In article <1991Jul10.094139.18...@unixg.ubc.ca>, arn...@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill D Arnett) writes:
> If they want to confuse Americans with some *truth*, they could always talk > about how on a HOT summer day in Vancouver (I'm assuming that they too > are SFU students) the temperature will get all > the way up to THIRTY DEGREES!! (Most americans will of course be thinking > degrees farenheit! (sp?) )
> Besides that, talk in metres, litres, and kilos as much as possible. And > spell everything the English way.
> Cheers. > Bill Arnett.
Living less than an hour's drive from Windsor I often go to Canada on the weekends. Several years ago I asked a young lady out to dinner and we decided to go to Windsor. When I went to pick her up (a few days latter) I was shocked to see her dressed in a medium heavy winter coat, boots, scarf and other such attire. It was July, maybe August. I asked her why she was dressed as she was. Her reply, ``Well we're going to Canada aren't we?'' The way she was dressed and her attitude convinced me she was expecting half a meter of snow and temperatures of about -15 degrees C.
After she changed we finally made it Windsor and had an acceptable time of it, but needless to say that was our last date. Oh to be young and foolish again!
Re: the strange Ontario rule that restaurants were not allowed to serve alcohol on Sundays unless the customer also consumed food -- that law was still on the books in Alberta until six weeks ago!
wark...@ltisun.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes: >I once went to see the Expos play at the Olympic stadium. There were several >beer vendors making their way through the crowd shouting something that >sounded like "Beoy, beer." Is the "beoy" bit supposed to be "biere"?
I was there for a few games around 84 and 85. At that time I couldn't figure out what they were saying either -- but I heard it as "yibe, beer". Anyone have know about that? From watching endless beer commercials on french TV during hockey games I doubt that "yibe" was "biere".
Maybe "yibe" is slang for "official" since most of the drinkers in the seats around me had brought their own beer in duffle bags! :-)
In article <2...@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes: >>More significant is the term 'half-sack', which americans don't use.
>Must be a Westernism. >--
Some eastern types may not be aware that a case (or "sack") of beer is a dozen out this way. The use of "sack" for a dozen seems to be declining, but "half-sack" for six pack is still pretty common. Cans come in flats of four six packs ("2-4's").
scott
note: I've done pretty extensive research in this area.
In article <1991Jul16.164449.29...@mks.com> d...@mks.com (Dave Till) writes: >I'm not sure of their motivation, but I know that Brewers Retail underwent >a radical change a few years ago.
The motivation was clear. The provincial government of the day was seriously considering the idea of allowing small grocery stores to sell beer and wine, like in Quebec. Brewer's Retail joined the chorus of church and medical groups opposed to the idea, because it was in danger of going from almost total monopoly to nothing.
There had also been a prolonged strike/lockout at the large three breweries, closing BR stores, forcing people to buy U.S. imports (good ol' Genny - ick) at liquor stores, or go to the handful of stores run by the small breweries. Part of the reason the government considered ending the BR monopoly was that all its stores closed during the strike/lockout, even though the small breweries were still pumping stuff out.
I recall a large ad campaign by Brewer's Retail, describing the potential job loss if it were to fold; it also implemented a number of changes, both cosmetic (the name) and in sales methods (self-serve, longer hours, the points Dave mentioned, and others). I also remember that the problems small berweries (Brick, Upper Canada, etc) had getting their products listed was also considerably eased at that time.
That the grocery-store proposal died quietly can be partly attributed to the fact that BR proved it could be even mildly responsive to consumer wants.
So from now on, whenever a government wants BR to shape up, they'll just re-open the grocery store debate :-).
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In article <1991Jul13.140202....@east.mks.com> d...@east.mks.com (Dale Gass) writes:
->Another one which doesn't get a second thought in Canada, but gets really ->strange looks in parts of the U.S. (and England, too), is asking for gravy ->on your fries. ("Gravy??? On top of the fries????")
Or even worst, ask them for a Poutine (and explain the recipe). The'll probably like it...
In article <1991Jul13.183607.10...@iisat.uucp> ke...@iisat.uucp (Kevin Davies) writes:
-> ->In article <1991Jul12.162524....@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, k...@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes: ->> In article <1991Jul12.020228.8...@news.iastate.edu> elsm...@iastate.edu (Smith Earl Laird) writes: ->> >A definite Canadianism in the U.S.A. would be to use one or two words of ->> >French. I would hazard a guess that few Anglo-Canadiens don't understand: ->> >e.g. ->> > ->> >oui ->> >c,a va? ->> >Qu'est-ce que c'est? ->That's something that I've *never* experienced around here. True, almost ->everyone know 'oui', but they wouldn't mix it with their English.
What about those "La Beer, La Goddess" commercials?
In article <1991Jul16.125949.4...@uoft02.utoledo.edu> fax0...@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>Living less than an hour's drive from Windsor I often go to Canada on the >weekends. Several years ago I asked a young lady out to dinner and we >decided to go to Windsor. When I went to pick her up (a few days latter) >I was shocked to see her dressed in a medium heavy winter coat, boots, scarf >and other such attire. It was July, maybe August. I asked her why she was >dressed as she was. Her reply, ``Well we're going to Canada aren't we?'' >The way she was dressed and her attitude convinced me she was expecting >half a meter of snow and temperatures of about -15 degrees C.
This is humour, correct? Parody? An extension of previous examples, taken to homourous extremes, right?
....Jose who the incredulous
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In article <1991Jul13.140202....@east.mks.com> d...@east.mks.com (Dale Gass) writes:
>->Another one which doesn't get a second thought in Canada, but gets really >->strange looks in parts of the U.S. (and England, too), is asking for gravy >->on your fries. ("Gravy??? On top of the fries????")
Gravy on fries is a semi-common question where I live (Central and/or Western Pennsylvania). What usually gets strange looks except in the place where I was introduced to it is Chili-Cheese Fries. When I get these looks it's usually that they've heard of Chili fries and Cheese fries, but not both.
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In article <1991Jul13.024059.3...@watserv1.waterloo.edu> wetm...@theochem.waterloo.edu (Ross W. Wetmore) writes:
>jdnic...@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: >>I don't think plausiblity should be seen >>as a limitation on feeding people a line on Canada. >> James Nicoll > For the other extreme, just ask for vinegar with your chips in any >restaurant. The amusement for you is seeing what kind of container >and/or colour the stuff comes back in after you finally convince them >that you really do mean vinegar.
Brings back memories,
On a car trip to Florida, we stopped in a restaurant in Georgia. After long discussion, the waitress showed up with a large paper cup full of white vinegar. Then the people sitting in the next table ask:
Is yo'all po-rin wa-tah on yo french fries?
We replied:
No, it's vinegar
We get a blank look in reply. Long pause. Then,
We'all po vinegar on our salads.
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In article <1991Jul16.124925.11...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> thom...@hub.toronto.edu (Brian Thomson) writes: ->That's because what Canadians call "rye" is made mostly from wheat and ->contains little rye. American rye is the real thing. They call ->Canadian whisky "Canadian whiskey", which is quite sensible if you ignore ->the spurious "e".
Canadian Whisky (Rye) is normally made of 49% Rye and 51% Malt. American Whiskey (Bourbon) is normally made of 49% Corn and 51% Malt. Scoth Whisky (Scotch) is normally made of 100% Malt.
In article <8747@elgendy> aud...@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes: >Canadian Whisky (Rye) is normally made of 49% Rye and 51% Malt. >American Whiskey (Bourbon) is normally made of 49% Corn and 51% Malt.
I'm pretty sure that these vary widely from brand to brand. I'm also pretty sure that some Canadian Whiskys have no Rye in them. Most have some though.
>Scoth Whisky (Scotch) is normally made of 100% Malt.
There are 2 types of Scotch. There is the single malt Scotch and the blended Scotch. The single Malt is (of course) 100% malt. Most Scotch Whiskys however are blended. Look on the label, if it doesn't say 'single malt' or something equally unambiguous, it is not.
An interesting point is that most Irish Whiskys (or at least the ones you can buy here in Ontario) are TRUE Rye whiskys.
>Francois Audet
p.s. Where did you dig up these percentages?
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>>Canadian Whisky (Rye) is normally made of 49% Rye and 51% Malt. >>American Whiskey (Bourbon) is normally made of 49% Corn and 51% Malt.
>I'm pretty sure that these vary widely from brand to brand. I'm also >pretty sure that some Canadian Whiskys have no Rye in them. Most have >some though.
Hum... I have doubts. Rye is not something expensive.
>>Scoth Whisky (Scotch) is normally made of 100% Malt.
>There are 2 types of Scotch. There is the single malt Scotch and the >blended Scotch. The single Malt is (of course) 100% malt. Most Scotch >Whiskys however are blended. Look on the label, if it doesn't say >'single malt' or something equally unambiguous, it is not.
The "Pur malt" label (as they say in french) refers to the fact that only one type of whisky (from the same type of malt) is used. The "blended" whiskies are a mix of more than one whiskies (i.e. different malts aged in different recipients). I think that all scotch whiskies need to be made entirely of malt in Scotland.
Another thing to consider is the age of the whisky. A good Pure-malt 12-year old scotch whisky is my favourite.
Another interesting point is that "whisky" simply means eau-de-vie (i.e. booze) in scottish (or gaelic, whatever). The only whisky who's appelation is controlled is the scotch whisky. The water used in scotch whiskies has to come from a scottish source and I think only malt has to be used.
>An interesting point is that most Irish Whiskys (or at least the ones >you can buy here in Ontario) are TRUE Rye whiskys.
Really? I think that irish whiskies are also aged in wooden bared with a burned interior.
>p.s. Where did you dig up these percentages?
A friend of mine visited quite a few distilleries in Scotland (they served whisky at the end of course). They explain the method of fabrication. That's were I got the percentages.
Also, american and irish whiskies are spelled "WHISKEY" while canadian and scotch whiskies are spelled "WHISKY".
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er...@sunee.waterloo.edu (Erick Engelke) writes: > In article <1991Jul11.150141.18...@watcgl.waterloo.edu> bhic...@watcgl.waterl
> >Go into a store and request a 2-4 of Budweiser or some other beer. > >Screws them up every time: "a........2-4?"
> So do the words 'mickey', 26er, 40 pounder and rye.
Brings up the story of the origin of the U.S. gallon. Seems that in the old (colonial) days whiskey was sold by the gallon (one Imperial gallon = 160 fluid ounces). The gallon was usually divided into 6 sections of 26 and 2/3 fluid ounces, the (in)famous 26er. The dregs at the bottom of the barrel, the last sixth, was generally undrinkable. Thus "gallon" came to be assumed to mean 5/6th of the Imperial gallon. Therefore, the "26er" became a "fifth" of a gallon. I'll drink to that.
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In article <2...@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes: >On a car trip to Florida, we stopped in a restaurant in Georgia. After long >discussion, the waitress showed up with a large paper cup full of >white vinegar. Then the people sitting in the next table ask:
> Is yo'all po-rin wa-tah on yo french fries?
>We replied:
> No, it's vinegar
>We get a blank look in reply. Long pause. Then,
> We'all po vinegar on our salads.
>Isn't cultural exchange wonderful?
At a Burger King in Tennesee (sp?), upon asking for vinegar (I was 14 and just thought that this was a fact of life), I was eventually presented with a bottle of oil-and-vinegar dressing from the salad bar.
Mind you, many English folks that I know (and some Canadians) think that white vinegar on fries is just absurd: malt vinegar, of course, being the only proper way to go. I'd say that only about 50% of the places around here (southern Ontario) have both white and malt vinegar for fries.
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In article <1991Jul16.164449.29...@mks.com> d...@mks.com (Dave Till) writes:
>Americans (and non-Ontarians) reading this newsgroup may find the >following true facts hard to believe:
>-- the Blue Jays were not allowed to sell beer in the ballpark until >somewhere around 1981;
>-- restaurants were not allowed to serve alcohol on Sundays unless >a certain amount of food was also served;
>-- liquor and beer stores were closed on election day, presumably >to ensure that we would not get tanked before exercising our >democratic function (me, I often felt the need to get tanked afterwards :-));
>-- and, within my own lifetime, liquor purchasers were required >to fill out forms listing their names and addresses.
All this is true, and more...
Even today we have some interesting situations. My understanding is that the Ontario Liquor Licensing Board has not issued a "Tavern" license in years. Old "Tavern" licenses are not renewed when a business is sold. The new owners must apply for the same "Restaurant" license than new establish- ments must obtain.
This is the reason why "Bars" serve food and "finger food". They must balance liquor and food sales. Some places charge a fee to enter and apply it to "free" food. This is a great solution, because the "door" income is classified as "food" sales whether or not food was actually supplied.
In article <1991Jul16.164449.29...@mks.com> d...@mks.com (Dave Till) writes:
>Americans (and non-Ontarians) reading this newsgroup may find the >following true facts hard to believe:
>-- the Blue Jays were not allowed to sell beer in the ballpark until >somewhere around 1981;
>-- restaurants were not allowed to serve alcohol on Sundays unless >a certain amount of food was also served;
>-- liquor and beer stores were closed on election day, presumably >to ensure that we would not get tanked before exercising our >democratic function (me, I often felt the need to get tanked afterwards :-));
>-- and, within my own lifetime, liquor purchasers were required >to fill out forms listing their names and addresses.
>It gets worse: a generation (or two) ago, Toronto used to padlock swing sets >on Sundays. (Can anyone tell me when this stopped happening? I was
Don't forget, we still can't shop on Sundays!
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In article <28843998.2...@telly.on.ca> e...@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >That the grocery-store proposal died quietly can be partly attributed to >the fact that BR proved it could be even mildly responsive to consumer wants.
Only after great kicking and screaming.
>So from now on, whenever a government wants BR to shape up, they'll just >re-open the grocery store debate :-).
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In article <1991Jul16.164449.29...@mks.com> d...@mks.com (Dave Till) writes: >Americans (and non-Ontarians) reading this newsgroup may find the >following true facts hard to believe:
>-- the Blue Jays were not allowed to sell beer in the ballpark until >somewhere around 1981;
>-- restaurants were not allowed to serve alcohol on Sundays unless >a certain amount of food was also served;
>-- liquor and beer stores were closed on election day, presumably >to ensure that we would not get tanked before exercising our >democratic function (me, I often felt the need to get tanked afterwards :-));
>-- and, within my own lifetime, liquor purchasers were required >to fill out forms listing their names and addresses.
/* flame on I don't know why, but as a transplanted Ontarian Canadian I get really angry when I see Ontario liquor laws made fun of w.r.t. their American counterparts. At least Ontario has a semi-reasonable drinking age (19) although I would say it should be no higher than 16. The U.S. has a tight-assed ultra-conservative drinking age of 21. Also, some U.S. states require the purchase of a licence to drink (Kansas?)
Waterloo (my undergrad school) has an excellent student pub; at Stanford most undergrads aren't even old enough to drink. A Stanford instructor (Stuart Reges) was recently fired in part for allowing undergrads to drink underage (horrors :-) ). This kind of bureaucratic bullshit just wouldn't happen in Canada. flame off */
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In article <1991Jul22.014528.26...@neon.Stanford.EDU> a...@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
Posting about odd Ontario liquor laws deleted.
>/* flame on >I don't know why, but as a transplanted Ontarian Canadian I get really angry >when I see Ontario liquor laws made fun of w.r.t. their American counterparts. >At least Ontario has a semi-reasonable drinking age (19) although I would say >it should be no higher than 16.
>>I don't know why, but as a transplanted Ontarian Canadian I get really angry >>when I see Ontario liquor laws made fun of w.r.t. their American counterparts. >>At least Ontario has a semi-reasonable drinking age (19) although I would say >>it should be no higher than 16.
> Why?
> James Nicoll
Why can't we in North America espouse a healthier attitude towards alcohol like they do in Europe? Over there, wine and beer are a part of everyday life, and people (especially high school and university students) don't go on weekend binges and get sick like dogs! -- George A. Heckman "Relax. Don't worry. Dept. of Computer Science Have a homebrew!" University of Waterloo - Charlie Papazian, "The Ontario, Canada, N2L 3G1 Complete Joy of Home Brewing"
>jdnic...@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: >>a...@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>> Posting about odd Ontario liquor laws deleted.
>>>I don't know why, but as a transplanted Ontarian Canadian I get really angry >>>when I see Ontario liquor laws made fun of w.r.t. their American counterparts. >>>At least Ontario has a semi-reasonable drinking age (19) although I would say >>>it should be no higher than 16.
>> Why?
>> James Nicoll
>Why can't we in North America espouse a healthier attitude towards alcohol >like they do in Europe? Over there, wine and beer are a part of everyday >life, and people (especially high school and university students) don't >go on weekend binges and get sick like dogs!
I'm not sure that the above answers the question. Are you saying that consumption of alcohol from a young age leads to healthier attitudes? What are the benefits of a reduced drinking age, or the problems caused by the current drinking age, in your opinion? I'm not disagreeing (or agreeing) with you, becuase I can't tell whether or not I would on the basis of our postings so far.
In article <1991Jul22.014528.26...@neon.Stanford.EDU> a...@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes (Hi, David!):
> At least Ontario has a semi-reasonable drinking age (19) although I would say > it should be no higher than 16. The U.S. has a tight-assed ultra-conservative > drinking age of 21. Also, some U.S. states require the purchase of a licence > to drink (Kansas?)
> Waterloo (my undergrad school) has an excellent student pub; at Stanford most > undergrads aren't even old enough to drink. A Stanford instructor (Stuart > Reges) was recently fired in part for allowing undergrads to drink underage > (horrors :-) ). This kind of bureaucratic bullshit just wouldn't happen in > Canada.
What I find particularly amusing is that Vanderbilt recently had a campaign to foster "intellectualism" on campus. My understanding, supported by a friend in History of Philosophy, is that there has never been any intellectual movement without alcohol (there may have been the occasional teetotalling philosopher, but never a whole movement).
Naturally, the campaign to foster intellectualism was simultaneous with a crackdown on underage drinking.
(Of course, at Waterloo, they only used to check what year you enrolled, rather than the year you were born, so a sixteen-year-old second-year student could get into the Bombshelter using his own ID. (But then, to the best of my knowledge, this situation only existed for two weeks. There was also, once, a fourteen-year-old grad student. I don't know whether he was served in bars.) (I didn't start getting into bars until I was seventeen, perhaps because I never tried.)) -- -- Cary Timar, Mathematics Department, Vanderbilt University
>>Why can't we in North America espouse a healthier attitude towards alcohol >>like they do in Europe? Over there, wine and beer are a part of everyday >>life, and people (especially high school and university students) don't >>go on weekend binges and get sick like dogs!
> I'm not sure that the above answers the question. Are you >saying that consumption of alcohol from a young age leads to healthier >attitudes? What are the benefits of a reduced drinking age, or the >problems caused by the current drinking age, in your opinion? I'm >not disagreeing (or agreeing) with you, becuase I can't tell whether or >not I would on the basis of our postings so far.
> James Nicoll
I was merely wanting to open up a new discussion. It seems to me that the only reason why this drinking age is enforced is because people don't know how to drink. As a proctor in a university residence, I have seen many people getting completely wasted just because they turn 19. After that, they don't drink at all during the week, but when the weekend comes, they binge again. Alcohol seems to be more of a drug than something to be tasted and appreciated.
Such a big deal is made from how "bad" and "illegal" it is to drink underage. The existence of this drinking age seems to overemphasize the intoxicating effects of "booze", and people aren't educated, both at home and elsewhere, that drinking wine, beer, and spirits can be an enjoyable part of a meal or a social occasion. Getting drunk is seen as "cool", puking and losing consciousnous a "badge of honour", not as detrimental to one's health (and potentially to other people's health), very stupid, and humiliating.
I would like to know people's thoughts on this.
George -- George A. Heckman "Relax. Don't worry. Dept. of Computer Science Have a homebrew!" University of Waterloo - Charlie Papazian, "The Ontario, Canada, N2L 3G1 Complete Joy of Home Brewing"
>In article <1991Jul22.014528.26...@neon.Stanford.EDU> a...@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes (Hi, David!): >> At least Ontario has a semi-reasonable drinking age (19) although I would say >> it should be no higher than 16. The U.S. has a tight-assed ultra-conservative >> drinking age of 21. Also, some U.S. states require the purchase of a licence >> to drink (Kansas?)
>> Waterloo (my undergrad school) has an excellent student pub; at Stanford most >> undergrads aren't even old enough to drink. A Stanford instructor (Stuart >> Reges) was recently fired in part for allowing undergrads to drink underage >> (horrors :-) ). This kind of bureaucratic bullshit just wouldn't happen in >> Canada.
>What I find particularly amusing is that Vanderbilt recently had a >campaign to foster "intellectualism" on campus. My understanding, supported >by a friend in History of Philosophy, is that there has never been any >intellectual movement without alcohol (there may have been the occasional >teetotalling philosopher, but never a whole movement).
This seems to be equally ridiculous in the other extreme, though. It's like saying that there has never been a successful baseball team without alcohol. There might have been the occasional teetotalling ballplayer, but never a whole team.
The point I'm making is that the majority of people in most walks of life drink, at least on occasion, and therefore it seems pretty weak to make any causal inferences.
>(Of course, at Waterloo, they only used to check what year you enrolled, >rather than the year you were born, so a sixteen-year-old second-year >student could get into the Bombshelter using his own ID. (But then, to >the best of my knowledge, this situation only existed for two weeks.
It existed for much longer than 2 weeks. Also the Ontario DL used to not include a photo, so even though they were supposed to use an "age of majority" card, it could often get you past the door at bars by suitable "borrowing" of ID. This didn't work for me when I tried to pass myself off as Asian, though :-)
True story regarding ID's: three of us were once asked for ID at McGinnis Landing in Waterloo. The other two immediately pulled out out-of-province IDs. There was a long song-and-dance involving the manager regarding whether they could accept this ID. Eventually the agreed to do so, but by this point they completely forgot to check my ID. I was the only one who was underage :-) -- David W. Ash | "Being in a minority, even a minority of one, a...@sumex-aim.stanford.edu | does not make one insane." HOME: (415) 497-1629 | WORK: (415) 725-3859 | --Winston Smith in Orwell's "1984".
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