Nazi "Human skin" lampshades were actually goat skin
Doomsday Cultist
American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades were
really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by General
Clay years later:
"There was absolutely no evidence in the trial transcript, other than she
was a rather loathsome creature, that would support the death sentence. I
suppose I received more abuse for that than for anything else I did in
Germany. Some reporter had called her the "Bitch of Buchenwald," had written
that she had lamp shades made of human skin in
her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven
that the lamp shades were made out of goat skin."
According to the Buchenwald Report, there was a factory at Buchenwald, which
produced leather goods out of animal skins, but it caught on fire during an
Allied bombing raid on the camp on August 24, 1944.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch4.html
"A display table was set up and a film, directed by Billy Wilder, was made
to document the atrocities in the camp."
Billy Wilder (June 22, 1906 - March 27, 2002) was an Austrian-born,
Jewish-American journalist, screenwriter, film director, and producer whose
career spanned more than 50 years and 60 films. He is regarded as one of the
most brilliant and versatile filmmakers of Hollywood's golden age.
Under cross-examination, Dr. Sitte was forced to admit that he had never
seen any of the lampshades allegedly made of human skin and that he had no
personal knowledge of any prisoner who had been reported by Frau Koch and
was then killed so that his tattooed skin could be made into a lampshade. He
also admitted that the lampshade that was on the display table in the film
was not the lampshade made from human skin that was allegedly delivered to
Frau Koch. Apparently the most important piece of evidence, the lampshade
made from human skin, was nowhere in sight during the trial.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch.html
The Trial of Ilse Koch
Frau Koch had been previously investigated for 8 months by Dr. Georg Konrad
Morgen, an SS officer who had been assigned in 1943 to look into accusations
of corruption and murder in the Buchenwald camp. She had already been put on
trial in December 1943 in a special Nazi Court where Konrad Morgan was the
judge. The rumor, circulated by the inmates at Buchenwald, that lamp shades
had been made out of human skin, was thoroughly investigated, but no
evidence was found and this charge against Frau Koch had been dismissed by
Morgen.
Even though Ilse Koch had been acquitted in Morgen's court, the former
inmates at Buchenwald were convinced that she had ordered prisoners to be
killed, so that their tattooed skin could be made into lamp shades. When the
American liberators arrived, they were told about the gory accessories in
Frau Koch's home. A display table was set up and a film, directed by Billy
Wilder, was made to document the atrocities in the camp.
The story of the making of human lampshades at Buchenwald received a great
deal of attention by the American press, and in the two years between the
liberation of the camp and the start of the Buchenwald trial at Dachau,
there had been considerable coverage in American newspapers. By the time the
trial got underway, there was not the slightest doubt in the minds of most
Americans that Ilse Koch was indeed guilty of this despicable crime.
Dr. Sitte, who had a PhD in physics, was one of the star witnesses against
Ilse Koch. He had been a prisoner at Buchenwald from September 1939 until
the liberation. He testified that tattooed skin was stripped from the bodies
of dead prisoners and "was often used to create lampshades, knife cases, and
similar items for the SS." He told the court that it was "common knowledge"
that tattooed prisoners were sent to the hospital after Ilse Koch had passed
by them on work details. According to Joshua M. Greene, author of "Justice
at Dachau," Dr. Sitte testified that "These prisoners were killed in the
hospital and the tattooing stripped off." Dr. Sitte's testimony of "common
knowledge" was just another word for hearsay testimony, which was allowed by
the American Military Tribunal.
Under cross-examination, Dr. Sitte was forced to admit that he had never
seen any of the lampshades allegedly made of human skin and that he had no
personal knowledge of any prisoner who had been reported by Frau Koch and
was then killed so that his tattooed skin could be made into a lampshade. He
also admitted that the lampshade that was on the display table in the film
was not the lampshade made from human skin that was allegedly delivered to
Frau Koch. Apparently the most important piece of evidence, the lampshade
made from human skin, was nowhere in sight during the trial.
At least two witnesses testified about a lamp with a shade fashioned out of
human skin and a base made from a human leg bone, which they claimed had
been delivered to Frau Koch. One of these witnesses, Kurt Wilhelm Leeser,
testified that he had previously seen the tattoos on this lamp shade on the
arms of a fellow prisoner, Josef Collinette, before he died. This lamp was
not introduced into evidence in the courtroom and there were no witnesses
from the American military who testified about its existence.
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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040604.html
The lamp from the movie still has vanished; however, as photographed it
doesn't match the lamp described by witnesses at the trial--it has no
visible markings at all.
Occasionally you hear about human-skin lampshades in private collections. I
won't claim to have surveyed the field, but I did speak to Norm Sauer, a
professor of forensic anthropology at Michigan State University. Professor
Sauer was part of a team of experts that a few years ago examined a number
of alleged human souvenirs that had been donated to the Holocaust Memorial
Center, now located in Farmington Hills, MI. Among the items were a
lampshade (and it really was a lampshade, consisting of panels on a wire
frame), two chess sets, and a bar of soap, along with some collections of
ashes, bone fragments, and so on. Although some of the bone fragments did
appear to be human, most and possibly all of the household objects were not.
The chess sets were made of animal but not human bone; the lampshade
possibly was deer or goat but not human skin.
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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/EasternGermany/Buchenwald/Canteen01.jpg
Door to the basement room where soap was made in Buchenwald
At Buchenwald, soap was made from animal fat, for the use of the camp
inmates, in the basement of the Canteen. The door into the room where the
soap was made is shown in the photo above.
At the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945, the Soviet
Union charged that the Nazis had made soap from human fat. Soap that was
allegedly made from human fat was displayed in the court room, but no
forensic report on the soap was presented.
RJ11
[Page 123]
COPY OF DOCUMENT 3423-PS
SEVENTH MEDICAL LABORATORY
APO 403, c/o PM, NEW YORK, N.Y.
Section of Pathology
25 May 1945
SUBJECT: Identification of Tattooed Skin Hides
TO: COMMANDING GENERAL, Third U.S. Army)
(ATTN: JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL)
1. There were submitted to this laboratory section for
examination three tanned pieces of skin by Lt. Col. Givin
from Buchenwald Camp with office record designation of Case
81 T.J.A.
[Page 124]
2. The description follows:
GROSS: Specimen consists of three pieces of skin labeled A.B.C.
PIECE A: Measures 13x13cm., is transparent and
shows a woman's head in the center and a sailor
with an anchor near the margin.
PIECE B: Measures 14x13cm., is transparent and is
a tattoo of several anchors resting on an
indefinite black mass. To the right of this mass
is a man's head.
PIECE C: Is truncated, measures 44cm. At the
base. The upper portion is 30 cm. Long and the
sides measure 46 cm. The skin is transparent and
shows two nipples in the upper area. These are 16
cm. Apart. From the nipple level to the umbilicus
is 23 « cm. A large bird, with a wingspread
measuring 28 cm., is present in the center of the
skin, upper part. A black dragon, with fire
coming from the mouth, measures 28 cm. in length
and is present in the center of the skin. To the
left of the dragon is a man in a coat of mail,
with a sword being apparently stuck in the dragon.
Man is approximately 22 cm. in length.
MICROSCOPIC: The tissue consists of bundles of
collagen showing occasional epithelial and sweat
gland remnants. Granular black pigment granules
are seen between some of the bundles.
3. Based on the findings in paragraph 2, all three
specimens are tattooed human skin.
For the Commanding Officer,
[signed] REUBEN CARES
Ruben Cares
Major M.C., Chief of pathology
</quote>
RJ.
Doomdsay Cultist
>
> 3. Based on the findings in paragraph 2, all three
> specimens are tattooed human skin.
>
That's not a human skin lampshade. Every university medical school has
lots of things like that in glass jars. For instance, Harvard has
shrunken heads
and other specimens.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch.html
The Jewish religion frowns upon tattoos and a Jew who is tattooed
cannot be buried in consecrated ground, so it would have been unusual
for a Jewish prisoner at Buchenwald to have had a tattoo. It was
pointed out by defense counsel that Dr. Wagner was doing a study of
tattoos and criminal behavior at Buchenwald. Tattooed skin had been
removed from dead criminals and preserved at the pathology department
where autopsies were done.
RJ11
Doomdsay Cultist <bardi...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> On Dec 15, 5:52 pm, RJ11 <r...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> 3. Based on the findings in paragraph 2, all three
>> specimens are tattooed human skin.
> That's not a human skin lampshade. Every university medical
> school has lots of things like that in glass jars.
1. Just how many university medical schools store pieces
of tattooed human skin?
2. Why would such items be kept in a concentration camp?
Did they have a medical school there?
RJ.
Kenneth McVay OBC
Doomsday Cultist <bardi...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
>American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades were
>really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by General
>Clay years later:
You're not very good at this, are you?
http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/clay-koch-01.html
Archive/File: imt/nca/nca-06/nca-06-3423-ps
Last-Modified: 1997/01/03
3. Based on the findings in paragraph 2, all three
specimens are tattooed human skin.
For the Commanding Officer,
[signed] REUBEN CARES
Ruben Cares
Major M.C., Chief of pathology
--
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http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.02
princeandy
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As Faurisson ended up being prosecuted for having the wrong opinion on
Auswichtwitz, I am sure Professor Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of
Torun in Poland knows what he needs to say and not say.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p-3_Rudolf.html
And we are talking about 20000 to 30000 here, not inconsiderable nor
something one should push aside. However your cover up and attempts to
extend the number of victims has demeaned the fate and cruelty to the
victims, the debate about a very sad and tragic matter.
So again we have fake evidence manufactured by or authenicated genuine
evidence by a jewish person?
THE PROBLEM BEING THAT THE ONLY WILD AND WEIRD ACCOUNTS OF UNTRAMMELLED
HORROR CAME FROM ONLY JEWS.
NON JEWS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED THE WILD STORIES FROM THE CONTRACTING
MUSCLES TO THE SOAP AND TATTOOED LAMPSHADES, ALL BS. AND THERE WERE AN
EXAMINABLE AND AUTHENTICABLE 5 MILLION NON JEWISH PRISONERS.
Rassinier being one of the few to publish his story he was so incensed by
the jewish BS. Took him 2 years to overcome jewish legal obstacles to
finally publish.
"Another Frenchman, Paul Rassinier, a pre-war communist and later a
socialist, had been a member of the French Resistance. He was arrested and
interned in concentration camps, among them Buchenwald. In 1948 he published
a book Crossing the Line, in which he argued that people might have been
killed in concentration camps, but that the perpetrators had acted on their
own, not on orders from headquarters.
Rassinier seems to wrap it up.
http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking1-0.html
During World WarII, Rassinier was a highly decorated member of the French
Resistance. In October of 1943 he was arrested by the Gestapo for various
activities including the smuggling of Jewish refugees over the Franco-Swiss
border. http://www.codoh.com/thoughtcrimes/PORT1RAS.HTML
WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
> > Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,
> > imprisoned or both for discussing the topics set
> > forth in this article.
The same persons trying to hold up the holocaust fiction with laws of
imprisonment if evidence erxamined
Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust
NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD
For locating JUST ONE of the alleged "HUGE MASS GRAVES" of Treblinka
NAFCASH TM presents
THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM
You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave's EXACT location,
its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density.
The cremated remains must total AT LEAST one percent of the alleged mass
murder.
JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!
Read the Red Cross reports. Go to the Red Cross museum, headquarters
in your city and pick up the records. Anyway theres a few independent
witnesses.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Numbe
r=293321480
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=2735
http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm
No Evidence Of Genocide
BODY DISPOSAL AUS -
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
http://666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.html
I, Raquel Baranow am a Grad Student of Holocaust Denial. There are persons
with PhD's in various fields who
also deny the 6 million canard. The best evidence is forensic. Until
recently, there was never a forensic
examination of the alleged murder weapon (gas chambers). Demographic figures
are incomplete. After the fall
of East Europe to communism, many of the millions of Jews who fled Poland
into the Soviet Union or ended up
behind the Iron Curtain changed their names to assimilate, many civilians
died in the war, many died in the
concentration camps of louse-born typhus. During World War One, two million
civilians in the Soviet Union died
of typhus. Many died in Stalin's gulags.
Yad Vashem,( http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome)a Holocaust
Documentation Center in Israel has a database of 3,000,000 alleged victims
of Nazi
extermination. But as you can see HERE
(http://666ismoney.com/YadVashem.html) (my maiden name, Friedemann), nearly
every name is listed at least
twice, some as many as five times!
http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/IY_HON_Welcome
Yad Vashem's 3,000,000 "Holocaust victims" database lists nearly
everyone twice. Some as many at five times. Anyone, including
you can submit a "Page of Testimony".
And of course we have lists duplicated, unconfirmed, but 3m according to our
usual jewish/Zionist sources.
Put your name in, you might be missing out on reparations.
Has been improvements since this, numbers still very dicey.
Name Town District Region
Country Bday Source
Friedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany
1879 list of victims from Germany
Friedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany
1879 list of deportation from Berlin
Friedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany
1905 list of deportation from Berlin
It is forensically impractical or impossible to exterminate millions with
louse disinfestant (hydrogen cyanide gas)
or diesel exhaust as alleged by malicious "witnesses" or tortured
confessors. There are no written orders for
extermination. Aerial reconnaissance photographs of the concentration camps
show no smoke and flames
belching from the crematoria and pyres as alleged. The photos and records
show there was not enough coke or
crematoria to cremate millions of corpses. The "witnesses" and confessors
lied about how many minutes it takes
to cremate a corpse. Diesel exhaust does not contain significant amount of
carbon monoxide to kill a human. If
the Nazis wanted to kill millions they could have driven the coal fired
train into a tunnel or quonset hut and gassed
'em with the exhaust from the locomotive or used the exhaust from the
crematoria. At Auschwitz, during a typhus
epidemic, up to 300 people died per day, hence the crematoria, shaving of
heads and requisitions for tons of
Zyklon B louse disinfestant. HCN is a very dangerous, impractical, messy
method for extermination.
http://www.vho.org/
The Holocaust Controversy A Case for open Debate
The Gas Chambers are a fraud, a tourist attraction, slander, demonizing,
impractical/impossible, malicious
atrocity propaganda spread by the communists, who hated Hitler and
perpetrated by Jews, who were always
looking for ways to get to the lands of milk and money. The Jews have
extorted billions from the US Treasury,
Germany, Swiss banks and insurance companies on account of the Holohoax
fraud. The Holohoax also makes
those who fought Hitler feel like they did something good fighting the
demon, Hitler instead of letting Hitler take
on Stalin alone.
A "liberal" person has an open mind. A bigot is irrational and obstinate.
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:09:27 -0700, Protagonist <sza...@comcast.net wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:40:43 -0700, Protagonist <sza...@comcast.net
wrote:
Summary
The Auschwitz extermination story originated as wartime propaganda. Now,
more than 40 years after the end of the Second World War, it is time to
take
another, more objective look at this highly polemicized chapter of
history.
The Auschwitz legend is the core of the Holocaust story. If hundreds of
thousands of Jews were not systematically killed there, as alleged, one
of
the great myths of our time collapses.
Artificially maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents
genuine reconciliation and lasting peace. Revisionism promotes
historical
awareness and international understanding. That is why the work of the
Institute for Historical Review is so important and deserves your
support.
Before 1937, there was a European Jewish population of 15million+
people in 14 different countries.
You are very confused! Europe never had 15 million Jews, under the Third
Reich only lass than 5 million. Before WW2 world Jew population was
around 15 million.
Get your fact straight first.
Old Almanacs Never Lie!
They just get a new Peterbuilt
584,549 MORE jews in 1949 than in 1940
Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 -- 11,600,000
World Almanac, 1925, pg. 752 -- 15,630,000, "In 1925 a census of
Palestine gave a total of 115,151 Jews"
World Almanac, 1929, pg. 727 -- 15,630,000
National Council of Churches 1930 -- 15,600 ,000
March 24, 1933, jewish newspaper Daily Express -- 14,000,000 jews worldwide
World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 -- 15,316,359, ["The estimate for Jews in
the above table is for 1933, and is by the American Jewish Committee"
World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 -- world jewish population = 15,753,633
World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 -- world jewish population = 15,748,091,
with 240,000 in Germany
American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 --
15,600,000
World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population -- 15,319,359
World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population -- 15,748,091
World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population -- 15,192,089
("Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion")
World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000
World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population -- 15,713,638
Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 -- 15,300,000
Encyclopedia Britannica's 1955 Book of the Year -- 11,627,450, "Jewish
figures include all Jews whether members of a synagogue or not"
World Almanac, US News & World Report, 1983 population of jews --
16,820,850
World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population -- 14,117,000
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: World Jewish Population --18,080,000
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: World Jewish Population -- 13,200,000
Nazis Evacuate Two Million jews from German Held Territory
Total World Population of jews
America Europe Asia Africa
Oceania Total
1938 5,343,319 8,939,608 839,809 598,339 27,016
15,748,091
1948 5,198,219 9,372,666 572,930 542,869 26,954
15,763,638
Diff -145,100 +433,058 -266,879 -55,470 -9,938
+15,547
By 1945...there were less than 1 million in those countries. Few
managed to escape to the USA, England etc.
those 14,000,000 went where exactly?
For 45 years was posted at Auschwitz an excepted figure at Nurenberg
trial of 4 million death. 1990 it was changed to 1.1 million, based on
transportation figures, all most 3 million difference.
But the over all 6 million total Jewish death death has not changed.
What happened to the 3 millions?
Franciszek Piper, director of the historical committee of the
Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum, said yesterday that, according to recent
research, at least 1.3 million people were deported to the camp, of whom
about 223,000 survived.
The 1.1 million victims included 960,000 Jews, between 70,000 and 75,000
Poles, nearly all of the 23,000 Gypsies sent to the camp and 15,000
Soviet prisoners of war.<<
Official Auschwitz figures!
http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/history/auschwitz-figures.htm
Some indeed died by disease, old age and accidents of war.
Most did at the end of war, thanks to the Allie efficient bombing of
railroad transportation.
But at
least half..at the least, died by the hands of the Turd Reich.
Not true! Jews were put to labor camps, for security reason and later to
move them to Palestine or Madagascar.
Same reason as the US forced some 150,000 Jap-Americans and Germans into
camps.
One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it
clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in
the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic
condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the
war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed
an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the
German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ...
In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and
General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results.
Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate
was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).
Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire
situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit
in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied
bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned
Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous
aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October
2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending
collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that
starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming
inevitable.
The Israel Lobby John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
http://www.tidsskriftcentret.dk/index.php?id=498
Wakeup America. The media is driving us headlong into war based on lies
and misconceptions.
Iran has the largest jewish population of any muslim country. Iran also has
four Jewish members of Parliament who are appointed by the Jewish
community! Iranian jews are deeply opposed to the Zionist state!
The Jewish ghetto police always had the option, she said, of "throwing off
their uniforms and joining the rest of us" - a point that Yitzak Zuckerman,
a leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, made in his memoir.
http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=2139
http://www.theexperiment.org/?cat=1
Without Jewish co operation through the zionists the Germans would never
have had the resources to herd the Jews into the various camps. And the
zionists made it impossible for the underground to trust the jews.
Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
even know their whereabouts.
http://www.geocities.com/chabaan_2000/safad.HTM
Is The same authors also describe co-operation between Zionist leaders and
Eichmann. It is interesting to note that the extreme right-wing revisionists
only chose wealthy Jews for emigration, whereas other Zionists insisted on
taking only young and healthy Jews. Eichmann helped them to carry out these
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
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Dr. Noah
Yes, they had a reseach centre there and were looking to find a cure for
jewish genetic disorders such as congenital idiocy and anti social and
criminal proclivities.
>
>
> RJ.
Doomdsay Cultist
> 2. Why would such items be kept in a concentration camp?
> Did they have a medical school there?
>
> RJ.
Here's some info about the pieces of tattooed skin:
Professor David A. Hackett has in his possession a 50-page
dissertation on the subject of how criminality relates to tattoos. It
was written by a German student on the Buchenwald camp premises,
likely just before the war started.
Photo of the dissertation on a table with the pieces of tattooed skin:
http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/nazishrunkenheads/this_is_dissertation.jpg
.... Professor David A. Hackett, the translator of Albert G.
Rosenberg's "The Buchenwald Report" told me that amongst all the
papers that Rosenberg gave him around 40 to 50 years after the war,
was this dissertation. Apparently a student was studying a perceived
connection between criminality and tattoos. (Common criminals were
part of the inmate population at Buchenwald.) Hackett told me that
he'd read the dissertation and it was of really poor-quality
scholarship, which elicited a stupid "har har" chuckle from both of
us.
Only later did I realize that the dissertation is a piece of withheld
evidence. Ilse Koch's lawyers would have liked to have known about it.
Afte rall, it could have helped exonerate Koch from the incredibly
cruel charges that she made lampshades out of human skin. Her lawyers
could have offered an alternate explanation, using the dissertation to
bolster the notion that tattooed skin was at the camp because a
student had been studying the skin. Similarly, the Nuremberg
defendants' lawyers would have also wanted to see it, since they could
have used it to offer an explanation as to why tattooed skin was found
at Buchenwald. I'll even make the prediction that the footage of this
table shown at Nuremberg was edited so that the right-side of the
table where the dissertaton was, was edited out. That way no defendant
lawyer could notice it in the footage.
Then there's the Germans' lawyers at the trial of the Buchenwald
guards where 11 were executed and 9 got life sentences. Those lawyers
would have also liked to have seen it. As mentioned, perhaps the PhD
student borrowed dried tattoo specimens from an anatomical museum and
took the tattoos with him to the camp to study them. Or perhaps when
prisoners died a natural death at Buchenwald, tattoos were removed for
studying. It all seems more plausible than the lampshade story doesn't
it? Particularly when you add this to the fact that the camp was
liberated in April 1945, but Ilse Koch hadn't been at the camp since
1943.
Joe Smokey Firestone
President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
holocaust and the gas Chambers. He was very close to the war, he was the
allied commander who was informed about all the intelligence traffic that
reached his desk. Why President Truman never mentioned anything about the
gas chambers since he was the sitting president and vice president during
the entire war. In Truman Memoir, he was very angry at the creation of the
Jewish state. He felt it will be the disaster the will seal the American
Foreign policy around the world. the Jews must survive on their own, we
can't remain silent to the forgeries and lies they presented us for the past
60 years.
Joe Smokey Firestone
"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message ter that yet to
news:13m8nve...@corp.supernews.com...
ElParedon
> In article <13m8mcf...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Doomsday Cultist <bardi...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
>>American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades were
>>really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by General
>>Clay years later:
>
> You're not very good at this, are you?
AND YOU ARE! YOU FUCKING LIAR HAVE BEEN A PAID LIAR FOR ZIONAZIS LONG ENOUGH
ElParedon
"Joe Smokey Firestone" <joefir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kt09j.3820$JW4.570@trnddc05...
> Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
> President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
> holocaust and the gas Chambers. He was very close to the war, he was the
> allied commander who was informed about all the intelligence traffic that
> reached his desk. Why President Truman never mentioned anything about the
> gas chambers since he was the sitting president and vice president during
> the entire war. In Truman Memoir, he was very angry at the creation of the
> Jewish state. He felt it will be the disaster the will seal the American
> Foreign policy around the world. the Jews must survive on their own, we
> can't remain silent to the forgeries and lies they presented us for the
> past 60 years.
>
> Joe Smokey Firestone
Not even Churchill once mentioned this. However, if it did happen, surely
Jews were not the major victims, since there were less than3 million of
them available to Hitler to kill, and in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed
reparations from Germany. Go figure!
It's all a bit strange
news:13m8mcf...@corp.supernews.com:
> At Buchenwald, soap was made from animal fat, for the use
> of the camp inmates, in the basement of the Canteen. The
> door into the room where the soap was made is shown in the
> photo above.
Where did this animal fat come from? How much soap was made?
Are there any bars of this soap in existence? Considering the
process for making soap, it seems ludicrous that anyone,
including those rational nazis, would allow it to be made in
the basement of a food facility.
--
Like Minded Mates
Reading from Mein Kampf
Snuggling by the fire
He shares his deepest thoughts
Holding him close
My Aryan warrior
A warm bath
Then the lights go out
Ben Cramer
Copyright ©2007 Ben Cramer
Kenneth McVay OBC
ElParedon <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
[...]
>
>Not even Churchill once mentioned this. However, if it did happen, surely
>Jews were not the major victims, since there were less than3 million of
>them available to Hitler to kill, and in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed
>reparations from Germany. Go figure!
Alex Seredin, the hatemonger of Delray Beach, is lying again.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/places/germany/wannsee/wannsee-english.html
Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European
Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries:
Country Number
A. Germany proper 131,800
Austria 43,700
Eastern territories 420,000
General Government 2,284,000
Bialystok 400,000
Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia 74,200
Estonia - free of Jews -
Latvia 3,500
Lithuania 34,000
Belgium 43,000
Denmark 5,600
France / occupied territory 165,000
unoccupied territory 700,000
Greece 69,600
Netherlands 160,800
Norway 1,300
B. Bulgaria 48,000
England 330,000
Finland 2,300
Ireland 4,000
Italy including Sardinia 58,000
Albania 200
Croatia 40,000
Portugal 3,000
Rumania including Bessarabia 342,000
Sweden 8,000
Switzerland 18,000
Serbia 10,000
Slovakia 88,000
Spain 6,000
Turkey (European portion) 55,500
Hungary 742,800
USSR 5,000,000
Ukraine 2,994,684
White Russia
excluding Bialystok 446,484
Total over 11,000,000
--
"Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust
Fairydale book I will not your naivety holding against
you." (K. Knoll, Leading Revisionist Scholar)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
RJ11
Doomdsay Cultist <bardi...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>> 2. Why would such items be kept in a concentration camp?
>> Did they have a medical school there?
> Here's some info about the pieces of tattooed skin:
> Professor David A. Hackett has in his possession a 50-page
> dissertation on the subject of how criminality relates to tattoos. It
> was written by a German student on the Buchenwald camp premises,
> likely just before the war started.
Is this what you're talking about?
"Dr. Wagner wrote a doctoral dissertation on tattooing, had
the entire camp searched for people with tattoos, and had them
photographed. The prisoners were later called to the gate by
Commandant Koch, selected according to the splendor of their
tattooed skin, and sent into the infirmary. Soon thereafter the
best examples of skin appeared in the pathology department, where
they were prepared and were shown to SS visitors as special treasures
for years. Koch had an 'artistic' table lamp made for himself out of
human bones stretched over with human skin. Hundreds of prepared
human skins were sent to Berlin on orders of the chief doctor for
the concentration camps, SS Colonel Dr. Lolling".
RJ.
A.M.Pfündl
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:wD_8j.2915$hQ3.798@pd7urf3no...
> For you to succeed you must cheat and lie.
> Kurt Knoll.
Arsch mit Ohren und Kretin Kurt Knoll
http://www.kirsch-illustration.de/assets/images/Wasserkopf.jpg
Kurt Knoll
kk
"A.M.Pfündl" <a.pf...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:fk33dv$uio$03$1...@news.t-online.com...
Michael Ejercito
> "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in messagenews:13m8nve...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > Doomsday Cultist <bardic26...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
> >>American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades were
> >>really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by General
> >>Clay years later:
>
> > You're not very good at this, are you?
>
> AND YOU ARE! YOU FUCKING LIAR HAVE BEEN A PAID LIAR FOR ZIONAZIS LONG ENOUGH
You shill for David Duke as surely as Michael Moore shills for
Osama bin Laden.
Michael
Michael Ejercito
> "Joe Smokey Firestone" <joefirest...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:kt09j.3820$JW4.570@trnddc05...
>
> > Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
> > President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
> > holocaust and the gas Chambers. He was very close to the war, he was the
> > allied commander who was informed about all the intelligence traffic that
> > reached his desk. Why President Truman never mentioned anything about the
> > gas chambers since he was the sitting president and vice president during
> > the entire war. In Truman Memoir, he was very angry at the creation of the
> > Jewish state. He felt it will be the disaster the will seal the American
> > Foreign policy around the world. the Jews must survive on their own, we
> > can't remain silent to the forgeries and lies they presented us for the
> > past 60 years.
>
> > Joe Smokey Firestone
>
> Not even Churchill once mentioned this. However, if it did happen, surely
> Jews were not the major victims, since there were less than3 million of
> them available to Hitler to kill, and in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed
> reparations from Germany. Go figure!
>
Europe.
Are you implying that they could not do math?
Michael
ElParedon
> In article <sH19j.16331$k27....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
> ElParedon <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>
>>Not even Churchill once mentioned this. However, if it did happen, surely
>>Jews were not the major victims, since there were less than3 million of
>>them available to Hitler to kill, and in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed
>>reparations from Germany. Go figure!
Above is a well known fact which can easily be confirmed by the perusal of
the World Almanach and other official census records
ElParedon
"It's all a bit strange" <strangeth...@turkeygoy.com> wrote in
message news:Xns9A07D0D2EE036...@85.214.90.236...
> "Doomsday Cultist" <bardi...@mypacks.net> wrote in
> news:13m8mcf...@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> At Buchenwald, soap was made from animal fat, for the use
>> of the camp inmates, in the basement of the Canteen. The
>> door into the room where the soap was made is shown in the
>> photo above.
>
> Where did this animal fat come from? How much soap was made?
> Are there any bars of this soap in existence? Considering the
> process for making soap, it seems ludicrous that anyone,
> including those rational nazis, would allow it to be made in
> the basement of a food facility.
Only idiots would believe McVay's ramblins. He is a liar
ElParedon
"RJ11" <rj...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:fk2i89$t7p$1...@pcls6.std.com...
all he was in the service of German Wehrmacht just like tens of thousands of
ather Jews.
Kenneth McVay OBC
Alex Seredin, the hatemonger of Delray Beach, is lying again, to the surprise
of absolutely nobody.
Alex Seredin (aka. Veneceremos, Serwad, Intrepid5, Conquistador, Strider, Rasputin,
Swagman, El Paredon, Saleh El Din, AmigoCabal, et. al. is a liar and hatemonger
of long standing who resides in Delray Beach, where he is a great embarrassment
to his community.
Alex Seredin (Veneceremos and all his other aliases) is an over-the-hill
Serbian Muslim convert , who has been nominated more than once for Kook of
the Year on Usenet..
THE WIT AND WISDOM OF ALEX SEREDIN; (WARNING: DO NOT READ WHILST DRINKING.)
"Keep it all you want that is the truth. Jews are filthy in personal
hygiene, they are filthy in their habits, and they are filthy in their
manners."
"TO ME THEY LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE NAZIS ;LOOKED, EXCEPT THAT THE NAZIS
WERE MORE CIVILIZED AND HELL OF A LOT CLEANER THAN THE JEWS ARE".
"THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER INFORMED THAN YOU ABOUT THE HOLOCAUSTS OF
ALL KINDS."
"Mossad created Hamas, Hamas created Hezbollah. Saddam is a Mossad
employee, and so is George Bush!"
"Osama is Great"
"Osama is a Mosad agent"
"Osama died in 2004"
"Saddam is great," and... "Saddam is a Jew, " and "Saddam is a butcher,"
and... "Saddam is a hero of Israel. He has never ever done anything to harm
Jews! He started two wars on behalf and behest of Jews!"
"The Holocaust never happened"
"You are an arsehole! Dr. Shahak is a jew, a real Holocaust survivor"
"60 million Russians died in German concentration camps."
JEWS MURDERED 100 MILLION RUSSIANS, BAYONETTED THE WHOLE CZAR'S FAMILY, AND
DESTROYED RUSSIA! MAY THEY ROT IN HELL
"Jews killed JFK because he would not allow them to have nukes!"
"Israel was behind the Sept. 11 attacks"
"Is that why several hundred (Muslims) of the died anyway (in the WTC)?
"Israel set off a nuke in Bali"
"Jews killed 19 members of my family in Russia"
"JEWS SLAUGHTERED MORE PEOPLE IN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE IN THE PAST 88 YEARS
THAN ALL THE WARS FOUGHT IN THE PAST 100 YEARS."
"Jews killed 19 members of my family in the Ukraine"
"Russians are expendable!"
"Jews killed 50 members of my family in Germany"
"Jews have killed 10 million Palestinians "
"Jews killed 100 million in Russia"
"Jews put James Traficant in jail for standing up to them."
"JEWS KILLED LITVENENKO USING THE SAME HEAVY METAL POISON THEY USED AGAINST
ARAFAT!"
"THERE ARE ABOUT 700,000 SLAVES IN ISRAEL"
"You are too stupid to understand that millions of people during WWII
comitted suicide out of desperation and fear!"
"There are 700,000 Thai slaves in Israel."
"Every single day Jews kill at least half a dozen Palestinians, mostly
children."
"BEHEADING ARE EXECUTIONS WHICH WERE USED TEN TIMES MORE OFTEN IN EUROPE
THAN IN MIDDLE EAST, SND SRE STILL VBEING USED IN SOME PLACES .HITLER WAS
NOT NEARLY AS BRUTAL AS YOU FUCKING ZIONIST GARBAGE!"
"I was in WWI," and... "I was in the Boer War in South Africa," and...
"I was a partisan who fought bravely in in WW2" (when he was 9), and...
"I was in WWII," and... "I was in the Australian RAAF, " and...
"I was in Viet Nam, " and... "I am part Masai," and...
"I'm a Serbian," and... "I am not a Serb, I have never had any connection to Serbia".
Alex Seredin wrote: (1995)
"I have a name, my name is Alex Seredin. I live in Ottawa, Canada. I am
65 years old, and have lived through the WWII in Belgrade. You do not want to
provide me with your name because you are coward and a skunk, because you
hide behind anonymity to slander someone."
"I was educated in Prva Muska Gimnazija in Belgrade, moron! And
studied Serbian history in detail. I also visited the Slavija hill
with the person whom Serbia respects Nikola Pasic!" - Nikola Pasic
died in 1926, which would mean Alex is 100 years old.
"I am not slandering Serbian nation, I was born a Serb," and...
"I'm Canadian," and... "I'm Australian," and... "I am also an
Ozzy and a Kiwi as well!" and... "I'm an American" and "I'm a
direct descendant of Tamerlame" and... "I'm a direct descendant of
Kublai Khan" and... "I like Jews" and... "ANY KILLING IS NOT A
JOKE EXCEPT FOR A JEW!" and...
"On April 20th we celebrate the birth of the greatest man of all
time: Adolf Hitler." and... "Human? jews are not humans!"
"99% of the Jews are Russian ex-communist trash. They must be
deported"
"Jews came to America as slave traders and slave keepers."
"ISRAEL NEVER REPAID A SINGLE CENT OF ANY LOAN TO UNITED STATES FORTHE PAST
30 YEARS!"
"ACTUALLY SEVERAL AUSCHWITZES EXIST IN ISRAEL, ONLY THEY ARE FAR MORE BRUTAL
THAN THE ORIGINAL AUSCHWITZ EVER WAS!"
"The sole supplier of arms to Palestinians are the jews."
"NO JEWS WILL BE ELECTED IN 2004!!"
"THE ONLY TERRORISTS IN PALESTINE ARE ISRAELIS!"
"Adolf Hitler sent Eichman to Palestine, to encourage the
establishment of Israel."
"Arafat and his government have been adamant in opposing all forms of
violence!"
"After the bible, Mein Kampf was the biggest seller in U.S."
"Only one Jew died in the WTC attacks!!!"
"Anthrax cover up! (Jews did it)"
"Mossad Bombs Paradise Hotel in Mombasa"
"The US is commiting war crimes in Iraq!!!!!"
"I do have a Talmud written in the original Yiddish 19th century!"
"There is secret version of the Talmud, made in a place called Cracow,
that is for Jews only. When you call Amazon.com and try to order a
Talmud, they will ask you if you are Jewish. If you aren't they won't
send it. If you say you are, they still won't send it. I was taught
about it by a rabbi, who did so after all the Jews left."
" Jews do not write anything. They do not know anything. They are the
stupidest low life on Earth. All they do is sling two word insults at those
who despise them!"
"Albert Einstein was a genius and a thief at the same time. he was
married to Mileva Maric, a Serb, who was far greater
physicist than he ever was"
" I fought bravely and heroically in every war from WW2 to Viet Nam you
f*****g coward.I was a partisan in Serbia in 1937"..... (when he was nine
years old)
"I was there shithead, and knew dozens of Hungarian jews who
told me about the sellout. Hungarian jews are the only ones who had
Hungarian names. Arsehole Lantos, is one of the ZioNazis who survived!
We muslims not only have a code of morality, we have established
code of morality for the rest of the world!
But the best I saved for last:
"Every single word I have ever said was the truth!"
Enjoy!!
(Thanks, Tilly.)
--
"In the final analysis, one does not refute a closed system, a total
lie that is not refutable to the extent that its conclusions has
preceded any evidence." (Vidal-Naquet, Pierre. Assassins of Memory,
New York: Columbia University Press. p.81)
Kenneth McVay OBC
Alex Seredin (aka. Veneceremos, Serwad, Intrepid5, Conquistador, Strider, Rasputin,
"Osama is Great"
"Osama died in 2004"
"The Holocaust never happened"
"Russians are expendable!"
Alex Seredin wrote: (1995)
Enjoy!!
(Thanks, Tilly.)
--
"Grow up you ignorant kike vermin." (Scott Bradbury,
Bellville, Texas' Leading Revisionist Scholar)
Snow
"Joe Smokey Firestone" <joefir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kt09j.3820$JW4.570@trnddc05...
> Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
> President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
> holocaust and the gas Chambers. He was very close to the war, he was the
> allied commander who was informed about all the intelligence traffic that
> reached his desk. Why President Truman never mentioned anything about the
> gas chambers since he was the sitting president and vice president during
> the entire war. In Truman Memoir, he was very angry at the creation of the
> Jewish state. He felt it will be the disaster the will seal the American
> Foreign policy around the world. the Jews must survive on their own, we
> can't remain silent to the forgeries and lies they presented us for the
> past 60 years.
>
> Joe Smokey Firestone
Looks like Mr. McVay doesn't have answers for your question but yet found
time to reply to ElPadron. Perhaps Mr. McVay is having difficult time doing
the Google research because I doubt he ever visited a library or read a book
even, although you never know, perhaps he is one well read gas attendant.
Doomdsay Cultist
Lampshade a WWII mystery
By Claudia Pinto / Daily Progress staff writer
July 28, 2004
"Tales of such ghastly shades have circulated for decades. They
stemmed, in part, from considerable newspaper coverage after WWII
about human lampshades made at Buchenwald concentration camp.
But Diane Saltzman, director of the collections division of the
Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., is highly skeptical
that the shade is human skin. Despite the reports, not one has been
found.
"None of the lampshades that have surfaced over the past 50 years have
ever turned out to be real," Saltzman said. "There is no proof that
this practice has ever occurred."
Doomdsay Cultist
There was a factory in Buchenwald where lamp shades were made out of
animal skins.
http://www.valleyviewrv.com/tour_main.htm
The cabin was built by a very talented German immigrant in the
thirties and everything in the cabin is hand made even down to the
lamp shades which are made from animal skins.
http://www.missiondelrey.com/whse.html
Rawhide Lamp Shades
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the unique character of the skin.
B'injamin Cr'amer
> In article <Fcj9j.24648$_m.4...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> ElParedon <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
>>news:13m9gcb...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article <sH19j.16331$k27....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>>> ElParedon <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not even Churchill once mentioned this. However, if it did happen,
>>>>surely
>>>>Jews were not the major victims, since there were less than3 million of
>>>>them available to Hitler to kill, and in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed
>>>>reparations from Germany. Go figure!
>>
>>Above is a well known fact which can easily be confirmed by the perusal of
>>the World Almanach and other official census records
>
> Alex Seredin, the hatemonger of Delray Beach, is lying again, to the
> surprise
> of absolutely nobody.
Poor old faggot mcFey. When the questions become difficult to answer, he has
to respond to killing the messenger.
You're a joke, mcFey. A complete and utter tooler.
B'injamin Cr'amer
"Snow" <snow...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUl9j.80500$Um6....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>
>
> "Joe Smokey Firestone" <joefir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kt09j.3820$JW4.570@trnddc05...
>> Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
>> President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
>> holocaust and the gas Chambers. He was very close to the war, he was the
>> allied commander who was informed about all the intelligence traffic that
>> reached his desk. Why President Truman never mentioned anything about the
>> gas chambers since he was the sitting president and vice president during
>> the entire war. In Truman Memoir, he was very angry at the creation of
>> the Jewish state. He felt it will be the disaster the will seal the
>> American Foreign policy around the world. the Jews must survive on their
>> own, we can't remain silent to the forgeries and lies they presented us
>> for the past 60 years.
>>
>> Joe Smokey Firestone
>
>
> Looks like Mr. McVay doesn't have answers for your question but yet found
> time to reply to ElPadron. Perhaps Mr. McVay is having difficult time
> doing the Google research because I doubt he ever visited a library or
> read a book even, although you never know, perhaps he is one well read gas
> attendant.
McFey will be back with an attack on Joe exactly because he has no answer to
the difficult questions.
His usual MO is to attack the messenger in these cases.
It's a complete and utter toss.
daemo...@luckymail.com
wrote:
Hollywood script. More shekels to be made for Israel, by spinning the
soap and lampshade yarn.
> According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
> American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades were
> really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by General
> Clay years later:
>
> "There was absolutely no evidence in the trial transcript, other than she
> was a rather loathsome creature, that would support the death sentence. I
> suppose I received more abuse for that than for anything else I did in
> Germany. Some reporter had called her the "Bitch of Buchenwald," had written
> that she had lamp shades made of human skin in
> her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven
> that the lamp shades were made out of goat skin."
>
> According to the Buchenwald Report, there was a factory at Buchenwald, which
> produced leather goods out of animal skins, but it caught on fire during an
> Allied bombing raid on the camp on August 24, 1944.
>
> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch4....
>
> "A display table was set up and a film, directed by Billy Wilder, was made
> to document the atrocities in the camp."
>
> Billy Wilder (June 22, 1906 - March 27, 2002) was an Austrian-born,
> Jewish-American journalist, screenwriter, film director, and producer whose
> career spanned more than 50 years and 60 films. He is regarded as one of the
> most brilliant and versatile filmmakers of Hollywood's golden age.
>
> Under cross-examination, Dr. Sitte was forced to admit that he had never
> seen any of the lampshades allegedly made of human skin and that he had no
> personal knowledge of any prisoner who had been reported by Frau Koch and
> was then killed so that his tattooed skin could be made into a lampshade. He
> also admitted that the lampshade that was on the display table in the film
> was not the lampshade made from human skin that was allegedly delivered to
> Frau Koch. Apparently the most important piece of evidence, the lampshade
> made from human skin, was nowhere in sight during the trial.
>
> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch.html
>
> The Trial of Ilse Koch
>
> Frau Koch had been previously investigated for 8 months by Dr. Georg Konrad
> Morgen, an SS officer who had been assigned in 1943 to look into accusations
> of corruption and murder in the Buchenwald camp. She had already been put on
> trial in December 1943 in a special Nazi Court where Konrad Morgan was the
> judge. The rumor, circulated by the inmates at Buchenwald, that lamp shades
> had been made out of human skin, was thoroughly investigated, but no
> evidence was found and this charge against Frau Koch had been dismissed by
> Morgen.
>
> Even though Ilse Koch had been acquitted in Morgen's court, the former
> inmates at Buchenwald were convinced that she had ordered prisoners to be
> killed, so that their tattooed skin could be made into lamp shades. When the
> American liberators arrived, they were told about the gory accessories in
> Frau Koch's home. A display table was set up and a film, directed by Billy
> Wilder, was made to document the atrocities in the camp.
>
> The story of the making of human lampshades at Buchenwald received a great
> deal of attention by the American press, and in the two years between the
> liberation of the camp and the start of the Buchenwald trial at Dachau,
> there had been considerable coverage in American newspapers. By the time the
> trial got underway, there was not the slightest doubt in the minds of most
> Americans that Ilse Koch was indeed guilty of this despicable crime.
>
> Dr. Sitte, who had a PhD in physics, was one of the star witnesses against
> Ilse Koch. He had been a prisoner at Buchenwald from September 1939 until
> the liberation. He testified that tattooed skin was stripped from the bodies
> of dead prisoners and "was often used to create lampshades, knife cases, and
> similar items for the SS." He told the court that it was "common knowledge"
> that tattooed prisoners were sent to the hospital after Ilse Koch had passed
> by them on work details. According to Joshua M. Greene, author of "Justice
> at Dachau," Dr. Sitte testified that "These prisoners were killed in the
> hospital and the tattooing stripped off." Dr. Sitte's testimony of "common
> knowledge" was just another word for hearsay testimony, which was allowed by
> the American Military Tribunal.
>
> Under cross-examination, Dr. Sitte was forced to admit that he had never
> seen any of the lampshades allegedly made of human skin and that he had no
> personal knowledge of any prisoner who had been reported by Frau Koch and
> was then killed so that his tattooed skin could be made into a lampshade. He
> also admitted that the lampshade that was on the display table in the film
> was not the lampshade made from human skin that was allegedly delivered to
> Frau Koch. Apparently the most important piece of evidence, the lampshade
> made from human skin, was nowhere in sight during the trial.
>
> At least two witnesses testified about a lamp with a shade fashioned out of
> human skin and a base made from a human leg bone, which they claimed had
> been delivered to Frau Koch. One of these witnesses, Kurt Wilhelm Leeser,
> testified that he had previously seen the tattoos on this lamp shade on the
> arms of a fellow prisoner, Josef Collinette, before he died. This lamp was
> not introduced into evidence in the courtroom and there were no witnesses
> from the American military who testified about its existence.
> ------------------
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040604.html
>
> The lamp from the movie still has vanished; however, as photographed it
> doesn't match the lamp described by witnesses at the trial--it has no
> visible markings at all.
>
> Occasionally you hear about human-skin lampshades in private collections. I
> won't claim to have surveyed the field, but I did speak to Norm Sauer, a
> professor of forensic anthropology at Michigan State University. Professor
> Sauer was part of a team of experts that a few years ago examined a number
> of alleged human souvenirs that had been donated to the Holocaust Memorial
> Center, now located in Farmington Hills, MI. Among the items were a
> lampshade (and it really was a lampshade, consisting of panels on a wire
> frame), two chess sets, and a bar of soap, along with some collections of
> ashes, bone fragments, and so on. Although some of the bone fragments did
> appear to be human, most and possibly all of the household objects were not.
> The chess sets were made of animal but not human bone; the lampshade
> possibly was deer or goat but not human skin.
> --------------
>
> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/EasternGermany/Buchenwald/Canteen01.jpg
>
> Door to the basement room where soap was made in Buchenwald
>
> At Buchenwald, soap was made from animal fat, for the use of the camp
> inmates, in the basement of the Canteen. The door into the room where the
> soap was made is shown in the photo above.
>
> At the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945, the Soviet
> Union charged that the Nazis had made soap from human fat. Soap that was
> allegedly made from human fat was displayed in the court room, but no
> forensic report on the soap was presented.
B'injamin Cr'amer
"Michael Ejercito" <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ee780614-033a-4d89...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
So the yids claim, greaser.
>
> Are you implying that they could not do math[sic]?
I know yids have a strange method of using maths. It goes something like
6m - 2.9m = 6m.
A mitzvah already.
The Holocaust - Best thing that ever happened to the Zionazia.
>
>
> Michael
>
RJ11
B'injamin Cr'amer <yidsrb...@mosttimes.yes> wrote:
(some drivel given the snip)
"Had Hitler won the war, the world would be a much better
place." --Posted by "Ben Cramer", Source: Message-ID
<ILudnfQdX6UCtfva...@giganews.com>.
RJ.
Michael Ejercito
wrote:
> "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Are you implying that they could not do math[sic]?
>
> I know yids have a strange method of using maths. It goes something like
> 6m - 2.9m = 6m.
>
There were eleven million Jews in mainland Europe.
Michael
Michael Ejercito
wrote:
> "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in messagenews:13mbg6t...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <Fcj9j.24648$_m.4...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > ElParedon <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >>"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
> >>news:13m9gcb...@corp.supernews.com...
> >>> ElParedon <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >>> [...]
>
> >>>>Not even Churchill once mentioned this. However, if it did happen,
> >>>>surely
> >>>>Jews were not the major victims, since there were less than3 million of
> >>>>them available to Hitler to kill, and in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed
> >>>>reparations from Germany. Go figure!
>
> >>Above is a well known fact which can easily be confirmed by the perusal of
> >>the World Almanach and other official census records
>
> > Alex Seredin, the hatemonger of Delray Beach, is lying again, to the
> > surprise
> > of absolutely nobody.
>
> Poor old faggot mcFey. When the questions become difficult to answer, he has
> to respond to killing the messenger.
>
> You're a joke, mcFey. A complete and utter tooler.
Have you actually read ElParedon's messages? Here is one of his
previous posts.
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>
> On 31-Oct-2005, "z" <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
>
>> They had a piece on them on 20/20 or some such news show a couple of
>> weeks ago. They seem to be getting a lot of press all of a sudden. In
>> one scene, they had made up a Care package for the hurricane victims,
>> and somebody was toting it around looking for a recipient, who had to
>> be white. Nobody would take it, even the white people. Finally some
>> woman summed it up in inimitable southern style: "Screw y'all!".
>
> Their parents, of course, spoon fed them this hate, right down to the name
> they chose - which they did deliberately so people would question the
> Holocaust.
Yeah sure! Hitler killed six million Jews out of less than four
million
that were under his occupation, and 3.25 million kikes claimed
reparations
after the war! Who the fuck believes such nonsense except jews!
BTov
only half in holocaust!
such a genocide already!!
50% efective!!!
b'wahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btov
haifa, israel
NK
you are taking it, please ask your doctor to increase the dose.
drahcir
<joefir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
>President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
>holocaust and the gas Chambers.
Here, fool, try to make a dent in your nauseating ignorance:
http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/holocaust/holocaustpage.html
He was very close to the war, he was the
>allied commander who was informed about all the intelligence traffic that
>reached his desk. Why President Truman never mentioned anything about the
>gas chambers since he was the sitting president and vice president during
>the entire war. In Truman Memoir, he was very angry at the creation of the
>Jewish state. He felt it will be the disaster the will seal the American
>Foreign policy around the world. the Jews must survive on their own, we
>can't remain silent to the forgeries and lies they presented us for the past
>60 years.
>
>Joe Smokey Firestone
>
>
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message ter that yet to
>news:13m8nve...@corp.supernews.com...
>> In article <13m8mcf...@corp.supernews.com>,
>> Doomsday Cultist <bardi...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>>According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
>>>American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades were
>>>really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by General
>>>Clay years later:
>>
Kurt Knoll
something that is part of the holocaust industries. We are talking about two
different horses here.
Kurt Knoll.
"drahcir" <as...@asasgt.com> wrote in message
news:l61gm35g57fscjj1p...@4ax.com...
Kenneth McVay OBC
<joefir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
>President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
>holocaust and the gas Chambers.
Archive/File: holocaust/usa eisenhower.001
Last-Modified: 1994/02/14
http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/dl/holocaust/DDEtoGenMarshall15April45pg1-3.pdf
(Letter to General Marshall, April 15, 1945)
But the most interesting - although horrible - sight that I encountered
during the trip was a visit to a German internment camp near Gotha. The things
I saw beggar description. While I was touring the camp I encountered three men
who had been inmates and by one ruse or another had made their escape. I
interviewed them through an interpreter. The visual evidence and the verbal
testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to
leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty
naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said he
would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliverately, in order to be in
position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future,
there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to "propaganda."
This is what Eisenhower said on pages 408-9 of "Crusade in Europe"
"The same day [April 12, 1945] I saw my first horror camp. It was
near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my
emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable
evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of
decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or
through secondary sources. I am certain, however that I have never
at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock.
"I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my
duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about
these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or
assumption that `the stories of Nazi brutality were just
propaganda.' Some members of the visiting party were unable to
through the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to
Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both
Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly
to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative
groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence
should be immediately placed before the American and British publics
in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt."
And on page 439
"Of all these [Displaced Persons] the Jews were in the most
deplorable condition. For years they had been beaten, starved, and
tortured."
--
"Drop dead you Jew Kike bastard! Take the chalenge you big mouth hook
nose" (Scott Bradbury, Bellville, Texas' Leading Revisionist Scholar)
Kenneth McVay OBC
>He asks why Eisenhower never mention details about the holocaust. You post
>something that is part of the holocaust industries. We are talking about two
>different horses here.
No, Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll, Village Idiot of Kitimat, that is not what was
posted.
http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/holocaust/holocaustpage.html is a link to the United
States Government's Eisenhower Archives and some of the documents therein.
Live with it, moron.
29 Statements Qualifying Kurt Knoll as the Intellectual Giant
of Holocaust Denial:
1. "Go and read what Professor Faurisson has to say about dissecting the
Holocaust. Could it be this was the reason why he was Assassinated
twice." <3c962...@binaries.vphos.net, Mar. 18, 2002>
2. "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail Bu you people
did hang him after that." <XJmWi.167371$th2.47480@pd7urf3no, Nov. 1,
2007>
3. "No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
4. "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
5. "By refinishion you i mean you on their side definetly you
opinons are."
6. "People want to know all the facts whatever they are true
or not."
7. "We all know it but they will have us believe they have
absolutely no influence on governments. Not believing it
would be anti emetic."
8. "Rumours also has it the letter was written on an unknown
typewriter in about 1950 but the letter was send to the state
department about in 1940."
9. "Listen guy. Your holocuast industries is clear. For
another trik and I'll hold my scrotum in my mouth for as
long as it taks."
10. "If the holocaust critics are stupid it is because Jews
are at times outright corrupt. What is it really you do want
them to believe."
11. "Well the con you documents a single that I originated.
Give me the date of the posting and the title."
<QCoYi.187911$th2.45844@pd7urf3no> Nov. 7, 2007
12. "Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust
Fairydale book I will not your naivety holding against you."
13. "I am not stressed out since I can analyze your holohoax
in my urine."
14. "When I wend and stuck my penis in my ear, I know that I am right!"
15. "How do you do fact finding if you do not want to know anything."
<pAnZi.196469$Da.33718@pd7urf1no> Nov. 10, 2007
16. "Looking who things proceed today is no longer what is right
or wrong but one side are you on."
17. "Perhaps if you could tell the truth others would not as all the questions."
<rv3_i.204624$1y4.199670@pd7urf2no>
18. "Hey Tony will there ever be a time when you can reply in
blain English." <rv3_i.204625$1y4.122967@pd7urf2no>, Nov. 12, 2007
19. "No, the holocaust is not about history it is about a Ukrainian Sausage!"
20. "What's now as a cut and con artist you can not supply a honest posting
showing the time and day including the heating of the posting so I can check
it out a Google. <Jzw_i.208780$1y4.3268@pd7urf2no>,
21. "Studying the area is alright me questing therefore is studied by whom."
<KDx%i.4499$fD.2919@pd7urf3no> Nov. 17, 2007
22. "You are calling other that ask questions about the holocaust despicable.
I suggest you take a very good look at yourself. What you have is false bride
and nothing else." <i7a2j.42234$cD.7412@pd7urf2no>, Nov. 25, 2007
23. "No Tony the procedure used by you holohoaxers has always be the same.
And this is search and destruct anyone that is in your hollow way."
<RDG2j.51805$cD.38600@pd7urf2no>, Nov. 26, 2007
24. "Makes on wonder how much basic education and coming sense they have.
Or is their brain attached to a chewing gum."
<rmj4j.82004$cD.9173@pd7urf2no>, Dec. 1, 2007
25. "Nanalize the Word all He facts. A brain will tell you what it means."
<Et%5j.262$jq2.189@pd7urf1no>, Dec. 2007
26. "Oh boy what kind of primitive mentality does he really have.
I sincerely hope his mom and Dad are not proud if it. What the
produced ended up as a vegetable." <LzH5j.688$iU.507@pd7urf2no> Dec. 9, 2007
27. "The coal mine did converted to a brewery. Guess what I was their best
customer making sure now was left half full,"
<0RZ6j.11399$iU.8119@pd7urf2no>,, Dec. 9, 2007
28. In a comment about water, Mr. Knoll said, " am glad you know what HO2 Means.
<fad9j.4587$hQ3.135@pd7urf3no> Dec. 16, 2007. HO2?. He decided to
clarify by adding, "To begin with the H stands for hydrogen."
29. "What is it exactly you are drying to say." <2TA9j.7866$hQ3.5337@pd7urf3no>,
December 17, 2007
--
"Only anti-Christs, babykillers, homose, Pharisees, commies
and other such filth don't like me." (Bellville's Scott
Bradbury, Texas' leading revisionist scholar)
B'injamin Cr'amer
> <joefir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
>>President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
>>holocaust and the gas Chambers.
>
> Here, fool, try to make a dent in your nauseating ignorance:
>
> http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/holocaust/holocaustpage.html
And where amongst that shite is the answer to the question posed, you
functionally illiterate clown?
And since when were you called McVay?
Such a stupid, unintelligent, illiterate fool, you.
fla...@verizon.net
On 17-Dec-2007, daemo...@luckymail.com wrote:
> On Dec 15, 2:47 pm, "Doomsday Cultist" <bardic26...@mypacks.net>
> wrote:
Now that you 2 lying cowardly hatemongers have found each other,
go get yourselves a room & stop bothering decent, honest folk.
Susan
B'injamin Cr'amer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:%b4aj.7467$1X.912@trndny07...
They're only bothering you and a few yids, cohen. You don't qualify as
decent or honest.
Michael Ejercito
wrote:
> "drahcir" <as...@asasgt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:l61gm35g57fscjj1p...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:56:16 GMT, "Joe Smokey Firestone"
> > <joefirest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
> >>President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
> >>holocaust and the gas Chambers.
>
> > Here, fool, try to make a dent in your nauseating ignorance:
>
> >http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/holocaust/holocaustpage.html
>
> And where amongst that shite is the answer to the question posed, you
> functionally illiterate clown?
>
> And since when were you called McVay?
>
> Such a stupid, unintelligent, illiterate fool, you.
Michael
drahcir
wrote:
>He asks why Eisenhower never mention details about the holocaust. You post
>something that is part of the holocaust industries.
LOL!
drahcir
<yidsrb...@mosttimes.yes> wrote:
>
>"drahcir" <as...@asasgt.com> wrote in message
>news:l61gm35g57fscjj1p...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:56:16 GMT, "Joe Smokey Firestone"
>> <joefir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
>>>President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
>>>holocaust and the gas Chambers.
>>
>> Here, fool, try to make a dent in your nauseating ignorance:
>>
>> http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/holocaust/holocaustpage.html
>
>And where amongst that shite is the answer to the question posed, you
>functionally illiterate clown?
>
>And since when were you called McVay?
>
>Such a stupid, unintelligent, illiterate fool, you.
LOL! You forgot "doodyhead".
B'injamin Cr'amer
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:21:42 +1000, "B'injamin Cr'amer"
> <yidsrb...@mosttimes.yes> wrote:
>
>>
>>"drahcir" <as...@asasgt.com> wrote in message
>>news:l61gm35g57fscjj1p...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:56:16 GMT, "Joe Smokey Firestone"
>>> <joefir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can I ask you once simple question Mr. Mc Vay? Why General, and later
>>>>President Eisenhower never mentioned anything in his memoir about the
>>>>holocaust and the gas Chambers.
>>>
>>> Here, fool, try to make a dent in your nauseating ignorance:
>>>
>>> http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/holocaust/holocaustpage.html
>>
>>And where amongst that shite is the answer to the question posed, you
>>functionally illiterate clown?
>>
>>And since when were you called McVay?
>>
>>Such a stupid, unintelligent, illiterate fool, you.
>
> LOL! You forgot "doodyhead".
Fool.
Dr. Lippschitz
Get yourself a room, a very small room, and take the gaspipe :o)
>
> Susan