China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama
chatnoir
China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama
DAVID STRINGER
Associated Press
May 22, 2008 at 10:17 AM EDT
LONDON — China lacks the moral authority needed to be considered a
superpower, the Dalai Lama said Thursday in remarks to British
legislators in which he also noted that the Summer Olympics provide an
opportunity to press Beijing over human rights.
“Chinese leaders want to be a good member of the whole world, and the
Chinese ambition is to become a superpower,” the Dalai Lama told
Parliament's foreign affairs select committee.
He said China meets most of the criteria to become a leading power,
but still lacks the moral standing required to achieve the global
status it craves.
“Big population, there,” he said. “Army, there. Economic power, there.
The fourth thing is moral authority. In order to become a superpower,
moral authority is very important.”
The Dalai Lama is on an 11-day visit to Britain. He meets with Prime
Minister Gordon Brown on Friday at Lambeth Palace, home of the
Archbishop of Canterbury, the spiritual leader of the Church of
England and the Anglican Communion.
Some opposition politicians have accused Mr. Brown of trying to avoid
provoking China by meeting the Dalai Lama at Lambeth Palace rather
than at his official Downing Street residence.
“For me, no difference,” the Dalai Lama said, when asked about Brown's
choice of venue. “It's all meeting and talking; that's the important
thing.”
The Dalai Lama also said he believes world leaders should attend the
Beijing Olympics if they believe meeting with Chinese leaders will
help improve the country's human rights policies.
He told the British Broadcasting Corp. that he believes the Summer
Games could provide a chance to press China over Tibet.
“If they feel to talk and meet with Chinese leaders is more effective,
then go there,” he said, referring to the Olympics.
“The world should take this opportunity to remind the Chinese
government of its poor record on human rights and religious freedom
and the environment.”
Meanwhile, the 72-year-old exiled Tibetan leader said he sensed that
China is slowly changing its approach.
“I think at least decade by decade,” he said. “Hopefully now (this
will) lead to a more transparent attitude in other fields, including
the Tibet case.”
Chinese officials seemed unimpressed by the Dalai Lama's earlier
statement that he would consider attending the Beijing Olympics, if a
number of conditions were met.
“If the Dalai side truly wants to make some contribution to his
motherland, then he should really stop separatist activities, stop
plotting and provoking violent activities and stop disrupting the
Beijing Olympics,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang.
The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in Dharamsala, India, since 1959,
eight years after Chinese troops occupied Tibet.
Protests against Chinese rule began in March in the Tibetan capital,
Lhasa, on the 49th anniversary of a failed uprising against Chinese
rule.
Events turned violent and touched off pro-Tibetan demonstrations in
three neighbouring provinces — and around the world during the Olympic
torch relay.
bmo...@nyx.net
> “If the Dalai side truly wants to make some contribution to his
> motherland, then he should really stop separatist activities, stop
> plotting and provoking violent activities and stop disrupting the
> Beijing Olympics,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang.
The problem is that no matter what the Dalai Lama does or says, the
Chinese government will always accuse him of "provoking violence" or
"disrupting the Olympics". It doesn't matter what the truth is. Even
if the Dalai Lama is 100% sincere, it doesn't matter.
rst0wxyz
It would help if he stop being a CIA stooge.
bmo...@nyx.net
You're as bad as the Chinese government!
rst0wxyz
We are coming up fast.
bmo...@nyx.net
You are not the Chinese government. But yes, the Chinese government is
learning. But in some things they are still in denial.
rst0wxyz
They are much better than George Worthless Bush.
bmo...@nyx.net
That's neither here nor there. And despite Bush, I would still rather
live here, under our system. No question.
ltlee1
Bush and Dick Cheney certainly have moral fiber. That is why they
decided to invade Iraq.
bmo...@nyx.net
Unable to address the original point in any meaningful way, LT Lee
tries to change the subject to Iraq. Typical.
YaluRiverRosie
CHINA may one day be an economic superpower, i.e., finance, trade,
etc. But as we've pointed out ad nauseam, it will NEVER reach its
potential until its 1.1 billion HAVE-NOTS can partake of the country's
prosperity. And this will require incredible funds to EDUCATE and
TRAIN these unfortunates to enter the "21st century." Not likely to
happen for decades.
As for "moral fibre," any "government" that kills and tortures its own
citizens for requesting civil liberties -- as the CRAVEN COMMIES DO --
has ZERO moral fibre.
ltlee1
> "China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama"
>
> CHINA may one day be an economic superpower, i.e., finance, trade,
> etc. But as we've pointed out ad nauseam, it will NEVER reach its
> potential until its 1.1 billion HAVE-NOTS can partake of the country's
> prosperity. And this will require incredible funds to EDUCATE and
> TRAIN these unfortunates to enter the "21st century." Not likely to
> happen for decades.
No human cannot reach his full potential until all other humans are
also educated. So the problem is not about China educates its have-
nots. But the world educates its collective have-nots.
The difference among countries are their approaches. Self proclaimed
"high moral fiber" countries acceslarate the process by invading other
countries and killing other poeple precisely because they think they
have a monopoly in truth and morality.
> As for "moral fibre," any "government" that kills and tortures its own
> citizens for requesting civil liberties -- as the CRAVEN COMMIES DO --
> has ZERO moral fibre.
All countries inflict pain and suffering on its citizens as the result
of propinquity. The difference between countries is that the strong
one and the so called superpower often use their strength to inflict
pain and suffering on citizens of weaker coutnries.
rst0wxyz
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, me, three.
bmo...@nyx.net
> On May 22, 2:41 pm, YaluRiverRosie <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama"
>
> > CHINA may one day be an economic superpower, i.e., finance, trade,
> > etc. But as we've pointed out ad nauseam, it will NEVER reach its
> > potential until its 1.1 billion HAVE-NOTS can partake of the country's
> > prosperity. And this will require incredible funds to EDUCATE and
> > TRAIN these unfortunates to enter the "21st century." Not likely to
> > happen for decades.
>
> No human cannot reach his full potential until all other humans are
> also educated. So the problem is not about China educates its have-
> nots. But the world educates its collective have-nots.
Typical weird, evasive answer from LT Lee.
>
> The difference among countries are their approaches. Self proclaimed
> "high moral fiber" countries acceslarate the process by invading other
> countries and killing other poeple precisely because they think they
> have a monopoly in truth and morality.
>
> > As for "moral fibre," any "government" that kills and tortures its own
> > citizens for requesting civil liberties -- as the CRAVEN COMMIES DO --
> > has ZERO moral fibre.
>
> All countries inflict pain and suffering on its citizens as the result
> of propinquity.
Whatever you say, LT. Not too sure what that word means, are ya?
> The difference between countries is that the strong
> one and the so called superpower often use their strength to inflict
> pain and suffering on citizens of weaker coutnries.
You make it all sound so simple. But of course, it's not.
Unfortunately, you lack the honesty moral fiber to discuss it
honestly.
PaPaPeng
The last thing the DL wants is actually being able to return to Tibet.
Once there he loses all his privileges of world travel, meeting
important people, being treated like a head of state, receiving all
manner of freebies and honors, easy money from sympathetic suckers,
lots of slack time inbetween visits, etc. Once there (in Tibet) he
will actually have to do some serious work like delivering on the
promises he made and meeting the expectations of 2 million (or is it 6
million as his followers claim?) Tibetans. And leading them in Lama
chants like those used in an attempt by the FBI to drive the Branch
Dravidians nuts at Waco. The prospect must fill the DL with horror
too.
If you have been observing the DL as long as I have then you have
noticed that everytime when it seems that some progress with China
seems within the realm of the possible (China has agreed to meet for
talks with the DL's representatives) he will say some boneheaded thing
that will derail the progress. The DL just did it again.
But there is more to his method than this. The DL knows very well
China will never let him return. He also knows that when there are
talks with China, they'll get nowhere and eat up a lot of time, the
world will lose interest in Tibet. That means no money coming in. It
also means that people tend to forget him and that's money not coming
back forever. So he (DL) has to stoke the coals to get the fire going
again. He needs to be very careful how he does it. He has to say
just enough for China to lash back. It's like a brat provoking an
elder sibling so that he gets wacked for his efforts. Then he can cry
"Maaaa, he's hitting me!" and get mom to punish the elder sib. Aka
get Western politicians to censure China and start another round of
collecting money from donors. But he (DL) cannot say or do something
too obviously provocative so that the world can see through his ruse.
After half a century the DL has got this down to a fine art and that's
what you are seeing now (the provoocation in the original post.) So
have the Chinese. They too learned how to play the DL's game. Which
is why inspite of intense provocation over the Olympics Torch and the
Tibet riots that included innocent deaths the Chinese government did
not carry out a heavy crackdown and even agreed to talks with the DL.
They'll get nowhere. The DL certainly cannot let these talks deflate
his claims of Chinese persecution. But because there are talks
Western leaders now avoid the DL like a bad case of flu. So the DL is
trying his darnest to make China mad at him. Good try. Worth
watching this game.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<1ff20c97-6c2d-47bf...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
> On May 22, 2:41 pm, YaluRiverRosie <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama"
>>
>> CHINA may one day be an economic superpower, i.e., finance, trade,
>> etc. But as we've pointed out ad nauseam, it will NEVER reach its
>> potential until its 1.1 billion HAVE-NOTS can partake of the country's
>> prosperity. And this will require incredible funds to EDUCATE and
>> TRAIN these unfortunates to enter the "21st century." Not likely to
>> happen for decades.
>
> No human cannot reach his full potential until all other humans are
> also educated. So the problem is not about China educates its have-
> nots. But the world educates its collective have-nots.
Again, Mr. Lee can not handle the analysis directly so he changes the
subject. Is this his ONLY rhetorical device?
> The difference among countries are their approaches. Self proclaimed
> "high moral fiber" countries acceslarate the process by invading other
> countries and killing other poeple precisely because they think they
> have a monopoly in truth and morality.
Wait, I am confused. The CCP claims high moral fiber. Is Mr. Lee criticizing
the CCP? Yikes.
--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<2810333d-e551-4da2...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
This would be funny if it were sad. Of all your delusions, this is the most
bizarre.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<079279cf-f5c7-45e9...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>):
Well said.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<bf9615c7-b67a-4df0...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
> On May 22, 11:52 am, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/48rh5r
>>
>> China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama
>> DAVID STRINGER
>>
>> Associated Press
>>
>> May 22, 2008 at 10:17 AM EDT
>>
>> LONDON China lacks the moral authority needed to be considered a
>> superpower, the Dalai Lama said Thursday in remarks to British
>> legislators in which he also noted that the Summer Olympics provide an
>> opportunity to press Beijing over human rights.
> Bush and Dick Cheney certainly have moral fiber. That is why they
> decided to invade Iraq.
I am glad to see you agreed with the DL. Oh, wait. You didn't agree (or
disagree). You only changed the subject.
Bizarre.
You would think you could learn some other tactics.
Jim Walsh
(in article <h2sb34pmebrcjper0...@4ax.com>):
>
> The last thing the DL wants is actually being able to return to Tibet.
You don't know that.
Of course, the DL does not want to return to China only to be put in prison.
But were the CCP to guarantee his freedom, he would probably return
immediately.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<eb218722-4740-43d8...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):
Well, let's see.
Are the leaders of the CCP (governing the PRC) willing to have their
administration step down and be replaced by officials chosen by the Chinese
people?
No? Then they are worse than any elected leader, including Bush.
CharlesLiu
That's a very good question - assuming China even wants to be this
supposed "superpower", what is this "moral fiber" the reporter spoke
of (DL didn't use the term "moral fiber", as it seems.)
Not only should we look at current self-proclaimed "superpower", also
other superpowers in other times and places:
- US (invasion of Iraq, Vietnam, and elsewhere)
- Germany before WWII (Holocaust)
- British Empire (Opium War, millions of Indians dead under British
Colonialism)
- Roman Empire
Doesn't look like morality is a prerequisit.
bmo...@nyx.net
I was surprised to read that the Dalai Lama used that term. It's not
like him. Do you know what he really said?
>
> Not only should we look at current self-proclaimed "superpower", also
> other superpowers in other times and places:
>
> - US (invasion of Iraq, Vietnam, and elsewhere)
>
> - Germany before WWII (Holocaust)
>
> - British Empire (Opium War, millions of Indians dead under British
> Colonialism)
>
> - Roman Empire
>
> Doesn't look like morality is a prerequisit.
>
>
>
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>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 02:01:05 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
> > On May 22, 10:38 am, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:
> >> But yes, the Chinese government is
> >> learning. But in some things they are still in denial.
>
> > They are much better than George Worthless Bush.
>
> Well, let's see.
>
> Are the leaders of the CCP (governing the PRC) willing to have their
> administration step down and be replaced by officials chosen by the Chinese
> people?
The "people" can be twisted and bought. There is no requirement to
let idiotic people direct a government. A government must be
controlled by proven leaders with experience. The United States is a
classic example why you can not trust the people with the leadership
of the country by one George Worthless Bush which was elected by
idiotic people not only once, but twice. And the people of the United
States are suffering from his misrule.
And you are arguing that China should let people elected misfits like
George Worthless Bush to rule China? such nonesense is inexcusable.
>
> No? Then they are worse than any elected leader, including Bush.
Who would want a George Worthless Bush as a leader? Not China!!!
rst0wxyz
> (in article
>
> > On May 22, 9:31 am, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:
> >> On May 22, 8:52 am, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >>> “If the Dalai side truly wants to make some contribution to his
> >>> motherland, then he should really stop separatist activities, stop
> >>> plotting and provoking violent activities and stop disrupting the
> >>> Beijing Olympics,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang.
>
> >> The problem is that no matter what the Dalai Lama does or says, the
> >> Chinese government will always accuse him of "provoking violence" or
> >> "disrupting the Olympics". It doesn't matter what the truth is. Even
> >> if the Dalai Lama is 100% sincere, it doesn't matter.
>
> > It would help if he stop being a CIA stooge.
>
> This would be funny if it were sad. Of all your delusions, this is the most
> bizarre.
If it were not true, it would really be funny. The Dalai Lama is the
biggest CIA stooge ever.
rst0wxyz
>
>
>
> > The last thing the DL wants is actually being able to return to Tibet.
>
> You don't know that.
>
> Of course, the DL does not want to return to China only to be put in prison.
> But were the CCP to guarantee his freedom, he would probably return
> immediately.
The Dalai Lama doesn't want to return to Tibet, and certainly not to
China. He's having a time of his life, at CIA expenses, traveling all
over the world, being greeted by royalties and being treated like
royalty. He's not a fool.
rst0wxyz
bmo...@nyx.net
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 09:31:08 -0700 (PDT), bmo...@nyx.net wrote:
> >On May 22, 8:52 am, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> “If the Dalai side truly wants to make some contribution to his
> >> motherland, then he should really stop separatist activities, stop
> >> plotting and provoking violent activities and stop disrupting the
> >> Beijing Olympics,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang.
>
> >The problem is that no matter what the Dalai Lama does or says, the
> >Chinese government will always accuse him of "provoking violence" or
> >"disrupting the Olympics". It doesn't matter what the truth is. Even
> >if the Dalai Lama is 100% sincere, it doesn't matter.
>
> The last thing the DL wants is actually being able to return to Tibet.
I actually read all of your rant and while it is certainly
journalisticly good, I still think it's a rant.
> Once there he loses all his privileges of world travel, meeting
> important people, being treated like a head of state, receiving all
> manner of freebies and honors, easy money from sympathetic suckers,
> lots of slack time inbetween visits, etc. Once there (in Tibet) he
> will actually have to do some serious work like delivering on the
> promises he made and meeting the expectations of 2 million (or is it 6
> million as his followers claim?) Tibetans. And leading them in Lama
> chants like those used in an attempt by the FBI to drive the Branch
> Dravidians nuts at Waco. The prospect must fill the DL with horror
> too.
>
> If you have been observing the DL as long as I have then you have
> noticed that everytime when it seems that some progress with China
> seems within the realm of the possible (China has agreed to meet for
> talks with the DL's representatives) he will say some boneheaded thing
> that will derail the progress. The DL just did it again.
Concrete examples, please?
> But there is more to his method than this.
The Dalai Lama is pretty real. He is a bit unschooled in when one
should sit properly at the dinner table. He has acted silly in front
of a microphone. He's not a Shangri-la stereotype. But he seems pretty
cool and straightshooting to me.
> The DL knows very well
> China will never let him return. He also knows that when there are
> talks with China, they'll get nowhere and eat up a lot of time, the
> world will lose interest in Tibet. That means no money coming in. It
> also means that people tend to forget him and that's money not coming
> back forever.
It's not all about the money, man.
PaPaPeng
<jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 May 2008 07:12:46 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
>(in article <h2sb34pmebrcjper0...@4ax.com>):
>
>>
>> The last thing the DL wants is actually being able to return to Tibet.
>
>You don't know that.
>
>Of course, the DL does not want to return to China only to be put in prison.
>But were the CCP to guarantee his freedom, he would probably return
>immediately.
You Jimbo don't have the smarts to appreciate this kind of game. So
you don't get to play.
bmo...@nyx.net
Yes, I guess in that sense it's a good thing ;-)
rst0wxyz
> "China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama"
China have never had any "moral fibre" since time memorial. The last
king of the shang dynasty was well-known for his strange torture
methods. Qin ShiHuang killed mercilessly, by beheading, starving, by
poisoning, by burning, by burying alive,... Chu-Han Contention killed
half the population. Li Shimin killed his own brothers to become
emperor. The Mongols wanted to kill off all Chinese to make China a
pasture for cattle and sheep. Zhu Yuanzhang killed all the people
that help him to establish the Ming Dynasty, and killed ministers and
everybody associated with him at the slidest displeasure. Of course,
Qing Dynasty's famous line; lose your hair or lose your head. The
Western powers and the Japanese killed the Chinese mercilessly during
the 1800s and the early 1900s. So where is this "moral fibre" he's
talking about?
No nation with power has any "moral fibre", otherwise, they wouldn't
be a power.
>
> CHINA may one day be an economic superpower, i.e., finance, trade,
> etc. But as we've pointed out ad nauseam, it will NEVER reach its
> potential until its 1.1 billion HAVE-NOTS can partake of the country's
> prosperity. And this will require incredible funds to EDUCATE and
> TRAIN these unfortunates to enter the "21st century." Not likely to
> happen for decades.
If China can stay out of war for the next 30 - 50 years, China has a
chance of becoming a superpower.
>
> As for "moral fibre," any "government" that kills and tortures its own
> citizens for requesting civil liberties -- as the CRAVEN COMMIES DO --
> has ZERO moral fibre.
The United States killed the blacks without any thought or guilt for
over 200 years while the constitution was championed the liberty of
all men!!! Where was the moral fibre of the United States? How did
the United States become a superpower?
Jim Walsh
(in article
<566bf0f6-2613-48a6...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
>
> And you are arguing that China should let people elected misfits like George
> Worthless Bush to rule China? such nonesense is inexcusable.
I am arguing that the Chinese (i.e., everyone) has the human right to vote on
their own government officials. Denial of that right is tyranny.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<566bf0f6-2613-48a6...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
> On May 22, 9:10 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>> Are the leaders of the CCP (governing the PRC) willing to have their
>> administration step down and be replaced by officials chosen by the Chinese
>> people?
>
> The "people" can be twisted and bought.
Are the people WEAKER for having the ballot? Of course the rich and powerful
everywhere have a disproportionate influence on the governments.
But does giving the people the right to vote WEAKEN or STRENGTHEN them?
The answer to this question is so obvious (it strengthens them) and that
answer is so contrary to your beloved tyrants, you avoid answering it.
Show some courage. Give an honest answer.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<74dbf9ed-d6d8-43c2...@f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
> Where was the moral fibre of the United States? How did the United States
> become a superpower?
The answer to the first question is related to the second.
Were you put on this earth in (say) 1890 and looked at the New World, you
would have guessed that Argentina or Brazil would be a world power soon.
(Unless you were foolish) you would not have held out much hope for America.
But Argentina and Brazil took the low road, with various dictators and
military rulers, while the USA slowly, painfully and by dint of hard work
improved its governing system, making it more and more democratic.
Then came the Great War in Europe. Wisely America did its best to stay out of
it, but Germany insisting on forcing America into the war. Shortly
afterwards, America entered the war and Germany was defeated.
The US then slipped back into isolationism, and the world slipped into the
Great Depression (caused mostly by protectionism that destroyed world trade
and deflationary policies that ruined businesses by the hundreds -- and their
banks).
Wars started in Europe (Nazi aggression) and Asia (Japanese fascist
aggression), but the US tried to stay out of it.
And the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The US was angered. It f"orgot" that it
could not just print money. The federal government found a war-related job
for every fit adult. This policy was supported by the voters and the
isolationists were not re-elected.
And America (with British and Russian help) defeated the Nazis. And America
(with Chinese help) defeated the Japanese.
And bingo the USA was a world power.
PaPaPeng
>> If you have been observing the DL as long as I have then you have
>> noticed that everytime when it seems that some progress with China
>> seems within the realm of the possible (China has agreed to meet for
>> talks with the DL's representatives) he will say some boneheaded thing
>> that will derail the progress. The DL just did it again.
>
>Concrete examples, please?
Right there in the first paragraph
[LONDON — China lacks the _ (1)moral authority_ needed to be
considered a superpower, the Dalai Lama said Thursday in remarks to
British legislators in which he also noted that the Summer Olympics
provide an_opportunity to press Beijing over (2)human rights_.]
You had misssed the above two slaps didn't yuh? Even Chatnoir nailed
it right away "China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama"
on this thread's subject title.
British legislators are going to love that one as ammo to bring down
PM Brown. Not tough enough on China. Weasling out on support for the
DL, etc.
The DL's well honed technique is to insult China just a little enough
to give a one-two slap on China's face. If China retaliates China is
being vindicative over a petty matter. China won't bite. In any case
the DL's idea is to sour up the negotiations without anyone else other
than China noticing.
The big game is the negotiations must never proceed to a stage where
there is some real movement, like China allowing the DL to the table
or to visit China. That would be disastrous for the DL. International
pressure would force the DL to accept and get the DL out of their
lives. The DL hasn't got a Plan B.
ltlee1
Like other western journalist, this one is too eager to bash China and
too lazy to investigate and/or think things through. The term used by
the DL is moral authority, not moral fiber. What the DL said makes
sense. Objectively speaking, as long as China or another other country
cannot benchmark what is right international behaviior, globally
speaking, it is not a superpower. But moral authority has nothing to
do with moral fiber. As the presidents of America, Bush and Cheney
certainly have moral authority in the sense that they are in a
position to bench mark what is acceptible international behavior. But
does it mean they have moral fiber?
> Not only should we look at current self-proclaimed "superpower", also
> other superpowers in other times and places:
>
> - US (invasion of Iraq, Vietnam, and elsewhere)
>
> - Germany before WWII (Holocaust)
>
> - British Empire (Opium War, millions of Indians dead under British
> Colonialism)
>
> - Roman Empire
>
> Doesn't look like morality is a prerequisit.
Superpower can be understood in more than one way. One hundred
victories in one hundred batters is one kind of superpower. Victory
without fighting is another kind of superpower. The former kind does
not moral authority. The latter kind reflects various degrees of moral
authority.
>
>
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rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:29:53 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
> > The "people" can be twisted and bought.
>
> Are the people WEAKER for having the ballot?
Yes, definitely. People in general are greedy. Greedy people can be
bought easily with money. As a matter of fact, the United States is
thinking about a lottery of a million dollars as an incentive for
people to come to vote. That is how low election has become in the
United States.
> Of course the rich and powerful
> everywhere have a disproportionate influence on the governments.
Agree.
>
> But does giving the people the right to vote WEAKEN or STRENGTHEN them?
The right to vote does not weaken or strengthen the people. In most
elections, less than half of the voters voted. And on district
elections, very very few people voted, which should attract the most
attention since the decisions affect them the most.
>
> The answer to this question is so obvious (it strengthens them) and that
It certainly does not strengthen anyone nor does it weaken anyone.
Election is a process of futility. It's the same as flipping a coin,
head or tail, it's a meaningless process. Stock pickers have done
better by throwing a dart at a newspaper listing of common stocks.
The election of George Worthless Bush is a prime example of election.
We elected a dud not once, but twice as president of the United
States.
The city district of San Francisco elected Ed Jew as supervisor.
Within 5 months, he was under FBI investigation for bribing immigrant
businessmen for $84,000 which the FBI itself put up $40,000 of marked
bills. He was charged with lying about living in San Francisco while
actually living in Burlingame using his father's emptied house as his
address. Four years earlier, he ran against Fiona Ma and Fiona Ma
already said that he really lives in Burlingame. Fiona Ma was elected
to the State Assembly, and Ed Jew tried again and won. He resigned
under pressure and now has court dates from the FBI for bribery and
mail fraud, city attorney for lying under oath. This is the process
of election, electing crooks and thieves and morons to be fat cats.
> answer is so contrary to your beloved tyrants, you avoid answering it.
What you called "beloved tyrants", others called conpetent leadership
that has done wonderful for a country that was once the coolies of the
world.
>
> Show some courage. Give an honest answer.
You are nothing but a aggitator trying to incite chaos and dissension
for China. Why don't you have some courage and admit the Chinese
leadership has done much much better than the United States and they
are rising above the countrymen's expectation to be a great nation.
You, Jim Walsh, can not give an honest answer. You are nothing but an
agent for trouble.
rst0wxyz
> (in article
>
>
>
> > And you are arguing that China should let people elected misfits like George
> > Worthless Bush to rule China? such nonesense is inexcusable.
>
> I am arguing that the Chinese (i.e., everyone) has the human right to vote on
> their own government officials. Denial of that right is tyranny.
China is doing great whether you like it or not, Jim Walsh. Go away
and kill yourself either with a gun or jump into a lake and drown
yourself. It's useless talking to you.
chatnoir
So that is what happens to those who disagree with the CCP!
rst0wxyz
Yeah, talk to George Worthless Bush. He's a prime example of today's
world leaders, ruthless with the killer instinct, ready to send out
the Predator with "precision guided missiles" that kill innocent
families with children.
rst0wxyz
> (in article
>
> > On May 22, 2:41 pm, YaluRiverRosie <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "China lacks moral fibre to be superpower: Dalai Lama"
>
> >> CHINA may one day be an economic superpower, i.e., finance, trade,
> >> etc. But as we've pointed out ad nauseam, it will NEVER reach its
> >> potential until its 1.1 billion HAVE-NOTS can partake of the country's
> >> prosperity. And this will require incredible funds to EDUCATE and
> >> TRAIN these unfortunates to enter the "21st century." Not likely to
> >> happen for decades.
>
> > No human cannot reach his full potential until all other humans are
> > also educated. So the problem is not about China educates its have-
> > nots. But the world educates its collective have-nots.
>
> Again, Mr. Lee can not handle the analysis directly so he changes the
> subject. Is this his ONLY rhetorical device?
No, he didn't change the subject. He just doesn't know what he is
talking about.
>
> > The difference among countries are their approaches. Self proclaimed
> > "high moral fiber" countries acceslarate the process by invading other
> > countries and killing other poeple precisely because they think they
> > have a monopoly in truth and morality.
>
> Wait, I am confused.
That is nothing new. You are always confused anyway. That is why you
are living in Taiwan teaching English to little kids.
> The CCP claims high moral fiber.
Yeah, the same as the United States, ruthless, shoot to kill. Money
is the devil for all humanity.
> Is Mr. Lee criticizing
> the CCP? Yikes.
LT Lee is criticizing Jim Walsh, Bill Moore, demorising, RAT, Albert
Fung, and almost everybody except me. I'm the only good guy around.
chatnoir
Name any domestic Political person he has killed for any reason!
PaPaPeng
==============================
A more up to date example of his (DL's) technique. One would think
that with his representatives in talks with China he would be more
circumspect in his public announcements. But with world sympathy for
China over the quake his previously carefully planned attack on China
using the Olympics has been swamped. The DL has to do something
desperate to get back on the headlines. One way is to provoke China
into striking back like commenting on matters that do not support his
claim as a religious leader only. Won't happen. China's wise to the
DL's worn out tricks.
Tibet could be 'swamped' by mass Chinese settlement after Olympics,
says Dalai Lama· Buddhist leader fears attempt to dilute identity
· Meeting with Brown helpful despite problems
Julian Borger,
diplomatic editor
The Guardian,
Saturday May 24 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/24/tibet.china
Tibetan spiritual leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama interviewed in
London. Photograph: David Levene/Guardian
The Dalai Lama claimed yesterday that Beijing was planning the mass
settlement of 1 million ethnic Chinese people in Tibet after the
Olympics with the aim of diluting Tibetan culture and identity.
Tibet's exiled spiritual leader also claimed that some of Asia's most
important rivers which flow from the Tibetan plateau are being
polluted and diminished by careless industrialisation and unplanned
irrigation.
The Dalai Lama made the claims in an interview with the Guardian after
a meeting yesterday with Gordon Brown at Lambeth Palace. He said the
talks had been detailed and the prime minister had been helpful "in
spite of his difficulties". The Dalai Lama said: "He met me and he
showed genuine concern and he wants to help."
Downing Street said the discussion focused on talks due next month on
Tibet's future between Tibetan representatives and Beijing officials.
The prime minister is said to have stressed the importance of the
Dalai Lama's pledge to oppose violence, not seek Tibetan independence,
nor support a boycott of the Beijing Olympics.
The Dalai Lama said he feared the Chinese authorities could take a
tougher line on Tibet after the Olympics, and possibly flood it with
Han Chinese, the world's largest ethnic group.
The Dalai Lama said he had been informed by Tibetan residents that
large areas of empty land had been marked out, as if for construction,
in the past two years. "Then last year we received information - after
the Olympics 1 million Chinese are going to settle in the autonomous
region of Tibet," he said, adding the information came from a
"military source" in Tibet.
"There is every danger Tibet becomes a truly Han Chinese land and
Tibetans become an insignificant minority. Then the very basis of the
idea of autonomy becomes meaningless."
There has been an increasing influx of Chinese settlers into Tibet in
recent years as transport has improved, but the exact figures are a
matter of dispute. According to an official census in 2000, there were
2.4 million Tibetans in the region and 159,000 Han Chinese. The
government in exile says there are many more Chinese if migrant
workers and soldiers are counted. The Dalai Lama has said there is a
Han majority in Lhasa, the regional capital.
China has denied carrying out any deliberate settlement policy aimed
at the dilution of Tibetan culture and points instead to the benefits
brought to the region by economic development and investment.
The Dalai Lama claimed over-settlement and over-exploitation of Tibet
was threatening the quality and flow of rivers flowing out of the
Tibetan highlands, including the Yangtze, the Yellow River, the Indus,
the Mekong and the Ganges.
"Due to carelessness these waters have been polluted and also reduced,
and I think billions of people's lives depend on these rivers," the
Dalai Lama said. "[There has been] mining without proper care,
deforestation ... irrigation without proper planning. In some valleys,
new diseases have developed which some specialists believe is the
result of water pollution."
Lhasa is now relatively quiet since protests were put down by Chinese
troops in March, and the Dalai Lama has threatened to resign if the
unrest turns to violence. But he said the Tibetan commitment to
non-violence might not outlast him.
"Now there are signs of frustration among Tibetans, not only young
monks," the 72-year-old Buddhist leader said. He said Tibetans were
now telling themselves: "While the Dalai Lama remains, we have to
follow his advice. That means non-violence. After him, we ourselves
will take appropriate action."
The next talks between representatives of the Dalai Lama and China are
scheduled for Beijing on June 11. On Wednesday, envoys of the Tibetan
leader visited the Chinese embassy in London to offer his condolences
for the dead from this month's earthquake in Sichuan.
Asked what he thought Gordon Brown should tell the Chinese president,
Hu Jintao, when he attends the Olympic closing ceremony in August, the
Dalai Lama said: "If within two months it gets more positive then the
prime minister must give encouragement and appreciation. If things get
worse, the prime minister will have to speak out."
rst0wxyz
> (in article
>
> > Where was the moral fibre of the United States? How did the United States
> > become a superpower?
>
> The answer to the first question is related to the second.
>
> Were you put on this earth in (say) 1890 and looked at the New World, you
> would have guessed that Argentina or Brazil would be a world power soon.
> (Unless you were foolish) you would not have held out much hope for America.
>
> But Argentina and Brazil took the low road, with various dictators and
> military rulers, while the USA slowly, painfully and by dint of hard work
> improved its governing system, making it more and more democratic.
More democratic to the white, slavery and poverty for the non-whites.
>
> Then came the Great War in Europe. Wisely America did its best to stay out of
> it, but Germany insisting on forcing America into the war. Shortly
> afterwards, America entered the war and Germany was defeated.
>
> The US then slipped back into isolationism, and the world slipped into the
> Great Depression (caused mostly by protectionism that destroyed world trade
> and deflationary policies that ruined businesses by the hundreds -- and their
> banks).
>
> Wars started in Europe (Nazi aggression) and Asia (Japanese fascist
> aggression), but the US tried to stay out of it.
>
> And the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The US was angered. It f"orgot" that it
> could not just print money. The federal government found a war-related job
> for every fit adult. This policy was supported by the voters and the
> isolationists were not re-elected.
>
> And America (with British and Russian help) defeated the Nazis. And America
> (with Chinese help) defeated the Japanese.
>
> And bingo the USA was a world power.
No, it was NOT "bingo, the USA was a world power".
It was Indian massacre after another Indian massacre and after
another...
"The only good Injun is a dead Injun" mentality.
Our government issued proclamation, the Monroe Doctrine, for all other
nations to stay away from the Americas as the Americas are ours.
We went on with our "Manifest Destiny" to conquer all we can to
stretch our nation from "sea to shiny sea" and beyond the oceans to
include islands Spain had conquered.
"The power grows out of the barrel of the gun" as all other nations
before us did starting with Portugal, Spain, Holland, England, France,
Russia, and Eventually Germany. Only Germany was too late. Africa
and Asia had already been conquered. The only way Germany can do was
to take it from the others, thus the world wars,...
Moral fibre or morality is never a requirement for being a
superpower. In fact, it is the lack of moral fibre or morality that
is the requirement for being a superpower.
"The more we kill today, the less we have to kill tomorrow"
mentality. We are still doing it today, in Iraq, in Afghanistan,...
Our little brother, Israel is doing it in Palestine, Gaza Strip, in
Lebannon...
We have completely abandonned morality in our way of life in
Quantanamo Bay, In Iraq, in Afghanistan. We kill, we torture, we
humiliate, we rape,...
We have done the unspeakable. And you still say morality is a
requirement to be a superpower?
Jim Walsh
(in article
<351fc2ce-9a0c-494e...@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
> On May 22, 9:10 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>> The CCP claims high moral fiber.
>
> Yeah, the same as the United States....
Agree that George Bush has no right to claim the moral high ground.
Glad you agree that the CCP is as bad.
Jim Walsh
(in article <3k9g341uvnsughsio...@4ax.com>):
>
> The Dalai Lama claimed over-settlement and over-exploitation of Tibet was
> threatening the quality and flow of rivers flowing out of the Tibetan
> highlands, including the Yangtze, the Yellow River, the Indus, the Mekong and
> the Ganges.
>
> "Due to carelessness these waters have been polluted and also reduced, and I
> think billions of people's lives depend on these rivers," the Dalai Lama
> said. "[There has been] mining without proper care, deforestation ...
> irrigation without proper planning. In some valleys, new diseases have
> developed which some specialists believe is the result of water pollution."
Well that is certainly true.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<691996fc-5c31-4d33...@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
> On May 23, 12:43 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:29:53 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
>> (in article
>> <566bf0f6-2613-48a6-85cf-38f917c1c...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
>>> The "people" can be twisted and bought.
>>
>> Are the people WEAKER for having the ballot?
>
> Yes, definitely. People in general are greedy. Greedy people can be
> bought easily with money.
Let's see. Having the vote allows the poor to get money from the rich. How
exactly does that WEAKEN them? Seems like the having the ballot got them some
money. (This is even under YOUR assumptions, which are false.)
> As a matter of fact, the United States is
> thinking about a lottery of a million dollars as an incentive for
> people to come to vote. That is how low election has become in the
> United States.
Not logically related to the issue. You were trying and failing to explain a
process by which having the right to vote makes someone weaker.
>> Of course the rich and powerful
>> everywhere have a disproportionate influence on the governments.
>
> Agree.
>
>>
>> But does giving the people the right to vote WEAKEN or STRENGTHEN them?
>
> The right to vote does not weaken or strengthen the people.
Of course it strengthens them.
> In most
> elections, less than half of the voters voted. And on district
> elections, very very few people voted, which should attract the most
> attention since the decisions affect them the most.
Turn out is a separate issue.
>> The answer to this question is so obvious (it strengthens them) and that
>
> It certainly does not strengthen anyone nor does it weaken anyone.
So far you have repeated that a bunch of times, but you have yet to give
supporting reasoning or facts.
> Election is a process of futility. It's the same as flipping a coin,
> head or tail, it's a meaningless process.
Silly and not relevant.
> Stock pickers have done
> better by throwing a dart at a newspaper listing of common stocks.
Not relevant.
> The election of George Worthless Bush is a prime example of election.
> We elected a dud not once, but twice as president of the United
> States.
Not evidence on the issue of whether having the ballot WEAKENS the poor.
> The city district of San Francisco elected Ed Jew as supervisor.
> Within 5 months, he was under FBI investigation for bribing immigrant
> businessmen for $84,000 which the FBI itself put up $40,000 of marked
> bills. He was charged with lying about living in San Francisco while
> actually living in Burlingame using his father's emptied house as his
> address. Four years earlier, he ran against Fiona Ma and Fiona Ma
> already said that he really lives in Burlingame. Fiona Ma was elected
> to the State Assembly, and Ed Jew tried again and won. He resigned
> under pressure and now has court dates from the FBI for bribery and
> mail fraud, city attorney for lying under oath. This is the process
> of election, electing crooks and thieves and morons to be fat cats.
Not evidence on the issue.
>> answer is so contrary to your beloved tyrants, you avoid answering it.
>
> What you called "beloved tyrants", others called conpetent leadership
> that has done wonderful for a country that was once the coolies of the
> world.
For most of China's history it was the richest, most advanced nation in the
world. For roughly half of the time the leadership of the CCP has been a
disaster for the Chinese. 1949 ~ 1976+ vs. 1976 ~ 2008
>> Show some courage. Give an honest answer.
>
> You are nothing but a aggitator trying to incite chaos and dissension
> for China. Why don't you have some courage and admit the Chinese
> leadership has done much much better than the United States and they
> are rising above the countrymen's expectation to be a great nation.
>
> You, Jim Walsh, can not give an honest answer. You are nothing but an
> agent for trouble.
You seem to have tried and failed to answer the question. Probably it is an
honesty issue.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<97572c44-a5d2-4985...@i18g2000prn.googlegroups.com>):
> On May 23, 12:43 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:06:57 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
>> (in article
>> <74dbf9ed-d6d8-43c2-a557-13738bbf8...@f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>> Where was the moral fibre of the United States? How did the United States
>>> become a superpower?
>>
>> The answer to the first question is related to the second.
>>
>> Were you put on this earth in (say) 1890 and looked at the New World, you
>> would have guessed that Argentina or Brazil would be a world power soon.
>> (Unless you were foolish) you would not have held out much hope for America.
>>
>> But Argentina and Brazil took the low road, with various dictators and
>> military rulers, while the USA slowly, painfully and by dint of hard work
>> improved its governing system, making it more and more democratic.
>
> More democratic to the white, slavery and poverty for the non-whites.
"....improved its governing system...." [by ending slavery, by
legalizing labor unions.]
>
>> Then came the Great War in Europe. Wisely America did its best to stay out
>> of
>> it, but Germany insisting on forcing America into the war. Shortly
>> afterwards, America entered the war and Germany was defeated.
>>
>> The US then slipped back into isolationism, and the world slipped into the
>> Great Depression (caused mostly by protectionism that destroyed world trade
>> and deflationary policies that ruined businesses by the hundreds -- and
>> their
>> banks).
>>
>> Wars started in Europe (Nazi aggression) and Asia (Japanese fascist
>> aggression), but the US tried to stay out of it.
>>
>> And the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The US was angered. It f"orgot" that
>> it
>> could not just print money. The federal government found a war-related job
>> for every fit adult. This policy was supported by the voters and the
>> isolationists were not re-elected.
>>
>> And America (with British and Russian help) defeated the Nazis. And America
>> (with Chinese help) defeated the Japanese.
>>
>> And bingo the USA was a world power.
>
> No, it was NOT "bingo, the USA was a world power".
>
> It was Indian massacre after another Indian massacre and after
> another...
> "The only good Injun is a dead Injun" mentality.
After the last Indian War (1880s, roughly) the USA was still a second-rate
power in the world.
> Our government issued proclamation, the Monroe Doctrine, for all other
> nations to stay away from the Americas as the Americas are ours.
Which did not make the US a super power. It was still a second (or third
tier) nation at that point.
> We went on with our "Manifest Destiny" to conquer all we can to
> stretch our nation from "sea to shiny sea" and beyond the oceans to
> include islands Spain had conquered.
Not a world power. At that point, four or five European nations were world
powers, but the US was not.
> "The power grows out of the barrel of the gun" as all other nations
> before us did starting with Portugal, Spain, Holland, England, France,
> Russia, and Eventually Germany. Only Germany was too late. Africa
> and Asia had already been conquered. The only way Germany can do was
> to take it from the others, thus the world wars,...
Quoting Mao. All those countries were world powers but not the US.
> Moral fibre or morality is never a requirement for being a
> superpower. In fact, it is the lack of moral fibre or morality that
> is the requirement for being a superpower.
Whatever. You have lost the thread,
> "The more we kill today, the less we have to kill tomorrow"
> mentality. We are still doing it today, in Iraq, in Afghanistan,...
> Our little brother, Israel is doing it in Palestine, Gaza Strip, in
> Lebannon...
>
> We have completely abandonned morality in our way of life in
> Quantanamo Bay, In Iraq, in Afghanistan. We kill, we torture, we
> humiliate, we rape,... We have done the unspeakable. And you still say
morality is a
> requirement to be a superpower?
Of course it SHOULD be (which is the DL's point) and you seem to agree.
rst0wxyz
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 01:52:33 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
You, Jim Walsh has no issues, and certainly no answers. All you have
are CIA inspired propaganda to aggitate and create chaos and
dissension for China. Election will not work in China. The Politburo
is doing a fine job. Now leave them alone.
rst0wxyz
> (in article
>
> > On May 22, 9:10 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >> The CCP claims high moral fiber.
>
> > Yeah, the same as the United States....
>
> Agree that George Bush has no right to claim the moral high ground.
>
> Glad you agree that the CCP is as bad.
I said no such thing.
rst0wxyz
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 23:36:40 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
I look at the Dalai Lama as a beggar in the world stage and a CIA
stooge. I don't agree with anything he said.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<623647ce-fa2c-44af...@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>):
Oh, so you think that the CCP is good?
Jim Walsh
(in article
<0634ede1-fb61-407f...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):
As far as I can tell, you don't understand what he said.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<a0762230-6a62-4a70...@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
> Election will not work in China. ...
Why would elections not work in China. They work in Taiwan. They work (to the
extent that they are allowed) in Hong Kong and in the rural villages. Chinese
living in democratic countries have no trouble making elections work for
them.
What do you believe makes the Chinese in China different from the rest of the
world?
abia...@my-deja.com
and clean governments in the world. Taiwan has elections but your
beloved but most corrupt and incompetent Chen Shui-bian got elected
twice. Election? Only simpleton like you think it's magic, haha! No
wonder you can only teach Taiwanese kids English, haha!
Oh, another simpleton George W Bush also got elected twice, haha!
And that's why American companies can not afford to have general
election for CEO position, haha!
On May 26, 4:23 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 06:04:18 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
> <a0762230-6a62-4a70-8837-b224be0d3...@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Election will not work in China. ...
>
> Why would elections not work in China. They work in Taiwan. They work (to the
> extent that they are allowed) in Hong Kong and in the rural villages. Chinese
> living in democratic countries have no trouble making elections work for
> them.
>
> What do you believe makes the Chinese in China different from the rest of the
> world?
>
> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
>
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<45c4ae1f-9d3b-40ba...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>):
> Singapore does not have true election but it is one of most efficient
> and clean governments in the world.
Agree. Sadly that is the result of the personal integrity of one man. When he
is gone, there will be nothing to prevent the corruption and inefficiency of
one-party states.
>Taiwan has elections but your
> beloved but most corrupt and incompetent Chen Shui-bian got elected
> twice.
Literally thousands of government officials have been selected by elections
in Taiwan.
As regards corruption, the pre-democracy KMT was extremely corrupt. Nothing
remotely like that has existed since those elections began.
> Election? Only simpleton like you think it's magic, haha! No
> wonder you can only teach Taiwanese kids English, haha!
>
> Oh, another simpleton George W Bush also got elected twice, haha!
>
> And that's why American companies can not afford to have general
> election for CEO position,
If the Yahoo board does not figure out how to sell Yahoo to Microsoft, the
shareholders will get a chance to replace them.
That is corporate democracy.
--
Love, Jim
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crossposts.)
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rst0wxyz
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 06:04:18 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
> > Election will not work in China. ...
>
> Why would elections not work in China. They work in Taiwan. They work (to the
> extent that they are allowed) in Hong Kong and in the rural villages. Chinese
> living in democratic countries have no trouble making elections work for
> them.
>
> What do you believe makes the Chinese in China different from the rest of the
> world?
The Politburo of China is doing a fine job of governing China. Let
them do their job, and don't aggitate and incite chaos and dissension
for China. Your only interest is to disrupt China. China does not
need election to disrupt their progress.
rst0wxyz
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 06:05:36 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 1:30 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:31:21 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> >> (in article
> >> <351fc2ce-9a0c-494e-bfc5-edef055f9...@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> >>> On May 22, 9:10 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >>>> The CCP claims high moral fiber.
>
> >>> Yeah, the same as the United States....
>
> >> Agree that George Bush has no right to claim the moral high ground.
>
> >> Glad you agree that the CCP is as bad.
>
> > I said no such thing.
>
> Oh, so you think that the CCP is good?
I said the Politburo leadership is doing a fine job of governing
China. The CCP has about 70 million membership. Any large
organization may have many rotten eggs. I have never said the CCP is
good or bad.
rst0wxyz
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 06:09:56 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
I understand him only too well, Jim Walsh, only too well.
ltlee1
wrote:
> Singapore does not have true election but it is one of most efficient
> and clean governments in the world. Taiwan has elections but your
> beloved but most corrupt and incompetent Chen Shui-bian got elected
> twice. Election? Only simpleton like you think it's magic, haha! No
> wonder you can only teach Taiwanese kids English, haha!
>
> Oh, another simpleton George W Bush also got elected twice, haha!
Japan has elections. But the elections were mostly for show. Japan's
LDP had ruled Japan continuously since 1955 except a 10 months hiatus
during which the Liberal Japan Renewal Party had control of the
government.
>
> And that's why American companies can not afford to have general
> election for CEO position, haha!
>
> On May 26, 4:23 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 26 May 2008 06:04:18 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> > (in article
> > <a0762230-6a62-4a70-8837-b224be0d3...@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > > Election will not work in China. ...
>
> > Why would elections not work in China. They work in Taiwan. They work (to the
> > extent that they are allowed) in Hong Kong and in the rural villages. Chinese
> > living in democratic countries have no trouble making elections work for
> > them.
>
> > What do you believe makes the Chinese in China different from the rest of the
> > world?
>
> > --
> > Love, Jim
> > (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> > crossposts.)
>
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then we can talk about "democracy", ok! haha!
DPP has been so corrupt in last 8 years, of course, we dont expect DPP
mouthpiece, Jim Walsh to criticize them!!! haha!
On May 26, 11:30 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 20:15:48 +0800, abianc...@my-deja.com wrote
> (in article
> <45c4ae1f-9d3b-40ba-ae3f-c4d36eb9f...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Singapore does not have true election but it is one of most efficient
> > and clean governments in the world.
>
> Agree. Sadly that is the result of the personal integrity of one man. When he
> is gone, there will be nothing to prevent the corruption and inefficiency of
> one-party states.
>
> >Taiwan has elections but your
> > beloved but most corrupt and incompetent Chen Shui-bian got elected
> > twice.
>
> Literally thousands of government officials have been selected by elections
> in Taiwan.
>
> As regards corruption, the pre-democracy KMT was extremely corrupt. Nothing
> remotely like that has existed since those elections began.
>
> > Election? Only simpleton like you think it's magic, haha! No
> > wonder you can only teach Taiwanese kids English, haha!
>
> > Oh, another simpleton George W Bush also got elected twice, haha!
>
> > And that's why American companies can not afford to have general
> > election for CEO position,
>
> If the Yahoo board does not figure out how to sell Yahoo to Microsoft, the
> shareholders will get a chance to replace them.
>
> That is corporate democracy.
>
> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
>
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J.Venning
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>When American companies start to adopt general election for their CEO,
>then we can talk about "democracy", ok! haha!
>DPP has been so corrupt in last 8 years, of course, we dont expect DPP
>mouthpiece, Jim Walsh to criticize them!!! haha!
>
elections and freedom of speech, but in fact he is nothing but an old queer
trolling this newsgroup irritating the Chinese people by telling them what
to do with their lives and how to run their country, for lack of anything
better to do with his miserable life. He doesn't give a damn about his own
country.
J.
abia...@my-deja.com
fool. Jim Walsh can not speak Chinese in Taiwan, SCC is the place he
can have "conversation". haha!
There are four Chinese societies, Taiwan, HK, Singapore, mainland
China. Three do not have [full] democracy and two of three (HK,
Singapore) are one of most efficient and cleran governments in the
world, and Taiwan has democracy but Taiwan government under Chen Shui-
bian has been so corrupt last 8 years, that does tell us something,
haha! Of course, Jim Walsh could not explain it either except
repeating his idiology here.
India and Philippines are two oldest "democracy" in Asia, see, how
backward they still are. haha!
On May 27, 1:15 am, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> <abianc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
Jim Walsh
(in article
<73948de4-2971-4348...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
> Japan has elections. But the elections were mostly for show. Japan's LDP had
> ruled Japan continuously since 1955 except a 10 months hiatus during which
> the Liberal Japan Renewal Party had control of the government.
I agree that Japan's democracy leaves a lot to be desired. Fortunately, there
are lots of local elections, from which benefits can flow.
--
Love, Jim
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<6a72938f-4187-4939...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>):
Why don't you even try to answer the question?
Jim Walsh
(in article
<e653bffc-9a98-4ca7...@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>):
> I have never said the CCP is good or bad.
So, why not replace it with a good party?
J.Venning
news:678b49bd-710c-4fc4...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>I am not sure if Jim Walsh is old faggot but I am sure he is an old
>fool. Jim Walsh can not speak Chinese in Taiwan, SCC is the place he
>can have "conversation". haha!
>There are four Chinese societies, Taiwan, HK, Singapore, mainland
>China. Three do not have [full] democracy and two of three (HK,
>Singapore) are one of most efficient and cleran governments in the
>world, and Taiwan has democracy but Taiwan government under Chen Shui-
>bian has been so corrupt last 8 years, that does tell us something,
>haha! Of course, Jim Walsh could not explain it either except
>repeating his idiology here.
>India and Philippines are two oldest "democracy" in Asia, see, how
>backward they still are. haha!
>
never denied it. He did leave his wife and children to come and live with a
man in Taipei.
J.
abia...@my-deja.com
lot of elections, ask people where they want to live? HK, Singapore or
India, Philippines? Haha!
On May 27, 1:51 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 07:00:27 +0800, ltlee1 wrote
> (in article
> <73948de4-2971-4348-9dc3-19826cd4e...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Japan has elections. But the elections were mostly for show. Japan's LDP had
> > ruled Japan continuously since 1955 except a 10 months hiatus during which
> > the Liberal Japan Renewal Party had control of the government.
>
> I agree that Japan's democracy leaves a lot to be desired. Fortunately, there
> are lots of local elections, from which benefits can flow.
>
> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
>
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<678b49bd-710c-4fc4...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> India and Philippines are two oldest "democracy" in Asia, see, how backward
> they still are. haha!
India is a terrible story to be true. I put the primary blame on the caste
system and the Hindu religion.
The Philippines is not an old democracy at all. It was a colony and then a
dictatorship until 1986.
The ROC democracy is roughly as old as the one in the Philippines.
--
Love, Jim
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<fa41e4f3-3154-4b6f...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> When American companies start to adopt general election for their CEO, then
> we can talk about "democracy", ok! haha!
The American President is not elected in a general election (the electoral
college members do the voting, but the US is considered a democracy.
The British Prime Minister is not elected in a general election (only members
of Parliament are eligible to vote), but Britain is considered a democracy.
CEOs are elected by a Board of Directors, who in turn are elected in a
"general election". Democratic. By law.
--
Love, Jim
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<678b49bd-710c-4fc4...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
> Taiwan has democracy but Taiwan government under Chen Shui- bian has been so
> corrupt last 8 years, that does tell us something,
The corruption in Taiwan prior to elections was qualitatively worse than
after the elections began.
My own experience involved applying for a buxiban license several years
before the first free and fair Presidential election (1996). We paid a huge
bribe for the license (and that was routine, business as usual).
Some years later (5?, I can't remember), after the entire ROC government was
freely and fairly elected, we did not need to pay any bribe.
Today, in the ROC, it is no longer routine to pay bribes to get business
licenses.
And I wonder if a corruption investigation that resulted in the former
President and his wife being indicted is really evidence of an INCREASE in
corruption. Maybe it is evidence that the judicial system is aggressively
investigating corruption.
--
Love, Jim
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<b63f2383-a02f-4fc5...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> HK, Singapore do not have full democracy but India, Philippines have a lot of
> elections, ask people where they want to live? HK, Singapore or India,
> Philippines? Haha!
Well HK and Singapore are cities, not countries.
It is difficult to find two areas where everything is the same, except
democracy, but without that, comparisons are meaningless.
The citizens of both HK and Singapore have more ECONOMIC freedoms than the
citizens of Indonesia, the Philippines and India.
The courts in HK and Singapore are (in non-political cases) free-er from
political intereference than the courts in Indonesia and the Philippines (I
don't know enough to add India to that list).
This feature (independent courts) in found in HK and Singapore because of
historical reasons. If Singapore and HK do not evolve to full democracy, this
feature is unlikely to last.
I hope this helps you understand why your comparison produced an anomaly.
--
Love, Jim
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abia...@my-deja.com
without democracy using example of HK and Sinagpore (no full
democracy) vs Philippines and India (full democracy)!!! Hahaha!
Of course, most people including Jim Walsh would rather live in a non-
democracy but advanced places like HK and Singapore than in a
democracy but backward places like Philippines and India, that means,
better living standard is more important than democracy!!! And that's
why Jim Walsh had no problem relocating to Taiwan in 1987 to be an
English teacher even when Taiwan was still under CCK's dictatorship,
hahaha! And that's why most mainland Chinese are fine with their CCP
government as long as the ecomomy is improving!!!
So... It's the economy, stupid!!! Bill Clinton is so smart and Jim
Walsh is so stupid!!! Haha!
A side note: Singapore is a nation and I was talking about India but
Jim Walsh could not read it right and talking about Indonesia!
On May 27, 8:59 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:06:28 +0800, abianc...@my-deja.com wrote
> (in article
> <b63f2383-a02f-4fc5-b7a5-b6e4ef4d2...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>
> > HK, Singapore do not have full democracy but India, Philippines have a lot of
> > elections, ask people where they want to live? HK, Singapore or India,
> > Philippines? Haha!
>
> Well HK and Singapore are cities, not countries.
>
> It is difficult to find two areas where everything is the same, except
> democracy, but without that, comparisons are meaningless.
>
> The citizens of both HK and Singapore have more ECONOMIC freedoms than the
> citizens of Indonesia, the Philippines and India.
>
> The courts in HK and Singapore are (in non-political cases) free-er from
> political intereference than the courts in Indonesia and the Philippines (I
> don't know enough to add India to that list).
>
> This feature (independent courts) in found in HK and Singapore because of
> historical reasons. If Singapore and HK do not evolve to full democracy, this
> feature is unlikely to last.
>
> I hope this helps you understand why your comparison produced an anomaly.
>
> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
>
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abia...@my-deja.com
worse than KMT in terms of corruption and that's why DPP lost last two
major elections so badly. Only DPP mouthpiece, Jim Walsh thinks
differently. Gee, maybe CCP should pay Jim Walsh to be their
mouthpiece, hahaha!
On May 27, 8:49 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 13:30:07 +0800, abianc...@my-deja.com wrote
> (in article
> <678b49bd-710c-4fc4-be1c-1bf39e9ce...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Taiwan has democracy but Taiwan government under Chen Shui- bian has been so
> > corrupt last 8 years, that does tell us something,
>
> The corruption in Taiwan prior to elections was qualitatively worse than
> after the elections began.
>
> My own experience involved applying for a buxiban license several years
> before the first free and fair Presidential election (1996). We paid a huge
> bribe for the license (and that was routine, business as usual).
>
> Some years later (5?, I can't remember), after the entire ROC government was
> freely and fairly elected, we did not need to pay any bribe.
>
> Today, in the ROC, it is no longer routine to pay bribes to get business
> licenses.
>
> And I wonder if a corruption investigation that resulted in the former
> President and his wife being indicted is really evidence of an INCREASE in
> corruption. Maybe it is evidence that the judicial system is aggressively
> investigating corruption.
>
> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
>
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OD
> Thank Jim Walsh for confirming that things can still be better even
> without democracy using example of HK and Sinagpore (no full
> democracy) vs Philippines and India (full democracy)!!! Hahaha!
Personally I would live in India before living in the Philippines, or HK, or
Singapore.
> Of course, most people including Jim Walsh would rather live in a non-
> democracy but advanced places like HK and Singapore than in a
> democracy but backward places like Philippines and India, that means,
> better living standard is more important than democracy!!! And that's
> why Jim Walsh had no problem relocating to Taiwan in 1987 to be an
> English teacher even when Taiwan was still under CCK's dictatorship,
> hahaha! And that's why most mainland Chinese are fine with their CCP
> government as long as the ecomomy is improving!!!
>
> So... It's the economy, stupid!!! Bill Clinton is so smart and Jim
> Walsh is so stupid!!! Haha!
Wait a minute. It's your assertion that Jim moved to Taiwan from the US
because Taiwan has a higher standard of living? I can see why your
laughing. Your insane.
rst0wxyz
On Tue, 27 May 2008 00:02:25 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote> (in article>
> > I have never said the CCP is good or bad.> > So, why not replace
Why shouldn't we do away with political parties altogether?Everyone
should stand on their own merit.
abia...@my-deja.com
Directors are appointed not elected !!! And many CEOs were handpicked
by current CEO, e.g., current CEO of General Electric was handpicked
by former CEO Jack Welch. And that's how CCP government works now. If
elections are so great, why George W Bush got elected twice, developed
nations like USA can afford such mistake but develoing nations like
PRC can't!!!
On May 27, 8:49 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 13:04:02 +0800, abianc...@my-deja.com wrote
> (in article
> <fa41e4f3-3154-4b6f-8486-33c4ffae5...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>
> > When American companies start to adopt general election for their CEO, then
> > we can talk about "democracy", ok! haha!
>
> The American President is not elected in a general election (the electoral
> college members do the voting, but the US is considered a democracy.
>
> The British Prime Minister is not elected in a general election (only members
> of Parliament are eligible to vote), but Britain is considered a democracy.
>
> CEOs are elected by a Board of Directors, who in turn are elected in a
> "general election". Democratic. By law.
> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
>
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OD
> All the polls have shown that nowadays Taiwan people think DPP is
> worse than KMT in terms of corruption and that's why DPP lost last two
> major elections so badly. Only DPP mouthpiece, Jim Walsh thinks
> differently. Gee, maybe CCP should pay Jim Walsh to be their
> mouthpiece, hahaha!
Now the KMT is back in power it won't take long for the people to remember
just how corrupt the KMT was.
Come on, this is the party of CKS! A person so corrupt and inept the people
of China rather had Mao. That's pretty bad.
rst0wxyz
On Mon, 26 May 2008 23:58:52 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote> (in article>
> > > > > > > > On May 26, 1:23 am, Jim Walsh
<jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:> >> On Mon, 26 May 2008 06:04:18
+0800, rst0wxyz wrote> >> (in article> >> <a0762230-6a62-4a70-8837-
b224be0d3...@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):> > >>> Election will not
work in China. ...> > >> Why would elections not work in China. They
work in Taiwan. They work (to> >> the extent that they are allowed) in
Hong Kong and in the rural villages.> >> Chinese living in democratic
countries have no trouble making elections work> for> >> them.> > >>
What do you believe makes the Chinese in China different from the rest
of> >> the world?> > > The Politburo of China is doing a fine job of
governing China. Let> > them do their job, and don't aggitate and
incite chaos and dissension> > for China. Your only interest is to
disrupt China. China does not> > need election to disrupt their
question is this, Jim Walsh?Election is NOT the answer for all.China's
politburo is doing a great job. Leave them alone and let them do
their job.
OD
Good idea.
abia...@my-deja.com
needs a good dictator to get rid of caste system, hahaha! That;'s why
dictator Bismarck built strong Germany and dictaor Meiji Emperor built
modern Japan in a short time and dictator CCK built modern Taiwan now
it's CCP dictators is building modern China. Counties like Inida, PRC
need good dictators for now until it has become developed nation then
they can talk about demoracy!!! haha!
On May 27, 8:49 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 13:30:07 +0800, abianc...@my-deja.com wrote
> (in article
> <678b49bd-710c-4fc4-be1c-1bf39e9ce...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>
> > India and Philippines are two oldest "democracy" in Asia, see, how backward
> > they still are. haha!
>
> India is a terrible story to be true. I put the primary blame on the caste
> system and the Hindu religion.
>
> The Philippines is not an old democracy at all. It was a colony and then a
> dictatorship until 1986.
>
> The ROC democracy is roughly as old as the one in the Philippines.
>
> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
>
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abia...@my-deja.com
then found he can survive better in Taiwan as an English teacher.
Understand?
On May 27, 10:54 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
OD
> Stupid! Jim Walsh was poor when he was in the states as he told us and
> then found he can survive better in Taiwan as an English teacher.
> Understand?
He could have worked tons of jobs in the US that would have given him a
higher standard of living than living in a cramped Taipei apartment.
Stupid!
abia...@my-deja.com
get "tons of jobs" in the states as you idiot claim here,, huh,
idiot???
On May 27, 11:13 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
want to tell us USA is the nation of slavry system too, idiot?
On May 27, 10:58 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
OD
> Stupid! As Jim Walsh said he was poor in the states so how could he
> get "tons of jobs" in the states as you idiot claim here,, huh,
> idiot???
Uhhh... apply for them!!! Haha! You think an English teacher in Taiwan has
a higher standard of living than working in the States. Where do you work?
Going to move to Taiwan for the higher standard of living! Haha!
OD
> CKS has been dead over 30 years in case you did not know... or you
> want to tell us USA is the nation of slavry system too, idiot?
Do you think KMT corruption died with CKS? Idiot.
abia...@my-deja.com
states!!!
On May 27, 11:23 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
OD
> Ask Jim! Ask him if he is poorer in Taiwan than he was in the
> states!!!
You still think an English teacher in Taiwan has a higher standard of living
that working in the States! Haha! Idiot.
abia...@my-deja.com
Taiwan people if KMT is better than DPP!!!
On May 27, 11:25 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
On May 27, 11:29 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> abianc...@my-deja.com wrote:
OD
> Of course, today's KMT is better than CKS' KMT,
Of course it is now that Taiwan is a democracy! Haha!.
> you idiot should ask
> Taiwan people if KMT is better than DPP!!!
Let's ask them in a couple years now that KMT is back in power. How did the
KMT become so rich? When will the KMT give back its stolen assets?
abia...@my-deja.com
On May 27, 11:39 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
OD
> Like I said, ask Jim if he is doing better in Taiwan, stupid!
Maybe he is dong better. That doesn't mean he has a higher standard of
living. You still think an English teacher in a cramped Taipei apartment
has a higher standard of living than being in the States! When are you
moving to Taiwan for the higher standard of living?! Haha!
abia...@my-deja.com
people in Taiwan??? Ask Jim, idiot! Or ask New Yorkers who live in
more cramped apartment if they are still lucky, stupid, haha!
On May 27, 11:44 am, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
OD
> Stolen assets? list them!!!
OMG!! You can't be that stupid about the KMT. Why don't you go to the
website talked about in this article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6593155.stm
Opps. The KMT is back in power and changing government websites to fit
their agenda.
OD
> Are you saying everyone in the states has better living standard than
> people in Taiwan??? Ask Jim, idiot! Or ask New Yorkers who live in
> more cramped apartment if they are still lucky, stupid, haha!
Anyone capable of teaching English in Taiwan is capable of having a higher
standard of living in the US. You're stupid if you think otherwise! Haha!
And my cousin lives in a cramped NY apartment. He loves it!!
abia...@my-deja.com
former DPP government and Chen Shui-bian were and everyone in Taiwan
can tell you without a website from KMT, idiot! haha!
On May 27, 12:00 pm, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
stupid!!!
On May 27, 12:05 pm, "OD" <Ya...@yahoo.com> wrote: