The Philippines when the weather's great! : Tricycle, Jeepney, Bus
Isla Maia
nightmare for me. Traffic was so bad. Bumper to bumper. Haay naku. And what
normally would take less than 20 minutes between two close points, ended up
almost a 2-hour torturous wait with everyone else in the same position.
I had to rush to the doctor one day, and his clinic was in the region of the
MMDA which was just across EDSA from my Tita's place in Boni. I managed to
hail a taxi to get there, but returning, no taxi was in sight and as I
walked over to EDSA, the sight of all these convoluted lanes of cars, SUVs,
bus, jeepneys all packed enmashed together made me think, right, instead of
a mere 25 pesos fare, I'm going to have to dole out 300 pesos if I'm even
lucky enough to catch a cab back.
My little niece, a young nurse student of 16 who was with me (I don't know
why mothers will never change, and why someone at my age has to be
chaperoned around Manila by a 16-year old!) waited by my side worriedly,
knowing we had to return quickly to my Tita's as we're expected to join a
pretty massive family gathering that evening. The traffic didn't look as
though it would yield an available taxi for us, and this definitely didn't
seem likely to happen for a few hours.
Traffic did move though, but the buses in the bus lane close to the
pedestrian walk seemed to fare better than the rest of the vehicles outside
of this dangerous lane. (Bus drivers in the Philippines drive like they're
all frustrated Formula One racers.) I eyed a few of these racky tin shack
contraption and thought a bit, then turned to my niece and said, "Darling,
(and mind you, that's her Christian name just as Precious is the Christian
name of another Filipina girlfriend), do you think any of these buses will
take us any closer to Boni?"
"Opo, ate," replies Darling, "they'll all lead us there."
"Alright then, choose one and we'll get inside."
Darling looked at me wide-eyed and surprised, "Ate?! You want to ride a
bus?!"
"Yeah," I said, my eyes fixed on the buses coming at us and trying to see
which one was in good condition, "what's wrong with that?"
"Ah, kasi ... baka ang mommy mo ... ahhh ... e ... wala ... sige ... Ate!
Ate! this one coming is okay, it goes to Boni!" Darling chose a really lousy
one. Old, no air-condition, but off we sprinted after it, and up we hopped
in and in I went with her looking for an available seat. There were a couple
not next to each other, but across each other, and not quite to the back but
almost there, and plonk on the seats we did, and zoom we went.
The windows were all open, everyone was focused either at the view outside
or at this conductor woman not in uniform coming at us with a fan of peso
notes sticking out between the fingers of one hand. I asked Darling how much
I had to give and started to feel around my jean pocket for notes. "It's
four pesos each, Ate."
Four pesos! Cool!
I gave her eight, and then saw we were pretty close to the overhead walkway
that linked Boni avenue close to Pioneer road.
"Darling! Tell them to stop!" I called out.
I think that was the wrong thing to instruct this young girl to do because
this girl doesn't have a voice for yelling and as it turned out, the bus
zoomed past our drop point and went further on. Darling panicked "Ma-ma!
Ma-ma!" she seemed to say, I really couldn't hear anything.
Then she took this tiny centavos and started to tap it on the iron frame of
the seat in front of her. I looked at her strangely. Weird niece. Didn't
even make any noise loud enough for anyone to hear.
Then surprisingly, this guy in front of her which back seat iron frame she
was tapping start to tap the iron frame of the seat in front of him and
everyone soon start to tap something or do something to get the driver or
the conductor's attention.
We finally caught their attention, and we ended up getting dropped off at
Crossing, a bit of a distance away from Boni.
Once off, Darling looked at me wondering what to do next. "Find a taxi." I
told her, there were a few taxis parked but none of them seemed to be in the
mood to take passengers, and it later dawned on me that it was a resting
terminal for them.
"Is there a jeep that goes to Boni from here?" I asked Darling after seeing
quite a number around.
"Opo, ate, that one over there goes to Boni."
"Good, let get on it." And off we went, standing in line with the rest of
the women and children getting on (funny there were no men in that
particular jeepney line) until we were finally ushered in and packed all
together in the seats on both side of the jeep. Pretty dark it was too, and
no one looked at each other directly, just around and everywhere but no
direct eye contact.
Darling said the fare was four pesos again per passenger, so that wasn't too
bad.
We finally managed to get to Boni and my Tita's place with some time to
spare, then Darling went around telling everyone that she didn't know I
could ride buses and jeepneys.
My mom went a little funny and started to ask if I had my watch on, my
earrings, my bracelets, my cellphone - there were many snatchers around and
it's dangerous to take the public transportation.
I told her no, I didn't look like an accomplished business executive, I made
sure I was dressed in old jeans and tees (yes, old indeed, wore them four
days straight too!) and no, I didn't wear my jewelleries, watch and dangled
my cellphone on these neck straps. I didn't carry a wallet, just stuffed
money into my jean pocket and carried nothing.
But it was great actually, to think you can take the public transporation in
the Philippines without anyone realising you normally take the train, metro
and cab in Paris. And those are worlds apart.
Anything to beat the traffic and keep the holiday spirits up!
--isla maia
Back in cold pahree ... brrrr!
Mo Silidonio
along EDSA? Sounds like the traffic engineers really did a screwed up job of
designing this system. I haven't seen it except in internet news.
kurakot
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> My little niece, a young nurse student of 16 who was with me (I don't know
> why mothers will never change, and why someone at my age has to be
> chaperoned around Manila by a 16-year old!) waited by my side worriedly,
>
> --isla maia
> Back in cold pahree ... brrrr!
============================
so many hoodlums and petty crooks over there. most scary are the shabu
addicts.
your mom is right. it's not a good thing to go around manila alone.
kurakot
actually MMDA boss (bayani mercado?former mayor of marikina) is doing a good
job. bus jeepney drivers and locals listens to him
i cannot believe it at first but its true he is making an impact on selected
areas.. even the meanest tabloid has nothing but praises
for this guy.......unreal
mind you some of his flood and traffic initiatives are being shot or slowed
down because there are INGGETERO MAYORS/COUNCILLORS/CONGRESSMAN/SENATORS who
suspects he is GRANDSTANDING....
fotang na.....mga sira ulo talaga ang mga hayup na 'yan ang gumagawa ng
tama eh sinisira at yung mga magnanakaw pinupuri..
but yeah bayani is one the few who can really make things happen. someday he
should consider running for prez
i'll give this guy a TEN
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Renowl
the bus it pisses off the conductors because whenever i sit , the 3 person
bench is now only good for 2 . its not my fault that i ate my spinach and
others too ../ hehehe
kurakot
of the cidg crooks and will not pay him. he said my outfit and sunglasses
made him a bit edgy. let me tell you his nervousness made me a bit nervous
too i thought he was going to rob me..
abay akoy natakot rin
inakow !
k
happy and prosperous 2004
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kurakot
Lacson is trying to get him on board as VP
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Isla Maia
<kur...@canada.com> wrote:
well if it's during the day and not at night, it's okay i guess. i thought
it would be good to do this as the french film crew i have covers manila for
documentary programmes, filming and living life among the locals, and they
don't think twice to take public transportation instead of being driven
about like vips. i wanted to see if it was really risky, and the opportunity
came the last time i visited.
it's okay, so long as you don't try to look rich and snobbish, flash
jewellery around, carry a good watch (i take mine off completely), or show
your cellphone.
--isla maia
Just JT
Sabi ni "Isla Maia" <isla...@yahoo.fr>:
>
> it's okay, so long as you don't try to look rich and snobbish, flash
> jewellery around, carry a good watch (i take mine off completely), or show
> your cellphone.
Hiya Ate V.,
A happy new year to you. I hope you are in Manila or whatabouts in July.
SCFer of the year Sebya, her equally gorgeous mate Anna, and I will
rendezvous there and perhaps you can join us while we partake of authentic
coconut pie, uraro biscuits, genuine Espasol and maybe even go sightseeing
around great uncle Jose Rizal's hometown and of course the legendary city of
Tagaytay.
Let me share my experiences with Manila public transport specifically the
jeepney ride:
1. My first experience commuting alone was back in grade school. The short
jeepney fare back then was fifteen centavos back when six pesoses buys you
one American dollar. It was back then when I learned the various tricks in
how to get the attention of the jeepney driver. I first noticed then that
jeepney drivers are selectively deaf. They can hear the word "bayad"
(payment) loud and clear but cannot totally hear or understand the phrase
"násaan na ang suklî ko" (where is my change). Because of this I made it a
point to always bring with me exact change for the trips that I took.
2. I preferred sitting on the very edge of the backseats so I can hold on to
the railings when I frequently fall asleep during the ride. Sometimes it got
so bad that I wake up at the very end of the jeepney's route and the driver
had to wake up me. I just fell so comfy with the ride that I'd often fall
asleep.
3. My worst jeepney experience was when one bright Saturday morning I went
home totally smashed after spending the night at a college schoolmate's
house partaking of cake filled with cannabis. I was so out of my senses that
when I stopped the jeepney, I underestimated the velocity of the jeepney. I
set down while it was still moving and I nearly fell and got run over by the
car following the jeepney. Thank goodness for my cat quick reflexes back
then. I went home totally smashed and I was greeted at the door by my
maternal grandmother (the Almighty rest her soul). She noticed I didn't look
all right. She asked me if I were sick. I said I was just tired from my
school mate's overnight stay and I just needed some sleep. Good thing she
didn't recognise the smell of cannabis lest I was totally busted. It's been
over 20 years since I've had cannabis and that experience I shall never
forget.
4. The most fun place to ride is at the front right next to the jeepney
driver. When it gets too crowded I would put my left arm around the jeepney
driver and do my gay "twinkley eyes" routine. I'd start asking personal
questions to the driver: is he married with kids and so forth until the
driver is uncomfortable with my "advances." I would also be helpful and
reach with my free arm the fare from the backseat passengers and also sort
their change. I'd go, "Tulungan kitá sa suklian para makapagmaneho ka nang
mabuti" (I'll look after sorting the change so you can focus on your
driving). Man, the driver would be so uncomfy that he would have forgotten
that I haven't paid yet. Of course I did pay but I'd still ask to tease,
"bayad na ba ako" (have I paid yet.)
5. Back in high school, we'd have a lunch at my great aunt's house. We'd
take the jeepney during the lunch break. It was a short 3 km ride. I always
looked forward to catching this UST co-ed. She was meztisa looking, tall and
most of all she had the nicest undies I've ever seen then. I knew she
preferred coloured undies, sometimes they were pale yellow, pink or aqua
blue. I think UST co-eds have to wear light coloured undies to match their
all white unis. Man, she was hot but I was too timid back then to introduce
myself. Besides I was a high schooler and she was a college babe so she
might just laugh at me if I introduced myself.
I look forward to catching a jeepney ride or two again when I return there
in July. Maybe Sebya and Anna would like to try a jeepney trip also.
--
DalubLuckyMeIHaveNeverExperiencedAJeepneyHoldUp
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@HotMale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Hiya Ate V.,
>
> A happy new year to you. I hope you are in Manila or whatabouts in July.
> SCFer of the year Sebya, her equally gorgeous mate Anna, and I will
> rendezvous there and perhaps you can join us while we partake of authentic
> coconut pie, uraro biscuits, genuine Espasol and maybe even go sightseeing
> around great uncle Jose Rizal's hometown and of course the legendary city
of
> Tagaytay.
What do you think? Will three females be enough to talk JT to death? ;-)
> Let me share my experiences with Manila public transport specifically the
> jeepney ride:
<snip for brevity>
> I look forward to catching a jeepney ride or two again when I return there
> in July. Maybe Sebya and Anna would like to try a jeepney trip also.
Claro que sí! I think a jeepney ride is a MUST for every tourist! I also
appreciate the stories and tips for jeepney rides. What´s confusing me - is
a jeepney more like a bus (with fixed stations and a certain schedule) or
more like a taxi to be stopped everywhere?
Hitchhiker Piggy
Mo Silidonio
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>
> Claro que sí! I think a jeepney ride is a MUST for every tourist! I also
> appreciate the stories and tips for jeepney rides. What´s confusing me -
is
> a jeepney more like a bus (with fixed stations and a certain schedule) or
> more like a taxi to be stopped everywhere?
Although there are supposed to be "Jeepney Stops", these jeepneys stop
pretty much anywhere the passenger wants to get off. These jeepneys ply
regular routes usually intended to serve as arterial feeders to main
thoroughfares. Thus, one would take a bus along EDSA or light rail along
Rizal Avenue, get off at an intersection with a minor street and take a
jeepney to a smaller community or district.
The terminal ends of the jeepney route are indicated by the jeepney's
"signboard" usually painted all around the jeepney body (amid the artwork).
The signboard is sometimes a removable 3" x 6" sheet metal painted with the
letters spelling out the destination. These removable signboards are flashed
before intended passengers usually to indicate that the jeepney's intended
destination is something other than its normal terminal point (usually short
of it). This practice by the jeepney drivers is what they call "cutting
trip", is usually viewed as illegal.
The fare structure is determined by the distance travelled. The diligent
jeepney driver has a good memory; he knows exactly where each of his
passengers got on. The passenger hands the fare to the driver and announces
where he/she intends to get off. The driver determines how much the fare
will cost noting exactly where the passenger got on. The timing of payment
of fare is totally flexible; it can be at the moment of ingress or just
before getting off (thus the good memory helps). The considerate rider will
allow ample time before getting off to settle his fare so as the jeepney
will not be delayed and even have the exact fare on hand.
Just JT
>
> > A happy new year to you. I hope you are in Manila or whatabouts in July.
> > SCFer of the year Sebya, her equally gorgeous mate Anna, and I will
> > rendezvous there and perhaps you can join us while we partake of
authentic
> > coconut pie, uraro biscuits, genuine Espasol and maybe even go
sightseeing
> > around great uncle Jose Rizal's hometown and of course the legendary
city
> > of Tagaytay.
>
> What do you think? Will three females be enough to talk JT to death? ;-)
Should be no prob as long as three females don't SCREAM DIRECTLY TO MY EAR
all at the same time.
>
> Claro que sí! I think a jeepney ride is a MUST for every tourist! I also
> appreciate the stories and tips for jeepney rides. What´s confusing me -
is
> a jeepney more like a bus (with fixed stations and a certain schedule) or
> more like a taxi to be stopped everywhere?
--------------
As Mo' So' explained, it's a mass transport service like a train or a bus.
The differences are that there are less people that can fit in a bus than a
jeepney. Also payment is fare is purely based on honesty and integrity. No
jeepney tickets are issued as proof that you have paid your fare.
Whether making out is better in a jeepney or a bus, that is something I have
yet to find out.
--
DalubAndThereIsTheFXServiceWhichRequiresAWholeNewThreadAlTogether
Sylvia Knörr
"Mo Silidonio" <deletej...@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:btd8sc$l7n$01$2...@news.t-online.com...
> is
> > a jeepney more like a bus (with fixed stations and a certain schedule)
or
> > more like a taxi to be stopped everywhere?
> Although there are supposed to be "Jeepney Stops", these jeepneys stop
> pretty much anywhere the passenger wants to get off. These jeepneys ply
> regular routes usually intended to serve as arterial feeders to main
> thoroughfares. Thus, one would take a bus along EDSA or light rail along
> Rizal Avenue, get off at an intersection with a minor street and take a
> jeepney to a smaller community or district.
I see. And tricycles are probably for the short rides within a quarter or
so?
> The terminal ends of the jeepney route are indicated by the jeepney's
> "signboard" usually painted all around the jeepney body (amid the
artwork).
> The signboard is sometimes a removable 3" x 6" sheet metal painted with
the
> letters spelling out the destination. These removable signboards are
flashed
> before intended passengers usually to indicate that the jeepney's intended
> destination is something other than its normal terminal point (usually
short
> of it). This practice by the jeepney drivers is what they call "cutting
> trip", is usually viewed as illegal.
Illegal? What´s wrong with it? I mean, if it´s their own vehicle, why can´t
they drive like they please?
> The fare structure is determined by the distance travelled. The diligent
> jeepney driver has a good memory; he knows exactly where each of his
> passengers got on. The passenger hands the fare to the driver and
announces
> where he/she intends to get off. The driver determines how much the fare
> will cost noting exactly where the passenger got on. The timing of
payment
> of fare is totally flexible; it can be at the moment of ingress or just
> before getting off (thus the good memory helps). The considerate rider
will
> allow ample time before getting off to settle his fare so as the jeepney
> will not be delayed and even have the exact fare on hand.
The question may be naive, but it is of interest for me: Do the jeepneys
have aircon or can the passengers open the windows?
Wind In Hair Piggy
Mo Silidonio
>
> I see. And tricycles are probably for the short rides within a quarter or
> so?
Exactly. They usually serve a small community, say a subdivision (housing
project), a gated community, etc.
>
> > The terminal ends of the jeepney route are indicated by the jeepney's
> > "signboard" usually painted all around the jeepney body (amid the
> artwork).
> > The signboard is sometimes a removable 3" x 6" sheet metal painted with
> the
> > letters spelling out the destination. These removable signboards are
> flashed
> > before intended passengers usually to indicate that the jeepney's
intended
> > destination is something other than its normal terminal point (usually
> short
> > of it). This practice by the jeepney drivers is what they call "cutting
> > trip", is usually viewed as illegal.
>
> Illegal? What´s wrong with it? I mean, if it´s their own vehicle, why
can´t
> they drive like they please?
If the jeepney turns back around to ply the opposite route, it lessens the
number of units running the rest of the original way thereby depriving those
who are waiting at that segment their timely transport. It really is a minor
infraction.
> The question may be naive, but it is of interest for me: Do the jeepneys
> have aircon or can the passengers open the windows?
The jeepney has openings for "windows" along its length at both sides. A few
have sliding acrylic glass panels, some have louvers, depending on the
creativity of its manufacturer or owner. When it rains, the sliding panel or
louvered jeepney simply closes them while the open-window has a rolled-up
polyethylene tarps that come down from the top then secured by pegs at
several points at the sides and bottoms.
Renowl
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@HotMale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> As Mo' So' explained, it's a mass transport service like a train or a bus.
> The differences are that there are less people that can fit in a bus than
a
> jeepney. Also payment is fare is purely based on honesty and integrity. No
> jeepney tickets are issued as proof that you have paid your fare.
Amazing that in a land where pick-pockets seem to be common, the payment of
fare is based on honesty.
> Whether making out is better in a jeepney or a bus, that is something I
have
> yet to find out.
> --
> DalubAndThereIsTheFXServiceWhichRequiresAWholeNewThreadAlTogether
What is FX Service?
Transportation Piggy
Mo Silidonio
>
> Amazing that in a land where pick-pockets seem to be common, the payment
of
> fare is based on honesty.
Even the pickpocket pros who ride those jeepneys pay their honest fare. They
are usually armed with razor-sharp blades which they use to slit purses and
pockets of other passengers to reach the loot.
Just JT
of
> fare is based on honesty.
If the pickpocket doesn't pay up, he'll be beaten to a pulp by a bunch of
jeepney drivers. It doesn't pay not to pay. :-)
>
> What is FX Service?
-------------
It's an Asian utility vehicle that allows 8 or so passengers. It's air
conditioned that's why it's popular. But it works like a jeepney because it
has a fixed route.
Public transport is becoming crazier in Manila with all these different
types of services. No wonder, traffic there is so bad.
--
DalubI'dTakeTheMRTIfICan
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de>:
> > Amazing that in a land where pick-pockets seem to be common, the payment
> of
> > fare is based on honesty.
> -----------
> If the pickpocket doesn't pay up, he'll be beaten to a pulp by a bunch of
> jeepney drivers. It doesn't pay not to pay. :-)
Seems the jeepney drivers act like taxi drivers.
> > What is FX Service?
> -------------
> It's an Asian utility vehicle that allows 8 or so passengers. It's air
> conditioned that's why it's popular. But it works like a jeepney because
it
> has a fixed route.
How many adult passengers fit in a jeepney?
> Public transport is becoming crazier in Manila with all these different
> types of services. No wonder, traffic there is so bad.
There´s no subway in Manila, right?
> --
> DalubI'dTakeTheMRTIfICan
MRT? What´s that? Manila Railroad Traffic?
Locomotive Piggy
Mo Silidonio
>
> How many adult passengers fit in a jeepney?
>
3 forward-facing front seats, including driver seat; and rear 2 rows of
sideways-facing bench seats with the entrance running board at the rear. The
rear bench seats can be built as short as to accomodate only 3 adults
sitting abreast on each side to as long as 10 abreast (some rare extended
benches sit 12 abreast). Thus the number of passengers range from 2+3+3=8,
to 2+10+10=22.
>
> There´s no subway in Manila, right?
>
There never built subways in Metro Manila. Probably because most of the area
is at or near sea level; the watertable is also relatively high. The cost
would have been prohibitive. What they started building in the early 80s was
the light rail transit system using elevated tracks on reinforced concrete
abutments and trestles.
Renowl
when the typhoons come. i drove there once during a typhoon and my rental
almost floated in a 10 minute heavy downpour. boy was wifey pissed.
Renowl
is sized for the typical smaller filipino body
Mo Silidonio
> if its big people like congenital , chris and some other not much. the
jeepney
> is sized for the typical smaller filipino body
That is true. Remember the expressions "upong kinse lang po" or "konting
side-view lang po"? "Kinse" refers to fifteen centavos which is the basic
fare for the first 5 kilometers. The driver urges the passengers to sit up
straight on the sideways bench seats to accomodate the optimum number of
passengers per row. The norm used though is so small that it'll really fit
the stated number of people if they were all petite females sitting prim and
proper with their knees together. Men tend to take up more space since they
are generally bigger and sit with their knees spread apart for obvious
reasons.
The ultimate number of passengers though is not limited by the seat space
available. During rush hour, up to 4 passengers may grab on steel grilles or
bars and hang on the rear running boards. The front seat may take up to 3
passengers instead of 2. In the rural areas, jeepneys carry small wooden
stools to add seating capacity between the rows of bench seats. Some may
have roof racks and/or hood racks for cargo and/or passengers.
LeeBat
>What they started building in the early 80s was
>the light rail transit system using elevated tracks on reinforced concrete
>abutments and trestles.
I was amazed when I found out they finally got it up and running.
Never saw any work being done in my years of travel back home, so I
figured it would ultimately be abandoned in-place as a monument to
bureaucracy and corruption.
LeeBat
you know, just like an NYC roadway project .....
Congenital Kano
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Or ... Boston's? ... Big F'ing Hole in the Ground or Big Dig or whatever...
We're still repairing damage from the '89 Quake Pig
Dirty Sick Pig
Renowl wrote:
Did you bitchslap her and tell her to shut the fuck up because you're
driving through a dangerous situation?
Sideseat&BackseatDriverKillerPig
Sylvia Knörr
"Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I suppose it´s really dangerous to drive around during a typhoon. Why didn´t
you wait until it´s over?
Umbrella Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
> There never built subways in Metro Manila. Probably because most of the
area
> is at or near sea level; the watertable is also relatively high. The cost
> would have been prohibitive. What they started building in the early 80s
was
> the light rail transit system using elevated tracks on reinforced concrete
> abutments and trestles.
Is it a railroad net just within Manila or does it cover more areas of
Luzon?
Model Railroad Piggy
Renowl
it in a barbecue and throw it on the gutter. besides i was still making
ligaw then so i have to be really careful .
now that we are married alas now she rules the roost . i guess a leopard
cant get rid of her spots. when it comes to her i am mellow after all
she is the woman i married. i can always gnash my teeth and say yes dear
yeas dear absolutely dear.
whipped owl
Renowl
weather. in manila, it would be all hot, dry and humid then suddenly
the rain would suddenly pour down in the gazillion of gallons [ liters]
transforming the low lying roads into a public swimming pool in about 5 or
10 minute then it would stop . or it would rain for days turning certain
communities into a philippine venice with the regular streets as canals and
with small rickety boats for gondolas . in some areas they even go inside the
church in a boat since the church itself is already half underwater. me and
gf [ now wifey were driving home in dry weather towards holiday inn when it
started raining. the rain was soo strong you could not see thru the windshield
even if they were turned full blast. if we stopped on that area that car
would die from a flooded engine. we had to keep on driving in search of a
parking place [ another thing hard to find in the pinas] and a higher area for
safety.
thats why we seldom really go to manila at all. in cavite that problem is
not that pronounced . in my home turf south in mindanao rains are not that
problem since we get sunny weather most of the time [ we got other problems in
the form of belligerent people with guns ] . but thats another issue.
when the colonizers decided to pick manila [ a place of low level
compared to sea level ] as the center or armpit of the philippines they were
smoking crack. if they didnt have that persistent problem with the unbowing
filipino muslims centuries ago down south . eternally sunny mindanao with
its better terrain , better resources and would had been a better center of
the philippines compared to manila . economically booming cebu also south is
good but its island is too small .
Renowl
and really stone age compared to the trains running between switzerland,
and germany . yours are like the chariots of the gods in amenities, style,
efficiency and technology. even the bland, no frills mass transit trains of
the us pales in comparison .
you guys take the cake when it comes to the best trains
Sylvia Knörr
It´s good to know that rain showers are so violent in Manila. Manila must be
a city of extremes in every way.
> thats why we seldom really go to manila at all. in cavite that problem
is
> not that pronounced . in my home turf south in mindanao rains are not
that
> problem since we get sunny weather most of the time [ we got other
problems in
> the form of belligerent people with guns ] . but thats another issue.
You just can´t have EVERYTHING... :-)
> when the colonizers decided to pick manila [ a place of low level
> compared to sea level ] as the center or armpit of the philippines they
were
> smoking crack. if they didnt have that persistent problem with the
unbowing
> filipino muslims centuries ago down south . eternally sunny mindanao
with
> its better terrain , better resources and would had been a better center
of
> the philippines compared to manila . economically booming cebu also south
is
> good but its island is too small .
Maybe the Spaniards chose Maynila because the bay was a good place to
harbour numerous ships and it was sited nicely to maintain trade with China,
Indonesia and the Southern Philippine islands. Professor Owen will know the
reason. ;-)
Baiting Him Piggy
Mo Silidonio
>
> Is it a railroad net just within Manila or does it cover more areas of
> Luzon?
The Light Railway Transit and Metro Rail Transit systems run loops around
Metro Manila only, from Caloocan City to Baclaran. These are relatively new
rail infrastructure utilizing U.S. standard gauge.
The railway system serving the island of Luzon is ran by the Philippine
National Railways (PNR). The central terminal is in Tutuban, Manila. They
run regular rail services north to San Fernando, La Union and south to
Legaspi, Albay. These are antiquated railroad lines using smaller gauge
rails (narrower). Except for a few new acquisitions, most locomotives and
cars are old and dingy.
Renowl
time in the rich touristy areas. it would be a good idea to go there during
the dry season months. it will be very hot thu.
tansong tumbaga
historically unproven data, or an outright lie.
Anyway, Manila has safe harbor, deep and enclosed with two rivers that
can transport imports inland, the Pampanga and Pasig rivers. The rivers
were deep enough that it can accomodate heavy laden ships. I said were
because not anymore. They both enter into populated towns even before
the Spanish era.
To enter the harbor, the ships has to pass through a natural gateway,
Bataan and Cavite. That is why Corregidor was installed with the
heaviest guns during the days that harbors were constantly being
attacked by pirates and enemies of Spain, then finally US.
In Cebu you cannot get a heavy ship cloe enough to the harbors, probably
now you can with modern harbors, but not then. Mindanao would be good
and closer to spice islands, but the Spaniards spent a lot of time
protecting the settlements.
Pirates, Portuguese, Dutch and English constantly fights for position
there in the beginning.
Taiwan for example was originally Chinese, then Japanese then
Portuguese, Dutch then Chinese again<I could be wrong in the sequence of
changing hands but it was and still is Austronesian, they are now
dwindling in number and their language being over ran by the Chinese>.
Renowl
the river banks , i saw pictures from the american occupation showing pasig
with plenty of traffic and life . still manila is still prone to typhoons
and flooding .
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problem. The esteros that is full of garbage today(and human living
space) and sometimes dead bodies float in the muck, used to be the roads
of ordinary people.
If you can find old drawings made during the Spanish period, you would
find that Manila was swampy and plenty of esteros.
Malacanang sits on a reedy swampland and the governadorcillo travels by
boat everywhere. Even intramuros was sorrounded by water and Paco was
mostly water.
By controlling so it can be liveable with "real" roads, like Paco was
dumped with dirt to raise the earth<land reclamation> the Indigo all
disappeared and kangkongs gone. Pasig sort of died, the environment is
no longer there to keep it alive.
If you look at the pictures of old, you will notice that Filipinos used
to traverse the roads on the other side, like the Brits, it changed
slowly. Later pictures will show with mostly cars, driving on the right
became the norm.
Weird.
Congenital Kano
I've really been enjoying your posts lately, Rennie. Isn't it great to talk
about Filipino topics and not rehash American politics?
Thread-drift Pig
Renowl
becomes the right and vice versa? the old photo ways were wierd you know .
Renowl
then to make a spot ad about you know who or you know where just to let
off steam . but renowl will always be clean .
tansong tumbaga
> are you sure its not the old phto techniques that reverse the view ? left
> becomes the right and vice versa? the old photo ways were wierd you know .
Nope, Philippines used to travel on the other side.
Check out Jim Zwicks' web-site, a professor of history and used to post
here http://www.boondocksnet.com
Renowl
Just JT
>
> if its big people like congenital , chris and some other not much. the
jeepney
> is sized for the typical smaller filipino body
This is correct. Today whenever I ride a jeepney or FX service, I make sure
I pay DOUBLE FARE in fairness to the driver. What's PhP10-20 to me?
--
DalubGenerosityKilledTheCut
Dirty Sick Pig
Mo Silidonio wrote:
Sylvia, note that ChooChooBahn Train Station is of Germanic design.
Mo Pig
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tracks. I once took a ride from Manila to Pollilo, Quezon. Smoking some
nasty weed with friends and people around us aren't even fazed.
The train was narrow, three seats on each side, wooden seats painted red
and commisioned by the Spanish ruling government. The train goes to
Albay but we are not, we attended the first all Filipino bands concert
in an island we had to take a boat ride, even at night you can see the
taklobos(huge head sized mother-of-pearl shells) and sea anemones more
than 20 feet down the sea.
All my friends are there, the bands from Olongapo, Vietnam(the war was
going strong then) and Thailand, the only person missing making music
was Pepe Smith. Circus(band) was just a dream then, Philippine
Constabulary was there according an officer I met there, was on the
island to make sure no one dies, he said it while smoking a joint in
front of me and the lady who made the concert a reality.
Pepe was in Japan. I enjoyed and almost killed myself. I ended up
playing the congas with a band, danced, and made a fool of myself. I can
play some mean conga drums... but mainly I play base, but I love the
little trinkets that you can play music with, acoustical magic!
Renowl
vacolod was almost the same . he is almost bugging me to buy acrylic paints so
he can paint me a filipino p[ainting. many artist in the pinas cant even afford
to buy paint now . sad huh?
tansong tumbaga
That was 1970, I cannot do that now(wasting my time in drugs). Send your
cuzz some money and have him buy it there, painting materials are cheap
over there. There is no duty to import artist's materials in the
Philippines.
Congenital Kano
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
news:t7zOb.12806$Ap5....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
I remember you posting a link a long time ago to some of your work. Do you
have a site with images now? I'd like to see them.
Ah don't know art but ah knows what ah laks Pig
tansong tumbaga
>>
>>That was 1970, I cannot do that now(wasting my time in drugs). Send your
>>cuzz some money and have him buy it there, painting materials are cheap
>>over there. There is no duty to import artist's materials in the
>>Philippines.
>
>
> I remember you posting a link a long time ago to some of your work. Do you
> have a site with images now? I'd like to see them.
>
> Ah don't know art but ah knows what ah laks Pig
>
>
I forgot that one as well, am trying to find it, but I have some on
sushidog.com/bpss
My cuzz:
I am trying to find them as well, came from a family of artists you
know, now, I am trying to get my daughter's paintings on a web-site.
My drawings on bpss isn't that great but it will pass. I had posted some
watercolor in APH, I forgot what that is too.
Mo Silidonio
> >
> It is based on old Euro design, the passenger's seat is open to the
> tracks. I once took a ride from Manila to Pollilo, Quezon. Smoking some
> nasty weed with friends and people around us aren't even fazed.
>
> The train was narrow, three seats on each side, wooden seats painted red
> and commisioned by the Spanish ruling government. The train goes to
> Albay but we are not, we attended the first all Filipino bands concert
> in an island we had to take a boat ride, even at night you can see the
> taklobos(huge head sized mother-of-pearl shells) and sea anemones more
> than 20 feet down the sea.
The PNR "Bicol Express" train was the economy class coach plying between
Manila and Albay. A once famous "superstar" was known to sell drinking water
during her pre-fame days at the train stations in Albay where she hailed
from.
Bicol Express is also the name that people used to call a Bicol cuisine rich
in coconut milk and pepper spices.
>
> All my friends are there, the bands from Olongapo, Vietnam(the war was
> going strong then) and Thailand, the only person missing making music
> was Pepe Smith. Circus(band) was just a dream then, Philippine
> Constabulary was there according an officer I met there, was on the
> island to make sure no one dies, he said it while smoking a joint in
> front of me and the lady who made the concert a reality.
>
> Pepe was in Japan. I enjoyed and almost killed myself. I ended up
> playing the congas with a band, danced, and made a fool of myself. I can
> play some mean conga drums... but mainly I play base, but I love the
> little trinkets that you can play music with, acoustical magic!
>
I remember Joey "Pepe" Smith and his Circus Band in the 70s. One of their
popular rock music is "Jeepney" and "Balong Malalim".
Congenital Kano
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
I really like "Coffee House". I know still life works are great practice
and composition challenges, but give me people every day (or angry seas...
my favorite amature painting was a stormy seascape which I could have had
for $50, but that was as practical to my broke student butt as $500k...). I
look at "Coffee house" and think of the stories of each of the people there.
This is something a former partner taught me -- to imagine the stories of
the people we observe. We would go to a restaurant, and he would tell me
stories about the various patrons. Usual sexual (he was a dirty old man),
but often poignant. Nowhere near reality, but interesting.
Sometimes, when we are in Vegas and Maria is gambling, I'll sit with her and
watch the crowd. One time at the Mirage we were next to where the people
went to the wedding chapel. What a great place to watch people and imagine
their stories, from the way they dressed, interacted, their expressions.
Anywho, good stuff!
Connesewer Pig
Sylvia Knörr
"Congenital Kano" <jrsdadde...@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:O15Ob.83494$8H.121112@attbi_s03...
> I've really been enjoying your posts lately, Rennie. Isn't it great to
talk
> about Filipino topics and not rehash American politics?
>
> Thread-drift Pig
May I pronounce that I ALWAYS believed in Rennie´s on-topic contributions to
this group? :-P
Still we don´t know how to make it clear to LHA that this isn´t a forum for
American politics, no matter left or right. But I think LHA isn´t Filipino -
he´s just harassing Filipinos for some reason.
More Or Less Netiquette Abiding Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
> well at least you now know. at least you will be ok if you spend most of
your
> time in the rich touristy areas.
Hm, I悲 like to see the normal everyday life in the Philippines, so the rich
touristy areas are not the places where I will stay most of the time. I`m
not exactly going to visit the home of the MLFN, but if I was too worried
about safety, hell, I would go to Switzerland or Austria, but not to the
Philippines! :-))
it would be a good idea to go there during
> the dry season months. it will be very hot thu.
You are right, but due to the holiday schedule of my friend Anna, there愀 no
choice. But we惻l have raincoats with us! :-)
Familiar With Rain Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:Ug2Ob.2372$RT1....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
> Sylvia Knörr wrote:
> > Maybe the Spaniards chose Maynila because the bay was a good place to
> > harbour numerous ships and it was sited nicely to maintain trade with
China,
> > Indonesia and the Southern Philippine islands. Professor Owen will know
the
> > reason. ;-)
> >
> > Baiting Him Piggy
> Best way to bait Norman G. Owen, the Prof.! is to blast this NG with
> historically unproven data, or an outright lie.
There are lots of historically unproven data, but he didn´t say a word for
weeks. Seems he left us. :-(
> Anyway, Manila has safe harbor, deep and enclosed with two rivers that
> can transport imports inland, the Pampanga and Pasig rivers. The rivers
> were deep enough that it can accomodate heavy laden ships. I said were
> because not anymore. They both enter into populated towns even before
> the Spanish era.
Are these rivers still used as transportation avenues?
Seasick Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:DwoOb.82454$WS1....@fe1.texas.rr.com...
>
> Mo Silidonio wrote:
> > The railway system serving the island of Luzon is ran by the Philippine
> > National Railways (PNR). The central terminal is in Tutuban, Manila.
They
> > run regular rail services north to San Fernando, La Union and south to
> > Legaspi, Albay. These are antiquated railroad lines using smaller gauge
> > rails (narrower). Except for a few new acquisitions, most locomotives
and
> > cars are old and dingy.
> Sylvia, note that ChooChooBahn Train Station is of Germanic design.
>
> Mo Pig
Really? I´ll check it out when I´m there! :-)
Bahnhof Piggy
tansong tumbaga
>
>
> I really like "Coffee House". I know still life works are great practice
> and composition challenges, but give me people every day (or angry seas...
> my favorite amature painting was a stormy seascape which I could have had
> for $50, but that was as practical to my broke student butt as $500k...). I
> look at "Coffee house" and think of the stories of each of the people there.
> This is something a former partner taught me -- to imagine the stories of
> the people we observe. We would go to a restaurant, and he would tell me
> stories about the various patrons. Usual sexual (he was a dirty old man),
> but often poignant. Nowhere near reality, but interesting.
>
> Sometimes, when we are in Vegas and Maria is gambling, I'll sit with her and
> watch the crowd. One time at the Mirage we were next to where the people
> went to the wedding chapel. What a great place to watch people and imagine
> their stories, from the way they dressed, interacted, their expressions.
>
> Anywho, good stuff!
>
> Connesewer Pig
>
>
People are interesting for me, the relationships, failed ones, working
ones and successful ones. The emotions, and how this emotion develop
into how people think, the experiences that influences that as well.
Like how I would listen to NPR and come to an opposite conclusion as
most people who listens to it, like bomb Saddam.
I am only interested in Las Vegas artificiality, I don't gamble, for a
person that is open minded about a lot of things, I am not into a lot of
things that similar people would go for.
I don't do drugs(anymore) and seldom drink, maybe occasional wine or
port and don't gamble. My only sin is smoking cigarrettes<used to smoke
a pipe>.
I mainly watch people too. I like watching crowds in church, in
parties<especially those Filipino dance parties> and imagine what they
used to do back home.
Now you know where the old posters went to, that site is by Ka Hector
Santos.
tansong tumbaga
>
> I remember Joey "Pepe" Smith and his Circus Band in the 70s. One of their
> popular rock music is "Jeepney" and "Balong Malalim".
>
>
Joey has been around for a long time, circus band was with Pablito and
the Kalinawan brothers. Joey made a reputation in making Pinoy Rock
popular. His gig in Japan with two Japanese artists were impressive,
lots of innovation made there.
Heard he was in car crash a few days ago, news says he is ok. Hope he
stays well.
tansong tumbaga
> "Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:20040116223610...@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
>
>>well at least you now know. at least you will be ok if you spend most of
>
> your
>
>>time in the rich touristy areas.
>
>
> Hm, I´d like to see the normal everyday life in the Philippines, so the rich
> touristy areas are not the places where I will stay most of the time. I`m
> not exactly going to visit the home of the MLFN, but if I was too worried
> about safety, hell, I would go to Switzerland or Austria, but not to the
> Philippines! :-))
Go see isla maia, Mt. Banahaw is real nice.
>
> it would be a good idea to go there during
>
>>the dry season months. it will be very hot thu.
>
>
> You are right, but due to the holiday schedule of my friend Anna, there´s no
> choice. But we´ll have raincoats with us! :-)
>
> Familiar With Rain Piggy
>
>
I'll be there in a few days...
tansong tumbaga
I think he's really pissed off at Liberals, so he'll seek them out.
tansong tumbaga
> "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:Ug2Ob.2372$RT1....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
>
>>>Maybe the Spaniards chose Maynila because the bay was a good place to
>>>harbour numerous ships and it was sited nicely to maintain trade with
>
> China,
>
>>>Indonesia and the Southern Philippine islands. Professor Owen will know
>
> the
>
>>>reason. ;-)
>>>
>>>Baiting Him Piggy
>
>
>
>>Best way to bait Norman G. Owen, the Prof.! is to blast this NG with
>>historically unproven data, or an outright lie.
>
>
> There are lots of historically unproven data, but he didn´t say a word for
> weeks. Seems he left us. :-(
>
Probably on vacation. Used to be a lot of professors post here, one I
remember was Zwick and Postma, people get discouraged by people who
posts derogatory things without thinking of what they are writing.
Prof. Owen seem to be the only one left, and he does not post as often
lately.
>
>>Anyway, Manila has safe harbor, deep and enclosed with two rivers that
>>can transport imports inland, the Pampanga and Pasig rivers. The rivers
>>were deep enough that it can accomodate heavy laden ships. I said were
>>because not anymore. They both enter into populated towns even before
>>the Spanish era.
>
>
>
> Are these rivers still used as transportation avenues?
>
> Seasick Piggy
>
>
Outside of the Manila area? yes. Manila once was like Venice where
everyone can go almost anywhere by boat.
Norman G. Owen
Indeed I was on vacation - my first trip to Myanmar (Burma), which is a
magical country with a truly rotten government - and then had to get
ready for the second semester when I returned. Gave my first lecture
this AM and am now getting into some of the Usenet backlog. It's good
to know I was missed, but I'm not leaving s.c.f. for real until I retire
at the end of June ...
The Spanish started out in Cebu (1565), then moved HQ to Maynila in 1570
and stayed thereafter. Maynila was already the dominant "urban" site of
pre-Hispanic Luzon, and is the logical place to build your capital
(because of the Pasig and other rivers giving access to the rice-growing
heartlands) in the days before overpopulation. Outstanding harbour
(defensible against European enemies, thanks to Corregidor), riverine
access to most of central Luzon, &c. Excellent port for the Chinese
traders who brought so much of Philippine imports for centuries; much
closer for them than Cebu, much less Mindanao. Swampy, as many have
noted, but in those days much of the "suburban" traffic - and the food
supplies coming in from the provinces - was by small boats anyway; cf.
Bangkok, built on a similar site. It was a very liveable place.
Where Manila began to break down was in the 20th century when they
started filling in and paving over the "esteros," which had previously
reduced flooding (and also kept the environment somewhat cleaner than it
now is). But this is what happens almost everywhere with dense
urbanization - canals are seen as taking up too much space that could be
used for living or selling stuff or mechanized road transport. (The
"klongs" in Bangkok have also almost disappeared - many of them just in
the last 20-30 years.) (There were also canal networks in many European
cities, not just Venice, most of which have gone in modern times.)
The fact is that Manila is just _not_ a suitable site for a big modern
city, which could benefit from a solider foundation, but 400+ years of
centralizing all institutions there makes an enormous burden to shift.
And where would you go? Cebu is a lovely city at 1 million, but can you
imagine it with 10? I can't.
Someone mentioned that there have been other egregious historical errors
over the past few weeks (months?) that I have failed to correct - if
anyone cares to call these to my attention, I'll see whether I've got
anything to say. (There was one misinterpretation of the name-changing
decree of 1849, on which I've written before, but I assumed Dalubwika,
who knows that topic well, would straighten it out.)
Norman Owen
Globetrotting Pig
tansong tumbaga
>
>
>
> Indeed I was on vacation - my first trip to Myanmar (Burma), which is a
> magical country with a truly rotten government - and then had to get
> ready for the second semester when I returned. Gave my first lecture
> this AM and am now getting into some of the Usenet backlog. It's good
> to know I was missed, but I'm not leaving s.c.f. for real until I retire
> at the end of June ...
I would like to see the magic one of these days, but I might end up
saying the wrong thing and get shot!
>
> The Spanish started out in Cebu (1565), then moved HQ to Maynila in 1570
> and stayed thereafter. Maynila was already the dominant "urban" site of
> pre-Hispanic Luzon, and is the logical place to build your capital
> (because of the Pasig and other rivers giving access to the rice-growing
> heartlands) in the days before overpopulation. Outstanding harbour
> (defensible against European enemies, thanks to Corregidor), riverine
> access to most of central Luzon, &c. Excellent port for the Chinese
> traders who brought so much of Philippine imports for centuries; much
> closer for them than Cebu, much less Mindanao. Swampy, as many have
> noted, but in those days much of the "suburban" traffic - and the food
> supplies coming in from the provinces - was by small boats anyway; cf.
> Bangkok, built on a similar site. It was a very liveable place.
Mexico City was, I had been told, swampy as well. When I was young you
can see large boats all the way to Mandaluyong, but I can't tell you
whether it was heavy kind but it was full of goods. Pasig starts getting
narrow and shallow from there. Used to be<still is BTW> an expensive
area to build anything, like a home near the river, now because of real
estate prices going sky high.
>
> Where Manila began to break down was in the 20th century when they
> started filling in and paving over the "esteros," which had previously
> reduced flooding (and also kept the environment somewhat cleaner than it
> now is). But this is what happens almost everywhere with dense
> urbanization - canals are seen as taking up too much space that could be
> used for living or selling stuff or mechanized road transport. (The
> "klongs" in Bangkok have also almost disappeared - many of them just in
> the last 20-30 years.) (There were also canal networks in many European
> cities, not just Venice, most of which have gone in modern times.)
Hmmmm...I didn't know that, oh yeah, Amsterdam, that is interesting.
>
> The fact is that Manila is just _not_ a suitable site for a big modern
> city, which could benefit from a solider foundation, but 400+ years of
> centralizing all institutions there makes an enormous burden to shift.
> And where would you go? Cebu is a lovely city at 1 million, but can you
> imagine it with 10? I can't.
>
> Someone mentioned that there have been other egregious historical errors
> over the past few weeks (months?) that I have failed to correct - if
> anyone cares to call these to my attention, I'll see whether I've got
> anything to say. (There was one misinterpretation of the name-changing
> decree of 1849, on which I've written before, but I assumed Dalubwika,
> who knows that topic well, would straighten it out.)
>
> Norman Owen
> Globetrotting Pig
No one did, it is just that to bait you is to make errors on history
delibrately, I was going to say Bankok was like Manila once. But again,
thanks for stopping by.
I would donate a computer for you just so you can enlighten us once in a
while if that is what will stop you from posting on your retirement.
Are we going to see a book from you on your retirement?
Norman G. Owen
> delibrately, I was going to say Bankok was like Manila once. But again,
> thanks for stopping by.
>
> I would donate a computer for you just so you can enlighten us once in a
> while if that is what will stop you from posting on your retirement.
Actually, after I retire I will get a new E-mail address entirely AND
try to figure out someway of reducing my spam exposure on it to avoid
the current ridiculous situation in which I get an average of nearly 200
spam messages a day, some presumably attracted by "trawling" my
undisguised address from Usenet ...
But then when I get settled down (North Carolina?) I, like MacArthur,
Shall Return. But without the corncob pipe. Or (I hope) the
megalomania.
> Are we going to see a book from you on your retirement?
Yes, starting with a co-authored and edited volume entitled THE
EMERGENCE OF MODERN SOUTHEAST ASIA: A NEW HISTORY, forthcoming from
University of Hawaii Press in 2005.
After that, who knows?
Stay tuned.
Norman
tansong tumbaga
Sounds great.
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> Sylvia Knörr wrote:
> > "Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:20040116223610...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >>well at least you now know. at least you will be ok if you spend most of
> >
> > your
> >
> >>time in the rich touristy areas.
> > Hm, I´d like to see the normal everyday life in the Philippines, so the
rich
> > touristy areas are not the places where I will stay most of the time.
I`m
> > not exactly going to visit the home of the MLFN, but if I was too
worried
> > about safety, hell, I would go to Switzerland or Austria, but not to the
> > Philippines! :-))
> Go see isla maia, Mt. Banahaw is real nice.
One of my books says many Filipinos go there to meditate or pray and to
drink from or bathe in the holy waters of the streams there. Is it so still?
> > it would be a good idea to go there during
> >
> >>the dry season months. it will be very hot thu.
> > You are right, but due to the holiday schedule of my friend Anna,
there´s no
> > choice. But we´ll have raincoats with us! :-)
> I'll be there in a few days...
I hope you´ll enjoy it. Don´t forget to send pix and to post here whenever
possible! :-)
Waiting For A Report Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
> you havent met my princess xena . if i did that she would get my head
spit
> it in a barbecue and throw it on the gutter. besides i was still
making
> ligaw then so i have to be really careful .
>
> now that we are married alas now she rules the roost . i guess a
leopard
> cant get rid of her spots. when it comes to her i am mellow after
all
> she is the woman i married. i can always gnash my teeth and say yes
dear
> yeas dear absolutely dear.
>
> whipped owl
Seems you are that perfect hubby JT described in the other thread!
Tooth Fairy Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"Norman G. Owen" <ngo...@hkucc.hku.hk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:400B68...@hkucc.hku.hk...
> tansong tumbaga wrote:
> >
> > Sylvia Knörr wrote:
> >
> > > "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > > news:Ug2Ob.2372$RT1....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
> > >>Best way to bait Norman G. Owen, the Prof.! is to blast this NG with
> > >>historically unproven data, or an outright lie.
> > > There are lots of historically unproven data, but he didn´t say a word
for
> > > weeks. Seems he left us. :-(
> > Probably on vacation. Used to be a lot of professors post here, one I
> > remember was Zwick and Postma, people get discouraged by people who
> > posts derogatory things without thinking of what they are writing.
> > Prof. Owen seem to be the only one left, and he does not post as often
> > lately.
> > > Are these rivers still used as transportation avenues?
> > Outside of the Manila area? yes. Manila once was like Venice where
> > everyone can go almost anywhere by boat.
> Indeed I was on vacation - my first trip to Myanmar (Burma), which is a
> magical country with a truly rotten government - and then had to get
> ready for the second semester when I returned. Gave my first lecture
> this AM and am now getting into some of the Usenet backlog. It's good
> to know I was missed, but I'm not leaving s.c.f. for real until I retire
> at the end of June ...
Nice to see you back again! And retiring could be a motive to post more
often, since you have more time then! :-)
Now the detailed data you gave about how Maynila became the most prominent
city of the Philippines is just the kind of information we needed.
> The Spanish started out in Cebu (1565), then moved HQ to Maynila in 1570
> and stayed thereafter. Maynila was already the dominant "urban" site of
> pre-Hispanic Luzon, and is the logical place to build your capital
> (because of the Pasig and other rivers giving access to the rice-growing
> heartlands) in the days before overpopulation. Outstanding harbour
> (defensible against European enemies, thanks to Corregidor), riverine
> access to most of central Luzon, &c. Excellent port for the Chinese
> traders who brought so much of Philippine imports for centuries; much
> closer for them than Cebu, much less Mindanao. Swampy, as many have
> noted, but in those days much of the "suburban" traffic - and the food
> supplies coming in from the provinces - was by small boats anyway; cf.
> Bangkok, built on a similar site. It was a very liveable place.
>
> Where Manila began to break down was in the 20th century when they
> started filling in and paving over the "esteros," which had previously
> reduced flooding (and also kept the environment somewhat cleaner than it
> now is). But this is what happens almost everywhere with dense
> urbanization - canals are seen as taking up too much space that could be
> used for living or selling stuff or mechanized road transport. (The
> "klongs" in Bangkok have also almost disappeared - many of them just in
> the last 20-30 years.) (There were also canal networks in many European
> cities, not just Venice, most of which have gone in modern times.)
Some cities at the Northern Sea had (or some still have) canal networks:
Amsterdam and Rotterdam in the Netherlands, Bruegge in Belgium. They all are
not high above sea level and have to deal with high tides and floods
regularly.
> The fact is that Manila is just _not_ a suitable site for a big modern
> city, which could benefit from a solider foundation, but 400+ years of
> centralizing all institutions there makes an enormous burden to shift.
> And where would you go? Cebu is a lovely city at 1 million, but can you
> imagine it with 10? I can't.
It would probably mean a desaster for both Manila AND Cebu. But I guess no
politician in his right mind would take such a shift into account seriously.
> Someone mentioned that there have been other egregious historical errors
> over the past few weeks (months?) that I have failed to correct - if
> anyone cares to call these to my attention, I'll see whether I've got
> anything to say.
Common errors will pop up again every once in a while. Some things may not
be exactly errors, but we need you to put them into perspective within the
broader picture.
History Jigsaw Puzzle Piggy
tansong tumbaga
>
>
>>Go see isla maia, Mt. Banahaw is real nice.
>
>
> One of my books says many Filipinos go there to meditate or pray and to
> drink from or bathe in the holy waters of the streams there. Is it so still?
>
There are people that believes it. One side of the mountain is believed
to be miraculous. I have no proof.
>
>>>it would be a good idea to go there during
>>>
>>>
>>>>the dry season months. it will be very hot thu.
>
>
>
>>>You are right, but due to the holiday schedule of my friend Anna,
>
> there´s no
>
>>>choice. But we´ll have raincoats with us! :-)
>
>
>
>>I'll be there in a few days...
>
>
>
> I hope you´ll enjoy it. Don´t forget to send pix and to post here whenever
> possible! :-)
>
> Waiting For A Report Piggy
>
>
I had been going almost yearly, haven't reported anything here yet,
oh...maybe I should start.
Dirty Sick Pig
Sylvia Knörr wrote:
Hang on tightly to your purse and use your backpack as a chestpack, your
buttpack as a bellypack, your H&K locked and loaded and hanging from
your neck.
SafetyAdvisorPig
Dirty Sick Pig
tansong tumbaga wrote:
You posted a Datu and a nekkid Vina.
Pornographic Memory Pig
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> Sylvia Knörr wrote:
> >>Go see isla maia, Mt. Banahaw is real nice.
> > One of my books says many Filipinos go there to meditate or pray and to
> > drink from or bathe in the holy waters of the streams there. Is it so
still?
> There are people that believes it. One side of the mountain is believed
> to be miraculous. I have no proof.
Could it be that the waters there have healing quality because of certain
minerals?
> >>I'll be there in a few days...
> > I hope you´ll enjoy it. Don´t forget to send pix and to post here
whenever
> > possible! :-)
> I had been going almost yearly, haven't reported anything here yet,
> oh...maybe I should start.
Yes you should!!!
Reading Every Line Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>
> Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
> > "Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:DwoOb.82454$WS1....@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> >>Sylvia, note that ChooChooBahn Train Station is of Germanic design.
> >>
> >>Mo Pig
> > Really? I´ll check it out when I´m there! :-)
> Hang on tightly to your purse and use your backpack as a chestpack, your
> buttpack as a bellypack, your H&K locked and loaded and hanging from
> your neck.
>
> SafetyAdvisorPig
Why don´t you join and protect us? Although JT promised to care about the
safety of Anna and me, I´m not quite sure if he got a different idea of
*safety check*.
Beware Of Wolf In Sheepskin Piggy
Dirty Sick Pig
Sylvia Knörr wrote:
> "Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:5VnPb.1242$RR3...@fe1.texas.rr.com...
>
>>Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>news:DwoOb.82454$WS1....@fe1.texas.rr.com...
>
>
>
>>>>Sylvia, note that ChooChooBahn Train Station is of Germanic design.
>>>>
>>>>Mo Pig
>
>
>>>Really? I´ll check it out when I´m there! :-)
>
>
>>Hang on tightly to your purse and use your backpack as a chestpack, your
>>buttpack as a bellypack, your H&K locked and loaded and hanging from
>>your neck.
>>
>>SafetyAdvisorPig
>
>
>
> Why don´t you join and protect us? Although JT promised to care about the
> safety of Anna and me, I´m not quite sure if he got a different idea of
> *safety check*.
>
> Beware Of Wolf In Sheepskin Piggy
You will be safe with JT. That I can promise you with a clear
conscience. He and I are both in the FBI.
Female Body Inspector Pig
Sylvia Knörr
"Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>
>
> Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
> > "Dirty Sick Pig" <DrtyS...@Hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:5VnPb.1242$RR3...@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> >>Hang on tightly to your purse and use your backpack as a chestpack, your
> >>buttpack as a bellypack, your H&K locked and loaded and hanging from
> >>your neck.
> > Why don´t you join and protect us? Although JT promised to care about
the
> > safety of Anna and me, I´m not quite sure if he got a different idea of
> > *safety check*.
> You will be safe with JT. That I can promise you with a clear
> conscience. He and I are both in the FBI.
>
> Female Body Inspector Pig
I *always* wondered what "FBI" really means. Now that I know, I do not
exactly feel more safe. Can´t tell you why.
Bodyguarded Piggy
tansong tumbaga
>
>
> You posted a Datu and a nekkid Vina.
>
> Pornographic Memory Pig
>
That was Vina? Thought it was your wife.
tansong tumbaga
>
> Yes you should!!!
>
> Reading Every Line Piggy
>
>
My wife packs the bags and most of the time, not enough space for my
laptop and video...pisses me off because for me that is how I do my
stuff, as far as drawing something, I always ended up buying materials
there. My only problem getting art materials(oil paints, acrylics
canvases and others) are paper!
And almost always go there without electronics or cameras...
isla maia
it was his wife. dsp suffers from selective amnesia.
--isla maia
Isla Maia
Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:960Pb.3477$0M1....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
>> Sylvia Knörr wrote:
>
>>>> Go see isla maia, Mt. Banahaw is real nice.
>
>>> One of my books says many Filipinos go there to meditate or pray and to
>>> drink from or bathe in the holy waters of the streams there. Is it so
> still?
>
>> There are people that believes it. One side of the mountain is believed
>> to be miraculous. I have no proof.
>
> Could it be that the waters there have healing quality because of certain
> minerals?
One "side" of Mount Banahaw has a reputation among the local faithfuls,
especially the Catholic faithfuls. During certain religious periods, a mass
of people will often gather in the hopes of receiving some sign and effect
of "miracles".
I didn't know quite what to expect the first time as I'm not a Catholic, but
when one of my girlfriends invited me to join her and see her tree house on
the slope of Mt Banahaw, I couldn't refuse as I was brimming over with
curiosity. Not that I read much or knew much about the place before visiting
it, but I'm always interested in a nature trek around the Philippines, so
when my girlfriend told me of her tree-house, I thought it would be cool to
check it out. My mother warned me against going saying that there were too
many spirits there, a mix of the good as well as the bad, and it's really
not a good idea if I spend the night on the mountain since I've never been
exposed to the natural elements of the mountain on my own before.
The drive from Manila to Mt Banahaw isn't a long one, if there's a bit of
traffic you can easily get to the place within 2 hours. It's in the same
region as Laguna but you take a different route so instead of heading
straight towards Mount Makiling where Laguna and my family home lies, you go
off one route towards the other mountain nearby, and that's Mount Banahaw,
although I do believe the region there is composed of about three mountains
but as I'm writing this without delving into much research at this stage and
relying on a very much jet-lagged memory, I could be right or I could be
wrong.
In any case, we're on this story about Mt Banahaw.
The "famous" bit of Mt Banahaw, the place where the faithful gathers is down
this difficult slope where steps are fashioned out of rocks and you have to
hold tightly on to ropes that link one section of the rock stair way path to
another until you reach the bottom. You have to be fit enough to do this as
it does try your leg muscles tremendously.
We visited on a "low-tide" period, and that allowed us to locate the
boulders leading down below from one pool part to another. The objective is
to get to a couple of small waterfalls that's somewhat "miraculous", but
frankly, I doubt that a lot. What it must have is certain minerals which
tend to turn the rock surface a bit reddish or discolour it. But the
religious fanatics tend to believe so much about its miraculous features and
tend really to forget harsh reality.
What struck me negatively was first of all - the rubbish. It was pretty
filthy from the point where we parked the car, and started to head towards
the main path towards the religious pool site. You cannot help but notice
the litter that lined the path and down those rocky stairway, and
disgustingly, floating on the pool surface. You see traces of canned drinks,
candy wrappers, food wrappers, candle waxes, and just filth.
At first sight of the pool from just before one descended down holding
perilously on to those rope links, we saw a few locals washing their clothes
... then past a few boulders, more locals bathing with their clothes on and
washing their hair with shampoo.
One is supposed to, during a religious trek down the rocky stairway wading
over from one boulder to another, reach this particular spot where a small
stream of water, a mini-waterfall would flow and one was suppose to wet
oneself, and I'm not sure if it was the done thing to also drink of the
water.
My girlfriend was leading me through all the points and rituals but I had to
stop her and tell her I can't do this because it's simply unhygienic. She
looked a bit startled at me when I said that, then realisation hit and she
said, "you're right! Let's get back. I was actually doing this because I
thought you wanted to do it."
I told her no, I was just interested in what drew people here, if she said
as she did earlier, that it's famous among the local.
There are stalls stationed around the paths leading to those pools, and they
sell strange things. There are what they called medicinal herbs, but I don't
believe they're really something worth taking internally, and I have a
strong suspicion of people trying to sell me something I don't know and they
can't explain well enough.
My girlfriend's house, which she built with the help of the people around
the area and a religious group is a three storey tree-house, or more
appropriately, mountain house. You have to go up the side of Mount Banahaw
and the same structure exist, rock stairway with ropes linking one section
of the rock stairway to another so it's not a direct walk up, but you walk a
few stairs up then move over to one side and up again another bit of stairs.
Again, extremely trying on your legs and balance.
The house itself, on the outside, looks rustic. Very local. Nipa hut type
with mesh nettings to prevent the mosquitoes from entering.
Inside, the floors made of split bamboo feels a bit wavy under your bare
feet.
The first level is quite open and is where she has her kitchen and her
receiving area.
Then a staircase leads up to the bedroom ... then overhead a trap door where
an iron ladder leads to the rooftop.
Her rooftop is amazing. It gives one a fabulous view over the trees and you
can easily feel as you look across, like you could be a reincarnated soul
and as a bird, you'd be seeing spread before you, all of nature's splendour
below you.
It would have been idyllic to just stay and watch the sun turn a fiery
orange before burying itself in the horizon to make way for the stars ...
but the mosquitoes coming out to haunt us were too much and we eventually
had to make our escape down to safety.
The evening event turned out to be quite interesting for me. After regaling
me with stories of how the local religious cult leader of the mountain
wanted her to be an exorcist for them, shooing away bad spirits in afflicted
people ... And how we had to decide whether we'd suffer a fate cooped up in
the bedroom where a humongous cockroach waited for us, or in the receiving
area where a rat found itself trapped in the house with us and stayed
running left to right across us while we froze a bit on the opposite side of
the room trying to figure out what to do next ... We eventually decided to
coop up with the hidden humongous cockroach in the bedroom and I finally
went to bed sharing half of the double bed with my girlfriend. Only, while
she managed to drop out like a light and snore away, I stayed awake
listening to the sounds of the night for quite a bit.
As it was chilly, I had the sheets covering me and over my head - an added
protection in case the cockroach decided to come out and nibble at me ...
but they were light woolly types and not quite knitted closely together so
through the fabric you could still see outlines of anything that moved under
the light of the silvery moon.
It's not so much an outline that I saw that night ... but a strange flash of
light and then ... a dead weight that came to rest quite affirmatively
between my friend and ... moi.
I don't know how long I froze in my position but I eventually drifted off to
sleep only to wake up again to the sound of this loud wailing like a
thousand birds singing simultaneously in chorus in the early hours of the
morning.
Needless to say ... I had a rough night.
I don't know how my girlfriend can return to her home and stay there by
herself. She told me after I explained to her the event of the night that
her home was actually built in the way of the ghostly path that spirits took
travelling from one part of Mount Banahaw to another.
She could have told me that earlier.
--isla maia
tansong tumbaga
both loverly
tansong tumbaga
> I don't know how my girlfriend can return to her home and stay there by
> herself. She told me after I explained to her the event of the night that
> her home was actually built in the way of the ghostly path that spirits took
> travelling from one part of Mount Banahaw to another.
>
> She could have told me that earlier.
>
> --isla maia
>
>
A very interesting story.
Isla Maia
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote:
I can tell you, much as our mountains are beautiful, and it is a real shame
to see how filthy certain parts can get and what disrespect there is towards
the environment ... there's nothing that makes me love our country more than
all the fauna florishing around.
And then ... there's some real mysterious going-ons when darkness cometh.
--isla maia
tansong tumbaga
one would, probably would just kill something before it gets lost in the
wilds.
I saw some of the loveliest birds and monkeys there, garbage do kill
them, plastics can choke the animals and it will never be dissolved by
the environment.
Isla Maia
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote:
That's what my friend told me, they tried for years to do a clean-up, but
always with the mecca the faithful make to these regions, come the filth and
rubbish.
Guess what, no matter how ernest the intention, in the end, everyone gives
up. No one does a clean-up anymore because it's a never ending cycle and no
one pays to have the rubbish cleared off, so they leave things that way now.
I told my girlfriend that good spirits won't be around anything connected to
dirt. You know the saying "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" ... there are
spirits, yes, but I doubt if they're good.
You know where they've all gone to? The other side of Banahaw - Lucban ...
And in this region, another friend owns the land on the mountain, hectacres
and hectacres of it, and keeps it well maintained.
We visited the place and it's glorious.
--isla maia
tansong tumbaga
>
>
> That's what my friend told me, they tried for years to do a clean-up, but
> always with the mecca the faithful make to these regions, come the filth and
> rubbish.
>
> Guess what, no matter how ernest the intention, in the end, everyone gives
> up. No one does a clean-up anymore because it's a never ending cycle and no
> one pays to have the rubbish cleared off, so they leave things that way now.
>
> I told my girlfriend that good spirits won't be around anything connected to
> dirt. You know the saying "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" ... there are
> spirits, yes, but I doubt if they're good.
>
> You know where they've all gone to? The other side of Banahaw - Lucban ...
> And in this region, another friend owns the land on the mountain, hectacres
> and hectacres of it, and keeps it well maintained.
>
> We visited the place and it's glorious.
>
> --isla maia
>
Think by putting up some garbage cans in the area would improve it?
There's got to be a better way to keep an area clean, I know placing
signs will not make a difference, but something has to be done. Once
while walking around Lake Erie, I found a guy throwing garbage in a
ravine towards the lake and I forced him to pick it up, he turned out to
be a priest, but he picked it up.
Guarding the area during the busy times and forcing people to place the
garbage in proper places, could that work?
Isla Maia
X8wRb.18486$uj1....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "tansong tumbaga"
<ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote:
We talked and covered all the ways to effect the clean-up. The problem is
during certain periods, a massive hoard invades the place and they stay
coming wave after wave so in the end, you can imagine what you're left with.
For love of the place, the people who want to take care of Mt Banahaw, at
least the "spiritual part" have been for years trying and trying their best
to work out something effectively. They've poured money, they've gone and
pick the litters themselves, but it's hopeless.
Unless there's way to make the people take their trash out with them and be
conscious of how they're polluting the environment, there's nothing anyone
can do effectively.
That region is also somewhat under the control of these religious cults and
I doubt if government takes an interest in assisting them.
I really don't know how you can motivate people to clean up unless a massive
television campaign focusing on these areas and teaching the people what to
do is launched.
Maybe because it's a tourist/religious attraction, more effort should be
exerted but as I only visited the place once, it's not easy for me to come
up with solutions. I know talking to my girlfriend, she's one of the active
belonger as she uses Banahaw as a retreat, that she did try working out
several solutions with those who feel and think like her and love the place.
--isla maia
tansong tumbaga
>
>
> We talked and covered all the ways to effect the clean-up. The problem is
> during certain periods, a massive hoard invades the place and they stay
> coming wave after wave so in the end, you can imagine what you're left with.
>
> For love of the place, the people who want to take care of Mt Banahaw, at
> least the "spiritual part" have been for years trying and trying their best
> to work out something effectively. They've poured money, they've gone and
> pick the litters themselves, but it's hopeless.
>
> Unless there's way to make the people take their trash out with them and be
> conscious of how they're polluting the environment, there's nothing anyone
> can do effectively.
>
> That region is also somewhat under the control of these religious cults and
> I doubt if government takes an interest in assisting them.
>
> I really don't know how you can motivate people to clean up unless a massive
> television campaign focusing on these areas and teaching the people what to
> do is launched.
>
> Maybe because it's a tourist/religious attraction, more effort should be
> exerted but as I only visited the place once, it's not easy for me to come
> up with solutions. I know talking to my girlfriend, she's one of the active
> belonger as she uses Banahaw as a retreat, that she did try working out
> several solutions with those who feel and think like her and love the place.
>
> --isla maia
>
>
It is unfortunate but you are right, I remember how it is back home.
When throngs of of people come in, all you can to is take the back seat.
Way too overwhelming.
Sylvia Knörr
"Isla Maia" <isla...@yahoo.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:BC3B18C1.47C2%isla...@yahoo.fr...
> On 22/1/04 1:11, in article bun8hq$4en$03$2...@news.t-online.com, "Sylvia
> Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> >
> > "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:960Pb.3477$0M1....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
> >> There are people that believes it. One side of the mountain is believed
> >> to be miraculous. I have no proof.
> > Could it be that the waters there have healing quality because of
certain
> > minerals?
> One "side" of Mount Banahaw has a reputation among the local faithfuls,
> especially the Catholic faithfuls. During certain religious periods, a
mass
> of people will often gather in the hopes of receiving some sign and effect
> of "miracles".
Could it be that it has been a holy site already BEFORE the Spaniards
arrived? Do you know anything about that?
> I didn't know quite what to expect the first time as I'm not a Catholic,
but
> when one of my girlfriends invited me to join her and see her tree house
on
> the slope of Mt Banahaw, I couldn't refuse as I was brimming over with
> curiosity. Not that I read much or knew much about the place before
visiting
> it, but I'm always interested in a nature trek around the Philippines, so
> when my girlfriend told me of her tree-house, I thought it would be cool
to
> check it out. My mother warned me against going saying that there were too
> many spirits there, a mix of the good as well as the bad, and it's really
> not a good idea if I spend the night on the mountain since I've never been
> exposed to the natural elements of the mountain on my own before.
<snip for brevity>
> Needless to say ... I had a rough night.
>
> I don't know how my girlfriend can return to her home and stay there by
> herself. She told me after I explained to her the event of the night that
> her home was actually built in the way of the ghostly path that spirits
took
> travelling from one part of Mount Banahaw to another.
>
> She could have told me that earlier.
Wow, what a story! Wrap some details around it and make it a movie! :-)
I guess you experienced one of the things that many people hope for but
never find.
Spiritual Appearance Piggy
Dirty Sick Pig
isla maia wrote:
I wrote a fake post for Teretits, giving Tanso some bitchin' hell. Too
bad she busted me before I can post it.
Netscape 4.x Pig
Renowl
spirits and other creatures.