Is Jesus the founder of the trinity?.
arah
The strongest evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible is
found in the First Epistle of John 5:7 and 8: "For there are three
that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in
earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these agree in
one." This is still present in the King James Version, authorized in
1611. But now this part, "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one," has been expunged in the latest King James
Version and other newer translated Bibles. I John 5:7-8 in the New
American Standard Bible reads as follows: "And it is the Spirit who
bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that
bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three
are in agreement." Also in the New World Translation of the Holy
Scriptures used by Jehovah's witnesses you will find: "For there are
three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the
three are in agreement." The New International Version of the Holy
Bible prints: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water
and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
It was a gloss that had encroached on the Greek text. The Trinity is
not Biblical. The word Trinity is not found in any Bible, not even in
Bible dictionaries, was never taught by Jesus and never mentioned by
him or any other Prophet (pbut). There is no basis or proof in the
Bible whatsoever for the acceptance of the Trinity. Matthew 28:19
still contains the following: "..., baptizing them in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." If you are invited by
three persons, it does not mean that they are one.
The formulation of the Trinity by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon was
in 325 AD, i.e. more than three centuries after Jesus (pbuh) had left.
No doubt Roman paganism had influence in this doctrine, the triune
god; Sabbath was shifted to Sunday; December 25 which was the birthday
of their sun-god Mithra, was introduced as Jesus' birthday, although
the Bible clearly predicted and forbade the decoration of Christmas
tree in Jeremiah 10:2-5: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of
the heathen, and be not dismayed at the sign of heaven; for the
heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain:
for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work in the hands of the
workman, with the ax. The deck it with silver and with gold, the
fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are
upright as the palm tree but speak not: they must be born because they
cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither
also is it in them to do good."
Unlike Islam, when the pagans embraced Islam, they could not introduce
paganism into Islam but they had to change their life style to fit
into it. So Islam remained as a pure teaching of Allah Almighty
through His Messenger Muhammad (pbuh).
But the Roman pagans mold Christianity to fit their life style. The
Roman Julian calendar introduced as the Christian era, pork not
prohibited, circumcision abolished by Paul (Galatians 5:2): "Behold, I
Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you
nothing."
There are Unitarian Churches which do not believe in the Trinity but
they use the same Bibles supporting Trinity like the King James
Version of 1611. Are they not confused? Many Christians can not get
rid of the Trinity as they are always taught: "The Father is God, the
Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God. There are no three Gods but one
God." We Muslims believe that the Holy Ghost is the Angel Gabriel.
This has been overlooked in the Bible for almost 2000 years.
Compare:Matthew 1:18: Luke 1:26-27:
Matthew 1:18:
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother
Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found
with the child of the Holy Ghost. And in the sixth month the angel
Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a
virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David;
and the virgin's name was Mary.
Luke 1:26-27:
And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city
of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name
was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Is it not crystal clear here that the Holy Ghost is the angel
Gabriel?
The Holy Qur'an, which came about 300 years after the Doctrine of the
Trinity was established, condemned it in Surah 4:171: "...Three
(trinity), Cease: (it is) better for you: For Allah is (the only) One
God, Glory be to him above having a son ..." But the Christian world
needed almost 2000 years to remove this erroneous evidence from their
Holy Bible. We salute them for coming closer to the truth. Surah 17:81
states: "And say (O Muhammad): Truth (i.e. Islam) has come and
falsehood (disbelief) has vanished. Surely! Falsehood is ever bound to
vanish."
Church doctrines vs. the bible.
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/doctrineVSbible.html#TrinityDoctrine
Ira IRa IRA Humperdink MD
toilet paper, muslim whore!!
> Church doctrines vs. the bible.http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/doctrineVSbible.html#TrinityDoct...
The Cynic
"arah" <arah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is Jesus the founder of the trinity?
Which Jesus are you talking about? I was in Manila several years ago and
found many Jesuses there. I heard in Mexico also there are many Jesuses.
BTW, you haven't answered to the queries I raised in another post.
joek...@gmail.com
>
> Unlike Islam, when the pagans embraced Islam, they could not introduce
> paganism into Islam but they had to change their life style to fit
> into it. So Islam remained as a pure teaching of Allah Almighty
> through His Messenger Muhammad (pbuh).
LIAR you stole their black rock and built a religion around it- evn
used their Moon God as your own- in fact most of Islam came from
earlier pagans!
So why do you car bombing rock worshippers still spam other groups? Is
it for the same reason you attack other religions? Because you have no
faith in your own teachings???
arah
> "arah" <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
My dear Cynic,
Thank you for your queries.
What is more important is that do believe that there is a Creator who
create the heaven, the earth and the creatures?
.
God have mention in the Quran the number of days the earth and heaven
being created- 6 days. This was sent down to the Arab tribes 1400years
ago.
The scientist will find it sooner or latter what 6 days or 6 period
means ie 1500 light yrs or 5000 light years etc.
Why not get a translation of the Quran by Yusoof Ali and read it.
There are many more new scientific facts in the Quran, eventhough
Quran is not a book of science.
filup
>
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What has circumcision to do with the doctrine of the Trinity.?
Nothing. Paul asked the early church to do away with the demand that
Gentiles be circumcised in order to become Christians. But he
continued to support circumcision for those of Jewish heritage. Note
Acts, chap. 16. It is also a sign taken at the naming of Jesus. It is
an outward manifestation of the inner spiritual circumcision of the
heart.
Is circumcision necessary for non-Jews. In a religious sense, No. But
it is a choice for parents to make for their infant sons.
And it is a choice for uncircumcised adolescents and men to make for
themselves. The benefits are clear. Circumcision is done in the USA
and elsewhere for medical or aesthetic considerations or for
simplified hygiene. It is a first line of defense against STDs and
against the HIV virus carried by a woman when a male has intercourse
with her. The scientific and medical findings cannot be denied or
spun.
I am a Protestant. For the last 100 years every male in our family has
been circumcised. I am very glad I am. My sexual life cannot be
better.
enterprise
your trolling, because nobody believes anything you have to say. Go to
your local market place and spread this teaching of yours to your own
miserable people.
H Dickmann
"arah" <arah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is Jesus the founder of the trinity?.
A Catholic is a person made of 3 parts: body, mind and soul. You on the
other hand cover up your body, have half a mind and no soul.
The Cynic
> On Feb 22, 9:02 pm, "The Cynic" <kosong...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "arah" <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1172133592.1...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Is Jesus the founder of the trinity?
>>
>> Which Jesus are you talking about? I was in Manila several years ago and
>> found many Jesuses there. I heard in Mexico also there are many Jesuses.
>>
>> BTW, you haven't answered to the queries I raised in another post.
>
> My dear Cynic,
>
> Thank you for your queries.
>
> What is more important is that do believe that there is a Creator who
> create the heaven, the earth and the creatures?
When something comes into existence, it must be a product of other forces.
So who created the creator?
> God have mention in the Quran the number of days the earth and heaven
> being created- 6 days. This was sent down to the Arab tribes 1400years
> ago.
Six days? Is it not 8 days which I found in a website.
Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly say that God created "the heavens
and the earth" in six days. But then there is also the following passage:
2 Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in TWO Days
And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
+
He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it,
and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things
4 to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR Days
in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky,
and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth:
"Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly."
They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
+
2 So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO Days,
and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command.
And We adorned the lower heaven with lights,
and (provided it) with guard.
Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.
-- Sura 41:9-12 (Yusuf Ali)
= 8 altogether these are EIGHT Days.
> The scientist will find it sooner or latter what 6 days or 6 period
> means ie 1500 light yrs or 5000 light years etc.
Regardless of the number of days, in what year (estimated) was the earth
created?
> Why not get a translation of the Quran by Yusoof Ali and read it.
> There are many more new scientific facts in the Quran, eventhough
> Quran is not a book of science.
New scientific facts? Can you elaborate?
The Cynic
<joek...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Tut tut. Never scold them. Talk logic which they will not understand.
joek...@gmail.com
> <joeke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
ah but if they don't understand then you might as well be talking to a
rock- just as they do 8 P
the Cunt of Saint Mary of Nazareth
religion , until the disputes between the Arian Christians and the
Roman Christians .
Arian Christians believed there were 3 separate gods , which the
Germans Goths, and other tribes were worshipping , but the Roman
Christians wanted every one to follow their mono-theist God,
that was why the Roman invented th Trinity, in order to fool
every one .
but some said that the Trinity was invented by a person
called Tertulius in the second century /.
all in all ,
God the father loved to fucke St Mary 's cunt .
God the son also loved to fuck St . Mary's cunt .
God the Holy Ghost also loved to fuck St . Mary' s cunt .
> Church doctrines vs. the bible.http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/doctrineVSbible.html#TrinityDoct...
H Dickmann
"the Cunt of Saint Mary of Nazareth" <vea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> there was no such thing as the Trinity in the Christian
> religion , until the disputes between the Arian Christians and the
> Roman Christians .
>
> Arian Christians believed there were 3 separate gods , which the
> Germans Goths, and other tribes were worshipping , but the Roman
> Christians wanted every one to follow their mono-theist God,
> that was why the Roman invented th Trinity, in order to fool
> every one .
>
> but some said that the Trinity was invented by a person
> called Tertulius in the second century /.
>
> all in all ,
> God the father loved to fucke St Mary 's cunt .
>
> God the son also loved to fuck St . Mary's cunt .
>
> God the Holy Ghost also loved to fuck St . Mary' s cunt .
>
My first impulse was to rebuke you, but one has to feel sorry for people who
are intellectually handicapped.
Riglin
"filup" <dms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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How do you know the uncircumcised sexual life is not even better? ;-)
arah
Do you agree with me that Paul is a murderer?
Do you agree with me that Paul is not a disciple of Jesus?
So why follow Paul and disobey the teaching of Jesus?
> > > Church doctrines vs. the bible.http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/doctrineVSbible.html#TrinityDoct...Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What has circumcision to do with the doctrine of the Trinity.?
> Nothing. Paul asked the early church to do away with the demand that
> Gentiles be circumcised in order to become Christians. But he
> continued to support circumcision for those of Jewish heritage. Note
> Acts, chap. 16. It is also a sign taken at the naming of Jesus. It is
> an outward manifestation of the inner spiritual circumcision of the
> heart.
>
> Is circumcision necessary for non-Jews. In a religious sense, No. But
> it is a choice for parents to make for their infant sons.
> And it is a choice for uncircumcised adolescents and men to make for
> themselves. The benefits are clear. Circumcision is done in the USA
> and elsewhere for medical or aesthetic considerations or for
> simplified hygiene. It is a first line of defense against STDs and
> against the HIV virus carried by a woman when a male has intercourse
> with her. The scientific and medical findings cannot be denied or
> spun.
>
> I am a Protestant. For the last 100 years every male in our family has
> been circumcised. I am very glad I am. My sexual life cannot be
> better.- Hide quoted text -
Ronald Moshki
No.
Better than following your Muslim shit head !
> > > > Church doctrines vs. the bible.http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/doctrineVSbible.html#TrinityDoct...quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > What has circumcision to do with the doctrine of the Trinity.?
> > Nothing. Paul asked the early church to do away with the demand that
> > Gentiles be circumcised in order to become Christians. But he
> > continued to support circumcision for those of Jewish heritage. Note
> > Acts, chap. 16. It is also a sign taken at the naming of Jesus. It is
> > an outward manifestation of the inner spiritual circumcision of the
> > heart.
>
> > Is circumcision necessary for non-Jews. In a religious sense, No. But
> > it is a choice for parents to make for their infant sons.
> > And it is a choice for uncircumcised adolescents and men to make for
> > themselves. The benefits are clear. Circumcision is done in the USA
> > and elsewhere for medical or aesthetic considerations or for
> > simplified hygiene. It is a first line of defense against STDs and
> > against the HIV virus carried by a woman when a male has intercourse
> > with her. The scientific and medical findings cannot be denied or
> > spun.
>
> > I am a Protestant. For the last 100 years every male in our family has
> > been circumcised. I am very glad I am. My sexual life cannot be
> > better.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
joek...@gmail.com
> Dear filup
>
> Do you agree with me that Paul is a murderer?
No and you've never even tried to prove that crazy claim!
> Do you agree with me that Paul is not a disciple of Jesus?
again no and you never proved it.
> So why follow Paul and disobey the teaching of Jesus?
again... it's the Muslims that disobey his teachings.
fuzzy dick
I do know uncircumcised fuzzdicks are polite; hats off at the entrance,
on at the exit.
Fuzzy Duck
dem...@hotmail.com
Victal
> Is Jesus the founder of the trinity?.
ÉVANGILE SELON JEAN:
1.1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
1.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that
was made.
1.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
1.5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
1.6 There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.
1.7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all
[men] through him might believe.
1.8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
1.9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the
world.
1.10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew
him not.
1.11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
1.12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons
of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
1.13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the
will of man, but of God.
1.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
truth.
1.15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I
spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
ÉVANGILE SELON JEAN:
14.17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it
seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with
you, and shall be in you.
14.18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
14.19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me:
because I live, ye shall live also.
14.20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and
I in you.
>--
« Il n'existe pas de nuit assez profonde pour arrêter un rayon de
lumière et pourtant le vide ne s'éclaire pas; la lumière ne prend
corps que dans l'oil qui la reçoit »
Extrait de sous-Bois d'A.G.
joek...@gmail.com
SNIP
James Cammeron of the film "Titanic" fame...
claims that they've found Jesus' real grave and that he lived after
the crucifixtion (sp?) and married Mary Magdelene etc... claims DNA
can prove it and had a 90 minute film to show.... anyone seen it
yet????
Hejtman - Slobo - Varman
you have no reply .
you have no counter argument .
you must have a superiorrity complex ,
when was the Trinity invented ? according to you Cock man ?
On Feb 24, 11:56 am, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "the Cunt of Saint Mary of Nazareth" <veak...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1172286485....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >> bible.http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/doctrineVSbible.html#TrinityDoct...- Hide quoted text -
roger_...@yahoo.co.uk
> found in the First Epistle of John 5:7 and 8:
In the opinion of whom?
The New Testament teaches that
1. There is only one God, the Father
2. That Jesus is God
3. That Jesus is not the Father.
The Trinity is merely a summary of that.
> It was a gloss that had encroached on the Greek text. The Trinity is
> not Biblical.
Non sequitur.
> The formulation of the Trinity by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon
It is unfortunate that Moslems don't seem to check their facts. The
formula was defined by Tertullian, ca. 215 AD, in "Adversus Praxean".
> was in 325 AD, i.e. more than three centuries after Jesus (pbuh) had left.
Factual error leading to unfortunate conclusion.
> No doubt Roman paganism had influence in this doctrine, the triune
> god; Sabbath was shifted to Sunday; December 25 which was the birthday
> of their sun-godMithra, was introduced as Jesus' birthday
None of these statements are correct.
> Unlike Islam, when the pagans embraced Islam, they could not introduce
> paganism into Islam but they had to change their life style to fit
> into it.
This was true of Christianity. Whether it is true of Islam we don't
know, but doubt rather.
> But the Roman pagans mold Christianity to fit their life style.
In what way?
> The Roman Julian calendar introduced as the Christian era,
The Christian era was imposed on the Julian Calendar!
> pork not prohibited
Jesus did not prohibit pork.
> circumcision abolished by Paul (Galatians 5:2):
Nope. Paul only taught what Jesus taught.
> There are Unitarian Churches which do not believe in the Trinity
There are supposed churches who believe sodomy is a blessing. Any
number of people tell lies.
> Is it not crystal clear here that the Holy Ghost is the angel
> Gabriel?
Nope.
> The Holy Qur'an, which came about 300 years after the Doctrine of the
> Trinity was established, condemned it in Surah 4:171:
I.e. 600 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Unlike Islam, Christianity relies on reason to persuade.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
the Cunt of Saint Mary of Nazareth
the Trinity = God the Father + God the Son + God the Holy Ghost .
Tertulian was invented by others , Tertulian 's Trinity was a later
invention .
God the Father fucked St, Mary's cunt,
God the Son fucked St, Mary's cunt,
God the Holy Ghost fucked St, Mary's cunt.
the Trinity fucked St. Mary 's stinky cunt .
TouchingU
was born.
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the Cunt of Saint Mary of Nazareth
earth, heaven and Man in Chinese philosophy was not a trinity ,
because Trinity is a concept of joint existence .
in Chinese philosophy Earth , heaven , and Man were each of
separate entities .
Trinity was invented by the Christian in Rome to counter argue
against the Arian Christians .
before that , Jesus Christ did not mention anything about the
Trinity, because there was no Trinity,
some others said the Greek Tertullian invented the Trinity around
200 AD , which might not be true.
But St. Mary did fuck with God the Father,God the Son , and God
the Holy fucking Ghost .
St , Mary also fucked with Jospeh and Joseph 's brother .
On Mar 9, 8:40 am, "TouchingU" <touchi...@touchstone.net> wrote:
> The trinity of heaven, earth and man was founded in China long before Jesus
> was born.
>
> <joeke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172535092.0...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 5:52 pm, "Victal" <victal...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > SNIP
>
> > James Cammeron of the film "Titanic" fame...
> > claims that they've found Jesus' real grave and that he lived after
> > the crucifixtion (sp?) and married Mary Magdelene etc... claims DNA
> > can prove it and had a 90 minute film to show.... anyone seen it
> > yet????- Hide quoted text -
Dirty Sick Pig
> The trinity of heaven, earth and man was founded in China long before Jesus
> was born.
I see. And in which Chinese province was Jesus born?
Hejtman - Slobo - Varman
there was no Trinity in China after Jesus Christ was borned ,
TouchingU is lying .
the Chinese had no concept of a Trinity .
On Mar 9, 8:40 am, "TouchingU" <touchi...@touchstone.net> wrote:
> The trinity of heaven, earth and man was founded in China long before Jesus
> was born.
>
> <joeke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172535092.0...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 5:52 pm, "Victal" <victal...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > SNIP
>
> > James Cammeron of the film "Titanic" fame...
> > claims that they've found Jesus' real grave and that he lived after
> > the crucifixtion (sp?) and married Mary Magdelene etc... claims DNA
> > can prove it and had a 90 minute film to show.... anyone seen it
Dirty Sick Pig
> the Chinese had no concept of a Trinity .
They do have a concept of the Delta Factor. See how they bred.....and
inbred.
Minkrabbit Pig
rst0...@yahoo.com
Yep, you'are a dirty sick potbelly pig alright.
>
> Minkrabbit Pig
Dirty Sick Pig
Why, THANK YOU! :)
DirtySickPotbelliedPig
arah
Islam has urged man to study and gain knowledge, because all sciences
will ultimately lead him to the truth about God. That is to say the
more the scientist acquires knowledge the more he gets to know God
beyond any doubt; and thus he fears God and follows all His orders and
instructions in all his actions. God says, in this respect:
Hast thou not seen how that God sends down out of heaven water
and therewith We bring forth fruits of diverse hues?
And in the mountains are streaks white and red ,of diverse hues,
and pitchy black,
men too, and beasts and cattle -diverse are their hues.
Even so only those of His servants
fear God who have knowledge; surely God is
All mighty; All - forgiving.[1]
In the "House of Imran, chapter 3 verse 2 God raises "men possessed of
knowledge "to the status of angels:
God bears witness that
there is no god but He --
and the angels, and men possessed of knowledge --
upholding justice,
there is no god but He,
the All - mighty, the All- wise.
In chapter 39 verse 9, God says that learned people and ignorant ones
are not equal:
سورة الزمS
Say "are they equal- those who know and
those who know not? Only men possessed
of minds remember.
While in "Sheba" (chapter 34 verse 6) God says:
Those who have given knowledge see
that what has been sent down to thee from thy
Lord is the truth, and guides to the path of
the All- mighty , the All- laudable.
The prestige and value of science and scientists is highly elevated in
The Holy Qur’an, because the more man gains knowledge the more he is
convinced that God is there. There is no wonder then, that the first
verse came down from heaven, is a clear invitation to read and write.
Chapter 96 opens with the following verses:
Recite. In the Name of thy Lord who created,
created Man of a blood clot[2]
Recite . And thy Lord is the Most Generous,
who taught by the Pen,
taught Man , that he Knew not.
God has given supreme status to science and scientists, because
through the different scientific knowledge, man gains faith in Allah.
He says:
……… only those of His servants
fear God who have Knowledge.[3]
God also orders us in The Holy Qur’an to meditate and think profoundly
about His signs in heaven and on earth. He says:
سورة الجاثية الآيات 3 - 5
Surely in the heavens and the earth there are signs
for the believers;
and in your creation,
and the crawling things He scattered abroad, there are signs
for people having sure faith
and in the alternation of night and day
and the provision God sends down from heaven,
and therewith revives the earth after it is dead,
and the turning about of the winds, there are signs
for a people who understand[4]
To glorify knowledge and writing God, in chapter 68 " The Pen" ,
swears by it in verse one:
سورة القلم الآيات 1 - 2
Nun
By the Pen, and what they inscribe
God praises scientists in many verses in The Holy Qur’an. Beside what
is already mentioned we find in " The House of Imran " in two
different places God tells us who are the men of knowledge? They are
who worship God and meditate deeply and think profoundly about his
creation:
سورة آل عمران الآيات 190-191
Surely in the creation of heavens and earth
and in the alternation of night and day
there are signs for men possessed of minds
who remember God, standing and sitting
and on their sides, and reflect upon
the creation of the heavens and the earth:
"Our Lord, Thou hast not created this for
vanity. Glory be to Thee! Guard us against
the chastisement of the Fire …." [5]
In "The House of Imran " chapter 3 verse 7 God also says
سورة آل عمران الآية 7
:It is He, who sent down upon them the Book,
wherein are verses clear that are the Essence
of the Book, and others ambiguous.
As those in whose hearts is swerving
they follow the ambiguous part, desiring
dissension, and desiring its interpretation,
and none knows its interpretation, save
only God. And those firmly rooted in
knowledge say, "We believe in it, all
is from our Lord," yet none remembers, but men
possessed of minds.
In chapter 29 verse 49, God says:
سورة العنكبوت الآية 49
Nay, rather it is signs, clear signs
in the breasts of those who have been given
knowledge, and none denies Our signs but
the evildoers
Prophet Mohammed’s tradition, "sunna", is rich and clear in advocating
all kinds of knowledge whether it is religious or scientific.
I will quote a few of his sayings from "Prophet of Islam Muhammad and
some of His Traditions," by Ismail
Kashmiri:
1) Scientists are the inheritors of Prophets.
2) The acquisition of knowledge is a duty incumbent on every
Muslim, male and female.
3) Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave.
4) He who leaves his home in search for knowledge walks on the
path of Allah.
5) If Allah likes someone to be good, He makes him understand
and learn. Certainly knowledge is the result of learning.
In Islam there is no contradiction between science and religion. On
the contrary, there is a healthy close and balanced relationship
between them both. In Islam there is a balance between the heart and
the mind, between what is spiritual and ethereal and what is real and
down to earth. A divine balance that gives each its due.
In this respect Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book, "The Bible, The
Qur'an and Science: The Holy Scriptures Examined in the Light of
Modern Knowledge," says:
The association between the Qur'an and science
is a priori a surprise, especially since it is going
to be one of harmony and not of discord.
He goes on saying:
The Qur’an, while inviting us to cultivate science,
itself contains many observations on natural
phenomena and includes explanatory details,
which are seen to be in total agreement with
modern scientific data.
The greatness and strength of The Holy Qur’an lies in the fact that
the more science progresses the more it reveals the authenticity and
truth of what was written more than 1400 years ago when the whole
world was deeply slumbering in the darkness of ignorance.
I do not mean that The Holy Qur’an could be proved by anything outside
Itself, God forbid, but science makes what has been obscure to us
clear like daylight. Science, in this way, is a means of
clarification, and it strengthens and renews one's faith and makes one
fears God The Almighty.
The Holy Qur’an stimulated the early Muslims to study the different
sciences side by side with Islamic religious studies. Dr. Morad
Hofmann [6] the ambassador of Germany to Rabat says in this respect,
that the thirst for knowledge accompanied with the readiness of the
Muslim to use his brain, had been the basis for flourishing the
Islamic scientific studies. He goes on enumerating early fourteen
Muslim scientists who had enriched the world scientific studies:
1) Ben Fernass (died in 888) to him is attributed the first
attempt at using the air as a means of travelling.
2) Al -Khawarizmi (died in 846) who invented the science of
Algebra; and from his name the world "Logarithm” is taken.
3) Ebn Bakr El Razy (864 –935) whose book of medicine remained a
reference book for the students of medicine in the European
Universities for many centuries.
4) The Philosopher and doctor Ibnsina (Avicenna) (980-1037) whose
medical encyclopedia remained in use in the European Institutes and
Universities up till the 19th century.
5) Ibn El Hytham (965-1039) the inventor of what is called the
dark room in optics.
6) El Bayrouni (973-1050). He was a historian of science, man of
politics who learned astronomy, mineralogy, pharmacology and other
sciences.
7) Omar El Khayam (died in 1211) the great poet who excelled in
mathematics, astronomy and other sciences.
8) Ibn Rushd (Averroes) (1126-1198) The philosophers whose
comments on Aristotle deeply affected the development of philosophy in
Europe. Besides, it was he who discovered the black spots in the sun.
9) Ibn Alnafis (died in 1288) The Egyptian doctor - who
discovered the blood circulation.
10) Ibn Battoutta ((1304-1377) the traveler who could be compared to
Marco Polo.
11) Ibn Khaldoon (1332-1406) He truly deserves to be considered the
initiator of Social science. In his book about history on modern
basis, he referred to historical documents and criticized them.
12) Berry Rayers (1480-1553). The Turkish geographer and admiral who
drew accurate marine maps that still earn admiration.
13) The sailor and discoverer, Ahmed Ben Magid, who was the mayor of
sailors and their reference in sailing in the 15th century.
14) The marine scientist, Sidy Aly Rayess (died in 1562) who surveyed
the Asian shores and helped in developing the astronomical sailing
science.
Dr. Morad Hofmann goes on saying that this brief list of Muslim
scientists shows that the West did not inherit the Hellenic culture,
but it was the Muslims in the East who had inherited, developed and
added to the Hellenic culture.
In "The Scientific Implication in The Holy Qur’an" the writer says
that at the beginning of Islam, the first Muslims truly understood The
Holy Qur'an. They took it as a divine order to study seriously and
profoundly the different sciences concerning the universe and this
world as a part of an indivisible whole. Anatomy and curative
treatment was another branch of science studied carefully by Muslim
scientists, as well as all other branches of science. This Divine
order was an incentive to Muslim scientists to excel in them [7]
In his book Dr. Maurice Bucaille says that:
----- at the height of Islam, between the eighth and twelfth centuries
A.D. at a time when restrictions on scientific development were in
force in the Christian world, a very large number of studies and
discoveries were being made at Islamic Universities. It was there that
the remarkable cultural resources of the time were to be found. The
Calif's Library at Cordoba contained 400,000 volumes …Greek, Indian
and Persian sciences were taught. This is why scholars from all over
Europe went to study at Cordoba, just as today people go to the United
States to perfect their studies. A very great number of ancient
manuscripts have come down to us thanks to cultivated Arabs who acted
as the vehicle for the culture of conquered countries. We are also
greatly indebted to Arabic culture for mathematics (algebra was an
Arabic invention) astronomy, physics (optics), geology, botany,
medicine etc.
When man excels in the scientific subjects his belief in his Creator
would emanate from true thinking and understanding. His prayer and
prostration to God would be humble and filled with awe to the Mighty
and Powerful yet Merciful and Compassionate Creator of man and the
universe.
Scientists, in this way, would be as prophet Mohammed, prayers and
peace may be upon him, says "scientists are the inheritors of
Prophets." That is why God raises the scientists to the status of
prophets, because they are able to prove God's existence in a
materialistic world that gives the upper hand to worldly wealth and
power:
سورة آل عمران الآية 18
God bears witness that
there is no god but He -----
and the angels ,and men possessed of knowledge---
Chapter 3 verse 18.
The integration of the various verses that deal with a certain
universal phenomenon appeal to the ordinary person by their highly
artistic style, and at the same time the scrutinizing scientist could
find in them what satisfies his art and thought.
As for denying the existence of God, it is but a denial of the human
brain and healthy thinking; and a sick deviation from the
straightforward path that leads to worldly peace and everlasting
happiness.
Extract from
http://www.thedaughterofthenile.com/Main.htm#_Toc68859546
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My dear Cynic.
Islam has urged man to study and gain knowledge, because all sciences
will ultimately lead him to the truth about God. That is to say the
more the scientist acquires knowledge the more he gets to know God
beyond any doubt; and thus he fears God and follows all His orders and
instructions in all his actions. God says, in this respect:
Hast thou not seen how that God sends down out of heaven water
***Superstitious: Rain is send down out of heaven by god.
***Knowledge: We all learned it in primary school how rain is form.
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again with the lies already disproven... typical muslim!
Ira IRa IRA Humperdink MD
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> ***Superstitious: Rain is send down out of heaven by god.
> ***Knowledge: We all learned it in primary school how rain is form.
Rain are the tears of all the virgins promised by Allah to homicidal
bombers to rape at their leisure.
Allah is dumb. He could have gotten more results by promising sheep and
goats. They are fun for ragheads than all the virgins in islamic hell.
ALLAH AKBAR! Piss Be Upon Her!