A THING OR TWO ABOUT MAKING A DEMOCRATIC NATION.
mogyothwar
I have said it many times, beef steak, roast beef, stewed beef,
curried beef, beef Sii Byan(Ame Nhut) or even shredded beef with
yellow bean sause, whatever they are named and called, but they all
are beef, beef is beef it comes from bull or ox. Cows are save for
milk and to have calves.
I am goving you a little bit of taste as a starter, you have to put
your own effort in to know the details, in and out, the dos and the
don't of democracy if you really want to know about it and to enjoy
the human rights. .
Democracy and Myanmar , Human rights and Myanmars. What kind of
democracy, what kind of Human Rights ? It all depends on how much do
you know about Democracy, how much do you know about human rights ?
Some people laughed at Myama ways to Socialism, Myanma way to
Democracy . I don’t know how much they know about Socialism or
Democracy, to laugh at Myanma ways, I am not sure. But what I am sure
of is everybody has his own style of doing things as I said above
about beef.
What way is Democracy in American way, what way is Democracy in
British way?
Democracy may be , but not without ‘socialism’. What ever you do in
politic, in economy all are dedicated to the people, for the people.
Welfare of the people is socialism. If you don’t care for the people ,
if you are not doing anything for the people.
According to Bo Gyoke Aung San , his translation of socialism is, “
Luu Amyar Koung Zar Yey Wahda ”. Not “ Luu Ne Zu or Luu Dazu Koung Zar
Yey Wahda, Socialism is translated in another way as , “ the way for
people in poverty to get rich ” . ‘Luu Mwe Dway Tha-htay Phyit‘. I am
not sure that’s is logical or not, practical or not.
Once upon a time Myanmars sang a song, “ Doe Naga Ni or Our Red
Dragon/ We The Red Dragons ”. Myanmars also associated with the bird “
Ou Doung”, Peacock , the dancing one. As well as the fighting Peacock
‘Khut Doung ’, a special symbol of struggle by the university
students, then the ‘Chin -they ’ the Lion as symbols
Since Buddha’s days, in the books. Caste system was there, Min Myo
(the ruling class) Ponna Myo ( advisors) , Thu-htay Myo ( the rich )
Thu Kywe Myo ( the wealthy ) Thu Sin Ye Myo ( the poor) , and Phone
Toung Yazakar, ( the beggars ).
Today we have Rich Nations, Poor nations. Developed Nations ,
Developing Nations Under developed Nations . The bottom line is Third
World countries . Upper class, middle class and lower class people.
Why are they there like that, why, and what can we do about it.
Democracy, according to The Concise Oxford dictionary Democracy, a
State having government by all the people, direct or representatives;
form of society . Ignoring hereditary class distinctions and
tolerating, minority views.
How do we understand is important, it depends how do you translate,
how do you interpret.
As you all ready know, the word Democracy itself is neither Myanmar
nor English. It happens to be Greek. It has several different senses
in contemporary usage.
Government by the people,
Direct or representative.
Ignoring hereditary class distinctions
Tolerating minority views.
What do these phrases and words really means ? There may be many
translations and interpretations by many people. to suit themselves
from originally Greek to any other language, at the time not many
people of the world knew how to read and write, or at the time when
there were not many books , or where to find books to read.
Walt Whitman’s in his three essays he stated how he understand the
democracy in 1871 edition of “ Democratic Vistas ”.
Democracy and American Novel by Henry Adams was published anonymously
in 1880. Why anonymously ?
Democracy in America, translation of ‘ DE LA DEMOCRATIE AN AMERIQUE ’
originally and Eng. Trans 1835 - 40, description and analysis of the
American political system in the early part of the 19 th century by
Alexis de Tocqueville.
Democracy in Europe essay by Lord Action, in the Quarterly Review.
Book of knowledge says, “ modern democratic ideas were shaped to large
extent by medieval ideas, and institution notably, (1) the concept of
divine, natural laws , as a restraint on the exercise of power, and
(2) the practice by which kings sought approval of their policies,
including the right to levy taxes, consulting different estates, or
group interest in the realm.
Gathering of representatives of these interests were the origin of
modern parliaments and legislative assemblies. Contributing to their
emergence were profound intellectual and social developments , notably
concepts of natural rights and political equality and the American and
French revolution.
Representative parliaments, freely elected under universal franchise ,
which became the central institution, of democratic governments, in
the 19 th and in the 20 th century.
Democracy in United States of America started in 1792 , those who
supported Thomas Jefferson , who emphasised anti, monarchic
sentiments. It is said, Democratic Republican party ruled continuously
for 40 years. During the presidency of Andrew Jackson in 1830s present
name of Democratic Party was adopted.
On the eve of 1860 party split into two, and American Civil War of
North and South on the issues of slavery was fought.
Called it what you will , the making of United States of America, a
Democratic Nation is not without struggles, not bloodless, not without
civil war not without killing fellow American by the fellow American
because of ideology, because of system and not to forget , before
that, the so called American had wiped out the indigenous tribal
native of the land. These original people are becoming endangered
human species, they are becoming museum pieces in the process of
making US to be a Democratic Nation.
If you go and meet and talk to these few people , they will tell you
about their history, their rights in the past as well as at present.
You better hear from their own mouth. But there is nothing you or they
can do about it. Free or not, Fair or not, Just or not ,
Equal or not, you decide.
Some people compare SPDC , level SPDC with the Americans of the west.
Because they have no idea, no a slightest idea what American History
is. They may be watching Hollywood made Western , cowboys, settlers
and the Red Indians movies . I don’t know how they understand them.
In the West , democracy also implied freedom of speech and the press,
and the rule of law.
The Communist’s, “ peoples’ democracy ” rejected such criteria,
arguing that collective ownership of means of production is sufficient
to ensure the will of people will be carried out.
Having said that, in 1941 Chinese political groups founded ‘The League
of Chinese Political Groups ’ mainly by Western- educated
intellectuals who wanted to mediate between the Communists and the
Nationalists Kuomingtang(KMT) . It soon assumed important political
role, but at the end of the WW II many none communist members rejoined
the KMT, The League supported a US proposal in 1946 for a coalition
government with the Communists , but Chang Kai - Shek outlawed the
group in 1947.
After the victory of Communists in 1949, league members were given
prominent positions, but the constitution of 1954 relegated all none
Communist parties to lesser status.
The League continued to be active in culture and educational affairs ,
but during the Great Proletarian Culture Revolution ( 1966 - 69) many
members were severely criticized and the league’s influence was
greatly diminished .
It reminds me of Anti Fascist Peoples Freedom League,(AFPFL) which
broke up in the end . The National League for Democracy (NLD) which
enjoys the support of United States of America., how will it end up
will be very , very interesting.
These are the facts, what you make out is up to you.
Regards,
Mogyothwar.
SCB Advisory Board
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Dear MMDP & Friends,
That is what I am talking about,
There are those who dislike or who does not know about Democracy. It
is proven day by day that because of these destructive elements
Democracy is becoming cheap and worthless.
For them Democracy means ,free to swear, free to use foul language,
abusive language , free to accuse people , harass and swearing.
Why it take so long to introduce Democracy in Union of Myanmar, what
it did not take root in Union of Myanmar.
Because their nature , their attitude, and behaviours of some so
called Myanmar on this site .
That may be the cause, why SPDC had to take responsibility of the
nation, why SPDC has to introduce democracy and SPDC has to necessary
actions against those who abuse democracy. That is why SPDC has to
guard that Democracy, in years to come.
That may be why, the West has to try and make understanding between
concerned people in Myanmar for democracy in Myanmar. Because through
the internet and many other sources , the so called demo-campers
around are so discouraging, hopeless for the West as well as for all
Myanmars to rely on.
Besides, the west and all concerned people realised that Union of
Myanmar and its people in the hands of these fakes demo campers will
be very much worse.
The west and all concern people realised why SPDC had to do certain
things. The West has its own experience in Afghanistan , and in Iraq,
how difficult it is to introduced democracy in those countries and
what the cost is .
The west is still facing the uncertainty everywhere, where democracy
is concerned because of these destructive elements . They will
destruct democracy, multi party , single party , capitalism, socialism
communism . Because they know nothing but to destruct.
These destructive elements do not even realise that they themselves
will in the end meet selfdestruction. Because nobody want them
anywhere.
Regards,
MGT.
James
Hi Sando/Mogyothwar/Thunderbolts(Than-Lan-Ball)/Shwe Mint
/Gwemathargyi?/khayaypwint?/phin_Wa?/Kutha Nu-Nar?,
You change your name every now and then. Why is that if you already
are known by all of them? What is the point? Would you like to be like
a chameleon, masking and changing its true identity all the time? Do
you need to behave like that? Do you think you will become more
credible to the unknown readers, the silent majority of SCB and other
forums? Are you planning to use even other (new) nick names as well?
You clearly presented a definition of the term 'democracy' from the
COD or rather some main characteristics that you might have found from
other sources as well, "Government by the people, Direct or
representative. Ignoring hereditary class distinctions Tolerating
minority views." and (Western) "freedom of speech and the press, and
the rule of law" (everyone is equal to the law and under the law).
As it seems that you know quite well what you are talking about I
would like to ask you: Using the qualities that you summarise, would
you say that Burma/Myanmar will be a democracy after the 2010
elections? Would the new government be fully and freely elected by the
people, be fully representative for the people, ignore hereditary
class (ethnic) distinctions and tolerate minorities (e.g. Rohingyas)
and their views?
Whatever your sincere answer to that question is (yes or no), could
you substantiate it, could you explain your view on the (expected)
form of the government after the upcoming elections and how that
government might conform to (or instead violate) the description of a
democracy as you presented it?
I'm just trying to understand you with regard to your rather
unexpected post on the concepts of democracy and its traits. I found
it more or less unexpected thinking that you had quite a different
view on democracy than I have, while I can quite well agree with those
main features that you presented. I could even add the principle of
self-correction (of mistakes) if applicable.
So enlight me/us on your views on a 'democracy' in Burma in relation
to the virtues of democracy and democracies elsewhere that you
mentioned too. What 'democratic' role would the SPDC and the Tatmadaw
play in a 'democracy' as idealised by you, if any? What roles would
participating parties and their candidates play? What roles might
current political prisoners play?
Regards,
JRB
James Russell Brownwood
James.Russe...@Gmail.com
Justice Reforms Burma
http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)
Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my
nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are
independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events
and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
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Zo Khup
Sando
> Why Britain accept a facist on their soil. Myogyotwar is a facist.
Zo,
Do you know Britain has its own Fascist Party in the past as well as
at Present. It is within the laws.
It a part of Freedom of association. In every society there are
fascists, in the own form.
They have their own race, they have their own blood. Not every Tom
Dick and Harry from anywhere can join them.
The Fascist Party don't need me because I am a foreigner in their
land, They don't take me because I have foreign blood in me.
If the British Fascists has its own way, I won't be here. They will
kick me out for sure for just being foreign.
Lets say, in Union of Myanmar , Shan, Chin, Kachin, Kayin, Kayah some
of the are the same as fascists, they don't want anybody if they are
not from their own clan. You know what I am talking about, don't
you?
You may be one of the fascists in your own way. because that is your
sttitude, that is your behaviour.
For your information, I am a Bamar. if you don't know.
For you, I may be fascist, but for others, I am a yanmar Myo
Chit ,Patriots.
Tell you what, the funds that Churches of Burma send to you every
year , some of them are my donations intended for the to purify the
Christianity, as free religion
I am hearing some of you are misusing them. Is that what caught
you when I said something about it?
Come clean my boy, don't misuse the religion. If you do that , that
will be as bad as you fucking your own mother Mary. Do you realise
that?
Be a Good boy during this festive season, OK?
Sando.
Zo Khup
as a democrat in future. That will be as wrong as phucking Buddha's
mother and Daw Kyaing Kyaing. Becareful Gando.