Asian people invented Golf.
mkao
By Patrick L. Smith International Herald Tribune
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 1, 2006
HONG KONG Famously, they gave the world gunpowder.
They also came up with the wheelbarrow, the umbrella, printing and
paper, phosphorescent paint and something called land sailing.
Nowadays, of course, they give the world practically everything in
great, cheap quantities.
But golf? Did the Chinese invent golf and export it westward centuries
before any Scottish shepherd ever thought of making a game out of his
forlorn fate?
Say something quickly in a lilting brogue. "It kinna' be," for
instance.
That is, roughly speaking, the Scottish position on the matter: It
cannot be.
But the Chinese have a compelling argument that it was they, indeed,
who first played the game. A museum in Hong Kong plans to display
evidence in an exhibition that is to open in a few weeks.
You have to see the artifacts to believe it. Then you have to be
careful what you say, because just who gave the world golf is a matter
as tricky as any fairway at St. Andrews, the Scottish town in the
Kingdom of Fife that bills itself as "the home of golf."
"The Autumn Banquet" is a Ming dynasty scroll that shows a member of
the imperial court swinging what looks like a golf club at what looks
like a golf ball with the apparent object of putting a sphere into what
looks like a hole in what looks like a green.
The Ming painting, rendered in mineral pigments on silk by one Youqiu,
has the Chinese playing chuiwan - literally "hit ball" - as early as
1368. Up at St. Andrews Links, they say the first recorded mention of
golf was in 1457, when it was banned by an act of Parliament under
James II.
The second exhibit in Hong Kong is a reproduction, but as a historical
document it is key. It is of a mural found in a temple dedicated to the
water god in Shanxi Province and dates to the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368).
And there they are again, courtiers swinging sticks.
Along with the wall painting comes a book, "Wan Jing," or "Manual of
the Ball Game," which was published in 1282 and stands as the first
known guide to a game that seems a lot like golf. Apart from various
rules and regulations - "the playing surface must not be flat" - "Wan
Jing" notes that certain Song and Jin dynasty emperors liked "hit
ball," which moves the date back to the early 12th century.
Tom K.C. Ming, the chief curator at the Hong Kong Heritage Museum,
which plans to unveil the paintings March 22, offers an assessment of
all this that is modest to the point of diplomatic delicacy.
"With these documents we can say chuiwan is quite similar to golf,"
Ming said. "There's a green, there's a hole. When we saw the equipment,
we were quite surprised at how similar it is."
Ming's exhibition, "Ancient Chinese Pastimes," will show the chuiwan
paintings for what is thought to be the first time outside the
mainland.
His caution on the question of golf - Is it ours or theirs? - reflects
his awareness that certain sensitivities are at stake in Scotland.
But Ming is not the acknowledged authority on the subject in China.
That distinction goes to Ling Hongling, a physical education professor
who taught at Northwest Normal University in Lanzhou, Gansu Province.
University officials said Ling is retired, and he could not be reached
for comment. No matter: His scholarly writings say it all, as straight
as a 240- yard drive.
Golf originated in China, Ling asserts, and the earliest reference can
be traced to the Nantang dynasty, five centuries before the
parliamentary act the Scots cite.
In support of his thesis, Ling invokes an array of evidence beyond the
paintings due to go on display in Hong Kong: other art works, songs, an
account of a 10th-century county magistrate teaching his daughter "to
dig holes in the ground and drive a ball into them."
Plainly, Ling has done his digging, too. Typical of his finds is an
opera titled "Anecdote of Shooting the Willow and Hitting the Ball," a
tale of bureaucratic rivalry that revolves around a match refereed by a
famous Song dynasty minister of war who lived from 989 until 1052.
In this work is reference to "a stick with its spoon" and "a tiny
crystalline pearl flying straight." As anyone familiar with the old
nomenclature knows, a spoon is the ancient equivalent of a 3-wood.
Ling may be a scholar, but he writes with nationalistic gusto in a
vocabulary worthy of a Maoist ideologue. He says it is "historical
reality" that the Chinese not only invented golf but then went on to
show Westerners how to play it.
It was spread, he believes, by way of the 13th-century book, carried by
the Mongols toward Europe.
"'Wan Jing' is the best medium of propagation," Ling writes. "Any place
a man could set foot on, the book has a chance to be brought into. Once
it arrived there, it might give rise to golf."
As evidence, Ling notes the similarity between three clubs used in
chuiwan and three in the game's early years in the West - the brassie
(a 2- wood, approximately), the driver (the 1-wood, then as now) and
the spoon Ling found in the opera and in some of the paintings.
"Aren't three pairs of clubs just similar to twin lotus flowers
blooming on one stalk?" Ling asks with a flourish.
Well, maybe. But there is some unscholarly surmise in Ling's account,
and this is where the Scots begin their counterargument: Nothing, in
the end, can be proven.
In the Chinese paintings, they point out, what look like holes might be
targets - plates stuck in the ground. Can't have that and call it golf,
they say. How many holes did they play? What were the rules? None of it
is known, they say at St. Andrews.
"Our view is that the game of golf as it evolved into its 18-hole
format was first played here," says Mike Woodcock, an official at the
St. Andrews Links Trust, which manages the land on which the town's six
courses lie.
As to the notion that the Chinese went west and taught the game, the
Scots are having none of it.
"Quite a few stick-and-ball games were played in a number of places in
the late medieval period," Woodcock says.
The Dutch, Woodcock points out, have asserted for years that they
invented something called Kolf before the time of James II. More
recently, two French historians have found evidence that a
stick-and-ball game called "pallemail" was played in the Loire valley
in the 15th century.
It is not lost on anyone that the museum exhibition coincides with the
appearance of a map showing that a famed Chinese mariner, Zheng He, may
have discovered America 80-odd years before Columbus saw the place.
That document now awaits scholarly verification. If it is
authenticated, one may have to ask just what Zheng's ships carried
across the oceans. Spoons and brassies and balls that looked like
pearls?
HONG KONG Famously, they gave the world gunpowder.
They also came up with the wheelbarrow, the umbrella, printing and
paper, phosphorescent paint and something called land sailing.
Nowadays, of course, they give the world practically everything in
great, cheap quantities.
But golf? Did the Chinese invent golf and export it westward centuries
before any Scottish shepherd ever thought of making a game out of his
forlorn fate?
Say something quickly in a lilting brogue. "It kinna' be," for
instance.
That is, roughly speaking, the Scottish position on the matter: It
cannot be.
But the Chinese have a compelling argument that it was they, indeed,
who first played the game. A museum in Hong Kong plans to display
evidence in an exhibition that is to open in a few weeks.
You have to see the artifacts to believe it. Then you have to be
careful what you say, because just who gave the world golf is a matter
as tricky as any fairway at St. Andrews, the Scottish town in the
Kingdom of Fife that bills itself as "the home of golf."
"The Autumn Banquet" is a Ming dynasty scroll that shows a member of
the imperial court swinging what looks like a golf club at what looks
like a golf ball with the apparent object of putting a sphere into what
looks like a hole in what looks like a green.
The Ming painting, rendered in mineral pigments on silk by one Youqiu,
has the Chinese playing chuiwan - literally "hit ball" - as early as
1368. Up at St. Andrews Links, they say the first recorded mention of
golf was in 1457, when it was banned by an act of Parliament under
James II.
The second exhibit in Hong Kong is a reproduction, but as a historical
document it is key. It is of a mural found in a temple dedicated to the
water god in Shanxi Province and dates to the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368).
And there they are again, courtiers swinging sticks.
Along with the wall painting comes a book, "Wan Jing," or "Manual of
the Ball Game," which was published in 1282 and stands as the first
known guide to a game that seems a lot like golf. Apart from various
rules and regulations - "the playing surface must not be flat" - "Wan
Jing" notes that certain Song and Jin dynasty emperors liked "hit
ball," which moves the date back to the early 12th century.
Tom K.C. Ming, the chief curator at the Hong Kong Heritage Museum,
which plans to unveil the paintings March 22, offers an assessment of
all this that is modest to the point of diplomatic delicacy.
"With these documents we can say chuiwan is quite similar to golf,"
Ming said. "There's a green, there's a hole. When we saw the equipment,
we were quite surprised at how similar it is."
Ming's exhibition, "Ancient Chinese Pastimes," will show the chuiwan
paintings for what is thought to be the first time outside the
mainland.
His caution on the question of golf - Is it ours or theirs? - reflects
his awareness that certain sensitivities are at stake in Scotland.
But Ming is not the acknowledged authority on the subject in China.
That distinction goes to Ling Hongling, a physical education professor
who taught at Northwest Normal University in Lanzhou, Gansu Province.
University officials said Ling is retired, and he could not be reached
for comment. No matter: His scholarly writings say it all, as straight
as a 240- yard drive.
Golf originated in China, Ling asserts, and the earliest reference can
be traced to the Nantang dynasty, five centuries before the
parliamentary act the Scots cite.
In support of his thesis, Ling invokes an array of evidence beyond the
paintings due to go on display in Hong Kong: other art works, songs, an
account of a 10th-century county magistrate teaching his daughter "to
dig holes in the ground and drive a ball into them."
Plainly, Ling has done his digging, too. Typical of his finds is an
opera titled "Anecdote of Shooting the Willow and Hitting the Ball," a
tale of bureaucratic rivalry that revolves around a match refereed by a
famous Song dynasty minister of war who lived from 989 until 1052.
In this work is reference to "a stick with its spoon" and "a tiny
crystalline pearl flying straight." As anyone familiar with the old
nomenclature knows, a spoon is the ancient equivalent of a 3-wood.
Ling may be a scholar, but he writes with nationalistic gusto in a
vocabulary worthy of a Maoist ideologue. He says it is "historical
reality" that the Chinese not only invented golf but then went on to
show Westerners how to play it.
It was spread, he believes, by way of the 13th-century book, carried by
the Mongols toward Europe.
"'Wan Jing' is the best medium of propagation," Ling writes. "Any place
a man could set foot on, the book has a chance to be brought into. Once
it arrived there, it might give rise to golf."
As evidence, Ling notes the similarity between three clubs used in
chuiwan and three in the game's early years in the West - the brassie
(a 2- wood, approximately), the driver (the 1-wood, then as now) and
the spoon Ling found in the opera and in some of the paintings.
"Aren't three pairs of clubs just similar to twin lotus flowers
blooming on one stalk?" Ling asks with a flourish.
Well, maybe. But there is some unscholarly surmise in Ling's account,
and this is where the Scots begin their counterargument: Nothing, in
the end, can be proven.
In the Chinese paintings, they point out, what look like holes might be
targets - plates stuck in the ground. Can't have that and call it golf,
they say. How many holes did they play? What were the rules? None of it
is known, they say at St. Andrews.
"Our view is that the game of golf as it evolved into its 18-hole
format was first played here," says Mike Woodcock, an official at the
St. Andrews Links Trust, which manages the land on which the town's six
courses lie.
As to the notion that the Chinese went west and taught the game, the
Scots are having none of it.
"Quite a few stick-and-ball games were played in a number of places in
the late medieval period," Woodcock says.
The Dutch, Woodcock points out, have asserted for years that they
invented something called Kolf before the time of James II. More
recently, two French historians have found evidence that a
stick-and-ball game called "pallemail" was played in the Loire valley
in the 15th century.
It is not lost on anyone that the museum exhibition coincides with the
appearance of a map showing that a famed Chinese mariner, Zheng He, may
have discovered America 80-odd years before Columbus saw the place.
That document now awaits scholarly verification. If it is
authenticated, one may have to ask just what Zheng's ships carried
across the oceans. Spoons and brassies and balls that looked like
pearls?
HONG KONG Famously, they gave the world gunpowder.
They also came up with the wheelbarrow, the umbrella, printing and
paper, phosphorescent paint and something called land sailing.
Nowadays, of course, they give the world practically everything in
great, cheap quantities.
But golf? Did the Chinese invent golf and export it westward centuries
before any Scottish shepherd ever thought of making a game out of his
forlorn fate?
Say something quickly in a lilting brogue. "It kinna' be," for
instance.
That is, roughly speaking, the Scottish position on the matter: It
cannot be.
But the Chinese have a compelling argument that it was they, indeed,
who first played the game. A museum in Hong Kong plans to display
evidence in an exhibition that is to open in a few weeks.
You have to see the artifacts to believe it. Then you have to be
careful what you say, because just who gave the world golf is a matter
as tricky as any fairway at St. Andrews, the Scottish town in the
Kingdom of Fife that bills itself as "the home of golf."
"The Autumn Banquet" is a Ming dynasty scroll that shows a member of
the imperial court swinging what looks like a golf club at what looks
like a golf ball with the apparent object of putting a sphere into what
looks like a hole in what looks like a green.
The Ming painting, rendered in mineral pigments on silk by one Youqiu,
has the Chinese playing chuiwan - literally "hit ball" - as early as
1368. Up at St. Andrews Links, they say the first recorded mention of
golf was in 1457, when it was banned by an act of Parliament under
James II.
The second exhibit in Hong Kong is a reproduction, but as a historical
document it is key. It is of a mural found in a temple dedicated to the
water god in Shanxi Province and dates to the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368).
And there they are again, courtiers swinging sticks.
Along with the wall painting comes a book, "Wan Jing," or "Manual of
the Ball Game," which was published in 1282 and stands as the first
known guide to a game that seems a lot like golf. Apart from various
rules and regulations - "the playing surface must not be flat" - "Wan
Jing" notes that certain Song and Jin dynasty emperors liked "hit
ball," which moves the date back to the early 12th century.
Tom K.C. Ming, the chief curator at the Hong Kong Heritage Museum,
which plans to unveil the paintings March 22, offers an assessment of
all this that is modest to the point of diplomatic delicacy.
"With these documents we can say chuiwan is quite similar to golf,"
Ming said. "There's a green, there's a hole. When we saw the equipment,
we were quite surprised at how similar it is."
Ming's exhibition, "Ancient Chinese Pastimes," will show the chuiwan
paintings for what is thought to be the first time outside the
mainland.
His caution on the question of golf - Is it ours or theirs? - reflects
his awareness that certain sensitivities are at stake in Scotland.
But Ming is not the acknowledged authority on the subject in China.
That distinction goes to Ling Hongling, a physical education professor
who taught at Northwest Normal University in Lanzhou, Gansu Province.
University officials said Ling is retired, and he could not be reached
for comment. No matter: His scholarly writings say it all, as straight
as a 240- yard drive.
Golf originated in China, Ling asserts, and the earliest reference can
be traced to the Nantang dynasty, five centuries before the
parliamentary act the Scots cite.
In support of his thesis, Ling invokes an array of evidence beyond the
paintings due to go on display in Hong Kong: other art works, songs, an
account of a 10th-century county magistrate teaching his daughter "to
dig holes in the ground and drive a ball into them."
Plainly, Ling has done his digging, too. Typical of his finds is an
opera titled "Anecdote of Shooting the Willow and Hitting the Ball," a
tale of bureaucratic rivalry that revolves around a match refereed by a
famous Song dynasty minister of war who lived from 989 until 1052.
In this work is reference to "a stick with its spoon" and "a tiny
crystalline pearl flying straight." As anyone familiar with the old
nomenclature knows, a spoon is the ancient equivalent of a 3-wood.
Ling may be a scholar, but he writes with nationalistic gusto in a
vocabulary worthy of a Maoist ideologue. He says it is "historical
reality" that the Chinese not only invented golf but then went on to
show Westerners how to play it.
It was spread, he believes, by way of the 13th-century book, carried by
the Mongols toward Europe.
"'Wan Jing' is the best medium of propagation," Ling writes. "Any place
a man could set foot on, the book has a chance to be brought into. Once
it arrived there, it might give rise to golf."
As evidence, Ling notes the similarity between three clubs used in
chuiwan and three in the game's early years in the West - the brassie
(a 2- wood, approximately), the driver (the 1-wood, then as now) and
the spoon Ling found in the opera and in some of the paintings.
"Aren't three pairs of clubs just similar to twin lotus flowers
blooming on one stalk?" Ling asks with a flourish.
Well, maybe. But there is some unscholarly surmise in Ling's account,
and this is where the Scots begin their counterargument: Nothing, in
the end, can be proven.
In the Chinese paintings, they point out, what look like holes might be
targets - plates stuck in the ground. Can't have that and call it golf,
they say. How many holes did they play? What were the rules? None of it
is known, they say at St. Andrews.
"Our view is that the game of golf as it evolved into its 18-hole
format was first played here," says Mike Woodcock, an official at the
St. Andrews Links Trust, which manages the land on which the town's six
courses lie.
As to the notion that the Chinese went west and taught the game, the
Scots are having none of it.
"Quite a few stick-and-ball games were played in a number of places in
the late medieval period," Woodcock says.
The Dutch, Woodcock points out, have asserted for years that they
invented something called Kolf before the time of James II. More
recently, two French historians have found evidence that a
stick-and-ball game called "pallemail" was played in the Loire valley
in the 15th century.
It is not lost on anyone that the museum exhibition coincides with the
appearance of a map showing that a famed Chinese mariner, Zheng He, may
have discovered America 80-odd years before Columbus saw the place.
That document now awaits scholarly verification. If it is
authenticated, one may have to ask just what Zheng's ships carried
across the oceans. Spoons and brassies and balls that looked like
pearls?
HONG KONG Famously, they gave the world gunpowder.
They also came up with the wheelbarrow, the umbrella, printing and
paper, phosphorescent paint and something called land sailing.
Nowadays, of course, they give the world practically everything in
great, cheap quantities.
But golf? Did the Chinese invent golf and export it westward centuries
before any Scottish shepherd ever thought of making a game out of his
forlorn fate?
Say something quickly in a lilting brogue. "It kinna' be," for
instance.
That is, roughly speaking, the Scottish position on the matter: It
cannot be.
But the Chinese have a compelling argument that it was they, indeed,
who first played the game. A museum in Hong Kong plans to display
evidence in an exhibition that is to open in a few weeks.
You have to see the artifacts to believe it. Then you have to be
careful what you say, because just who gave the world golf is a matter
as tricky as any fairway at St. Andrews, the Scottish town in the
Kingdom of Fife that bills itself as "the home of golf."
"The Autumn Banquet" is a Ming dynasty scroll that shows a member of
the imperial court swinging what looks like a golf club at what looks
like a golf ball with the apparent object of putting a sphere into what
looks like a hole in what looks like a green.
The Ming painting, rendered in mineral pigments on silk by one Youqiu,
has the Chinese playing chuiwan - literally "hit ball" - as early as
1368. Up at St. Andrews Links, they say the first recorded mention of
golf was in 1457, when it was banned by an act of Parliament under
James II.
The second exhibit in Hong Kong is a reproduction, but as a historical
document it is key. It is of a mural found in a temple dedicated to the
water god in Shanxi Province and dates to the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368).
And there they are again, courtiers swinging sticks.
Along with the wall painting comes a book, "Wan Jing," or "Manual of
the Ball Game," which was published in 1282 and stands as the first
known guide to a game that seems a lot like golf. Apart from various
rules and regulations - "the playing surface must not be flat" - "Wan
Jing" notes that certain Song and Jin dynasty emperors liked "hit
ball," which moves the date back to the early 12th century.
Tom K.C. Ming, the chief curator at the Hong Kong Heritage Museum,
which plans to unveil the paintings March 22, offers an assessment of
all this that is modest to the point of diplomatic delicacy.
"With these documents we can say chuiwan is quite similar to golf,"
Ming said. "There's a green, there's a hole. When we saw the equipment,
we were quite surprised at how similar it is."
Ming's exhibition, "Ancient Chinese Pastimes," will show the chuiwan
paintings for what is thought to be the first time outside the
mainland.
His caution on the question of golf - Is it ours or theirs? - reflects
his awareness that certain sensitivities are at stake in Scotland.
But Ming is not the acknowledged authority on the subject in China.
That distinction goes to Ling Hongling, a physical education professor
who taught at Northwest Normal University in Lanzhou, Gansu Province.
University officials said Ling is retired, and he could not be reached
for comment. No matter: His scholarly writings say it all, as straight
as a 240- yard drive.
Golf originated in China, Ling asserts, and the earliest reference can
be traced to the Nantang dynasty, five centuries before the
parliamentary act the Scots cite.
In support of his thesis, Ling invokes an array of evidence beyond the
paintings due to go on display in Hong Kong: other art works, songs, an
account of a 10th-century county magistrate teaching his daughter "to
dig holes in the ground and drive a ball into them."
Plainly, Ling has done his digging, too. Typical of his finds is an
opera titled "Anecdote of Shooting the Willow and Hitting the Ball," a
tale of bureaucratic rivalry that revolves around a match refereed by a
famous Song dynasty minister of war who lived from 989 until 1052.
In this work is reference to "a stick with its spoon" and "a tiny
crystalline pearl flying straight." As anyone familiar with the old
nomenclature knows, a spoon is the ancient equivalent of a 3-wood.
Ling may be a scholar, but he writes with nationalistic gusto in a
vocabulary worthy of a Maoist ideologue. He says it is "historical
reality" that the Chinese not only invented golf but then went on to
show Westerners how to play it.
It was spread, he believes, by way of the 13th-century book, carried by
the Mongols toward Europe.
"'Wan Jing' is the best medium of propagation," Ling writes. "Any place
a man could set foot on, the book has a chance to be brought into. Once
it arrived there, it might give rise to golf."
As evidence, Ling notes the similarity between three clubs used in
chuiwan and three in the game's early years in the West - the brassie
(a 2- wood, approximately), the driver (the 1-wood, then as now) and
the spoon Ling found in the opera and in some of the paintings.
"Aren't three pairs of clubs just similar to twin lotus flowers
blooming on one stalk?" Ling asks with a flourish.
Well, maybe. But there is some unscholarly surmise in Ling's account,
and this is where the Scots begin their counterargument: Nothing, in
the end, can be proven.
In the Chinese paintings, they point out, what look like holes might be
targets - plates stuck in the ground. Can't have that and call it golf,
they say. How many holes did they play? What were the rules? None of it
is known, they say at St. Andrews.
"Our view is that the game of golf as it evolved into its 18-hole
format was first played here," says Mike Woodcock, an official at the
St. Andrews Links Trust, which manages the land on which the town's six
courses lie.
As to the notion that the Chinese went west and taught the game, the
Scots are having none of it.
"Quite a few stick-and-ball games were played in a number of places in
the late medieval period," Woodcock says.
The Dutch, Woodcock points out, have asserted for years that they
invented something called Kolf before the time of James II. More
recently, two French historians have found evidence that a
stick-and-ball game called "pallemail" was played in the Loire valley
in the 15th century.
It is not lost on anyone that the museum exhibition coincides with the
appearance of a map showing that a famed Chinese mariner, Zheng He, may
have discovered America 80-odd years before Columbus saw the place.
That document now awaits scholarly verification. If it is
authenticated, one may have to ask just what Zheng's ships carried
across the oceans. Spoons and brassies and balls that looked like
pearls?
J.O. Aho
> Who invented golf? China takes a swing
Gosh, who cares it's still not a sport and it's damn boring like curling...
camy
J.O. Aho
> you think golf boring?what you think of cricket?
a handful guys that try to look sporty between two cups of tea.
//Aho
camy
boyfriend not.he laughs at me saying i spend time gliding down snow
hill and climb back up to glide down again,and then up again to glide
down again.ja i dumped him.he likes football,and i laugh saying twenty
four grown men chasing after little ball with thousands cheering,and
when one gets the ball he kicks it away again so they all can chase
after it with thousands cheering again.stupid game and brings violence
too.they should give each side a ball so they do not fight.
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Ira Humperdink MD <irahumperdinkMD@hotmail.com>
they don't even know how to play!
just like to dress up and PRETEND they can play!
camy
can only pretend,but cannot do anything.go wash toilet.
Ira Humperdink MD <irahump...@hotmail.com> schrieb:
booby
afterall. just that human memory is a short one and it needs 'remembering'
by probing into the past.. but not everyone takes to it with a positive
attitude.
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Philip
Golf is for fat old men with heart problems and no life.
Cricket is as exciting as watching paint dry boring
invented by college pompous farts.
http://www.southbucksarchers.fsnet.co.uk/robhood.wav
Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
Riding through the glen,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
With his band of men,
Feared by the bad, loved by the good,
Robin Hood! Robin Hood! Robin Hood!
He called the greatest archers
To a tavern on the green,
They vowed to help the people of the king,
They handled all the trouble
On the English country scene,
And still found plenty of time to sing.
Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
Riding through the glen,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
With his band of men,
Feared by the bad, loved by the good,
Robin Hood! Robin Hood! Robin Hood!
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J.O. Aho
> we all can criticise sports other people play.i like ski,and my
> boyfriend not.he laughs at me saying i spend time gliding down snow
> hill and climb back up to glide down again,and then up again to glide
> down again.ja i dumped him.he likes football,and i laugh saying twenty
> four grown men chasing after little ball with thousands cheering,and
> when one gets the ball he kicks it away again so they all can chase
> after it with thousands cheering again.stupid game and brings violence
> too.they should give each side a ball so they do not fight.
I agree with your both, and IMHO it's a damn good description of football.
//Aho
J.Venning
> Golf is for fat old men with heart problems and no life.
> Cricket is as exciting as watching paint dry boring
> invented by college pompous farts.
> http://www.southbucksarchers.fsnet.co.uk/robhood.wav
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> Riding through the glen,
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> With his band of men,
> Feared by the bad, loved by the good,
> Robin Hood! Robin Hood! Robin Hood!
> He called the greatest archers
> To a tavern on the green,
> They vowed to help the people of the king,
> They handled all the trouble
> On the English country scene,
> And still found plenty of time to sing.
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> Riding through the glen,
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> With his band of men,
> Feared by the bad, loved by the good,
> Robin Hood! Robin Hood! Robin Hood!
>
I don't play golf myself, but I know that many people do, and many business deals have been sealed on golf courses, because golf is a game where executives feel that they can discuss issues in a relaxing way outside the boardrooms. The very high membership fee also ensures that golfers are separated from "the lower half" of society who can't afford to join. As for cricket, well, I remember seeing people with transistor radios glued to their ears listening for the results of some test innings - so what?
What's this about Robin Hood? It sort of dates you back a bit, doesn't it? I remember seeing the series in ITV from way back when, with Richard Greene in the title role.
J.
Ira Humperdink MD <irahumperdinkMD@hotmail.com>
bob young
camy wrote:
> you think golf boring?what you think of cricket?
about two percent less boring than golf
bob young
"J.O. Aho" wrote:
what's with all that protective headgear for the batsman then?
>
>
> //Aho
bob young
Philip wrote:
> camy wrote:
> > you think golf boring?what you think of cricket?
> > J.O. Aho wrote:
> > > mkao wrote:
> > > > Who invented golf? China takes a swing
> > >
> > > Gosh, who cares it's still not a sport and it's damn boring like curling...
>
> Golf is for fat old men with heart problems and no life.
>
> Cricket is as exciting as watching paint dry boring
> invented by college pompous farts.
Try getting up on a soap box in the middle of a park in Sydney Australia and say
that.
Then it will be YOU doing all the farting and no doubt, quite a lot more
bob
Brit.
hong kong
>
>
> http://www.southbucksarchers.fsnet.co.uk/robhood.wav
>
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> Riding through the glen,
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> With his band of men,
> Feared by the bad, loved by the good,
> Robin Hood! Robin Hood! Robin Hood!
>
> He called the greatest archers
> To a tavern on the green,
> They vowed to help the people of the king,
> They handled all the trouble
> On the English country scene,
> And still found plenty of time to sing.
>
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> Riding through the glen,
> Robin Hood, Robin Hood,
> With his band of men,
> Feared by the bad, loved by the good,
> Robin Hood! Robin Hood! Robin Hood!
>
> Hahaha
Your point being?
Or are you capable of having one?
bob young
"J.Venning" wrote:
In the seventies we used to call them 'angry young men' and I guess he is a twentyfirst century version of that.
bob young
"Ira Humperdink MD " wrote:
> soccer is for drunk high school punks who cannot read or write?
Another time wasting 'extreem view'
bob young
booby wrote:
> "perhaps the term 'centre of the world' does indeed have a real relevance
> afterall.
I would say it simply underlines the basic arrogance of human beings. We
are, of course, our own worst enemy, which takes on a new and horrific
meaning with the present spread of nuclear weapons.
[would the last person alive on this planet please switch off the lights]
dee
don_t...@hotmail.com
dee 寫道：
> Oo, did they? Didn't know that.
They didn't.
Hitting a ball with a stick into a hole isn't golf.
It's pocket billiards.
J.Venning
>
>> What's this about Robin Hood? It sort of dates you back a bit, doesn't it? I remember seeing the series in ITV from way back when, with Richard Greene in the title role.
>
J.
camy
Ira Humperdink MD <irahump...@hotmail.com> schrieb:
> soccer is for drunk high school punks who cannot read or write?
Ira Humperdink MD <irahumperdinkMD@hotmail.com>
your a*holes in the Baseball World Conference!
China already lost all 3 games and is eliminated. Where is Australia's
team? buahahahahah!
J.O. Aho
Good that China didn't win, as the guys would have to pay heavy penalties for
all the spitting. I think all the others will let USA to win the spitting
competition.
Philip
You are joking Australia population so small it could fit in my back
garden
Oz wankers all mouth no action. Anyway they are all extremely feminine
homosexuals. They would certainly chase somebody but it wouldn't be for
a fight.
Australia should have a new name Australia you are now called
the nation of fist fuckers..
"Good on your mate"
Namby pamby bastards big girl's blouses..
You are welcome it is all in a days work cunts.
http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic fucking yanks.
Philip
PostalCode: 78746
Country: US
Anybody using your computer certainly cannot read or write or anything
else.
They do say the system ( OS X ) was made to be the simplest made, for
simpletons.
http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic fucking yanks.
James
mkao wrote:
> Who invented golf? China takes a swing
I still think it was invented by Scottish ashmen wacking sheep poop off
the street with their brooms.
Wakalukong
There's nothing global about the baseball "world" conference. In fact,
there's nothing global about baseball itself.
Wakalukong
J.O. Aho
> They do say the system ( OS X ) was made to be the simplest made, for
> simpletons.
PeterL
mkao wrote:
> Who invented golf? China takes a swing
> By Patrick L. Smith International Herald Tribune
Actually what they invented was baseball. Or was it cricket? Hitting
a ball with a stick? That's call stick ball in NYC. Probably
homoerectus invented it.
bob young
Philip wrote:
> > **************Or are you capable of having one?****************
> >
> > >
> > >
>
> You are joking Australia population so small it could fit in my back
> garden
> Oz wankers all mouth no action. Anyway they are all extremely feminine
> homosexuals. They would certainly chase somebody but it wouldn't be for
>
> a fight.
>
> Australia should have a new name Australia you are now called
> the nation of fist fuckers..
>
> "Good on your mate"
>
> Namby pamby bastards big girl's blouses..
>
> You are welcome it is all in a days work cunts.
Seems I was right - see above
Ira Humperdink MD <irahumperdinkMD@hotmail.com>
Eagle
James wrote:
> I still think it was invented by Scottish ashmen wacking sheep poop off
> the street with their brooms.
Golf is Chinese???
Hogmanay is said to be Scandinavian
Whisky is from Ireland
Is this a conspiracy to rid the World of Scottish Culture?
Anyone want to lay claim to the Haggis?
The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
>
> James wrote:
>
>> I still think it was invented by Scottish ashmen wacking sheep poop off
>> the street with their brooms.
>
> Golf is Chinese???
> Hogmanay is said to be Scandinavian
> Whisky is from Ireland
I think whisk_e_y is from Ireland or any other country for that matter,
but only Scotland makes whisky ... although it seems the Japanese have had
a go:)
> Is this a conspiracy to rid the World of Scottish Culture?
>
> Anyone want to lay claim to the Haggis?
I will! I will! I'll take as many as you can get me!
Philip
It is called Penguin propaganda I was also involved in
this in the 90s it is just Penguin propaganda.
PeterL
At least ping pong players are in much better shape than those fat
slobbering baseball players with dirty tobacco spit coming out of their
mouths. Eeech! How is that attractive?
camy
caddie.
PeterL schrieb:
camy
while watching other people play.
"Ira Humperdink MD <irahump...@hotmail.com>"
schrieb:1141627592....@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Philip
(baseball)
In Britain, it is only played by schoolgirls and it is called
"Rounders"
the idea was taken to America by an Irishman.
http://www.nra-rounders.co.uk/
It's not meant to be played by men! Hahaha.
Draco
"> Anyone want to lay claim to the Haggis?
I will! I will! I'll take as many as you can get me!"
You are more than welcome to it.
Yuck.
The Chinese didn't invent golf. It just seems
that they are playing more.
Draco
Getting even isn't good enough.
The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
> fifeshire bimbo wrote in answer to:
> "> Anyone want to lay claim to the Haggis?
> I will! I will! I'll take as many as you can get me!"
> You are more than welcome to it.
Thank you!
> Yuck.
Have you ever actually tasted it?
James
Haggis. You don't suppose Scottish missionaries bought it to China?
I've heard of rice christians not not haggis christians.
The Highlander
Now you know why the Scots ran Hong Kong and why they got on so
famously with the Chinese. I have done a lot of Chinese business on
the strength of the Scottish reputation; something Scots should be
proud of.
The Scots were famous for being fair, honest and immune to bribery,
known as "Heung Yau - Fragrant Grease" in Cantonese! (Heung Gong, or
in English, Hong Kong means Fragrant Harbour." In fact, Hong Kong
Harbour is one of the biggest and best on the Pacific and was usually
full of American warships getting work done at Asian rates!
As I once pointed out in an argument with a mainland Chinese about
whether Hong Kong exploited the Chinese, "Show me one Chinese who ever
deserted Hong Kong to join Mainland China!"
The Highlander
Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns
an pòst seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil.
The views expressed in this post are not
necessarily those of The Highlander.
The Highlander
Of course he hasn't. He's just another second-rate human being who
isn't Scottish and is green with envy that he can't be.
greenkeeper
writes
Messrs Matheson and Jardine say hello.
They do have some nice golf courses now though.
--
alan
The Highlander
From Bermuda, I presume. I don't think anyone quite got over the
spectacle of them deserting the sinking ship when the PRC took over
Hong Kong...
I know some of the family who live here in western Canada.
>
>They do have some nice golf courses now though.
I'll bet!
>--
>alan
almost...@gmail.com
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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>I have and believe me it is worse then you could imagine.
eh?
Josiah Jenkins
Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> :
Don't ask !
If "it is worse then (sic) you could imagine",
I don't think we really want to know what he has.
-- jjj
James
(Chitterlings)?