A Chinese association based in Washington wants the Olympic Games cancelled, in the wake of Monday's earthquake in China's Sichuan province.
hsy...@gmail.com
Call to cancel Olympics over quake
A Chinese association based in Washington wants the Olympic Games
cancelled, in the wake of Monday's earthquake in China's Sichuan
province.
The death toll now stands at almost 15,000 people, affecting seven
Chinese provinces. But many believe the toll is as high as 40,000
missing or dead.
President of the Overseas Chinese Democracy Coalition, Wei Jingsheng,
wants the international community to support his call for cancellation
of the Games, or, at the very least, the opening ceremony.
He says the world should not be celebrating, while thousands of people
are dead, dying or homeless.
"People have died for more than 10,000 now and then there are millions
of people living on the street without proper shelter," he said.
"So to have such a scale of celebration it's not only a disgrace to
the people who have died but as well, disrespect for the living ones."
But he says the Government seems more intent on saving face.
"Because they want to make themselves look good, but also for the
security to keep their government going," he said.
"However on the other side there is the issue of Chinese Government
already spent ... tens of billions of American dollars."
rst0wxyz
> www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/15/2245908.htm
>
> Call to cancel Olympics over quake
>
> A Chinese association based in Washington wants the Olympic Games
> cancelled, in the wake of Monday's earthquake in China's Sichuan
> province.
>
> The death toll now stands at almost 15,000 people, affecting seven
> Chinese provinces. But many believe the toll is as high as 40,000
> missing or dead.
>
> President of the Overseas Chinese Democracy Coalition, Wei Jingsheng,
Who is he? A KMT agent?
The Eathquake only highlighted China's concern for its people, and
they are ready to help all they can and will rebuild completely new.
What's 50,000 dead when they have 1.3 billion? It's barely a drop in
the bucket.
aozo...@aol.com
Good! Call the rescue effort your Olympics and trash the joke one!
Drooler
Jingsheng, is a VERY ASTUTE GUY!
FIRST, THE EARTHQUAKE, PLUS BEIJING'S POLLUTED, GENOCIDE IN TIBET,
MILLIONS OF LEAD-LADEN TOYS STILL TO BE SHIPPED TO U.S. ... whew!
LET'S ROLL UP THE OLYMPICS!
The Chinee can try again in 2024!
PaPaPeng
<rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Who is he? A KMT agent?
Why am I not surprised no one recognized Mr. Wei. He was the
electrician who posted a rather amateurish essay on democracy, etc. on
the "Democracy Wall" next to the Forbidden City in the late 70s and
was jailed for more than 10 years for his efforts. When asked about
the harshness of Mr. Wei's sentence DXP replied that what Mr. Wei
wrote was trivial. An example had to be made to impress on the mob
that socially disruptive postings on the "Democracy Wall" was no
longer to be tolerated. Mr. Wei was given an extraordinary long
sentence to make that point.
For many years Western human rights groups, democracy groups, US
politicians used Mr. Wei's incarceration to interfere into China's
affairs. Eventually Wei was released a year or so ahead of time and
the US pressure groups immediately expedited his entry into the US.
Wei was made the posterboy for made up (aka non existent) underground
Chinese dissident movements to topple the CPC leadership, or at least
to pressure China into US style elections, representation, democracy
and so on. You will recognize that our Jim walsh is still riding this
dead horse. Wei was given funding and all manner of honors
WIKI: [In 1996, Wei Jingsheng was awarded the Sakharov Prize for
Freedom of Thought. He is a winner of numerous other human rights and
democracy awards, including the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award
in 1996, the National Endowment for Democracy Award in 1997, the Olof
Palme Memorial Prize in 1994, and the International Activist Award by
the Gleitsman Foundation, etc. In 2008, he was chosen as one of the 15
Champions of World Democracy by the Europe-based magazine A Different
View.[4] He has been praised in numerous places with titles such as
"Father of Chinese Democracy" and "Nelson Mandela of China". Thousands
of entries about him can be found on the Internet in various
languages.
Besides the well publicized essay he wrote in 1978, the Fifth
Modernization, he is the author of "Courage to Stand Alone -- letters
from Prison and Other Writings", which compiles his articles written
initially on toilet paper in jail. He has weekly commentary on Radio
Free Asia, and many other news media. ]
which of course debased the institutions that awarded them rather than
enhance Wei's standing in any assembly.
The US and Western special interest groups had tried their best to
co-opt China's malcontents and build them up as crusading knights to
bring democracy and freedom to China. They all failed miserably, thus
none of you recalled who Wei or any of the past "champions" of
dissidence were, because that is not what ordinary Chinese citizens
are looking for in their vision of their future.
Enough said. Only Americans fall for their own frauds.
CharlesLiu
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:50:54 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz
>
> >Who is he? A KMT agent?
>
> Why am I not surprised no one recognized Mr. Wei.
Here's Wei's honorable mention as one of overseas Chinese dissident
groups who went over to Taiwan after funding from US government was
cut:
http://www.wpoforum.com/viewtopic.php?fid=1&tid=6326
"The Tragicomedy of the Overseas Chinese Democratic Movement"
vivo...@gmail.com
that will not be a good idea, the earth quake is a great disaster,
it's somewhat unavoidable, the olympic can also be a memorial to the
dead people.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<d43fb3cc-22f1-4582...@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):
> What's 50,000 dead when they have 1.3 billion? It's barely a drop in the
> bucket.
Spoken like a true (what? fascist? I can't find a word that fits).
--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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Jim Walsh
(in article <egvp24h8juntsoi95...@4ax.com>):
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:50:54 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz
> <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Who is he? A KMT agent?
>
> Why am I not surprised no one recognized Mr. Wei. He was the
> electrician who posted a rather amateurish essay on democracy, etc. on
> the "Democracy Wall" next to the Forbidden City in the late 70s and
> was jailed for more than 10 years for his efforts. When asked about
> the harshness of Mr. Wei's sentence DXP replied that what Mr. Wei
> wrote was trivial. An example had to be made to impress on the mob
> that socially disruptive postings on the "Democracy Wall" was no
> longer to be tolerated. Mr. Wei was given an extraordinary long
> sentence to make that point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Jingsheng
A great Chinese patriot, who knew he would be punished, but spoke his mind
anyway. An example of courage.
DXP will be forgotten before WJS is.
rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:49:21 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
>
> > On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:50:54 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz
> > <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Who is he? A KMT agent?
>
> > Why am I not surprised no one recognized Mr. Wei. He was the
> > electrician who posted a rather amateurish essay on democracy, etc. on
> > the "Democracy Wall" next to the Forbidden City in the late 70s and
> > was jailed for more than 10 years for his efforts. When asked about
> > the harshness of Mr. Wei's sentence DXP replied that what Mr. Wei
> > wrote was trivial. An example had to be made to impress on the mob
> > that socially disruptive postings on the "Democracy Wall" was no
> > longer to be tolerated. Mr. Wei was given an extraordinary long
> > sentence to make that point.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Jingsheng
>
> A great Chinese patriot, who knew he would be punished, but spoke his mind
> anyway. An example of courage.
>
> DXP will be forgotten before WJS is.
Spoken like a true CIA agent whose job is to create chaos and
dissension for the PRC. Mr Wei is barely known today, while DXP is
known throughout the world. I have never heard of him until someone
post his name on SCC.
J.Venning
news:6d6c7490-ea3c-4a0c...@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
did he ever write anything truthful ? Look at the amount of time he spends
each day to troll and irritate Chinese people. He has no life - he doesn't
have anything better to do.
rst0wxyz
> (in article
>
> > What's 50,000 dead when they have 1.3 billion? It's barely a drop in the
> > bucket.
>
> Spoken like a true (what? fascist? I can't find a word that fits).
How about "Philosopher"?
Speaking from 10,000 miles away with reports of death and destruction
from Mother Nature. What is 50,000 when they have 1.3 billion? What
is a couple of million and Iraq only has 25 million? and Mother Nature
did not do her horrorable work in Iraq. We did!! Why aren't you
concerned about the death and destruction in Iraq? but Mother Nature's
fury in China?
RussellT
news:8a909c26-cc30-42aa...@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
These natural disasters can occur anywhere in the world. The only relevant
question is whether the games interfer with helping the disaster victims. I
believe the answer is obvious, that the games do not interfere with that.
China has sufficent resources to give all the help needed to the disaster
area. For example, they have a surplus of food, so there is no shortage of
that. The games continue.
rst0wxyz
> <hsyq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Russell T., this is the only sensible post I've seen from you.
PaPaPeng
<jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>A great Chinese patriot, who knew he would be punished, but spoke his mind
>anyway. An example of courage.
>
>DXP will be forgotten before WJS is.
I am sure if Wei had his druthers he would rather have the whole thing
forgotten and skipped that decade long jail sojourn. He didn't have
much of a choice going to jail. So where does courage come into the
equation? That's like calling every GI who was hit by a roadside IED
or a bullet a hero complete with medal or a fancy military burial. It
cheapens the word and it cheapens your appreciation of what society
deems as of extraordinary courage to qualify as heroic. But then a
cheap guy like would wouldn't have known the difference.
PaPaPeng
<jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>DXP will be forgotten before WJS is.
>
>--
>Love, Jim
>(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
>crossposts.)
>
Won't matter. By then you won't even remember your own name any more.
rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:41:53 +0800, Jim Walsh
>
> >DXP will be forgotten before WJS is.
>
> >--
> >Love, Jim
> >(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> >crossposts.)
>
> Won't matter. By then you won't even remember your own name any more.
His children certainly will not remember his name.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<6d6c7490-ea3c-4a0c...@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>):
> I have never heard of him until someone post his name on SCC.
You should educate yourself.
Jim Walsh
(in article <qmjr241o5g57qe2en...@4ax.com>):
>
> I am sure if Wei had his druthers he would rather have the whole thing
> forgotten and skipped that decade long jail sojourn. He didn't have much of
> a choice going to jail. So where does courage come into the equation?
He could have backed down, not posted his message. He was punished for
courageously speaking his opinion. Not to have done so would have been
"sensible", many might say, but progress is made by unreasonable people, with
courage.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<df5e6789-cf9e-47ec...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
Each loss is huge. Can you watch the news without crying? Are you really that
cold?
rst0wxyz
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:18:16 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
> > I have never heard of him until someone post his name on SCC.
>
> You should educate yourself.
What has he done for humanity? He can't even support himself, and
still depend on CIA handouts to live.
rst0wxyz
>
>
>
> > I am sure if Wei had his druthers he would rather have the whole thing
> > forgotten and skipped that decade long jail sojourn. He didn't have much of
> > a choice going to jail. So where does courage come into the equation?
>
> He could have backed down, not posted his message. He was punished for
> courageously speaking his opinion. Not to have done so would have been
> "sensible", many might say, but progress is made by unreasonable people, with
> courage.
Like I said many times, China's worst enemy is the Chinese people
themselves.
rst0wxyz
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:41:27 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 1:41 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:50:54 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> >> (in article
> >> <d43fb3cc-22f1-4582-a629-847d47d90...@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):
>
> >>> What's 50,000 dead when they have 1.3 billion? It's barely a drop in the
> >>> bucket.
>
> >> Spoken like a true (what? fascist? I can't find a word that fits).
>
> > How about "Philosopher"?
>
> > Speaking from 10,000 miles away with reports of death and destruction
> > from Mother Nature. What is 50,000 when they have 1.3 billion? What
> > is a couple of million and Iraq only has 25 million? and Mother Nature
> > did not do her horrorable work in Iraq. We did!! Why aren't you
> > concerned about the death and destruction in Iraq? but Mother Nature's
> > fury in China?
>
> Each loss is huge. Can you watch the news without crying? Are you really that
> cold?
Earthquakes, cyclones, floods, huarricanes,... are the cold facts of
live, Jim Walsh. Crying will not help, but rolling up your sleeves
and do something about Mother Nature's fury will.
War and destruction in Iraq are man-made. You cry over Iraq, but not
earthquakes in China or cyclones on Burma.
PaPaPeng
<jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:26:15 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
>(in article <qmjr241o5g57qe2en...@4ax.com>):
>
>>
>> I am sure if Wei had his druthers he would rather have the whole thing
>> forgotten and skipped that decade long jail sojourn. He didn't have much of
>> a choice going to jail. So where does courage come into the equation?
>
>He could have backed down, not posted his message. He was punished for
>courageously speaking his opinion. Not to have done so would have been
>"sensible", many might say, but progress is made by unreasonable people, with
>courage.
You must be an expert at Monday night quarterbacking.
No one had ever been arrested before for putting up posters. No one
knew it would carry a jail sentence let alone a long one. Thousands
of Democracy Wall Posters were put up overnight everyday and everyone
and his dog was lapping them up. Dang, no one thought of collecting
those taken down and thrown away to make room for new postings. They
would be fantastic (and pricey) collector's items today.
The Western media was playing up the Wall postings for all they were
worth as the Voice of Democracy for China, the Symbols of Doom for
Communism, The Foreboding of (insert your favorite slogan here). You
Jimbo had added you pen(n)is' worth up to today. Talk about flogging
a dead horse.
Wei wasn't courageous in putting up his wall poster. He was STUPID
enough to sign his real name to it. And why? Because he loved the
attention Western media was giving him, at last a real face behind a
Wall poster. There was an unseeming stampede to build him up as the
Hero of the Democracy Wall, something the US Congress and US special
interest groups would resume to do after Wei was released and went to
the US. Wei eventually proved to be as unremarkable a dud as the rest
of the TAM dissidents.
What Wei wrote was an amateurish rehash of issues that Western special
interests groups and Washington conspiracy types had tried to foist on
China to make China "more like America" - free press, unrestricted
access to democratic (aka US) publications, the vote, open elections,
unrestricted access to the Internet, no restrictions to travel...
Sounds familiar? You should. Recognize the same stuff you hawked
all these years? Your (Jimbo's) choice of heroes is as weak as your
ability to face the truth.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<d7340cc7-525e-47d0...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
Proclaiming your ignorance of a candidate for the Nobel Prize does you no
good. Lying about him does you even less.
http://fareast.ff.cuni.cz/lectures/wei/ICTWei.htm
Jim Walsh
(in article <n64134hutbusevppi...@4ax.com>):
> Wei wasn't courageous in putting up his wall poster. He was STUPID enough to
> sign his real name to it.
I understand that you quake in fear of the CCP and would not dare to speak
truth to power, especially not in your own name.
It is brave to do so. It is patriotic to do so. You (it seems) are always
concerned about what good it will do you. He (it seems) was more concerned
about how to improve his native land.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<bc7ef342-547b-42fc...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
The Chinese people are the enemy? No wonder you object to democracy?
rst0wxyz
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 00:56:04 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
> > On May 18, 9:01 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:18:16 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> >> (in article
> >> <6d6c7490-ea3c-4a0c-b7d8-39f4c9d91...@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>):
>
> >>> I have never heard of him until someone post his name on SCC.
>
> >> You should educate yourself.
>
> > What has he done for humanity? He can't even support himself, and
> > still depend on CIA handouts to live.
>
> Proclaiming your ignorance of a candidate for the Nobel Prize does you no
> good. Lying about him does you even less.
>
> http://fareast.ff.cuni.cz/lectures/wei/ICTWei.htm
It seems the Nobel Prize has become a tool for international
intrique. It honors the unworthy just because the person has become a
thorn to China. Anyone can put up a webpage to glorify a person or
himself.
rst0wxyz
>
> > Wei wasn't courageous in putting up his wall poster. He was STUPID enough to
> > sign his real name to it.
>
> I understand that you quake in fear of the CCP and would not dare to speak
> truth to power, especially not in your own name.
>
> It is brave to do so. It is patriotic to do so. You (it seems) are always
> concerned about what good it will do you. He (it seems) was more concerned
> about how to improve his native land.
He's a CIA puppet of the worst kind.
rst0wxyz
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 00:58:38 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 9:01 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:26:15 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
> >> (in article <qmjr241o5g57qe2en51g5lq0pi8tnfl...@4ax.com>):
>
> >>> I am sure if Wei had his druthers he would rather have the whole thing
> >>> forgotten and skipped that decade long jail sojourn. He didn't have much
> >>> of
> >>> a choice going to jail. So where does courage come into the equation?
>
> >> He could have backed down, not posted his message. He was punished for
> >> courageously speaking his opinion. Not to have done so would have been
> >> "sensible", many might say, but progress is made by unreasonable people,
> >> with
> >> courage.
>
> > Like I said many times, China's worst enemy is the Chinese people
> > themselves.
>
> The Chinese people are the enemy? No wonder you object to democracy?
Oh yeah, Jim Walsh is good at twisting words to suit his purpose.
Again, I state, China's worst enemy is the Chinese people themselves,
the Falun Gongs, The Yuan Shi Kai, Wu Sangui, the Dalai Lama, Chiang
Kai Sek, The Tiananmen Student leaders,...
koki
PaPaPeng
<jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>ei wasn't courageous in putting up his wall poster. He was STUPID enough to
>
>> sign his real name to it.
>
>I understand that you quake in fear of the CCP and would not dare to speak
>truth to power, especially not in your own name.
>
>It is brave to do so. It is patriotic to do so. You (it seems) are always
>concerned about what good it will do you. He (it seems) was more concerned
>about how to improve his native land.
The modern equivalent of "He was STUPID enough to sign his real name
to it." is using your real ID and personal particulars to blab your
mouth off on Facebook, blogs, or whatever people do these days to tell
the world their private thoughts and their personal indescretions.
Every one should know that when applying for a job (or a bank loan,
etc.) the first thing Human Resources do is to check if you have an
Internet Persona. There is no one I know of who hasn't said something
he/she has reason to regret later, especially when that person is
young and thinks himself/herself the center of the world. And there
you are, on the Internet somewhere in perpetuity, items that will
result in jobs you would kill for not offered, in promotions not
given, in the lady whom you are wooing think you an egostical perv.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<b3700420-28e0-44f8...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
Well, how about having an election. Let the Chinese people decide who they
want to be their government officials.
But you and your beloved CCP dare not, because the "enemy" you really fear is
the Chinese people en mass, with ballots in their hands.
Jim Walsh
(in article <v4p234hii9lm23hbs...@4ax.com>):
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:34 +0800, Jim Walsh
> <jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>
>> ei wasn't courageous in putting up his wall poster. He was STUPID enough
>> to
>>
>>> sign his real name to it.
>>
>> I understand that you quake in fear of the CCP and would not dare to speak
>> truth to power, especially not in your own name.
>>
>> It is brave to do so. It is patriotic to do so. You (it seems) are always
>> concerned about what good it will do you. He (it seems) was more concerned
>> about how to improve his native land.
>
>
> The modern equivalent of "He was STUPID enough to sign his real name
> to it." is using your real ID and personal particulars to blab your
> mouth off on Facebook, blogs, or whatever people do these days to tell
> the world their private thoughts and their personal indescretions.
He was brave enough to post his opinions, knowing that in the PRC, the CCP
will persecute people who do that. Courageous is the only word for him.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<69d0a713-a40b-484c...@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
go ahead. Put up a webpage to glorify the bootlickers you endorse for Chinese
patriot of the year.
And be sure to include your belief that the biggest enemy of China is the
Chinese people.
PaPaPeng
<jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:41:37 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
>(in article <v4p234hii9lm23hbs...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:34 +0800, Jim Walsh
>> <jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wei wasn't courageous in putting up his wall poster. He was STUPID enough
>>> to
>>>
>>>> sign his real name to it.
>>>
>>> I understand that you quake in fear of the CCP and would not dare to speak
>>> truth to power, especially not in your own name.
>>>
>>> It is brave to do so. It is patriotic to do so. You (it seems) are always
>>> concerned about what good it will do you. He (it seems) was more concerned
>>> about how to improve his native land.
>>
>>
>> The modern equivalent of "He was STUPID enough to sign his real name
>> to it." is using your real ID and personal particulars to blab your
>> mouth off on Facebook, blogs, or whatever people do these days to tell
>> the world their private thoughts and their personal indescretions.
>
>He was brave enough to post his opinions, knowing that in the PRC, the CCP
>will persecute people who do that. Courageous is the only word for him.
Fair enough. Seeing how enthusiastic you are to encourage people like
Wei to speak up for freedom you must be very familiar with the insides
of jailhouses from your many visits to your heroes.