I see that US Senator Mitch McConnell called on 9 July 2004 for "the downgrading of diplomatic relations with the illegitimate State Peace and Development Council by placing its senior representative in Washington on the next flight to Southeast Asia".
Senator McConnell may not understand that diplomatic relations are between States, not between administrations. These relations are governed by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, to which both the US and Burma have acceded. As a sign of displeasure with the SPDC's policies, the US have not for some time sought to appoint an Ambassador to Rangoon. However, the US could only require the Burmese Ambassador to leave by declaring him persona non grata on the grounds that his personal conduct was held to be incompatible with accepted diplomatic practice, and there is absolutely no evidence of this. Indeed, Mr Linn Myaing is, I understand, a charming and hard-working individual.
Should the US wish to negotiate a downgrading of diplomatic relations and assign a new class to their respective Heads of Missions, they may indeed seek to do so under Article 15 of the Vienna Convention. But this requires negotiation and agreement between the two States. A downgrading cannot be imposed unilaterally by one Party. Nor can Ambassadors be expelled without valid legal reason. In both cases it would be a breach of the Vienna Convention to attempt do so, and as the Vienna Convention is also incorporated into US domestic law, it would accordingly be a breach of both international law as well as an offence under US domestic law.
In any tit-for-tat expulsion, the US would be bound to come off worse. The US Embassy in Rangoon, which has far more home-based officials than the Burmese Embassy in Washington, would find their numbers decimated. The US Embassy in Rangoon keep a large staff, no doubt to monitor the situation in Burma. I do not suppose that the junta would be too worried if officials were mutually expelled down to zero. Now that the US has imposed tough sanctions against Burma, the junta might well wonder what possible value the maintenance of diplomatic relations with the US has for them, and I suspect that they would not be all that concerned if the US were to break relations. Burma enjoys normal diplomatic and trading relations with most countries in the Asia Pacific region, including such industrial giants as China, Japan, Russia and India, so that the departure of US diplomats from Rangoon would not necessarily be unwelcome. Burma would retain a restricted foothold in the US through their permanent representation in the United Nations.
Most of Burma's neighbours have, over the last thirty years, suffered from US imposed sanctions regimes. The more the Neo Cons in Washington huff and puff, the more entrenched the junta is likely to become. Disregard of international and domestic law would not however be likely to cause the Neo Cons all that much concern, as their support for the war in Iraq has shown. But the State Department can scarcely welcome Senator McConnell's intervention, which if implemented would be to the detriment of US interests. Senator McConnell's interests, however, are clearly personal and political.
Derek Tonkin [British Ambassador to Thailand 1986-89]
You have a good point. Senator Mitch McConnell has been calling such move based on his personal feeling, I believe.
In fact, US has already breached international treaty, i.e., WTO (sanctions against WTO regulations which both US and Burma signed. So what is the big deal for the US to breach any international rules and regulations? I personally do not like SPDC at all. But in this case, Burma is being bullied because Burma is such a small state of which the US does not have any interest at all except US's support for DASSK. If the US really wants Burma to be free, then they have to make an effort for Burma to be under-sieged. Sanctions irrespective of multilateral or unilateral sanctions will not work for the case of Burma. Siege is the only way and which is also impossible.
"Derek" <derekton...@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:ccrcll$3sl$1@titan.btinternet.com>... > I see that US Senator Mitch McConnell called on 9 July 2004 for "the > downgrading of diplomatic relations with the illegitimate State Peace and > Development Council by placing its senior representative in Washington on > the next flight to Southeast Asia".
> Senator McConnell may not understand that diplomatic relations are between > States, not between administrations. These relations are governed by the > Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, to which both the US and Burma > have acceded. As a sign of displeasure with the SPDC's policies, the US have > not for some time sought to appoint an Ambassador to Rangoon. However, the > US could only require the Burmese Ambassador to leave by declaring him > persona non grata on the grounds that his personal conduct was held to be > incompatible with accepted diplomatic practice, and there is absolutely no > evidence of this. Indeed, Mr Linn Myaing is, I understand, a charming and > hard-working individual.
> Should the US wish to negotiate a downgrading of diplomatic relations and > assign a new class to their respective Heads of Missions, they may indeed > seek to do so under Article 15 of the Vienna Convention. But this requires > negotiation and agreement between the two States. A downgrading cannot be > imposed unilaterally by one Party. Nor can Ambassadors be expelled without > valid legal reason. In both cases it would be a breach of the Vienna > Convention to attempt do so, and as the Vienna Convention is also > incorporated into US domestic law, it would accordingly be a breach of both > international law as well as an offence under US domestic law.
> In any tit-for-tat expulsion, the US would be bound to come off worse. The > US Embassy in Rangoon, which has far more home-based officials than the > Burmese Embassy in Washington, would find their numbers decimated. The US > Embassy in Rangoon keep a large staff, no doubt to monitor the situation in > Burma. I do not suppose that the junta would be too worried if > officials were mutually expelled down to zero. Now that the US has imposed > tough sanctions against Burma, the junta might well wonder what possible > value the maintenance of diplomatic relations with the US has for them, and > I suspect that they would not be all that concerned if the US were to break > relations. Burma enjoys normal diplomatic and trading relations with most > countries in the Asia Pacific region, including such industrial giants as > China, Japan, Russia and India, so that the departure of US diplomats from > Rangoon would not necessarily be unwelcome. Burma would retain a restricted > foothold in the US through their permanent representation in the United > Nations.
> Most of Burma's neighbours have, over the last thirty years, suffered from > US imposed sanctions regimes. The more the Neo Cons in Washington huff and > puff, the more entrenched the junta is likely to become. Disregard of > international and domestic law would not however be likely to cause the Neo > Cons all that much concern, as their support for the war in Iraq has shown. > But the State Department can scarcely welcome Senator McConnell's > intervention, which if implemented would be to the detriment of US > interests. Senator McConnell's interests, however, are clearly personal and > political.
> Derek Tonkin > [British Ambassador to Thailand 1986-89]
The rules are that you can't send an Ambassador packing and still expect to maintain diplomatic relations unless his personal conduct is incompatible with diplomatic practice. The Vienna Convention also requires that receiving States (i.e. the US) "shall treat him [a diplomatic agent] with due respect and shall take all appropriate steps to prevent any attack on his person, freedom or dignity" (Article 29). Senator McConnell's personal attack on the Ambassador would thus appear to be a breach of the Convention.
If the US want to show their continuing displeasure with the SPDC, then they should further reduce the status of their Head of Mission, currently a Charge d'Affaires "ad interim" (but in effect "en permanence") to a simple charge des affaires, which is an officer in day-to-day control of the Embassy, and cut the number of US nationals on their Rangoon staff (which I understand is well over 100) by 90% to the level of Burmese nationals in Washington. I am not sure how the Burmese people generally would react to a drastic reduction of US Embassy staff, but my guess is that the vast majority would be supremely indifferent, or if they had a view at all, would shed no tears at the departure of US nationals intent on implementing the current US sanctions regime against them. The only Embassy Departments which the US need maintain are those which are supportive of the Burmese people, including those responsible for narcotics control, humanitarian aid (especially HIV programmes) and human rights.
> You have a good point. Senator Mitch McConnell has been calling such > move based on his personal feeling, I believe.
> In fact, US has already breached international treaty, i.e., WTO > (sanctions against WTO regulations which both US and Burma signed. So > what is the big deal for the US to breach any international rules and > regulations? I personally do not like SPDC at all. But in this case, > Burma is being bullied because Burma is such a small state of which > the US does not have any interest at all except US's support for > DASSK. If the US really wants Burma to be free, then they have to > make an effort for Burma to be under-sieged. Sanctions irrespective > of multilateral or unilateral sanctions will not work for the case of > Burma. Siege is the only way and which is also impossible.
Thanks for sharing some technical implications to diplomatic relationship. You know what comes into my mind?
US maintains a good relationship with ASEAN of which political system ranges from some form of democracy in Philippines/Thailand to soft authoritarian in Malaysia/Singapore to communist in Vietnam. US relationship with Saudi is perfectly fine. There are many other countries who are at the top of violating human rights and practicing non-democratic system. But why US keeps refusing to have a relationship with military junta in Rangoon?
> The rules are that you can't send an Ambassador packing and still expect to > maintain diplomatic relations unless his personal conduct is incompatible > with diplomatic practice. The Vienna Convention also requires that receiving > States (i.e. the US) "shall treat him [a diplomatic agent] with due respect > and shall take all appropriate steps to prevent any attack on his person, > freedom or dignity" (Article 29). Senator McConnell's personal attack on the > Ambassador would thus appear to be a breach of the Convention.
> If the US want to show their continuing displeasure with the SPDC, then they > should further reduce the status of their Head of Mission, currently a > Charge d'Affaires "ad interim" (but in effect "en permanence") to a simple > charge des affaires, which is an officer in day-to-day control of the > Embassy, and cut the number of US nationals on their Rangoon staff (which I > understand is well over 100) by 90% to the level of Burmese nationals in > Washington. I am not sure how the Burmese people generally would react to a > drastic reduction of US Embassy staff, but my guess is that the vast > majority would be supremely indifferent, or if they had a view at all, would > shed no tears at the departure of US nationals intent on implementing the > current US sanctions regime against them. The only Embassy Departments which > the US need maintain are those which are supportive of the Burmese people, > including those responsible for narcotics control, humanitarian aid > (especially HIV programmes) and human rights.
> > You have a good point. Senator Mitch McConnell has been calling such > > move based on his personal feeling, I believe.
> > In fact, US has already breached international treaty, i.e., WTO > > (sanctions against WTO regulations which both US and Burma signed. So > > what is the big deal for the US to breach any international rules and > > regulations? I personally do not like SPDC at all. But in this case, > > Burma is being bullied because Burma is such a small state of which > > the US does not have any interest at all except US's support for > > DASSK. If the US really wants Burma to be free, then they have to > > make an effort for Burma to be under-sieged. Sanctions irrespective > > of multilateral or unilateral sanctions will not work for the case of > > Burma. Siege is the only way and which is also impossible.
There are two basic policies towards Burma - ostracism, practised by the US and EU, and engagement, practised by countries in the Asian-Pacific region. Ostracism is a politically risk free option : the SPDC are baddies, they need to be taught a lesson, so throw them to the wolves. Engagement requires the expenditure of time, resources and political capital. For Burma's neighbours, however, there frankly is no other choice but engagement, simply because Burma is where it is.
In the case of the US, ostracism is attractive because of the forthcoming presidential elections, the domestic political influence of personalities like Senator McConnell, the very low priority accorded to US-Burmese relations and the iconic, charismatic personality of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi who favours strong pressures against the junta. It is against this background that the President can proclaim Burma to be an "extraordinary threat" to the security of the US. But rather like the "threat" from Weapons of Mass Destruction, it is all a figment of the imagination, though needed to justify the renewal of sanctions.
US policy would change, though not overnight, if Daw Suu were to confirm publicly reports of NLD willingness in principle to accept 25% military nominated seats in the Lower and Upper Houses and if the SPDC were to agree to revise the criteria for the Head of State to allow Daw Suu to be eligible for the Presidency. This would require compromise on both sides. There is a window of opportunity created by the National Convention recess. Let us hope the SPDC and the NLD use the recess to talk to each other.
[As for Britain, Sir Winston Churchill commented on page 968 of the 1959 abridged edition of his "History of the Second World War" :
"To this day the Burmese Government's writ runs but incompletely through its territories. They too, however, are a firmly established entity with whom our relations are friendly, and where the long and honourable tradition of British authority and its legacies of justice and order have borne fruit."
Sir Winston had by then mellowed considerably, and forgiven the Burmese leadership for their war-time collaboration with the Japanese.]
That's what I exactly meant and therefore I wrote something related to DASSK's negotiation with military junta some time ago on this forum.
Regarding ostracism engaged by the US, you are right, Burma is not Haiti nor Cuba. U.S, as everyone is aware of, does not have significant interest either in geopolitics or in trade relation at all. At the same time, US also does not have to worry about Burmese refugees around their border.
What I don't understand is about DASSK and NLD. Sometimes I really wonder whether they are negotiating or competing for winner and loser. US foreign policy has been very tough on Burma since DASSK called for sanctions and boycotts in 1995. Before that, I would call it sanctions or ostracism were in symbolic nature.
Of course no democratic government would want any military seats in their parliament. This is common sense. But our case is different. If this military government was willing to handover power to peoples' representative party, we would not even be shot death in 1988 and DASSK would not even be locked up since before general elections. But this military guys do not wish to give up at all for many reasons. They may be wanting to hold onto power, or they may be scared to face with international court like former East-European dictators....it could be any reason. That is why NLD is naturally placed in negotiation position. 25% military + 75% civilian (all in combination with NLD and other parties) is, in my opinion, better than nothing. At least, peoples' representatives will be in parliament, face to face debating for betterment of our nation. At least, peoples' representatives will earn legitimacy. From there, a better change can come gradually. At least Burma will be in run with legitimated bodies. Now Burma has been run under rigid and moderate martial laws. From their point of view, military generals can argue that they do not violate any laws and regulations since the 1974-constitution does not exist anymore.
In terms of constructive engagement pursued by Asian countries, yes...you are right...for one reason, they have no better choice, second reason they are better off since big and giant US firms do not operate in Burma. Asian firms are, as you are aware of, do not truly wish to comply with other international treaties as well. If they are given any opportunity, they will definitely try a way to escape from meeting international norms and standards which might take up their operating costs. For instance, providing health insurance for a Burmese workers, meeting minimum wages for Burmese workers, complying environmental rules and regulations for factories set up in Burma, etc. Having said that, I do not say all US firms and Western firms do follow international norms but for them public opinion is very critical and there are always watch-dog groups hanging around them.
For EU, I think if US comes up with a reason to lift up sanctions, then they might follow U.S way sooner or later. The hostile propagandas against British in Burma can always tone down like the way Ne Win did for Japanese facism. In addition to that, the military government can always use Karens to make better relationship with Britain. The military government can come up with forgiveness to British's broken promise during early post-independent era, i.e., British broke their promises (not to sell weapons to Karens) and Rangoon was almost besiged during the late 1940s.
I hope NLD and DASSK would come up with better solution in their negotiation process.
By the way, I sometimes come up with crazy words to siege Burma and bla bla bla....these nonsense stuff only represents my impatience personal feeling. Forget about all these childish behaviors, please. Sometimes I still want to act like a child....har ha!
> There are two basic policies towards Burma - ostracism, practised by the US > and EU, and engagement, practised by countries in the Asian-Pacific region. > Ostracism is a politically risk free option : the SPDC are baddies, they > need to be taught a lesson, so throw them to the wolves. Engagement requires > the expenditure of time, resources and political capital. For Burma's > neighbours, however, there frankly is no other choice but engagement, simply > because Burma is where it is.
> In the case of the US, ostracism is attractive because of the forthcoming > presidential elections, the domestic political influence of personalities > like Senator McConnell, the very low priority accorded to US-Burmese > relations and the iconic, charismatic personality of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi > who favours strong pressures against the junta. It is against this > background that the President can proclaim Burma to be an "extraordinary > threat" to the security of the US. But rather like the "threat" from Weapons > of Mass Destruction, it is all a figment of the imagination, though needed > to justify the renewal of sanctions.
> US policy would change, though not overnight, if Daw Suu were to confirm > publicly reports of NLD willingness in principle to accept 25% military > nominated seats in the Lower and Upper Houses and if the SPDC were to agree > to revise the criteria for the Head of State to allow Daw Suu to be eligible > for the Presidency. This would require compromise on both sides. There is a > window of opportunity created by the National Convention recess. Let us hope > the SPDC and the NLD use the recess to talk to each other.
> [As for Britain, Sir Winston Churchill commented on page 968 of the 1959 > abridged edition of his "History of the Second World War" :
> "To this day the Burmese Government's writ runs but incompletely through its > territories. They too, however, are a firmly established entity with whom > our relations are friendly, and where the long and honourable tradition of > British authority and its legacies of justice and order have borne fruit."
> Sir Winston had by then mellowed considerably, and forgiven the Burmese > leadership for their war-time collaboration with the Japanese.]
> I hope NLD and DASSK would come up with better solution in their > negotiation process.
> By the way, I sometimes come up with crazy words to siege Burma and > bla bla bla....these nonsense stuff only represents my impatience > personal feeling. Forget about all these childish behaviors, please. > Sometimes I still want to act like a child....har ha!
> Take care and have a good time! > Tide
Thanks you Tide, It clear me up. After reading your "siege" idea, I was rather worried for you.
> propagandas against British in Burma can always tone down like the way > Ne Win did for Japanese facism. In addition to that, the military > government can always use Karens to make better relationship with > Britain. The military government can come up with forgiveness to > British's broken promise during early post-independent era, i.e., > British broke their promises (not to sell weapons to Karens) and > Rangoon was almost besiged during the late 1940s.
I am not too worry about forgiveness and forgetfulness of Burmese people (including SPDC and NLD). We forgive and forget everything too easily. I like it, but we should be careful not everybody is as easily forgeven as us. As soon as the government stop digging up the past, people will forget and forgive straight away.
SPDC will not hand over power to individuals who is fighting against them. Because if they give in to their opponent, it's means they lost. SPDC don't want to become loser. From SPDC point of view, anyone who will hand over poewr from them should be a friend of SPDC (as least neutral). Is this too much to asked? US hand over Iraqi sovereignty to friendlu Iraqi, not to the iraqi who are fighting against them. SPDC will die fighting rather than hand over the power and their lives to the very people who fighting against them.
DASSK and her NLD have moral high ground. They are too clean (because they have not done a thing yet). The whole world backed them. Every body love them. This make them very inflexible. To become a business partaner and friend of dirty SPDC is a "MORAL impossibility" for NLD and DASSK. They rather stay in jail than seeing collaborate with SPDC. For NLD and pro-democracy groups Collaborating or befriending or sympathizing with SPDC means sold out to evil.
So...they keep fighting for now. What is next? The world is enjoying the Burma struggle just like they enjoy hollywood movies. Ofcourse every viewer want to see the good guys wind over the evil one. But for them Burma is just another interesting show, nothing more. Burma struggle is just a show to them, because our economy is too small, we have no oil, no nukes and no many asylum seekers to their shore from Burma.
I am blamaing nobody. I just wish every one (inclucing SPDC and NLD) to succeed with whatever they are doing, as long as they are not trying to harm others.