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kurakot

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Jun 29, 2004, 1:34:53 PM6/29/04
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Sen Biazon - He reiterated his warning of "grave consequences" if the
military intervenes.

Columnist Herman Tiu Laurel - "Ano bang klase ito? Hindi mga hayop ang mga
yan' tao kami,"

Actor Nino Mulach - "Walang hiya ang gobyernong ito. Nun panahon ni Erap at
Marcos puwedeng magpahayag ng hinaing nguni't ngayon itinaon pa sa pagdating
ni FPJ tsaka nila binanatan ng tear gas kami,"

malaya

k


Orin Oríg

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Jun 29, 2004, 2:03:51 PM6/29/04
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Eh, hindi kayo marunong kausapin . . . wala pala kayong permiso or permit .
. . at ayon sa Philippine's Tonight, binigyan kayo hanggang alas-cuarto ng
hapon para magtatalak . . . ayaw kayong mag-disperse o magwatak-watak . . .
kaya binomba kayo ng tubig . . . at hinagisan ng tear gas.

Gagawin talaga iyon kahit ng anong pamahalaan sa daigdig na ito . . .
matapos ba namang makahuli ang mga pulis ng mga teroristang may koneksyon sa
Al Qaeda . . . eh, bakit hindi?

At sino ang maniniwala kay Ninyo Mulach . . . hindi ba mahina ang kokote ng
burgis na iyon?

Anyway Aling, Gloria is hoping that it would not rain during her parade
tomorrow.

Did you know Typhoon Igme just made a landfall in Aparri ? And before that,
Igme caused many damages as far as the island of Leyte.

Now Typhoon Tingting is coming . . . so brace your roof and sing it loud . .
. "Hey! Mr. Armstien . . . here I am . . ."

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Orin Oríg

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Jun 29, 2004, 2:22:14 PM6/29/04
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Napansin ninyo ba ang mga protesters . . . mga nag-oocho-ocho sa gitna ng
kalye.


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Orin Oríg

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Ano ang akala nila sa mga issue . . . pang Gay Pride parade ng New York?


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kurakot

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for now it looks like about same same......it can get really really
nasty later on

k

Orin Oríg

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"kurakot" <kur...@icanada.com> wrote in message
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> ====
>
> for now it looks like about same same......it can get really really
> nasty later on
>
>
>
> k

You mean you will be there to order the Bongga Militia to open fire to the
people who did not vote for FPJ . . . like your dad,Ferdinand Marcos,
ordered the military to fire with machine guns on Valentin de los Santos and
the Lapiang Malaya?

Well, that would be interesting. But in order that fantasy of yours will be
"reality tv," you must be there in Manila to face Aling Gloria.

Meanwhile Aling Gloria is being sworn in at the Luneta Grandstand in Manila.


Orin Oríg

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"kurakot" <kur...@icanada.com> wrote in message
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> Sen Biazon - He reiterated his warning of "grave consequences" if the
> military intervenes.
>

I suppose this will be the burning of Manila that you predicted, Kurakot?

OK lang iyan . . . basta unahin ninyo lang ang Ongpin at ang mga torohan ni
Ricky Lee sa Azcarraga.


Orin Oríg

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Jun 29, 2004, 8:38:49 PM6/29/04
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Well, Kurakot . . . You and Dubya must be friends because both of you share
a common philosophy.

Dubya is fighting the war on terrorists away from the US and you are
fighting Aling Gloria in the US.

By the way, have you tried that Microsoft ball less mouse?

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Renowl

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Jun 29, 2004, 11:42:57 PM6/29/04
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ho w can someone have a permit to rally when rallies have been curtailed
lately?

kurakot

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> ho w can someone have a permit to rally when rallies have been curtailed
> lately?

===

just wait for a few MERALCO bills to come in.....even those with electricity
at home
may not be able to afford it

2-100 watts bulbs on 8hrs per day will cost roughly P600 a month


k

Orin Oríg

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Then . . . they are in violation of the city ordinance. Don't tell me that
laws are made to be broken.

Lumang tugtugin na iyan.


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Renowl

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moro moro lang yan. hinde pwede magrally kong walang permit ntw request for
a permit denied. so next time bring tissue and sabon. its all shades of
mendiola when makoy was pres

kurakot

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===

retail price of galunggong is UP.......electricity bill is UP.........fare
is UP
UNEMPLOYMENT is aaphhhh...

unano lang na gaya ni glo ang hindi tumataas

ONE MILLION JOBS A YEAR !!!! FOTANG BULAAN TALAGA

k


Orin Oríg

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"kurakot" <kur...@icanada.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> retail price of galunggong is UP.......electricity bill is UP.........fare
> is UP
> UNEMPLOYMENT is aaphhhh...
>
> unano lang na gaya ni glo ang hindi tumataas
>
> ONE MILLION JOBS A YEAR !!!! FOTANG BULAAN TALAGA
>
>

Stop pretending to be hero or a martyr. Your mother, Imelda Marcos does not
eat galunggong. She does not even pay the electricity . . . All her houses
in the Pinas have jumpers.

Don't be so harsh about short people like you . . . Being a Filipino, I know
plenty of "short" jokes and "pug noses" jokes. Kaya relax ka lang Apo
Ferdie, Jr. your brain is already short-circuited.

I do not believe that Aling Gloria can create those ten millions jobs in ten
years. However, she is like you who is trying to compensate for her short
height and short comings. I won't be surprised the Philippines would be
short changed again. But, what is new in the Pinas? Pareho-pareho lang
kayong mga sinungaling.


Sylvia Knörr

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There is a Tagalog song called "Mendiola" but I can´t find the word in my
dictionary. What does it mean?

Vocabulary Piggy


yournamehere

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:13:28 +0200, "Sylvia Knörr"
<sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote:

>There is a Tagalog song called "Mendiola" but I can´t find the word in my
>dictionary. What does it mean?

Google it: Mendiola Bridge


tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:

It is not a Tagalog word, it is Spanish.

Orin Oríg

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It is a name of a bridge where Ferdinand Marcos suppressed, so to speak, the
communists from UP.


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tansong tumbaga

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Orin Oríg wrote:

> It is a name of a bridge where Ferdinand Marcos suppressed, so to speak, the
> communists from UP.
>

Sylvia is trying to translate it to German or English, but since it is
not Tagalog, she would not find it in the dictionary. Since the word is
Spanish and a bridge's name.

Sylvia Knörr

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Orin Oríg wrote:


I can´t find it in my Spanish dictionary also. Could it be a Spanish
PERSON´s name? It would make sense to name an important bridge after a
person of public interest.or maybe one of the Spanish residents who first
lived there.
Sir Norman Owen could know something about it. It´s time that this guy
accomplishes his move back to the US of A, so he can return to frequent
usenet activity! :-)

City History Piggy


tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:
> I can´t find it in my Spanish dictionary also. Could it be a Spanish
> PERSON´s name? It would make sense to name an important bridge after a
> person of public interest.or maybe one of the Spanish residents who first
> lived there.
Yes, it was a person's name.

> Sir Norman Owen could know something about it. It´s time that this guy
> accomplishes his move back to the US of A, so he can return to frequent
> usenet activity! :-)
>
> City History Piggy
>

My father painted a series of Manila's bridges when he was studying in
UP, although my father was American, he found Filipino style of painting
to be to his liking so he studied and his Professor was Amorsolo.

When he became an actor and semi-famous he did the another series, of
the same bridges, I was able to absconed Jones Bridge, my sister got
most of it...Grrr! I love his still life of flowers. The only time he
used a big band of black on his painting.

Renowl

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whats his name?

Just JT

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Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de>:

>
> I can´t find it in my Spanish dictionary also. Could it be a Spanish
> PERSON´s name? It would make sense to name an important bridge after a
> person of public interest.or maybe one of the Spanish residents who first
> lived there.
--------------
Mendiola St. and Mendiola bridge is most probably named after Don Pedro
Mendiola, one of the members of the Philippine revolutionary forces under
General Emilio Aguinaldo. Checkout:

http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/declaration.html

Aside from the Malacañang palace, the former all-girls schools of Centro
Escolár University and La Cónsolación College also reside there. The
colegialas are hot in their schoolie uniforms, hay caramba!

--
DalubICoachedSomeHotBabesAtCEUSchoolOfPharmacyBBallTeam


Orin Oríg

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
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> My father painted a series of Manila's bridges when he was studying in
> UP, although my father was American, he found Filipino style of painting
> to be to his liking so he studied and his Professor was Amorsolo.
>
> When he became an actor and semi-famous he did the another series, of
> the same bridges, I was able to absconed Jones Bridge, my sister got
> most of it...Grrr! I love his still life of flowers. The only time he
> used a big band of black on his painting.
>

Your father was a medical doctor who held office in Ongpin.


Orin Oríg

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The importance of Mendiola in the Philippine history is the battle between
the student activists ( communist inspired) and the government of former
president Ferdinand Marcos. Believe it or not.

It was the subject of many short plays in Manila during the early days of
PETA.

Now, I don't know if this battle of Mendiola is included in the Philippine
documentary "Imelda." I suggest that GMA to interfere on the banning of
this documentary. The maker of the film claims it is a documentary . . .
so, he does not need the permission of Imelda Marcos for the exhibition of
the film. Imelda Marcos is news.

Unless, of course, the film maker wants compensation from Imelda Marcos.
Well, who knows. It is still the Pinas.


Orinello


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Orin Oríg

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Imelda Marcos: ". . . I feel so good . . . that I could fly . . ."

Ay! Wak-wak din si Imelda.


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Renowl

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mendiola is near malacanang palace thats why its a magnet for protest . btw i
read in a website that mendiola has been renamed chino roces bridge. maybe
somebody knowse the word mendiola came from. sounds like a family name

tansong tumbaga

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You make things up as you go along don't you?

My dad played Hesus in "Kalbaryo ni Hesus", if you want to check that
one out. He is not as famous as most actors. I still can't believe that
Ongpin style pansit cannot be copied here.

Orin Oríg

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
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> You make things up as you go along don't you?
>
> My dad played Hesus in "Kalbaryo ni Hesus", if you want to check that
> one out. He is not as famous as most actors. I still can't believe that
> Ongpin style pansit cannot be copied here.
>

Oo, sige na kung iyan ang ikaliligaya mo.

Sino ang gumanap ng Hudas sa pelikulang Kalbaryo ni Hesus?


Orin Oríg

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Any comment from Liberals Hate America?


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"Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> Sir Norman Owen could know something about it. It´s time that this guy
> accomplishes his move back to the US of A, so he can return to frequent
> usenet activity! :-)


Why not try sending him an e-mail?

Try this e-mail address: ngo...@hkcc.hku.hk

tansong tumbaga

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Samuel Bilibit; Johnny Monteiro (di ko alam ang actual pangalan ng
character).
Hudas? nakalimutan ko na, that was a long time ago. Gloria Romero as
Mary da Erms. Let me tell you this; When the women looked up at Jesus on
the cross, they saw my dad's balls and it isn't tears of sorrow that
came out but laughing out at the sight.. My erpat was butt naked up there.
Oh yeah, I have a picture of the "last kiss".

Sylvia Knörr

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> My father painted a series of Manila's bridges when he was studying in
> UP, although my father was American, he found Filipino style of painting
> to be to his liking so he studied and his Professor was Amorsolo.


What is Filipino style of painting? How is it different from European or
American style?

Art Historian Piggy


Sylvia Knörr

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> --------------
> Mendiola St. and Mendiola bridge is most probably named after Don Pedro
> Mendiola, one of the members of the Philippine revolutionary forces under
> General Emilio Aguinaldo. Checkout:
>
> http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/declaration.html

Ok, that´s the kind of information I was after. You do it almost as good as
Dr. Owen. :-)
So Don Pedro Mendiola was one of the revolutionaries. What made him so
prominent among all the others that an important bridge like that leading to
Malacañang Palace was named after him?

> Aside from the Malacañang palace, the former all-girls schools of Centro
> Escolár University and La Cónsolación College also reside there. The
> colegialas are hot in their schoolie uniforms, hay caramba!


Is it asked too much to stay on topic? :-)

Not Thinking Of A Pink Elephant Piggy


Sylvia Knörr

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Thank you, but I don´t want to bother him with private emails, unless it is
something VERY important.

Timid Piggy


Orin Oríg

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
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> Samuel Bilibit; Johnny Monteiro (di ko alam ang actual pangalan ng
> character).
> Hudas? nakalimutan ko na, that was a long time ago. Gloria Romero as
> Mary da Erms. Let me tell you this; When the women looked up at Jesus on
> the cross, they saw my dad's balls and it isn't tears of sorrow that
> came out but laughing out at the sight.. My erpat was butt naked up there.
> Oh yeah, I have a picture of the "last kiss".
>

Then post the pictures and maybe we will be able to identify who portrayed
Judas for you.

It is easy to post a picture. You don't even have to try it comes easy for
you.

tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:

Amorsolo started a style of painting that became popular eventually
becoming commercialized, it is more or less like impressionism, do a
search on Amorsolo.
Romanticised impressionism I guess, where brush strokes are obvious but
not large, but like impressionism you have to squint a bit or better if
you looked at it from afar. The difference is that it is more
realisticly done. Lot of earth tones.

Just JT

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Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de>:
>
> > --------------
> > Mendiola St. and Mendiola bridge is most probably named after Don Pedro
> > Mendiola, one of the members of the Philippine revolutionary forces
under
> > General Emilio Aguinaldo. Checkout:
> >
> > http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/declaration.html
>
> Ok, that´s the kind of information I was after. You do it almost as good
as
> Dr. Owen. :-)
---------------
Why thank you for the compliment. But I am not worthy to be compared to the
great doctor! :-)

> So Don Pedro Mendiola was one of the revolutionaries. What made him so
> prominent among all the others that an important bridge like that leading
to
> Malacañang Palace was named after him?

----------------
I saw another link that mentioned Don Pedro Mendiola was one of six
signatories to the Declaration of Independence in June 1898.

> > Aside from the Malacañang palace, the former all-girls schools of Centro
> > Escolár University and La Cónsolación College also reside there. The
> > colegialas are hot in their schoolie uniforms, hay caramba!
>
> Is it asked too much to stay on topic? :-)

----------------
I'm sorry to stray away from the topic, but Mendiola St. reminds me more of
those hot colegialas than the incidence of public protests. :-)

--
DalubEveryoneHaveTheirOwnPersonalExperiences


Mo Silidonio

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Yeah, and those girls from Holy Spirit really looked hot iin their black and
white checked mini skirts and white blouse.


Sylvia Knörr

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Sylvia Knörr wrote:

> > What is Filipino style of painting? How is it different from European or
> > American style?

> Amorsolo started a style of painting that became popular eventually


> becoming commercialized, it is more or less like impressionism, do a
> search on Amorsolo.
> Romanticised impressionism I guess, where brush strokes are obvious but
> not large, but like impressionism you have to squint a bit or better if
> you looked at it from afar. The difference is that it is more
> realisticly done. Lot of earth tones.


Yes, it looks a lot like impressionistic painting. May I suppose that it´s
the most popular style among Filipinos? I mean, that kind of painting which
average people would like to decorate their house with?

Exhibition Piggy


Sylvia Knörr

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"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de>:

> > > Mendiola St. and Mendiola bridge is most probably named after Don


Pedro
> > > Mendiola, one of the members of the Philippine revolutionary forces
under
> > > General Emilio Aguinaldo. Checkout:
> > >
> > > http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/declaration.html

> > So Don Pedro Mendiola was one of the revolutionaries. What made him so
> > prominent among all the others that an important bridge like that
leading to
> > Malacañang Palace was named after him?
> ----------------

> I saw another link that mentioned Don Pedro Mendiola was one of six
> signatories to the Declaration of Independence in June 1898.

Ah, this would qualify him to give his name to a bridge.
There is a SONG called "Mendiola", it can be downloaded here:
http://revsongs2.tripod.com/index.html
(Songs page #2). This is the explanation they give:
"This song depicts mass actions on Mendiola. Many excesses by the fascist
state and the gluttons it serve have been done there. One of which is the
infamous Mendiola massacre where demonstrating farmers were fired upon by
military assault rifles. About 80 were seriously wounded and 13 killed. The
enemy naively believes that it has instilled fear in the people. It rather
has made the struggle more powerful."

I suppose they are talking about the Marcos era. BTW, if anybody got the
lyrics of this song or could transcribe it, I would be glad if he could post
it, because I like this song. With its melancholic sound of flutes it
reminds me of some songs from the Spanish protests against the Franco
regime.


> > > Aside from the Malacañang palace, the former all-girls schools of
Centro
> > > Escolár University and La Cónsolación College also reside there. The
> > > colegialas are hot in their schoolie uniforms, hay caramba!

> > Is it asked too much to stay on topic? :-)
> ----------------
> I'm sorry to stray away from the topic, but Mendiola St. reminds me more
of
> those hot colegialas than the incidence of public protests. :-)
> --
> DalubEveryoneHaveTheirOwnPersonalExperiences


I forgot that a Babe Magnet can´t help but being more attracted by hot
colegialas than by dry old revolutionaries. It´s okay. :-)

Understanding Human Faultiness Piggy


Renowl

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my artist cousin in bacolod and his artist prends are more into mural type
style with some colage . they are also into photography

tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:

Sadly, the average Pinoy would want prints by some God-awful commercial
painter than an original Amorsolo. With a lady reaping harvest, or a
carabao, Philippine pastoral scenery.
Even an Amorsolo print would be nice. Oh well.

tansong tumbaga

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Renowl wrote:

> my artist cousin in bacolod and his artist prends are more into mural type
> style with some colage . they are also into photography

Drop his name, it would be interesting, they might have some work on the
web. Mural works in Pinas were mostly in the sytle of Diego Rivera, I
wonder if this is still a popular style there.

tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
> I forgot that a Babe Magnet can´t help but being more attracted by hot
> colegialas than by dry old revolutionaries. It´s okay. :-)
>
> Understanding Human Faultiness Piggy
>
>
I was in Mendiola before Martial-law protesting, but that is also egged
on by collegialas originally.

Renowl

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jojo regollo you can see his name on the bacolod artist association master
list. his prends were cool when i was going up. kinda leftist thu. when i was
still there i always debated with him and defended the us point of view [
almost 20 years ago today ]. his major gripe last time i saw him was that
their works dont have exposure outside the country. i told him to create a
website. maybe they dont know how since they didnt have the tech savvy to do
so. their works were cool .

Renowl

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hey commercial painters create decor for the houses. thats what i tell my
cousin artist they can get rich out of making art for the masses by making
sure the colors go with the wall ambience and by being more flexible/. after
all there is artistic cred and artistic smarts

tansong tumbaga

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Means he does Rivera style murals, lots of nationalistic themes.

tansong tumbaga

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Renowl wrote:

That is the worst thing you can say to an artist, money's secondary to
an artist and that is why we almost ended up replacing wives.

Some of us are smart enough to have two carreers, and we who do, don't
care 'bout how much money our art brings as well.
I am finishing another "Freebie" portrait at this moment...

Renowl

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cant blame em after all bacolod has a bad experience with sugar, haciendas and
their treatment of sugar workers

Renowl

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Jul 5, 2004, 2:33:50 PM7/5/04
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his problem is that he is not rich or making good money and he got 2
children and a wife to feed. thats when reality and idealism meet and where
the decision on who gets priority is made. you can see his leftie collegues
turn capitalistic just to get a fast buck by doing lots of sidelines selling
folk bags, teaching art, doing t shirts, or working in sales, or immigrating
abroad . imo if he can stay in art and making kitch art for the masses he
can make the real art on his spare time. at least he is doing art. the thing
i notice in his art is that he is scrimping on colors since he dont want to
spend too much .

tansong tumbaga

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Renowl wrote:
> cant blame em after all bacolod has a bad experience with sugar, haciendas and
> their treatment of sugar workers

Its one of those single industry islands, the landowners refuses to
modernize and pays little to their employees. After hundreds of years
paying peple next to nothing inspite of reforms, it is still the same.

Since some of my relatives are from this area, Bacolod, Negros and
Ilo-ilo, I know what it was like before WW2 and after.

NPA has some semblance of control in some areas, but they still pay
homage to the hacienderos.

Sugar processing has matured enough that you can get greater yield per
cane, yet they still use the old machinery to process sugar(some as old
as Limahong!). There are machineries to reap those sharp leaved canes,
yet they still reap everything by hand.
The result of these is less profit, in a world where the competition is
tough.

tansong tumbaga

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He should learn how to make his own paint, the way my dad learned;
In the Philippines, there are colors available in hardware stores that
supplies cement materials, cement coloring, it is nothng but pigments in
pure powdered form.

You can actually mix it with your own vehicle, eggs and water, for
egg-tempera, oils and wax, whatever. The greatest problem for an artist
in the Philippines is that supplies are expensive and it seems that
artists in the Philippines discourage people making their own things...

Like paint. There are numerous information on how to make paint from
scratch in the web. and since you are a master of cut-and-paste, why
don't you send him these information.

You might want to send him a PC first if that is a problem for him to
get e-mails from you.

Artists everywhere makes less money than people imagined. A friend of
mine here in L.A. actually builds network systems as sideline as he
makes art. And he is famous.

Another is an excellent photgrapher and writer, but he was a retired
Engineer for IBM. This is the way it is for artists.

You make do with what you have, you work with materials on hand. Not to
do the work is the sin!

Dirty Sick Pig

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"Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<cca6gc$r7o$05$1...@news.t-online.com>...

> Exhibitionist Piggy

Naakt nudes, of course. But I'm far from "average." My halls and
walls are decorated with living, live, and unclothed models.

Patron-of-the-Arts Pig

Sylvia Knörr

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"Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:<cca6gc$r7o$05$1...@news.t-online.com>...

> > Yes, it looks a lot like impressionistic painting. May I suppose that


it´s
> > the most popular style among Filipinos? I mean, that kind of painting
which
> > average people would like to decorate their house with?
> >

> > ExhibitionXXX Piggy


> Naakt nudes, of course. But I'm far from "average." My halls and
> walls are decorated with living, live, and unclothed models.


Oh yes, and a body paint session every other month to keep the art juices
flowing, right? ;-)

Private View Piggy


Sylvia Knörr

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Sylvia Knörr wrote:

> > Yes, it looks a lot like impressionistic painting. May I suppose that
it´s
> > the most popular style among Filipinos? I mean, that kind of painting
which
> > average people would like to decorate their house with?

> Sadly, the average Pinoy would want prints by some God-awful commercial


> painter than an original Amorsolo. With a lady reaping harvest, or a
> carabao, Philippine pastoral scenery.
> Even an Amorsolo print would be nice. Oh well.


Like everywhere, it needs some intellectual maturity to be attracted by
great art. The masses prefer the commercial stuff, but if it really appeals
to them, I can see nothing wrong. Painting and music must speak to the
heart.

Corresponding Wavelength Piggy


tansong tumbaga

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:45:03 AM7/8/04
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Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
>
> Like everywhere, it needs some intellectual maturity to be attracted by
> great art. The masses prefer the commercial stuff, but if it really appeals
> to them, I can see nothing wrong. Painting and music must speak to the
> heart.
>
> Corresponding Wavelength Piggy
>
>

I agree...

Renowl

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the pop masses taste thu can be pedestrian and shallow

tansong tumbaga

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Renowl wrote:

> the pop masses taste thu can be pedestrian and shallow

You can always say; it is a matter of affordability.

Sylvia Knörr

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Renowl wrote:


Diego Rivera style? Great! I hope to see some of these murals when I´m
there.

Also Loving Frida Kahlo Style Piggy


tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
>>Drop his name, it would be interesting, they might have some work on the
>>web. Mural works in Pinas were mostly in the sytle of Diego Rivera, I
>>wonder if this is still a popular style there.
>
>
>
> Diego Rivera style? Great! I hope to see some of these murals when I´m
> there.
>
> Also Loving Frida Kahlo Style Piggy
>
>

My dad's style is actually a popular style nowadays, my father's style
is similar to Behrens, Behrens use palette knives and brushes, My father
only use knives, including cement trowels.
I learned more from my father than when I went to school. But school
gave me continous practice.

I never heard of Frida Kahlo unitl I met a young art student from
Mexico, I was coming from Costa Rica and she sat beside me when we
stopped by Mexico City.
She spoke about her and her life, I think I was drunk then and cannot
help tears from welling up my eyes. She wanted to write and do a story
on Frida, later on I discovered she is Selma Hayek, been to L.A. many
times but at the time she got accepted in one of L.A.'s School.
The movie did not make money, but I liked it.

Yes, mural works in Pinas are mostly done in Diego Rivera's style.

Sylvia Knörr

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Sylvia Knörr wrote:

> > Diego Rivera style? Great! I hope to see some of these murals when I´m
> > there.
> >
> > Also Loving Frida Kahlo Style Piggy

> My dad's style is actually a popular style nowadays, my father's style
> is similar to Behrens, Behrens use palette knives and brushes, My father
> only use knives, including cement trowels.

Is there a website where I can see some of your father´s paintings?

> I learned more from my father than when I went to school. But school
> gave me continous practice.

Good thing you had BOTH.

> I never heard of Frida Kahlo unitl I met a young art student from
> Mexico, I was coming from Costa Rica and she sat beside me when we
> stopped by Mexico City.
> She spoke about her and her life, I think I was drunk then and cannot
> help tears from welling up my eyes.

I think you need not necessarily be drunk to be touched by Frida Kahlo´s
life. And like her life, her paintings are full of intensity. Here self
portraits always evoke lots of emotions in me.

She wanted to write and do a story
> on Frida, later on I discovered she is Selma Hayek, been to L.A. many
> times but at the time she got accepted in one of L.A.'s School.

So she really was prepared to play that roll. Good thing.

> The movie did not make money, but I liked it.

I still didn´t see it, but it is on my "to see list". And I heared the sound
track of that movie - although I rarely listen to anything but OPM these
days, I like this kind of music! :-)

> Yes, mural works in Pinas are mostly done in Diego Rivera's style.


The Philippines-Mexico-connection is still alive. What a joy! :-)

Palenque Piggy


tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
> Is there a website where I can see some of your father´s paintings?
>
I am having difficulties getting as much of my father's paintings
together for a shoot, in fact, I also want to show them in a Philippine
gallery where most of them had been done.

>
>>I learned more from my father than when I went to school. But school
>>gave me continous practice.
>
>
> Good thing you had BOTH.
>
>
>>I never heard of Frida Kahlo unitl I met a young art student from
>>Mexico, I was coming from Costa Rica and she sat beside me when we
>>stopped by Mexico City.
>>She spoke about her and her life, I think I was drunk then and cannot
>>help tears from welling up my eyes.
>
>
> I think you need not necessarily be drunk to be touched by Frida Kahlo´s
> life. And like her life, her paintings are full of intensity. Here self
> portraits always evoke lots of emotions in me.
>
I feel for her, the physical pain and emotional pains. Diego RIvera can
be an ass, and he was famous for that.

> She wanted to write and do a story
>
>>on Frida, later on I discovered she is Selma Hayek, been to L.A. many
>>times but at the time she got accepted in one of L.A.'s School.
>
>
> So she really was prepared to play that roll. Good thing.
>

It seems like it was a lifelong ambition.


>
>>The movie did not make money, but I liked it.
>
>
> I still didn´t see it, but it is on my "to see list". And I heared the sound
> track of that movie - although I rarely listen to anything but OPM these
> days, I like this kind of music! :-)
>

I liked the little animations that was done throughout the movie, using
traditional Mexican dolls, and things... also to enhance Kahlo's
surrealistic visions.


>
>>Yes, mural works in Pinas are mostly done in Diego Rivera's style.
>
>
>
> The Philippines-Mexico-connection is still alive. What a joy! :-)
>
> Palenque Piggy
>
>

Unfortunately, most Filipinos does not know that this Mexico-Philippine
connection is in the arts, music and dances. And fashion as well. In
fact, people has no idea who is original between the two culture that
came out of it.

Sylvia Knörr

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"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Sylvia Knörr wrote:

> > Is there a website where I can see some of your father´s paintings?

> I am having difficulties getting as much of my father's paintings
> together for a shoot, in fact, I also want to show them in a Philippine
> gallery where most of them had been done.

Why is it difficult to get them together? Are they in private hands?


> > I think you need not necessarily be drunk to be touched by Frida Kahlo´s

> > life. And like her life, her paintings are full of intensity. Her self


> > portraits always evoke lots of emotions in me.

> I feel for her, the physical pain and emotional pains. Diego RIvera can
> be an ass, and he was famous for that.

Seems that bad flaws are the downside of extreme talent.
As for Frida Kahlo, the good thing is that she was never just a victim, she
was very strong and knew how to fight.

> >>Yes, mural works in Pinas are mostly done in Diego Rivera's style.

> > The Philippines-Mexico-connection is still alive. What a joy! :-)

> Unfortunately, most Filipinos does not know that this Mexico-Philippine


> connection is in the arts, music and dances. And fashion as well. In
> fact, people has no idea who is original between the two culture that
> came out of it.


Does it matter who is original? The Spaniards were the common link, hence
Mexico and the Philippines developed some parallel cultural traits. In both
cases I like the outcome better than the Spanish prototype, considering
music and arts. Spanish culture worked like a catalytic converter.

Fine Chemistry Piggy


tansong tumbaga

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Sylvia Knörr wrote:
> "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:w8fIc.9061$8R....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
>
>>>Is there a website where I can see some of your father´s paintings?
>
>
>>I am having difficulties getting as much of my father's paintings
>>together for a shoot, in fact, I also want to show them in a Philippine
>>gallery where most of them had been done.
>
>
> Why is it difficult to get them together? Are they in private hands?
>
My sister has some of them. A lot was in hands of Hollywood types who
has no idea who I am, I only want to borrow them for a shoot.

>
>
>>>I think you need not necessarily be drunk to be touched by Frida Kahlo´s
>>>life. And like her life, her paintings are full of intensity. Her self
>>>portraits always evoke lots of emotions in me.
>
>
>>I feel for her, the physical pain and emotional pains. Diego RIvera can
>>be an ass, and he was famous for that.
>
>
> Seems that bad flaws are the downside of extreme talent.
> As for Frida Kahlo, the good thing is that she was never just a victim, she
> was very strong and knew how to fight.
>
That is why I ended up liking her after learning about her. She spent a
lot of time in bed because of a bad back, from an accident. But she kept
on, working painting and writing. I learned that she wrote incessantly
about everything.

>
>>>>Yes, mural works in Pinas are mostly done in Diego Rivera's style.
>
>
>>>The Philippines-Mexico-connection is still alive. What a joy! :-)
>
>
>>Unfortunately, most Filipinos does not know that this Mexico-Philippine
>>connection is in the arts, music and dances. And fashion as well. In
>>fact, people has no idea who is original between the two culture that
>>came out of it.
>
>
>
> Does it matter who is original? The Spaniards were the common link, hence
> Mexico and the Philippines developed some parallel cultural traits. In both
> cases I like the outcome better than the Spanish prototype, considering
> music and arts. Spanish culture worked like a catalytic converter.
>
> Fine Chemistry Piggy
>
>

Only for posterity sake, nothing else.

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