,
>never heard of that one. Complain to Microsoft, or see if
>the answer is in their Knowledge base.
>Maybe it's because I still haven't got OE back and they are
>visible in Netscape and not OE. No, because you could see
Probably.
>them in my reply, and they are still there.
>
>>
>> >> Now s apostroph s’es
>> >>
>> >> s’s s’s s’s s’s
>> >>
>> >> are the apostrophes still there.
>> >
>> >All of them. Did you use Word?
>>
>> Yes.
>
>One of those wonderful features of Word that they keep quiet
>about? An apostrophe deletion facility?
An apostrophe deletion facility that I don’t want.
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> <38CA6ADA...@btinternet.com>...>
> >
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> Kritifile wrote in message <38C95C09...@btinternet.com>...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message
> >> >> <38C827B9...@btinternet.com>...>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >
> >I'd just finished answering this when my computer crashed
>
> So did mine, and erased every single header and message in s.c.g
>
> >and I lost it all, so here goes again,...
Bag luck, but at least you didn't lose OE as well.
>
> >> >Could it be 27? I don't see why you shouldn't be able to mix
> >> >them. Does the 68 pin socket carry power?
> >>
> >> The manual for my card is the biggest pile of Crap I have ever read. The
> >> diagrams are not labelled and the references to the termination
> >> configuration are incomplete and illogical. This is why I am worried.
> >
> >You're lucky, you have a manual. The only one with anything
> >I need to read in it is my motherboard one. Is there a web
> >site for the manufacturer or can you find anything in a
>
> Useless.
Try the newsgroups, search Deja and the web...
>
> >newsgroup about it? If not, you could try posting something
> >in the comp.peripherals newsgroup.
>
> >> >Phallic objects do prove that.
> >>
> >> Of cause. As I proved in my "Pagans of the Jehovah" essay last year in
> this
> >> group.
> >
> >I didn't read that one, but surely all religions started
> >pagan?
>
> But they evolved. Judaism DIDN T evolve and still remains pagan.
Judaism did not evolve, unless you count Christianity and
Islam.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >than in the horrible little car I drive now. A powerful one
> >> >can get me out of trouble, this little thing won't do more
> >> >than 80 flat out.
> >>
> >> What little thing. Does it have 5th gear ?
> >
> >Its a Renault 5 and it does have a fifth gear. It is also 8
> >cc over the maximum engine size for cut price road tax. Why
> >can't the government ignore that tiny 8 cc and go by the
> >official rounded off figure for engine size?
>
> Why don t you have it re-bored. No wait, that increases engine capacity
That is a good idea, it would have more power. But then I'd
need new brakes, clutch, suspension...
>
> >> Are you with me so far.
> >
> >I am, but you're tying my brain in knots. That stuff I
> >haven't bothered with since university.
>
> Neither have I.
And I'm finding it something I have to really think hard
about. Maths is not my best subject and that has too much
math in it.
>
> >> 2000 years from the Birth of Christ the earth's polar axis has precessed
> 30
> >> degrees about the axis of precession and that the constellations visible
> at
> >> midnight on Mid Winters Day, as shown by drawing a straight line from the
> >> sun to the earth an the shortest day, will be rotated by 30 degrees and
> >> appear 2 hours earlier.
> >>
> >> Now in ths period of 2000 year inorder to reach mid winters day the earth
> >> would have rotated not 2000 revolutions, but 2000 and 1/12 of a
> revolution,
> >> ie Mid Winters Day would occur today 30 degrees westwards (assuming right
> >> handed rotation of the earth in its orbit) ie 1 full month later than it
> did
> >> at the time of Christ.
> >
> >It's still only one month. Not 5 or 6 months.
>
> The point is that it has moved.
I know it has moved. I never said it hadn't. Did I?
>
> >> Also unless Aphelion is also precessing at the same rate as the earth's
> >> polar axis, Aphelion would occur one month earlier than MWD.
> >
> >So it's one month earlier and one month later, which makes
> >it the correct month.
>
> So when di the Romans celebrate it. What fixed points did they base their
> calendar on.
According to the thread that has come from this, in March. I
think I remember something about that from the past.
>
> >> Now the question that I originally posed to you Anna is why was Christmas
> >> moved by the Christians to Mid Winters Day.
> >
> >To be at around the same time as the pagan festival. Didn't
> >I say that?
>
> I has nothing to do with it.
Of course it has everything to do with it. That is why it
was moved, to compete with the prevailing pagan festival.
>
> Are they saying that Jesus was NOT a foetus or embryo and was created at the
> moment of his birth.
You know I'm not..
>
> Of cans e not. Jesus was alive from the moment of his conception, and since
> a woman s egg cell is alive, this must have been implanted by God after her
> last period. Thus the total duration of Jesus incubation was 10 months and
> not 9.
9 1/2 months. Two weeks after the start of a womans' period
is the way fertile times are calculated. Of course, in
reality it's two weeks before the start of the next one, but
that's close enough.
>
> >> Surlty a YEAR means a complete rotation of the earth around its orbit
> would
> >> always occur at Aphelion, assuming there is no precession of Aphelion,
> and
> >> thus if 2000 years ago Aphelion in on 22 Dec, then today it should also
> be
> >> on 22 December and the earth should still be pointing to the same stars
> at
> >> midnight.
> >
> >But the calendar has been altered to correct it for
> >inaccuracies in the Julian one. When it was changed
> >everybody had a few dateless days holiday.
>
> So what I am asking is what was it change from and what to. How was it
> calculated, and how is our calendar calculated.
I don't know what the pre Christian calendar was. Dated from
the start of the reign of a king or emperor? Whatever, in
the time of Julius Caeser it was changed to the Julian
calendar, because of inaccuracies in the earlier Roman (and
maybe Greek before that) one, then Pope Gregory changed it
to the Gregorian one, to correct mistakes in the Julian. By
that time inaccuracies added up to two months.
>
> >> This all lead me to calculate that 2000 years ago in the year 1 Mid
> Winters
> >> had was acctually on 22 November, (since today it is on 22 December) and
> >> therefore the pagan MWD festival would have been in NOVEMBER.
> >
> >But did they know that December was in November?
>
> No .. or Yes
I'd guess that they didn't know, if they were using a
calendar that was wrong. But some must have done because it
was changed.
>
> I m not sure now.
>
> I was never sure in the beginning either.
I'd think that the majority didn't know but a few did,
otherwise the calendar would never have been changed. When
the Gregorian calendar started there were riots because
people thought that the days had been stolen that had been
lost to make it more accurate. The Gregorian calendar is
better, but still the inaccuracies creep in over time.
I don't know, but I'm sure that some people know.
>
> >> In the year 500 when Christmas was Moved, MWD would have occurred on the
> >> FIRST OF DECEMBER.
> >>
> >> So your claim that Christmas was moved to coincide with MWD makes no sec
> >> since in the year 500 MWD was NOT on December the 25th.
>
> >MWD never was on December 25th. Christmas was moved to close
> >to MWD, not on MWD.
>
> Will be in 90 years time.
So we can have a pagan festival and a Christmas at the same
time.
>
> Maybe that is when the world will end.
It will be a good time for the end - of - the - world cults.
>
> >>
> >> In any case in Roman times the new year began on 1st of March and if we
> >> assume that conception starts from the day a woman has her Period and
> >> creates a new egg (between 9-13 days later I think.), A child would be
> born
> >> not 9 but 10 months after a womans last period.
> >
> >A woman's fertile period starts two weeks after the first
> >day of her last period, so in reality it is 9 1/2 months,
> >not 9.
>
> Yes !
>
> >> Thus the REAL reason that Christmas was moved from MARCH (not the summer
> as
> >> you claim), to 25 December was to facilitate a change from its connection
> >> with the time of Conception, to the time of Birth, and avoid coincidence
> >> with the Roman festival of Maralia.
> >
> >But there are NT descriptions that do not fit with winter or
> >March. The season, the Roman census, ......
>
> But March would have been the start of Summer 2000 years ago in the middle
> east.
YES!
>
> Not only were the seasons in different places but there were less of them.
>
> There was never truly a winter, it was mostly spring in January and summer
> started early and lasted longer.
Has the climate changed that much? It can get very cold in
the middle east at night in winter, especially in the
desert.
>
> >> Thus the TRUE Christian calendar should have began 10 days ago on 1
> March.
> >> and that was the REAL New Millenniums Day.
> >
> >Maybe May, not March. Making allowances for changes in the
> >calendar.
>
> No.
March, agreed. I don't have the books handy that I got the
information from, but March is more likely, I guess.
>
> >> >> >Winter is still winter and summer still summer. You don't
> >> >> >need the stars to tell you what the weather is.
> >> >>
> >> >> But you do, to tell you what the absolute time of year is
> >> >
> >> >Back then they couldn't tell the absolute time. Didn't have
> >> >atomic clocks.
> >>
> >> The had the stars and star maps.
> >
> >That can be fairly accurate, but they didn't have as
> >accurate methods of measuring the movement of the earth in
> >orbit as we do, or the movement of the stars.
> >
> >>
> >> How do you think Atomic Clocks are calibrated and synchronised.
> >
> >By the decay rates of radioactive isotopes.
>
> None are as accurate as observations of pulsars.
No, pulsars are accurate, if they are stable ones. But they
couldn't be studied before modern telescopes, particularly
radio telescopes.
>
> >> >> >> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
> >> >> >> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully
> extended>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
> >> >> >kneads her jumper>
> >> >>
> >> >> Purrrrr . Purrrrrrr ..
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna s Jumper>
> >> >
> >> >Don't suck too hard, Aggie-tom, or you'll get a wool ball.
> >> >Gently does it.
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom jumping from Anna's jumper and going over to the fridge,
> >> attempting to open the door with his nose, to get a drink of milk>
> >>
> >> Meeeoowwww...... meeeeoowwww.......
> >
> ><Anna opening the fridge door, taking out the milk, opening
> >the carton and pouring Aggie-tom a BIG saucer of milk>
> >
> >Is that better Aggie-tom?
>
> <Aggie-tom lapping up the milk and licking the saucer dry>
>
> meeeowww . meeeooww .
>
> <Aggie-tom trying to climb up Annas leg>
<Anna bending down and picking Aggie-tom up>
>
> >> >> >> >And I was thinking of fingers and toes. Wouldn't Aggie-tom
> >> >> >> >get exhausted?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Of cause not. Aggie-tom prefers the women to go on-tom
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Isn't that a little lazy? Shouldn't on-tom be followed by
> >> >> >tom-on? Just to be fair.
> >> >>
> >> >> Aggie-tom is saving energy so he can satisfy all of his kitties at
> once.
> >> >
> >> >That's the trouble with being greedy. Aggie-tom
> >> >over-indulges and exhausts himself, can't keep everyone
> >> >happy because Aggie-tom would turn into a shadow of his
> >> >former self if he tried.
> >>
> >> Aggie-tom can only keep everyone happy by conserving his energy.
> >
> >Aggie-tom can please some of his kitties some of the time
> >but he can't please all of his kitties all of the time.
>
> Say who ..
Some old American president, I think. Only he was talking
about people, not Kitties.
>
> Are any of Aggie-tom s kitties complaining.
They don't see Aggie-tom for long enough to complain...
>
> >> >> >I don't know, but maybe because they are in the wrong place
> >> >> >or shouldn't be there. Are you using a spell checker?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> No. I definably put in apostrophes in the above sentence and now they
> >> have
> >> >> disposed from this post.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe MS Word deletes the when pasting into OE.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lest Checvh.
> >> >>
> >> >> List of apostrophe s es
> >> >>
> >> >> s s s
> >> >
> >> >All there.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why are they mission the original copy of my reply in OE 4 then ?
> >
> >I don't know. The first list of apostrophes you sent were
> >all there, the second post didn't have any. Was that second
> >one a copy of your earlier one?
>
> No. It was the same clipboard copy
Could your clipboard be dropping them? Maybe if you examined
it closely you'd find lot's of these scattered over your
hard disk........' ' ' ''' '''.....that sort of thing.
>
> >
> >>
> >> What is going on.
> >
> >I don't know.
>
> Neither do I.
>
> >>
> >> How come you can see them and I cant.
> >
> >Because they are there for me and not for you, it seems.
> >Could you have checked a 'delete apostrophes' option? No,
> >never heard of that one. Complain to Microsoft, or see if
> >the answer is in their Knowledge base.
> >Maybe it's because I still haven't got OE back and they are
> >visible in Netscape and not OE. No, because you could see
>
> Probably.
See what happens if you paste to Netscape, Eudora, or Agent?
>
> >them in my reply, and they are still there.
> >
> >>
> >> >> Now s apostroph s es
> >> >>
> >> >> s s s s s s s s
> >> >>
> >> >> are the apostrophes still there.
> >> >
> >> >All of them. Did you use Word?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> >One of those wonderful features of Word that they keep quiet
> >about? An apostrophe deletion facility?
>
> An apostrophe deletion facility that I don t want.
You aren't complaining about those unexpected features, are
you?
I wouldn't want one either. I already have an automatic
reboot facility that is a big nuisance.
Aggie-Tom
Kritifile wrote in message <38CBB935...@btinternet.com>...
>
>
>Aggie-Tom wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Of cans e not. Jesus was alive from the moment of his conception, and
since
>> a woman’s egg cell is alive, this must have been implanted by God after
her
>> last period. Thus the total duration of Jesus’ incubation was 10 months
and
>> not 9.
>
>9 1/2 months. Two weeks after the start of a womans' period
>is the way fertile times are calculated. Of course, in
>reality it's two weeks before the start of the next one, but
>that's close enough.
So dont you think that Christs conception is more important than his birth.
Why isn't that celebrated.
>
>>
>> Not only were the seasons in different places but there were less of
them.
>>
>> There was never truly a winter, it was mostly spring in January and
summer
>> started early and lasted longer.
>
>Has the climate changed that much? It can get very cold in
>the middle east at night in winter, especially in the
>desert.
It can get even colder at night in the summer since there is no cloud cover
to keep the heat in.
>> >> >> >> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
>> >> >> >> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully
>> extended>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> ><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
>> >> >> >kneads her jumper>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Purrrrr………. Purrrrrrr………..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna’s Jumper>
>> >> >
>> >> >Don't suck too hard, Aggie-tom, or you'll get a wool ball.
>> >> >Gently does it.
>> >>
>> >> <Aggie-tom jumping from Anna's jumper and going over to the fridge,
>> >> attempting to open the door with his nose, to get a drink of milk>
>> >>
>> >> Meeeoowwww...... meeeeoowwww.......
>> >
>> ><Anna opening the fridge door, taking out the milk, opening
>> >the carton and pouring Aggie-tom a BIG saucer of milk>
>> >
>> >Is that better Aggie-tom?
>>
>> <Aggie-tom lapping up the milk and licking the saucer dry>
>>
>> meeeowww…. meeeooww….
>>
>> <Aggie-tom trying to climb up Annas leg>
>
><Anna bending down and picking Aggie-tom up>
<Aggie-tom closing his eyes and curling up into a ball>
purrrrrr...... purrrrrrrr
>> >Aggie-tom can please some of his kitties some of the time
>> >but he can't please all of his kitties all of the time.
>>
>> Say who…..
>
>Some old American president, I think. Only he was talking
>about people, not Kitties.
>
>>
>> Are any of Aggie-tom’s kitties complaining.
>
>They don't see Aggie-tom for long enough to complain...
So they are happy when they see him.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.....
>> Probably.
>
>See what happens if you paste to Netscape, Eudora, or Agent?
Dont have Netscape or Eudora.
>> >them in my reply, and they are still there.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >> Now s apostroph s’es
>> >> >>
>> >> >> s’s s’s s’s s’s
>> >> >>
>> >> >> are the apostrophes still there.
>> >> >
>> >> >All of them. Did you use Word?
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >
>> >One of those wonderful features of Word that they keep quiet
>> >about? An apostrophe deletion facility?
>>
>> An apostrophe deletion facility that I don’t want.
>
>You aren't complaining about those unexpected features, are
>you?
>
>I wouldn't want one either. I already have an automatic
>reboot facility that is a big nuisance.
So have I. And every time W98 goes into its scheduled tasks it crashes
Explorer which stops responding it you interrupt them.
Jon Papadimitriou
Aggie-Tom wrote:
> So dont you think that Christs conception is more important than his birth.
> Why isn't that celebrated.
>
Aggie,
It is celebrated. By holding that Jesus was born on 25 December, the Church
has the 25 March as the Evangelismos of the Theotokos. 9 month difference.
That's the day that the Church holds that the Archangel (I think Gabriel)
appeared and announce to Mary that she was pregnant with Jesus.
Aggie-Tom
Jon Papadimitriou wrote in message
<38CD807A...@nospam.geocities.com>...
That accounts for the Sperm, but what about the Egg. Dint the egg come from
god also and thus Mary was a surrogate mother.
If the Egg came from god then it would have to have been created and
implanted to evolve naturally after Mary's last period on the 1st of March,
after which it was impregnated with gods sperm on the 25th.
Kritifile
Aggie-Tom wrote:
>
> Kritifile wrote in message <38CBB935...@btinternet.com>...
> >
> >
> >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >>
>
> >
> >>
> >> Of cans e not. Jesus was alive from the moment of his conception, and
> since
> >> a woman’s egg cell is alive, this must have been implanted by God after
> her
> >> last period. Thus the total duration of Jesus’ incubation was 10 months
> and
> >> not 9.
> >
> >9 1/2 months. Two weeks after the start of a womans' period
> >is the way fertile times are calculated. Of course, in
> >reality it's two weeks before the start of the next one, but
> >that's close enough.
>
> So dont you think that Christs conception is more important than his birth.
> Why isn't that celebrated.
Which is more important, His conception, His birth, His
death, His resurrection? All are important and all are
celebrated. I think that all are important.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Not only were the seasons in different places but there were less of
> them.
> >>
> >> There was never truly a winter, it was mostly spring in January and
> summer
> >> started early and lasted longer.
> >
> >Has the climate changed that much? It can get very cold in
> >the middle east at night in winter, especially in the
> >desert.
>
> It can get even colder at night in the summer since there is no cloud cover
> to keep the heat in.
True, at night the temperature can drop below freezing in a
desert in summer. But the day is hot at that time of year.
Of course winter and summer are, maybe, the only true
seasons in the Middle East.
>
> >> >> >> >> >Dig your claws in as much as you want. Aggie-tom can do that
> >> >> >> >> >now without turning Anna into a pincushion.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom needing his paws into Annas jumper, claws fully
> >> extended>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> PURRRRR. PURRRRR..
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> ><Anna cuddling Aggie-tom and his extended claws while he
> >> >> >> >kneads her jumper>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Purrrrr………. Purrrrrrr………..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <Aggie-tom sucking at a tuft in Anna’s Jumper>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Don't suck too hard, Aggie-tom, or you'll get a wool ball.
> >> >> >Gently does it.
> >> >>
> >> >> <Aggie-tom jumping from Anna's jumper and going over to the fridge,
> >> >> attempting to open the door with his nose, to get a drink of milk>
> >> >>
> >> >> Meeeoowwww...... meeeeoowwww.......
> >> >
> >> ><Anna opening the fridge door, taking out the milk, opening
> >> >the carton and pouring Aggie-tom a BIG saucer of milk>
> >> >
> >> >Is that better Aggie-tom?
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom lapping up the milk and licking the saucer dry>
> >>
> >> meeeowww…. meeeooww….
> >>
> >> <Aggie-tom trying to climb up Annas leg>
> >
> ><Anna bending down and picking Aggie-tom up>
>
> <Aggie-tom closing his eyes and curling up into a ball>
>
> purrrrrr...... purrrrrrrr
>
> >> >Aggie-tom can please some of his kitties some of the time
> >> >but he can't please all of his kitties all of the time.
> >>
> >> Say who…..
> >
> >Some old American president, I think. Only he was talking
> >about people, not Kitties.
> >
> >>
> >> Are any of Aggie-tom’s kitties complaining.
> >
> >They don't see Aggie-tom for long enough to complain...
>
> So they are happy when they see him.
>
> Absence makes the heart grow fonder.....
...of somebody else, a cynical addition to that saying, but
often true.
>
> >> Probably.
> >
> >See what happens if you paste to Netscape, Eudora, or Agent?
>
> Dont have Netscape or Eudora.
>
> >> >them in my reply, and they are still there.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Now s apostroph s’es
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> s’s s’s s’s s’s
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> are the apostrophes still there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >All of them. Did you use Word?
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes.
> >> >
> >> >One of those wonderful features of Word that they keep quiet
> >> >about? An apostrophe deletion facility?
> >>
> >> An apostrophe deletion facility that I don’t want.
> >
> >You aren't complaining about those unexpected features, are
> >you?
> >
> >I wouldn't want one either. I already have an automatic
> >reboot facility that is a big nuisance.
>
> So have I. And every time W98 goes into its scheduled tasks it crashes
> Explorer which stops responding it you interrupt them.
I don't have that one. But automatic Skandisk and Defrag are
a little pointless for me. They keep restarting because I
have programs writing to disk. I have to turn my background
stuff off before I can run them so using Scheduled Tasks for
that bit of maintenance is useless. I do use it for other
things, though, without problem.
--
Anna
pi_o...@my-deja.com
Kritifile <law...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Aggie-Tom wrote:
> >
> > Kritifile<LAW...@BTINTERNET.COM wrote in message...>
> > >
> > >Aggie-Tom wrote:
> > >>
> >
> > >> If MicroCrap dont bring down the price of Windows2000 to a
reasonable
> > level
> > >> Linux will soon take over from W9x as the standard home
operating system.
Im sorry, Linus is no longer being drawn, sad isn't it. sems like
Microsoft will carrty on.
> > >It could well do so, when it is easier to set up. I wouldn't
> > >mind that, as long as it stays free. There are allergy a few
> > >Linux boxes for sale, pre configured, but you still need to
> > >know something about computers to do much other than run
> > >pre installed programs. How many could download and install
> > >an rpm, let alone compile the code that some programs are
> > >downloaded as.
YES! I want a L-Book loaded with crappy free linux software!
LONG LIVE MICROSOFT!
> > How fast is the compiler.
Billions and billions faster than yours
> I'll let you know as soon as I clear my smaller HD
> completely and format it as a Linux partition. Haven't done
> that yet because I can't decide what to delete and my
> program for moving isn't moving anything.
$139 for a 20 gig, please even a deadbeat microsoft employee can afford
one.
> > >> I tried using one of those but it couldnt handle more then 100
>fonts
hrrm seems like a personal problem
> > >> already installed and kept crashing every time it tried to index
them.
well use 3x5 cards instead, safer. hard copy!
> > >A lot of stuff has been ported from the Mac. Try one of the
> > >Mac-original ones?
apples and oranges, I'm telling yah
> > The trouble with Mac conversion is that the run 10 times slower on
a PC and
> > the user interface is crap.
yes its the Human.
> I haven't tried them, but I read a recent article that said
> that many Mac programs are now also written for Windows. Of
> course they would be much slower using an emulator.
Emuluate windows? why? emulate Mac? why? emulate an Atari is the real
question.
> > >> >Microsoft are useless. Theyve now ditched Windows 9x
> > >> >> and expect everyone to pay £500 extra for W2000 which is what
is being
> > >> given
> > >> >> away with all new medium end computers from Dell now (700MHz
and
> > above).
500? wow thats like 1 billion us dollars. WOW! can i buy 10 copies
pleasE?
> > >They shouldn't, and I've seen plenty with W98SE. W2000 is
> > >for business use. Servers and workstations, it's a
> > >replacement for NT4. In fact it is NT5.
NT4 is ust a steping stone to a real OS. OS/2
> > Since MS are no-longer going to support W9x why install a defunct
operating
> > system.
9x? isnt that a phone company bell atlantic bought
> They are still supporting it now. When they finally come out
> with the home version of W2000 they'll stop supporting W9x.
>
> >
> > >> >> Why should Word 95 be able to work faster editing a 1MB than
OE with a
> > >> 10K
> > >> >> file. Why should I have to buy a faster computer when my
presnt
who cares?
> > computer
> > >> >> works fine. Where do I put the new on. I dont have an extra
desk.
> > >> Actually
> > >> >> I do but its already being used.
ack used? you better get out of that relationship
> > >The reason could be the Microsoft/Intel partnership? Missed
> > >that bit...
AMD is microsults girlfriend
> > Oh you mean MS make the programs run slower so you have to buy a
faster PC.
yes a 386 would do
> No, I mean that MS writes programs that won't work properly
> unless you by a new, faster PC. Same result, slightly
> different method.
OH YES!
> > >> >W2000 is for business use. Windows Millenium edition has yet
> > >> >to be released. There will be a W2000 for home users, so
> > >>
> > >> Windows Millennium is a PILE OF CRAP and still base on 16bit
> > architecture.
> > >
> > >I know. Next should be the W2000 for home users. What will
> > >that be like...and cost? Also, no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft
> > >anymore. "It encourages pirating" they say. Which means if
>
> I haven't a clue what it will cost. Probably a bit more than
> W98, at a rough guess. As for no OEM CD ROM from Microsoft,
> I think that will encourage pirating. If you want one for a
> new PC, a lot of people would rather buy a pirated copy than
> pay for it twice. Most don't know enough to buy a PC without
> an OS and install one they bought to a clean disc.
>
i give up
> > Making you pay £80 for an upgrade which is full of bugs encourages
pirating.
> >
> > >you have a computer without Windows on CD and your HD
> > >crashes, you have to go and buy a new copy of the OS.
> >
> > At £150. Why not just buy a pirate copy of W2000. The going rate
seems to be
> > £20 over here, but I haven seen a copy yet.
>
> It's on the Warez sites, if you can get through the porn and
> the viruses.
P0rn oh yes i love p0rn! kitty p0rn!
> >
> > >> >untill that happens all manufacturers should offer an
> > >> >alternative OS, unless the machine is for business.
> > >> >I'd like an extra computer, but I have only one desk in a
> > >> >small space. I'll take your old one off you for Linux if you
> > >> >want to get rid of it, but I'd have to hunt for somewhere to
> > >>
> > >> You can have it but only after Ive taken my SCSI adapter, Sound
Card and
> > >> SCSI CD ROM and Re-Writer out.
Re-writer? does that take used disks wipe them cl;ean and start fresh?
> > >I'd only need a network adapter and CD ROM, but what do you
> > >want an old, slow one for? Or is it? I want to set up a
> >
> > 40x SCSI isnt slow. Its faster than the caching speed of the IDE
Hard Disk.
>
> That isn't slow. I thought the SCSI was for something else
> and you had the original CD drive (if it had one).
does that have spandex?
OpaTennant
<8bade5$kss$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
Some funny sarcastic remarks.....LOL
BTW, where can one get a 20 gig HDD for only $139?! I wanted to upgrade my hard
drive and was quoted a price of $350! And that was just to upgrade to 4 gigs!
Moreover, they told me that if I wanted them to transfer data from my present
HDD to the new one, that it would cost another $150!!! However, I do use a
laptop, which means that I have to pay double what desk-top owners pay for just
about everything.
Anyway, no way I was going to pay $500 to upgrade to only 4 gigs, especially
when this clunker only operates at 75 MHz and doesn't even have a CD ROM. It
makes more sense simply to buy a new computer for a little over double that
price and get everything.
Hey, who are you anyway? Anyone we know in here under another name? ;-)
Krisztina
Kritifile
Very funny, pi_oxlay. What, in your opinion, is the best
computer? A Z80? :-) Surely if you want an Atari, it's more
productive to use the programs on an emulator than have a
closed system lump of hardware messing the place up.