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Anyone here witness Ortigas shooting? Phone 0918-123-4567.

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Rose Melinis

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Nov 14, 2005, 6:03:56ā€ÆPM11/14/05
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If you are able to fabricate relatively lucid "facts" about the case, please
contact the Chief Superintendent and be issued an number. All witnesses will
be asked to que up in numerical order. Oh, by the way, where's the bag a
shabu?:

CHIEF Superintendent Augusto Angcanan, chief of the Philippine National
Police-Traffic Management Group (PNP-TMG), said Monday the fact-finding
committee tasked to investigate the Ortigas shootout last November 7 has yet
to finish the investigation because new witnesses have come forward to give
detailed information about the incident.

>>snip<<

The committee was about to submit the result of its investigation to PNP
Chief Arturo Lomibao Monday morning. Lomibao had formed the investigating
body to look into the allegations of rubout by families and friends of the
three suspects, identified as Anthony Brian Dulay, Francis Xavier Manzano
and Anton Co-Unjieng, contrary to the claim of the police that the incident
was a legitimate shootout.

>>snip<<.

The TMG chief appealed to UNTV to provide them with the video's whole
version rather than part it earlier released.

In a media interview, Angcanan also denied allegations that the guns - an
Ingram pistol and a .9mm caliber pistol that were recovered from the
suspects - may have been planted. He said a paraffin test conducted by the
PNP Crime Laboratory, which found two of the suspects positive for powder
burns, only shows that "they (suspects) had and they fired their guns."

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/man/2005/11/15/news/new.witnesses.in.ortigas.shootout.probe.show.up.html


justiceforfrancisxavier

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Nov 15, 2005, 2:02:09ā€ÆAM11/15/05
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Can someone explain something to me. Is the police running their own
investigation to find as much evidence and ways to clear itself? Or is
there a third-party investigation group that takes place that can be
unbias to either party?

garcillano

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Nov 15, 2005, 6:40:40ā€ÆAM11/15/05
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look for bullet casings in the vehicle from the said suspects. .
trcethoseguns see if it comes back to the cops in linkage . see if
the police hit was hit by another cop due to the cross fire [
check the caliber] . [ more likely scenario] .

if its a 9 mm, its the suspects. if its 45 or a 40 or N m16 ammu
its more likely the cops . see if the dead were made to fire a gun .
ask for csi . good one please.

justiceforfrancisxavier

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Nov 15, 2005, 10:11:03ā€ÆAM11/15/05
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i would also like to encourage those who were involved in the post
shooting to come out and let the people know of the corruption that
took place after the deaths of the three men. the families of the
victims were not told of their kin's death until the following morning,
despite available identifications. a lot happened behind the scenes
that the authorities are covering up. please have the conscience to
step up and speak the truth. please have the heart to keep this from
happening again in the future to other vicitims.

Rose Melinis

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Nov 15, 2005, 11:30:53ā€ÆAM11/15/05
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But where is the bag of shabu?


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justiceforfrancisxavier

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Nov 15, 2005, 12:58:36ā€ÆPM11/15/05
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Exactly -- where's the shabu? Also, where are all their personal
belongings? Why was it kept from their families without word of
whether they were keeping it or that they existed?

The police mistakenly killed the wrong guys -- and will do as much as
they can to cover it up and tarnish their victims. Francis Manzano was
a drug counselor and very clean. He's all about helping young people
away from drugs and those who have encountered it to stay clean from
drugs. Another strong evidence the police are liars.

Motive for the police to tarnish the victims' credibilities from the
media: to protect themselves and justify their actions.

Motive for the friends, family and witness of the victims to be quiet
from the media: to avoid being harmed by the police.

PJA

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Nov 15, 2005, 6:02:38ā€ÆPM11/15/05
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This is an old plot, based on a really hackneyed "story-telling-lies"
script, whose "tale-end" has not been been penned, resolved (or agreed
upon) to this date. This has been docketed under "Unsolved Crime:
Case No. GR 149453: "Rub-out versus Rub-in".

Synopsis:

The following appear in the records of this case:

(1) On May 18, 1995, then PNP Director-General Recaredo
Sarmiento II announced, in a press conference, the killing of eleven
(11) members of the Kuratong Baleleng Gang (KBG) in a shootout with
police elements near the fly-over along Commonwealth Avenue, Quezon
City at about 4:00 A.M. that day.[3]

(2) On May 22, 1995, morning papers carried the news that
SPO2 Eduardo delos Reyes had claimed that the killing of the eleven
(11) gang members was a "rub-out" or summary execution and not a
shootout.[4]

(3) In an affidavit he executed the following day, delos
Reyes stated, among others, that he was part of a composite police team
called the Anti-Bank Robbery and Intelligence Task Force Group
(ABRITFG) composed of elements of the National Capital Region Command
(NCRC) and headed by Chief Superintendent Jewel Canson; Traffic
Management Command, headed by Senior Superintendent Francisco Subia,
Jr.; Presidential Anti-Crime Commission (PACC), headed by Chief
Superintendent Panfilo M. Lacson; Central Police District Command,
headed by Chief Superintendent Ricardo de Leon; and Criminal
Investigation Command (CIC), headed by Chief Superintendent Romeo Acop.
Delos Reyes claimed that the police team arrested the eleven (11) gang
members in early morning of May 18, 1995 at the gang's safe house in
Superville Subdivision, ParaƱaque; that after their arrest, the gang
members were made to board two vans, their hands tied behind their
backs, and brought initially to Camp Crame where a decision to
summarily execute them was made, and later to Commonwealth Avenue where
they were shot to death by elements of ABRITFG.[5]

(4) On May 26, 1995, SPO2 Corazon dela Cruz, another CIC
investigator, executed an affidavit corroborating the material
allegations of delos Reyes. Dela Cruz claimed that she was with delos
Reyes from the time the eleven (11) KBG members were arrested up to the
time they were killed in Commonwealth Avenue.[6]

(5) On May 31, 1995, Armando Capili, a reporter of Remate,
executed an affidavit stating that he was present when the KBG members
were arrested in Superville Subdivision.[7]

(6) On June 1, 1995, Chief Superintendent Job A. Mayo, PNP
Director for Investigation, filed murder charges with the Office of the
Ombudsman against ninety-seven (97) officers and personnel of ABRITFG.
The next-of-kin of the slain KBG members also filed murder charges
against the same officers and personnel.[8]

(7) Ombudsman Aniano Desierto then created a panel of
investigators to conduct a preliminary investigation of the murder
charges. The panel was headed by Deputy Ombudsman for Military Affairs
Bienvenido Blancaflor. On October 20, 1995, the panel issued a
resolution recommending the dismissal of the charges for lack of
probable cause.

(8) Ombudsman Desierto referred the resolution for review by
a panel composed of Over-all Deputy Ombudsman Francisco Villa as head,
and Special Prosecutor Leonardo Tamayo and Assistant Ombudsman Abelardo
Aportadera as members. On November 20, 1995, the review panel reversed
the Blancaflor resolution and found probable cause for the prosecution
of multiple murder charges against twenty-six (26) officers and
personnel of ABRITFG.[9]

(9) On November 2, 1995, the Ombudsman filed before the
Sandiganbayan eleven (11) Informations for MURDER, docketed as Criminal
Cases Nos. 23047 to 23057, against respondent Panfilo M. Lacson and
twenty-five (25) other accused. All twenty-six (26) of them were
charged as principals.[10] The following appear to be the victims:
Meleubren Sorronda in Crim. Case No. 23047; Welbor Elcamel in Crim.
Case No. 23048; Carlito Alap-ap in Crim. Case No. 23049; Jevy Redillas
in Crim. Case No. 23050; Ray Abalora in Crim. Case No. 23051; Joel
Amora in Crim. Case No. 23052; Alex Neri in Crim. Case No. 23053;
Rolando Siplon in Crim. Case No. 23054; Manuel Montero in Crim. Case
No. 23055; Sherwin Abalora in Crim. Case No. 23056; and Pacifico
Montero in Crim. Case No. 23057.

(10) Upon motion of the respondent, the criminal cases were
remanded to the Ombudsman for reinvestigation. On March 1, 1996,
Amended Informations were filed against the same twenty-six (26)
suspects but the participation of respondent Lacson was downgraded from
principal to accessory. Arraignment then followed and respondent
entered a plea of not guilty.[11]

(11) With the downgrading of charges against him, respondent
Lacson questioned the jurisdiction of the Sandiganbayan to hear the
criminal cases as none of the "principal" accused in the Amended
Informations was a government official with a Salary Grade (SG) 27 or
higher, citing Section 2 of R. A. No. 7975 then prevailing.
Accordingly, the Sandiganbayan ordered the cases transferred to the
Regional Trial Court.[12]

(12) The Office of the Special Prosecutor filed a motion for
reconsideration of the transfer. Pending resolution of the motion, R.
A. No. 8249 took effect on February 23, 1997, amending R. A. No. 7975.
In particular, the amendatory law deleted the word "principal" in
Section 2 of R. A. No. 7975, thereby expanding the jurisdiction of the
Sandiganbayan to include all cases where at least one of the accused,
whether principal, accomplice or accessory, is a government official of
Salary Grade (SG) 27 or higher. The amendment is made applicable to all
cases pending in any court in which trial has not yet begun as of the
date of its approval.[13]

(13) In Lacson v. Executive Secretary,[14] respondent Lacson
challenged the constitutionality of the amendment and contended that
the Sandiganbayan had no jurisdiction over the criminal cases. This
Court, while dismissing the constitutional challenge, nonetheless
ordered the transfer of the criminal cases to the Regional Trial Court
on the ground that the Amended Informations for murder failed to
indicate that the offenses charged therein were committed in relation
to, or in discharge of, the official functions of the respondent, as
required by R. A. No. 8249.

(14) Criminal Cases Nos. 23047 to 23057 were raffled off to
Branch 81 of the Regional Trial Court of Quezon City, then presided by
Judge, now Associate Justice of the Court of Appeals, Wenceslao Agnir,
Jr., and re-docketed as Criminal Cases Nos. Q-99-81679 to Q-99-81689.

(15) Before the accused could be arraigned, prosecution
witnesses Eduardo de los Reyes, Corazon de la Cruz, Armando Capili and
Jane Gomez recanted their affidavits which implicated respondent Lacson
in the murder of the KBG members.

On the other hand, private complainants Myrna Abalora,[15] Leonora
Amora,[16] Nenita Alap-ap,[17] Imelda Montero,[18] Margarita
Redillas,[19] Carmelita Elcamel[20] and Rolando Siplon[21] also
executed their respective affidavits of desistance declaring that they
were no longer interested to prosecute these cases.[22]

(16) Due to these developments, the twenty-six (26) accused,
including respondent Lacson, filed five separate but identical motions
to (1) make a judicial determination of the existence of probable cause
for the issuance of warrants of arrest; (2) hold in abeyance the
issuance of the warrants, and (3) dismiss the cases should the trial
court find lack of probable cause.

(17) The records of the case before us are not clear whether
the private offended parties were notified of the hearing on March 22,
1999[23] held by Judge Agnir to resolve the motions filed by respondent
Lacson and the other accused.

(18) During the said hearing, the private offended parties who
desisted do not appear to have been presented on the witness stand. In
their stead, Atty. Godwin Valdez testified that he assisted them in
preparing their affidavits of desistance and that he signed said
affidavits as witness. On the other hand, Atty. Aurora Bautista of the
Philippine Lawyer's League presented the affidavits of recantation of
prosecution witnesses Eduardo de los Reyes, Armando Capili and Jane
Gomez. Only prosecution witness Corazon de la Cruz testified to affirm
her affidavit.[24]

(19) On March 29, 1999, Judge Agnir issued a Resolution[25]
dismissing Criminal Cases Nos. Q-99-81679 to Q-99-81689, as follows:

"As already seen, the documents attached to the Informations in
support thereof have been rendered meaningless, if not absurd, with the
recantation of the principal prosecution witnesses and the desistance
of the private complainants. There is no more evidence to show that a
crime has been committed and that the accused are probably guilty
thereof. Following the doctrine above-cited, there is no more reason to
hold the accused for trial and further expose them to an open and
public accusation. It is time to write finis to these cases and lay to
rest the ghost of the incident of May 18, 1995 so that all those
involved--- the accused, the prosecution witnesses and the private
complainants alike--- may get on with their lives.

The Court is not unmindful of the admonition in the recent case of
People vs. Court of Appeals (G.R. No. 126005, January 21, 1999) where
the Supreme Court said that the general rule is that 'if the
Information is valid on its face and there is no showing of manifest
error, grave abuse of discretion or prejudice on the part of the public
prosecutor, courts should not dismiss it for want of evidence, because
evidentiary matters should be presented and heard during the trial',
and that the ruling in Allado vs. Diokno 'is an exception to the
general rule and may be invoked only if similar circumstances are
clearly shown to exist.'

This Court holds that the circumstances in the case at bench clearly
make an exception to the general rule.

WHEREFORE, in view of the foregoing, the Court finds no probable cause
for the issuance of the warrants of arrest against the accused or to
hold them for trial. Accordingly, the Informations in the
above-numbered cases are hereby ordered dismissed."

SO ORDERED."[26]

===============end of transcript of records==============

I wonder if Manong Ben is still around. I am sure he can share and shed
some light into this. Also Bob Boracay..would be the other
knowledgeable blogger.

=================================================

I can not give any "interactive, on line, realtime, up close and
personal testimony to this other recent "plotted case in Greenhills,"
because I was still in jail at that time. Although I did hear some
rumors and loose talks in "pen", just before I was released that
"something was coming down". This might have been it.

But then again, the "guys" may have been talking about the "WRONG"
putol arrested recently by the intelligence experts. (i.e., I heard
some of the "boys" say - "may kukuryentehin" malapit sa Malacanyang.

Nowadays, who can you believe and trust, but your cellmate?

PPe2

Cheeze

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Nov 15, 2005, 8:25:41ā€ÆPM11/15/05
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Never rely on the police for anything on their own. You need to let
them know that you are willing to follow through with your desire to
see justice. You need to follow up as regularly as possible. You need
to be nosy. The NBI might be of help.

garcillano

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Nov 15, 2005, 10:44:20ā€ÆPM11/15/05
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big question why where the 2 bodies cremated? it woul;d had been a big
help if there were bodies to be autopsied by an independent source.
thats like burning evidence. btw they say parafin tests are no longer
recognized in other countries since its prone to contamination and
false readings..

justiceforfrancisxavier

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Nov 19, 2005, 4:27:13ā€ÆPM11/19/05
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4 Professional Cameras Wintessed The Shooting (not just 2)

I just learned that "at least" 4 videos were taken of the shooting --
before, during and after. These 4 came from the UNTV television
network, whose offices were right by the incident. However, the PNP &
TMG refuse to acknowledge the 2 other videos (plus the amateur video
currently airing on TV).

Are these really polices investigators?! Any news journalist (in the
Philippines or abroad) will go nuts for this incredible story -- how a
country filled with intelligent and good-hearted citizens live under a
corrupt police system is unraveling in public.

More on http://clearfx.blogspot.com &
http://www.gazettephilippines.com/opinions/2005/opinions1120.htm

Rose Melinis

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Nov 19, 2005, 5:04:35ā€ÆPM11/19/05
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Wow, "professional" cameras. That adds a lot of weight. Possibly more
superlatives could be used to imply more importance - but, but, the people
who took the supposed footage refuse to acknowledge them. That kind of makes
them a moot point, doesn't it?

I watched two of the clips (one of them of the events when the police
surround the car, one brave policeman made the initial approach to the car,
and then when the rest of them came closer). It appears that one of the
police became agitated, probably due to movement by one of the armed and
wounded (or dying) perpetrators. It was then that one of the officers
administered the "coup de grace", ensuring the safety for himself and the
rest of the officers present. After all, one of the police had already been
shot at and wounded. Actually, I saw very prudent actions by the police to
protect themselves while approaching a car filled with perpetrators.

I would like to see the "before" and "after" clips if they indeed exist -
and that seems in grave doubt. One showing what, a chase? The other showing
what, salvaging the bodies from the car? With all the hyperbole, and
misinformation put out about these videotapes (I believed that I was going
to see the perpetrators lined up against the wall and shot in the back
execution style - I didn't, I only saw prudent police safety tactics) it is
no wonder that media reporters are being killed in record numbers in the
Philippines.

Now, have the number of car-jackings gone down or risen in the Orgitas area?

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justiceforfrancisxavier

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Nov 20, 2005, 1:33:21ā€ÆPM11/20/05
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You know what's great about you, Rose? It helps us understand the
perspective of the police. Now, only if you were facts were right, it
would be convincing -- but your facts are simply based on what the
"corrupt" PNP TMG police has provided you.

#1 -- I said professional cameras, because they were indeed taken with
professional video camera equipment from the TV network. There was one
(5th one) taken by an "amateur" photographer using their "personal"
camcorder.

#2 -- Only 2 has appeared in the media because the PNP TMG refusese to
ackowledge the other 3 videos. Despite UNTV's offer to provide all
their videos and report what their staff had witnessed, the PNP TMG
ignored them. In fact, I saw with my own eyes an interview with one of
the PNP TMG fact-finding personnel saying (on TV): "It's easier and
simpler for our case to just focus on these 2 videos and not the others
because it will just complicate the case." HELLLL-LLLO TO THAT!

#3 -- Why isn't the PNP TMG wanting to get the cooperation of UNTV?
Because they don't like UNTV. Prior to this incident, they were
already threatening the employees and owner of that station on matters
that does not involve this case. (UNTV is an independent TV station
that promotes Christianity and humanity.) So by not cooperating with
UNTV, the PNP TMG is able to find a reason to turn the table around and
accuse UNTV of not being cooperative. In fact, the PNP TMG are now
filing a charge against UNTV for not cooperating -- where the truth is
that they're nothing but cooperative and it's the police who refuse to
accept evidence from them. One of the cameraman is now in hiding, for
fear of his life from the PNP TMG.

#4 -- You say those boys in the car had guns -- based on whose report
again? Oh, based on the PNP TMG's report and not the eye witnesses on
the street who saw it (and, by the way, whose lives are now threatened
by the PNP TMG).... and I'm sure not based on the video that our own
eyes see, right? Those boys had guns and those boys are
carjackers....because the PNP TMG says so. Well you know what? The
PNP TMG can and "will" say whatever they want to say to protect their
lies. And there's no one, I mean NO ONE, even all the way to the
President, who can do anything about them -- because Angelo Reyes is
untouchable by the President. A good example is this case. They say
those boys had a gun and grenade in the car -- which are rare arms that
can "only" be found in the military. (Francis was in the backseat and
was "supposedly armed with the gun and grenade. If you saw how he died
-- seating behind the passenger side, facing the right door and leaning
against it, wearing just house shorts and tshirt. You know where they
found the "alleged" arms he was "supposedly" carrying that threatened
the lives of the poliec? Under the mat of the driver's seat. You're
smart, Rose, come up with a conspiracy theory to help the police
protect their case!)

#5 -- As much digging and as much accusations the police are trying to
come up with to tag the boys as carnappers, they won't find any... so
they'll just make them up. PNP TMG has made accusations and have even
come up with "witness" to prove that Francis Xavier was a carjacker --
but they fail to prove how he can be Superman, because he can't be in
two places at the same time, as they charge. I will repeat it again,
Francis Xavier was "not" a carnapper.

http://clearfx.blogspot.com

Rose Melinis

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Nov 20, 2005, 4:54:14ā€ÆPM11/20/05
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Nor will he ever be. Wrong place, wrong time, ad infinitum. But are the car
hijackings down in Ortigas?

Yes, I understand the perspective of the police. I have been married to one
for, well, a number of years - now retired.

Police are in a dangerous business. They err on the side of safety, and even
that doesn't protect them all the time.

If the videos were so conclusive I believe they would have been on the air
continuously. It will take a lot of convincing truthful evidence to turn me
from this scoreboard:

Police = one injured.
Perps = 4 dead.


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justiceforfrancisxavier

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Nov 20, 2005, 5:46:06ā€ÆPM11/20/05
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I hope you're on the police side because you find their evidence
convincing, rathen than simple loyalty because your husband was a cop.
In my opinion, this case gives good cops a bad name. Mistakes of these
bad cops tarnish the efforts of the real good cops out there.

Check your facts again -- police injury was caused by their own, not of
the three men. You can even look at the bullet holes on the police
cars, and none come from the outside of the car.

What I hope you wish for would be the same as I would like to see out
of this -- justice and truth -- for the sake of the Filipinos living in
the Philippines.

tumbaga

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justiceforfrancisxavier wrote:

Filipino cops have a bad name, their reputation is one of the worst.
Used to be better but corruption?...
Instead of investigating, they just assume and shoot. Too lazy, besides
a dead suspect is easier to deal with, and there are so many of them.

If the stats on carjacking is low, for those idiots, who cares if they
kill an innocent person, they lowered the stats!!! Why do you think Rose
is asking for the stats?

I had a friend in the anti-carnapping division of what is now
PNP(philippine constabulary) and guess what they found?
The biggest carnapping ring in Manila happened to be oeprated by cops
and former cops. Where? Ortigas!

justiceforfrancisxavier

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"My brother was not a carjacker"
By Sandy Araneta
The Philippine Star 12/10/2005

A sister of a business school student gunned down last month by Traffic
Management Group (TMG) officers during an anti-carjacking operation
said yesterday her brother was not a criminal, the first time the
family has made a public statement about the incident.

In a press conference held at the Astoria Plaza in Pasig City, Jennifer
Manzano, 37, read a statement in connection with the killing of her
brother Francis Xavier, praying that the investigation being conducted
by the Commission on Human Rights (CHR) "may bear fruit and that
justice may be done so that Francis may be able to truly rest
peacefully."

Francis Xavier, 26, a second year college student at the Thames
Business School, was shot dead by police anit-carjacking operatives at
the Ortigas Center in Pasig City last Nov. 7.

Also killed were his companions Brian Anthony Dulay and Antonio
Cu-Unjieng.

Francis was the youngest of five siblings.

"He has been described as a criminal and a carjacker by those who took
his life. Francis Xavier, FX to us, was many things, but he was not a
criminal, he was not a carjacker," said Jennifer, who was almost in
tears as she read her family's statement.

She told the media men that neither Francis nor any other member of the
family ever owned a firearm.

Jennifer said they are deeply pained and traumatized by the passing of
their youngest.

"We believe that we owe it to our brother as well as to our late
parents not to allow our name to be trampled upon and vilified without
cause and without justification," she said.

Jennifer said that while they do not wish to condemn the Philippine
National Police (PNP) as an institution, they cannot turn a blind eye
to the video footage of the "overkill" as well as the testimonies of
eyewitnesses "that show beyond any doubt that those who killed Francis
disregarded the rules of engagement and violated his fundamental human
rights."

"We believe in the rule of law. Francis was not accorded the rule of
law. He was not a criminal, yet he was treated like the worst kind of
criminal. He was never charged, tried, convicted or sentenced, yet he
was executed," Jennifer said.

She said the family agreed to cooperate with the CHR in its
investigation, and acceded the request to have the remains of Francis
exhumed and his body re-examined by a doctor who had been commissioned
by the CHR.

This was done last Nov. 26 in Baguio City. They are now awaiting the
official report and findings of the autopsy which they believe would
bring them closer to the truth.

Jennifer, on behalf of the family, thanked several people including CHR
chairwoman Purificacion Quisumbing, UNTV for the video taken by a news
crew and other witnesses, for helping them in the search for the truth.


Lawyer Theodore Te, legal counsel of the Manzano family, said they are
now closely coordinating with Dr. Raquel del Rosario-Fortun, who
performed the autopsy.

He said the family is hoping the report would come out soon.

"We are hoping that it will bring us closer to the truth to finding out
what truly happened on Nov. 7, 2005. The re-examination and the
re-autopsy will unearth a lot of things that right now cannot be
explained in relation to the death of Francis," Te said.

He said that even if the families of those killed do not file charges,
then the Department of Justice has a duty to do so, if the CHR finds
basis.

Te said there were a lot of people in the area during the alleged
shootout. He hopes that those witnesses will come forward.

"Without witnesses or without enough witnesses, I don't think they
will have too much basis to proceed. We are also making this appeal to
people who may have been there, may have information, to come forward
and coordinate with the CHR. If they are willing to coordinate with us,
then I will coordinate with the CHR on their behalf," the lawyer said.

He said the Manzano family is thankful that the CHR took the initiative
and continues to follow up the investigation.

Rose Melinis

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. . . and he never will be a carjacker. Nor will he be a businessman, etc.


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