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From: jonl...@cinci.infi.net
Date: 1999/12/20
Subject: Vatican _ Ustasha War crimes
UKRAINIAN UNION OF NAZI VICTIMS AND PRISONERS
ORGANIZATION OF ANTIFASCIST RESISTANCE FIGHTERS
Box 71, Kiev, Ukraine, 253105  e mail:  resis...@beograd.com

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST VATICAN BANK
ALLEGES COMPLICITY IN HOLOCAUST ERA WAR CRIMES

December 17, 1999
Kiev, Ukraine:
Two Ukrainian organizations, The Ukrainian Union of Nazi Victims and
Prisoners and The Organization of Antifascist Resistance Fighters,
representing over 300,000 Ukrainian World War II victims of Nazi and
Fascist aggression announced the filing of a class action lawsuit
alleging complicity in war crimes by the Vatican Bank and the Franciscan
Order.  The lawsuit was filed on November 15, 1999 in the United States
District Court in San Francisco, California. Case No. C 99-4941 MMC.

This class action on behalf of former Soviet citizens, Jews, and
Yugoslavs, is based in part on a 1997 U.S.  State Department Report
which linked the disappearance of the treasury of the Nazi satellite
state of Fascist Croatia to the Vatican Bank and Roman Catholic Church
Officials. The Fascist Croatian state is credited with murdering over
700,000 Serbians between 1941 and its demise in 1945.  The Serbs were
brutally liquidated in a state sponsored killing spree aimed at
cleansing Croatia of adherents to Eastern Orthodox Christianity and the
foundation of an ethnically pure, Roman Catholic state.  Prime movers in
this ethnic cleansing were militant Franciscan monks, many of whom held
military and civil commands in wartime Croatia.

The Ukrainian organizations allege that Croatian army, navy, and air
force divisions assisted the German Army in occupying Ukraine during the
war.  The Croatian forces also participated in the well documented,
systematic looting of Ukraine by the Nazis.  The suit seeks to recover a
percentage of the Croatian hoard estimated to have been worth as much as
180 million dollars in 1945.

Recent books, including the best selling “Hitler’s Pope” and a soon to
be released Argentine government report, firmly link Vatican
organizations to the Fascist Croatian state and subsequent disappearance
of its treasury following the Nazi defeat.

Potential plaintiffs are encouraged to write to the above address or e
mail for more information:

resi...@beograd.com


 
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From: "Darko Peric" <dpe...@sprint.ca>
Date: 1999/12/20
Subject: Re: Vatican _ Ustasha War crimes
    Too bad there is no NDH, and today's Croatia has been led by a man
who fought NDH in WW2.  Today's Croatia is not responsible for the
misdeeds of the Ustashe.  Today's Croatia is partly based on the goals
of ZAVNOH, the Anti-fascists that fought the Ustashe.  Sorry, too
little, too late.

"We recognize BiH as an entire and sovereign state.  At
the same time, we will be firm in protecting Croatian
interests in BiH."
Ivica Racan (SDP) December 16, 1999
dpe...@sprint.ca

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From: "Zvonimir Siljkovic" <huss...@email.msn.com>
Date: 1999/12/20
Subject: Re: Vatican _ Ustasha War crimes
Strange, is it April? I could have sworn that it was April fools. Oh well.
Boy did I read this post with amusement. Wow one regiment stole how much?
140 million dollars? Lets not forget the airforce of how many planes? A
staffeln and the one or two minesweepers. I am surprised that there is 140
million dollars worth of stuff to steal in the Ukraine. And I am touch that
the Serbs care so much for other stolen property. This must be a first! but
one thing left me wondering, why did you not post this in the Ukrainian
newsgroup? And why do you anti-NATO freaks and new world order trust the
American legal system for your grievances. What a matter with filling it in
Ukraine or Russia? Well I guess this is a nice time water to occupy your
time with. God forbid you dedicate some energy to actually solving real
problems in Serbia. But I can't complain. Nothing we Croats love more then
seeing you guys make fools out of yourselves and digging your own shelf
deeper and deeper in shit. Keep digging, its a long way to china!

 
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From: ephraim...@aol.com (Ephraim195)
Date: 2000/01/07
Subject: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

>Today's Croatia is not responsible for the misdeeds of the Ustashe.

Today's Germany paid more than 100 billion Deutche Mark to the relatives of the
Hitler's victims and victims (Jews) alone. Willy Brandt knelt in Auschwitz
apologizing to us for the crime that today's Germany  did not do!

> Today's Croatia is partly based on the goals of ZAVNOH, the
>Anti-fascists that fought the Ustashe.  Sorry, too little, too late.

Kurzio Malaparte, Kaputt, Northwestern University Press, Evanston, Illinois

Chapter - A Basket of Oysters, pages 258, 259, 266

<Quotes>

During April 1941, I was travelling from Belgrade to Zagreb. The war against
Yugoslavia had been over for several days, the Free State of Croatia was just
born; Ante Pavelic was ruling in Zagreb with his ustashi bands. In all the
villages large portraits of Ante Pavelic, Poglavnnik of Croatia, were posted on
the walls, along with the notices and decrees of the new national Croatian
state.

....
It was curfew. Patrols of armed peasants knocked at the doors of Jewish homes
for the evening checking, calling out names in monotones. These doors were
marked with a red Star of David. The Jews came to the windows and said, "We are
here, we are at home." The peasant shouted "Dobro! Dobro!" and banged the butts
of their guns on the ground.

......
"The Croatian people," said Ante Pavelic, "wish to be ruled with goodness and
justice. And I am here to provide them."

While he spoke, I gazed at a wicker basket on the Poglavnik's desk. The lid was
raised and the basket seemed to be filled with mussels, or shelled oysteers -
as they are ocassionally displayed in the windows of Fortnum and Mason in
Piccadilly in London. Casertano looked at me and winked, "Would you like a nice
oyster stew?"

"Are they Dalmatian oysters?" I asked the Poglavnik.

Ante Pavelic removed the lid from the basket and revealed the mussels, that
slimmy and yelly-like mass, and he said smiling, with that tired good-natured
smile of his, "It is a present from my loyal ustashis. Forty pounds of human
eyes."

<End of quotes>

What are your moral norms, comrade commisar? Too little? Too late?

E.L.


 
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Date: 2000/01/07
Subject: Do you have any moral arrangements, comrade commissar?

>Strange, is it April? I could have sworn that it was April fools. Oh
> well. Boy did I read this post with amusement. Wow one regiment
>stole how much? 140 million dollars? Lets not forget the airforce of
>how many planes? A staffeln and the one or two minesweepers. I
>am surprised that there is 140 million dollars worth of stuff to steal
>in the Ukraine.

Here is a text describing you and your tribe of butchers verry well.

Pavelic's Picture and Other Stories

Ugonostalgia in Vodinci, the Village with Triple U

by Drago Hedl Feral Tribune, 1/30/95, Split, Croatia

``I do not see anything contraversial in naming my restaurant ``U". ``U" can
stand for ``ugostiteljstvo" [hotel business] and ``usluga" [service] or
anything else beginning with an ``U", although to some people that ``U" can
mean only one thing. Why does not anybody question why a hotel in Zagreb is
named ``I" ," asks thirty years old Zeljko Petricevic, the owner of restaurant
``U" from Vodinci, a village near Vinkovci [town in eastern Croatia]. His
restaurant's name became more familiar after the logo, consisting of a capital
letter U and a Croatian coat of arms appeared several times on the advertising
pages of a Vinkovci magazine, ``Hrvatski Vjesnik" [Croatian Messenger], also
known because of its motto:`` Serbs, be
damned wherever you are", displayed on the front page.

`` Yes, I used to sponsor Zvonimir Sekulin, the editor of ``Hrvatski Vjesnik",
but I have ceased to support him. Actually, I could not afford to pay DM 200
for every issue," says Petricevic. `` And as for your question whether I had
any problems about the restaurant's name, I can simply reply: no, none at all.
The road maintenance company from Vinkovci was the only one to demand I remove
the billboard next to the street within three days. They did that last year,
but I told them to remove the sign themselves if it bothers them. As you can
see, nobody came to remove the sign. Nevertheless, they sent the financial
police and fined me DM 12,000; that might have happened because of the
restaurant's name. This country is still run
by the communists and such things are possible."

Seks will Do It

Jure Brkic, Zeljko's best man, owner of a restaurant named ``U2", located a few
hundred meters further up the street, says he pondered over what to name his
restaurant. He had, he says, different ideas, and then it seemed logical that
if Zeljko's restaurant is named ``U", his should be named ``U2". He knows that
is the name of a rock band, but that did not motivate him to name the
restaurant.

Jure finds nothing scandalous in the names of his and Zeljko's restaurants. On
the contrary, he believes it is a scandal that the memorial to the antifascist
fighters fallen in the WWII still stands in the neighboring village of Stari
Mirkovci.

`` That is why they put the county seat in Stari Mirkovci, instead of here.
Because Stari Mirkovci is, unlike Vodinci, a Partisan village, so they are
still privileged, as during the last 50 years", says Jure Brkic. `` We
complained to Vladimir Seks [Governor of East Slavonia] and demanded that the
county seat be moved to Vodinci and he promised to do everything in his power
to fulfill our demand.

Between Zeljko Petricevic's restaurant ,``U", and his best man Jure Brkic's
``U2", on the village's main street was until recently located a third
restaurant, owned by Zeljko's brother Zdenko; The main street
used to bear the name of Partisan Stanislav Lehota, but is now named after
Josip Juraj Strossmayer. The third restaurant had a name ``Poglavnik" [term
corresponding to Fuhrer in Croatian fascist terminology], and the billboard
above the street entrance was adorned by Ante Pavelic's likeness [leader of the
Croatian
fascists during the WWII]. Together with the owner's name, Zeljko Petricevic,
bar's name ''Poglavnik" and Pavelic's picture, the text on the billboard also
included: Vodinci, NDH [ Nezavisna Drzava Hrvatska, Independent State of
Croatia, Nazi puppet state during the WWII on the territory of
Bosnia-Hercegovina, most of Croatia and parts of Serbia].

Mercep's Beer

Jure Brkic says that Zdenko Petricevic did not have any problems because of the
restaurant's name. He has actually, as did Zeljko and Jure, legally registered
the restaurant's name with Tomislav Berkovic of the hotel and restaurant
business regulatory office in Vinkovci. The reason for ``Poglavnik"'s temporary
closure is that Zdenko is due to some problems, says Jure Brkic, incarcerated
in Germany and had sold his restaurant to a Swiss gentleman married to a
Croatian citizen.

`` Ante Dapic, a Parliament member and the president of the Croatian Party of
Rights, especially liked to stop by my brother Zdenko's restaurant ``Poglavnik"
," tells us Zeljko Petricevic. ``It is a pity Zdenko is not around to show you
the photos and video recordings. I should not complain either. Without
exaggerating, at least a half of the present members of the Croatian Parliament
have visited my restaurant ``U". They all had a good time and liked the
atmosphere; only Tomislav Mercep complained that the waiter gave him a warm
beer. And it was warm because we had not had electricity for three days before
that; they are always connecting and reconnecting something around here."

Zeljko says he is sorry he does not know where a portrait of Ante Pavelic, ``a
beautiful work in oil by a German painter from 1942," ended up; the painting
used to hang in his brother Zdenko's restaurant, ``Poglavnik". He is also fond
of Pavelic's portrait which he displays in his restaurant, ``U". Poglavnik's
portrait in pastel has been done specially for Zeljko, by Vlatko Kordic, also
known as Smuk, which in these parts of Croatia is a synonym for a person fond
of a bottle.

Jozo Ustasha's Present

`` I have been offered SF 1000 and DM 1000 and once even DM 3000 for that
painting. But I am too fond of it to sell just like that," explains Zeljko
Petricevic. His restaurant is closed until 4pm and since we spent the morning
in Vodinci, Zeljko fulfilled our request and showed us the interior. Pavelic's
picture dominates the space next to the bar and the picture of Ban Jelacic
[Croatian 19 century leader] is right next to it. A ceramic tile with the
Croatian coat of arms and a large black ``U" is also there; it is a gift and
bears
a dedication from ``Jozo Ustasha" [Ustashe were Croatian fascists] from Donji
Miholjac. That kind of tiles used to be produced for a special customer [
during the WWII ] in the Ceramic tile factory in Orahovica, near Slavonska
Pozega.

`` Jozo does not even know that I hung up his present with the dedication right
next to the Poglavnik's portrait," says Zeljko. `` He will be very happy when
he stops by next time and notices that."

Zeljko says another restaurant, named ``Mladost" [ Youth ], used to be at the
same place as his restaurant, ``U". His mother managed the restaurant. When the
war in Croatia started in 1991, Zeljko was among the first to join the Croatian
National Guard. Restaurant ``Mladost" remained closed for a while and when he
left the Croatian army in the spring of 1992 (``I left when the ones now
parading with memorials and ranks started to put on the Croatian Army's
uniforms") he was overcome by ugonostalgia; consequently, he decided to take up
restaurant business. That is how he opened the restaurant, naming it ``U".

`` Hundreds and hundreds of cars have stopped by the sign advertising my
restaurant on the main road. Many had themselves photographed with the sign for
a souvenir. I do not see anything wrong in that."

E.L.


 
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From: jakovnis...@my-deja.com
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Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?
Dear Ephraim,

These two men (Peric, Siljkovic) are the two primitive
Croatian propagandists who aren't capable of comprehending the reality
of the matter described in that article.

Just another proof that the Croatian language has no notion of shame.

In article <20000107110941.01928.00000...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
  ephraim...@aol.com (Ephraim195) wrote:

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

 
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Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

Sourced Research Document taken for fair use . Tuesday, April 01, 1997

And the TRUTH IS:

MYTH: "THE BASKET OF HUMAN EYEBALLS."

Myth: The Croatian wartime Chief-of-State Ante Pavelic routinely maintained
a basket containing twenty kilos of human eyeballs at his desk side.

Reality: This statement is literally a work of fiction taken from the novel
Kaputt by Curzio Malaparte (Kurt Suckert, also
known as Gianni Strozzi). The book was written as fiction, sold as fiction,
and is catalogued in every library in the world as fiction. To cite Kaputt
as a source about World War II is analogous to citing Gone with the Wind as
an authoritative history of the American Civil War.

That this tired tale is still being retold is the second most amazing part
of this myth. More amazing is that anybody, no matter how blinding their
hatred of Croatians, could believe it. And yet this myth was quoted as fact
as recently as 1991 in official publications printed in Belgrade by the
Ministry of Information of the Republic of Serbia and repeated by naive
journalists in Britain and North America.

Kaputt the myth survived and was given renewed life by the Serbian
government, journalists, and politicians because it came with quotation
marks. The legend had a footnote, a citation, an author, and all the
trappings of fact. The author was often cited as "the most famous Italian
writer," "the Italian journalist" and even the "famed Italian historian,"
Curzio Malaparte. His famous quote from the 1946 English translation of the
novel Kaputt reads:

    While he spoke, I gazed at a wicker basket on the Poglavnik's desk
(Poglavnik was Ante Pavelic's title). The lid was
    raised and the basket seemed to be filled with mussels, or shelled
oysters -- as they are occasionally displayed in
    the windows of Fortnum and Mason in Piccadilly in London.

    Casertano looked at me and winked, "Would you like a nice oyster stew-!

    "Are they Dalmatian oysters?" I asked the Poglavnik.

    Ante Pavelic removed the lid from the basket and revealed the mussels,
that slimy and jelly-like mass, and he said
    smiling, with that tired good-natured smile of his, "It is a present
from my loyal ustashis. Forty pounds of human
    eyes.

Kaputt and its author both had fascinating stories to tell. In the original
press release for the book, Malaparte claimed that the manuscript was
started in the Ukraine in 1941 and smuggled throughout Europe in secret coat
linings and in the soles of his shoes. Finally, the manuscript was divided
into three parts and given to three diplomats, to be reunited in 1943 on
Capri where it was finished.

The book chronicled Malaparte's movements around Europe in 1941 and 1942
when he visited every front and knew every head of state, usually on a first
name basis. Malaparte apparently spoke every language and shared the charms
of every beautiful princess on the continent. According to his own preface
to Kaputt, his personal friendships with Mussolini, Hitler and others did
not save him from being thrown into jail in July 1943 for being anti-German.
Miraculously, he was soon freed and was working for the Allies by September
of that year. It was while working as a propagandist for the Allies that
Malaparte completed Kaputt, a book that he described as "...horribly gay and
gruesome."

The critics agreed. Malaparte's two major books, Kaputt and Skin were
labelled "Best selling Nausea" by Time magazine which christened Malaparte
as "...a sort of Jean Paul Spillane." Malaparte's writings contained page
after page of sordid tales about the evil world of Fascist Europe.
Malaparte's basket of human eyeballs must be taken in context, as Time
magazine wrote in 1952:

    He shows mothers who sell their children into prostitution; but then,
says Malaparte with a smirk, there are also
    the children who would gladly sell their mothers. He dwells for part of
a chapter on a street peopled with twisted
    female dwarfs, who fed, he asserts gleefully, on the unnatural lust in
the American ranks. Another chapter is
    concerned with a visit to a shop that sells blonde pubic wigs. U.S.
soldiers, Malaparte explains, like blondes.

These offensive themes only scratch the surface of Malaparte's sick
writings. That the Allies won the War through the
devices of a "homosexual maquis," flags of human skin, and an Allied general
who served his guests a boiled child are all included in Malaparte's fare.

Suckert-Malaparte-Strozzi

"Malaparte" himself was an enigma. He was born Kurt Erich Suckert in 1898 in
Prato, Italy of Austrian, Russian and Italian descent. He attended the
Collegio Cicognini and the University of Rome. He joined the Fascists at an
early age and soon became the darling of the Fascist Propaganda Ministry
where he wrote glowing volumes and even a work of poetry in praise of
Mussolini. He served as a journalist for Corriere della Sera and travelled
to Ethiopia in 1939. What happened after that depends upon which "Malaparte"
is read. The world-travelling statesman fictionalized in his novels spent
the war years in almost constant meetings with the likes of Mussolini, Count
Ciano, Ante Pavelic and the rich and powerful of Europe. Interestingly,
Pavelic's name was misspelled "Pavelich" (harder sounding ch instead of
softer sounding ch) in all of his writings. Later, Malaparte claimed to have
been one of "three Italian officers who organised the Italian Army of
Liberation which fought for the Allies." After the fall of Mussolini he
began writing under the name Gianni Strozzi for the Communist daily L'Unita.
That year he applied for, but was refused, Communist Party membership. Still
later, he went to work for the Allied Fifth Army Headquarters as a minor
liaison officer. Just as he had served the Fascists and the Communists,
Malaparte sought to ingratiate himself with his new masters. "The American
Army is the kindest army in the world...I like Americans...and I proved it a
hundred times during the war...their souls are pure, much purer than ours,"
Malaparte gushed. In November of 1952 a far different Malaparte wrote that
in fact he had fallen out with Mussolini in 1934. Not only did he never meet
most of the great leaders he wrote about, he admitted: "In 1938 I still
remained under police control and was put in prison as a preventive measure
every time a Nazi chief visited Rome...and from 1933 until the liberation, I
was deprived of a passport..."

Once called "Fascism's Strongest Pen," Malaparte angered Hitler with a book
written in 1931 about the techniques of the coup d' etat. He was jailed by
Mussolini from 1933 to 1938 and kept on a very short leash for the remainder
of the Fascist era. Title Italian Defence Ministry did confirm that he once
served as a liaison officer to the Allies, but flatly denied that he had
anything to do with organising Italy's Army of Liberation. A prolific author
of short stories and fictionalized accounts of Fascist victories,
Suckert-Malaparte-Strozzi did interview Ante Pavelic during the War. The
interview recounted in Kaputt, in Pavelic's office, was recorded on film.
There is no basket or any conversation regarding a basket to be seen.

After the War, Malaparte continued to write, as well as direct and produce
movies, and was active in the Communist Party.
In the spring of 1957 the Party sent him on a comradely visit to China.
Shortly after his return, he died on July 19, 1957. An enigma to the end,
the viciously anti-Catholic Malaparte renounced Communism and converted to
Catholicism on his deathbed. Later, Malaparte's friend and fellow journalist
Victor Alexandrov let it be known that Malaparte had admitted the story was
fiction. Thus Curzio Malaparte and his unpleasant ...

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Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

jakovnis...@my-deja.com wrote in message

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>Dear Ephraim,

>These two men (Peric, Siljkovic) are the two primitive
>Croatian propagandists who aren't capable of comprehending the reality
>of the matter described in that article.

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Date: 2000/01/08
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?
Pusti nih na miru. Ja nih kak Chedo kaze ignorishem!

 
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Date: 2000/01/09
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

Ephraim195 <ephraim...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Oh, and pray tell "Ephraim" who is the good Doctors employer?

 
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From: "Robert Jerin" <banjela...@worldnet.att.net>
Date: 2000/01/09
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

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> >Sourced Research Document taken for fair use . Tuesday, April 01, 1997

> >And the TRUTH IS:

And we have seen your lies posted here in the past, "Ephraim"!

 
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From: "Robert Jerin" <banjela...@worldnet.att.net>
Date: 2000/01/09
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

Ephraim195 <ephraim...@aol.com> wrote in message > >And
> Oh, come on man! All that truth comes from a very truthful source

> http://www.dalmatia.net/croatia/mcadams/myth/mcan01.htm

> written by famous C. Michael McAdams! Who knows who is Mr. McAdams at all?
A
> primitive propagandist who just parroted his croatian employer.

Michael McAdams (b. 1947, California USA), is the Director of the University
of San Francisco's campus in the California state capital of Sacramento.

> McAdams knowledge of the European history and literature is at the level
of a
> librarian or a book seller in some remote and forgotten  Balkans' village.

He earned his B.A. in history at the University of the Pacific in
California, his M.A. in Croatian history and Certificate in Soviet and East
European Studies at John Carroll University in Ohio with Phi Alpha Theta
Honors in History and Delta Tau Kappa Social Science Honors and as an
American Bar Association Scholar.

Following advanced study of comparative politics and ideologies as a
Carthage Foundation Scholar at the University of Colorado and studies in
Croatian ethnicity at California State University, San Jose as a Sourisseau
Academy scholar, he joined the University of San Francisco in 1979 where he
completed course work for the Doctorate in Education with an emphasis in
post-secondary organization and leadership.

He has published seven monographs, six chapters, and one hundred and
twenty-five articles in the areas of Croatian and South Slavic studies. In
addition to some one hundred lectures, symposia, and keynote addresses in
Europe, North America, and Australia, including the University of Zagreb,
Inter-University Centre of Dubrovnik, Macquarie University in Sydney, and
the University of New South Wales, he wrote, directed and read a weekly
radio program, "Moments in Croatian History," broadcast on twenty North
American and Austra-lian stations for fifteen years.

McAdams has been affiliated with the American Association for the
Advancement of Slavic Studies, the Association for Croatian Studies, the
Croatian Academy of America, El Instituto Croata Latinamericano de Cultura,
Gemeinschaft zur kroatischer Fragen, the Organization of American
Historians, and other professional and scholarly organizations.


 
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From: ephraim...@aol.com (Ephraim195)
Date: 2000/01/10
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

side.

Oh, come on man! All that truth comes from a very truthful source

http://www.dalmatia.net/croatia/mcadams/myth/mcan01.htm

written by famous C. Michael McAdams! Who knows who is Mr. McAdams at all? A
primitive propagandist who just parroted his croatian employer.

My poor friend, Curzio Malaparte's masterpieces belong to the European classics
along with Balzac's, Boell's, Dostoyevskii's, ...

McAdams knowledge of the European history and literature is at the level of a
librarian or a book seller in some remote and forgotten  Balkans' village.

By the bye, why not to ask Mr. McAdams to support that famous Barry
Marjanovich's finding - the croatians discovered America far before Columbus
did it!?

.


 
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From: "S.Benedikt" <benediktwat...@hotkey.net.au>
Date: 2000/01/10
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?
Robert you are wasting your time with this anti-Croat Parrot.
He has either taken the position of 'Devils-Advocate' or he has a deep sited personal problem with Croats not for what they the Croats did but for what he perceives them to be as he sees them through the tunnel of anti-Croat propaganda, manufactured history and one-sided written material that emanates mainly from the post WW ll Yugoslavia's capital Belgrade. He does not recognise any historical study that shows Croat's in good light or Croats majority as anti-fascist. He does not recognise the fact that majority of Croats regard the past deeds by the Croat fascist with humility and shame. He wishes to paint all Croats with the same brush persistently and all the time.
It is not clear why he does it? But it is just possible that his father who fought in the French Foreign Legion may have poisoned his views and sown the seed of hate into this child. His father did the wrong thing in the FFL and was severely punished by his comrades who were Croats which he probably never forgot or forgave. I don't know the full story but it had to do with gold, and cowardice. Perhaps  Ephraim195 should be able to enlighten us about his and his fathers background.
Otherwise it is best to ignore him.

Have a nice day in USA!

Regards,

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Discussion subject changed to "About shame: General Jodl" by Ephraim195
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Date: 2000/01/10
Subject: About shame: General Jodl
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/06-03-46.htm

The Avalon Project : Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 15

DR. EXNER: I should like to interrupt you a moment. In your diary Document
Number  1807-PS, you write, on 12 June 1942- Page 119, second document book:

         "The German field police disarmed and arrested a Ustashi company
because of atrocities  committed against the civilian population in Eastern
Bosnia."

         I should like to add here that this is noteworthy because this Ustashi
company was something  like an SS troop in Croatia and was fighting on the
German side. Because of the atrocities, the  German field police arrested this
Ustashi company.

         "The Fuehrer did not approve of this measure, which was carried out by
order of the commander of the 708th Division, as it undermined the authority of
the Ustashi on which the whole Croatian State rests. This is bound to have a
more harmful effect on peace and order in Croatia than the unrest of the
population caused by the atrocities."

         Was this the incident of which you were thinking just now?

         JODL: Yes.

         DR. EXNER: Have you another example?

         JODL: After the issuing of the Commando Order, I reported enemy
violations of international law to the Fuehrer only when he would be certain to
have heard of them through other channels. I reported cases of Commando
undertakings and capture of Commandos only  when I could be quite sure that he
would hear of them through other channels. In this respect I did try to hold
back any new spontaneous emotional decisions.

         DR. EXNER: Was it possible to hold Hitler back?

         JODL: Unfortunately not.


 
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Date: 2000/01/11
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?

> manufactured history and one-sided written material that emanates
>mainly from the post WW ll Yugoslavia's capital Belgrade.

So, comrade commissar, you know how to correctly learn the croatian history?
Just read "balanced opinions", or even

>any historical study that shows Croat's in good light or Croats
> majority as anti-fascist.

Good! The problem is quite simple. Firstly you have to explain how the
testimonies of A. Arnon, H. Saltz, H. Neubacher were "emanated" from Belgrade?
What made Generaloberst Alfred Jodl to write in his diary and testify the same,

"When unimaginable horrors committed by an Ustashi company in Croatia came to
my knowledge, I reported this to the Fuehrer immediately".

You have to explain how Malaparte was influenced by Belgrade (during 1941-43)
when writting his masterpiece "Kaputt". Tell us why there is no a serious man
in Germany that ever denied Malaparte's horror story, equally horrific as the
basket of oysters, about the Jews crucified (by the Germans) in the Ukrainian
village Dorogo.

You have to explain why the German and Italian WWII military archives are full
of data denying

>any historical study that shows Croat's in good light or Croats
>majority as anti-fascist.

and why there are many prominent historians (Deschner, Cornwell, etc.), afar
from any Belgrade's influence and not Serbs, Jews or Gypsies, denying

>any historical study that shows Croat's in good light or Croats
>majority as anti-fascist.

Your tribe of butchers still believes - hire an "independent" liar, call upon
his academic achievements and rewrite your (actually of your victims') history
as you please.

Even worse for you,  writing about the croats that discovered America far
before Columbus did it, about "croatian" Nobel prize winners, etc. just make
people to laugh at your tribe.

No way, you Hutu-croat idiot! I'm here to keep this mirror before the ugly face
of your tribe of butchers.  

I already posted many articles showing quite clearly that the ideology of your
bloodthirsty ancestors is alive and practised in the today's independent
statelet of croatia.

E.L.


 
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From: "Robert Jerin" <banjela...@worldnet.att.net>
Date: 2000/01/11
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?
Ignore him and let his threads die along with his bigotry (fascism)!

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Date: 2000/01/11
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?
In article <85f6r3$2t...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
  "Robert Jerin" <banjela...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Ignore him and let his threads die along with his bigotry (fascism)!

Pointing at somebody's behavior(fascism) is a fascism? How wise!

> Mario Puljic <Mario.Pul...@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:387AEFE0.DC67BC12@gmx.net...
> > > "When unimaginable horrors committed by an Ustashi company in
Croatia
> came to
> > > my knowledge, I reported this to the Fuehrer immediately".

> > whom he obviously regarded as the "highest instance of honour and
> morality"

Much higher than the highest instance of the Croatian honor and morality
that time! A proven historical fact! (Sorry about that.)

> > .........   get serious.....

> > > and why there are many prominent historians (Deschner, Cornwell,
etc.),
> afar
> > > from any Belgrade's influence and not Serbs, Jews or Gypsies,
denying

> > you really call Karl-Heinz Deschner a famous historian ?????  a man
whose
> > reputation is only built on books condemning the church
>>(any not only the Catholic,

This "only" qualifier belongs to you. Don't generalize the things you
hardly can comprehend and/or explain! For something like that a greater
IQ is required than that you have!

> > but mostly the Catholic) and who is only "well-respected " in the
circles
> of proud
> > atheists (of which he is a proud member).......

I've no knowledge that atheism lacks the morality, per se. Never heard
about the great morality of the Roman Catholic Church. Enlighten us,
please!

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Date: 2000/01/12
Subject: Re: Comrade commisar, what are your moral norms?
In article <387BCBCF.7631...@gmx.net>,
  Mario Puljic <Mario.Pul...@gmx.net> wrote:

> Jakov Nissim schrieb:

> > This "only" qualifier belongs to you. Don't generalize the things
you
> > hardly can comprehend and/or explain!

> oh come on!
> try and search the web for him and look what you will find:

My sincere advice for you: do not scratch the pile of dung!

> this guy never wrote anything else than fierce pamphlets against
religion,
> god, the church and anything else not fittingh in to his
> "The International League of Non-Religious and Atheists (IBKA)"
> (http://www.mazeway.de/~ibka/english/index.html)

> he is obsessed with demonizing religion and the people who believe in

god

I suppose you read everything he (Deschner) wrote. I'm pretty sure that
if these IBKA people quote A. Einstein, all his work will be announced
worth nothing by the people of your IQ!

Sorry pal, I'm not a Christian at all! Thanks to be God! Meanwhile,
enlighten us how all this beneath proves the great morality of the Roman
Catholic Church! I wouldn't mind if you say anything bad about the
Orthodox Christianity too, if it might help you to demonstrate the
values of the Roman Catholicism. Would you like start with Stepinac's
sainthood, for example?

> what about your beloved patriarch pavle and Co  ?
> now he is the great man of "tolerance, Peace etc.."

> but in the early 90s it was him who blessed the tanks of the chetnik
forces,
> it was him asking them to crush Croats ......

> same game other place: Kosovo.....

> let's stop it, I mean you can' call this guy famous "historian"

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