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The following post is from another thread:
In article <087e07fd-347b-44e3...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>> In article <e591b569-4c76-4fd1-9e71-05c2a6601...@ih8g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
>> =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>> In article <d132f20f-a8ac-4f52-a070-3f5330b2b...@m4g2000vbc.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
>>> com>,
>>>> =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 22 2011, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>> In article <203a74e1-53d5-462d-b9f4-ed0a00b00...@t36g2000prt.goog=
> legr=3D
>>> oups=3D3D
>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>> =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>>>> In article <1e22b683-0423-4401-a0f1-e03520440...@q11g2000vbq.=
> goog=3D
>>> legr=3D3D
>>>>> oups=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By binning Einstein and banning Gandhi, we regain s=
> anit=3D
>>> y an=3D3D
>>>>> d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prosperity.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then why are you responding to my posts, or even Zinnic'=
> s fo=3D
>>> r th=3D3D
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To acknowledge the fact that idiots and idliots do exist.
>>
>>>>>>>>> - very abusive ratshit from the quotay deleted, for health =
> reas=3D
>>> ons =3D3D
>>>>> -
>>
>>>>>>>>> Unlike idiots, idliots turn out to be ultra-abusive pricks.=
> =3D3D=3D
>>> 3DA0As
>>>>>>>>> evidenced by the foul stench from the foul-mouthed k-mqw, t=
> hat =3D
>>> cttc
>>>>>>>>> se.
>>
>>>>>>>>> But even these wretches deserve attention for who knows wha=
> t pu=3D
>>> rpos=3D3D
>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> they serve by their existence?
>>
>>>>>>>> They provide the contrast many find essential in learning to
>>>>>>>> distinguish between the desirable and the undesirable.
>>
>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>> But in einsteinian relativity, this distinction is irrelevant -=
> the
>>>>>>> saint and sinner are both equally valid. =3D3DA0Which is the mo=
> st per=3D
>>> niciou=3D3D
>>>>> s
>>>>>>> impact of this slimy and wrong formulation of the ways of the
>>>>>>> universe.
>>>>>>> - Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>>>> Dhanyavaad for your comment. In what you wrote above, do you mean
>>>>>> "valid" as described below?
>>
>>>>>> Excerpt:
>>
>>>>>> In science and statistics, validity has no single agreed definiti=
> on
>>>>>> but generally refers to the extent to which a concept, conclusion=
> or
>>>>>> measurement is well-founded and corresponds accurately to the rea=
> l
>>>>>> world. The word "valid" is derived from the Latin validus, meanin=
> g
>>>>>> strong.
>>
>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity_(statistics)
>>
>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>>> Yes, more or less, in the space of inductive logic.
>>>>> Inductive logic is not final, it is like judging based upon
>>>>> circumstantial evidence and following types.
>>>>> Example: the streets are wet, so it rained. =3DA0This may be correct,
>>>>> but
>>>>> it could also be that a water tanker burst, or the horses peed!
>>>>> Deductive logic is that if it rains, the uncovered streets are wet,
>>>>> they have to be wet. =3DA0There is no way out of deductive logic.
>>>>> My saying that e=3D3D3Dmcc is bollocks is based upon such deductive=
> logic
>>>>> involving the finding of a great but suble bungle involved in the
>>>>> analysis of the experimental results of the MMI experiment, with th=
> e
>>>>> assumption that the Earth moves through aether. =3DA0The Earth is n=
> ot
>>>>> still; it is not the centre of the known or accepted universe. =3DA=
> 0If we
>>>>> allow that the Earth moves, e=3D3D3Dmcc nonsense crashes like a pac=
> k of
>>>>> cards, along with quantum theory (energy moves in small packets e=
> =3D3D3Dh=3D
>>> v,
>>>>> where h is a constant and v is frequency); then more usefully the l=
> aw
>>>>> of conservation is relegated to a special case where internal force=
> s
>>>>> are not present. =3DA0In other words, the whole of modern physics i=
> s
>>>>> thrown out, and a good deal of 19th century classical physics leadi=
> ng
>>>>> to the subject of thermodynamics.
>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>> A classroom scene in my screenplay can benefit from the above text.
>>
>>> Great! =A0Use it by all means.
>>
>>>> Dhanyavaad. Are you back in Australia now?
>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> No, I am in Kolkata. Will be flying to Chennai on 26th and return on
>>> 18 Feb after touring TamilNad, Kerala, (maybe Karnataka) and Rajasthan
>>> with my daughters. I will return to Australia on 8 Mar after also
>>> visiting Jharkhand.
>>
>>
>> That's quite an itinerary considering the diversity that you'll
>> cover. Both Rajasthan and Keral continue to be important among the
>> states where Jyotish education is prominent. Flying tomorrow (26th),
>> you may miss a Republic Day celebration somewhere. I used to go to
>> the parade in Dillee, despite the dusty spectator areas. The VIP
>> section was the worst, go figure. The IAF flypasts at the end would
>> capture everyone's attention.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
> It was wonderful when I first saw it in 1966. That time Shrimati
> Gandhi was the new PM and she looked lovely. I had to get up very
> early with my family in the cold Delhi weather, but it was worth it.
It certainly was, and all the food... not the least addicting among
the fare was "chana jor garam" peddled in newspaper cones. Our group
packed a picnic basket contain several brass tiffin carriers loaded
with poorees, saag, aaloo-matar and the like. A great time was had by
all.
> Had a great day yesterday, the Govt said it would go ahead with a
> pilot scheme but it will take time due to various regulatory and
> bureaucratic measures. Well, well, if the Govt says it will do
> something then sooner or later it will! Being taken seriously, and
> getting a long and patient hearing, is what I personally really
> wanted.
If you have something in writing from the government, then that's
bankable. Game on!
> Now to finish off other issues, such as travelling all over TamilNad,
> Kerala and Rajasthan prior to Jharkhand.
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
Travel on!
PS: I will post this post also under the subject header:
New movie - 'Defend Arindam!'
You had started a thread with that subject header in November or
December last year, and it subsequently became the working title of
my screenplay.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
The following post is from another thread:
In article <087e07fd-347b-44e3...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>> In article <e591b569-4c76-4fd1-9e71-05c2a6601...@ih8g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
>> =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>> In article <d132f20f-a8ac-4f52-a070-3f5330b2b...@m4g2000vbc.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
>>> com>,
>>>> =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 22 2011, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>> In article <203a74e1-53d5-462d-b9f4-ed0a00b00...@t36g2000prt.goog=
> legr=3D
>>> oups=3D3D
>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>> =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>>>> In article <1e22b683-0423-4401-a0f1-e03520440...@q11g2000vbq.=
> goog=3D
>>> legr=3D3D
>>>>> oups=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By binning Einstein and banning Gandhi, we regain s=
> anit=3D
>>> y an=3D3D
>>>>> d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prosperity.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then why are you responding to my posts, or even Zinnic'=
> s fo=3D
>>> r th=3D3D
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To acknowledge the fact that idiots and idliots do exist.
>>
>>>>>>>>> - very abusive ratshit from the quotay deleted, for health =
> reas=3D
>>> ons =3D3D
>>>>> -
>>
>>>>>>>>> Unlike idiots, idliots turn out to be ultra-abusive pricks.=
> =3D3D=3D
>>> 3DA0As
>>>>>>>>> evidenced by the foul stench from the foul-mouthed k-mqw, t=
> hat =3D
>>> cttc
>>>>>>>>> se.
>>
>>>>>>>>> But even these wretches deserve attention for who knows wha=
> t pu=3D
>>> rpos=3D3D
>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> they serve by their existence?
>>
>>>>>>>> They provide the contrast many find essential in learning to
>>>>>>>> distinguish between the desirable and the undesirable.
>>
>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>> But in einsteinian relativity, this distinction is irrelevant -=
> the
>>>>>>> saint and sinner are both equally valid. =3D3DA0Which is the mo=
> st per=3D
>>> niciou=3D3D
>>>>> s
>>>>>>> impact of this slimy and wrong formulation of the ways of the
>>>>>>> universe.
>>>>>>> - Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>>>> Dhanyavaad for your comment. In what you wrote above, do you mean
>>>>>> "valid" as described below?
>>
>>>>>> Excerpt:
>>
>>>>>> In science and statistics, validity has no single agreed definiti=
> on
>>>>>> but generally refers to the extent to which a concept, conclusion=
> or
>>>>>> measurement is well-founded and corresponds accurately to the rea=
> l
>>>>>> world. The word "valid" is derived from the Latin validus, meanin=
> g
>>>>>> strong.
>>
>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity_(statistics)
>>
>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>>> Yes, more or less, in the space of inductive logic.
>>>>> Inductive logic is not final, it is like judging based upon
>>>>> circumstantial evidence and following types.
>>>>> Example: the streets are wet, so it rained. =3DA0This may be correct,
>>>>> but
>>>>> it could also be that a water tanker burst, or the horses peed!
>>>>> Deductive logic is that if it rains, the uncovered streets are wet,
>>>>> they have to be wet. =3DA0There is no way out of deductive logic.
>>>>> My saying that e=3D3D3Dmcc is bollocks is based upon such deductive=
> logic
>>>>> involving the finding of a great but suble bungle involved in the
>>>>> analysis of the experimental results of the MMI experiment, with th=
> e
>>>>> assumption that the Earth moves through aether. =3DA0The Earth is n=
> ot
>>>>> still; it is not the centre of the known or accepted universe. =3DA=
> 0If we
>>>>> allow that the Earth moves, e=3D3D3Dmcc nonsense crashes like a pac=
> k of
>>>>> cards, along with quantum theory (energy moves in small packets e=
> =3D3D3Dh=3D
>>> v,
>>>>> where h is a constant and v is frequency); then more usefully the l=
> aw
>>>>> of conservation is relegated to a special case where internal force=
> s
>>>>> are not present. =3DA0In other words, the whole of modern physics i=
> s
>>>>> thrown out, and a good deal of 19th century classical physics leadi=
> ng
>>>>> to the subject of thermodynamics.
>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>> A classroom scene in my screenplay can benefit from the above text.
>>
>>> Great! =A0Use it by all means.
>>
>>>> Dhanyavaad. Are you back in Australia now?
>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> No, I am in Kolkata. Will be flying to Chennai on 26th and return on
>>> 18 Feb after touring TamilNad, Kerala, (maybe Karnataka) and Rajasthan
>>> with my daughters. I will return to Australia on 8 Mar after also
>>> visiting Jharkhand.
>>
>>
>> That's quite an itinerary considering the diversity that you'll
>> cover. Both Rajasthan and Keral continue to be important among the
>> states where Jyotish education is prominent. Flying tomorrow (26th),
>> you may miss a Republic Day celebration somewhere. I used to go to
>> the parade in Dillee, despite the dusty spectator areas. The VIP
>> section was the worst, go figure. The IAF flypasts at the end would
>> capture everyone's attention.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
> It was wonderful when I first saw it in 1966. That time Shrimati
> Gandhi was the new PM and she looked lovely. I had to get up very
> early with my family in the cold Delhi weather, but it was worth it.
It certainly was, and all the food... not the least addicting among
the fare was "chana jor garam" peddled in newspaper cones. Our group
packed a picnic basket contain several brass tiffin carriers loaded
with poorees, saag, aaloo-matar and the like. A great time was had by
all.
> Had a great day yesterday, the Govt said it would go ahead with a
> pilot scheme but it will take time due to various regulatory and
> bureaucratic measures. Well, well, if the Govt says it will do
> something then sooner or later it will! Being taken seriously, and
> getting a long and patient hearing, is what I personally really
> wanted.
If you have something in writing from the government, then that's
bankable. Game on!
> Now to finish off other issues, such as travelling all over TamilNad,
> Kerala and Rajasthan prior to Jharkhand.
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
Travel on!
PS: I will post this post also under the subject header:
New movie - 'Defend Arindam!'
You had started a thread with that subject header in November or
December last year, and it subsequently became the working title of
my screenplay.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Jan 26, 2012, 12:48:49 AM1/26/12
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[ Subject: New movie - Defend Arindam!
[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com>
[ Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:07:20 -0800 (PST)
On Nov 28, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> In article <36bc1230-8a6b-4396-8178-e23b33210...@f30g2000pri.googlegroups..com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>> . . .
>> No one bothers about living gods such as I in these impious days,
>> especially when they exist kala paani paar.
>
>> Evidently I have not annoyed them (the CIA and their operatives) that
>> much. Even though jBm said lots of bad lying things about me, such as
>> I cheated to get my MTech in CS from IIT D and he would do something
>> to annul it; that I am a communist because I was raised in a commune
>> and so all good usans have to hate me; that I and my father are up to
>> some Nigerian scam, etc etc etc. I note with satisfaction that I am
>> still alive and that is for me at any rate no bad thing!
>
>> Cheers,
>> Arindam Banerjee.
>
> You resolve matters well, albeit based mostly on appearances so far.
> That's excellent for the protagonist in the film project that I have
> proposed.
As for the story line, it should be opposite of Kill Bill.
It is like, Defend Arindam (or whoever)
The evil quotays of the earth want to hire professional assassins to
kill Arindam, as he is upsetting everything (all the mendacious
disastrous slimy constructions) with his genius.
But the assassins have their own code. An important piece of code is
that they never kill good people, and never never geniuses.
So instead of killing Arindam, they defend him and instead kill the
quotays after taking their money.
Arindam remains completely oblivious to all this violence, just goes
on his way. Sometimes the quotays want to kill him directly, but he
misses their bullets, knives, poison pills etc by chance or his
defending (female) angel/s get their way first.
So perish all Einsteinians etc. and the world becomes a better place
as a result. People make IFEs, HTNs and there is much happiness all
around.
I think, it should be a superhit!
I could furnish some lyrics.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
End of the post from Arindam Banerjee
[ Subject: New movie - Defend Arindam!
[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com>
[ Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:07:20 -0800 (PST)
On Nov 28, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> In article <36bc1230-8a6b-4396-8178-e23b33210...@f30g2000pri.googlegroups..com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>> . . .
>> No one bothers about living gods such as I in these impious days,
>> especially when they exist kala paani paar.
>
>> Evidently I have not annoyed them (the CIA and their operatives) that
>> much. Even though jBm said lots of bad lying things about me, such as
>> I cheated to get my MTech in CS from IIT D and he would do something
>> to annul it; that I am a communist because I was raised in a commune
>> and so all good usans have to hate me; that I and my father are up to
>> some Nigerian scam, etc etc etc. I note with satisfaction that I am
>> still alive and that is for me at any rate no bad thing!
>
>> Cheers,
>> Arindam Banerjee.
>
> You resolve matters well, albeit based mostly on appearances so far.
> That's excellent for the protagonist in the film project that I have
> proposed.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
Wow. At least at the conceptual plane, this is taking off.
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
As for the story line, it should be opposite of Kill Bill.
It is like, Defend Arindam (or whoever)
The evil quotays of the earth want to hire professional assassins to
kill Arindam, as he is upsetting everything (all the mendacious
disastrous slimy constructions) with his genius.
But the assassins have their own code. An important piece of code is
that they never kill good people, and never never geniuses.
So instead of killing Arindam, they defend him and instead kill the
quotays after taking their money.
Arindam remains completely oblivious to all this violence, just goes
on his way. Sometimes the quotays want to kill him directly, but he
misses their bullets, knives, poison pills etc by chance or his
defending (female) angel/s get their way first.
So perish all Einsteinians etc. and the world becomes a better place
as a result. People make IFEs, HTNs and there is much happiness all
around.
I think, it should be a superhit!
I could furnish some lyrics.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
End of the post from Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Jan 26, 2012, 3:34:40 PM1/26/12
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and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Feb 1, 2012, 2:41:41 PM2/1/12
to
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <d5ed1d96-af67-41f4...@y5g2000pbk.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Jan 30, 11:57=A0am, ramesh kumar <rameshadvo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 26, Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>>> =A0In article <087e07fd-347b-44e3-abe8-1a3725822...@rk3g2000pbb.googleg=
> roups.com>,
>>> =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>> In article <e591b569-4c76-4fd1-9e71-05c2a6601...@ih8g2000pbc.google=
> groups=3D
>>>> ..com>,
>>>>> =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>>> In article <d132f20f-a8ac-4f52-a070-3f5330b2b...@m4g2000vbc.goo=
> glegro=3D
>>>> ups.=3D3D
>>>>>>>> On Dec 22 2011, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <203a74e1-53d5-462d-b9f4-ed0a00b00...@t36g2000pr=
> t.goog=3D
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <1e22b683-0423-4401-a0f1-e03520440...@q11g20=
> 00vbq.=3D
>>>> goog=3D3D
>>>>>> legr=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> oups=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> post=
> ed:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By binning Einstein and banning Gandhi, we re=
> gain s=3D
>>>> anit=3D3D
>>>>>> y an=3D3D3D
> innic'=3D
>>>> s fo=3D3D
>>>>>> r th=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To acknowledge the fact that idiots and idliots do =
> exist.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - very abusive ratshit from the quotay deleted, for h=
> ealth =3D
>>>> reas=3D3D
>>>>>> ons =3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> -
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike idiots, idliots turn out to be ultra-abusive p=
> ricks.=3D
>>>> =A0=3D3D3D=3D3D
>>>>>> 3DA0As
>>>>>>>>>>>> evidenced by the foul stench from the foul-mouthed k-=
> mqw, t=3D
>>>> hat =3D3D
>>>>>> cttc
>>>>>>>>>>>> se.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But even these wretches deserve attention for who kno=
> ws wha=3D
>>>> t pu=3D3D
>>>>>> rpos=3D3D3D
> vant -=3D
>>>> =A0the
>>>>>>>>>> saint and sinner are both equally valid. =3D3D3DA0Which i=
> s the mo=3D
>>>> st per=3D3D
>>>>>> niciou=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> s
>>>>>>>>>> impact of this slimy and wrong formulation of the ways of=
> finiti=3D
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> but generally refers to the extent to which a concept, conc=
> lusion=3D
>>>> =A0or
>>>>>>>>> measurement is well-founded and corresponds accurately to t=
> he rea=3D
>>>> l
>>>>>>>>> world. The word "valid" is derived from the Latin validus, =
> meanin=3D
>>>> g
>>>>>>>>> strong.
>>
>>>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity_(statistics)
> e correc=3D
>>>> t, but
>>>>>>>> it could also be that a water tanker burst, or the horses pee=
> d!
>>>>>>>> Deductive logic is that if it rains, the uncovered streets ar=
> e wet,
>>>>>>>> they have to be wet. =3D3DA0There is no way out of deductive =
> logic.
>>>>>>>> My saying that e=3D3D3D3Dmcc is bollocks is based upon such d=
> eductive=3D
>>>> =A0logic
>>>>>>>> involving the finding of a great but suble bungle involved in=
> the
>>>>>>>> analysis of the experimental results of the MMI experiment, w=
> ith th=3D
>>>> e
>>>>>>>> assumption that the Earth moves through aether. =3D3DA0The Ea=
> rth is n=3D
>>>> ot
>>>>>>>> still; it is not the centre of the known or accepted universe=
> .. =3D3DA=3D
>>>> 0If we
>>>>>>>> allow that the Earth moves, e=3D3D3D3Dmcc nonsense crashes li=
> ke a pac=3D
>>>> k of
>>>>>>>> cards, along with quantum theory (energy moves in small packe=
> ts e=3D
>>>> =3D3D3D3Dh=3D3D
>>>>>> v,
>>>>>>>> where h is a constant and v is frequency); then more usefully=
> the l=3D
>>>> aw
>>>>>>>> of conservation is relegated to a special case where internal=
> force=3D
>>>> s
>>>>>>>> are not present. =3D3DA0In other words, the whole of modern p=
> hysics i=3D
>>>> s
>>>>>>>> thrown out, and a good deal of 19th century classical physics=
> leadi=3D
> ext.
>>
>>>>>> Great! =3DA0Use it by all means.
> on
>>>>>> 18 Feb after touring TamilNad, Kerala, (maybe Karnataka) and Raja=
>>>> something then sooner or later it will! =A0Being taken seriously, and
>> needed to be sorted out before the project is on. =A0But they have given
>> great verbal appreciation, from the political and bureaucratic side
>> thus I am hopeful it will get going one day.
>> I have a meeting with top people after I return from my tour. =A0Now in
>> Madurai, just opposite the gopuram of the Meenakshi mandir. =A0Will take
>> a day trip to deep South tomorrow, before touring Kerala. =A0Yesterday I
>> was in Pondicherry, saw Auroville etc and before that Mahabalipuram.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Arindam Banerjee
>>> screenplay.
> Got dowsed in Rameswaram yesterday from 22 kunds, all sins cleansed!
>
> Hope this now comes as a post with my name, weird things happen in
> internet cafes.
>
> Best of luck with the movie.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
About your "sin cleansing" in the kunds -- I too have completed the
traditional teerth yatras several times since childhood; what paap
haven't been "cleansed" shall be treated appropriately in this birth
and those in the future according to karmic law.
You are using Internet cafes -- if one's home computer is left on,
one could log on to it from a cafe and then venture out into the
online world. Some claim that this is a more secure option for
certain things.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Jan 30, 11:57=A0am, ramesh kumar <rameshadvo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 26, Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>>> =A0In article <087e07fd-347b-44e3-abe8-1a3725822...@rk3g2000pbb.googleg=
> roups.com>,
>>> =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>> In article <e591b569-4c76-4fd1-9e71-05c2a6601...@ih8g2000pbc.google=
> groups=3D
>>>> ..com>,
>>>>> =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>>> In article <d132f20f-a8ac-4f52-a070-3f5330b2b...@m4g2000vbc.goo=
> glegro=3D
>>>> ups.=3D3D
>>>>>>>> On Dec 22 2011, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <203a74e1-53d5-462d-b9f4-ed0a00b00...@t36g2000pr=
> t.goog=3D
>>>> legr=3D3D
>>>>>> oups=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>>>>> oups=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <1e22b683-0423-4401-a0f1-e03520440...@q11g20=
> 00vbq.=3D
>>>> goog=3D3D
>>>>>> legr=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> oups=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> ..com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> post=
> ed:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By binning Einstein and banning Gandhi, we re=
> gain s=3D
>>>> anit=3D3D
>>>>>> y an=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prosperity.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then why are you responding to my posts, or even Z=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prosperity.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
> innic'=3D
>>>> s fo=3D3D
>>>>>> r th=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To acknowledge the fact that idiots and idliots do =
> exist.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - very abusive ratshit from the quotay deleted, for h=
> ealth =3D
>>>> reas=3D3D
>>>>>> ons =3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> -
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike idiots, idliots turn out to be ultra-abusive p=
> ricks.=3D
>>>> =A0=3D3D3D=3D3D
>>>>>> 3DA0As
>>>>>>>>>>>> evidenced by the foul stench from the foul-mouthed k-=
> mqw, t=3D
>>>> hat =3D3D
>>>>>> cttc
>>>>>>>>>>>> se.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But even these wretches deserve attention for who kno=
> ws wha=3D
>>>> t pu=3D3D
>>>>>> rpos=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>>>>> they serve by their existence?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They provide the contrast many find essential in learni=
>>>>>>>>>>>> they serve by their existence?
>>
> ng to
>>>>>>>>>>> distinguish between the desirable and the undesirable.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> distinguish between the desirable and the undesirable.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>>>> But in einsteinian relativity, this distinction is irrele=
>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
> vant -=3D
>>>> =A0the
>>>>>>>>>> saint and sinner are both equally valid. =3D3D3DA0Which i=
> s the mo=3D
>>>> st per=3D3D
>>>>>> niciou=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> s
>>>>>>>>>> impact of this slimy and wrong formulation of the ways of=
> the
>>>>>>>>>> universe.
>>>>>>>>>> - Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>>>>>>> Dhanyavaad for your comment. In what you wrote above, do yo=
>>>>>>>>>> universe.
>>>>>>>>>> - Arindam Banerjee
>>
> u mean
>>>>>>>>> "valid" as described below?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Excerpt:
>>
>>>>>>>>> In science and statistics, validity has no single agreed de=
>>>>>>>>> "valid" as described below?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Excerpt:
>>
> finiti=3D
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> but generally refers to the extent to which a concept, conc=
> lusion=3D
>>>> =A0or
>>>>>>>>> measurement is well-founded and corresponds accurately to t=
> he rea=3D
>>>> l
>>>>>>>>> world. The word "valid" is derived from the Latin validus, =
> meanin=3D
>>>> g
>>>>>>>>> strong.
>>
>>>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity_(statistics)
>>
>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, more or less, in the space of inductive logic.
>>>>>>>> Inductive logic is not final, it is like judging based upon
>>>>>>>> circumstantial evidence and following types.
>>>>>>>> Example: the streets are wet, so it rained. =3D3DA0This may b=
>>>>>>>> Inductive logic is not final, it is like judging based upon
>>>>>>>> circumstantial evidence and following types.
> e correc=3D
>>>> t, but
>>>>>>>> it could also be that a water tanker burst, or the horses pee=
> d!
>>>>>>>> Deductive logic is that if it rains, the uncovered streets ar=
> e wet,
>>>>>>>> they have to be wet. =3D3DA0There is no way out of deductive =
> logic.
>>>>>>>> My saying that e=3D3D3D3Dmcc is bollocks is based upon such d=
> eductive=3D
>>>> =A0logic
>>>>>>>> involving the finding of a great but suble bungle involved in=
> the
>>>>>>>> analysis of the experimental results of the MMI experiment, w=
> ith th=3D
>>>> e
>>>>>>>> assumption that the Earth moves through aether. =3D3DA0The Ea=
> rth is n=3D
>>>> ot
>>>>>>>> still; it is not the centre of the known or accepted universe=
> .. =3D3DA=3D
>>>> 0If we
>>>>>>>> allow that the Earth moves, e=3D3D3D3Dmcc nonsense crashes li=
> ke a pac=3D
>>>> k of
>>>>>>>> cards, along with quantum theory (energy moves in small packe=
> ts e=3D
>>>> =3D3D3D3Dh=3D3D
>>>>>> v,
>>>>>>>> where h is a constant and v is frequency); then more usefully=
> the l=3D
>>>> aw
>>>>>>>> of conservation is relegated to a special case where internal=
> force=3D
>>>> s
>>>>>>>> are not present. =3D3DA0In other words, the whole of modern p=
> hysics i=3D
>>>> s
>>>>>>>> thrown out, and a good deal of 19th century classical physics=
> leadi=3D
>>>> ng
>>>>>>>> to the subject of thermodynamics.
>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>>>>> A classroom scene in my screenplay can benefit from the above t=
>>>>>>>> to the subject of thermodynamics.
>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
> ext.
>>
>>>>>> Great! =3DA0Use it by all means.
>>
>>>>>>> Dhanyavaad. Are you back in Australia now?
>>
>>>>>>> Dhanyavaad. Are you back in Australia now?
>>
>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>>>> No, I am in Kolkata. Will be flying to Chennai on 26th and return=
>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
> on
>>>>>> 18 Feb after touring TamilNad, Kerala, (maybe Karnataka) and Raja=
> sthan
>>>>>> with my daughters. I will return to Australia on 8 Mar after also
>>>>>> visiting Jharkhand.
>>
>>>>> That's quite an itinerary considering the diversity that you'll
>>>>> cover. Both Rajasthan and Keral continue to be important among the
>>>>> states where Jyotish education is prominent. Flying tomorrow (26th)=
>>>>>> with my daughters. I will return to Australia on 8 Mar after also
>>>>>> visiting Jharkhand.
>>
>>>>> That's quite an itinerary considering the diversity that you'll
>>>>> cover. Both Rajasthan and Keral continue to be important among the
> ,
>>>>> you may miss a Republic Day celebration somewhere. I used to go to
>>>>> the parade in Dillee, despite the dusty spectator areas. The VIP
>>>>> section was the worst, go figure. The IAF flypasts at the end would
>>>>> capture everyone's attention.
>>
>>>>> you may miss a Republic Day celebration somewhere. I used to go to
>>>>> the parade in Dillee, despite the dusty spectator areas. The VIP
>>>>> section was the worst, go figure. The IAF flypasts at the end would
>>>>> capture everyone's attention.
>>
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>> It was wonderful when I first saw it in 1966. =A0That time Shrimati
>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>> Gandhi was the new PM and she looked lovely. I had to get up very
>>>> early with my family in the cold Delhi weather, but it was worth it.
>>
>>> It certainly was, and all the food... not the least addicting among
>>> the fare was "chana jor garam" peddled in newspaper cones. Our group
>>> packed a picnic basket contain several brass tiffin carriers loaded
>>> with poorees, saag, aaloo-matar and the like. A great time was had by
>>> all.
>>
>>>> Had a great day yesterday, the Govt said it would go ahead with a
>>>> pilot scheme but it will take time due to various regulatory and
>>>> bureaucratic measures. =A0Well, well, if the Govt says it will do
>>>> early with my family in the cold Delhi weather, but it was worth it.
>>
>>> It certainly was, and all the food... not the least addicting among
>>> the fare was "chana jor garam" peddled in newspaper cones. Our group
>>> packed a picnic basket contain several brass tiffin carriers loaded
>>> with poorees, saag, aaloo-matar and the like. A great time was had by
>>> all.
>>
>>>> Had a great day yesterday, the Govt said it would go ahead with a
>>>> pilot scheme but it will take time due to various regulatory and
>>>> something then sooner or later it will! =A0Being taken seriously, and
>>>> getting a long and patient hearing, is what I personally really
>>>> wanted.
>>
>>> If you have something in writing from the government, then that's
>>> bankable. Game on!
>>
>> There are regulatory and bureaucratic issues from engineering, that
>>>> wanted.
>>
>>> If you have something in writing from the government, then that's
>>> bankable. Game on!
>>
>> needed to be sorted out before the project is on. =A0But they have given
>> great verbal appreciation, from the political and bureaucratic side
>> thus I am hopeful it will get going one day.
>> I have a meeting with top people after I return from my tour. =A0Now in
>> Madurai, just opposite the gopuram of the Meenakshi mandir. =A0Will take
>> a day trip to deep South tomorrow, before touring Kerala. =A0Yesterday I
>> was in Pondicherry, saw Auroville etc and before that Mahabalipuram.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>>> Now to finish off other issues, such as travelling all over TamilNad,
>>>> Kerala and Rajasthan prior to Jharkhand.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>> Travel on!
>>
>>> PS: I will post this post also under the subject header:
>>
>>> New movie - 'Defend Arindam!'
>>
>>> You had started a thread with that subject header in November or
>>> December last year. It subsequently became the *working title* of my
>>>> Now to finish off other issues, such as travelling all over TamilNad,
>>>> Kerala and Rajasthan prior to Jharkhand.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>> Travel on!
>>
>>> PS: I will post this post also under the subject header:
>>
>>> New movie - 'Defend Arindam!'
>>
>>> You had started a thread with that subject header in November or
>>> screenplay.
>>>
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
> Thanks. Now in Verkala,Kerala,about to go for a swim with the girls.
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
> Got dowsed in Rameswaram yesterday from 22 kunds, all sins cleansed!
>
> Hope this now comes as a post with my name, weird things happen in
> internet cafes.
>
> Best of luck with the movie.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
About your "sin cleansing" in the kunds -- I too have completed the
traditional teerth yatras several times since childhood; what paap
haven't been "cleansed" shall be treated appropriately in this birth
and those in the future according to karmic law.
You are using Internet cafes -- if one's home computer is left on,
one could log on to it from a cafe and then venture out into the
online world. Some claim that this is a more secure option for
certain things.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Feb 5, 2012, 11:32:04 PM2/5/12
to
In article <a1b3b293-ff6c-4cb3...@vh10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>.
>> In article <8949a831-2679-4e25-ac53-8db441366...@n7g2000pbd.googlegroups.=
> com>,
>> =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>> In article <847bd803-1482-414e-bbc6-49dd94413...@y5g2000pbk.googlegroup=s.com>,
>>> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>
>>>>> You will be interested to know that the movie idea I have been
>>>>> talking about here will be pitched at a post-Oscar gathering next
>>>>> month!
>>>> from the powers that be and ridicule from such net.assholes.perverts
>>>> as the k-mqw, the cttc se etc. I have been asked to give a
>>>> presentation to a top IAS official in the power sector here. =3DA0Am
>>>> preparing for that, let us see what happens tomorrow! =3DA0They have
>>>> gone
>>>> through the docs I gave them earlier. =3DA0Let us see how powerful the
>>>> scope of deductive logic is, in the topmost elite circles.
>>
>>> Will the presentation be recorded? If so, needless to say, the record
>>> would be quite valuable.
>>
>> It was a powerpoint presentation, given in hard copies and soft copies
>> via email. I am sure the record is valuable, for there were follow up
>> discussions where I presented other new ideas, related to the
>> project. =A0Let us see what happens, after I meet the officials after my
>> tour of Rajasthan.
>>
>>>> One theory for the evils of the modern world is that the psychopaths
>>>> have taken over the reins of power, this starting with the crappy
>>>> work
>>>> of one Ayn Rand who as a hero had an egotistic architect and rapist.
>>>> This work was very influential, and bred a whole generation of
>>>> psychotic CEOs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>> The pathology of the times, of this age, can be adequately described
>>> by just one word: Kalyug.
>> quotays that is, last longer.
>>
>> By "quotays" do you refer to those who rise not because of talent and
>> skill but through the quota-reservations regime?
> corruption of the democratic process, involving chicanery, whining,
> bullying, lying etc.. As there are always more unworthy and
> unscrupulous people than worthy and scrupulous people, these guys can
> come to power in a political environment where merit has no merit. On
> the other hand, being incompetent, they can create only rubbish, no
> good at all on their own, and so try their best to exploit whatever
> talent comes under their paws. They use abusive measures for this.
> So, those who can only abuse, lie, bluster, bully, ignore, neglect,
> having no talent of their own, only power obtained from a corruption
> of the media and political process, are the quotays.
>
> The reservations scheme has brought mixed luck to India. I am not
> against those who are beneficiaries if they are really talented but
> subdued for whatever reason. There may have been good grounds once
> upon a time, but surely that time has gone a long time ago. I as sure
> this reservations scheme should be abolished as soon as possible - its
> continuation for political gain only makes things worse for India and
> Indians, as it keeps every debate politicised on social grounds, and
> definitely drives merit out of India to wherever, leaving the quotays
> in total command, exerting their whips upon those talented who could
> not escape. The uncontrollable rubbish and apathy, all too evident
> everywhere is the ultimate result of having quotays in power.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
I recall the IIT years when the government had quotas set up for
admitting otherwise unqualified students from certain Gulf countries,
the so-called Trucial States. There was this student, for instance,
who remained poor in most subjects throughout the five years, was
promoted only because of the quota system and eventually awarded a
B.Tech. I wonder about how many bridges and buildings have collapsed
because of his work or if he even lasted in an engineering job.
>> In article <8949a831-2679-4e25-ac53-8db441366...@n7g2000pbd.googlegroups.=
> com>,
>> =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>> In article <847bd803-1482-414e-bbc6-49dd94413...@y5g2000pbk.googlegroup=s.com>,
>>> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>>
>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>
>>>>> You will be interested to know that the movie idea I have been
>>>>> talking about here will be pitched at a post-Oscar gathering next
>>>>> month!
>>
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>> Well, things are hotting up here as well. After many years of neglect
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>>> from the powers that be and ridicule from such net.assholes.perverts
>>>> as the k-mqw, the cttc se etc. I have been asked to give a
>>>> presentation to a top IAS official in the power sector here. =3DA0Am
>>>> preparing for that, let us see what happens tomorrow! =3DA0They have
>>>> gone
>>>> through the docs I gave them earlier. =3DA0Let us see how powerful the
>>>> scope of deductive logic is, in the topmost elite circles.
>>
>>> Will the presentation be recorded? If so, needless to say, the record
>>> would be quite valuable.
>>
>> It was a powerpoint presentation, given in hard copies and soft copies
>> via email. I am sure the record is valuable, for there were follow up
>> discussions where I presented other new ideas, related to the
>> project. =A0Let us see what happens, after I meet the officials after my
>> tour of Rajasthan.
>>
>>>> One theory for the evils of the modern world is that the psychopaths
>>>> have taken over the reins of power, this starting with the crappy
>>>> work
>>>> of one Ayn Rand who as a hero had an egotistic architect and rapist.
>>>> This work was very influential, and bred a whole generation of
>>>> psychotic CEOs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>
>>> The pathology of the times, of this age, can be adequately described
>>> by just one word: Kalyug.
>>
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
>>
>> Indeed, but that won't last for ever. =A0Golden ages, free from evil
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
>>
>> quotays that is, last longer.
>>
>> By "quotays" do you refer to those who rise not because of talent and
>> skill but through the quota-reservations regime?
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
> I mean unworthy people who are in power by ousting worthy people, with
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
> corruption of the democratic process, involving chicanery, whining,
> bullying, lying etc.. As there are always more unworthy and
> unscrupulous people than worthy and scrupulous people, these guys can
> come to power in a political environment where merit has no merit. On
> the other hand, being incompetent, they can create only rubbish, no
> good at all on their own, and so try their best to exploit whatever
> talent comes under their paws. They use abusive measures for this.
> So, those who can only abuse, lie, bluster, bully, ignore, neglect,
> having no talent of their own, only power obtained from a corruption
> of the media and political process, are the quotays.
>
> The reservations scheme has brought mixed luck to India. I am not
> against those who are beneficiaries if they are really talented but
> subdued for whatever reason. There may have been good grounds once
> upon a time, but surely that time has gone a long time ago. I as sure
> this reservations scheme should be abolished as soon as possible - its
> continuation for political gain only makes things worse for India and
> Indians, as it keeps every debate politicised on social grounds, and
> definitely drives merit out of India to wherever, leaving the quotays
> in total command, exerting their whips upon those talented who could
> not escape. The uncontrollable rubbish and apathy, all too evident
> everywhere is the ultimate result of having quotays in power.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
I recall the IIT years when the government had quotas set up for
admitting otherwise unqualified students from certain Gulf countries,
the so-called Trucial States. There was this student, for instance,
who remained poor in most subjects throughout the five years, was
promoted only because of the quota system and eventually awarded a
B.Tech. I wonder about how many bridges and buildings have collapsed
because of his work or if he even lasted in an engineering job.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Feb 23, 2012, 1:37:48 AM2/23/12
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Forwarded post:
[ Subject: PT?+3: Death in Ghaziabad - 1
[ From: "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.indian
[ Organization: ADDA
[ Message-ID: <01be3b51$2ed42f40$3cd0868b@adda>
[ Date: January 8, 1999
Picaresque tales of an Indian publicsectorman - ?+3
Death in Ghaziabad - 1
Arindam Banerjee
(All rights reserved)
Melbourne, January 1999
Death could come to you easily in Ghaziabad. I first saw death when
the bus came to a sudden jolt. With sudden rush the occupants of
the left side came to the right. I had a clear view from my window.
It was of a young man in pajamas lying curiously still on the road.
He had evidently been hit and left for dead. A small crowd had
gathered. Some stones had been put around the corpse - it was not
that of a dog, after all. Our driver was pragmatic. He did not
stop. I do not know who did the needful, and how. Something was
surely done with the body, for it was not there when I returned to
the site an hour later. What was striking about this incident was
that it made not even the slightest change in the local surroundings.
Things went on as if the accident had never happened.
No ambulances would ever rush with screeching sirens in Ghaziabad,
for there were not any. There was no sign of any authority, not any
that one could see. The traffic policeman would stand helplessly at
the crossing in front of the "Ghantaghar", or clock tower building.
There were traffic lights at the crossing, and they even worked at
times. But they could never regulate the traffic. There was a
police outpost, on the road to the station. The policemen had no
cars or telephones or guns, and it is doubtful if they even had
paper. They had only sticks and bicycles.
Anarchy, then, was the normal state in Ghaziabad. My neighbours
relished the telling of ghastly stories, and they apparently believed
what they said and heard. Probably they were all highly exaggerated.
Once the shop near the room I lived in was robbed. The little boy
who worked there came running to me in fear. From what could be made
out, there had been extensive murder and mayhem. I went to
investigate. The miscreants had by that time decamped. No one had
been hurt, but some money was taken. That was the only time the shop
was robbed, in my three years of stay in Modeltown, Ghaziabad. It
was the only noteworthy shop of its kind in the entire area.
Western ways did show themselves in Ghaziabad, most noticeably in the
District Court near my lodging. Lawyers in black coats thronged like
flies, over the ramshackle wooden furniture inside and outside the
tents around the decaying Court buildings. They did not inspire
respect upon first sight. Later on, I would come to know how
thorough and professional they were at their work. As I now see it,
they form the only chance of establishing order among the surrounding
chaos.
What was I doing in Ghaziabad? That was a question which puzzled my
friend, colleague and mentor Shordar Bigaru Singh. What was one of
my kind doing in Ghaziabad? I should be studying in the United
States, with the intention of bringing back technical knowledge to
India, as indeed a few did.
I was dying in Ghaziabad. Much later would I know exactly how and
what about me was dying there.
How was I dying? It is difficult to explain. I had no physical
disease. My job as an antenna development engineer, which often
entailed continuous 15 hour schedules and long field trips, was
difficult and demanding. But I liked my work, even though I knew it
would lead me nowhere.
I was in Ghaziabad because I wanted to understand certain things,
such as exactly why we Indians were so, so, poor and others were so
rich. Books and articles from learned people taught me nothing. I
intuited that analyses from foreign writers were wrong or shallow.
Indian writers of the kind one read in the English language merely
parroted them. My own childhood and youth had been far too golden.
I always had the best of everything, and so knew nothing at all. I
had to find out the answers for myself, and for that, I had to live
by myself among Indians of the kind not paid by the public. I knew I
could never be contented otherwise.
Ghaziabad was killing me slowly. With every passing day, I knew I
was becoming less and less of the person I was when I graduated. I
was losing my academic skills and my chances of a career abroad or
even in a lucrative private sector job in India. I should have at
least been doing an MBA! From being the apple of everyone's eye I
had become a complete non-entity.
And what was I gaining? As far as I could see, nothing. I would
walk alone on the dusty roads of Ghaziabad, seeking answers, but
answers - they eluded me. The local people would look upon me with
indifference, as if to say they had seen many such as I before. Only
money talked in Ghaziabad, and then only if you showed it by huge
high-walled houses, cars and servants. Anyone who think that Indians
care about spirituality and intellect should live in Ghaziabad.
There was no Hindu temple that I could find, nor a single book-shop
that sold anything other than textbooks. There were, on the other
hand, plenty of furniture shops and "Angrezi" liquor shops.
Death would come more quickly if I frequented the liquor shops. But
I did not care for drink, unless it was lassi, the kind you got in
just that one shop in that narrow street. When the overpowering
heat seemed to dry your very blood, that was just what was needed to
live, and continue your questioning.
Death could come even more quickly if you dared to change the
established state of affaris. Once boredom and curiosity took me to a
late night movie show. I saw a strange sight. Outside the window
for the cheapest seats, there was a queue of people cowering like so
many dumb animals, each with both hands upon the shoulders of the man
before him. Maintaining order was a person in a three-piece suit,
marching up and down with a whip in his hand. I wanted to do
something, but I did not know what to do. I had been warned by a
well-wisher never to interfere in local matters. "If you wish to
survive here, just mind your own business. When you have to deal
with these people, put on your best behaviour, be very polite.
Unused to such, they will be taken aback and that'll be your best
chance of getting what you want." I once forgot this advice, and
spoke my mind to a furniture shop-owner in Panchkuin Road, Delhi.
The man assaulted me!
Yes, I was dying. Ghaziabad was killing me in every way. My
ambitions and dreams were fading in the distance. All that could be
seen, all that could be sensed, were callousness, selfishness and
greed. The fruit sellers would sneer if you asked for just one kilo
- you would not dare ask for half! "Do kilo lay jao, ji!". The
local shopkeeper, I saw, would swipe a slice or two of a loaf of
sliced bread if he sold in halves. The merchants delighted in
shaming you into buying more expensive stuff. If you had no money
you were nothing. Your talents did not matter. Nor did your health,
youth or appearance. What did matter was clothes, for they showed
how much money you could spend. Tailoring shops abounded in
Ghaziabad.
What did people do in Ghaziabad? There were no public libraries, no
gymnasiums, no clubs. No one seemed to have hobbies of any kind.
There were no animated roadside discussions, as I had seen and taken
part in Ranchi and Calcutta. There were no signs of romance
whatsoever - I never saw any boy with any girl; for that matter,
hardly ever any married man alone in public with his wife. While
there were plenty of liquor shops, there was just one ramshackle
"public house" selling country liquor next to the fishmongers' area.
People did not play anything, nor did they seem to take any exercise.
Girls did not play music, nor sing, nor paint. The boys - especially
the well-dressed ones - seemed not to know what to do. They aimlessly
roamed around in small groups on motorcycles and scooters, showing
off the latest fashions favored by film heroes.
Waves of apathy rolled on all sides. Everything seemed so pointless,
so meaningless. Life dragged on in slow reluctant ways. If people
moved, they moved slowly. It seemed enough to live on for yet
another day. Nothing would change. Attitudes were firmly fixed. Or
so I thought, as the following Arjuna's song from Tagore's
Chitrangada would play in my head with increasing frequency -
Disquiet profound haunts me today, o how my body burns! Cruel arrows
pierce the heart, drenched am I with pain. Mirages dance before my
eyes, fires blaze in my breast. This garland of welcome is threaded
with the thread of death.
Known horizons fade before the shadow lands of dreams That vanish as
vanish the coloured palasa leaves of autumn. This journey is without
purpose; I am given to losing my way. In this strange new land I must
now die!
My parents came for a visit. And suddenly things changed. Within a
few days they managed to make friends with all the people around us.
My father with the men, and my mother with the women. The Great
Gango (of whose lordliness I wrote about some years ago) quite
instantly became like someone I had known my whole life. Chachaji
started looking genuinely more avuncular, and less like an avaricious
landlord, as my father and he exchanged notes. Other younger men
around, following his lead, became more considerate. The elderly
lady next door said unpleasant things about her daughter-in-law, who
had "captured" her doted son. She had had to dissimulate to her
relatives in Punjab, to hear them say, "Tu yea kali larki laanay
itinee dure gayi thee!" (Did you have to go so far to get this black
girl?) The daughter-in-law did not endear herself to my mother, for
she praised her husband in extravagant terms: "He is almost as tall,
and more handsome than your son." Chachiji however remained aloof,
as became any self-respecting landlady with respect to mere tenants.
Everything started to appear in a different light. All of a sudden
everyone around seemed to take an interest in me. "Why did your son
not ever talk to us?" was the question heard from all sides. "Why is
he so aloof, so reserved?" It appeared that they too wanted answers
about myself, as eagerly as I did about them. My parents apologized;
I was an only child, and so shy and never very talkative. I became
an object of sympathy.
I learnt to talk to my fellow men, instead of trying to divine their
ways by mere observation. This approach made me see things in an
entirely different light. For the first time in my life, I could
sense the mighty struggles involved in mere survival, and beyond
that, the necessity for one-upmanship, to show that one has indeed
made it, and put others in their place. Everyone wanted to live, and
live with head held high, showing off as much as possible. You
needed to buy things. Good clothes for a start, then the
refrigerator, the TV, the scooter… For all that, you needed money
and more money. And money depended upon muscle - who you knew, and -
it was widely proclaimed - how unscrupulous you could be. Nobody
thought that it was possible to lead richer lives by concentrating on
making each other happy. Quality of service was an unknown concept.
This materialism was forcefully emphasized through urgent innuendoes
by the fairer sex. It acted against the more pervasive inertia of
the males, who were quite content to laze and curse in a fatalistic
manner. Inertia was pitched against the desire for a better life.
Yet there was a deep underlying sentiment against the fate that made
things so. Why did things have to be this way? What will happen in
the future? What do we really want? Such were the questions that
seemed to naturally arise after every meeting. The answers were
never there - a great deal of discontent would ultimately focus upon
some trivial issue. Every day just passed into another.
And I started to enjoy myself, as I realized that I was not the only
one with unanswered questions. I learnt to cook, and my family today
is grateful for that. I often ate out in "dhabas" and restaurants
such as the Pahalwan which boasted the custom of none less than the
great Dara Singh. I drank glasses of lassi, ate Dasseri mangoes and
most importantly watched Hindi movies. They were the sole recreation
and culture of the people of Ghaziabad. Seeing the latest movie on
the first night of release was the most socially in-thing to do!
I had a low opinion of run-of-the-mill Hindi films, formed by seeing
bad plots, doll actresses and fool actors. Only the music and songs
were superlative, as they were accepted as a part of one's life with
joy. The first few Hindi movies I watched with disgust. Really, was
here nothing better for me to do in my life? Must I be condemned for
ever to watch such stupidity in the company of my good friends the
paanwaalas and truck drivers?
And then I saw Rekha.
That was in the movie "Muqaddar ka Sikandar", in the company of Pal-
da and the Great Gango who characteristically took us late to the
cinema hall. I was stunned, elated.
The next morning I tried to communicate my thoughts and feelings to
Sardar Bigaru Singh, holding court with his jolly friends. I had
mentally labeled them as the behn***d group, as that expression,
uttered in various interesting ways , was an integral part of every
sentence from their mouths. He sister-referenced me affectionately,
and then advanced his reason for my excitement:
"O behn***d, she is a sexy woman."
His companions looked at me peculiarly, as if to ask which planet I
had come from. I left the company of those simplistic clods, not
bothering to hide my disgust.
The sexiness of Rekha was by no means lost upon me, but that was not
the only reason for my exhilaration. At last I had seen an Indian
whose performance was far superior to any Westerner. Even Sophia
Loren did not come close. I had, thanks to the Indian-English
writers and journalists, who exalt everything Western and deride
everything Indian, been brought up to have the lowest possible
opinion of India and Indians. Those scoundrels, willing to do
anything for a little crust of attention from foreign columnists, and
over-ready to serve the interests of their Indian-hating masters,
always took great care to give as little positive publicity as
possible to genuine Indians and their efforts. To really cripple
them, they would put our best people grudgingly below second or third
rate Westerners.
Rekha shattered such bonds. She liberated me. She showed that one
did not have to grow up to be a second-rate, disdained or patronized,
pseudo-Western, perennially whining loser.
A great desire for self-improvement came upon me. I did not wish to
live in a fog any longer. I wanted to know what I was doing, at
least in my professional work, to begin with. There had to be some
better methods than those tinkering ones of my mentor Sardar Bigaru
Singh. Effective and in fact indispensable though they often were,
they were of no use in the development of complicated systems such as
phased array radar antennas.
To understand anything, one must know everything. I embarked upon a
solitary voyage of discovery. My engineering books and notes arrived
at last, and I studied them diligently. I made many trips to Nai
Sarak in Delhi, to buy university-level course books on all subjects
that interested me. I took them with me on my daily trips from
Ghaziabad to Sohna, reading as I jerked along in the crowded four
wheel drive. I read them while not clambering up and down the huge
Scientific Atlanta antenna positioner, connecting this, or adjusting
that. While returning, it was usually dark, so there was nothing
else to do except think of Rekha, and wonder if I could make it for
the late night show.
Thus things went on. Gradually, as a result of my hard work and the
grace of my dear Mother Kali, the mists cleared. I made bold and
drastic changes in the established designs, with strikingly positive
results. From first principles, I made analytical models based upon
the specifications, then run computer simulations to find the best
parameter values and also the tolerances. Project after project made
it from my drawing board to the prototype and production shops. I
worked in the hot sun on the roof, tuning the heavy corrugated horn
antennas the Bigaru way, month after month. I chased after parts in
the prototype shop, learning all the nitty-gritty details. I dealt
with the military clients, and attended field trials where jet planes
thundered at treetop height in the plains near Ambala. What an
experience! How wonderful it is to ultimately see all the hard work
bear fruit - produce the perfect radiation patterns with first the
computer design and then the prototype antennas in our 5 Km long test
site, finally going on to pass the stringent inspection tests with
flying colours! Such joy was my only reward.
There were rare times when I enjoyed elite society. After our radar
trials passed successfully, we were invited for cocktails in the Air
Force Mess in Ambala. What a magnificent place! Polished wooden
floors, huge graceful rooms with long heavy curtains, elegant
furniture of the like I had never seen before, a bar with muted
lighting and such stately atmosphere! Khansamahs in starched white
uniforms and gold braid glided about like stately goldfish, bearing
crystal glasses containing gin and whisky along with many interesting
edible tidbits. It was an environment for James Bonds, and indeed
there they were all right. I mean the pilots who had flown the
sorties, who were the most remarkable people I ever met. They did
not seem to belong to this world, those men who dated Mrityu, the
gentle but deaf and blind goddess of death, every sunrise. Their
courage, frankness, physical excellence and detachment made the rest
of us feel pretty inadequate. Their charming ladies fluttered
around in colourful organdies. The total effect was intoxicating.
After the shabbiness of my living quarters it was indeed heaven. I
felt glad to think that my work would help to bring back these heroes
safely back from enemy territory, instead of getting shot down by our
own people.
My greatest recognition came unexpectedly. I was outside the house
of an insurance agent, who was also a junior staff member of my
company. I did not like the man very much. He had the pretentious
upstart quality, so common among those of Ghaziabad, who had newly
learnt to differentiate themselves from the rest by bastard
mannerisms. He was inviting me to have tea in his home, and I was
trying to excuse myself. All of a sudden, his mask slipped off and
he humbly said that it would be an honour for him if a man like
myself would partake of his hospitality. I immediately accepted,
and did not forget to show my regard for his aged mother in our
traditional manner.
I was developing into an Indian! I delighted in gossip. I had
started to enjoy Hindi films. I could even do fairly well in the
radio quizzes! Hindi film songs soothed my soul. They were the
expression of the sad and battered soul of the masses, the only
living legacy of a great past now found pure and unscathed only in
its music and ancient literature. I even followed the latest
fashion, and once wore a tailored bi-colour zipped jacket to my work!
"Ustaad, kiska pocket maarooN? (Boss, whose pocket's to be picked?) "
queried Sardar Bigaru Singh.
Hindi film plots were never unpredictable. It is ironical that a
drama of such intensity and character as I never found on the screen
would become, for a while, a part of my life.
*****
(may be continued)
Arindam Banerjee
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[ Subject: PT?+3: Death in Ghaziabad - 1
[ From: "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.indian
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[ Date: January 8, 1999
Picaresque tales of an Indian publicsectorman - ?+3
Death in Ghaziabad - 1
Arindam Banerjee
(All rights reserved)
Melbourne, January 1999
Death could come to you easily in Ghaziabad. I first saw death when
the bus came to a sudden jolt. With sudden rush the occupants of
the left side came to the right. I had a clear view from my window.
It was of a young man in pajamas lying curiously still on the road.
He had evidently been hit and left for dead. A small crowd had
gathered. Some stones had been put around the corpse - it was not
that of a dog, after all. Our driver was pragmatic. He did not
stop. I do not know who did the needful, and how. Something was
surely done with the body, for it was not there when I returned to
the site an hour later. What was striking about this incident was
that it made not even the slightest change in the local surroundings.
Things went on as if the accident had never happened.
No ambulances would ever rush with screeching sirens in Ghaziabad,
for there were not any. There was no sign of any authority, not any
that one could see. The traffic policeman would stand helplessly at
the crossing in front of the "Ghantaghar", or clock tower building.
There were traffic lights at the crossing, and they even worked at
times. But they could never regulate the traffic. There was a
police outpost, on the road to the station. The policemen had no
cars or telephones or guns, and it is doubtful if they even had
paper. They had only sticks and bicycles.
Anarchy, then, was the normal state in Ghaziabad. My neighbours
relished the telling of ghastly stories, and they apparently believed
what they said and heard. Probably they were all highly exaggerated.
Once the shop near the room I lived in was robbed. The little boy
who worked there came running to me in fear. From what could be made
out, there had been extensive murder and mayhem. I went to
investigate. The miscreants had by that time decamped. No one had
been hurt, but some money was taken. That was the only time the shop
was robbed, in my three years of stay in Modeltown, Ghaziabad. It
was the only noteworthy shop of its kind in the entire area.
Western ways did show themselves in Ghaziabad, most noticeably in the
District Court near my lodging. Lawyers in black coats thronged like
flies, over the ramshackle wooden furniture inside and outside the
tents around the decaying Court buildings. They did not inspire
respect upon first sight. Later on, I would come to know how
thorough and professional they were at their work. As I now see it,
they form the only chance of establishing order among the surrounding
chaos.
What was I doing in Ghaziabad? That was a question which puzzled my
friend, colleague and mentor Shordar Bigaru Singh. What was one of
my kind doing in Ghaziabad? I should be studying in the United
States, with the intention of bringing back technical knowledge to
India, as indeed a few did.
I was dying in Ghaziabad. Much later would I know exactly how and
what about me was dying there.
How was I dying? It is difficult to explain. I had no physical
disease. My job as an antenna development engineer, which often
entailed continuous 15 hour schedules and long field trips, was
difficult and demanding. But I liked my work, even though I knew it
would lead me nowhere.
I was in Ghaziabad because I wanted to understand certain things,
such as exactly why we Indians were so, so, poor and others were so
rich. Books and articles from learned people taught me nothing. I
intuited that analyses from foreign writers were wrong or shallow.
Indian writers of the kind one read in the English language merely
parroted them. My own childhood and youth had been far too golden.
I always had the best of everything, and so knew nothing at all. I
had to find out the answers for myself, and for that, I had to live
by myself among Indians of the kind not paid by the public. I knew I
could never be contented otherwise.
Ghaziabad was killing me slowly. With every passing day, I knew I
was becoming less and less of the person I was when I graduated. I
was losing my academic skills and my chances of a career abroad or
even in a lucrative private sector job in India. I should have at
least been doing an MBA! From being the apple of everyone's eye I
had become a complete non-entity.
And what was I gaining? As far as I could see, nothing. I would
walk alone on the dusty roads of Ghaziabad, seeking answers, but
answers - they eluded me. The local people would look upon me with
indifference, as if to say they had seen many such as I before. Only
money talked in Ghaziabad, and then only if you showed it by huge
high-walled houses, cars and servants. Anyone who think that Indians
care about spirituality and intellect should live in Ghaziabad.
There was no Hindu temple that I could find, nor a single book-shop
that sold anything other than textbooks. There were, on the other
hand, plenty of furniture shops and "Angrezi" liquor shops.
Death would come more quickly if I frequented the liquor shops. But
I did not care for drink, unless it was lassi, the kind you got in
just that one shop in that narrow street. When the overpowering
heat seemed to dry your very blood, that was just what was needed to
live, and continue your questioning.
Death could come even more quickly if you dared to change the
established state of affaris. Once boredom and curiosity took me to a
late night movie show. I saw a strange sight. Outside the window
for the cheapest seats, there was a queue of people cowering like so
many dumb animals, each with both hands upon the shoulders of the man
before him. Maintaining order was a person in a three-piece suit,
marching up and down with a whip in his hand. I wanted to do
something, but I did not know what to do. I had been warned by a
well-wisher never to interfere in local matters. "If you wish to
survive here, just mind your own business. When you have to deal
with these people, put on your best behaviour, be very polite.
Unused to such, they will be taken aback and that'll be your best
chance of getting what you want." I once forgot this advice, and
spoke my mind to a furniture shop-owner in Panchkuin Road, Delhi.
The man assaulted me!
Yes, I was dying. Ghaziabad was killing me in every way. My
ambitions and dreams were fading in the distance. All that could be
seen, all that could be sensed, were callousness, selfishness and
greed. The fruit sellers would sneer if you asked for just one kilo
- you would not dare ask for half! "Do kilo lay jao, ji!". The
local shopkeeper, I saw, would swipe a slice or two of a loaf of
sliced bread if he sold in halves. The merchants delighted in
shaming you into buying more expensive stuff. If you had no money
you were nothing. Your talents did not matter. Nor did your health,
youth or appearance. What did matter was clothes, for they showed
how much money you could spend. Tailoring shops abounded in
Ghaziabad.
What did people do in Ghaziabad? There were no public libraries, no
gymnasiums, no clubs. No one seemed to have hobbies of any kind.
There were no animated roadside discussions, as I had seen and taken
part in Ranchi and Calcutta. There were no signs of romance
whatsoever - I never saw any boy with any girl; for that matter,
hardly ever any married man alone in public with his wife. While
there were plenty of liquor shops, there was just one ramshackle
"public house" selling country liquor next to the fishmongers' area.
People did not play anything, nor did they seem to take any exercise.
Girls did not play music, nor sing, nor paint. The boys - especially
the well-dressed ones - seemed not to know what to do. They aimlessly
roamed around in small groups on motorcycles and scooters, showing
off the latest fashions favored by film heroes.
Waves of apathy rolled on all sides. Everything seemed so pointless,
so meaningless. Life dragged on in slow reluctant ways. If people
moved, they moved slowly. It seemed enough to live on for yet
another day. Nothing would change. Attitudes were firmly fixed. Or
so I thought, as the following Arjuna's song from Tagore's
Chitrangada would play in my head with increasing frequency -
Disquiet profound haunts me today, o how my body burns! Cruel arrows
pierce the heart, drenched am I with pain. Mirages dance before my
eyes, fires blaze in my breast. This garland of welcome is threaded
with the thread of death.
Known horizons fade before the shadow lands of dreams That vanish as
vanish the coloured palasa leaves of autumn. This journey is without
purpose; I am given to losing my way. In this strange new land I must
now die!
My parents came for a visit. And suddenly things changed. Within a
few days they managed to make friends with all the people around us.
My father with the men, and my mother with the women. The Great
Gango (of whose lordliness I wrote about some years ago) quite
instantly became like someone I had known my whole life. Chachaji
started looking genuinely more avuncular, and less like an avaricious
landlord, as my father and he exchanged notes. Other younger men
around, following his lead, became more considerate. The elderly
lady next door said unpleasant things about her daughter-in-law, who
had "captured" her doted son. She had had to dissimulate to her
relatives in Punjab, to hear them say, "Tu yea kali larki laanay
itinee dure gayi thee!" (Did you have to go so far to get this black
girl?) The daughter-in-law did not endear herself to my mother, for
she praised her husband in extravagant terms: "He is almost as tall,
and more handsome than your son." Chachiji however remained aloof,
as became any self-respecting landlady with respect to mere tenants.
Everything started to appear in a different light. All of a sudden
everyone around seemed to take an interest in me. "Why did your son
not ever talk to us?" was the question heard from all sides. "Why is
he so aloof, so reserved?" It appeared that they too wanted answers
about myself, as eagerly as I did about them. My parents apologized;
I was an only child, and so shy and never very talkative. I became
an object of sympathy.
I learnt to talk to my fellow men, instead of trying to divine their
ways by mere observation. This approach made me see things in an
entirely different light. For the first time in my life, I could
sense the mighty struggles involved in mere survival, and beyond
that, the necessity for one-upmanship, to show that one has indeed
made it, and put others in their place. Everyone wanted to live, and
live with head held high, showing off as much as possible. You
needed to buy things. Good clothes for a start, then the
refrigerator, the TV, the scooter… For all that, you needed money
and more money. And money depended upon muscle - who you knew, and -
it was widely proclaimed - how unscrupulous you could be. Nobody
thought that it was possible to lead richer lives by concentrating on
making each other happy. Quality of service was an unknown concept.
This materialism was forcefully emphasized through urgent innuendoes
by the fairer sex. It acted against the more pervasive inertia of
the males, who were quite content to laze and curse in a fatalistic
manner. Inertia was pitched against the desire for a better life.
Yet there was a deep underlying sentiment against the fate that made
things so. Why did things have to be this way? What will happen in
the future? What do we really want? Such were the questions that
seemed to naturally arise after every meeting. The answers were
never there - a great deal of discontent would ultimately focus upon
some trivial issue. Every day just passed into another.
And I started to enjoy myself, as I realized that I was not the only
one with unanswered questions. I learnt to cook, and my family today
is grateful for that. I often ate out in "dhabas" and restaurants
such as the Pahalwan which boasted the custom of none less than the
great Dara Singh. I drank glasses of lassi, ate Dasseri mangoes and
most importantly watched Hindi movies. They were the sole recreation
and culture of the people of Ghaziabad. Seeing the latest movie on
the first night of release was the most socially in-thing to do!
I had a low opinion of run-of-the-mill Hindi films, formed by seeing
bad plots, doll actresses and fool actors. Only the music and songs
were superlative, as they were accepted as a part of one's life with
joy. The first few Hindi movies I watched with disgust. Really, was
here nothing better for me to do in my life? Must I be condemned for
ever to watch such stupidity in the company of my good friends the
paanwaalas and truck drivers?
And then I saw Rekha.
That was in the movie "Muqaddar ka Sikandar", in the company of Pal-
da and the Great Gango who characteristically took us late to the
cinema hall. I was stunned, elated.
The next morning I tried to communicate my thoughts and feelings to
Sardar Bigaru Singh, holding court with his jolly friends. I had
mentally labeled them as the behn***d group, as that expression,
uttered in various interesting ways , was an integral part of every
sentence from their mouths. He sister-referenced me affectionately,
and then advanced his reason for my excitement:
"O behn***d, she is a sexy woman."
His companions looked at me peculiarly, as if to ask which planet I
had come from. I left the company of those simplistic clods, not
bothering to hide my disgust.
The sexiness of Rekha was by no means lost upon me, but that was not
the only reason for my exhilaration. At last I had seen an Indian
whose performance was far superior to any Westerner. Even Sophia
Loren did not come close. I had, thanks to the Indian-English
writers and journalists, who exalt everything Western and deride
everything Indian, been brought up to have the lowest possible
opinion of India and Indians. Those scoundrels, willing to do
anything for a little crust of attention from foreign columnists, and
over-ready to serve the interests of their Indian-hating masters,
always took great care to give as little positive publicity as
possible to genuine Indians and their efforts. To really cripple
them, they would put our best people grudgingly below second or third
rate Westerners.
Rekha shattered such bonds. She liberated me. She showed that one
did not have to grow up to be a second-rate, disdained or patronized,
pseudo-Western, perennially whining loser.
A great desire for self-improvement came upon me. I did not wish to
live in a fog any longer. I wanted to know what I was doing, at
least in my professional work, to begin with. There had to be some
better methods than those tinkering ones of my mentor Sardar Bigaru
Singh. Effective and in fact indispensable though they often were,
they were of no use in the development of complicated systems such as
phased array radar antennas.
To understand anything, one must know everything. I embarked upon a
solitary voyage of discovery. My engineering books and notes arrived
at last, and I studied them diligently. I made many trips to Nai
Sarak in Delhi, to buy university-level course books on all subjects
that interested me. I took them with me on my daily trips from
Ghaziabad to Sohna, reading as I jerked along in the crowded four
wheel drive. I read them while not clambering up and down the huge
Scientific Atlanta antenna positioner, connecting this, or adjusting
that. While returning, it was usually dark, so there was nothing
else to do except think of Rekha, and wonder if I could make it for
the late night show.
Thus things went on. Gradually, as a result of my hard work and the
grace of my dear Mother Kali, the mists cleared. I made bold and
drastic changes in the established designs, with strikingly positive
results. From first principles, I made analytical models based upon
the specifications, then run computer simulations to find the best
parameter values and also the tolerances. Project after project made
it from my drawing board to the prototype and production shops. I
worked in the hot sun on the roof, tuning the heavy corrugated horn
antennas the Bigaru way, month after month. I chased after parts in
the prototype shop, learning all the nitty-gritty details. I dealt
with the military clients, and attended field trials where jet planes
thundered at treetop height in the plains near Ambala. What an
experience! How wonderful it is to ultimately see all the hard work
bear fruit - produce the perfect radiation patterns with first the
computer design and then the prototype antennas in our 5 Km long test
site, finally going on to pass the stringent inspection tests with
flying colours! Such joy was my only reward.
There were rare times when I enjoyed elite society. After our radar
trials passed successfully, we were invited for cocktails in the Air
Force Mess in Ambala. What a magnificent place! Polished wooden
floors, huge graceful rooms with long heavy curtains, elegant
furniture of the like I had never seen before, a bar with muted
lighting and such stately atmosphere! Khansamahs in starched white
uniforms and gold braid glided about like stately goldfish, bearing
crystal glasses containing gin and whisky along with many interesting
edible tidbits. It was an environment for James Bonds, and indeed
there they were all right. I mean the pilots who had flown the
sorties, who were the most remarkable people I ever met. They did
not seem to belong to this world, those men who dated Mrityu, the
gentle but deaf and blind goddess of death, every sunrise. Their
courage, frankness, physical excellence and detachment made the rest
of us feel pretty inadequate. Their charming ladies fluttered
around in colourful organdies. The total effect was intoxicating.
After the shabbiness of my living quarters it was indeed heaven. I
felt glad to think that my work would help to bring back these heroes
safely back from enemy territory, instead of getting shot down by our
own people.
My greatest recognition came unexpectedly. I was outside the house
of an insurance agent, who was also a junior staff member of my
company. I did not like the man very much. He had the pretentious
upstart quality, so common among those of Ghaziabad, who had newly
learnt to differentiate themselves from the rest by bastard
mannerisms. He was inviting me to have tea in his home, and I was
trying to excuse myself. All of a sudden, his mask slipped off and
he humbly said that it would be an honour for him if a man like
myself would partake of his hospitality. I immediately accepted,
and did not forget to show my regard for his aged mother in our
traditional manner.
I was developing into an Indian! I delighted in gossip. I had
started to enjoy Hindi films. I could even do fairly well in the
radio quizzes! Hindi film songs soothed my soul. They were the
expression of the sad and battered soul of the masses, the only
living legacy of a great past now found pure and unscathed only in
its music and ancient literature. I even followed the latest
fashion, and once wore a tailored bi-colour zipped jacket to my work!
"Ustaad, kiska pocket maarooN? (Boss, whose pocket's to be picked?) "
queried Sardar Bigaru Singh.
Hindi film plots were never unpredictable. It is ironical that a
drama of such intensity and character as I never found on the screen
would become, for a while, a part of my life.
*****
(may be continued)
Arindam Banerjee
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On Feb 23, 11:37 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> ...
>
> read more »
Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! I have to complete this,
of course. It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
Cheers
Arindam Banerjee
>
> read more »
Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! I have to complete this,
of course. It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
Cheers
Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 2, 2012, 4:55:18 PM3/2/12
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In article <d5271775-daaf-49f7...@vt9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > the bus came to a sudden jolt. =A0With =A0sudden rush the occupants of
> > the left side came to the right. =A0I had a clear view from my window.
> > that of a dog, after all. =A0Our driver was pragmatic. =A0He did not
> > stop. =A0I do not know who did the needful, and how. =A0Something was
> > that one could see. =A0The traffic policeman would stand helplessly at
> > police outpost, on the road to the station. =A0The policemen had no
> > cars or telephones or guns, and it is doubtful =A0if they even had
> > paper. =A0They had only sticks and =A0bicycles.
> >
> > Anarchy, then, was the normal state in Ghaziabad. =A0My neighbours
> > Once the shop near the room I lived in was robbed. =A0The little boy
> > who worked there came running to me in fear. =A0From what could be made
> > out, there had been extensive murder and mayhem. =A0I went to
> > investigate. =A0The miscreants had by that time decamped. =A0No one had
> > respect upon first sight. =A0Later on, I would come to know how
> > thorough and professional they were at their work. =A0As I now see it,
> > friend, colleague and mentor Shordar Bigaru Singh. =A0What was one of
> > my kind doing in Ghaziabad? =A0I should be studying in the United
> > I always had the best of everything, and so knew nothing at all. =A0I
> > was becoming less and less of the person I was when I graduated. =A0I
> > was losing my academic skills and =A0my chances of a career abroad or
> > even in a lucrative private sector job in India. =A0I should have at
> > least been doing an MBA! =A0From being the apple of everyone's eye I
> > indifference, as if to say they had seen many such as I before. =A0Only
> > marching up and down with a whip in his hand. =A0I wanted to do
> > something, but I did not know what to do. =A0I had been warned by a
> > well-wisher never to interfere in local matters. =A0"If you wish to
> > survive here, just mind your own business. =A0When you have to deal
> > ambitions and dreams were fading in the distance. =A0All that could be
> > - you would not dare ask for half! =A0"Do kilo lay jao, ji!". =A0The
> > shaming you into buying more expensive stuff. =A0If you had no money
> > you were nothing. =A0Your talents did not matter. =A0Nor did your health,
> > youth or appearance. =A0What did matter was clothes, for they showed
> > how much money you could spend. =A0Tailoring shops abounded in
> > Ghaziabad.
> >
> > What did people do in Ghaziabad? =A0There were no public libraries, no
> > gymnasiums, no clubs. =A0No one seemed to have hobbies of any kind.
> > so meaningless. =A0Life dragged on in slow reluctant ways. =A0If people
> > moved, they moved slowly. =A0It seemed enough to live on for yet
> > another day. Nothing would change. =A0Attitudes were firmly fixed. =A0Or
> > Gango =A0(of whose lordliness I wrote about some years ago) quite
> > instantly became like someone I had known my whole life. =A0Chachaji
> > around, following his lead, became more considerate. =A0The elderly
> > relatives in Punjab, to hear them say, =A0"Tu yea kali larki laanay
> > itinee dure gayi thee!" =A0(Did you have to go so far to get this black
> > girl?) =A0The
> > ...
> >
> > read more =BB
collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
staring at the empty page.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Forwarded post:
> >
> > [ Subject: PT?+3: Death in Ghaziabad - 1
> > [ From: "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
> > [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.indian
> > [ Organization: ADDA
> > [ Message-ID: <01be3b51$2ed42f40$3cd0868b@adda>
> > [ Date: January 8, 1999
> >
> > Picaresque tales of an Indian publicsectorman - ?+3
> >
> > Death in Ghaziabad =A0- 1
> >
> > [ Subject: PT?+3: Death in Ghaziabad - 1
> > [ From: "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
> > [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.indian
> > [ Organization: ADDA
> > [ Message-ID: <01be3b51$2ed42f40$3cd0868b@adda>
> > [ Date: January 8, 1999
> >
> > Picaresque tales of an Indian publicsectorman - ?+3
> >
> >
> > Arindam Banerjee
> > (All rights reserved)
> > Melbourne, January 1999
> >
> > Death could come to you easily in Ghaziabad. =A0I first saw death when
> > Arindam Banerjee
> > (All rights reserved)
> > Melbourne, January 1999
> >
> > the bus came to a sudden jolt. =A0With =A0sudden rush the occupants of
> > the left side came to the right. =A0I had a clear view from my window.
> > It was of a young man in pajamas lying curiously still on the road.
> > He had evidently been hit and left for dead. A small crowd had
> > gathered. =A0Some stones had been put around the corpse - it was not
> > He had evidently been hit and left for dead. A small crowd had
> > that of a dog, after all. =A0Our driver was pragmatic. =A0He did not
> > stop. =A0I do not know who did the needful, and how. =A0Something was
> > surely done with the body, for it was not there when I returned to
> > the site an hour later. =A0What was striking about =A0this incident was
> > that it made not even the slightest change in the local surroundings.
> > Things went on as if the accident had never happened.
> >
> > No ambulances would ever rush with screeching sirens in Ghaziabad,
> > for there were not any. =A0There was no sign of any authority, not any
> > Things went on as if the accident had never happened.
> >
> > No ambulances would ever rush with screeching sirens in Ghaziabad,
> > that one could see. =A0The traffic policeman would stand helplessly at
> > the crossing in front of the "Ghantaghar", or clock tower building.
> > There were traffic lights at the crossing, and they even worked at
> > times. =A0But they could never regulate the traffic. =A0There was a
> > There were traffic lights at the crossing, and they even worked at
> > police outpost, on the road to the station. =A0The policemen had no
> > cars or telephones or guns, and it is doubtful =A0if they even had
> > paper. =A0They had only sticks and =A0bicycles.
> >
> > Anarchy, then, was the normal state in Ghaziabad. =A0My neighbours
> > relished the telling of ghastly stories, and they apparently believed
> > what they said and heard. =A0Probably they were all highly exaggerated.
> > Once the shop near the room I lived in was robbed. =A0The little boy
> > who worked there came running to me in fear. =A0From what could be made
> > out, there had been extensive murder and mayhem. =A0I went to
> > investigate. =A0The miscreants had by that time decamped. =A0No one had
> > been hurt, but some money was taken. That was the only time the shop
> > was robbed, in my three years of stay in Modeltown, Ghaziabad. =A0It
> > was the only noteworthy shop of its kind in the entire area.
> >
> > Western ways did show themselves in Ghaziabad, most noticeably in the
> > District Court near my lodging. =A0Lawyers in black coats thronged like
> >
> > Western ways did show themselves in Ghaziabad, most noticeably in the
> > flies, over the ramshackle wooden furniture inside and outside the
> > tents around the decaying Court buildings. =A0They did not inspire
> > respect upon first sight. =A0Later on, I would come to know how
> > thorough and professional they were at their work. =A0As I now see it,
> > they form the only chance of establishing order among the surrounding
> > chaos.
> >
> > What was I doing in Ghaziabad? =A0That was a question which puzzled my
> > chaos.
> >
> > friend, colleague and mentor Shordar Bigaru Singh. =A0What was one of
> > my kind doing in Ghaziabad? =A0I should be studying in the United
> > States, with the intention of bringing back technical knowledge to
> > India, as indeed a few did.
> >
> > I was dying in Ghaziabad. =A0Much later would I know exactly how and
> > India, as indeed a few did.
> >
> > what about me was dying there.
> >
> > How was I dying? =A0It is difficult to explain. =A0I had no physical
> >
> > disease. My job as an antenna development engineer, which often
> > entailed continuous 15 hour schedules and long field trips, was
> > difficult and demanding. =A0But I liked my work, even though I knew it
> > entailed continuous 15 hour schedules and long field trips, was
> > would lead me nowhere.
> >
> > I was in Ghaziabad because I wanted to understand certain things,
> > such as exactly why we Indians were so, so, poor and others were so
> > rich. =A0Books and articles from learned people taught me nothing. =A0I
> >
> > I was in Ghaziabad because I wanted to understand certain things,
> > such as exactly why we Indians were so, so, poor and others were so
> > intuited that analyses from foreign writers were wrong or shallow.
> > Indian writers of the kind one read in the English language merely
> > parroted them. =A0My own childhood and youth had been far too golden.
> > Indian writers of the kind one read in the English language merely
> > I always had the best of everything, and so knew nothing at all. =A0I
> > had to find out the answers for myself, and for that, I had to live
> > by myself among Indians of the kind not paid by the public. =A0I knew I
> > could never be contented otherwise.
> >
> > Ghaziabad was killing me slowly. =A0With every passing day, I knew I
> >
> > was becoming less and less of the person I was when I graduated. =A0I
> > was losing my academic skills and =A0my chances of a career abroad or
> > even in a lucrative private sector job in India. =A0I should have at
> > least been doing an MBA! =A0From being the apple of everyone's eye I
> > had become a complete non-entity.
> >
> > And what was I gaining? =A0As far as I could see, nothing. =A0I would
> >
> > walk alone on the dusty roads of Ghaziabad, seeking answers, but
> > answers - they eluded me. =A0The local people would look upon me with
> > indifference, as if to say they had seen many such as I before. =A0Only
> > money talked in Ghaziabad, and then only if you showed it by huge
> > high-walled houses, cars and servants. =A0Anyone who think that Indians
> > care about spirituality and intellect should live in Ghaziabad.
> > There was no Hindu temple that I could find, nor a single book-shop
> > that sold anything other than textbooks. There were, on the other
> > hand, plenty of furniture shops and "Angrezi" liquor shops.
> >
> > Death would come more quickly if I frequented the liquor shops. =A0But
> > There was no Hindu temple that I could find, nor a single book-shop
> > that sold anything other than textbooks. There were, on the other
> > hand, plenty of furniture shops and "Angrezi" liquor shops.
> >
> > I did not care for drink, unless it was lassi, the kind you got in
> > just that one shop in that narrow street. =A0 When the overpowering
> > heat seemed to dry your very blood, that was just what was needed to
> > live, and continue your questioning.
> >
> > Death could come even more quickly if you dared to change the
> > established state of affaris. Once boredom and curiosity took me to a
> > late night movie show. =A0I saw a strange sight. =A0Outside the window
> > live, and continue your questioning.
> >
> > Death could come even more quickly if you dared to change the
> > established state of affaris. Once boredom and curiosity took me to a
> > for the cheapest seats, there was a queue of people cowering like so
> > many dumb animals, each with both hands upon the shoulders of the man
> > before him. =A0Maintaining order was a person in a three-piece suit,
> > many dumb animals, each with both hands upon the shoulders of the man
> > marching up and down with a whip in his hand. =A0I wanted to do
> > something, but I did not know what to do. =A0I had been warned by a
> > well-wisher never to interfere in local matters. =A0"If you wish to
> > survive here, just mind your own business. =A0When you have to deal
> > with these people, put on your best behaviour, be very polite.
> > Unused to such, they will be taken aback and that'll be your best
> > chance of getting what you want." =A0I once forgot this advice, and
> > Unused to such, they will be taken aback and that'll be your best
> > spoke my mind to a furniture shop-owner in Panchkuin Road, Delhi.
> > The man assaulted me!
> >
> > Yes, I was dying. =A0Ghaziabad was killing me in every way. =A0My
> > The man assaulted me!
> >
> > ambitions and dreams were fading in the distance. =A0All that could be
> > seen, all that could be sensed, were callousness, selfishness and
> > greed. =A0The fruit sellers would sneer if =A0you asked for just one kilo
> > - you would not dare ask for half! =A0"Do kilo lay jao, ji!". =A0The
> > local shopkeeper, I saw, would swipe a slice or two of a loaf of
> > sliced bread if he sold in halves. =A0The merchants delighted in
> > shaming you into buying more expensive stuff. =A0If you had no money
> > you were nothing. =A0Your talents did not matter. =A0Nor did your health,
> > youth or appearance. =A0What did matter was clothes, for they showed
> > how much money you could spend. =A0Tailoring shops abounded in
> > Ghaziabad.
> >
> > What did people do in Ghaziabad? =A0There were no public libraries, no
> > gymnasiums, no clubs. =A0No one seemed to have hobbies of any kind.
> > There were no animated roadside discussions, as I had seen and taken
> > part in Ranchi and Calcutta. =A0There were no signs of romance
> > whatsoever - I never saw any boy with any girl; for that matter,
> > hardly ever any married man alone in public with his wife. =A0While
> > there were plenty of liquor shops, there was just one ramshackle
> > "public house" selling country liquor next to the fishmongers' area.
> > People did not play anything, nor did they seem to take any exercise.
> > Girls did not play music, nor sing, nor paint. =A0The boys - especially
> > "public house" selling country liquor next to the fishmongers' area.
> > People did not play anything, nor did they seem to take any exercise.
> > the well-dressed ones - seemed not to know what to do. They aimlessly
> > roamed around in small groups on motorcycles and scooters, showing
> > off the latest fashions favored by film heroes.
> >
> > Waves of apathy rolled on all sides. =A0Everything seemed so pointless,
> > roamed around in small groups on motorcycles and scooters, showing
> > off the latest fashions favored by film heroes.
> >
> > so meaningless. =A0Life dragged on in slow reluctant ways. =A0If people
> > moved, they moved slowly. =A0It seemed enough to live on for yet
> > another day. Nothing would change. =A0Attitudes were firmly fixed. =A0Or
> > so I thought, as the following Arjuna's song from Tagore's
> > Chitrangada would play in my head with increasing frequency -
> >
> > Disquiet profound haunts me today, o how my body burns! Cruel arrows
> > pierce the heart, drenched am I with pain. Mirages dance before my
> > eyes, fires blaze in my breast. This garland of welcome is threaded
> > with the thread of death.
> >
> > Known horizons fade before the shadow lands of dreams That vanish as
> > vanish the coloured palasa leaves of autumn. This journey is without
> > purpose; I am given to losing my way. In this strange new land I must
> > now die!
> >
> > My parents came for a visit. =A0And suddenly things changed. =A0Within a
> > Chitrangada would play in my head with increasing frequency -
> >
> > Disquiet profound haunts me today, o how my body burns! Cruel arrows
> > pierce the heart, drenched am I with pain. Mirages dance before my
> > eyes, fires blaze in my breast. This garland of welcome is threaded
> > with the thread of death.
> >
> > Known horizons fade before the shadow lands of dreams That vanish as
> > vanish the coloured palasa leaves of autumn. This journey is without
> > purpose; I am given to losing my way. In this strange new land I must
> > now die!
> >
> > few days they managed to make friends with all the people around us.
> > My father with the men, and my mother with the women. =A0The Great
> > Gango =A0(of whose lordliness I wrote about some years ago) quite
> > instantly became like someone I had known my whole life. =A0Chachaji
> > started looking genuinely more avuncular, and less like an avaricious
> > landlord, as my father and he exchanged notes. =A0Other younger men
> > around, following his lead, became more considerate. =A0The elderly
> > lady next door said unpleasant things about her daughter-in-law, who
> > had "captured" her doted son. =A0She had had to dissimulate to her
> > relatives in Punjab, to hear them say, =A0"Tu yea kali larki laanay
> > itinee dure gayi thee!" =A0(Did you have to go so far to get this black
> > girl?) =A0The
> > ...
> >
> > read more =BB
>
> Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! I have to complete this,
> of course. It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> Cheers
> Arindam Banerjee
Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! I have to complete this,
> of course. It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> Cheers
> Arindam Banerjee
collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
staring at the empty page.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 3, 2012, 9:45:17 AM3/3/12
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>
> > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! I have to complete this,
> > of course. It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > Cheers
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> staring at the empty pa
Thanks. I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! I have to complete this,
> > of course. It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > Cheers
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> staring at the empty pa
will be forced to write for money from now on. Let us see what
happens. Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
hope the public buys!
Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 3, 2012, 9:25:32 PM3/3/12
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Copy from another thread:
In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888...@pz10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <cafe0afd-6a91-48d7-a81a-a40d3ba7a...@f14g2000yqe.goog=
> legroups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> > > > > > > This serial produced by BBC runs into nine parts, and is full
> > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long. I was
> > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- but it
> > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> > > > > > I was there when it happened. . . and when the massacres occurred
> > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves).
> >
> > > > Traditional Jyotishis do not publicize our age or birth data, but as
> > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here on
> > > > s.c.i; and yes those horrible events took place that long ago. Where
> > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? How old
> > > > are you?
> > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Yes, I have visited the Jantar Mantar in Jaipur, as also the one in
> > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> understood anything. The Jaipur complex is much bigger and superior
> in every way. One problem is that they do not show all the stuff,
> like sighting scopes, so it is difficult to see what use was actually
> made of such equipement. In Jaipur at least they gave some
> descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. The equipment is nearly
> 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. In English they say it
> was repaired in 19xx. I suppose there is some reason for this. At
> the end of the day it looks like they were mainly interested in
> finding the correct time, for their calender. In Jaipur there was
> this unique thing, special equipment for the different signs of the
> zodiac. Beats me. But I suppose as an astrologer they should be of
> interest to you, Jai. Fortunately for us, Suryadeva was in good form
> and we could read the local time accurately on a dial where the plane
> was bent to be in line with the ecliptic. They knew about ecliptics
> in those days, wow. The markings in Devanagari were very clear. I
> took a photo of a notice which compared Hindu time scales with modern
> time scales. Mr Malcolm Fabian of Adelaide once explained how the
> pyramids too were used for time computation, as also for referencing
> distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> flood away the markers so the boundaries would have to be drawn every
> time. The ancients were so clever. One system there looks a lot like
> Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things... a
> bit beyond me
Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
I often post the following excerpts:
[ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
[
[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
[
[ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
[ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
[ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
[ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
[ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
[ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
[ "Astronomy was then interwoven with astrology and
[ since ancient times Indians have involved the planets
[ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
[ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
[ considered inauspicious.
[ In the working out of horoscopes (called
[ Janmakundali), the position of the Navagrahas, nine
[ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
[ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
[ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
[ astronomical observations and perception based on
[ astronomical phenomenon.
[ "In ancient times personalities like Aryabhatta and
[ Varahamihira were associated with Indian astronomy.
[ "It would be surprising for us to know today that this
[ science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India
[ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
[ are same as the sun, that the sun is center of the
[ universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the
[ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
[ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
[ [...] Regards Sudheer
[
[ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
[ Om Shanti
And,
[ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
[ appellations through thirty years of diligent study of the science of
[ prediction. He was an expert in both astrology and numerology but
[ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. He wrote in
[ 1949:
[
[ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this study
[ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
[ knowledge. Long before Rome or Greece or Israel was even heard of,
[ the monuments of India point back to an age of learning beyond, and
[ still beyond.
[
[ "From the astronomical calculations that the figures in their temples
[ represent, it has been estimated that the Hindus understood the
[ precession of the equinoxes centuries before the Christian era.
[
[ "In some of the ancient cave temples, the mystic figures of the
[ [deities] silently tell that such knowledge had been possessed and
[ used in advance of all those nations afterward so celebrated for
[ their learning.
[
[ "It has been demonstrated that to make a change from one sign to
[ another in the zodiacal course of the sun must have occupied at least
[ 2,140 years, and how many centuries elapsed before such changes came
[ to be observed and noticed it is impossible even to estimate.
[
[ "The intellectual power that was necessary to make these observations
[ speaks for itself; and yet it is to such a people that we trace the
[ origin of the study under consideration. With the spread of the Hindu
[ teachings into other lands do we trace the spread of knowledge of
[ palmistry.
[
[ "The Hindu Vedas are the oldest scriptures that have been found, and
[ according to some authorities they have been the foundation of even
[ the Greek schools of learning."
[
[ - 'Cheiro's Language Of The Hand' By Cheiro
[ Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1987
[ Herbert Jenkins Limited, London, 1949
[ ISBN 0-13-128398-7
[
[ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
[ Om Shanti
> > How was your vacation overall?
>
> Our tour was incredibly successful, and also joyous, educational,
> entertaining with lots of great food: camel riding in the Thar desert
> followed by a scintillating dance performance under the stars maybe
> was the best. Seeing Agnipath in Rajmandir at Jaipur (the best
> cinemal hall in the world) was another great expeience and took me to
> the days of my youth. We saw many really real Indians of all shapes
> and colours and backgrounds, and one and all appreciated what we were
> doing. It is every nri papa's duty to inculcate pro-India sentiments
> to his offspring, and that I did, to the satisfaction of hotel
> keepers, auto and taxiwallahs, tour guides, agents, restaurant owners,
> shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and even
> gaping interest as our sort was evidently new to them. They all
> enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. They wanted to
> know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> Bengali height by six inches.. Then we explained we were from
> Australia, a most wonderful country, and then they were satisfied and
> plied us with lots of questions. Among an answer worthy of memory is
> this, my elder daughter said that India would become a much better
> country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> clean.
A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
and diving trips in the past.
> Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. Will depart on the
> 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping many
> happy memories with them on their cameras. The photos they have taken
> are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given what
> India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> etc.) As I had rather expected, the place most worthy of memory for
> all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
>
> " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> so our guide communicated then.
>
> Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> fine was she... Well, I got a print of a very beautiful Rajasthani
> woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> likeness!
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888...@pz10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <cafe0afd-6a91-48d7-a81a-a40d3ba7a...@f14g2000yqe.goog=
> legroups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> > > > > > > This serial produced by BBC runs into nine parts, and is full
> > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long. I was
> > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- but it
> > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> > > > > > I was there when it happened. . . and when the massacres occurred
> > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves).
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > How old are you? It happened 65 years ago.
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> >
> > > > Traditional Jyotishis do not publicize our age or birth data, but as
> > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here on
> > > > s.c.i; and yes those horrible events took place that long ago. Where
> > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? How old
> > > > are you?
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Have you seen the jantar-mantar at Jaipur? That was the one place in
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Yes, I have visited the Jantar Mantar in Jaipur, as also the one in
> > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Entry to the Dilli one was free back in 1989 - that being near to the
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> understood anything. The Jaipur complex is much bigger and superior
> in every way. One problem is that they do not show all the stuff,
> like sighting scopes, so it is difficult to see what use was actually
> made of such equipement. In Jaipur at least they gave some
> descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. The equipment is nearly
> 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. In English they say it
> was repaired in 19xx. I suppose there is some reason for this. At
> the end of the day it looks like they were mainly interested in
> finding the correct time, for their calender. In Jaipur there was
> this unique thing, special equipment for the different signs of the
> zodiac. Beats me. But I suppose as an astrologer they should be of
> interest to you, Jai. Fortunately for us, Suryadeva was in good form
> and we could read the local time accurately on a dial where the plane
> was bent to be in line with the ecliptic. They knew about ecliptics
> in those days, wow. The markings in Devanagari were very clear. I
> took a photo of a notice which compared Hindu time scales with modern
> time scales. Mr Malcolm Fabian of Adelaide once explained how the
> pyramids too were used for time computation, as also for referencing
> distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> flood away the markers so the boundaries would have to be drawn every
> time. The ancients were so clever. One system there looks a lot like
> Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things... a
> bit beyond me
Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
I often post the following excerpts:
[ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
[
[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
[
[ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
[ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
[ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
[ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
[ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
[ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
[ "Astronomy was then interwoven with astrology and
[ since ancient times Indians have involved the planets
[ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
[ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
[ considered inauspicious.
[ In the working out of horoscopes (called
[ Janmakundali), the position of the Navagrahas, nine
[ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
[ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
[ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
[ astronomical observations and perception based on
[ astronomical phenomenon.
[ "In ancient times personalities like Aryabhatta and
[ Varahamihira were associated with Indian astronomy.
[ "It would be surprising for us to know today that this
[ science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India
[ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
[ are same as the sun, that the sun is center of the
[ universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the
[ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
[ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
[ [...] Regards Sudheer
[
[ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
[ Om Shanti
And,
[ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
[ appellations through thirty years of diligent study of the science of
[ prediction. He was an expert in both astrology and numerology but
[ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. He wrote in
[ 1949:
[
[ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this study
[ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
[ knowledge. Long before Rome or Greece or Israel was even heard of,
[ the monuments of India point back to an age of learning beyond, and
[ still beyond.
[
[ "From the astronomical calculations that the figures in their temples
[ represent, it has been estimated that the Hindus understood the
[ precession of the equinoxes centuries before the Christian era.
[
[ "In some of the ancient cave temples, the mystic figures of the
[ [deities] silently tell that such knowledge had been possessed and
[ used in advance of all those nations afterward so celebrated for
[ their learning.
[
[ "It has been demonstrated that to make a change from one sign to
[ another in the zodiacal course of the sun must have occupied at least
[ 2,140 years, and how many centuries elapsed before such changes came
[ to be observed and noticed it is impossible even to estimate.
[
[ "The intellectual power that was necessary to make these observations
[ speaks for itself; and yet it is to such a people that we trace the
[ origin of the study under consideration. With the spread of the Hindu
[ teachings into other lands do we trace the spread of knowledge of
[ palmistry.
[
[ "The Hindu Vedas are the oldest scriptures that have been found, and
[ according to some authorities they have been the foundation of even
[ the Greek schools of learning."
[
[ - 'Cheiro's Language Of The Hand' By Cheiro
[ Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1987
[ Herbert Jenkins Limited, London, 1949
[ ISBN 0-13-128398-7
[
[ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
[ Om Shanti
> > How was your vacation overall?
>
> Our tour was incredibly successful, and also joyous, educational,
> entertaining with lots of great food: camel riding in the Thar desert
> followed by a scintillating dance performance under the stars maybe
> was the best. Seeing Agnipath in Rajmandir at Jaipur (the best
> cinemal hall in the world) was another great expeience and took me to
> the days of my youth. We saw many really real Indians of all shapes
> and colours and backgrounds, and one and all appreciated what we were
> doing. It is every nri papa's duty to inculcate pro-India sentiments
> to his offspring, and that I did, to the satisfaction of hotel
> keepers, auto and taxiwallahs, tour guides, agents, restaurant owners,
> shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and even
> gaping interest as our sort was evidently new to them. They all
> enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. They wanted to
> know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> Bengali height by six inches.. Then we explained we were from
> Australia, a most wonderful country, and then they were satisfied and
> plied us with lots of questions. Among an answer worthy of memory is
> this, my elder daughter said that India would become a much better
> country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> clean.
A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
and diving trips in the past.
> Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. Will depart on the
> 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping many
> happy memories with them on their cameras. The photos they have taken
> are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given what
> India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> etc.) As I had rather expected, the place most worthy of memory for
> all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
>
> " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> so our guide communicated then.
>
> Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> fine was she... Well, I got a print of a very beautiful Rajasthani
> woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> likeness!
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 3, 2012, 9:31:52 PM3/3/12
to
In article <ee48f407-694e-4173...@ow8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> >
> > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =A0I have to complete this,
> > > of course. =A0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
a lower price.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> >
> > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =A0I have to complete this,
> > > of course. =A0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > > Cheers
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> > staring at the empty page.
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Thanks. I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> will be forced to write for money from now on. Let us see what
> happens. Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
> hope the public buys!
> Arindam Banerjee
Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing so
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Thanks. I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> will be forced to write for money from now on. Let us see what
> happens. Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
> hope the public buys!
> Arindam Banerjee
themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
a lower price.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 3, 2012, 10:31:24 PM3/3/12
to
Forwarded from another thread:
In article <06fc6d21-81c3-4201...@sc10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <280a5193-99e2-448c-b8b9-2cc07e4bb...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0ArindamBanerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > Padmanabhaswamy temple to open its 'C' vault on Monday
> >
> > > > ANI
> > > > DNA
> > > > Friday, February 24, 2012
> >
> > > > Tiruvanantapuram =3DA0- As per the orders of the Supreme Court, the '=
> C'
> > > > vault of the Padmanabhaswamy temple would be opened on Monday for the
> > > > evaluation and detailed documentation of treasures.
> >
> > > > The Chairman of apex court appointed committee, MV Nair on Friday
> > > > said: "Today we will prepare an inventory of the items in 'E' and 'F'
> > > > vaults. It has been decided to open 'C' vault on Monday. That is the
> > > > present decision."
> >
> > > > The decision was taken at a meeting of the experts' committee
> > > > constituted by the Supreme Court for inventorying and scientifically
> > > > documenting the priceless treasures found in the vaults of the
> > > > temple.
> >
> > > > A group of experts appointed by the Supreme Court began examining on
> > > > Monday treasures unearthed from the Sree Padmanabhaswamy temple last
> > > > year estimated to be around $22 billion.
> >
> > > > The bare-chested men in white mundus entered the 16th-century temple
> > > > under the steely gaze of armed commandos to draw up a list of jewels
> > > > and coins discovered from five subterranean vaults.
> >
> > > > Using laser and digital archiving techniques, members of the panel
> > > > will identify the treasures, standing for days inside a temporary
> > > > control room created by temple authorities for the process to be
> > > > completed.
> >
> > > > The sacks of ornaments, gold and silver coins, stone-studded crowns,
> > > > idols and figurines inlaid with precious stones and jewels have an
> > > > estimated value that is twice what India spent on education last
> > > > year.
> >
> > > > A $22 billion treasure trove unearthed beneath the temple had ignited
> > > > a fierce political and public debate over ownership and how best to
> > > > put the vast wealth to use.
> >
> > > > The 500-year-old temple, dedicated to Lord Vishnu, is unique in terms
> > > > of architecture and mythology [not "mythology" but history,
> > > > spirituality and philosophy - Jai Maharaj], with legends of a curse
> > > > protecting the long-hidden treasure.
> >
> > > > To its rareness, the temple possess six secret 'nilavara' A, B, C, D,
> > > > E and F (vaults to keep the assets safely). Opening of each of these
> > > > cavities reveal a virtual treasure trove with valuable ornaments,
> > > > unusual antique silver and brass dishes and many golden idols of
> > > > deities.
> >
> > > > More at:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_padmanabhaswamy-temple-t=
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> > > lungi stuff. =A0Ugh. =A0It was our worst experience in our recent tour.
> > > They practically forced us to buy stuff for puja, and then performed
> > > no service at all. =A0The temple itself was unremarkable, especially
> > > after seeing the wonderful Meenakshi temple at Madurai. =A0They do not
> > > allow cameras there, for a good reason. =A0Unlike the lovely temples at
> > > Khajuraho, the stone carvings on the pillars that I saw were really
> > > rude and lewd, showing large private organs as opposed to good taste
> > > and education. =A0The temple was covered with tiles, looking more far
> > > eastern than anything Indian. =A0Great use of wood, similarly. =A0We we=
> re
> > > truly rushed around when we entered the inner sanctum to see the huge
> > > reclining form ofPadmanabha, spanning three doors. =A0Could not see
> > > anything, it was too dark and they were pushing us around as the time
> > > was up for darshan. =A0However, they did not mind pausing to collect ou=
> r
> > > dakshina, now that is the real reason for their vast wealth isn't it!
> > > My girls were treated rudely - the paandas hissed at them, shooing
> > > them out like dogs or something when they wanted to see some murals on
> > > the outside of the inner sanctum. =A0They did not like it, of course.
> > > Such hostility on their part made me reluctant to buy any souvenir,
> > > such as a framed photo of the deity, pushed by the merchants at Rs50.
> > > Too much, I said to get away and then they made rude noises!
> >
> > > There was nothing remotely spiritual or holy in the environment, the
> > > pandas looked as smug, ignorant, greedy and grasping as they used to
> > > be in Puri or elsewhere there has been reform since. =A0A most secular
> > > place, indeed, but if nothing else it gives a clue to the causation of
> > > the character of the k-mqw, the cttc se.
> >
> > > As for the vast wealth, that truly belongs to the sweet, simple Hindu
> > > people of Kerala, who have been paying taxes to the king that got
> > > converted into gold. Kerala did not have wars, was not despoiled by
> > > foreigners, so the wealth remained. =A0Unlike in other parts, where the
> > > whole thing was looted by invaders. =A0One has to thank the wisdom and
> > > greatness of the past frugal Hindu kings who have caused such a
> > > terrific windfall to happen. =A0Surely, the status of Hinduism in Keral=
> a
> > > will increase tremendously if the money is to be used to promote Hindu
> > > causes. =A0On the surface, it seems Hinduism has perished there, giving
> > > way to Islam and Christianity. For mosques and churches abound, and as
> > > for that one Hindu temple we had only the bad experience. Bad secular
> > > creatures of Hindu origin, are a even bigger disaster for genuine
> > > Hinduism than professed anti-Hindus.
> >
> > > Still, there is hope. =A0In the morning when we woke up in our houseboa=
> t
> > > in Allepey, among the lovely backwaters, we heard many Hindu chants so
> > > I suppose Hinduism is still alive in Kerala, albeit in the non-urban
> > > areas.
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Dhanyavaad for writing the following:
> >
> > "Surely, the status of Hinduism in Kerala will increase tremendously
> > if the money is to be used to promote Hindu causes." - Arindam Banerjee
> reconvert to the most ardent Hinduism (outdoing you, Jai) when the
> Supreme Court will allocate the funds to Hindus for Hindu purposes.
>
> Note: PHO =3D Person of Hindu Origin
Your comment may suggest to some that I converted or reconverted to
Hinduism (I did not because I have always been a Hindu), unless you
are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
is indeed very high but can always be higher!) But you are correct,
those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
yourself to be a Hindu?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
o o o
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In article <06fc6d21-81c3-4201...@sc10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <280a5193-99e2-448c-b8b9-2cc07e4bb...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0ArindamBanerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > Padmanabhaswamy temple to open its 'C' vault on Monday
> >
> > > > ANI
> > > > DNA
> > > > Friday, February 24, 2012
> >
> > > > Tiruvanantapuram =3DA0- As per the orders of the Supreme Court, the '=
> C'
> > > > vault of the Padmanabhaswamy temple would be opened on Monday for the
> > > > evaluation and detailed documentation of treasures.
> >
> > > > The Chairman of apex court appointed committee, MV Nair on Friday
> > > > said: "Today we will prepare an inventory of the items in 'E' and 'F'
> > > > vaults. It has been decided to open 'C' vault on Monday. That is the
> > > > present decision."
> >
> > > > The decision was taken at a meeting of the experts' committee
> > > > constituted by the Supreme Court for inventorying and scientifically
> > > > documenting the priceless treasures found in the vaults of the
> > > > temple.
> >
> > > > A group of experts appointed by the Supreme Court began examining on
> > > > Monday treasures unearthed from the Sree Padmanabhaswamy temple last
> > > > year estimated to be around $22 billion.
> >
> > > > The bare-chested men in white mundus entered the 16th-century temple
> > > > under the steely gaze of armed commandos to draw up a list of jewels
> > > > and coins discovered from five subterranean vaults.
> >
> > > > Using laser and digital archiving techniques, members of the panel
> > > > will identify the treasures, standing for days inside a temporary
> > > > control room created by temple authorities for the process to be
> > > > completed.
> >
> > > > The sacks of ornaments, gold and silver coins, stone-studded crowns,
> > > > idols and figurines inlaid with precious stones and jewels have an
> > > > estimated value that is twice what India spent on education last
> > > > year.
> >
> > > > A $22 billion treasure trove unearthed beneath the temple had ignited
> > > > a fierce political and public debate over ownership and how best to
> > > > put the vast wealth to use.
> >
> > > > The 500-year-old temple, dedicated to Lord Vishnu, is unique in terms
> > > > of architecture and mythology [not "mythology" but history,
> > > > spirituality and philosophy - Jai Maharaj], with legends of a curse
> > > > protecting the long-hidden treasure.
> >
> > > > To its rareness, the temple possess six secret 'nilavara' A, B, C, D,
> > > > E and F (vaults to keep the assets safely). Opening of each of these
> > > > cavities reveal a virtual treasure trove with valuable ornaments,
> > > > unusual antique silver and brass dishes and many golden idols of
> > > > deities.
> >
> > > > More at:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_padmanabhaswamy-temple-t=
> o-op=3D
> > > en-i...
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
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> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
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> >
> > > lungi stuff. =A0Ugh. =A0It was our worst experience in our recent tour.
> > > They practically forced us to buy stuff for puja, and then performed
> > > no service at all. =A0The temple itself was unremarkable, especially
> > > after seeing the wonderful Meenakshi temple at Madurai. =A0They do not
> > > allow cameras there, for a good reason. =A0Unlike the lovely temples at
> > > Khajuraho, the stone carvings on the pillars that I saw were really
> > > rude and lewd, showing large private organs as opposed to good taste
> > > and education. =A0The temple was covered with tiles, looking more far
> > > eastern than anything Indian. =A0Great use of wood, similarly. =A0We we=
> re
> > > truly rushed around when we entered the inner sanctum to see the huge
> > > reclining form ofPadmanabha, spanning three doors. =A0Could not see
> > > anything, it was too dark and they were pushing us around as the time
> > > was up for darshan. =A0However, they did not mind pausing to collect ou=
> r
> > > dakshina, now that is the real reason for their vast wealth isn't it!
> > > My girls were treated rudely - the paandas hissed at them, shooing
> > > them out like dogs or something when they wanted to see some murals on
> > > the outside of the inner sanctum. =A0They did not like it, of course.
> > > Such hostility on their part made me reluctant to buy any souvenir,
> > > such as a framed photo of the deity, pushed by the merchants at Rs50.
> > > Too much, I said to get away and then they made rude noises!
> >
> > > There was nothing remotely spiritual or holy in the environment, the
> > > pandas looked as smug, ignorant, greedy and grasping as they used to
> > > be in Puri or elsewhere there has been reform since. =A0A most secular
> > > place, indeed, but if nothing else it gives a clue to the causation of
> > > the character of the k-mqw, the cttc se.
> >
> > > As for the vast wealth, that truly belongs to the sweet, simple Hindu
> > > people of Kerala, who have been paying taxes to the king that got
> > > converted into gold. Kerala did not have wars, was not despoiled by
> > > foreigners, so the wealth remained. =A0Unlike in other parts, where the
> > > whole thing was looted by invaders. =A0One has to thank the wisdom and
> > > greatness of the past frugal Hindu kings who have caused such a
> > > terrific windfall to happen. =A0Surely, the status of Hinduism in Keral=
> a
> > > will increase tremendously if the money is to be used to promote Hindu
> > > causes. =A0On the surface, it seems Hinduism has perished there, giving
> > > way to Islam and Christianity. For mosques and churches abound, and as
> > > for that one Hindu temple we had only the bad experience. Bad secular
> > > creatures of Hindu origin, are a even bigger disaster for genuine
> > > Hinduism than professed anti-Hindus.
> >
> > > Still, there is hope. =A0In the morning when we woke up in our houseboa=
> t
> > > in Allepey, among the lovely backwaters, we heard many Hindu chants so
> > > I suppose Hinduism is still alive in Kerala, albeit in the non-urban
> > > areas.
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Dhanyavaad for writing the following:
> >
> > "Surely, the status of Hinduism in Kerala will increase tremendously
> > if the money is to be used to promote Hindu causes." - Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> It is amusing to think with what alacrity the Keralite PHOs will
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> reconvert to the most ardent Hinduism (outdoing you, Jai) when the
> Supreme Court will allocate the funds to Hindus for Hindu purposes.
>
> Note: PHO =3D Person of Hindu Origin
Your comment may suggest to some that I converted or reconverted to
Hinduism (I did not because I have always been a Hindu), unless you
are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
is indeed very high but can always be higher!) But you are correct,
those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
yourself to be a Hindu?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
"Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri) <KalluM...@gmail.com>
tries his best to be a bully -- telling others what and when to post,
where to post and where not to post, deliberately publishing lies
about others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but fails
miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his lap dog Prem
Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah" <us...@this.com>, and issues
*death threats* to people), is priming himself for conditions such as
stroke and heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <jos...@gmail.com> who displays
unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and the instigator who
posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse through eternal-
september.org and by writing someone else's name or handle in the
"From:" header -- their favorite now is "fana...@gmail.com" (note
the extra "b" and "gmail.com") to make it appear as if the posts are
from "fan...@aol.com", who has been a regular poster for many years.
-Updated on February 2, 2012-
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 4, 2012, 1:06:22 AM3/4/12
to
On Mar 4, 7:31 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =A0I have to complete this,
> > > > of course. =A0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Arindam Banerjee
>
> > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> > > staring at the empty page.
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > Thanks. I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> > will be forced to write for money from now on. Let us see what
> > happens. Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
> > hope the public buys!
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing so
> themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
> to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
> a lower price.
Hurrah! Great news!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =A0I have to complete this,
> > > > of course. =A0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Arindam Banerjee
>
> > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> > > staring at the empty page.
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > Thanks. I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> > will be forced to write for money from now on. Let us see what
> > happens. Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
> > hope the public buys!
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing so
> themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
> to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
> a lower price.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 4, 2012, 1:15:31 AM3/4/12
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On Mar 4, 8:31 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
I take people at their word, prima facie. If you say you are a Hindu,
you are a Hindu as far as I am concerned, letting bygones be bygones.
It may well be you are something else pretending to be a Hindu, but
since deep down everyone is Hindu mostly unbeknownst it does not
matter to me.
unless you
> are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
> is indeed very high but can always be higher!)
Point is, in this context that you raised, if you have any latent
superior devotion to other contradictory principles or interests.
But you are correct,
> those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
> about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
> author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
> yourself to be a Hindu?
Of course. Born Hindu Bengali Brahmin, though not quite brought up to
be same until my marriage where I had a proper Bengali Brahmin
ceremony. In due course, I threw out practically all modern Hindu
thoughts, and converted by dint of personal exertion and Divine Grace
to the Hinduism prevalent at the time of Kalidasa - the time when
Hindus were all-conquering superior winners and not whining lazy
littering losers as now. My stay in Australia helped greatly in this
transformation.
Cheers,
> tries his best to be a ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Forwarded from another thread:
>
> In article <06fc6d21-81c3-4201-9f2f-0e13b76d5...@sc10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Forwarded from another thread:
>
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
you are a Hindu as far as I am concerned, letting bygones be bygones.
It may well be you are something else pretending to be a Hindu, but
since deep down everyone is Hindu mostly unbeknownst it does not
matter to me.
unless you
> are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
> is indeed very high but can always be higher!)
superior devotion to other contradictory principles or interests.
But you are correct,
> those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
> about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
> author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
> yourself to be a Hindu?
be same until my marriage where I had a proper Bengali Brahmin
ceremony. In due course, I threw out practically all modern Hindu
thoughts, and converted by dint of personal exertion and Divine Grace
to the Hinduism prevalent at the time of Kalidasa - the time when
Hindus were all-conquering superior winners and not whining lazy
littering losers as now. My stay in Australia helped greatly in this
transformation.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> o o o
>
> About the terrorist Goon Squad:
>
> "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri) <KalluMallu...@gmail.com>
>
> About the terrorist Goon Squad:
>
> tries his best to be a ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 4, 2012, 3:59:25 AM3/4/12
to
In article <5fd27db0-dfc6-436a...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3DA0I have to complete=
> this,
> > > > > of course. =3DA0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =A0Let us see what
> > > happens. =A0Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
A treatment of self-publishing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-publishing
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3DA0I have to complete=
> this,
> > > > > of course. =3DA0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Thanks. =A0I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =A0Let us see what
> > > happens. =A0Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
> > > hope the public buys!
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing so
> > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
> > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
> > a lower price.
> >
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing so
> > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
> > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
> > a lower price.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Hurrah! Great news!
> > Om Shanti
>
A treatment of self-publishing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-publishing
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 4, 2012, 7:47:34 AM3/4/12
to
On Mar 4, 7:25 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
I try to find how desperately the ancients tried to pass on their
ancient wisdom to us. In the form of scripture such as the Vedas, and
also through mythology and symbolism. What does the Ananta Naga
really mean? What is the significance of the lotus emanating from
Lord Vishnu's navel? I explained same to my daughters, using my new
ideas in physics. They were impressed.
So far Kangaroo Island tops the list for us. Lovely beaches, like
Vivonne.
away from our open jeep.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Copy from another thread:
>
> In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888-8075-3764fcc2b...@pz10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Copy from another thread:
>
ancient wisdom to us. In the form of scripture such as the Vedas, and
also through mythology and symbolism. What does the Ananta Naga
really mean? What is the significance of the lotus emanating from
Lord Vishnu's navel? I explained same to my daughters, using my new
ideas in physics. They were impressed.
Vivonne.
>
> > Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. Will depart on the
> > 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping many
> > happy memories with them on their cameras. The photos they have taken
> > are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given what
> > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> > etc.) As I had rather expected, the place most worthy of memory for
> > all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
>
> > " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > so our guide communicated then.
>
> > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> > fine was she... Well, I got a print of a very beautiful Rajasthani
> > woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> > likeness!
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few feet
> > Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. Will depart on the
> > 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping many
> > happy memories with them on their cameras. The photos they have taken
> > are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given what
> > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> > etc.) As I had rather expected, the place most worthy of memory for
> > all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
>
> > " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > so our guide communicated then.
>
> > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> > fine was she... Well, I got a print of a very beautiful Rajasthani
> > woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> > likeness!
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
away from our open jeep.
Myself Mallu, Yourself?
Mar 4, 2012, 9:14:51 AM3/4/12
to
On 3/3/2012 10:15 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Mar 4, 8:31 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
Absolutely smashing exchange between a fraudulent pair.
> On Mar 4, 8:31 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>
>>> It is amusing to think with what alacrity the Keralite PHOs will
>>> reconvert to the most ardent Hinduism (outdoing you, Jai) when the
>>> Supreme Court will allocate the funds to Hindus for Hindu purposes.
>>
>>> Note: PHO =3D Person of Hindu Origin
>>
amongst "jyotishis" too. So the bandar Down Under got something right.
>> Your comment may suggest to some that I converted or reconverted to
>> Hinduism (I did not because I have always been a Hindu),
>
that she has "always been a Hindu." This third-rate piece of lying
garbage has singlehandedly managed to tarnish Hinduism with (apparently
two decades of) 24/7 copy-paste denigrating other faiths, wilful
doctoring of original articles, and a complete lack of knowledge of
scripture (and Sanskrit).
> I take people at their word, prima facie. If you say you are a Hindu,
> you are a Hindu as far as I am concerned, letting bygones be bygones.
> It may well be you are something else pretending to be a Hindu, but
> since deep down everyone is Hindu mostly unbeknownst it does not
> matter to me.
>
third-rate charlatans.
> unless you
>> are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
>> is indeed very high but can always be higher!)
>
India working for Hindu causes she claims to espouse. Devotion to Uncle
Sam's greenbacks are about as high in principles Lady Kaka gets.
> Point is, in this context that you raised, if you have any latent
> superior devotion to other contradictory principles or interests.
>
> But you are correct,
>> those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
>> about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
>> author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
>> yourself to be a Hindu?
>
happen? Can't wait for the "Defend Arindumb" book and movie. The book is
likely to be a collection of chapters copy-pasted (very unethically)
from several sources, including the "forwarding" types.
> Of course. Born Hindu Bengali Brahmin, though not quite brought up to
> be same until my marriage where I had a proper Bengali Brahmin
> ceremony. In due course, I threw out practically all modern Hindu
> thoughts, and converted by dint of personal exertion and Divine Grace
> to the Hinduism prevalent at the time of Kalidasa - the time when
> Hindus were all-conquering superior winners and not whining lazy
> littering losers as now. My stay in Australia helped greatly in this
> transformation.
>
last three years, your "Hinduism Kalidaasya" has been one long whinge
about people not accepting your icky "fizzicks". Save the
holier-than-thou crap for someone more gullible.
--
VB, Ubetjotushy
'ome=shanty
-----
About the Jihadi Loon Squad:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
A jihadi loon is someone like Jade Muckeraj.
"Jade Muckeraj" aka "The Old Cow of Hawaii" <char...@fraudsrus.com>
tries her best to pretend she is a Hindu -- cutting and pasting, and
even doctoring what others post/write about Hindus/Hinduism on the
internet, deliberately pidginizing Sanskrit and providing wrong
translations, inventing brand new books in the Mahabharat (reducing it
to Muckabharat), stalking and abusing people who disagree with her by
hijacking their posts, and then cuts and pastes about Hindu ethics and
moans self-righteously about honesty -- and succeeds spectacularly in
convincing all, except other jihadi loons, that she is not a Hindu.
She is in fact a creepy jihadi loon, who thinks she owns the newsgroup
s.c.indian, and has absolutely no problem slandering anyone. As a
Indian citizen supposedly, she meddles in US political issues, and
advocates civil war in India.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 4, 2012, 11:43:44 AM3/4/12
to
On Mar 4, 1:59 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <5fd27db0-dfc6-436a-acd2-8615d91b3...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
Publicity is the key for success.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <5fd27db0-dfc6-436a-acd2-8615d91b3...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 4, 2012, 1:31:54 PM3/4/12
to
In article <6f657a8d-9fa3-4344...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Copy from another thread:
> >
> > In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888-8075-3764fcc2b...@pz10g2000pbc.googlegroup=
> s.com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <cafe0afd-6a91-48d7-a81a-a40d3ba7a...@f14g2000yqe.=
> goog=3D
> > > legroups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> > > > > > > > > This serial produced by BBC runs into nine parts, and is fu=
> ll
> > > > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long. I w=
> ere
> > > > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? How o=
> > > in every way. =A0One problem is that they do not show all the stuff,
> > > descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. =A0The equipment is nearly
> > > 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. =A0In English they say it
> > > was repaired in 19xx. =A0I suppose there is some reason for this. =A0At
> f
> > > interest to you, Jai. =A0Fortunately for us, Suryadeva was in good form
> > > in those days, wow. =A0The markings in Devanagari were very clear. =A0I
> > [ Varahamihira were associated with =A0Indian astronomy.
> > [ =A0 =A0"It would be surprising for us to know today that this
> > [ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. =A0He wrote in
> > > was the best. =A0Seeing Agnipath in Rajmandir at Jaipur (the best
> > > enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. =A0They wanted t=
> =A0is
beaches are as nice as they are here", to which I say, "Then why
leave Hawaii?" etc.
> > > Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. =A0Will depart on the
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Copy from another thread:
> >
> > In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888-8075-3764fcc2b...@pz10g2000pbc.googlegroup=
> s.com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <cafe0afd-6a91-48d7-a81a-a40d3ba7a...@f14g2000yqe.=
> goog=3D
> > > legroups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> > > > > > > > > This serial produced by BBC runs into nine parts, and is fu=
> ll
> > > > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long. I w=
> as
> > > > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- but it
> > > > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> > > > > > > > I was there when it happened. . . and when the massacres occu=
> > > > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- but it
> > > > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> rred
> > > > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves).
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > How old are you? It happened 65 years ago.
> >
> > > > > > Traditional Jyotishis do not publicize our age or birth data, but=
> > > > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves).
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > How old are you? It happened 65 years ago.
> >
> as
> > > > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here on
> > > > > > s.c.i; and yes those horrible events took place that long ago. Wh=
> > > > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here on
> ere
> > > > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? How o=
> ld
> > > > > > are you?
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Have you seen the jantar-mantar at Jaipur? That was the one place i=
> > > > > > are you?
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> n
> > > > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Yes, I have visited the Jantar Mantar in Jaipur, as also the one in
> > > > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Entry to the Dilli one was free back in 1989 - that being near to the
> > > CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> > > understood anything. =A0The Jaipur complex is much bigger and superior
> > > > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Yes, I have visited the Jantar Mantar in Jaipur, as also the one in
> > > > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Entry to the Dilli one was free back in 1989 - that being near to the
> > > CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> > > in every way. =A0One problem is that they do not show all the stuff,
> > > like sighting scopes, so it is difficult to see what use was actually
> > > made of such equipement. =A0In Jaipur at least they gave some
> > > descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. =A0The equipment is nearly
> > > 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. =A0In English they say it
> > > was repaired in 19xx. =A0I suppose there is some reason for this. =A0At
> > > the end of the day it looks like they were mainly interested in
> > > finding the correct time, for their calender. =A0In Jaipur there was
> > > this unique thing, special equipment for the different signs of the
> > > zodiac. =A0Beats me. =A0But I suppose as an astrologer they should be o=
> f
> > > interest to you, Jai. =A0Fortunately for us, Suryadeva was in good form
> > > and we could read the local time accurately on a dial where the plane
> > > was bent to be in line with the ecliptic. =A0They knew about ecliptics
> > > in those days, wow. =A0The markings in Devanagari were very clear. =A0I
> > > took a photo of a notice which compared Hindu time scales with modern
> > > time scales. =A0Mr Malcolm Fabian of Adelaide once explained how the
> > > pyramids too were used for time computation, as also for referencing
> > > distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> > > flood away the markers so the boundaries would have to be drawn every
> > > time. =A0The ancients were so clever. =A0One system there looks a lot l=
> > > distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> > > flood away the markers so the boundaries would have to be drawn every
> ike
> > > Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things... a
> > > bit beyond me
> >
> > Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
> > print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
> > distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
> > politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
> > astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
> > I often post the following excerpts:
> >
> > [ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
> > [[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > [
> > [ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
> > [ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
> > [ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
> > [ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
> > [ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
> > [ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
> > [ =A0 =A0"Astronomy was then interwoven with astrology and
> > > Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things... a
> > > bit beyond me
> >
> > Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
> > print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
> > distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
> > politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
> > astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
> > I often post the following excerpts:
> >
> > [ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
> > [[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > [
> > [ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
> > [ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
> > [ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
> > [ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
> > [ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
> > [ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
> > [ since ancient times Indians have involved the planets
> > [ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
> > [ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
> > [ considered inauspicious.
> > [ =A0 =A0In the working out of horoscopes (called
> > [ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
> > [ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
> > [ considered inauspicious.
> > [ Janmakundali), the position of the Navagrahas, nine
> > [ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
> > [ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
> > [ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
> > [ astronomical observations and perception based on
> > [ astronomical phenomenon.
> > [ =A0 =A0"In ancient times personalities like Aryabhatta and
> > [ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
> > [ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
> > [ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
> > [ astronomical observations and perception based on
> > [ astronomical phenomenon.
> > [ Varahamihira were associated with =A0Indian astronomy.
> > [ =A0 =A0"It would be surprising for us to know today that this
> > [ science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India
> > [ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
> > [ are same as the sun, that the sun is =A0center of the
> > [ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
> > [ universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the
> > [ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
> > [ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
> > [ [...] Regards =A0 Sudheer
> > [ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
> > [ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
> > [
> > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > And,
> >
> > [ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
> > [ appellations through thirty years of diligent study of the science of
> > [ prediction. =A0He was an expert in both astrology and numerology but
> > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > And,
> >
> > [ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
> > [ appellations through thirty years of diligent study of the science of
> > [ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. =A0He wrote in
> > [ 1949:
> > [
> > [ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this study
> > [ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
> > [ knowledge. =A0Long before Rome or Greece or Israel was even heard of,
> > [
> > [ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this study
> > [ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
> > > cinemal hall in the world) was another great expeience and took me to
> > > the days of my youth. =A0We saw many really real Indians of all shapes
> > > and colours and backgrounds, and one and all appreciated what we were
> > > doing. =A0It is every nri papa's duty to inculcate pro-India sentiments
> > > to his offspring, and that I did, to the satisfaction of hotel
> > > keepers, auto and taxiwallahs, tour guides, agents, restaurant owners,
> > > shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and even
> > > gaping interest as our sort was evidently new to them. =A0They all
> > > keepers, auto and taxiwallahs, tour guides, agents, restaurant owners,
> > > shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and even
> > > enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. =A0They wanted t=
> o
> > > know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> > > convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> > > Bengali height by six inches.. =A0Then we explained we were from
> > > know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> > > convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> > > Australia, a most wonderful country, and then they were satisfied and
> > > plied us with lots of questions. =A0Among an answer worthy of memory =
> =A0is
> > > this, my elder daughter said that India would become a much better
> > > country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> > > clean.
> >
> > A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
> > party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
> > will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
> > and diving trips in the past.
>
> So far Kangaroo Island tops the list for us. Lovely beaches, like
> Vivonne.
So far our conversation has yielded little beyond, "I hope the
> > > country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> > > clean.
> >
> > A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
> > party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
> > will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
> > and diving trips in the past.
>
> So far Kangaroo Island tops the list for us. Lovely beaches, like
> Vivonne.
beaches are as nice as they are here", to which I say, "Then why
leave Hawaii?" etc.
> > > Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. =A0Will depart on the
> > > 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping many
> > > happy memories with them on their cameras. =A0The photos they have taken
> > > are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given what
> > > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> > > etc.) =A0As I had rather expected, the place most worthy of memory for
> > > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> > > all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
> >
> > > " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> > > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > > so our guide communicated then.
> >
> > > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> > > fine was she... =A0Well, I got a print of a very beautiful Rajasthani
> >
> > > " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> > > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > > so our guide communicated then.
> >
> > > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> > > woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> > > likeness!
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
> >
> > > likeness!
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few feet
> away from our open jeep.
Priceless!
> away from our open jeep.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 4, 2012, 1:34:43 PM3/4/12
to
In article <ee48f407-694e-4173...@ow8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> >
> > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =A0I have to complete this,
> > > of course. =A0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> >
> > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =A0I have to complete this,
> > > of course. =A0It is a terrible story, but also deeply personal.
> > > Cheers
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> > staring at the empty pa
> >
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I'm
> > staring at the empty pa
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Thanks. I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> will be forced to write for money from now on. Let us see what
> happens. Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
> hope the public buys!
> Arindam Banerjee
Chidren's books are extremely popular, digital and otherwise.
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Thanks. I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact, so
> will be forced to write for money from now on. Let us see what
> happens. Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really really
> hope the public buys!
> Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 4, 2012, 1:45:45 PM3/4/12
to
In article <10b12423-59c6-431f...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <5fd27db0-dfc6-436a-acd2-8615d91b3...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3D3DA0I have to co=
> mplete=3D
> > > =A0this,
> > > > > > > of course. =3D3DA0It is a terrible story, but also deeply perso=
> so
> > > > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =3DA0Let us see what
> > > > > happens. =3DA0Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really =
who is not quite an A-lister yet was asked recently if she has a sex
tape ready to be "leaked" on the Internet once the publicity campaign
launches for the new TV show in which she's acting.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <5fd27db0-dfc6-436a-acd2-8615d91b3...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.googlegr=
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3D3DA0I have to co=
> mplete=3D
> > > =A0this,
> > > > > > > of course. =3D3DA0It is a terrible story, but also deeply perso=
> nal.
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> > > > > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say when I=
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything and
> 'm
> > > > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Thanks. =3DA0I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in fact,=
> > > > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> so
> > > > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =3DA0Let us see what
> > > > > happens. =3DA0Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I really =
> really
> > > > > hope the public buys!
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing so
> > > > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
> > > > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
> > > > a lower price.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Hurrah! =A0Great news!
> > > > > hope the public buys!
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing so
> > > > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifting
> > > > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to pay
> > > > a lower price.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Publicity is the key for success.
And publicity of any type is effective, evidently. A 'wood actress
who is not quite an A-lister yet was asked recently if she has a sex
tape ready to be "leaked" on the Internet once the publicity campaign
launches for the new TV show in which she's acting.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 5, 2012, 6:32:14 AM3/5/12
to
On Mar 4, 11:45 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <10b12423-59c6-431f-afb2-7774806de...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
Well, I don't see myself engaged in any sex scandal, or for that
matter any sort of scandal, so what else is there? Usenet of course,
but very few seem to be interested any more in the ngs. They are on
facebook and twitter.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <10b12423-59c6-431f-afb2-7774806de...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
matter any sort of scandal, so what else is there? Usenet of course,
but very few seem to be interested any more in the ngs. They are on
facebook and twitter.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 6, 2012, 1:31:54 AM3/6/12
to
A post from another thread:
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[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com>
[ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:05 -0800 (PST)
On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 9:11 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 5, 9:27 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 5, 3:23 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > > How do city people "fool and dominate them"?
>
> > City people are more clever, knowledgeable and unscrupulous on the
> > average as all the rich and powerful people and also the biggest
> > crooks live in the cities. Parliaments making laws for all, exist in
> > cities.
>
> > Each depended on the
>
> > > other for their livelihood. The city people depended on the rural
> > > people to provide them with fresh vegetables and food.
>
> > Yes, But these days with packaging and air freight and liberalisation
> > policies they are less dependent upon the local rurals so the city
> > people have more clout. They can buy cheaply from poorer countries,
> > mine the lands of the rurals, take away their water and forests via
> > pollution and deforestation, etc. When the rurals generate their own
> > power, have enough power, they will be able to stand up to the city
> > people.
>
> > The rural
>
> > > people depended on city people to buy their farm produce. No one can
> > > fool and dominate the other.
>
> > Don't know about China where they do not vote, but in India the city
> > folk make lots of promises, give bribes etc to win the rural voters.
>
> > > > The Internal Force Engine will open up first the solar system
> > > > and then the galaxy to humanity. Mining asteroids, going on
> > > > pleasure trips, etc. will fetch a lot of money and create much
> > > > more sense of space.
>
> > > Now, that IS something I am looking forward to see in reality.
>
> > Well, if the Chinese really want to talk about it I am more than
> > ready.
>
> Hey!!! I think you should make a strong effort to talk to Chinese
> authorities in China about your ideas. I am a 100% behind you on
> this.
My contact details in Australia are:
land/fax: +61397993032
email: adda...@bigpond.com
At the moment I am in Kolkata but will be in Melbourne on the 8th of
this month. If you send me an email with IFE in the header, I will
contact you with a reply and send some preliminary documents.
>
> Gee, I wish I were more knowledgeable about China so I can help you
> get started on your project.
>
> Maybe LT Lee can help. Know any "big wheels" in China, LT Lee? or
> anyone?
I have close relatives in Singapore, who are citizens there and also
my good friends. Incidentally I will be going through Singapore day
after today from Kolkata, flying Singapore Airlines. If you have good
contacts in Singapore definitely there could be a start. In India at
the centre we have only useless grumps and corrupt scum in top places,
so India via institutionalisation is out.
Unfortunately in West Bengal while there is keen interest from the
Govt there is a shortage of cash, but if I get some financial backing
a project here (which can be done cheaply) is very much possible.
Maybe we can help this man get his project rolling to save
> humanity.
Most certainly. I would very much like to give a presentation of my
ideas to the Chinese, and Singapore could well be a start. With
disenchantment relating to Einstein's bullshit ideas on physics now
sinking in, maybe the clever Chinese who are practical too, will
listen to what I have to say. They certainly have the money to build
the prototypes. Internal Force is consistent with their basic
tradition, as shown in Chinese martial films I enjoy watching.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > It is difficult to manipulate humans when they can be so mobile.
>
> > > Fools can be manipulated at will. Just look at all the fools being
> > > manipulated by Uncle Sam!!!
>
> > People don't mind being fools when their supposed interests and
> > prejudices are supported by the authorities.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com>
[ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:05 -0800 (PST)
On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 9:11 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 5, 9:27 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 5, 3:23 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > > How do city people "fool and dominate them"?
>
> > City people are more clever, knowledgeable and unscrupulous on the
> > average as all the rich and powerful people and also the biggest
> > crooks live in the cities. Parliaments making laws for all, exist in
> > cities.
>
> > Each depended on the
>
> > > other for their livelihood. The city people depended on the rural
> > > people to provide them with fresh vegetables and food.
>
> > Yes, But these days with packaging and air freight and liberalisation
> > policies they are less dependent upon the local rurals so the city
> > people have more clout. They can buy cheaply from poorer countries,
> > mine the lands of the rurals, take away their water and forests via
> > pollution and deforestation, etc. When the rurals generate their own
> > power, have enough power, they will be able to stand up to the city
> > people.
>
> > The rural
>
> > > people depended on city people to buy their farm produce. No one can
> > > fool and dominate the other.
>
> > Don't know about China where they do not vote, but in India the city
> > folk make lots of promises, give bribes etc to win the rural voters.
>
> > > > The Internal Force Engine will open up first the solar system
> > > > and then the galaxy to humanity. Mining asteroids, going on
> > > > pleasure trips, etc. will fetch a lot of money and create much
> > > > more sense of space.
>
> > > Now, that IS something I am looking forward to see in reality.
>
> > Well, if the Chinese really want to talk about it I am more than
> > ready.
>
> Hey!!! I think you should make a strong effort to talk to Chinese
> authorities in China about your ideas. I am a 100% behind you on
> this.
My contact details in Australia are:
land/fax: +61397993032
email: adda...@bigpond.com
At the moment I am in Kolkata but will be in Melbourne on the 8th of
this month. If you send me an email with IFE in the header, I will
contact you with a reply and send some preliminary documents.
>
> Gee, I wish I were more knowledgeable about China so I can help you
> get started on your project.
>
> Maybe LT Lee can help. Know any "big wheels" in China, LT Lee? or
> anyone?
I have close relatives in Singapore, who are citizens there and also
my good friends. Incidentally I will be going through Singapore day
after today from Kolkata, flying Singapore Airlines. If you have good
contacts in Singapore definitely there could be a start. In India at
the centre we have only useless grumps and corrupt scum in top places,
so India via institutionalisation is out.
Unfortunately in West Bengal while there is keen interest from the
Govt there is a shortage of cash, but if I get some financial backing
a project here (which can be done cheaply) is very much possible.
Maybe we can help this man get his project rolling to save
> humanity.
Most certainly. I would very much like to give a presentation of my
ideas to the Chinese, and Singapore could well be a start. With
disenchantment relating to Einstein's bullshit ideas on physics now
sinking in, maybe the clever Chinese who are practical too, will
listen to what I have to say. They certainly have the money to build
the prototypes. Internal Force is consistent with their basic
tradition, as shown in Chinese martial films I enjoy watching.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > It is difficult to manipulate humans when they can be so mobile.
>
> > > Fools can be manipulated at will. Just look at all the fools being
> > > manipulated by Uncle Sam!!!
>
> > People don't mind being fools when their supposed interests and
> > prejudices are supported by the authorities.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 6, 2012, 1:36:27 AM3/6/12
to
In article <4bb2569d-57b7-44f9...@pz2g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <10b12423-59c6-431f-afb2-7774806de...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.=
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > oups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3D3D3DA0I have=
> to co=3D
> > > mplete=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0this,
> > > > > > > > > of course. =3D3D3DA0It is a terrible story, but also deeply=
> perso=3D
> > > nal.
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything an=
> d
> > > > > > > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say wh=
> en I=3D
> fact,=3D
> > > =A0so
> > > > > > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =3D3DA0Let us se=
> e what
> > > > > > > happens. =3D3DA0Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I r=
> eally =3D
> so
> > > > > > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifti=
> ng
> > > > > > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to=
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <10b12423-59c6-431f-afb2-7774806de...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <5fd27db0-dfc6-436a-acd2-8615d91b3...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegr=
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > oups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3D3D3DA0I have=
> to co=3D
> > > mplete=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0this,
> > > > > > > > > of course. =3D3D3DA0It is a terrible story, but also deeply=
> perso=3D
> > > nal.
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everything an=
> d
> > > > > > > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always say wh=
> en I=3D
> > > 'm
> > > > > > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks. =3D3DA0I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a bit in=
> > > > > > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> fact,=3D
> > > =A0so
> > > > > > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =3D3DA0Let us se=
> e what
> > > > > > > happens. =3D3DA0Self-publishing is the only way out for me, I r=
> eally =3D
> > > really
> > > > > > > hope the public buys!
> > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by doing =
> > > > > > > hope the public buys!
> > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> so
> > > > > > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is shifti=
> ng
> > > > > > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by having to=
> pay
> > > > > > a lower price.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Hurrah! =3DA0Great news!
> > > > > > a lower price.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> >
> > > > A treatment of self-publishing:
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-publishing
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Publicity is the key for success.
> >
> > And publicity of any type is effective, evidently. A 'wood actress
> > who is not quite an A-lister yet was asked recently if she has a sex
> > tape ready to be "leaked" on the Internet once the publicity campaign
> > launches for the new TV show in which she's acting.
> >
> > > > A treatment of self-publishing:
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-publishing
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Publicity is the key for success.
> >
> > And publicity of any type is effective, evidently. A 'wood actress
> > who is not quite an A-lister yet was asked recently if she has a sex
> > tape ready to be "leaked" on the Internet once the publicity campaign
> > launches for the new TV show in which she's acting.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> > Om Shanti
>
> Well, I don't see myself engaged in any sex scandal, or for that
> matter any sort of scandal, so what else is there? Usenet of course,
> but very few seem to be interested any more in the ngs. They are on
> facebook and twitter.
You are correct of course. Are you active on Facebook and Twitter?
> matter any sort of scandal, so what else is there? Usenet of course,
> but very few seem to be interested any more in the ngs. They are on
> facebook and twitter.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 6, 2012, 1:46:01 AM3/6/12
to
In article <5a344aee-42bb-40a7...@qb4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Forwarded from another thread:
> >
> > In article <06fc6d21-81c3-4201-9f2f-0e13b76d5...@sc10g2000pbc.googlegroup=
> s.com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <280a5193-99e2-448c-b8b9-2cc07e4bb...@b18g2000vbz.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0ArindamBanerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> the '=3D
> > > C'
> > > > > > vault of the Padmanabhaswamy temple would be opened on Monday for=
> 'F'
> > > > > > vaults. It has been decided to open 'C' vault on Monday. That is =
> on
> > > > > > Monday treasures unearthed from the Sree Padmanabhaswamy temple l=
> ple
> > > > > > under the steely gaze of armed commandos to draw up a list of jew=
> ns,
> > > > > > idols and figurines inlaid with precious stones and jewels have a=
> ited
> > > > > > a fierce political and public debate over ownership and how best =
> , D,
> > > > > > E and F (vaults to keep the assets safely). Opening of each of th=
> le-t=3D
> > > o-op=3D3D
> be fairly u=3D
> > > sed for the =3D3D
> > > > > educational
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> > > > > after seeing the wonderful Meenakshi temple at Madurai. =3DA0They d=
> o not
> > > > > allow cameras there, for a good reason. =3DA0Unlike the lovely temp=
> e
> > > > > and education. =3DA0The temple was covered with tiles, looking more=
> far
> > > > > eastern than anything Indian. =3DA0Great use of wood, similarly. =
> =3DA0We we=3D
> > > re
> > > > > truly rushed around when we entered the inner sanctum to see the hu=
> ge
> > > > > reclining form ofPadmanabha, spanning three doors. =3DA0Could not s=
> ee
> > > > > anything, it was too dark and they were pushing us around as the ti=
> me
> > > > > was up for darshan. =3DA0However, they did not mind pausing to coll=
> ect ou=3D
> > > r
> > > > > dakshina, now that is the real reason for their vast wealth isn't i=
> on
> > > > > the outside of the inner sanctum. =3DA0They did not like it, of cou=
> e
> > > > > pandas looked as smug, ignorant, greedy and grasping as they used t=
> o
> > > > > be in Puri or elsewhere there has been reform since. =3DA0A most se=
> cular
> > > > > place, indeed, but if nothing else it gives a clue to the causation=
> re the
> > > > > whole thing was looted by invaders. =3DA0One has to thank the wisdo=
> Keral=3D
> > > a
> > > > > will increase tremendously if the money is to be used to promote Hi=
> ndu
> > > > > causes. =3DA0On the surface, it seems Hinduism has perished there, =
> giving
> > > > > way to Islam and Christianity. For mosques and churches abound, and=
> as
> > > > > for that one Hindu temple we had only the bad experience. Bad secul=
> useboa=3D
> > > t
> > > > > in Allepey, among the lovely backwaters, we heard many Hindu chants=
> so
> > > > > I suppose Hinduism is still alive in Kerala, albeit in the non-urba=
Hindu family in U.P., and have always maintained a Hindu household.
> > unless you
> > are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
> > is indeed very high but can always be higher!)
>
> Point is, in this context that you raised, if you have any latent
> superior devotion to other contradictory principles or interests.
None such ever.
> > But you are correct,
> > those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
> > about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
> > author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
> > yourself to be a Hindu?
> >
True Hindus are hard to find in the general population.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> > o o o
> >
> > About the terrorist Goon Squad:
> >
> > "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri) <KalluMallu...@gmail.com>
> > tries his best to be a ...
> >
> > read more =BB- Hide quoted text -
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Forwarded from another thread:
> >
> > In article <06fc6d21-81c3-4201-9f2f-0e13b76d5...@sc10g2000pbc.googlegroup=
> s.com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <280a5193-99e2-448c-b8b9-2cc07e4bb...@b18g2000vbz.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0ArindamBanerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > Padmanabhaswamy temple to open its 'C' vault on Monday
> >
> > > > > > ANI
> > > > > > DNA
> > > > > > Friday, February 24, 2012
> >
> > > > > > Tiruvanantapuram =3D3DA0- As per the orders of the Supreme Court,=
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > Padmanabhaswamy temple to open its 'C' vault on Monday
> >
> > > > > > ANI
> > > > > > DNA
> > > > > > Friday, February 24, 2012
> >
> the '=3D
> > > C'
> > > > > > vault of the Padmanabhaswamy temple would be opened on Monday for=
> the
> > > > > > evaluation and detailed documentation of treasures.
> >
> > > > > > The Chairman of apex court appointed committee, MV Nair on Friday
> > > > > > said: "Today we will prepare an inventory of the items in 'E' and=
> > > > > > evaluation and detailed documentation of treasures.
> >
> > > > > > The Chairman of apex court appointed committee, MV Nair on Friday
> 'F'
> > > > > > vaults. It has been decided to open 'C' vault on Monday. That is =
> the
> > > > > > present decision."
> >
> > > > > > The decision was taken at a meeting of the experts' committee
> > > > > > constituted by the Supreme Court for inventorying and scientifica=
> > > > > > present decision."
> >
> > > > > > The decision was taken at a meeting of the experts' committee
> lly
> > > > > > documenting the priceless treasures found in the vaults of the
> > > > > > temple.
> >
> > > > > > A group of experts appointed by the Supreme Court began examining=
> > > > > > documenting the priceless treasures found in the vaults of the
> > > > > > temple.
> >
> on
> > > > > > Monday treasures unearthed from the Sree Padmanabhaswamy temple l=
> ast
> > > > > > year estimated to be around $22 billion.
> >
> > > > > > The bare-chested men in white mundus entered the 16th-century tem=
> > > > > > year estimated to be around $22 billion.
> >
> ple
> > > > > > under the steely gaze of armed commandos to draw up a list of jew=
> els
> > > > > > and coins discovered from five subterranean vaults.
> >
> > > > > > Using laser and digital archiving techniques, members of the pane=
> > > > > > and coins discovered from five subterranean vaults.
> >
> l
> > > > > > will identify the treasures, standing for days inside a temporary
> > > > > > control room created by temple authorities for the process to be
> > > > > > completed.
> >
> > > > > > The sacks of ornaments, gold and silver coins, stone-studded crow=
> > > > > > will identify the treasures, standing for days inside a temporary
> > > > > > control room created by temple authorities for the process to be
> > > > > > completed.
> >
> ns,
> > > > > > idols and figurines inlaid with precious stones and jewels have a=
> n
> > > > > > estimated value that is twice what India spent on education last
> > > > > > year.
> >
> > > > > > A $22 billion treasure trove unearthed beneath the temple had ign=
> > > > > > estimated value that is twice what India spent on education last
> > > > > > year.
> >
> ited
> > > > > > a fierce political and public debate over ownership and how best =
> to
> > > > > > put the vast wealth to use.
> >
> > > > > > The 500-year-old temple, dedicated to Lord Vishnu, is unique in t=
> > > > > > put the vast wealth to use.
> >
> erms
> > > > > > of architecture and mythology [not "mythology" but history,
> > > > > > spirituality and philosophy - Jai Maharaj], with legends of a cur=
> > > > > > of architecture and mythology [not "mythology" but history,
> se
> > > > > > protecting the long-hidden treasure.
> >
> > > > > > To its rareness, the temple possess six secret 'nilavara' A, B, C=
> > > > > > protecting the long-hidden treasure.
> >
> , D,
> > > > > > E and F (vaults to keep the assets safely). Opening of each of th=
> ese
> > > > > > cavities reveal a virtual treasure trove with valuable ornaments,
> > > > > > unusual antique silver and brass dishes and many golden idols of
> > > > > > deities.
> >
> > > > > > More at:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_padmanabhaswamy-temp=
> > > > > > cavities reveal a virtual treasure trove with valuable ornaments,
> > > > > > unusual antique silver and brass dishes and many golden idols of
> > > > > > deities.
> >
> le-t=3D
> > > o-op=3D3D
> > > > > en-i...
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
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> > > > > > Om Shanti
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> > > > > Went there recently - had to take off my clothes and wear the white
> nt tour.
> > > > > They practically forced us to buy stuff for puja, and then performe=
> d
> > > > > no service at all. =3DA0The temple itself was unremarkable, especia=
> lly
> > > > > after seeing the wonderful Meenakshi temple at Madurai. =3DA0They d=
> o not
> > > > > allow cameras there, for a good reason. =3DA0Unlike the lovely temp=
> les at
> > > > > Khajuraho, the stone carvings on the pillars that I saw were really
> > > > > rude and lewd, showing large private organs as opposed to good tast=
> > > > > Khajuraho, the stone carvings on the pillars that I saw were really
> e
> > > > > and education. =3DA0The temple was covered with tiles, looking more=
> far
> > > > > eastern than anything Indian. =3DA0Great use of wood, similarly. =
> =3DA0We we=3D
> > > re
> > > > > truly rushed around when we entered the inner sanctum to see the hu=
> ge
> > > > > reclining form ofPadmanabha, spanning three doors. =3DA0Could not s=
> ee
> > > > > anything, it was too dark and they were pushing us around as the ti=
> me
> > > > > was up for darshan. =3DA0However, they did not mind pausing to coll=
> ect ou=3D
> > > r
> > > > > dakshina, now that is the real reason for their vast wealth isn't i=
> t!
> > > > > My girls were treated rudely - the paandas hissed at them, shooing
> > > > > them out like dogs or something when they wanted to see some murals=
> > > > > My girls were treated rudely - the paandas hissed at them, shooing
> on
> > > > > the outside of the inner sanctum. =3DA0They did not like it, of cou=
> rse.
> > > > > Such hostility on their part made me reluctant to buy any souvenir,
> > > > > such as a framed photo of the deity, pushed by the merchants at Rs5=
> > > > > Such hostility on their part made me reluctant to buy any souvenir,
> 0.
> > > > > Too much, I said to get away and then they made rude noises!
> >
> > > > > There was nothing remotely spiritual or holy in the environment, th=
> > > > > Too much, I said to get away and then they made rude noises!
> >
> e
> > > > > pandas looked as smug, ignorant, greedy and grasping as they used t=
> o
> > > > > be in Puri or elsewhere there has been reform since. =3DA0A most se=
> cular
> > > > > place, indeed, but if nothing else it gives a clue to the causation=
> of
> > > > > the character of the k-mqw, the cttc se.
> >
> > > > > As for the vast wealth, that truly belongs to the sweet, simple Hin=
> > > > > the character of the k-mqw, the cttc se.
> >
> du
> > > > > people of Kerala, who have been paying taxes to the king that got
> > > > > converted into gold. Kerala did not have wars, was not despoiled by
> > > > > foreigners, so the wealth remained. =3DA0Unlike in other parts, whe=
> > > > > people of Kerala, who have been paying taxes to the king that got
> > > > > converted into gold. Kerala did not have wars, was not despoiled by
> re the
> > > > > whole thing was looted by invaders. =3DA0One has to thank the wisdo=
> m and
> > > > > greatness of the past frugal Hindu kings who have caused such a
> > > > > terrific windfall to happen. =3DA0Surely, the status of Hinduism in=
> > > > > greatness of the past frugal Hindu kings who have caused such a
> Keral=3D
> > > a
> > > > > will increase tremendously if the money is to be used to promote Hi=
> ndu
> > > > > causes. =3DA0On the surface, it seems Hinduism has perished there, =
> giving
> > > > > way to Islam and Christianity. For mosques and churches abound, and=
> as
> > > > > for that one Hindu temple we had only the bad experience. Bad secul=
> ar
> > > > > creatures of Hindu origin, are a even bigger disaster for genuine
> > > > > Hinduism than professed anti-Hindus.
> >
> > > > > Still, there is hope. =3DA0In the morning when we woke up in our ho=
> > > > > creatures of Hindu origin, are a even bigger disaster for genuine
> > > > > Hinduism than professed anti-Hindus.
> >
> useboa=3D
> > > t
> > > > > in Allepey, among the lovely backwaters, we heard many Hindu chants=
> so
> > > > > I suppose Hinduism is still alive in Kerala, albeit in the non-urba=
> n
> > > > > areas.
> >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Dhanyavaad for writing the following:
> >
> > > > "Surely, the status of Hinduism in Kerala will increase tremendously
> > > > if the money is to be used to promote Hindu causes." - Arindam Banerj=
> > > > > areas.
> >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Dhanyavaad for writing the following:
> >
> > > > "Surely, the status of Hinduism in Kerala will increase tremendously
> ee
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > It is amusing to think with what alacrity the Keralite PHOs will
> > > reconvert to the most ardent Hinduism (outdoing you, Jai) when the
> > > Supreme Court will allocate the funds to Hindus for Hindu purposes.
> >
> > > Note: PHO =3D3D Person of Hindu Origin
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > It is amusing to think with what alacrity the Keralite PHOs will
> > > reconvert to the most ardent Hinduism (outdoing you, Jai) when the
> > > Supreme Court will allocate the funds to Hindus for Hindu purposes.
> >
> >
> > Your comment may suggest to some that I converted or reconverted to
> > Hinduism (I did not because I have always been a Hindu),
>
> I take people at their word, prima facie. If you say you are a Hindu,
> you are a Hindu as far as I am concerned, letting bygones be bygones.
> It may well be you are something else pretending to be a Hindu, but
> since deep down everyone is Hindu mostly unbeknownst it does not
> matter to me.
No I am not pretending to be a Hindu; I was born and raised in a
> > Your comment may suggest to some that I converted or reconverted to
> > Hinduism (I did not because I have always been a Hindu),
>
> I take people at their word, prima facie. If you say you are a Hindu,
> you are a Hindu as far as I am concerned, letting bygones be bygones.
> It may well be you are something else pretending to be a Hindu, but
> since deep down everyone is Hindu mostly unbeknownst it does not
> matter to me.
Hindu family in U.P., and have always maintained a Hindu household.
> > unless you
> > are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
> > is indeed very high but can always be higher!)
>
> Point is, in this context that you raised, if you have any latent
> superior devotion to other contradictory principles or interests.
> > But you are correct,
> > those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
> > about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
> > author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
> > yourself to be a Hindu?
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> > Om Shanti
>
> Of course. Born Hindu Bengali Brahmin, though not quite brought up to
> be same until my marriage where I had a proper Bengali Brahmin
> ceremony. In due course, I threw out practically all modern Hindu
> thoughts, and converted by dint of personal exertion and Divine Grace
> to the Hinduism prevalent at the time of Kalidasa - the time when
> Hindus were all-conquering superior winners and not whining lazy
> littering losers as now. My stay in Australia helped greatly in this
> transformation.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
The losers you mention I call "pseudo-Hindus" and "anti-Hindus".
> be same until my marriage where I had a proper Bengali Brahmin
> ceremony. In due course, I threw out practically all modern Hindu
> thoughts, and converted by dint of personal exertion and Divine Grace
> to the Hinduism prevalent at the time of Kalidasa - the time when
> Hindus were all-conquering superior winners and not whining lazy
> littering losers as now. My stay in Australia helped greatly in this
> transformation.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
True Hindus are hard to find in the general population.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> > o o o
> >
> > About the terrorist Goon Squad:
> >
> > "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri) <KalluMallu...@gmail.com>
> > tries his best to be a ...
> >
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 6, 2012, 7:23:21 AM3/6/12
to
On Mar 6, 11:46 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <5a344aee-42bb-40a7-acaa-5709884d8...@qb4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
Very good. Right now I am in my mother's ashram and enjoying the very
best pure vegetarian food, sans onion and garlic. Incredible.
Nothing like this in the whole world.
> > > unless you
> > > are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
> > > is indeed very high but can always be higher!)
>
> > Point is, in this context that you raised, if you have any latent
> > superior devotion to other contradictory principles or interests.
>
> None such ever.
Very good, then.
> > > But you are correct,
> > > those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
> > > about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
> > > author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
> > > yourself to be a Hindu?
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > Of course. Born Hindu Bengali Brahmin, though not quite brought up to
> > be same until my marriage where I had a proper Bengali Brahmin
> > ceremony. In due course, I threw out practically all modern Hindu
> > thoughts, and converted by dint of personal exertion and Divine Grace
> > to the Hinduism prevalent at the time of Kalidasa - the time when
> > Hindus were all-conquering superior winners and not whining lazy
> > littering losers as now. My stay in Australia helped greatly in this
> > transformation.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> The losers you mention I call "pseudo-Hindus" and "anti-Hindus".
>
> True Hindus are hard to find in the general population.
Yes, true Hindus (who do not give primary importance to temples and
idols, worship the Divine in all aspects of Nature, have supreme
regard for Vedic literature as opposed to ritual that they do not
understand just blindly follow) are probably the most insignificant
minority in India, numerically.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <5a344aee-42bb-40a7-acaa-5709884d8...@qb4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
best pure vegetarian food, sans onion and garlic. Incredible.
Nothing like this in the whole world.
> > > unless you
> > > are referring to the degree of my devotion to Hindu principles, which
> > > is indeed very high but can always be higher!)
>
> > Point is, in this context that you raised, if you have any latent
> > superior devotion to other contradictory principles or interests.
>
> None such ever.
> > > But you are correct,
> > > those money-seekers will do anything to get their hands on it. What
> > > about you, and I ask this from the point of view of view as the
> > > author of "Defend Arindam" (working title) -- do you consider
> > > yourself to be a Hindu?
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > Of course. Born Hindu Bengali Brahmin, though not quite brought up to
> > be same until my marriage where I had a proper Bengali Brahmin
> > ceremony. In due course, I threw out practically all modern Hindu
> > thoughts, and converted by dint of personal exertion and Divine Grace
> > to the Hinduism prevalent at the time of Kalidasa - the time when
> > Hindus were all-conquering superior winners and not whining lazy
> > littering losers as now. My stay in Australia helped greatly in this
> > transformation.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> The losers you mention I call "pseudo-Hindus" and "anti-Hindus".
>
> True Hindus are hard to find in the general population.
idols, worship the Divine in all aspects of Nature, have supreme
regard for Vedic literature as opposed to ritual that they do not
understand just blindly follow) are probably the most insignificant
minority in India, numerically.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 6, 2012, 7:25:00 AM3/6/12
to
On Mar 6, 11:36 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <4bb2569d-57b7-44f9-bea6-d591c80d1...@pz2g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
No, somehow I never got started on them. Usenet suits me, but I am
told that the world has moved on...
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <4bb2569d-57b7-44f9-bea6-d591c80d1...@pz2g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
told that the world has moved on...
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 7, 2012, 8:56:31 PM3/7/12
to
In article <9101510c-ac02-485a...@to5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
> > In article <4bb2569d-57b7-44f9-bea6-d591c80d1...@pz2g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > > > In article <10b12423-59c6-431f-afb2-7774806de...@t6g2000pba.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3D3D3D3DA0=
> I have=3D
> > > =A0to co=3D3D
> > > > > mplete=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0this,
> > > > > > > > > > > of course. =3D3D3D3DA0It is a terrible story, but also =
> deeply=3D
> > > =A0perso=3D3D
> > > > > nal.
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everythin=
> g an=3D
> > > d
> > > > > > > > > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always sa=
> y wh=3D
> > > en I=3D3D
> bit in=3D
> > > =A0fact,=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0so
> > > > > > > > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =3D3D3DA0Let=
> us se=3D
> > > e what
> > > > > > > > > happens. =3D3D3DA0Self-publishing is the only way out for m=
> e, I r=3D
> > > eally =3D3D
> ing =3D
> > > so
> > > > > > > > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is sh=
> ifti=3D
> > > ng
> > > > > > > > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by havin=
> g to=3D
> > > =A0pay
> > > but very few seem to be interested any more in the ngs. =A0They are on
A quotation:
"Big innovation lives right on the edge of ridiculous ideas." - Brendan Boyle
Jai Maharaj
Om Shanti
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
> > In article <4bb2569d-57b7-44f9-bea6-d591c80d1...@pz2g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > > > In article <10b12423-59c6-431f-afb2-7774806de...@t6g2000pba.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <5fd27db0-dfc6-436a-acd2-8615d91b3...@wb9g2000pbc.goog=
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> legr=3D
> > > oups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > oups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <ee48f407-694e-4173-a621-5a532ccb9...@ow8g2000pbc.=
> goog=3D
> > > legr=3D3D
> > > > > oups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> > > legr=3D3D
> > > > > oups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, nice to know this is still remembered! =3D3D3D3DA0=
> I have=3D
> > > =A0to co=3D3D
> > > > > mplete=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0this,
> > > > > > > > > > > of course. =3D3D3D3DA0It is a terrible story, but also =
> deeply=3D
> > > =A0perso=3D3D
> > > > > nal.
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Sure it's still there: the Internet "remembers" everythin=
> g an=3D
> > > d
> > > > > > > > > > collects most everything. "Write on!" is what I always sa=
> y wh=3D
> > > en I=3D3D
> > > > > 'm
> > > > > > > > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks. =3D3D3DA0I need money to fulfil my dreams, quite a =
> > > > > > > > > > staring at the empty page.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> bit in=3D
> > > =A0fact,=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0so
> > > > > > > > > will be forced to write for money from now on. =3D3D3DA0Let=
> us se=3D
> > > e what
> > > > > > > > > happens. =3D3D3DA0Self-publishing is the only way out for m=
> e, I r=3D
> > > eally =3D3D
> > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > hope the public buys!
> > > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > > > Several bestselling authors now promote self-publishing by do=
> > > > > > > > > hope the public buys!
> > > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> ing =3D
> > > so
> > > > > > > > themselves. The flow of power and money in the industry is sh=
> ifti=3D
> > > ng
> > > > > > > > to the individual author. The consumer also benefits by havin=
> g to=3D
> > > =A0pay
> > > > > > > > a lower price.
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > Hurrah! =3D3DA0Great news!
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> >
> > > > > > A treatment of self-publishing:
> >
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-publishing
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Publicity is the key for success.
> >
> > > > And publicity of any type is effective, evidently. A 'wood actress
> > > > who is not quite an A-lister yet was asked recently if she has a sex
> > > > tape ready to be "leaked" on the Internet once the publicity campaign
> > > > launches for the new TV show in which she's acting.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Well, I don't see myself engaged in any sex scandal, or for that
> > > matter any sort of scandal, so what else is there? =A0Usenet of course,
> > > > > > A treatment of self-publishing:
> >
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-publishing
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Publicity is the key for success.
> >
> > > > And publicity of any type is effective, evidently. A 'wood actress
> > > > who is not quite an A-lister yet was asked recently if she has a sex
> > > > tape ready to be "leaked" on the Internet once the publicity campaign
> > > > launches for the new TV show in which she's acting.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Well, I don't see myself engaged in any sex scandal, or for that
> > > but very few seem to be interested any more in the ngs. =A0They are on
> > > facebook and twitter.
> >
> > You are correct of course. Are you active on Facebook and Twitter?
> >
> >
> > You are correct of course. Are you active on Facebook and Twitter?
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> > Om Shanti
>
> No, somehow I never got started on them. Usenet suits me, but I am
> told that the world has moved on...
Many have, many have not.
> told that the world has moved on...
A quotation:
"Big innovation lives right on the edge of ridiculous ideas." - Brendan Boyle
Jai Maharaj
Om Shanti
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 9, 2012, 12:16:03 AM3/9/12
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I am not alone in supporting Arindam Banerjee's efforts.
See the post appended below.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Copy of post from another thread:
[ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
[ anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on his project? You
[ know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. Here is a
[ starting point!!!
[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com[
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.singapore
[ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:00:16 -0800 (PST)
[
[
[ On Mar 7, 2:45 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
[ [ baldeagle, LT Lee, anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get
[ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expanding
[ [ humanity thru the universe. Here is a starting point!!!
[ [
[ [ On Mar 5, 9:46 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
[ [
[ [
[ [
[ [ [ [ Hey!!! I think you should make a strong effort to talk to Chinese
[ [
[ [ [ At the moment I am in Kolkata but will be in Melbourne on the 8th of
[ [ [ Arindam Banerjee- Hide quoted text -
[ Well I am in Singapore Changi airport right now, writing from your
[ great terminal T2 enroute to T3 for my Melbourne flight. Singapore is
[ as clean and efficient as ever. Hopefully I will be back if there is
[ some interest in my new ideas in physics, to begin with about the one
[ where I throw out the entire nonsense of einsteinian relativity using
[ deductive logic to find a subtle bungle in the analysis of the mmi
[ experiment. At the least I expect a fair hearing. Once we clear the
[ rubbish out, we can plan and execute great new technologies using
[ superior physics.
[
[ Cheers,
[ Arindam Banerjee
End of Copy.
See the post appended below.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
[ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
[ anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on his project? You
[ know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. Here is a
[ starting point!!!
[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com[
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.singapore
[ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:00:16 -0800 (PST)
[
[
[ On Mar 7, 2:45 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
[ [ baldeagle, LT Lee, anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get
[ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expanding
[ [ humanity thru the universe. Here is a starting point!!!
[ [
[ [ On Mar 5, 9:46 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
[ [
[ [
[ [
[ [ [ On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
[ [ [ [ On Mar 5, 9:11 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
[ [
[ [ [ [ On Mar 5, 9:11 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
[ [ [ [ Hey!!! I think you should make a strong effort to talk to Chinese
[ [ [ [ authorities in China about your ideas. I am a 100% behind you on
[ [ [ [ this.
[ [
[ [ [ My contact details in Australia are:
[ [
[ [ [ land/fax: +61397993032
[ [ [ email: adda1...@bigpond.com
[ [ [ [ this.
[ [
[ [ [ My contact details in Australia are:
[ [
[ [ [ land/fax: +61397993032
[ [
[ [ [ At the moment I am in Kolkata but will be in Melbourne on the 8th of
[ [
[ [ - Show quoted text -
[
[ [ - Show quoted text -
[ Well I am in Singapore Changi airport right now, writing from your
[ great terminal T2 enroute to T3 for my Melbourne flight. Singapore is
[ as clean and efficient as ever. Hopefully I will be back if there is
[ some interest in my new ideas in physics, to begin with about the one
[ where I throw out the entire nonsense of einsteinian relativity using
[ deductive logic to find a subtle bungle in the analysis of the mmi
[ experiment. At the least I expect a fair hearing. Once we clear the
[ rubbish out, we can plan and execute great new technologies using
[ superior physics.
[
[ Cheers,
[ Arindam Banerjee
End of Copy.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 9, 2012, 2:51:06 AM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 4:16 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.singapore
Thanks for this, Jai. Now I am safely back after a very exciting ten
weeks in India. This weekend I will be out of station, near
Queensland but come next week
it will be hard work till my holiday next month...
I will need the help of all my friends and well-wishers to succeed, of
course.
With regards,
Arindam
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> I am not alone in supporting Arindam Banerjee's efforts.
> See the post appended below.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Copy of post from another thread:
>
> [ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
> [ anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on his project? You
> [ know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. Here is a
> [ starting point!!!
> [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[
> I am not alone in supporting Arindam Banerjee's efforts.
> See the post appended below.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Copy of post from another thread:
>
> [ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
> [ anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on his project? You
> [ know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. Here is a
> [ starting point!!!
> [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.singapore
weeks in India. This weekend I will be out of station, near
Queensland but come next week
it will be hard work till my holiday next month...
I will need the help of all my friends and well-wishers to succeed, of
course.
With regards,
Arindam
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 12, 2012, 5:44:49 PM3/12/12
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In article <0d5774e9-fc23-450b...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
> > [ =A0know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. =
> Here is a
> > [ =A0starting point!!!
> > [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[
> > [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,so=
> c.culture.singap=ADore
> ese
> > [ [ [ [ authorities in China about your ideas. =A0I am a 100% behind you =
> f
> > [ [ [ this month. =A0If you send me an email with IFE in the header, I wi=
> or
> > [ [ [ [ anyone?
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ I have close relatives in Singapore, who are citizens there and als=
> o
> > [ [ [ my good friends. =A0Incidentally I will be going through Singapore =
> day
> > [ [ [ after today from Kolkata, flying Singapore Airlines. =A0If you have=
> good
> > [ [ [ contacts in Singapore definitely there could be a start. =A0In Indi=
> a at
> > [ [ [ the centre we have only useless grumps and corrupt scum in top plac=
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ [ humanity.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ Most certainly. =A0I would very much like to give a presentation of=
> uild
> > [ [ [ the prototypes. =A0Internal Force is consistent with their basic
its perusal all the reports that you have posted of your
trip. Of course, it is a crime to do so without also
posting relevant pictures on the web somewhere. So you're
going on another holiday next month: that's the way to
live! Another is to try to always do what you love and
actually live in the world's most visited holiday spot,
which describes my situation.
Namaskar, and Aloha from Hawaii.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
> > I am not alone in supporting Arindam Banerjee's efforts.
> > See the post appended below.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Copy of post from another thread:
> >
> > [ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
> > [ =A0anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on his project? You
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
> > I am not alone in supporting Arindam Banerjee's efforts.
> > See the post appended below.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Copy of post from another thread:
> >
> > [ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
> > [ =A0know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. =
> Here is a
> > [ =A0starting point!!!
> > [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[
> > [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,so=
> c.culture.singap=ADore
> > [ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:00:16 -0800 (PST)
> > [
> > [
> > [ On Mar 7, 2:45 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> > [ [ baldeagle, LT Lee, anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get
> > [ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expanding
> > [ [ humanity thru the universe. =A0Here is a starting point!!!
> > [
> > [
> > [ On Mar 7, 2:45 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> > [ [ baldeagle, LT Lee, anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get
> > [ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expanding
> > [ [
> > [ [ On Mar 5, 9:46 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
> > [ [
> > [ [
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> > [ [ [ [ On Mar 5, 9:11 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ [ Hey!!! =A0I think you should make a strong effort to talk to Chin=
> > [ [ On Mar 5, 9:46 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
> > [ [
> > [ [
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> > [ [ [ [ On Mar 5, 9:11 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
> > [ [
> ese
> > [ [ [ [ authorities in China about your ideas. =A0I am a 100% behind you =
> on
> > [ [ [ [ this.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ My contact details in Australia are:
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ land/fax: +61397993032
> > [ [ [ email: adda1...@bigpond.com
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ At the moment I am in Kolkata but will be in Melbourne on the 8th o=
> > [ [ [ [ this.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ My contact details in Australia are:
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ land/fax: +61397993032
> > [ [ [ email: adda1...@bigpond.com
> > [ [
> f
> > [ [ [ this month. =A0If you send me an email with IFE in the header, I wi=
> ll
> > [ [ [ contact you with a reply and send some preliminary documents.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ [ Gee, I wish I were more knowledgeable about China so I can help y=
> > [ [ [ contact you with a reply and send some preliminary documents.
> > [ [
> ou
> > [ [ [ [ get started on your project.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ [ Maybe LT Lee can help. =A0Know any "big wheels" in China, LT Lee?=
> > [ [ [ [ get started on your project.
> > [ [
> or
> > [ [ [ [ anyone?
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ I have close relatives in Singapore, who are citizens there and als=
> o
> > [ [ [ my good friends. =A0Incidentally I will be going through Singapore =
> day
> > [ [ [ after today from Kolkata, flying Singapore Airlines. =A0If you have=
> good
> > [ [ [ contacts in Singapore definitely there could be a start. =A0In Indi=
> a at
> > [ [ [ the centre we have only useless grumps and corrupt scum in top plac=
> es,
> > [ [ [ so India via institutionalisation is out.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ Unfortunately in West Bengal while there is keen interest from the
> > [ [ [ Govt there is a shortage of cash, but if I get some financial backi=
> > [ [ [ so India via institutionalisation is out.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ Unfortunately in West Bengal while there is keen interest from the
> ng
> > [ [ [ a project here (which can be done cheaply) is very much possible.
> > [ [ [
> > [ [ [ =A0Maybe we can help this man get his project rolling to save
> > [ [ [ a project here (which can be done cheaply) is very much possible.
> > [ [ [
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ [ humanity.
> > [ [
> > [ [ [ Most certainly. =A0I would very much like to give a presentation of=
> my
> > [ [ [ ideas to the Chinese, and Singapore could well be a start. With
> > [ [ [ disenchantment relating to Einstein's bullshit ideas on physics now
> > [ [ [ sinking in, maybe the clever Chinese who are practical too, will
> > [ [ [ listen to what I have to say. =A0They certainly have the money to b=
> > [ [ [ ideas to the Chinese, and Singapore could well be a start. With
> > [ [ [ disenchantment relating to Einstein's bullshit ideas on physics now
> > [ [ [ sinking in, maybe the clever Chinese who are practical too, will
> uild
> > [ [ [ the prototypes. =A0Internal Force is consistent with their basic
> > [ [ [ tradition, as shown in Chinese martial films I enjoy watching.
> > [ [ [
> > [ [ [ Cheers,
> > [ [ [ Arindam Banerjee- Hide quoted text -
> > [ [
> > [ [ - Show quoted text -
> > [
> > [ Well I am in Singapore Changi airport right now, writing from your
> > [ great terminal T2 enroute to T3 for my Melbourne flight. Singapore is
> > [ as clean and efficient as ever. =A0Hopefully I will be back if there is
> > [ [ [
> > [ [ [ Cheers,
> > [ [ [ Arindam Banerjee- Hide quoted text -
> > [ [
> > [ [ - Show quoted text -
> > [
> > [ Well I am in Singapore Changi airport right now, writing from your
> > [ great terminal T2 enroute to T3 for my Melbourne flight. Singapore is
> > [ some interest in my new ideas in physics, to begin with about the one
> > [ where I throw out the entire nonsense of einsteinian relativity using
> > [ deductive logic to find a subtle bungle in the analysis of the mmi
> > [ experiment. At the least I expect a fair hearing. Once we clear the
> > [ rubbish out, we can plan and execute great new technologies using
> > [ superior physics.
> > [
> > [ Cheers,
> > [ Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > End of Copy.
>
>
> Thanks for this, Jai. Now I am safely back after a very exciting ten
> weeks in India. This weekend I will be out of station, near
> Queensland but come next week
> it will be hard work till my holiday next month...
> I will need the help of all my friends and well-wishers to succeed, of
> course.
> With regards,
> Arindam
You're welcome. The USENET community has available for
> > [ where I throw out the entire nonsense of einsteinian relativity using
> > [ deductive logic to find a subtle bungle in the analysis of the mmi
> > [ experiment. At the least I expect a fair hearing. Once we clear the
> > [ rubbish out, we can plan and execute great new technologies using
> > [ superior physics.
> > [
> > [ Cheers,
> > [ Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > End of Copy.
>
>
> Thanks for this, Jai. Now I am safely back after a very exciting ten
> weeks in India. This weekend I will be out of station, near
> Queensland but come next week
> it will be hard work till my holiday next month...
> I will need the help of all my friends and well-wishers to succeed, of
> course.
> With regards,
> Arindam
its perusal all the reports that you have posted of your
trip. Of course, it is a crime to do so without also
posting relevant pictures on the web somewhere. So you're
going on another holiday next month: that's the way to
live! Another is to try to always do what you love and
actually live in the world's most visited holiday spot,
which describes my situation.
Namaskar, and Aloha from Hawaii.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 12, 2012, 9:38:26 PM3/12/12
to
On Mar 13, 8:44 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <0d5774e9-fc23-450b-bf04-a6faf9715...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
We have taken hundreds of terrific photos, but they are all in bmp
format. I don't know exactly how to put them on the web.
Let us see.
Thanks for your encouragement. I will now try to get my book
published online and will certainly let you and all others know about
it, for I need all the
publicity I can get to make suitable profits to pursue my engineering
and scientific goals.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <0d5774e9-fc23-450b-bf04-a6faf9715...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
format. I don't know exactly how to put them on the web.
Let us see.
Thanks for your encouragement. I will now try to get my book
published online and will certainly let you and all others know about
it, for I need all the
publicity I can get to make suitable profits to pursue my engineering
and scientific goals.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 12, 2012, 10:24:39 PM3/12/12
to
In article <34ea28d3-557b-4bb1...@qb4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > In article <0d5774e9-fc23-450b-bf04-a6faf9715...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> LT Lee,
> > > > [ =3DA0anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on h=
> is project? You
> > > > [ =3DA0know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the univ=
> erse. =3D
> > > Here is a
> > > > [ =3DA0starting point!!!
> > > > [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[
> > > > [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.chin=
> a,so=3D
> > > c.culture.singap=3DADore
> get
> > > > [ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expandi=
> ng
> > > > [ [ humanity thru the universe. =3DA0Here is a starting point!!!
> ote:
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ [ Hey!!! =3DA0I think you should make a strong effort to talk t=
> o Chin=3D
> > > ese
> > > > [ [ [ [ authorities in China about your ideas. =3DA0I am a 100% behin=
> d you =3D
> th o=3D
> > > f
> > > > [ [ [ this month. =3DA0If you send me an email with IFE in the header=
> , I wi=3D
> lp y=3D
> T Lee?=3D
> > > =A0or
> > > > [ [ [ [ anyone?
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ I have close relatives in Singapore, who are citizens there and=
> als=3D
> > > o
> > > > [ [ [ my good friends. =3DA0Incidentally I will be going through Sing=
> apore =3D
> > > day
> > > > [ [ [ after today from Kolkata, flying Singapore Airlines. =3DA0If yo=
> u have=3D
> > > =A0good
> > > > [ [ [ contacts in Singapore definitely there could be a start. =3DA0I=
> n Indi=3D
> > > a at
> > > > [ [ [ the centre we have only useless grumps and corrupt scum in top =
> plac=3D
> the
> > > > [ [ [ Govt there is a shortage of cash, but if I get some financial b=
> acki=3D
> > > ng
> > > > [ [ [ a project here (which can be done cheaply) is very much possibl=
> e.
> > > > [ [ [
> > > > [ [ [ =3DA0Maybe we can help this man get his project rolling to save
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ [ humanity.
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ Most certainly. =3DA0I would very much like to give a presentat=
> ion of=3D
> > > =A0my
> now
> > > > [ [ [ sinking in, maybe the clever Chinese who are practical too, wil=
> l
> > > > [ [ [ listen to what I have to say. =3DA0They certainly have the mone=
> y to b=3D
> > > uild
> > > > [ [ [ the prototypes. =3DA0Internal Force is consistent with their ba=
> is
> > > > [ as clean and efficient as ever. =3DA0Hopefully I will be back if th=
> ere is
> > > > [ some interest in my new ideas in physics, to begin with about the o=
> ne
> > > > [ where I throw out the entire nonsense of einsteinian relativity usi=
> > > weeks in India. =A0This weekend I will be out of station, near
You are welcome.
I just tried this as a search phrase:
"bmp to jpg conversion"
and the machine returned about 92,500,000 results.
So one can either install software on one's own computer
to perform the connversion or upload the picture to a
site where they will be converted automatically and then
downloaded to your computer. I am sure that there's
another option whereby the .bmp files can be published
for public viewing and automatically converted to jpg or
png format. They say that .png files are smaller than.jpg
ones. Somes cameras can even save pictures in a number of
different formats.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > In article <0d5774e9-fc23-450b-bf04-a6faf9715...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >
> > > > I am not alone in supporting Arindam Banerjee's efforts.
> > > > See the post appended below.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > Copy of post from another thread:
> >
> > > > [ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle,=
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >
> > > > I am not alone in supporting Arindam Banerjee's efforts.
> > > > See the post appended below.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > Copy of post from another thread:
> >
> LT Lee,
> > > > [ =3DA0anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on h=
> is project? You
> > > > [ =3DA0know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the univ=
> erse. =3D
> > > Here is a
> > > > [ =3DA0starting point!!!
> > > > [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[
> > > > [ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.chin=
> a,so=3D
> > > c.culture.singap=3DADore
> > > > [ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:00:16 -0800 (PST)
> > > > [
> > > > [
> > > > [ On Mar 7, 2:45 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> > > > [ [ baldeagle, LT Lee, anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man =
> > > > [
> > > > [
> > > > [ On Mar 7, 2:45 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> get
> > > > [ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expandi=
> ng
> > > > [ [ humanity thru the universe. =3DA0Here is a starting point!!!
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ On Mar 5, 9:46 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> > > > [ [ [ [ On Mar 5, 9:11 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wr=
> > > > [ [ On Mar 5, 9:46 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com[ wrote:
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
> ote:
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ [ Hey!!! =3DA0I think you should make a strong effort to talk t=
> o Chin=3D
> > > ese
> > > > [ [ [ [ authorities in China about your ideas. =3DA0I am a 100% behin=
> d you =3D
> > > on
> > > > [ [ [ [ this.
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ My contact details in Australia are:
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ land/fax: +61397993032
> > > > [ [ [ email: adda1...@bigpond.com
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ At the moment I am in Kolkata but will be in Melbourne on the 8=
> > > > [ [ [ [ this.
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ My contact details in Australia are:
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ land/fax: +61397993032
> > > > [ [ [ email: adda1...@bigpond.com
> > > > [ [
> th o=3D
> > > f
> > > > [ [ [ this month. =3DA0If you send me an email with IFE in the header=
> , I wi=3D
> > > ll
> > > > [ [ [ contact you with a reply and send some preliminary documents.
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ [ Gee, I wish I were more knowledgeable about China so I can he=
> > > > [ [ [ contact you with a reply and send some preliminary documents.
> > > > [ [
> lp y=3D
> > > ou
> > > > [ [ [ [ get started on your project.
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ [ Maybe LT Lee can help. =3DA0Know any "big wheels" in China, L=
> > > > [ [ [ [ get started on your project.
> > > > [ [
> T Lee?=3D
> > > =A0or
> > > > [ [ [ [ anyone?
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ I have close relatives in Singapore, who are citizens there and=
> als=3D
> > > o
> > > > [ [ [ my good friends. =3DA0Incidentally I will be going through Sing=
> apore =3D
> > > day
> > > > [ [ [ after today from Kolkata, flying Singapore Airlines. =3DA0If yo=
> u have=3D
> > > =A0good
> > > > [ [ [ contacts in Singapore definitely there could be a start. =3DA0I=
> n Indi=3D
> > > a at
> > > > [ [ [ the centre we have only useless grumps and corrupt scum in top =
> plac=3D
> > > es,
> > > > [ [ [ so India via institutionalisation is out.
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ Unfortunately in West Bengal while there is keen interest from =
> > > > [ [ [ so India via institutionalisation is out.
> > > > [ [
> the
> > > > [ [ [ Govt there is a shortage of cash, but if I get some financial b=
> acki=3D
> > > ng
> > > > [ [ [ a project here (which can be done cheaply) is very much possibl=
> e.
> > > > [ [ [
> > > > [ [ [ =3DA0Maybe we can help this man get his project rolling to save
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ [ humanity.
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ [ Most certainly. =3DA0I would very much like to give a presentat=
> ion of=3D
> > > =A0my
> > > > [ [ [ ideas to the Chinese, and Singapore could well be a start. With
> > > > [ [ [ disenchantment relating to Einstein's bullshit ideas on physics=
> now
> > > > [ [ [ sinking in, maybe the clever Chinese who are practical too, wil=
> l
> > > > [ [ [ listen to what I have to say. =3DA0They certainly have the mone=
> y to b=3D
> > > uild
> > > > [ [ [ the prototypes. =3DA0Internal Force is consistent with their ba=
> sic
> > > > [ [ [ tradition, as shown in Chinese martial films I enjoy watching.
> > > > [ [ [
> > > > [ [ [ Cheers,
> > > > [ [ [ Arindam Banerjee- Hide quoted text -
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ - Show quoted text -
> > > > [
> > > > [ Well I am in Singapore Changi airport right now, writing from your
> > > > [ great terminal T2 enroute to T3 for my Melbourne flight. Singapore =
> > > > [ [ [ tradition, as shown in Chinese martial films I enjoy watching.
> > > > [ [ [
> > > > [ [ [ Cheers,
> > > > [ [ [ Arindam Banerjee- Hide quoted text -
> > > > [ [
> > > > [ [ - Show quoted text -
> > > > [
> > > > [ Well I am in Singapore Changi airport right now, writing from your
> is
> > > > [ as clean and efficient as ever. =3DA0Hopefully I will be back if th=
> ere is
> > > > [ some interest in my new ideas in physics, to begin with about the o=
> ne
> > > > [ where I throw out the entire nonsense of einsteinian relativity usi=
> ng
> > > > [ deductive logic to find a subtle bungle in the analysis of the mmi
> > > > [ experiment. At the least I expect a fair hearing. Once we clear the
> > > > [ rubbish out, we can plan and execute great new technologies using
> > > > [ superior physics.
> > > > [
> > > > [ Cheers,
> > > > [ Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > End of Copy.
> >
> > > Thanks for this, Jai. =A0Now I am safely back after a very exciting ten
> > > > [ deductive logic to find a subtle bungle in the analysis of the mmi
> > > > [ experiment. At the least I expect a fair hearing. Once we clear the
> > > > [ rubbish out, we can plan and execute great new technologies using
> > > > [ superior physics.
> > > > [
> > > > [ Cheers,
> > > > [ Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > End of Copy.
> >
> > > weeks in India. =A0This weekend I will be out of station, near
I just tried this as a search phrase:
"bmp to jpg conversion"
and the machine returned about 92,500,000 results.
So one can either install software on one's own computer
to perform the connversion or upload the picture to a
site where they will be converted automatically and then
downloaded to your computer. I am sure that there's
another option whereby the .bmp files can be published
for public viewing and automatically converted to jpg or
png format. They say that .png files are smaller than.jpg
ones. Somes cameras can even save pictures in a number of
different formats.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 12, 2012, 10:45:49 PM3/12/12
to
On Mar 13, 1:24 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <34ea28d3-557b-4bb1-931a-b33529c1c...@qb4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Oh, I am sure that can be done but it is a lot of work! I will have
to get some site like Picasa or whatever is available. Now I do have
a lot to do,
the gardens need looking to for instance.... it is great to be back
home, though. I spent a lovely long weekend in the rainforests of
Queensland, took
some amazing photos, had terrific experiences...
Cheers,
Arindam.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <34ea28d3-557b-4bb1-931a-b33529c1c...@qb4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
to get some site like Picasa or whatever is available. Now I do have
a lot to do,
the gardens need looking to for instance.... it is great to be back
home, though. I spent a lovely long weekend in the rainforests of
Queensland, took
some amazing photos, had terrific experiences...
Cheers,
Arindam.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 12, 2012, 11:30:18 PM3/12/12
to
Useful raw dialogue from the heart by Arindam in
response to an antagonist or non-supporter (Dayashankar
M. Joshi) at the end of the following post from another
thread:
Copy begins:
[ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
[ anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on his project? You
[ know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. Here is a
[ starting point!!!
[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com>
[ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:03:36 -0700 (PDT)
On Mar 9, 5:57 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
[ On Mar 8, 6:04 pm, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[
[
[
[
[
[ [ On Mar 8, 5:09 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
[
[ [ [ On Mar 6, 6:45 pm, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[
[ [ [ [ baldeagle, LT Lee, anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get
[ [ [ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expanding
[ [ [ [ humanity thru the universe. Here is a starting point!!!
[
[ [ [ Your instinct of "expanding humanity thru the universe" got roused up
[ [ [ by "this man" because he is Indian?
[
[ [ [ It did not stir at all for either Wu Ying of Dongyang,Zhejiang
[ [ [ province in China or for Tan Hong Guang of the city of Weifang in
[ [ [ Shandong province in China.
[
[ [ [ Is it because "this man" comes from upper class Hindu background with
[ [ [ facility to attend two top technology institutes of India and has
[ [ [ managed to migrate out while Wu Ying is a school drop out and Tan Hong
[ [ [ Guang is an ordinary farmer and an occasional welder?
[
[ [ A fool shows his ignorance through and through.
[
[ What to call a Chinese calling on other Chinese to find powers that
[ are in China to benefit a better off Indian
[
[ He is a brilliant person because he knows that helping anyone with new
[ and better ideas will benefit everyone - but as Chinese will do that
[ first they will benefit first.
[ He is also correct to call you (Joshiji) a fool because a fool will
[ harm others he does not like, since a fool being a fool is composed
[ entirely of prejudices
[ and ignorance - and in your own case and that of your bootlicker the k-
[ mqw, that cttc se, viciousness.
[ But, fools do have their day, and they use the poverty and ignorance
[ of the worse-off among the population to rise to postion of eminence
[ by exciting envy,
[ ridiculing morality as that prevents grab, upping mediocrity and
[ materialism, etc. Problem with such fools is that when they win, they
[ start killing off each other.
[ It sucks to be such fools, but they don't realise it, being such
[ fools.
[ Cheers,
[ Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
[ time, sole god among lotsa devils.
End of copy.
response to an antagonist or non-supporter (Dayashankar
M. Joshi) at the end of the following post from another
thread:
Copy begins:
[ Subject: Re: The west is not jealous of China's 'rise' - baldeagle, LT Lee,
[ anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get started on his project? You
[ know all I ever talk about is expanding humanity thru the universe. Here is a
[ starting point!!!
[ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:03:36 -0700 (PDT)
On Mar 9, 5:57 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
[ On Mar 8, 6:04 pm, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[
[
[
[
[
[ [ On Mar 8, 5:09 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
[
[ [ [ On Mar 6, 6:45 pm, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[
[ [ [ [ baldeagle, LT Lee, anyone - Is there anyway we can help this man get
[ [ [ [ started on his project? You know all I ever talk about is expanding
[ [ [ [ humanity thru the universe. Here is a starting point!!!
[
[ [ [ Your instinct of "expanding humanity thru the universe" got roused up
[ [ [ by "this man" because he is Indian?
[
[ [ [ It did not stir at all for either Wu Ying of Dongyang,Zhejiang
[ [ [ province in China or for Tan Hong Guang of the city of Weifang in
[ [ [ Shandong province in China.
[
[ [ [ Is it because "this man" comes from upper class Hindu background with
[ [ [ facility to attend two top technology institutes of India and has
[ [ [ managed to migrate out while Wu Ying is a school drop out and Tan Hong
[ [ [ Guang is an ordinary farmer and an occasional welder?
[
[ [ A fool shows his ignorance through and through.
[
[ What to call a Chinese calling on other Chinese to find powers that
[ are in China to benefit a better off Indian
[
[ He is a brilliant person because he knows that helping anyone with new
[ and better ideas will benefit everyone - but as Chinese will do that
[ first they will benefit first.
[ He is also correct to call you (Joshiji) a fool because a fool will
[ harm others he does not like, since a fool being a fool is composed
[ entirely of prejudices
[ and ignorance - and in your own case and that of your bootlicker the k-
[ mqw, that cttc se, viciousness.
[ But, fools do have their day, and they use the poverty and ignorance
[ of the worse-off among the population to rise to postion of eminence
[ by exciting envy,
[ ridiculing morality as that prevents grab, upping mediocrity and
[ materialism, etc. Problem with such fools is that when they win, they
[ start killing off each other.
[ It sucks to be such fools, but they don't realise it, being such
[ fools.
[ Cheers,
[ Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
[ time, sole god among lotsa devils.
End of copy.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 20, 2012, 5:12:26 PM3/20/12
to
In article <6f657a8d-9fa3-4344...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Copy from another thread:
> >
> > In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888-8075-3764fcc2b...@pz10g2000pbc.googlegroup=
> s.com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> ll
> > > > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long. I w=
> ere
> > > > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? How o=
> > > in every way. =A0One problem is that they do not show all the stuff,
> > > descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. =A0The equipment is nearly
> > > 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. =A0In English they say it
> > > was repaired in 19xx. =A0I suppose there is some reason for this. =A0At
> > > in those days, wow. =A0The markings in Devanagari were very clear. =A0I
> > [ Varahamihira were associated with =A0Indian astronomy.
> > [ =A0 =A0"It would be surprising for us to know today that this
> > [ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. =A0He wrote in
> > > was the best. =A0Seeing Agnipath in Rajmandir at Jaipur (the best
> > > enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. =A0They wanted t=
> =A0is
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Copy from another thread:
> >
> > In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888-8075-3764fcc2b...@pz10g2000pbc.googlegroup=
> s.com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> > > > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <cafe0afd-6a91-48d7-a81a-a40d3ba7a...@f14g2000yqe.=
> goog=3D
> > > legroups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> > > > > > > > > This serial produced by BBC runs into nine parts, and is fu=
> goog=3D
> > > legroups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> ll
> > > > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long. I w=
> as
> > > > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- but it
> > > > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> > > > > > > > I was there when it happened. . . and when the massacres occu=
> > > > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- but it
> > > > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> rred
> > > > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves).
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > How old are you? It happened 65 years ago.
> >
> > > > > > Traditional Jyotishis do not publicize our age or birth data, but=
> > > > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves).
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > How old are you? It happened 65 years ago.
> >
> as
> > > > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here on
> > > > > > s.c.i; and yes those horrible events took place that long ago. Wh=
> > > > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here on
> ere
> > > > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? How o=
> ld
> > > > > > are you?
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Have you seen the jantar-mantar at Jaipur? That was the one place i=
> > > > > > are you?
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> n
> > > > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Yes, I have visited the Jantar Mantar in Jaipur, as also the one in
> > > > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Entry to the Dilli one was free back in 1989 - that being near to the
> > > CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> > > understood anything. =A0The Jaipur complex is much bigger and superior
> > > > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Yes, I have visited the Jantar Mantar in Jaipur, as also the one in
> > > > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Entry to the Dilli one was free back in 1989 - that being near to the
> > > CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> > > in every way. =A0One problem is that they do not show all the stuff,
> > > like sighting scopes, so it is difficult to see what use was actually
> > > made of such equipement. =A0In Jaipur at least they gave some
> > > descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. =A0The equipment is nearly
> > > 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. =A0In English they say it
> > > was repaired in 19xx. =A0I suppose there is some reason for this. =A0At
> > > the end of the day it looks like they were mainly interested in
> > > finding the correct time, for their calender. =A0In Jaipur there was
> > > this unique thing, special equipment for the different signs of the
> > > zodiac. =A0Beats me. =A0But I suppose as an astrologer they should be o=
> f
> > > interest to you, Jai. =A0Fortunately for us, Suryadeva was in good form
> f
> > > and we could read the local time accurately on a dial where the plane
> > > was bent to be in line with the ecliptic. =A0They knew about ecliptics
> > > in those days, wow. =A0The markings in Devanagari were very clear. =A0I
> > > took a photo of a notice which compared Hindu time scales with modern
> > > time scales. =A0Mr Malcolm Fabian of Adelaide once explained how the
> > > pyramids too were used for time computation, as also for referencing
> > > distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> > > flood away the markers so the boundaries would have to be drawn every
> > > time. =A0The ancients were so clever. =A0One system there looks a lot l=
> > > distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> > > flood away the markers so the boundaries would have to be drawn every
> ike
> > > Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things... a
> > > bit beyond me
> >
> > Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
> > print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
> > distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
> > politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
> > astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
> > I often post the following excerpts:
> >
> > [ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
> > [[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > [
> > [ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
> > [ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
> > [ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
> > [ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
> > [ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
> > [ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
> > [ =A0 =A0"Astronomy was then interwoven with astrology and
> > > Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things... a
> > > bit beyond me
> >
> > Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
> > print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
> > distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
> > politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
> > astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
> > I often post the following excerpts:
> >
> > [ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
> > [[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > [
> > [ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
> > [ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
> > [ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
> > [ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
> > [ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
> > [ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
> > [ since ancient times Indians have involved the planets
> > [ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
> > [ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
> > [ considered inauspicious.
> > [ =A0 =A0In the working out of horoscopes (called
> > [ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
> > [ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
> > [ considered inauspicious.
> > [ Janmakundali), the position of the Navagrahas, nine
> > [ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
> > [ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
> > [ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
> > [ astronomical observations and perception based on
> > [ astronomical phenomenon.
> > [ =A0 =A0"In ancient times personalities like Aryabhatta and
> > [ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
> > [ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
> > [ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
> > [ astronomical observations and perception based on
> > [ astronomical phenomenon.
> > [ Varahamihira were associated with =A0Indian astronomy.
> > [ =A0 =A0"It would be surprising for us to know today that this
> > [ science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India
> > [ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
> > [ are same as the sun, that the sun is =A0center of the
> > [ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
> > [ universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the
> > [ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
> > [ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
> > [ [...] Regards =A0 Sudheer
> > [ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
> > [ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
> > [
> > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > And,
> >
> > [ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
> > [ appellations through thirty years of diligent study of the science of
> > [ prediction. =A0He was an expert in both astrology and numerology but
> > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > And,
> >
> > [ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
> > [ appellations through thirty years of diligent study of the science of
> > [ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. =A0He wrote in
> > [ 1949:
> > [
> > [ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this study
> > [ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
> > [ knowledge. =A0Long before Rome or Greece or Israel was even heard of,
> > [
> > [ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this study
> > [ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
> > > cinemal hall in the world) was another great expeience and took me to
> > > the days of my youth. =A0We saw many really real Indians of all shapes
> > > and colours and backgrounds, and one and all appreciated what we were
> > > doing. =A0It is every nri papa's duty to inculcate pro-India sentiments
> > > to his offspring, and that I did, to the satisfaction of hotel
> > > keepers, auto and taxiwallahs, tour guides, agents, restaurant owners,
> > > shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and even
> > > gaping interest as our sort was evidently new to them. =A0They all
> > > keepers, auto and taxiwallahs, tour guides, agents, restaurant owners,
> > > shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and even
> > > enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. =A0They wanted t=
> o
> > > know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> > > convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> > > Bengali height by six inches.. =A0Then we explained we were from
> > > know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> > > convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> > > Australia, a most wonderful country, and then they were satisfied and
> > > plied us with lots of questions. =A0Among an answer worthy of memory =
> =A0is
> > > this, my elder daughter said that India would become a much better
> > > country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> > > clean.
> >
> > A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
> > party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
> > will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
> > and diving trips in the past.
>
> So far Kangaroo Island tops the list for us. Lovely beaches, like
> Vivonne.
> >
> > > Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. =A0Will depart on the
> > > country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> > > clean.
> >
> > A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
> > party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
> > will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
> > and diving trips in the past.
>
> So far Kangaroo Island tops the list for us. Lovely beaches, like
> Vivonne.
> >
> > > 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping many
> > > happy memories with them on their cameras. =A0The photos they have take=
> n
> > > are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given what
> > > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> > > etc.) =A0As I had rather expected, the place most worthy of memory for
> > > are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given what
> > > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> > > all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
> >
> > > " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> > > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > > so our guide communicated then.
> >
> > > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> > > fine was she... =A0Well, I got a print of a very beautiful Rajasthani
> >
> > > " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in comparison
> > > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > > so our guide communicated then.
> >
> > > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> > > woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> > > likeness!
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
> >
> > > likeness!
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> > Om Shanti
>
> Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> feet away from our open jeep.
Pictures?
> feet away from our open jeep.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 20, 2012, 5:17:42 PM3/20/12
to
On Mar 21, 8:12 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <6f657a8d-9fa3-4344-83e3-f94bc77bd...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
Sorry Jai. Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too much time
with the goons, my bad. Thanks for reminding me. I will try to post
some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <6f657a8d-9fa3-4344-83e3-f94bc77bd...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
with the goons, my bad. Thanks for reminding me. I will try to post
some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 20, 2012, 5:29:44 PM3/20/12
to
In article <560e1f07-ac81-4181...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <6f657a8d-9fa3-4344-83e3-f94bc77bd...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.=
> >
> > > > In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888-8075-3764fcc2b...@pz10g2000pbc.googleg=
> roup=3D
> > > s.com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > > > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googl=
> egro=3D
> > > ups.=3D3D
> > > > > com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.=
> goog=3D
> > > legr=3D3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article <cafe0afd-6a91-48d7-a81a-a40d3ba7a...@f14g2000=
> yqe.=3D
> > > goog=3D3D
> > > > > legroups=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > This serial produced by BBC runs into nine parts, and i=
> s fu=3D
> > > ll
> > > > > > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long.=
> I w=3D
> > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- bu=
> occu=3D
> > > rred
> > > > > > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves=
> but=3D
> > > =A0as
> > > > > > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here=
> on
> > > > > > > > s.c.i; and yes those horrible events took place that long ago=
> .. Wh=3D
> > > ere
> > > > > > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? H=
> ow o=3D
> ce i=3D
> erior
> > > > > in every way. =3DA0One problem is that they do not show all the stu=
> ff,
> > > > > like sighting scopes, so it is difficult to see what use was actual=
> ly
> > > > > made of such equipement. =3DA0In Jaipur at least they gave some
> > > > > descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. =3DA0The equipment is n=
> early
> > > > > 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. =3DA0In English they s=
> ay it
> > > > > was repaired in 19xx. =3DA0I suppose there is some reason for this.=
> =3DA0At
> uld be o=3D
> > > f
> > > > > interest to you, Jai. =3DA0Fortunately for us, Suryadeva was in goo=
> d form
> > > > > and we could read the local time accurately on a dial where the pla=
> ne
> > > > > was bent to be in line with the ecliptic. =3DA0They knew about ecli=
> ptics
> > > > > in those days, wow. =3DA0The markings in Devanagari were very clear=
> .. =3DA0I
> > > > > took a photo of a notice which compared Hindu time scales with mode=
> rn
> > > > > time scales. =3DA0Mr Malcolm Fabian of Adelaide once explained how =
> the
> > > > > pyramids too were used for time computation, as also for referencin=
> ry
> > > > > time. =3DA0The ancients were so clever. =3DA0One system there looks=
> a lot l=3D
> > > ike
> > > > > Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things...=
> > > > [ Varahamihira were associated with =3DA0Indian astronomy.
> > > > [ =3DA0 =3DA0"It would be surprising for us to know today that this
> of
> > > > [ prediction. =3DA0He was an expert in both astrology and numerology =
> but
> > > > [ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. =3DA0He wro=
> te in
> > > > [ 1949:
> > > > [
> > > > [ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this stud=
> st
> > > > [ 2,140 years, and how many centuries elapsed before such changes cam=
> d
> > > also through mythology and symbolism. =A0What does the Ananta Naga
> > > really mean? =A0What is the significance of the lotus emanating from
> > > Lord Vishnu's navel? =A0I explained same to my daughters, using my new
> > > ideas in physics. =A0They were impressed.
> >
> > > > [
> > > > [ "The intellectual power that was necessary to make these observatio=
> > > > > cinemal hall in the world) was another great expeience and took me =
> to
> > > > > the days of my youth. =3DA0We saw many really real Indians of all s=
> hapes
> > > > > and colours and backgrounds, and one and all appreciated what we we=
> re
> > > > > doing. =3DA0It is every nri papa's duty to inculcate pro-India sent=
> rs,
> > > > > shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and e=
> ven
> > > > > gaping interest as our sort was evidently new to them. =3DA0They al=
> l
> > > > > enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. =3DA0They wa=
> nted t=3D
> > > > > Australia, a most wonderful country, and then they were satisfied a=
> nd
> > > > > plied us with lots of questions. =3DA0Among an answer worthy of mem=
> ory =3D
> > > =3DA0is
> the
> > > > > 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping m=
> any
> > > > > happy memories with them on their cameras. =3DA0The photos they hav=
> e take=3D
> > > n
> > > > > are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given w=
forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <6f657a8d-9fa3-4344-83e3-f94bc77bd...@t6g2000pba.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > Copy from another thread:
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >
> > > > In article <fc5ea52c-e1f9-4888-8075-3764fcc2b...@pz10g2000pbc.googleg=
> roup=3D
> > > s.com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > > > In article <77376183-08ed-4579-9d9a-dbb82ca37...@s9g2000pba.googl=
> egro=3D
> > > ups.=3D3D
> > > > > com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Mahara posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <cc969592-7a35-43e1-81a2-441b2147b...@y17g2000yqg.=
> goog=3D
> > > legr=3D3D
> > > > > oups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article <cafe0afd-6a91-48d7-a81a-a40d3ba7a...@f14g2000=
> yqe.=3D
> > > goog=3D3D
> > > > > legroups=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0Mirza Ghalib <lms...@gmx.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3D3D3DWQcMPbHfxaA
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > This serial produced by BBC runs into nine parts, and i=
> s fu=3D
> > > ll
> > > > > > > > > > > of archival photos. Each part is about 10 minutes long.=
> I w=3D
> > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > not aware of its existence. Most of us are aware of- bu=
> t it
> > > > > > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I was there when it happened. . . and when the massacres =
> > > > > > > > > > > is worth watching.
> >
> occu=3D
> > > rred
> > > > > > > > > > (Muslims killing Hindus and we Hindus defending ourselves=
> ).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > > > How old are you? It happened 65 years ago.
> >
> > > > > > > > Traditional Jyotishis do not publicize our age or birth data,=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > > > How old are you? It happened 65 years ago.
> >
> but=3D
> > > =A0as
> > > > > > > > I've mentioned earlier I'm likely the most senior poster here=
> on
> > > > > > > > s.c.i; and yes those horrible events took place that long ago=
> .. Wh=3D
> > > ere
> > > > > > > > were you (or your parents if you weren't born yet) in 1947? H=
> ow o=3D
> > > ld
> > > > > > > > are you?
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > Have you seen the jantar-mantar at Jaipur? That was the one pla=
> > > > > > > > are you?
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> ce i=3D
> > > n
> > > > > > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > Yes, I have visited the Jantar Mantar in Jaipur, as also the one =
> > > > > > > all of India where foreign tourists outnumbered locals.
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> in
> > > > > > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Entry to the Dilli one was free back in 1989 - that being near to t=
> > > > > > Dillee -- both numerous times.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> he
> > > > > CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> > > > > understood anything. =3DA0The Jaipur complex is much bigger and sup=
> > > > > CC made it possible for me to visit it several times but I never
> erior
> > > > > in every way. =3DA0One problem is that they do not show all the stu=
> ff,
> > > > > like sighting scopes, so it is difficult to see what use was actual=
> ly
> > > > > made of such equipement. =3DA0In Jaipur at least they gave some
> > > > > descriptions, so things were a bit clearer. =3DA0The equipment is n=
> early
> > > > > 300 years old, but that is written in Hindi. =3DA0In English they s=
> ay it
> > > > > was repaired in 19xx. =3DA0I suppose there is some reason for this.=
> =3DA0At
> > > > > the end of the day it looks like they were mainly interested in
> > > > > finding the correct time, for their calender. =3DA0In Jaipur there =
> was
> > > > > this unique thing, special equipment for the different signs of the
> > > > > zodiac. =3DA0Beats me. =3DA0But I suppose as an astrologer they sho=
> > > > > this unique thing, special equipment for the different signs of the
> uld be o=3D
> > > f
> > > > > interest to you, Jai. =3DA0Fortunately for us, Suryadeva was in goo=
> d form
> > > > > and we could read the local time accurately on a dial where the pla=
> ne
> > > > > was bent to be in line with the ecliptic. =3DA0They knew about ecli=
> ptics
> > > > > in those days, wow. =3DA0The markings in Devanagari were very clear=
> .. =3DA0I
> > > > > took a photo of a notice which compared Hindu time scales with mode=
> rn
> > > > > time scales. =3DA0Mr Malcolm Fabian of Adelaide once explained how =
> the
> > > > > pyramids too were used for time computation, as also for referencin=
> g
> > > > > distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> > > > > flood away the markers so the boundaries would have to be drawn eve=
> > > > > distances the latter being very important as the Nile floods would
> ry
> > > > > time. =3DA0The ancients were so clever. =3DA0One system there looks=
> a lot l=3D
> > > ike
> > > > > Stonehenge - from the shadows they could estimate various things...=
> a
> > > > > bit beyond me
> >
> > > > Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
> > > > print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
> > > > distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
> > > > politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
> > > > astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
> > > > I often post the following excerpts:
> >
> > > > [ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
> > > > [[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > [
> > > > [ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
> > > > [ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
> > > > [ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
> > > > [ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
> > > > [ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
> > > > [ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
> > > > [ =3DA0 =3DA0"Astronomy was then interwoven with astrology and
> > > > > bit beyond me
> >
> > > > Yes, a bunch of us Jyotishis got together and wrote to the GOI to
> > > > print a booklet to be distributed to Jantar Mantar. It was
> > > > distributed for a years and then I don't know what happened with the
> > > > politics of it after that. As far as the history of achievements in
> > > > astrology/astronomy (both are integrated into Jyotish) is concerned,
> > > > I often post the following excerpts:
> >
> > > > [ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
> > > > [[ sudheer_birod...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > [
> > > > [ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
> > > > [ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
> > > > [ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
> > > > [ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
> > > > [ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
> > > > [ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
> > > > [ since ancient times Indians have involved the planets
> > > > [ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
> > > > [ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
> > > > [ considered inauspicious.
> > > > [ =3DA0 =3DA0In the working out of horoscopes (called
> > > > [ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
> > > > [ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
> > > > [ considered inauspicious.
> > > > [ Janmakundali), the position of the Navagrahas, nine
> > > > [ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
> > > > [ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
> > > > [ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
> > > > [ astronomical observations and perception based on
> > > > [ astronomical phenomenon.
> > > > [ =3DA0 =3DA0"In ancient times personalities like Aryabhatta and
> > > > [ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
> > > > [ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
> > > > [ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
> > > > [ astronomical observations and perception based on
> > > > [ astronomical phenomenon.
> > > > [ Varahamihira were associated with =3DA0Indian astronomy.
> > > > [ =3DA0 =3DA0"It would be surprising for us to know today that this
> > > > [ science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India
> > > > [ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
> > > > [ are same as the sun, that the sun is =3DA0center of the
> > > > [ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
> > > > [ universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the
> > > > [ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
> > > > [ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
> > > > [ [...] Regards =3DA0 Sudheer
> > > > [ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
> > > > [ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
> > > > [
> > > > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > > > And,
> >
> > > > [ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
> > > > [ appellations through thirty years of diligent study of the science =
> > > > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > > > And,
> >
> > > > [ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned the highest
> of
> > > > [ prediction. =3DA0He was an expert in both astrology and numerology =
> but
> > > > [ was most famous for his amazing knowledge of palmistry. =3DA0He wro=
> te in
> > > > [ 1949:
> > > > [
> > > > [ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced this stud=
> y
> > > > [ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
> > > > [ knowledge. =3DA0Long before Rome or Greece or Israel was even heard=
> > > > [ of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of their learning and
> of,
> > > > [ the monuments of India point back to an age of learning beyond, and
> > > > [ still beyond.
> > > > [
> > > > [ "From the astronomical calculations that the figures in their templ=
> > > > [ the monuments of India point back to an age of learning beyond, and
> > > > [ still beyond.
> > > > [
> es
> > > > [ represent, it has been estimated that the Hindus understood the
> > > > [ precession of the equinoxes centuries before the Christian era.
> > > > [
> > > > [ "In some of the ancient cave temples, the mystic figures of the
> > > > [ [deities] silently tell that such knowledge had been possessed and
> > > > [ used in advance of all those nations afterward so celebrated for
> > > > [ their learning.
> > > > [
> > > > [ "It has been demonstrated that to make a change from one sign to
> > > > [ another in the zodiacal course of the sun must have occupied at lea=
> > > > [ represent, it has been estimated that the Hindus understood the
> > > > [ precession of the equinoxes centuries before the Christian era.
> > > > [
> > > > [ "In some of the ancient cave temples, the mystic figures of the
> > > > [ [deities] silently tell that such knowledge had been possessed and
> > > > [ used in advance of all those nations afterward so celebrated for
> > > > [ their learning.
> > > > [
> > > > [ "It has been demonstrated that to make a change from one sign to
> st
> > > > [ 2,140 years, and how many centuries elapsed before such changes cam=
> e
> > > > [ to be observed and noticed it is impossible even to estimate.
> >
> > > I try to find how desperately the ancients tried to pass on their
> > > ancient wisdom to us. =A0In the form of scripture such as the Vedas, an=
> > > > [ to be observed and noticed it is impossible even to estimate.
> >
> > > I try to find how desperately the ancients tried to pass on their
> d
> > > also through mythology and symbolism. =A0What does the Ananta Naga
> > > really mean? =A0What is the significance of the lotus emanating from
> > > Lord Vishnu's navel? =A0I explained same to my daughters, using my new
> > > ideas in physics. =A0They were impressed.
> >
> > > > [
> > > > [ "The intellectual power that was necessary to make these observatio=
> ns
> > > > [ speaks for itself; and yet it is to such a people that we trace the
> > > > [ origin of the study under consideration. With the spread of the Hin=
> > > > [ speaks for itself; and yet it is to such a people that we trace the
> du
> > > > [ teachings into other lands do we trace the spread of knowledge of
> > > > [ palmistry.
> > > > [
> > > > [ "The Hindu Vedas are the oldest scriptures that have been found, an=
> > > > [ teachings into other lands do we trace the spread of knowledge of
> > > > [ palmistry.
> > > > [
> d
> > > > [ according to some authorities they have been the foundation of even
> > > > [ the Greek schools of learning."
> > > > [
> > > > [ - 'Cheiro's Language Of The Hand' By Cheiro
> > > > [ Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1987
> > > > [ Herbert Jenkins Limited, London, 1949
> > > > [ ISBN 0-13-128398-7
> > > > [
> > > > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > How was your vacation overall?
> >
> > > > > Our tour was incredibly successful, and also joyous, educational,
> > > > > entertaining with lots of great food: camel riding in the Thar dese=
> > > > [ according to some authorities they have been the foundation of even
> > > > [ the Greek schools of learning."
> > > > [
> > > > [ - 'Cheiro's Language Of The Hand' By Cheiro
> > > > [ Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1987
> > > > [ Herbert Jenkins Limited, London, 1949
> > > > [ ISBN 0-13-128398-7
> > > > [
> > > > [ Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > [ Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > How was your vacation overall?
> >
> > > > > Our tour was incredibly successful, and also joyous, educational,
> rt
> > > > > followed by a scintillating dance performance under the stars maybe
> > > > > was the best. =3DA0Seeing Agnipath in Rajmandir at Jaipur (the best
> > > > > followed by a scintillating dance performance under the stars maybe
> > > > > cinemal hall in the world) was another great expeience and took me =
> to
> > > > > the days of my youth. =3DA0We saw many really real Indians of all s=
> hapes
> > > > > and colours and backgrounds, and one and all appreciated what we we=
> re
> > > > > doing. =3DA0It is every nri papa's duty to inculcate pro-India sent=
> iments
> > > > > to his offspring, and that I did, to the satisfaction of hotel
> > > > > keepers, auto and taxiwallahs, tour guides, agents, restaurant owne=
> > > > > to his offspring, and that I did, to the satisfaction of hotel
> rs,
> > > > > shopkeepers galore, and also the general public who took keen and e=
> ven
> > > > > gaping interest as our sort was evidently new to them. =3DA0They al=
> l
> > > > > enjoyed our custom, and appreciated our generous tips. =3DA0They wa=
> nted t=3D
> > > o
> > > > > know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> > > > > convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> > > > > Bengali height by six inches.. =3DA0Then we explained we were from
> > > > > know first of all where we were from. Saying Kolkata was not too
> > > > > convincing - they were not eager to increase their perception of
> > > > > Australia, a most wonderful country, and then they were satisfied a=
> nd
> > > > > plied us with lots of questions. =3DA0Among an answer worthy of mem=
> ory =3D
> > > =3DA0is
> > > > > this, my elder daughter said that India would become a much better
> > > > > country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> > > > > clean.
> >
> > > > A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
> > > > party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
> > > > will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
> > > > and diving trips in the past.
> >
> > > So far Kangaroo Island tops the list for us. Lovely beaches, like
> > > Vivonne.
> >
> > > > > Now I am in my mother's ashram in Madhyamgram. =3DA0Will depart on =
> > > > > country than Australia if Indians could keep it equally neat and
> > > > > clean.
> >
> > > > A family I know is going to Australia next month as part of a wedding
> > > > party. They have never been there before and I told them that they
> > > > will have wonderful sights to see, as I remember them from my surfing
> > > > and diving trips in the past.
> >
> > > So far Kangaroo Island tops the list for us. Lovely beaches, like
> > > Vivonne.
> >
> the
> > > > > 7th. My daughters have made their return journeys safely, keeping m=
> any
> > > > > happy memories with them on their cameras. =3DA0The photos they hav=
> e take=3D
> > > n
> > > > > are really incredible and cannot be matched as a whole set, given w=
> hat
> > > > > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> > > > > etc.) =3DA0As I had rather expected, the place most worthy of memor=
> > > > > India is when filtered suitably (sans litter, dust, inconveniences
> y for
> > > > > all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
> >
> > > > > " Chittaur is such a fort that makes all others pathetic in compari=
> > > > > all of us will have to be Chittaurgarh.
> >
> son
> > > > > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > > > > so our guide communicated then.
> >
> > > > > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> > > > > fine was she... =3DA0Well, I got a print of a very beautiful Rajast=
> > > > > Just as Rani Padmini makes all other princesses look as donkeys."
> > > > > so our guide communicated then.
> >
> > > > > Legend goes, that one could see the sherbet go down her throat, so
> hani
> > > > > woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> > > > > likeness!
> >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > Pictures?
> >
> > > > > woman from Chittaur, and the seller said that might well be her
> > > > > likeness!
> >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > It appears that Rajasthan impressed you the most.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > Pictures?
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Sorry Jai. Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too much time
> with the goons, my bad. Thanks for reminding me. I will try to post
> some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
I work with a number of organizations that protect
> with the goons, my bad. Thanks for reminding me. I will try to post
> some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 20, 2012, 6:16:23 PM3/20/12
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>
> > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> > > > feet away from our open jeep.
>
> > > Pictures?
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > Sorry Jai. Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too much time
> > with the goons, my bad. Thanks for reminding me. I will try to post
> > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
>
> I work with a number of organizations that protect
> forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> > > > feet away from our open jeep.
>
> > > Pictures?
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > Sorry Jai. Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too much time
> > with the goons, my bad. Thanks for reminding me. I will try to post
> > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
>
> I work with a number of organizations that protect
> forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
themselves. The males fight and kill each other. I don't know if
there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
potentially young weak male elsewhere.
Myself Mallu, Yourself?
Mar 20, 2012, 11:35:33 PM3/20/12
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of a "divine soul" does travel fast), and they were trying their best to
get away from the hot air that you were likely to transmit. Survival
instincts must have kicked in big time.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 20, 2012, 11:56:44 PM3/20/12
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In article <61415413-6162-4dfd...@o3g2000pbt.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> >
> > > with the goons, my bad. =A0Thanks for reminding me. =A0I will try to post
of development. Males prefer their own territories by
instinct.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Posted in:
soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,soc.culture.bengali,alt.animals.rights.promotion,rec.animals.wildlife
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> >
> > > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > > > Pictures?
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Sorry Jai. =A0Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too much time
> > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > > > Pictures?
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > with the goons, my bad. =A0Thanks for reminding me. =A0I will try to post
> > > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
> >
> > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
> >
> >
> > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> themselves. The males fight and kill each other. I don't know if
> there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
> potentially young weak male elsewhere.
One of the major issues is the shrinking forest because
> themselves. The males fight and kill each other. I don't know if
> there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
> potentially young weak male elsewhere.
of development. Males prefer their own territories by
instinct.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,soc.culture.bengali,alt.animals.rights.promotion,rec.animals.wildlife
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 21, 2012, 1:48:50 AM3/21/12
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On Mar 21, 2:56 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <61415413-6162-4dfd-a2e5-a929410e0...@o3g2000pbt.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
related agencies are really serious about conservation.
I enjoyed Kanha not just for the animals, but also the lovely trees.
The 400 year old sal trees are safe, thus.
Other tourists said that generally speaking the national parks are
doing well, but there is no place for complacency of course.
Plenty of deer in Kanha. Since the tigers prefer eating the sweet
meat of the deer, to the salty flesh of humans, we were safe in our
open jeeps.
Our guide was much more scared of a wild bison that was very near.
This was a rogue, and in a bad temper. But I did get some very good
shots.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <61415413-6162-4dfd-a2e5-a929410e0...@o3g2000pbt.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> > > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
>
> > > > > Pictures?
>
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
>
> > > > Sorry Jai. =A0Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too much time
> > > > with the goons, my bad. =A0Thanks for reminding me. =A0I will try to post
> > > > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
>
> > > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> > themselves. The males fight and kill each other. I don't know if
> > there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
> > potentially young weak male elsewhere.
>
> One of the major issues is the shrinking forest because
> of development. Males prefer their own territories by
> instinct.
Good news here is that according to locals near Kanha the Govt and
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a few
> > > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
>
> > > > > Pictures?
>
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
>
> > > > Sorry Jai. =A0Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too much time
> > > > with the goons, my bad. =A0Thanks for reminding me. =A0I will try to post
> > > > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
>
> > > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
>
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
> > The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> > themselves. The males fight and kill each other. I don't know if
> > there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
> > potentially young weak male elsewhere.
>
> One of the major issues is the shrinking forest because
> of development. Males prefer their own territories by
> instinct.
related agencies are really serious about conservation.
I enjoyed Kanha not just for the animals, but also the lovely trees.
The 400 year old sal trees are safe, thus.
Other tourists said that generally speaking the national parks are
doing well, but there is no place for complacency of course.
Plenty of deer in Kanha. Since the tigers prefer eating the sweet
meat of the deer, to the salty flesh of humans, we were safe in our
open jeeps.
Our guide was much more scared of a wild bison that was very near.
This was a rogue, and in a bad temper. But I did get some very good
shots.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Posted in:
>
> soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,soc.culture.bengali,alt.animals.rights.promotion,rec.animals.wildlife
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Posted in:
>
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 21, 2012, 2:12:24 AM3/21/12
to
In article <115ba310-29dc-4157...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <61415413-6162-4dfd-a2e5-a929410e0...@o3g2000pbt.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a fe=
> ch time
> > > > > with the goons, my bad. =3DA0Thanks for reminding me. =3DA0I will t=
poaching and what they are doing about the problem?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Posted in:
soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,soc.culture.bengali,alt.animals.rights.promotion,rec.animals.wildlife
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <61415413-6162-4dfd-a2e5-a929410e0...@o3g2000pbt.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered a fe=
> w
> > > > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > > > > > Pictures?
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Sorry Jai. =3DA0Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting too mu=
> > > > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > > > > > Pictures?
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> ch time
> > > > > with the goons, my bad. =3DA0Thanks for reminding me. =3DA0I will t=
> ry to post
> > > > > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
> >
> > > > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > > > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > > > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > > > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> > > themselves. =A0The males fight and kill each other. I don't know if
> > > > > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
> >
> > > > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > > > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > > > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > > > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> > > there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
> > > potentially young weak male elsewhere.
> >
> > One of the major issues is the shrinking forest because
> > of development. Males prefer their own territories by
> > instinct.
> >
> > > potentially young weak male elsewhere.
> >
> > One of the major issues is the shrinking forest because
> > of development. Males prefer their own territories by
> > instinct.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Good news here is that according to locals near Kanha the Govt and
> related agencies are really serious about conservation.
> I enjoyed Kanha not just for the animals, but also the lovely trees.
> The 400 year old sal trees are safe, thus.
> Other tourists said that generally speaking the national parks are
> doing well, but there is no place for complacency of course.
> Plenty of deer in Kanha. Since the tigers prefer eating the sweet
> meat of the deer, to the salty flesh of humans, we were safe in our
> open jeeps.
> Our guide was much more scared of a wild bison that was very near.
> This was a rogue, and in a bad temper. But I did get some very good
> shots.
Appreciate the field report. Did you hear anything about
> related agencies are really serious about conservation.
> I enjoyed Kanha not just for the animals, but also the lovely trees.
> The 400 year old sal trees are safe, thus.
> Other tourists said that generally speaking the national parks are
> doing well, but there is no place for complacency of course.
> Plenty of deer in Kanha. Since the tigers prefer eating the sweet
> meat of the deer, to the salty flesh of humans, we were safe in our
> open jeeps.
> Our guide was much more scared of a wild bison that was very near.
> This was a rogue, and in a bad temper. But I did get some very good
> shots.
poaching and what they are doing about the problem?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Posted in:
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 21, 2012, 3:52:20 AM3/21/12
to
On Mar 21, 5:12 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <115ba310-29dc-4157-b1d1-786112afa...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
In Kanha there is no poaching of tigers at least.
On the train I travelled with a shikari. He claimed to have killed
tigers long ago.
He said that killing any wildlife was banned, and if caught there was
a jail sentence.
However he said that from time to time deer was hunted for food, and
no one was the wiser. He defended it saying there were too many deer.
I wondered about the langurs. There were so many of them, and who
predates upon them? Leopards, probably.
Poaching is a big issue in the Sundarbans. The tigers there are
hunted by poachers. Also, when the tigers go to Bangladesh Indian
offcials have no
control.
On the whole, local and train info. had it that at last wildlife was
doing well. They have a layered system for protection. Tigers have a
core area where
there is no development save official quarters. Then there is a
larger area where villages exist. The tigers may go there, kill a cow
or harm someone.
Then they get compensated handsomely, the rates are given - upto
Rs5000 for a cow, a few lakhs for a human. So far no human has been
harmed.
The local people really love the tigers. Our guide said that his
village had been relocated away from the core area. No tiger had ever
harmed a human there.
In fact, we felt no fear at all in the open jeep. The tigress could
easily have killed any of us if she wanted to. But she did not
bother, just sauntered off in
purely tigerish style, with total majesty.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <115ba310-29dc-4157-b1d1-786112afa...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
On the train I travelled with a shikari. He claimed to have killed
tigers long ago.
He said that killing any wildlife was banned, and if caught there was
a jail sentence.
However he said that from time to time deer was hunted for food, and
no one was the wiser. He defended it saying there were too many deer.
I wondered about the langurs. There were so many of them, and who
predates upon them? Leopards, probably.
Poaching is a big issue in the Sundarbans. The tigers there are
hunted by poachers. Also, when the tigers go to Bangladesh Indian
offcials have no
control.
On the whole, local and train info. had it that at last wildlife was
doing well. They have a layered system for protection. Tigers have a
core area where
there is no development save official quarters. Then there is a
larger area where villages exist. The tigers may go there, kill a cow
or harm someone.
Then they get compensated handsomely, the rates are given - upto
Rs5000 for a cow, a few lakhs for a human. So far no human has been
harmed.
The local people really love the tigers. Our guide said that his
village had been relocated away from the core area. No tiger had ever
harmed a human there.
In fact, we felt no fear at all in the open jeep. The tigress could
easily have killed any of us if she wanted to. But she did not
bother, just sauntered off in
purely tigerish style, with total majesty.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Posted in:
>
> soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,soc.culture.bengali,alt.animals.rights.promotion,rec.animals.wildlife
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> Posted in:
>
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 21, 2012, 4:15:09 AM3/21/12
to
In article <96b3aab5-5a15-4068...@z3g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <115ba310-29dc-4157-b1d1-786112afa...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <61415413-6162-4dfd-a2e5-a929410e0...@o3g2000pbt.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered =
> a fe=3D
> too mu=3D
> > > ch time
> > > > > > > with the goons, my bad. =3D3DA0Thanks for reminding me. =3D3DA0=
> I will t=3D
Again, I really appreciate your reports. Cue up "Hatari"
and "Born Free" DVDs for tomorrow!
In 1996 I had occasion to post:
the british conservation group
"environmental investigation
agency" says the slaughter of
tigers by poachers continues in
india, unabated. v-o-a
correspondent andre de nesnera in
london reports the group accuses
the indian government of lacking
the political will to fight the
problem.
by andre de nesnera
london
October 22, 1996
the "environmental investigation agency" says statistics
on the declining tiger population worldwide show the
magnitude of the problem facing conservationists. the
group says in 1900, the worldwide tiger population was
estimated at 80-thousand. today, there are between
five-thousand and seven-thousand -- and one-third are in
india.
the "environmental investigation agency" has just
concluded an 18-month study on tiger conservation
measures in india, and the organization is strongly
critical of the government.
the report says there is widespread tiger poaching for
bones, skins, teeth, and nails -- all of them used for
traditional chinese medicines. tiger parts are in great
demand in such countries as china, japan, south korea
and taiwan. the british group says poachers in india
are killing the animals at the rate of one or two a day.
a campaigner for endangered species at the
"environmental investigation agency" craig bennett says
the indian government is turning a blind eye to the
problem.
craig bennett:
"we also have the situation where some of the most
notorious wildlife poachers in the country are being
finally caught by dedicated enforcement staff on the
ground. but then they are being released on bail the
next day and sometimes their trials never come -- and if
they do, it might take 10-years. so it translates into
a range of measures -- but altogether they create a very
serious situation that means the tiger will not
survive in india into the next century unless something
is done."
the british conservation group says the indian
government has shown a lack of political will to save
the tiger. it calls on the indian prime minister to
reconvene the indian board for wildlife -- which has not
met in eight years -- and urges new delhi to draw up an
emergency plan to tackle what the group considers to be
the imminent demise of the tiger.
mr. bennett says the international community must also
get involved.
bennett:
"the western community, the international community
should supply the money and expertise and the resources
to help india in its battle. there is a lot of
knowledge in india but this is a very large problem and
it is going to need an international effort to solve it.
but first things first. we need the political will from
the indian government."
a senior spokesman for the indian embassy in london
strongly rejected the accusations from the
"environmental investigation agency". he described the
report as ill-founded and un-informed. the spokesman
said the indian government has been involved in a large
conservation effort since the 1980's entitled "project
tiger". he said that effort has contributed to an
increase in the tiger population in his country.
(signed) neb/aden/jwh/rae
22-oct-96 9:15 am edt (1315 utc) nnnn report 2-204956
source: voice of america
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <115ba310-29dc-4157-b1d1-786112afa...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <61415413-6162-4dfd-a2e5-a929410e0...@o3g2000pbt.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, and the tigress at Kanha National Park that sauntered =
> a fe=3D
> > > w
> > > > > > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > > > > > > > Pictures?
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > Sorry Jai. =3D3DA0Still haven't got down to that. I am wasting =
> > > > > > > > > feet away from our open jeep.
> >
> > > > > > > > Pictures?
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> too mu=3D
> > > ch time
> > > > > > > with the goons, my bad. =3D3DA0Thanks for reminding me. =3D3DA0=
> I will t=3D
> > > ry to post
> > > > > > > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
> >
> > > > > > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > > > > > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > > > > > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > > > > > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> > > > > themselves. =3DA0The males fight and kill each other. I don't know =
> > > > > > > some pictures before we leave for Europe next month.
> >
> > > > > > I work with a number of organizations that protect
> > > > > > forests and wildlife in Bharat and elsewhere, so viewing
> > > > > > unique or recent pictures of endangered animals is of
> > > > > > great interest to me. Dhanyavaad.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > The problem now with the tigers is that they are endangering
> if
> > > > > there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
> > > > > potentially young weak male elsewhere.
> >
> > > > One of the major issues is the shrinking forest because
> > > > of development. Males prefer their own territories by
> > > > instinct.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Good news here is that according to locals near Kanha the Govt and
> > > related agencies are really serious about conservation.
> > > I enjoyed Kanha not just for the animals, but also the lovely trees.
> > > The 400 year old sal trees are safe, thus.
> > > Other tourists said that generally speaking the national parks are
> > > doing well, but there is no place for complacency of course.
> > > Plenty of deer in Kanha. =A0Since the tigers prefer eating the sweet
> > > > > there are programs to isolate them, take away the wounded or
> > > > > potentially young weak male elsewhere.
> >
> > > > One of the major issues is the shrinking forest because
> > > > of development. Males prefer their own territories by
> > > > instinct.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Good news here is that according to locals near Kanha the Govt and
> > > related agencies are really serious about conservation.
> > > I enjoyed Kanha not just for the animals, but also the lovely trees.
> > > The 400 year old sal trees are safe, thus.
> > > Other tourists said that generally speaking the national parks are
> > > doing well, but there is no place for complacency of course.
> > > meat of the deer, to the salty flesh of humans, we were safe in our
> > > open jeeps.
> > > Our guide was much more scared of a wild bison that was very near.
> > > This was a rogue, and in a bad temper. =A0But I did get some very good
> > > open jeeps.
> > > Our guide was much more scared of a wild bison that was very near.
> > > shots.
> >
> > Appreciate the field report. Did you hear anything about
> > poaching and what they are doing about the problem?
> >
> >
> > Appreciate the field report. Did you hear anything about
> > poaching and what they are doing about the problem?
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
and "Born Free" DVDs for tomorrow!
In 1996 I had occasion to post:
the british conservation group
"environmental investigation
agency" says the slaughter of
tigers by poachers continues in
india, unabated. v-o-a
correspondent andre de nesnera in
london reports the group accuses
the indian government of lacking
the political will to fight the
problem.
by andre de nesnera
london
October 22, 1996
the "environmental investigation agency" says statistics
on the declining tiger population worldwide show the
magnitude of the problem facing conservationists. the
group says in 1900, the worldwide tiger population was
estimated at 80-thousand. today, there are between
five-thousand and seven-thousand -- and one-third are in
india.
the "environmental investigation agency" has just
concluded an 18-month study on tiger conservation
measures in india, and the organization is strongly
critical of the government.
the report says there is widespread tiger poaching for
bones, skins, teeth, and nails -- all of them used for
traditional chinese medicines. tiger parts are in great
demand in such countries as china, japan, south korea
and taiwan. the british group says poachers in india
are killing the animals at the rate of one or two a day.
a campaigner for endangered species at the
"environmental investigation agency" craig bennett says
the indian government is turning a blind eye to the
problem.
craig bennett:
"we also have the situation where some of the most
notorious wildlife poachers in the country are being
finally caught by dedicated enforcement staff on the
ground. but then they are being released on bail the
next day and sometimes their trials never come -- and if
they do, it might take 10-years. so it translates into
a range of measures -- but altogether they create a very
serious situation that means the tiger will not
survive in india into the next century unless something
is done."
the british conservation group says the indian
government has shown a lack of political will to save
the tiger. it calls on the indian prime minister to
reconvene the indian board for wildlife -- which has not
met in eight years -- and urges new delhi to draw up an
emergency plan to tackle what the group considers to be
the imminent demise of the tiger.
mr. bennett says the international community must also
get involved.
bennett:
"the western community, the international community
should supply the money and expertise and the resources
to help india in its battle. there is a lot of
knowledge in india but this is a very large problem and
it is going to need an international effort to solve it.
but first things first. we need the political will from
the indian government."
a senior spokesman for the indian embassy in london
strongly rejected the accusations from the
"environmental investigation agency". he described the
report as ill-founded and un-informed. the spokesman
said the indian government has been involved in a large
conservation effort since the 1980's entitled "project
tiger". he said that effort has contributed to an
increase in the tiger population in his country.
(signed) neb/aden/jwh/rae
22-oct-96 9:15 am edt (1315 utc) nnnn report 2-204956
source: voice of america
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 21, 2012, 8:15:18 AM3/21/12
to
On Mar 21, 7:15 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <96b3aab5-5a15-4068-9768-7c20963e5...@z3g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>,
The culture in the Jabalpur-Satna area is pro-tiger. I found no
English dailies in Satna. In the evening people do arati in temples.
While highly littered,
people are good and honest, I found. But some parks are now not having
any tigers any more. Like Panna, through which we passed. Don't know
what will
happen, but this I must say that there is absolutely nothing like
seeing a tiger in the wild...
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <96b3aab5-5a15-4068-9768-7c20963e5...@z3g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>,
English dailies in Satna. In the evening people do arati in temples.
While highly littered,
people are good and honest, I found. But some parks are now not having
any tigers any more. Like Panna, through which we passed. Don't know
what will
happen, but this I must say that there is absolutely nothing like
seeing a tiger in the wild...
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 21, 2012, 9:28:02 PM3/21/12
to
Forwarded post by Arindam Banerjee
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/msg/f40d0b69034be8ee
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!msg/soc.culture.indian/wwQ4LkfM4bc/7uhLA2kLDfQJ
[ Subject: The MMI bungle pointed out, once again... THROW OUT MODERN PHYSICS!
[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com>
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa,sci.physics,
[ alt.philosophy,soc.culture.australian
[ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Asking very politely, have you pointed out Einstein's errors
> to the scientific world through a paper, or in a technical
> colloquium?
Yes. Back in 2005 I published the errors involved in the analysis of
the MMI experiment. On and off, I have mentioned it. It is present
in Usenet. I am reproducing the article below. If you are interested
you can follow all the links in google groups with keywords such as
Michelson Morley Arindam Banerjee Einstein.
I hold that Usenet discussions on science are at least as valid as
held in any other fora. For anyone can take part in it. It is the
most public way to analyse any matter, since any one can take part.
There is no compulsion, no holding back save for those who have
something to hide, such as their real identities.
****
The Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment, with its famously
unexpected null results, is the sole source and also remains the core
hard undeniable scientific evidence for the theories of relativity.
One of the outstanding features about this experiment is that it is
simple in concept, and has been done with painstaking efforts by many
scientists.
In this article, I will quote exhaustively from a textbook (details
below) about the nature and philosophical background behind this
experiment and will pinpoint the great blunder that was made in the
analysis of the null results. I will show as clearly as can be, the
nature of this blunder. I hope and believe that the intelligent
reader
will understand the subtlety underlying this very fine error, and
grasp
the enormous and highly positive consequences - with the
re-invigoration of physics from the most fundamental level.
Arindam Banerjee
Melbourne, July 2005.
Reference:
Textbook Details:
"Physics of the Atom", by M. Russell Wehr and James A. Richards,
Jr. of the Department of Physics, Drexel Institute of Technology.
Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc.
First Printed in 1964.
______________________________=AC_________________________
"This book is neither a treatise nor a survey. It is a textbook
which bridges the gap between classical physics and the present
frontiers of physical investigation." - extract from the Preface, by
the writers. Philadelphia, Pa., July 1959.
Chapter 5 - Relativity (excerpts)
Pg111 ->
5-1 Consider the interpretations of physical events that might be
made
by a person of high IQ born and brought up on a merry-go-round. He
would experience a force somewhat like the force of gravity. It
would
be down at the centre of rotation, and, because of the centrifugal
component, it would be directed down and out at points away from the
centre.
If our merry-go-round observer were to have the genius to devise a
whole system of mechanics, the mechanics he would devise would not be
the mechanics of Newton.
For Newton's laws to be valid precisely, we must observe events from
what is called an inertial frame of a Galilean-Newtonian co-ordinate
system. Such a system is one which has no acceleration. The whole
structure of classical physics, then, is based on the assumption that
we interpret all events as they would be interpreted by an observer
whose viewpoint is an inertial reference frame.
The genius of Newton is, in part, that although he never could step
off
the earth physically, he did step off it mentally. He interpreted
events as though he had no acceleration. Because of this shift in
his
viewpoint, he was able to write his laws of mechanics in the
particularly simple form that he did.
But Newton never really knew where he projected himself to, and this
worried him. He excluded the earth as a vantage point because the
earth not only rotates but revolves around the sun. The sun offered
possibilities, but even the sun moves and is probably accelerated
through space. The stellar constellations were named by the ancients
and the stability of their arrangement led to their being called the
"fixed" stars. Yet it would be the strangest of co-incidences if
the "fixed" stars really were fixed.
It would seem that, however, that if we locate a frame of reference
so
that it is fixed relative to the stars, this vantage point will be
sufficiently steady for Newton's laws to serve well for every
practical purpose. Such a vantage point is good enough for the
practical men who want to fly aircraft, etc. But for a philosopher or
physicist whose primary concern is the understanding of the nature of
things and whose goal is the discovery of truth, uncertainty about
the
frame of reference represented a serious flaw in the logical
structure
of classical physics.
5-2 The search for something more fixed than the stars went
something
like this. James Clerk Maxwell demonstrated that electricity and
light
are related phenomena. Starting with known properties of electricity
and magnetism, Maxwell derived equations which are identical in form
to
the equations which describe many wave phenomena. He could
demonstrate, furthermore, that the velocity of the waves he
discovered
was the same as the velocity of light. He could derive many other
properties of light, and it was soon accepted that he had put the
wave
theory of light on a firm foundation. In this theory, light is an
electromagnetic wave motion.
Every wave motion has something that "waves". Surely, it was
argued, light waves must involve the waving of something even in free
space. No one knew what it was, but it was given the name
"luminiferous ether".
Light passes through many kinds of materials. It passes through
relatively heavy materials like glass, and it passes through the
nearly
perfect vacuum that must lie between the stars and the earth. Thus
ether must permeate all of space.
However fanciful it may seem to us, physicists felt that this ether
might be just the thing to which to attach a Newtonian co-ordinate
system. It was conceived that Newton's laws would hold exactly for
an observer moving without acceleration relative to the ether.
If the ether is assumed to be at rest, then the interesting question
is: How fast are we moving through the ether? Since all speculations
about the ether stem from its properties as a medium for carrying
light, an optical experiment is indicated. It is not hard to compute
how sensitive the apparatus must be to measure the ether drift.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the sun has no ether drift,
the velocity of the earth through the ether must be its orbital
velocity. If the sun has an ether drift, then the drift of the earth
will be even greater than its orbital velocity at some seasons.
Knowing that the earth's orbit is about 93 million miles, we can find
the orbital velocity to be about 18.5 miles per second. By
performing
the experiment at the best season of the year, we know that we should
be able to find an ether drift of at least 18.5 mi/sec. The velocity
of light is 186,000 mi/sec. Great as our orbital velocity is, it is
only .0001 times the velocity of light; so it is evident that a very
sensitive instrument is required.
5-3 A device of sufficient sensitivity was made and used in the
United
States by Michelson and Morley in 1887. The principle of their
apparatus is brought out by the following analogy.
Suppose two equally fast swimmers undertake a race in a river between
floats anchored to the river bed.
(Arindam's note: please note the expression - "floats anchored to
the river bed" meaning that they are stuck to the ground, or the
inertial frame of reference. Also let us mutter here, with Galileo,
that the earth, it moves!)
_____________________River Bank______________________
C
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
A D
______________________River Bank_______________________
Two equal courses, each having a total length 2L, are laid out from
the
starting point, float A. One course is AD, parallel to the flow of
the
river relative to the earth, and the other AC, perpendicular to it.
How will the times compare if each of the swimmers goes out and back
on
his course? Let the speed of each swimmer relative to the water be
c,
and let the water drift or velocity with respect to the earth be v.
When the swimmer on the parallel course goes downstream, his velocity
will add to that of the water, giving him a resultant velocity of (c
+v)
with respect to the earth. The time required for him to swim the
distance L from A to D is L/(c+v). On his return, he must overcome
the
water drift. His net velocity then is (c-v), and his return time is
L/(c-v). His total time is the sum of these two times. This is given
by
Time_parallel =3D L/(c+v) + L/(c-v) =3D 2Lc/(cc - vv).
The other swimmer, going perpendicular to the water drift, spends the
same time on each half of his trip, but he must head upstream if he
is
not to be carried away by the current. The component of his velocity
that carries him toward his goal is the square root of (cc - vv) with
respect to the earth. The total time for his trip also depends on
the
water drift, and is
Time perpendicular =3D 2L/(square root of (cc - vv)).
To see how these two times compare, we divide the parallel course
time,
by the perpendicular course time, to get
Time parallel/Time perpendicular =3D 1/(square root of (1 - vv/cc))
In still water v=3D0, the ratio of the times is unity, and the race is
a
tie, as we would expect. In slowly moving water, the ratio is
greater
than unity and the swimmer on the perpendicular course wins; or put
differently, if the swimmers are stroking in phase when they leave
float A, they will be out of phase when they return to it. If the
velocity of the river increases to nearly that of the swimmer, then
the
ratio tends towards infinity. If the river velocity exceeds the
swimmer velocity, the entire analysis breaks down. The ratio becomes
imaginary and both swimmers are swept off the course by the current.
The point is that, by observing the race, the velocity of the water
relative to the system of anchored floats can be measured.
The optical equivalent of the above situation is to have a race
between
two light rays over identical courses, one parallel and one
perpendicular to the ether drift. The instrument used, is called a
Michelson interferometer, is shown schematically below.
_C_ .
_B_
Light entry
_________A //_______________D
____observer (eye, telescope)
Light enters the apparatus from the source at the left. At A it
strikes a glass mirror (angled at 45 deg) which has a half-silvered
surface. Half the light is reflected up toward B and C, while the
other half refracts at both surfaces of A and emerges parallel to the
original beam and goes on to D. Both C and D are full-silvered,
front-surface mirrors which turn their beams back towards A. The
beam
from C is partly reflected at A, but part of that beam refracts
through
A and goes to the observer. The beam from D partially refracts
through
A and is lost, but part of the beam is also reflected toward the
observer. The plate of glass at B has the same thickness and
inclination as that at A, so that the two light paths from source to
observer pass through the same number of glass thicknesses. If the
light from the slit did not diverge and remained very narrow in going
through the apparatus, the observer would see a line of light. The
brightness of this line would depend on the difference in the optical
length* of the two light paths. (*Footnote: Two paths have the same
optical length if light traverses both in the same time.
The optical lengths of the interferometer paths can be changed by
changing their physical length, by changing the index of refraction
of
the region through which the light passes, or, if the swimming
analogy
applies, by moving the apparatus relative to the light-carrying
medium.) If these (optical lengths) differed by any whole number of
wavelengths of the light (including zero) the line would be bright.
If
the path differed by an odd number of half-wavelengths, then the line
would be dark. Between these extremes every brightness gradation
would
be observed. In practice, light does diverge in the apparatus, and
there are a great many slightly different paths being traversed
simultaneously. Consequently the observer does not see but a
multiplicity of lines. The loci of points where the paths differ by
whole wavelengths are bright, and where the paths differ by an odd
number of half-wavelengths there is darkness. Thus, as one path
length
is varied, the observer sees fringes, like the teeth of a comb, move
across the field, rather than a single line becoming lighter and
darker. It is fortunate that the optical system works as it does,
since it is easier for the eye to detect differences in position than
differences in intensity.
The precision of this device is remarkable. If yellow light from
Sodium
is used, the wavelength is 5.893*10**-7 m. Moving the mirror C away
from A one-half this distance will increase one path length by a
whole
wavelength and cause the pattern to move an amount equal to the
separation of two adjacent dark lines. If we can estimate to
hundredths of fringes, then the smallest detectable motion is only
2.9*10**-9m.
The similarity between the Michelson interferometer and the swimming
race should be evident. Light corresponds to the swimmers and has
the
free-space velocity, c, with respect to the ether medium. The ether
drift corresponds to the water current drift and has the velocity v
with respect to the earth. Just as we could learn about the river
flow
by seeing the outcome of the swimmers' race, so we wish to measure
the ether drift by conducting a "light race" over equal paths
parallel and perpendicular to the ether drift.
Suppose that instead of taking the ratio of the times for the two
paths
of the river race we now take their difference; then
t =3D time difference =3D 2Lc/(cc-vv) - 2L/square root of(cc-vv) =3D
Lvv/ccc after using the first two terms of the binomial expansion, to
a
good approximation if v<<c.
In the interferometer, the time difference should appear as a fringe
shift from the position the fringes would have if there were NO ether
drift. The distance light moves in a time t is d=3Dct and if this
distance represents n waves of wavelength W, then d=3DnW. Therefore
the
fringe shift would be n=3DLvv/(Wcc)
Thus if the light race is carried out with speed of light c and
wavelength W in an interferometer whose arms are of length L, one of
which is parallel to the ether drift of velocity v, then the equation
n=3DLvv/(Wcc) gives the number of fringes that should be displaced
because of the motion of the earthe through the ether compared with
their positions if the earth were AT REST in the ether.
5-4 The Michelson-Morley Experiment. The apparatus used was large
and
had its effective arm length increased to about 10 m by using
additional mirrors to fold up the path. The entire apparatus was
floated on mercury so that it could be rotated at constant speed
without introducing strains that would deform the apparatus.
ROTATION
WAS NECESSARY in order to make the fringes shift, and by rotating
through 90deg, first one arm and then the other could be made
parallel
to the drift, thereby doubling the fringe displacement given in the
earlier equation. We can now estimate whether this instrument should
be sensitive enough to detect the ether drift. Recall that at some
time of the year the ether drift v was expected to be at least the
orbital velocity of the earth, which is about .0001c. Thus we expect
vv/cc to be at least 10**-8. Using light of wavelength 5*10**-7 m,
the
computed shift is n=3D0.4 fringe. Michelson and Morley estimated that
they could detect a shift of 0.01 fringe. Sensitivity to spare!
Measurements were made over an extended period of time at all seasons
of the year, but no significant fringe shift was observed. Thinking
that the earth might drag a little either along with it just as a
boat
carries a thin layer of water when it glides, Michelson and Morley
took
the entire apparatus to a mountain laboratory in search of a site
which
would project into the drifting ether. Again a diligent search
failed
to measure an ether drift. The experiment "failed".
Few experimental failures have been more stimulating than this. The
negative result of the Michelson-Morley experiment presented a
challenge to explain its failure. Fitzgerald and Lorentz presented
an
ad hoc explanation. They pointed out that there might be an
interaction between the ether and objects moving relative to it, such
that the object became shorter in all its dimensions parallel to the
relative velocity. Recall that in the flowing water analogy the
ratio
of the times of the swimmers was
1/square-root of (1-vv/cc).
If the route parallel to the flow had been shorter by this factor,
then
the ratio of the times would have been one and the race would have
been
a tie. A similar shortening of the parallel interferometer arm would
account for the tie race Michelson and Morley always observed. The
shortening could never be measured because any rule used to measure
it
would also be moving relative to the ether and would shorten also.
Whether you accept the Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction hypothesis or
not, the Michelson-Morley experiment indicates that all observers who
measure the velocity of light will get the same result regardless of
their own velocity through space.
5-5 The constant velocity of light. Michelson and Morley found that
the speed of the earth through space made no difference in the speed
of
light relative to them. The inference is clear: either that the
earth
moves in some way through ether space more slowly than it moves about
the sun, or that ALL OBSERVERS MUST FIND THAT THEIR MOTION THROUGH
SPACE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN THE SPEED OF LIGHT RELATIVE TO THEM.
The above inference was clear, at least to Einstein, who took the
second alternative and made it a cornerstone of his special theory of
relativity.
Recall that the Michelson-Morley experiment was carried out to
measure
the speed of the earth relative to the ether in order to establish a
frame of reference relative to which Newton's laws would hold. The
failure of that experiment meant that the search for the fixed
reference system must be made by another technique or abandoned
altogether. Einstein explored the alternative of abandonment. He
asked himself where he would stand (both literally and figuratively)
if
there were no "Newtonian" frame of reference. In this case there
could be no absolute velocities, for every velocity would have to be
measured relative to an origin that might and probably would be
moving.
Since there can be no preferred frame of reference, any frame must
be
as good as any other. To be universal, the laws of physics must be
the
same for all observers regardless of any motion they may have.
Contrary to the first paragraphs of this chapter, one's viewpoint
MUST MAKE NO DIFFERENCE in one's interpretation of events observed.
If he is to be correct, the man born and brought up on a merry-go-
round
must deduce the same laws of physics as anyone else.
**** End of exhaustive quotations from the textbook "Physics of the
Atom", from 5-1 to 5-5. The following sections, in brief, are about:
5-6 General and Special theories of relativity.
5-7 Classical Relativity
5-8 Einsteinian Relativity. Quote: p123 The Michelson-Morley
experiment was based on the assumption that since the classical
velocity transformation is not invariant, it should be possible to
measure the velocity of light in the ether relative to the earth.
The
experiment demonstrated that at least one velocity is invariant - the
velocity of light. Einstein accepted this as a second fundamental
assumption of this special theory of relativity. He postulated that:
(2) ALL OBSERVERS MUST FIND THE SAME VALUE OF THE FREE-SPACE VELOCITY
OF LIGHT REGARDLESS OF ANY MOTION THEY MAY HAVE.
5-9 Relativistic space-time transformation equations.
5-10 The relativistic velocity transformation
5-11 Relativistic mass transformation
5-12 Relativistic mass-energy equivalence
5-13 The upper limit of velocity
5-14 Examples of relativistic calculations
5-15 Pair production
5-16 Summary. We have seen how Einstein's attention to a flaw in
logic in Newtonian mechanics led him to consider the importance of an
observer's viewpoint. We have seen how the "failure" of the
Michelson-Morley experiment led Einstein to assign special
significance
to the velocity of light in free space. We have seen how these
considerations led to new concepts of space, time, mass, energy, and
matter. When we realize that this was but one of Einstein's
achievements, we begin to sense the magnitude of his contribution to
human thought.
(End of quotes from the book "Physics of the Atom".)
****
Before I tackle the most fundamental issues relating to the
Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment - and yet again expose the
bungle there, this time as clearly as possible - let me first, with
sadness, reflect upon the horrendous consequences of this most
pernicious theory of relativity.
The deepest theories of physics are by no means complete in
themselves,
with some relevance to engineering; they have an intimate connection
with individual and social life, by providing the practical basis for
individual and group thought structures. By outing the need for any
absolute frame of reference, Einstein's relativity implicitly gave
the license to all forms of individual and social thinking as equally
valid. Thus, the thinking of the child molester or serial killer is
as
valid - from the extension of Einstein's relativity to real life - as
the thinking of the law enforcer or saint. There is no basis for
differentiation between virtue and vice, between appearance and
reality. All are equally valid in the same relativist currency.
What
is truth, or what is lie, becomes merely a matter of opinion
announced
and imposed by the loudest and the strongest of the time.
Thus I see the stupidities, indecencies, and the extraordinary
bloody-mindedness of the 20th century (a century of world wars, mass
murders, extreme human inequalities; now leading to another dominated
by selfishness, fear and greed) as an indirect yet inescapable
consequence of Einstein's theories, to some extent. Men can turn
into self-important brats more easily, as their subconscious can now
find good excuse, from the supposedly undeniable basics of physics,
to
disregard absolute checks upon behaviour. Einstein himself showed
this, when he felt no constraints about writing a letter to the
President of the USA urging the development of the atomic bomb;
knowing
fully well that its development would cause immense evil.
For in a relativistic mental set-up, there can be no high and defined
end to aspire unto; there can be no striving for the realization of
absolute truths as fixed goals. There is, thus, only the scope of
degeneration of whatever remaining values that were handed down by
the
non-relativists of earlier generations. This is painfully evident
from
the moral atrophy and social degeneration in modern societies; as
also
from those failed communist regimes where the whims of dictators
became
the highest values for all.
______________________________=AC_______________________
It is evident from the above (extracts from the paras 5.1 to 5.5 of
the
textbook "Physics of the atom) that the entire basis of Einstein's
theory of relativity depends upon the null result of the Michelson
-Morley interferometer experiment. This single fact is of vital
importance. Equally important is that analogy given earlier,
relating
to the swimmer; swimming parallel to, and perpendicular to, the
flowing
river. For based upon this analogy, and this analogy alone, was the
logic and also the mathematics for the analysis of the Michelson-
Morley
interferometer experiment developed.
Let us see how far this analogy relates to the dynamics of light on
this our moving earth. The diagram is redrawn below:
_____________________River Bank______________________
C
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and between A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
River Bank ____ A_____________________D
We must note here, once again, that in this analogy A, C and D are
fixed floats on the river bed. So, while the swimmer himself is
affected by the flow of water, which gives him a higher or lower
speed
depending upon his direction, the floats are not affected at all.
They
are stuck to the river bed, and thus, have the same fixedness as the
river bank.
If this analogy (with respect to the motion of earth in ether) is
correct, then the subsequent mathematics (that gives us the famous
Lorentz transformation) is correct. But is this analogy correct?
For the analogy to hold, the river is the Earth moving with speed v
and
the river bank is the ether or absolute frame of reference. Any
object
floating on the river, then, has to have the same speed of the river.
When an object is stuck to the river bed (not allowed to drift) it is
implicitly given a velocity of -v, so that its net velocity with
respect to the river bank frame of reference is v-v=3D0.
This implicit, totally arbitrary giving of a negative velocity to the
float, equal to the velocity of the river flow, making it thus fixed
with respect to the river bank, was completely missed by all the
physicists, past and present. However, it is an absolute and
undeniable fact that all the stationary objects on Earth have the
same
velocity v around the Sun, since the Earth is moving with that
tangential speed around the Sun, according to Galileo and all later
non-Aristotelian astronomers. There is no way it is possible to give
any object on earth a negative velocity through some external ether
hook-up process! All objects on Earth move at the same speed v. So
we
do not see objects from Earth being left behind, as it were, as we
orbit the Sun! There is no way we can go to and from goal posts
fixed
in the ether reference! Nor can light travel to and from goal posts
fixed in the ether reference!
However, by fixing the floats on the river bed (which is the same
reference as the river bank) all the physicists have implicitly
assumed
all the above. They have kept the floats fixed in the ether
reference,
while implicitly holding they are in the Earthly reference. This
implies that the Earth is not moving at all! For if the Earth is
moving, there could be no question of keeping the floats fixed to the
river bed, for any valid analogy. They would have to drift with the
velocity v with respect to the river bank.
So the terrible mistake in this analogy was to keep the floats fixed
to
the river bed/ether, as opposed to letting it drift with the flow.
The
importance of this point simply cannot be overstated. When extended
to
the Michelson-Morley experimental set-up, this means - absolutely! -
that all the mirrors stay fixed in etheric space while the earth
moves
away from them with velocity v! Ridiculous! But this is exactly
what
must happen when we extend the analogy of the swimmers, with the
floats
drifting but fixed to the river bed, to the apparatus in the so-vital
Michelson-Morley interferometry experiment.
Bodies, and light, can, have to, and do travel to and from "goal
posts" fixed in the moving Earthly reference! There is simply no way
in which the mirrors used in the Michelson-Morley experiment can be
assumed to remain fixed in etheric space, while the Earth moves away
from the set-up! If we admit this, then we must allow that the
swimming analogy was flawed. The correct analogy would be to cut the
floats loose, and let them drift with the velocity v.
Now let us see the consequences of this change.
_____________________River Bank______________________
C C'
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and between A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
A A' D D'
______________________River Bank_______________________
The figure above shows the change of position of the float with time.
As earlier there are two equal lengths L, marked out by the
perpendicular course AC and the parallel course AD. (L=3DAC=3DAD). But
now the floats are *not* fixed to the river bed, so they drift with
velocity v. After time t, which is L/c, they move to the points A',
C' and D'.
t=3DL/c is the time the swimmer would have swum the lengths L in the
absence of flow, that is, with v=3D0.
So AA', DD' and CC' are all of length vt or vL/c.
Let us take the swimmer taking the route AD, parallel to the river
bank. He starts from A, towards D. He has the speed (c+v) as he is
swimming with the flow. Since the target float D is moving, the
swimmer now has to travel a further distance DD' to catch up. So, he
has actually swum the distance AD' instead of the earlier AD. AD'
=3D AD+DD'.
So he has swum the length L+vL/c, with the speed c+v. The time it
would take him to do that will be (L+vL/c)/(c+v).
Now (L+vL/c)/(c+v) =3D L(1+v/c)/(c+v) =3DL(1+v/c)/(c(1+v/c)) =3D L/c =3D t.
Which means, no matter what the speed of the river, the swimmer would
reach his goal float in the same time, provided the float was *not*
tethered, freely drifting instead.
Now let us consider the route AC, that is the one perpendicular to
the
river bank. The swimmer swims with velocity c in the perpendicular
direction, but is pushed sideways as a result of the flow. He has an
additional component of velocity thus, which pushes him sideways to
the
float which also has moved by the distance CC' in the time t. The
magnitude of the velocity of the swimmer, on his way to C' has to be
square root of (cc+vv).
The distance he covers is square root of (L*L + vt*vt) or square root
of (L*L + v*v*L*L/(c*c)) or (L/c)*square root of (cc+vv). So the
time
taken to cover this distance will be distance/speed or L/c*square
root
of (cc+vv)/square root of (cc+vv) which is L/c which again is t.
So no matter whether the swimmer is swimming with the current or
perpendicular to the current - if the floats are drifting, he will
always cover the distances involved in exactly the same time as if
there was no flow in the water.
For the sake of completion, we now consider the return journeys in
both
the parallel and perpendicular directions.
_____________________River Bank______________________
C C' C''
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and between A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
A A' A'' D D' D''
______________________River Bank_______________________
Over the time 2t, the floats will have moved the distances AA'',
DD'' and CC''. The swimmer on the parallel path, having
reached the float at D, turns back towards the float and will meet it
at the point A''. The distance he now covers is D'A" which is
A'D'-A'A" or L-vt or L-vL/c or L(1-v/c). The speed of the
swimmer is (c-v) as he is going against the flow. So the time taken
by
the swimmer to reach the float on the return journey is L(1-v/c)/(c-
v)
or L(1-v/c)/(c(1-v/c)) =3D L/c =3D t.
In the perpendicular path, the swimmer covers the distance C'A''.
Using the earlier analysis, we can once again find that the time it
would take him to cover this distance would be t. (His speed would
be
the same as that going from A to C'; and the distance C'A'' is
also the same as AC'.)
We thus see that no matter what angle the direction of travel, the
time
for travel for a source between two points in a medium which has no
matter what velocity with respect to some fixed reference, is always
the same. This goes totally against all modern physics, which is
relativistic, and based upon the Lorentz transformation dealt with
earlier.
We now see what really happened in the Michelson-Morley
interferometer
experiment. The diagram is given again below, with some changes
following our earlier discussion.
C__C'
____ B
Light entry A A' A''
___________ // |D D'
______ observer (telescope, film)
Light going through A will be reflected by the mirror not at position
D
but at a further distance, at D'. The light will thus travel the
path AD' with the speed (c+v) which is the path AD+DD'; DD' being
the extra distance it will have to move, because the Earth is moving,
and the mirror along with everything else is fixed on the Earth.
Since
the Earth is moving, the mirror D moves the extra distance DD' by the
time the light starting from A reaches it. Since the Earth is
moving,
the partially silvered mirror at A moves the distance AA' when the
light originating from A reaches D'. On the return path, the light
will travel backwards from D', towards the partially silvered mirror,
with the speed (c-v) and will meet the partially silvered mirror at
A''. The partially silvered mirror will move the further distance
A'A" by the time it takes the returning beam of light to meet it.
Thus the formulation is exactly the same as it was in our case for
the
swimmer doing the parallel course. Both going and coming times will
be
exactly the same, that is t=3DL/c. Totally independent of the velocity
of the source of light!
In the perpendicular direction, the speed will be square root of
(cc+vv). Because of its initial speed v, the light will have to move
in on the moving mirror initially at C at an angle and with a higher
magnitude of velocity - just as any stone thrown out parallel to and
from a moving train, with respect to the ground. It will reach it at
the position C'. This light will also have to travel the extra
distance (square root of (L*L + v*v*L*L/(c*c)) - L). As we have
seen, the time to cover this will be L/c=3Dt. Again, this time is
totally independent of the velocity of the source of the light.
>From the above, it is clear that the return times are exactly the same
no matter what the direction of the light source. Thus, the rotation
of the whole apparatus - as was done - should not lead to any
change in results at all, relating to the interferometer pattern.
The
null result is entirely to be expected. A wrong analogy had led to a
wrong expectation. But with the correct analogy, the right results
(the null results) were obtained.
The consequences are drastic. The existence of ether as the medium
of
propagation of all electromagnetic waves (including light waves) is
upheld. It had been wrongly demolished. We also find that the speed
of light does change with the speed of the light emitting source. If
the speed of the light source is v, with respect to ether, then the
speed of light with respect to ether, when directed in the direction
of
v, is c+v. The null results of the Michelson-Morley interferometer
experiment confirm both of the above. The speed of light cannot be
constant, irrespective of the speed of the source.
To confirm this, let us now do the above analysis again. This time,
following Einstein's Postulate (given below, and quoted from the text
book), we take c to be always c and never anything more or less.
Thus
on the parallel path, the time taken to cover the distance AD' will
be (L+vL/c)/c and D'A" will take (L-vL/c)/c which is 2L/c or 2t.
However, in the perpendicular path, the times will be square root of
(L*L + v*v*L*L/(c*c))/c. That is, t*square root of (1+vv/cc) for the
going path and the same for the return path, giving 2*t*square root
of
(1 + vv/cc). This is different from the parallel path, which is 2t.
So, if the speed c of light is always constant, and independent of
the
speed of the light-emitting source, as per the current thinking, then
the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment would have shown the
fringes, with our corrected analysis! How ironic!
All the Einsteinian constructions resulting from the Michelson-Morley
interferometer experiments are thus reduced to glaring nonsense. For
Einstein's first postulate, the basis behind all his theories of
relativity, namely,
ALL OBSERVERS MUST FIND THE SAME VALUE OF THE FREE-SPACE VELOCITY OF
LIGHT REGARDLESS OF ANY MOTION THEY MAY HAVE
as simply wrong. Wrong. Proved wrong, logically and mathematically,
using the results of painstakingly done experiments.
To make my point, further, with mathematics, for the general case of
light proceeding at any angle (and not just the two angles, zero
degrees and ninety degrees) let us consider the light source going at
an angle (theta) with respect to the parallel path. We use the same
notations (L,v,t,c) as used earlier.
Then, the velocity of light will be in that direction:
Square root of ((c*cos(theta)+v)^2 + (c*sin(theta)^2), by breaking up
the speed c along two the x-y components, and adding the flow speed v
to the parallel component. Note: the ^2 means squaring the bracketed
expression ahead of it. After expansion, the above expression
becomes
square root of (c*c + v*v + 2v*c*cos(theta)).
Within time t, the float/mirror will have moved the distance vt =3D vL/
c
along the parallel path. The distance the swimmer/light will have to
move is thus:
Square root of ((L*cos(theta)+v*L/c)^2 + (L*sin(theta)^2). Which
after
expansion becomes (L/c)*square root of (c*c + v*v +2v*c*cos(theta)).
Dividing the distance traveled by the speed of travel, we get the
time
as L/c for the general case of light proceeding at any angle from the
source as being t=3DL/c, completely independent of the velocity of v.
So what is really happening? What are the so-called relativistic
effects of Einstein, really? Really, what is happening (and this is
a
completely original thought, given right now) is that between any two
points on a body like Earth moving with a speed higher than zero with
respect to a fixed frame of reference; the actual distance traveled
by
a ray of light, from one point to the other, is usually different
from
the actual measured distance. So, if we mark out two points on
Earth,
and measure the distance between them carefully, then, the ray of
light
will always move a distance more or less than the marked distance,
except for just one particular angle. This angle can be found easily
from the above formula for the actual length traveled, thus by
putting
the expression
v*v + 2v*c*cos(theta) =3D 0;
or theta =3D inverse of cos(-v/(2*c)).
Arindam Banerjee.
Melbourne, August 2005.
Author's Note: This article can be freely distributed for discussion
strictly for non-commercial purposes only. Comments are welcome.
The
author is solely responsible for this article. All rights are
reserved.
> If you have, and if it is simple enough to
> understand, I would love to read it.
See above. I hope the diagrams come out okay.
> Do you suggest any modifications, or you think the
> entire theory is worth nothing and should be junked.
Yes, along with quantum theory of light emission (do away with the
photon concept, for it is waves and only waves) plus the concept of
entropy as the law of conservation of energy becomes a special case
with my yet to be proven through experiment e=3D0.5mVVN(N-k). It can
be
easily proven by blowing up the bows of a small boat with an rail
machine gun. If the boat accelerates with that, then the equation is
proven if it is also agreed that there is no reaction from the firing
of a rail gun.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
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[ Subject: The MMI bungle pointed out, once again... THROW OUT MODERN PHYSICS!
[ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com>
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[ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Asking very politely, have you pointed out Einstein's errors
> to the scientific world through a paper, or in a technical
> colloquium?
Yes. Back in 2005 I published the errors involved in the analysis of
the MMI experiment. On and off, I have mentioned it. It is present
in Usenet. I am reproducing the article below. If you are interested
you can follow all the links in google groups with keywords such as
Michelson Morley Arindam Banerjee Einstein.
I hold that Usenet discussions on science are at least as valid as
held in any other fora. For anyone can take part in it. It is the
most public way to analyse any matter, since any one can take part.
There is no compulsion, no holding back save for those who have
something to hide, such as their real identities.
****
The Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment, with its famously
unexpected null results, is the sole source and also remains the core
hard undeniable scientific evidence for the theories of relativity.
One of the outstanding features about this experiment is that it is
simple in concept, and has been done with painstaking efforts by many
scientists.
In this article, I will quote exhaustively from a textbook (details
below) about the nature and philosophical background behind this
experiment and will pinpoint the great blunder that was made in the
analysis of the null results. I will show as clearly as can be, the
nature of this blunder. I hope and believe that the intelligent
reader
will understand the subtlety underlying this very fine error, and
grasp
the enormous and highly positive consequences - with the
re-invigoration of physics from the most fundamental level.
Arindam Banerjee
Melbourne, July 2005.
Reference:
Textbook Details:
"Physics of the Atom", by M. Russell Wehr and James A. Richards,
Jr. of the Department of Physics, Drexel Institute of Technology.
Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc.
First Printed in 1964.
______________________________=AC_________________________
"This book is neither a treatise nor a survey. It is a textbook
which bridges the gap between classical physics and the present
frontiers of physical investigation." - extract from the Preface, by
the writers. Philadelphia, Pa., July 1959.
Chapter 5 - Relativity (excerpts)
Pg111 ->
5-1 Consider the interpretations of physical events that might be
made
by a person of high IQ born and brought up on a merry-go-round. He
would experience a force somewhat like the force of gravity. It
would
be down at the centre of rotation, and, because of the centrifugal
component, it would be directed down and out at points away from the
centre.
If our merry-go-round observer were to have the genius to devise a
whole system of mechanics, the mechanics he would devise would not be
the mechanics of Newton.
For Newton's laws to be valid precisely, we must observe events from
what is called an inertial frame of a Galilean-Newtonian co-ordinate
system. Such a system is one which has no acceleration. The whole
structure of classical physics, then, is based on the assumption that
we interpret all events as they would be interpreted by an observer
whose viewpoint is an inertial reference frame.
The genius of Newton is, in part, that although he never could step
off
the earth physically, he did step off it mentally. He interpreted
events as though he had no acceleration. Because of this shift in
his
viewpoint, he was able to write his laws of mechanics in the
particularly simple form that he did.
But Newton never really knew where he projected himself to, and this
worried him. He excluded the earth as a vantage point because the
earth not only rotates but revolves around the sun. The sun offered
possibilities, but even the sun moves and is probably accelerated
through space. The stellar constellations were named by the ancients
and the stability of their arrangement led to their being called the
"fixed" stars. Yet it would be the strangest of co-incidences if
the "fixed" stars really were fixed.
It would seem that, however, that if we locate a frame of reference
so
that it is fixed relative to the stars, this vantage point will be
sufficiently steady for Newton's laws to serve well for every
practical purpose. Such a vantage point is good enough for the
practical men who want to fly aircraft, etc. But for a philosopher or
physicist whose primary concern is the understanding of the nature of
things and whose goal is the discovery of truth, uncertainty about
the
frame of reference represented a serious flaw in the logical
structure
of classical physics.
5-2 The search for something more fixed than the stars went
something
like this. James Clerk Maxwell demonstrated that electricity and
light
are related phenomena. Starting with known properties of electricity
and magnetism, Maxwell derived equations which are identical in form
to
the equations which describe many wave phenomena. He could
demonstrate, furthermore, that the velocity of the waves he
discovered
was the same as the velocity of light. He could derive many other
properties of light, and it was soon accepted that he had put the
wave
theory of light on a firm foundation. In this theory, light is an
electromagnetic wave motion.
Every wave motion has something that "waves". Surely, it was
argued, light waves must involve the waving of something even in free
space. No one knew what it was, but it was given the name
"luminiferous ether".
Light passes through many kinds of materials. It passes through
relatively heavy materials like glass, and it passes through the
nearly
perfect vacuum that must lie between the stars and the earth. Thus
ether must permeate all of space.
However fanciful it may seem to us, physicists felt that this ether
might be just the thing to which to attach a Newtonian co-ordinate
system. It was conceived that Newton's laws would hold exactly for
an observer moving without acceleration relative to the ether.
If the ether is assumed to be at rest, then the interesting question
is: How fast are we moving through the ether? Since all speculations
about the ether stem from its properties as a medium for carrying
light, an optical experiment is indicated. It is not hard to compute
how sensitive the apparatus must be to measure the ether drift.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the sun has no ether drift,
the velocity of the earth through the ether must be its orbital
velocity. If the sun has an ether drift, then the drift of the earth
will be even greater than its orbital velocity at some seasons.
Knowing that the earth's orbit is about 93 million miles, we can find
the orbital velocity to be about 18.5 miles per second. By
performing
the experiment at the best season of the year, we know that we should
be able to find an ether drift of at least 18.5 mi/sec. The velocity
of light is 186,000 mi/sec. Great as our orbital velocity is, it is
only .0001 times the velocity of light; so it is evident that a very
sensitive instrument is required.
5-3 A device of sufficient sensitivity was made and used in the
United
States by Michelson and Morley in 1887. The principle of their
apparatus is brought out by the following analogy.
Suppose two equally fast swimmers undertake a race in a river between
floats anchored to the river bed.
(Arindam's note: please note the expression - "floats anchored to
the river bed" meaning that they are stuck to the ground, or the
inertial frame of reference. Also let us mutter here, with Galileo,
that the earth, it moves!)
_____________________River Bank______________________
C
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
A D
______________________River Bank_______________________
Two equal courses, each having a total length 2L, are laid out from
the
starting point, float A. One course is AD, parallel to the flow of
the
river relative to the earth, and the other AC, perpendicular to it.
How will the times compare if each of the swimmers goes out and back
on
his course? Let the speed of each swimmer relative to the water be
c,
and let the water drift or velocity with respect to the earth be v.
When the swimmer on the parallel course goes downstream, his velocity
will add to that of the water, giving him a resultant velocity of (c
+v)
with respect to the earth. The time required for him to swim the
distance L from A to D is L/(c+v). On his return, he must overcome
the
water drift. His net velocity then is (c-v), and his return time is
L/(c-v). His total time is the sum of these two times. This is given
by
Time_parallel =3D L/(c+v) + L/(c-v) =3D 2Lc/(cc - vv).
The other swimmer, going perpendicular to the water drift, spends the
same time on each half of his trip, but he must head upstream if he
is
not to be carried away by the current. The component of his velocity
that carries him toward his goal is the square root of (cc - vv) with
respect to the earth. The total time for his trip also depends on
the
water drift, and is
Time perpendicular =3D 2L/(square root of (cc - vv)).
To see how these two times compare, we divide the parallel course
time,
by the perpendicular course time, to get
Time parallel/Time perpendicular =3D 1/(square root of (1 - vv/cc))
In still water v=3D0, the ratio of the times is unity, and the race is
a
tie, as we would expect. In slowly moving water, the ratio is
greater
than unity and the swimmer on the perpendicular course wins; or put
differently, if the swimmers are stroking in phase when they leave
float A, they will be out of phase when they return to it. If the
velocity of the river increases to nearly that of the swimmer, then
the
ratio tends towards infinity. If the river velocity exceeds the
swimmer velocity, the entire analysis breaks down. The ratio becomes
imaginary and both swimmers are swept off the course by the current.
The point is that, by observing the race, the velocity of the water
relative to the system of anchored floats can be measured.
The optical equivalent of the above situation is to have a race
between
two light rays over identical courses, one parallel and one
perpendicular to the ether drift. The instrument used, is called a
Michelson interferometer, is shown schematically below.
_C_ .
_B_
Light entry
_________A //_______________D
____observer (eye, telescope)
Light enters the apparatus from the source at the left. At A it
strikes a glass mirror (angled at 45 deg) which has a half-silvered
surface. Half the light is reflected up toward B and C, while the
other half refracts at both surfaces of A and emerges parallel to the
original beam and goes on to D. Both C and D are full-silvered,
front-surface mirrors which turn their beams back towards A. The
beam
from C is partly reflected at A, but part of that beam refracts
through
A and goes to the observer. The beam from D partially refracts
through
A and is lost, but part of the beam is also reflected toward the
observer. The plate of glass at B has the same thickness and
inclination as that at A, so that the two light paths from source to
observer pass through the same number of glass thicknesses. If the
light from the slit did not diverge and remained very narrow in going
through the apparatus, the observer would see a line of light. The
brightness of this line would depend on the difference in the optical
length* of the two light paths. (*Footnote: Two paths have the same
optical length if light traverses both in the same time.
The optical lengths of the interferometer paths can be changed by
changing their physical length, by changing the index of refraction
of
the region through which the light passes, or, if the swimming
analogy
applies, by moving the apparatus relative to the light-carrying
medium.) If these (optical lengths) differed by any whole number of
wavelengths of the light (including zero) the line would be bright.
If
the path differed by an odd number of half-wavelengths, then the line
would be dark. Between these extremes every brightness gradation
would
be observed. In practice, light does diverge in the apparatus, and
there are a great many slightly different paths being traversed
simultaneously. Consequently the observer does not see but a
multiplicity of lines. The loci of points where the paths differ by
whole wavelengths are bright, and where the paths differ by an odd
number of half-wavelengths there is darkness. Thus, as one path
length
is varied, the observer sees fringes, like the teeth of a comb, move
across the field, rather than a single line becoming lighter and
darker. It is fortunate that the optical system works as it does,
since it is easier for the eye to detect differences in position than
differences in intensity.
The precision of this device is remarkable. If yellow light from
Sodium
is used, the wavelength is 5.893*10**-7 m. Moving the mirror C away
from A one-half this distance will increase one path length by a
whole
wavelength and cause the pattern to move an amount equal to the
separation of two adjacent dark lines. If we can estimate to
hundredths of fringes, then the smallest detectable motion is only
2.9*10**-9m.
The similarity between the Michelson interferometer and the swimming
race should be evident. Light corresponds to the swimmers and has
the
free-space velocity, c, with respect to the ether medium. The ether
drift corresponds to the water current drift and has the velocity v
with respect to the earth. Just as we could learn about the river
flow
by seeing the outcome of the swimmers' race, so we wish to measure
the ether drift by conducting a "light race" over equal paths
parallel and perpendicular to the ether drift.
Suppose that instead of taking the ratio of the times for the two
paths
of the river race we now take their difference; then
t =3D time difference =3D 2Lc/(cc-vv) - 2L/square root of(cc-vv) =3D
Lvv/ccc after using the first two terms of the binomial expansion, to
a
good approximation if v<<c.
In the interferometer, the time difference should appear as a fringe
shift from the position the fringes would have if there were NO ether
drift. The distance light moves in a time t is d=3Dct and if this
distance represents n waves of wavelength W, then d=3DnW. Therefore
the
fringe shift would be n=3DLvv/(Wcc)
Thus if the light race is carried out with speed of light c and
wavelength W in an interferometer whose arms are of length L, one of
which is parallel to the ether drift of velocity v, then the equation
n=3DLvv/(Wcc) gives the number of fringes that should be displaced
because of the motion of the earthe through the ether compared with
their positions if the earth were AT REST in the ether.
5-4 The Michelson-Morley Experiment. The apparatus used was large
and
had its effective arm length increased to about 10 m by using
additional mirrors to fold up the path. The entire apparatus was
floated on mercury so that it could be rotated at constant speed
without introducing strains that would deform the apparatus.
ROTATION
WAS NECESSARY in order to make the fringes shift, and by rotating
through 90deg, first one arm and then the other could be made
parallel
to the drift, thereby doubling the fringe displacement given in the
earlier equation. We can now estimate whether this instrument should
be sensitive enough to detect the ether drift. Recall that at some
time of the year the ether drift v was expected to be at least the
orbital velocity of the earth, which is about .0001c. Thus we expect
vv/cc to be at least 10**-8. Using light of wavelength 5*10**-7 m,
the
computed shift is n=3D0.4 fringe. Michelson and Morley estimated that
they could detect a shift of 0.01 fringe. Sensitivity to spare!
Measurements were made over an extended period of time at all seasons
of the year, but no significant fringe shift was observed. Thinking
that the earth might drag a little either along with it just as a
boat
carries a thin layer of water when it glides, Michelson and Morley
took
the entire apparatus to a mountain laboratory in search of a site
which
would project into the drifting ether. Again a diligent search
failed
to measure an ether drift. The experiment "failed".
Few experimental failures have been more stimulating than this. The
negative result of the Michelson-Morley experiment presented a
challenge to explain its failure. Fitzgerald and Lorentz presented
an
ad hoc explanation. They pointed out that there might be an
interaction between the ether and objects moving relative to it, such
that the object became shorter in all its dimensions parallel to the
relative velocity. Recall that in the flowing water analogy the
ratio
of the times of the swimmers was
1/square-root of (1-vv/cc).
If the route parallel to the flow had been shorter by this factor,
then
the ratio of the times would have been one and the race would have
been
a tie. A similar shortening of the parallel interferometer arm would
account for the tie race Michelson and Morley always observed. The
shortening could never be measured because any rule used to measure
it
would also be moving relative to the ether and would shorten also.
Whether you accept the Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction hypothesis or
not, the Michelson-Morley experiment indicates that all observers who
measure the velocity of light will get the same result regardless of
their own velocity through space.
5-5 The constant velocity of light. Michelson and Morley found that
the speed of the earth through space made no difference in the speed
of
light relative to them. The inference is clear: either that the
earth
moves in some way through ether space more slowly than it moves about
the sun, or that ALL OBSERVERS MUST FIND THAT THEIR MOTION THROUGH
SPACE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN THE SPEED OF LIGHT RELATIVE TO THEM.
The above inference was clear, at least to Einstein, who took the
second alternative and made it a cornerstone of his special theory of
relativity.
Recall that the Michelson-Morley experiment was carried out to
measure
the speed of the earth relative to the ether in order to establish a
frame of reference relative to which Newton's laws would hold. The
failure of that experiment meant that the search for the fixed
reference system must be made by another technique or abandoned
altogether. Einstein explored the alternative of abandonment. He
asked himself where he would stand (both literally and figuratively)
if
there were no "Newtonian" frame of reference. In this case there
could be no absolute velocities, for every velocity would have to be
measured relative to an origin that might and probably would be
moving.
Since there can be no preferred frame of reference, any frame must
be
as good as any other. To be universal, the laws of physics must be
the
same for all observers regardless of any motion they may have.
Contrary to the first paragraphs of this chapter, one's viewpoint
MUST MAKE NO DIFFERENCE in one's interpretation of events observed.
If he is to be correct, the man born and brought up on a merry-go-
round
must deduce the same laws of physics as anyone else.
**** End of exhaustive quotations from the textbook "Physics of the
Atom", from 5-1 to 5-5. The following sections, in brief, are about:
5-6 General and Special theories of relativity.
5-7 Classical Relativity
5-8 Einsteinian Relativity. Quote: p123 The Michelson-Morley
experiment was based on the assumption that since the classical
velocity transformation is not invariant, it should be possible to
measure the velocity of light in the ether relative to the earth.
The
experiment demonstrated that at least one velocity is invariant - the
velocity of light. Einstein accepted this as a second fundamental
assumption of this special theory of relativity. He postulated that:
(2) ALL OBSERVERS MUST FIND THE SAME VALUE OF THE FREE-SPACE VELOCITY
OF LIGHT REGARDLESS OF ANY MOTION THEY MAY HAVE.
5-9 Relativistic space-time transformation equations.
5-10 The relativistic velocity transformation
5-11 Relativistic mass transformation
5-12 Relativistic mass-energy equivalence
5-13 The upper limit of velocity
5-14 Examples of relativistic calculations
5-15 Pair production
5-16 Summary. We have seen how Einstein's attention to a flaw in
logic in Newtonian mechanics led him to consider the importance of an
observer's viewpoint. We have seen how the "failure" of the
Michelson-Morley experiment led Einstein to assign special
significance
to the velocity of light in free space. We have seen how these
considerations led to new concepts of space, time, mass, energy, and
matter. When we realize that this was but one of Einstein's
achievements, we begin to sense the magnitude of his contribution to
human thought.
(End of quotes from the book "Physics of the Atom".)
****
Before I tackle the most fundamental issues relating to the
Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment - and yet again expose the
bungle there, this time as clearly as possible - let me first, with
sadness, reflect upon the horrendous consequences of this most
pernicious theory of relativity.
The deepest theories of physics are by no means complete in
themselves,
with some relevance to engineering; they have an intimate connection
with individual and social life, by providing the practical basis for
individual and group thought structures. By outing the need for any
absolute frame of reference, Einstein's relativity implicitly gave
the license to all forms of individual and social thinking as equally
valid. Thus, the thinking of the child molester or serial killer is
as
valid - from the extension of Einstein's relativity to real life - as
the thinking of the law enforcer or saint. There is no basis for
differentiation between virtue and vice, between appearance and
reality. All are equally valid in the same relativist currency.
What
is truth, or what is lie, becomes merely a matter of opinion
announced
and imposed by the loudest and the strongest of the time.
Thus I see the stupidities, indecencies, and the extraordinary
bloody-mindedness of the 20th century (a century of world wars, mass
murders, extreme human inequalities; now leading to another dominated
by selfishness, fear and greed) as an indirect yet inescapable
consequence of Einstein's theories, to some extent. Men can turn
into self-important brats more easily, as their subconscious can now
find good excuse, from the supposedly undeniable basics of physics,
to
disregard absolute checks upon behaviour. Einstein himself showed
this, when he felt no constraints about writing a letter to the
President of the USA urging the development of the atomic bomb;
knowing
fully well that its development would cause immense evil.
For in a relativistic mental set-up, there can be no high and defined
end to aspire unto; there can be no striving for the realization of
absolute truths as fixed goals. There is, thus, only the scope of
degeneration of whatever remaining values that were handed down by
the
non-relativists of earlier generations. This is painfully evident
from
the moral atrophy and social degeneration in modern societies; as
also
from those failed communist regimes where the whims of dictators
became
the highest values for all.
______________________________=AC_______________________
It is evident from the above (extracts from the paras 5.1 to 5.5 of
the
textbook "Physics of the atom) that the entire basis of Einstein's
theory of relativity depends upon the null result of the Michelson
-Morley interferometer experiment. This single fact is of vital
importance. Equally important is that analogy given earlier,
relating
to the swimmer; swimming parallel to, and perpendicular to, the
flowing
river. For based upon this analogy, and this analogy alone, was the
logic and also the mathematics for the analysis of the Michelson-
Morley
interferometer experiment developed.
Let us see how far this analogy relates to the dynamics of light on
this our moving earth. The diagram is redrawn below:
_____________________River Bank______________________
C
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and between A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
River Bank ____ A_____________________D
We must note here, once again, that in this analogy A, C and D are
fixed floats on the river bed. So, while the swimmer himself is
affected by the flow of water, which gives him a higher or lower
speed
depending upon his direction, the floats are not affected at all.
They
are stuck to the river bed, and thus, have the same fixedness as the
river bank.
If this analogy (with respect to the motion of earth in ether) is
correct, then the subsequent mathematics (that gives us the famous
Lorentz transformation) is correct. But is this analogy correct?
For the analogy to hold, the river is the Earth moving with speed v
and
the river bank is the ether or absolute frame of reference. Any
object
floating on the river, then, has to have the same speed of the river.
When an object is stuck to the river bed (not allowed to drift) it is
implicitly given a velocity of -v, so that its net velocity with
respect to the river bank frame of reference is v-v=3D0.
This implicit, totally arbitrary giving of a negative velocity to the
float, equal to the velocity of the river flow, making it thus fixed
with respect to the river bank, was completely missed by all the
physicists, past and present. However, it is an absolute and
undeniable fact that all the stationary objects on Earth have the
same
velocity v around the Sun, since the Earth is moving with that
tangential speed around the Sun, according to Galileo and all later
non-Aristotelian astronomers. There is no way it is possible to give
any object on earth a negative velocity through some external ether
hook-up process! All objects on Earth move at the same speed v. So
we
do not see objects from Earth being left behind, as it were, as we
orbit the Sun! There is no way we can go to and from goal posts
fixed
in the ether reference! Nor can light travel to and from goal posts
fixed in the ether reference!
However, by fixing the floats on the river bed (which is the same
reference as the river bank) all the physicists have implicitly
assumed
all the above. They have kept the floats fixed in the ether
reference,
while implicitly holding they are in the Earthly reference. This
implies that the Earth is not moving at all! For if the Earth is
moving, there could be no question of keeping the floats fixed to the
river bed, for any valid analogy. They would have to drift with the
velocity v with respect to the river bank.
So the terrible mistake in this analogy was to keep the floats fixed
to
the river bed/ether, as opposed to letting it drift with the flow.
The
importance of this point simply cannot be overstated. When extended
to
the Michelson-Morley experimental set-up, this means - absolutely! -
that all the mirrors stay fixed in etheric space while the earth
moves
away from them with velocity v! Ridiculous! But this is exactly
what
must happen when we extend the analogy of the swimmers, with the
floats
drifting but fixed to the river bed, to the apparatus in the so-vital
Michelson-Morley interferometry experiment.
Bodies, and light, can, have to, and do travel to and from "goal
posts" fixed in the moving Earthly reference! There is simply no way
in which the mirrors used in the Michelson-Morley experiment can be
assumed to remain fixed in etheric space, while the Earth moves away
from the set-up! If we admit this, then we must allow that the
swimming analogy was flawed. The correct analogy would be to cut the
floats loose, and let them drift with the velocity v.
Now let us see the consequences of this change.
_____________________River Bank______________________
C C'
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and between A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
A A' D D'
______________________River Bank_______________________
The figure above shows the change of position of the float with time.
As earlier there are two equal lengths L, marked out by the
perpendicular course AC and the parallel course AD. (L=3DAC=3DAD). But
now the floats are *not* fixed to the river bed, so they drift with
velocity v. After time t, which is L/c, they move to the points A',
C' and D'.
t=3DL/c is the time the swimmer would have swum the lengths L in the
absence of flow, that is, with v=3D0.
So AA', DD' and CC' are all of length vt or vL/c.
Let us take the swimmer taking the route AD, parallel to the river
bank. He starts from A, towards D. He has the speed (c+v) as he is
swimming with the flow. Since the target float D is moving, the
swimmer now has to travel a further distance DD' to catch up. So, he
has actually swum the distance AD' instead of the earlier AD. AD'
=3D AD+DD'.
So he has swum the length L+vL/c, with the speed c+v. The time it
would take him to do that will be (L+vL/c)/(c+v).
Now (L+vL/c)/(c+v) =3D L(1+v/c)/(c+v) =3DL(1+v/c)/(c(1+v/c)) =3D L/c =3D t.
Which means, no matter what the speed of the river, the swimmer would
reach his goal float in the same time, provided the float was *not*
tethered, freely drifting instead.
Now let us consider the route AC, that is the one perpendicular to
the
river bank. The swimmer swims with velocity c in the perpendicular
direction, but is pushed sideways as a result of the flow. He has an
additional component of velocity thus, which pushes him sideways to
the
float which also has moved by the distance CC' in the time t. The
magnitude of the velocity of the swimmer, on his way to C' has to be
square root of (cc+vv).
The distance he covers is square root of (L*L + vt*vt) or square root
of (L*L + v*v*L*L/(c*c)) or (L/c)*square root of (cc+vv). So the
time
taken to cover this distance will be distance/speed or L/c*square
root
of (cc+vv)/square root of (cc+vv) which is L/c which again is t.
So no matter whether the swimmer is swimming with the current or
perpendicular to the current - if the floats are drifting, he will
always cover the distances involved in exactly the same time as if
there was no flow in the water.
For the sake of completion, we now consider the return journeys in
both
the parallel and perpendicular directions.
_____________________River Bank______________________
C C' C''
Speed of river -> v
Same distance L lies between A and C, and between A and D.
Speed of swimmer with respect to the water is c.
A A' A'' D D' D''
______________________River Bank_______________________
Over the time 2t, the floats will have moved the distances AA'',
DD'' and CC''. The swimmer on the parallel path, having
reached the float at D, turns back towards the float and will meet it
at the point A''. The distance he now covers is D'A" which is
A'D'-A'A" or L-vt or L-vL/c or L(1-v/c). The speed of the
swimmer is (c-v) as he is going against the flow. So the time taken
by
the swimmer to reach the float on the return journey is L(1-v/c)/(c-
v)
or L(1-v/c)/(c(1-v/c)) =3D L/c =3D t.
In the perpendicular path, the swimmer covers the distance C'A''.
Using the earlier analysis, we can once again find that the time it
would take him to cover this distance would be t. (His speed would
be
the same as that going from A to C'; and the distance C'A'' is
also the same as AC'.)
We thus see that no matter what angle the direction of travel, the
time
for travel for a source between two points in a medium which has no
matter what velocity with respect to some fixed reference, is always
the same. This goes totally against all modern physics, which is
relativistic, and based upon the Lorentz transformation dealt with
earlier.
We now see what really happened in the Michelson-Morley
interferometer
experiment. The diagram is given again below, with some changes
following our earlier discussion.
C__C'
____ B
Light entry A A' A''
___________ // |D D'
______ observer (telescope, film)
Light going through A will be reflected by the mirror not at position
D
but at a further distance, at D'. The light will thus travel the
path AD' with the speed (c+v) which is the path AD+DD'; DD' being
the extra distance it will have to move, because the Earth is moving,
and the mirror along with everything else is fixed on the Earth.
Since
the Earth is moving, the mirror D moves the extra distance DD' by the
time the light starting from A reaches it. Since the Earth is
moving,
the partially silvered mirror at A moves the distance AA' when the
light originating from A reaches D'. On the return path, the light
will travel backwards from D', towards the partially silvered mirror,
with the speed (c-v) and will meet the partially silvered mirror at
A''. The partially silvered mirror will move the further distance
A'A" by the time it takes the returning beam of light to meet it.
Thus the formulation is exactly the same as it was in our case for
the
swimmer doing the parallel course. Both going and coming times will
be
exactly the same, that is t=3DL/c. Totally independent of the velocity
of the source of light!
In the perpendicular direction, the speed will be square root of
(cc+vv). Because of its initial speed v, the light will have to move
in on the moving mirror initially at C at an angle and with a higher
magnitude of velocity - just as any stone thrown out parallel to and
from a moving train, with respect to the ground. It will reach it at
the position C'. This light will also have to travel the extra
distance (square root of (L*L + v*v*L*L/(c*c)) - L). As we have
seen, the time to cover this will be L/c=3Dt. Again, this time is
totally independent of the velocity of the source of the light.
>From the above, it is clear that the return times are exactly the same
no matter what the direction of the light source. Thus, the rotation
of the whole apparatus - as was done - should not lead to any
change in results at all, relating to the interferometer pattern.
The
null result is entirely to be expected. A wrong analogy had led to a
wrong expectation. But with the correct analogy, the right results
(the null results) were obtained.
The consequences are drastic. The existence of ether as the medium
of
propagation of all electromagnetic waves (including light waves) is
upheld. It had been wrongly demolished. We also find that the speed
of light does change with the speed of the light emitting source. If
the speed of the light source is v, with respect to ether, then the
speed of light with respect to ether, when directed in the direction
of
v, is c+v. The null results of the Michelson-Morley interferometer
experiment confirm both of the above. The speed of light cannot be
constant, irrespective of the speed of the source.
To confirm this, let us now do the above analysis again. This time,
following Einstein's Postulate (given below, and quoted from the text
book), we take c to be always c and never anything more or less.
Thus
on the parallel path, the time taken to cover the distance AD' will
be (L+vL/c)/c and D'A" will take (L-vL/c)/c which is 2L/c or 2t.
However, in the perpendicular path, the times will be square root of
(L*L + v*v*L*L/(c*c))/c. That is, t*square root of (1+vv/cc) for the
going path and the same for the return path, giving 2*t*square root
of
(1 + vv/cc). This is different from the parallel path, which is 2t.
So, if the speed c of light is always constant, and independent of
the
speed of the light-emitting source, as per the current thinking, then
the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment would have shown the
fringes, with our corrected analysis! How ironic!
All the Einsteinian constructions resulting from the Michelson-Morley
interferometer experiments are thus reduced to glaring nonsense. For
Einstein's first postulate, the basis behind all his theories of
relativity, namely,
ALL OBSERVERS MUST FIND THE SAME VALUE OF THE FREE-SPACE VELOCITY OF
LIGHT REGARDLESS OF ANY MOTION THEY MAY HAVE
as simply wrong. Wrong. Proved wrong, logically and mathematically,
using the results of painstakingly done experiments.
To make my point, further, with mathematics, for the general case of
light proceeding at any angle (and not just the two angles, zero
degrees and ninety degrees) let us consider the light source going at
an angle (theta) with respect to the parallel path. We use the same
notations (L,v,t,c) as used earlier.
Then, the velocity of light will be in that direction:
Square root of ((c*cos(theta)+v)^2 + (c*sin(theta)^2), by breaking up
the speed c along two the x-y components, and adding the flow speed v
to the parallel component. Note: the ^2 means squaring the bracketed
expression ahead of it. After expansion, the above expression
becomes
square root of (c*c + v*v + 2v*c*cos(theta)).
Within time t, the float/mirror will have moved the distance vt =3D vL/
c
along the parallel path. The distance the swimmer/light will have to
move is thus:
Square root of ((L*cos(theta)+v*L/c)^2 + (L*sin(theta)^2). Which
after
expansion becomes (L/c)*square root of (c*c + v*v +2v*c*cos(theta)).
Dividing the distance traveled by the speed of travel, we get the
time
as L/c for the general case of light proceeding at any angle from the
source as being t=3DL/c, completely independent of the velocity of v.
So what is really happening? What are the so-called relativistic
effects of Einstein, really? Really, what is happening (and this is
a
completely original thought, given right now) is that between any two
points on a body like Earth moving with a speed higher than zero with
respect to a fixed frame of reference; the actual distance traveled
by
a ray of light, from one point to the other, is usually different
from
the actual measured distance. So, if we mark out two points on
Earth,
and measure the distance between them carefully, then, the ray of
light
will always move a distance more or less than the marked distance,
except for just one particular angle. This angle can be found easily
from the above formula for the actual length traveled, thus by
putting
the expression
v*v + 2v*c*cos(theta) =3D 0;
or theta =3D inverse of cos(-v/(2*c)).
Arindam Banerjee.
Melbourne, August 2005.
Author's Note: This article can be freely distributed for discussion
strictly for non-commercial purposes only. Comments are welcome.
The
author is solely responsible for this article. All rights are
reserved.
> If you have, and if it is simple enough to
> understand, I would love to read it.
See above. I hope the diagrams come out okay.
> Do you suggest any modifications, or you think the
> entire theory is worth nothing and should be junked.
Yes, along with quantum theory of light emission (do away with the
photon concept, for it is waves and only waves) plus the concept of
entropy as the law of conservation of energy becomes a special case
with my yet to be proven through experiment e=3D0.5mVVN(N-k). It can
be
easily proven by blowing up the bows of a small boat with an rail
machine gun. If the boat accelerates with that, then the equation is
proven if it is also agreed that there is no reaction from the firing
of a rail gun.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
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Mar 26, 2012, 8:18:52 PM3/26/12
to
A news item I posted more than a decade ago:
Physics looks for new Einstein as nature rewrites laws of
universe
By Jonathan Leake, Science Editor
The Times, UK
Sunday, September 9, 2001
A group of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that
the laws thought to govern the universe, including Albert
Einstein's theory of relativity, must be rewritten.
The group, which includes Professor Stephen Hawking and
Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such laws may
only work for our universe but not in others that are now
also thought to exist.
"It is becoming increasingly likely that the rules we had
thought were fundamental through time and space are
actually just bylaws for our bit of it," said Rees, whose
new book, Our Cosmic Habitat, is published next month.
"Creation is emerging as even stranger than we thought."
Among the ideas facing revision is Einstein's belief that
the speed of light must always be the same - 186,000
miles a second in a vacuum. There is growing evidence
that light moved much faster during the early stages of
our universe.
Rees, Hawking and others are so concerned at the impact
of such ideas that they recently organised a private
conference in Cambridge for more than 30 leading
cosmologists.
Cosmology - the study of the origins and future of our
universe - became popular in the early 20th century for
physicists who wanted to think the unthinkable about
creation.
Einstein's theory of relativity, which describes how
gravity controls the behaviour of our universe, was one
of cosmology's greatest triumphs. But Einstein said there
was an even deeper issue, which he described as whether
God had any choice. In other words, could the laws that
governed the way our universe formed after the big bang
have worked any differently? He concluded that they could
not.
In the past 40 years, however, the increasing power of
astronomical instruments has turned cosmology from a
theoretical science into a practical one and forced
scientists to re-examine Einstein's conclusions. Among
the most striking claims is that our universe only exists
because of a fine balance between several crucial
factors.
One is the rate at which nuclear fusion releases energy
in stars such as the sun by squashing hydrogen atoms into
helium and then other elements. Astronomers have found
that exactly 0.7% of the mass of the hydrogen is
converted into starlight and that if this figure had been
just a fraction different then carbon and other elements
essential to life could never have formed.
Another puzzle is the so-called "smoothness" of our
universe, by which astronomers mean the distribution of
matter and radiation. In theory, the big bang could have
produced a universe where all the matter clumped together
into a few black holes, or another in which it was spread
out evenly, forming nothing but a thin vapour. "It could
be that the laws that govern our universe are
unchangeable but it is a remarkable coincidence that
these laws are also exactly what is needed to produce
life," said Rees. "It seems too good to be true."
What he, Hawking and others such as Neil Turok, professor
of maths and physics at Cambridge, are now looking at is
the idea that our universe is just one of an infinite
number of universes, with different laws of nature
operating in each.
Some universes would have all their matter clumped
together into a few huge black holes while others would
be nothing more than a thin uniform freezing gas.
However, Hawking and his colleagues increasingly disagree
over how this "multiverse" could work. At the conference
Hawking dismissed the idea of a series of big bangs on
the grounds that it extended into the infinite past and
so could never have a beginning.
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/09/09/stinwenws01025.html
The above URL no longer works but the article may be
elsewhere on the times.co.uk web site.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Physics looks for new Einstein as nature rewrites laws of
universe
By Jonathan Leake, Science Editor
The Times, UK
Sunday, September 9, 2001
A group of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that
the laws thought to govern the universe, including Albert
Einstein's theory of relativity, must be rewritten.
The group, which includes Professor Stephen Hawking and
Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such laws may
only work for our universe but not in others that are now
also thought to exist.
"It is becoming increasingly likely that the rules we had
thought were fundamental through time and space are
actually just bylaws for our bit of it," said Rees, whose
new book, Our Cosmic Habitat, is published next month.
"Creation is emerging as even stranger than we thought."
Among the ideas facing revision is Einstein's belief that
the speed of light must always be the same - 186,000
miles a second in a vacuum. There is growing evidence
that light moved much faster during the early stages of
our universe.
Rees, Hawking and others are so concerned at the impact
of such ideas that they recently organised a private
conference in Cambridge for more than 30 leading
cosmologists.
Cosmology - the study of the origins and future of our
universe - became popular in the early 20th century for
physicists who wanted to think the unthinkable about
creation.
Einstein's theory of relativity, which describes how
gravity controls the behaviour of our universe, was one
of cosmology's greatest triumphs. But Einstein said there
was an even deeper issue, which he described as whether
God had any choice. In other words, could the laws that
governed the way our universe formed after the big bang
have worked any differently? He concluded that they could
not.
In the past 40 years, however, the increasing power of
astronomical instruments has turned cosmology from a
theoretical science into a practical one and forced
scientists to re-examine Einstein's conclusions. Among
the most striking claims is that our universe only exists
because of a fine balance between several crucial
factors.
One is the rate at which nuclear fusion releases energy
in stars such as the sun by squashing hydrogen atoms into
helium and then other elements. Astronomers have found
that exactly 0.7% of the mass of the hydrogen is
converted into starlight and that if this figure had been
just a fraction different then carbon and other elements
essential to life could never have formed.
Another puzzle is the so-called "smoothness" of our
universe, by which astronomers mean the distribution of
matter and radiation. In theory, the big bang could have
produced a universe where all the matter clumped together
into a few black holes, or another in which it was spread
out evenly, forming nothing but a thin vapour. "It could
be that the laws that govern our universe are
unchangeable but it is a remarkable coincidence that
these laws are also exactly what is needed to produce
life," said Rees. "It seems too good to be true."
What he, Hawking and others such as Neil Turok, professor
of maths and physics at Cambridge, are now looking at is
the idea that our universe is just one of an infinite
number of universes, with different laws of nature
operating in each.
Some universes would have all their matter clumped
together into a few huge black holes while others would
be nothing more than a thin uniform freezing gas.
However, Hawking and his colleagues increasingly disagree
over how this "multiverse" could work. At the conference
Hawking dismissed the idea of a series of big bangs on
the grounds that it extended into the infinite past and
so could never have a beginning.
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/09/09/stinwenws01025.html
The above URL no longer works but the article may be
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On Mar 27, 11:18 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/09/09/stinwenws0102...
Already done that, in my book I wrote a few years ago, "The Principles
of Motion".
Actually I find that all renowned physicists being einsteinians, are
thoroughly dishonest.
Had they been honest, they would have acknowledged the terrific bungle
in the analysis of the results of the MMI experiment, which clearly
shows c(V)=c+V and brings back the aether concept as a medium for
electromagnetic waves, thus also outing the quantum theory.
I have published my work on that in the public domain years ago, back
in 2005. They have also ignored my derivation of the missing formula
in dynamics (which is as fundamental as f=ma, v=u+at, s=ut+0.5att),
namely 0.5mVVN(N-k).
One cannot work with the dishonest and abusive cowards, of course.
So further work related to material realisations of my formula
e=0.5mVVN(N-k)
has to be stalled until I find more honesty and courage in the physics
community.
Accepting my formula means making even more changes to classical
physics. Concepts like entropy will become useless, and the law of
conservation
of energy will cease to be general.
With the universe becoming linear and free from einsteinian nonsense,
space flights to the stars will become possible as written in my 2000
AD book,
"To the Stars!". The design work presented there in the book, is most
likely to be valid.
Euroecentric racists and bigots will try to obstruct now as they did
in the past, with the willing help of their brown-nosing reverse-
racist cttc quotays.
What will happen, let us see!
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
> The above URL no longer works but the article may be
> elsewhere on the times.co.uk web site.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> o o o
>
> About the terrorist Goon Squad:
>
> "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri)
> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> tries his best to be a bully --
> The above URL no longer works but the article may be
> elsewhere on the times.co.uk web site.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> o o o
>
> About the terrorist Goon Squad:
>
> "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri)
> telling others what and when to post, where to post and
> where not to post, deliberately publishing lies about
> others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but
> fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
> lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"
> <u...@this.com>, and issues death threats to people),
> where not to post, deliberately publishing lies about
> others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but
> fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
> lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"
> is priming himself for conditions such as stroke and
> heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
> Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <josh...@gmail.com> who
> heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
> displays unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and
> the instigator who posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
>
> The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse
> through eternal-september.org and by writing someone
> else's name or handle in the "From:" header -- their
> favorite now is "fanab...@gmail.com" (note the extra "b"
> the instigator who posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
>
> The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse
> through eternal-september.org and by writing someone
> else's name or handle in the "From:" header -- their
> and "gmail.com") to make it appear as if the posts are
> from "fana...@aol.com", who has been a regular poster for
of Motion".
Actually I find that all renowned physicists being einsteinians, are
thoroughly dishonest.
Had they been honest, they would have acknowledged the terrific bungle
in the analysis of the results of the MMI experiment, which clearly
shows c(V)=c+V and brings back the aether concept as a medium for
electromagnetic waves, thus also outing the quantum theory.
I have published my work on that in the public domain years ago, back
in 2005. They have also ignored my derivation of the missing formula
in dynamics (which is as fundamental as f=ma, v=u+at, s=ut+0.5att),
namely 0.5mVVN(N-k).
One cannot work with the dishonest and abusive cowards, of course.
So further work related to material realisations of my formula
e=0.5mVVN(N-k)
has to be stalled until I find more honesty and courage in the physics
community.
Accepting my formula means making even more changes to classical
physics. Concepts like entropy will become useless, and the law of
conservation
of energy will cease to be general.
With the universe becoming linear and free from einsteinian nonsense,
space flights to the stars will become possible as written in my 2000
AD book,
"To the Stars!". The design work presented there in the book, is most
likely to be valid.
Euroecentric racists and bigots will try to obstruct now as they did
in the past, with the willing help of their brown-nosing reverse-
racist cttc quotays.
What will happen, let us see!
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Myself Mallu, Yourself?
Mar 27, 2012, 5:08:56 AM3/27/12
to
Whole pile of crap from the newsgroups two "fraudays" deleted.
Kakadevi copy-pastes an article she copy-pasted a decade ago. Poor
fucking dimwit, did not understand the import of the article then, and
does not understand it today either. The astrobunkum bidness makes
Kakadevi consider herself to be some sort of authority (albeit the
copy-paste kind) on cosmology (very different from astrobunkum,
third-rate fraud).
Then Arindumb trots out his usual idiotic magic formula, which Col.
Sanders knew a long time ago and used successfully to fry chickens.
Apparently people who ate them fried chickens developed a whole lot of
internal phorce.
Kakadevi copy-pastes an article she copy-pasted a decade ago. Poor
fucking dimwit, did not understand the import of the article then, and
does not understand it today either. The astrobunkum bidness makes
Kakadevi consider herself to be some sort of authority (albeit the
copy-paste kind) on cosmology (very different from astrobunkum,
third-rate fraud).
Then Arindumb trots out his usual idiotic magic formula, which Col.
Sanders knew a long time ago and used successfully to fry chickens.
Apparently people who ate them fried chickens developed a whole lot of
internal phorce.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 27, 2012, 8:50:27 AM3/27/12
to
after they have tripped and backstabbed their betters so hard in order
to get
to their cushy states, they do get ratty. Rumpelstiltskinisation of
the quotays, is the most efficient means for their disposal. heh-
heh. So, gotta make them
get rattier and rattier.
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 28, 2012, 12:39:19 AM3/28/12
to
How One Response to a Reddit Query Became a Big-Budget Flick
March 20, 2012
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/ff_reddit/all/1
March 20, 2012
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/ff_reddit/all/1
Myself Mallu, Yourself?
Mar 28, 2012, 12:46:38 AM3/28/12
to
On 3/27/2012 5:50 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> When the quotays are totally ignored for recognition, funding, etc.
> after they have tripped and backstabbed their betters so hard in order
> to get
> to their cushy states, they do get ratty. Rumpelstiltskinisation of
> the quotays, is the most efficient means for their disposal. heh-
> heh. So, gotta make them
> get rattier and rattier.
>
Could you please translate this "chimpspeak" into Sanskrit, please? From
> When the quotays are totally ignored for recognition, funding, etc.
> after they have tripped and backstabbed their betters so hard in order
> to get
> to their cushy states, they do get ratty. Rumpelstiltskinisation of
> the quotays, is the most efficient means for their disposal. heh-
> heh. So, gotta make them
> get rattier and rattier.
>
Sanskrit Kalidasasya (yeah, per Lady Kaka, the resident Skt. pandita, it
is okay to mix "angrezi" and "deva bhasha") to Rumpelstiltskin. Sheesh!
What a falling there was!
Now a special phrase that I reserve for Poochie (the third idiot from
ITID): "You're a fucking moron, Arindumb."
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 28, 2012, 1:16:10 AM3/28/12
to
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
Surazeus Simon Seamount
So did the person who asked the original question get any
credit or profit at all?
Forwarded comment from:
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/ff_reddit/#disqus_thread
>
> How One Response to a Reddit Query Became a Big-Budget Flick
>
> March 20, 2012
>
> http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/ff_reddit/all/1
Forwarded comment:
> How One Response to a Reddit Query Became a Big-Budget Flick
>
> March 20, 2012
>
> http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/ff_reddit/all/1
Surazeus Simon Seamount
So did the person who asked the original question get any
credit or profit at all?
Forwarded comment from:
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/ff_reddit/#disqus_thread
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 28, 2012, 4:03:31 AM3/28/12
to
Velocity addition in action, thus, adding up to the oscillations
corresponding to the particular
harmonic! Walls and bridges have been pulled down this way, since
biblical times. The whole of control system has to do with finding the
poles and zeroes of any complex
system, and what to do to get them out of the practised dynamic
ranges. What works in the material plane, may well work in the
mental. Such is the hope.
When quotays are too dull, they just won't understand - nothing can
vibrate these morons except lust and greed.
What else can be done, but pray for a Genghis Khan to take charge?
Dear GK will appoint a thousand LKYs with a thousand whips to get
cracking, and turn around situations in a pretty short while.
>
>
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 28, 2012, 1:23:33 PM3/28/12
to
In article <b4b79d10-1c70-47bf...@mq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Mar 27, 11:50=A0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 11:36=A0am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > >http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/09/09/stinwenws0102.=
> > > shows c(V)=3Dc+V and brings back the aether concept as a medium for
> > > in dynamics (which is as fundamental as f=3Dma, v=3Du+at, s=3Dut+0.5att=
> > the quotays, is the most efficient means for their disposal. =A0heh-
> > heh. =A0So, gotta make them
diminishing. . . dying, and some of them have already
departed.
Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Mar 27, 11:50=A0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 11:36=A0am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > electromagnetic waves, thus also outing the quantum theory.
> > > I have published my work on that in the public domain years ago, back
> > > in 2005. =A0They have also ignored my derivation of the missing formula
> > > I have published my work on that in the public domain years ago, back
> > > in dynamics (which is as fundamental as f=3Dma, v=3Du+at, s=3Dut+0.5att=
> ),
> > > namely 0.5mVVN(N-k).
> > > One cannot work with the dishonest and abusive cowards, of course.
> > > So further work related to material realisations of my formula
> > > e=3D0.5mVVN(N-k)
> > > namely 0.5mVVN(N-k).
> > > One cannot work with the dishonest and abusive cowards, of course.
> > > So further work related to material realisations of my formula
> > > has to be stalled until I find more honesty and courage in the physics
> > > community.
> > > Accepting my formula means making even more changes to classical
> > > physics. =A0Concepts like entropy will become useless, and the law of
> > > community.
> > > Accepting my formula means making even more changes to classical
> > > conservation
> > > of energy will cease to be general.
> > > With the universe becoming linear and free from einsteinian nonsense,
> > > space flights to the stars will become possible as written in my 2000
> > > AD book,
> > > "To the Stars!". =A0The design work presented there in the book, is mos=
> > > of energy will cease to be general.
> > > With the universe becoming linear and free from einsteinian nonsense,
> > > space flights to the stars will become possible as written in my 2000
> > > AD book,
> t
> > > likely to be valid.
> > > Euroecentric racists and bigots will try to obstruct now as they did
> > > in the past, with the willing help of their brown-nosing reverse-
> > > racist cttc quotays.
> > > What will happen, let us see!
> >
> > When the quotays are totally ignored for recognition, funding, etc.
> > after they have tripped and backstabbed their betters so hard in order
> > to get
> > to their cushy states, they do get ratty. =A0Rumpelstiltskinisation of
> > > likely to be valid.
> > > Euroecentric racists and bigots will try to obstruct now as they did
> > > in the past, with the willing help of their brown-nosing reverse-
> > > racist cttc quotays.
> > > What will happen, let us see!
> >
> > When the quotays are totally ignored for recognition, funding, etc.
> > after they have tripped and backstabbed their betters so hard in order
> > to get
> > the quotays, is the most efficient means for their disposal. =A0heh-
> > heh. =A0So, gotta make them
> > get rattier and rattier.
>
> Till they disintegrate, naturally, out of their own frustration.
> Velocity addition in action, thus, adding up to the oscillations
> corresponding to the particular
> harmonic! Walls and bridges have been pulled down this way, since
> biblical times. The whole of control system has to do with finding the
> poles and zeroes of any complex
> system, and what to do to get them out of the practised dynamic
> ranges. What works in the material plane, may well work in the
> mental. Such is the hope.
>
> When quotays are too dull, they just won't understand - nothing can
> vibrate these morons except lust and greed.
>
> What else can be done, but pray for a Genghis Khan to take charge?
> Dear GK will appoint a thousand LKYs with a thousand whips to get
> cracking, and turn around situations in a pretty short while.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
They are disintegrating, disbanding, dispersing,
>
> Till they disintegrate, naturally, out of their own frustration.
> Velocity addition in action, thus, adding up to the oscillations
> corresponding to the particular
> harmonic! Walls and bridges have been pulled down this way, since
> biblical times. The whole of control system has to do with finding the
> poles and zeroes of any complex
> system, and what to do to get them out of the practised dynamic
> ranges. What works in the material plane, may well work in the
> mental. Such is the hope.
>
> When quotays are too dull, they just won't understand - nothing can
> vibrate these morons except lust and greed.
>
> What else can be done, but pray for a Genghis Khan to take charge?
> Dear GK will appoint a thousand LKYs with a thousand whips to get
> cracking, and turn around situations in a pretty short while.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
diminishing. . . dying, and some of them have already
departed.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 28, 2012, 5:38:04 PM3/28/12
to
On Mar 29, 4:23 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <b4b79d10-1c70-47bf-abcd-baf977238...@mq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Not fast enough, though.
Unfortunately the right-wing has too many stupid racists in its
fringe.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <b4b79d10-1c70-47bf-abcd-baf977238...@mq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Unfortunately the right-wing has too many stupid racists in its
fringe.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 29, 2012, 1:08:42 PM3/29/12
to
Elsewhere, in article <cdf1de68-4574-4b2b...@x10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> > > Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > In article <5961a0be-1898-493d-b7a7-0f39dc3c9...@r2g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Sonia Gandhi behind Rajiv's assassination, says Swamy
> >
> > > > > > Wow, this could be turned into a AC class novel! =3DA0Then a film=
> .
> >
> > > > > Go for it!
> >
> > > Your idea of the movie can fund "bigger issues" quite well --
> > > for example:
> >
> > > "Hunger Games"
> >
> > > March 23-25, 2012
> >
> > > Weekend gross: $152,535,747
> > > Budget: $78,000,000
> > try for the best.
> > Sometimes big money may come out of very low budget stuff.
> > I mean, we can make a movie (a slow one, psychological type) of a
> > loser who while claiming to be a PhD in some ancient language still
> > cannot write
> > a single line of the English language correctly.
> > The traumatic events that deprived him of his manhood, through
> > flashbacks - they may be quite juicy and also startling.
> > Of course, this chap is not nice at all. =A0Why should only nice people
> > have movies made of them? =A0This chap is nasty, always envious and
> > trying to hurt
> > but at the same time he poses as a crusader against corruption, while
> > supporting corruption wherever he can find it when such corruption
> > boosts his own
> > rather pathetic ego.
> > Maybe, Jai, you barked up the wrong tree when you thought of making a
> > movie about me. This low budget stuff (starring some bigname Hollywood
> > oldie,
> > may get one of them cheap) could be a big hit and make solid money.
> > Then again, you need slow haunting music, solid photography skills,
> > and some
> > really good manic acting. =A0It may be too much to ask Mr Hopkins to do
> > it, but if we make this psycho case an actual wannabe-killer (this way
> > there could
> > be a merging of the two themes) then perhaps Mr Hopkins could be
> > interested. Hannibal was a successful killer, but this chap is
> > rather thick so he bungles up, and sinks to day-dreaming in his own
> > narrow world.
>
> Where whatever silly and mean thoughts he thinks up, is absolutely
> correct to him and then he gets ratty when ignored by whoever cares to
> look his way.
>
> In this ghor kalyug, this sort of character will be a far bigger draw
> for the US public than a chap like myself. Take the novel "White
> Tiger" by Anil Adiga for instance.
> It has won top western awards and is a commercial success. It is
> about an Indian entrepreneur who started as a chauffeur then became a
> top guy by
> robbing his employer after slitting his throat. He also lusted after
> his employer's wife (Pinky Madam) but fortunately did not rape her -
> that was the
> best thing about him. Justifying himself by marxist logic, and lying
> about Indian conditions (this is a novel after all) this character had
> appeal to the
> western publishers. Now, this is the sort of stuff that gets
> published and will become a movie. Take that nasty movie Slumdog
> Millionaire for instance - it
> shows Indians in the worst possible light. Evidently Hollywood/West
> will do nothing to show non-Christian Indians in a good light, and we
> can
> understand why. Thus, I don't think too much will come out of your
> efforts, Jai, if they somehow show Indians in a good light. I
> suppose, you got to
> paint me either black or white in your script!
Valid points, all! Sorry but the basic story and plot are
etched in stone in view of the green lights negotiated
and won. Only minor rewrites are now possible for the
project as accepted by the powers that exist beyond the
screenwriter.
Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Mar 28, 11:51=A0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > In article <b96a9cd9-6454-4874-b5b8-df32f5f5b...@vy9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> On Mar 28, 11:51=A0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > In article <5961a0be-1898-493d-b7a7-0f39dc3c9...@r2g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Sonia Gandhi behind Rajiv's assassination, says Swamy
> >
> > > > > > Wow, this could be turned into a AC class novel! =3DA0Then a film=
> .
> >
> > > > > Go for it!
> >
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > I go for bigger issues.
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> >
> > > Your idea of the movie can fund "bigger issues" quite well --
> > > for example:
> >
> > > "Hunger Games"
> >
> > > March 23-25, 2012
> >
> > > Weekend gross: $152,535,747
> > > Budget: $78,000,000
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> >
> >
> > I am not sure if our movie will make it that big. =A0Of course, we can
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> >
> >
> > try for the best.
> > Sometimes big money may come out of very low budget stuff.
> > I mean, we can make a movie (a slow one, psychological type) of a
> > loser who while claiming to be a PhD in some ancient language still
> > cannot write
> > a single line of the English language correctly.
> > The traumatic events that deprived him of his manhood, through
> > flashbacks - they may be quite juicy and also startling.
> > Of course, this chap is not nice at all. =A0Why should only nice people
> > have movies made of them? =A0This chap is nasty, always envious and
> > trying to hurt
> > but at the same time he poses as a crusader against corruption, while
> > supporting corruption wherever he can find it when such corruption
> > boosts his own
> > rather pathetic ego.
> > Maybe, Jai, you barked up the wrong tree when you thought of making a
> > movie about me. This low budget stuff (starring some bigname Hollywood
> > oldie,
> > may get one of them cheap) could be a big hit and make solid money.
> > Then again, you need slow haunting music, solid photography skills,
> > and some
> > really good manic acting. =A0It may be too much to ask Mr Hopkins to do
> > it, but if we make this psycho case an actual wannabe-killer (this way
> > there could
> > be a merging of the two themes) then perhaps Mr Hopkins could be
> > interested. Hannibal was a successful killer, but this chap is
> > rather thick so he bungles up, and sinks to day-dreaming in his own
> > narrow world.
>
> Where whatever silly and mean thoughts he thinks up, is absolutely
> correct to him and then he gets ratty when ignored by whoever cares to
> look his way.
>
> In this ghor kalyug, this sort of character will be a far bigger draw
> for the US public than a chap like myself. Take the novel "White
> Tiger" by Anil Adiga for instance.
> It has won top western awards and is a commercial success. It is
> about an Indian entrepreneur who started as a chauffeur then became a
> top guy by
> robbing his employer after slitting his throat. He also lusted after
> his employer's wife (Pinky Madam) but fortunately did not rape her -
> that was the
> best thing about him. Justifying himself by marxist logic, and lying
> about Indian conditions (this is a novel after all) this character had
> appeal to the
> western publishers. Now, this is the sort of stuff that gets
> published and will become a movie. Take that nasty movie Slumdog
> Millionaire for instance - it
> shows Indians in the worst possible light. Evidently Hollywood/West
> will do nothing to show non-Christian Indians in a good light, and we
> can
> understand why. Thus, I don't think too much will come out of your
> efforts, Jai, if they somehow show Indians in a good light. I
> suppose, you got to
> paint me either black or white in your script!
Valid points, all! Sorry but the basic story and plot are
etched in stone in view of the green lights negotiated
and won. Only minor rewrites are now possible for the
project as accepted by the powers that exist beyond the
screenwriter.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 30, 2012, 5:02:51 AM3/30/12
to
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
The third meeting about the movie takes place in the
second half of next month.
second half of next month.
Arindam Banerjee
Mar 30, 2012, 8:08:22 AM3/30/12
to
On Mar 30, 8:02 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> > <cdf1de68-4574-4b2b-a6b9-058de2517...@x10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
Good, that will be about the time I return from our European holiday.
Day after tomorrow we leave for Paris via Beijing, then to Amsterdam
and back via
Dusseldorf.
Getting hounded out of employment has more than a silver lining...
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Elsewhere, in article
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > <cdf1de68-4574-4b2b-a6b9-058de2517...@x10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
Day after tomorrow we leave for Paris via Beijing, then to Amsterdam
and back via
Dusseldorf.
Getting hounded out of employment has more than a silver lining...
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Mar 30, 2012, 6:21:52 PM3/30/12
to
In article <13e970c6-0eb8-4bb6...@ur9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> n a film=3D
> people
> > > > > have movies made of them? =3DA0This chap is nasty, always envious a=
> nd
> > > > > trying to hurt
> > > > > but at the same time he poses as a crusader against corruption, whi=
> a
> > > > > movie about me. This low budget stuff (starring some bigname Hollyw=
> to do
> > > > > it, but if we make this psycho case an actual wannabe-killer (this =
> d
> > > > appeal to the
> > > > western publishers. =A0Now, this is the sort of stuff that gets
> > > > published and will become a movie. =A0Take that nasty movie Slumdog
> > > > efforts, Jai, if they somehow show Indians in a good light. =A0I
fortunes are made from working for yourself. Enjoy your
holiday!
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > Elsewhere, in article
> > > =A0<cdf1de68-4574-4b2b-a6b9-058de2517...@x10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > Elsewhere, in article
> > > Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > On Mar 28, 11:51=3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > > > In article
> > > A0<b96a9cd9-6454-4874-b5b8-df32f5f5b...@vy9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > On Mar 28, 11:51=3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > A0<5961a0be-1898-493d-b7a7-0f39dc3c9...@r2g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Sonia Gandhi behind Rajiv's assassination, says Swamy
> >
> > > > > > > > > Wow, this could be turned into a AC class novel! =3D3DA0The=
> >
> > > > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Sonia Gandhi behind Rajiv's assassination, says Swamy
> >
> n a film=3D
> > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > Go for it!
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > I go for bigger issues.
> >
> > > > > > Your idea of the movie can fund "bigger issues" quite well --
> > > > > > for example:
> >
> > > > > > "Hunger Games"
> >
> > > > > > March 23-25, 2012
> >
> > > > > > Weekend gross: $152,535,747
> > > > > > Budget: $78,000,000
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > I am not sure if our movie will make it that big. =3DA0Of course, w=
> >
> > > > > > > > Go for it!
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > I go for bigger issues.
> >
> > > > > > Your idea of the movie can fund "bigger issues" quite well --
> > > > > > for example:
> >
> > > > > > "Hunger Games"
> >
> > > > > > March 23-25, 2012
> >
> > > > > > Weekend gross: $152,535,747
> > > > > > Budget: $78,000,000
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> e can
> > > > > try for the best.
> > > > > Sometimes big money may come out of very low budget stuff.
> > > > > I mean, we can make a movie (a slow one, psychological type) of a
> > > > > loser who while claiming to be a PhD in some ancient language still
> > > > > cannot write
> > > > > a single line of the English language correctly.
> > > > > The traumatic events that deprived him of his manhood, through
> > > > > flashbacks - they may be quite juicy and also startling.
> > > > > Of course, this chap is not nice at all. =3DA0Why should only nice =
> > > > > try for the best.
> > > > > Sometimes big money may come out of very low budget stuff.
> > > > > I mean, we can make a movie (a slow one, psychological type) of a
> > > > > loser who while claiming to be a PhD in some ancient language still
> > > > > cannot write
> > > > > a single line of the English language correctly.
> > > > > The traumatic events that deprived him of his manhood, through
> > > > > flashbacks - they may be quite juicy and also startling.
> people
> > > > > have movies made of them? =3DA0This chap is nasty, always envious a=
> nd
> > > > > trying to hurt
> > > > > but at the same time he poses as a crusader against corruption, whi=
> le
> > > > > supporting corruption wherever he can find it when such corruption
> > > > > boosts his own
> > > > > rather pathetic ego.
> > > > > Maybe, Jai, you barked up the wrong tree when you thought of making=
> > > > > supporting corruption wherever he can find it when such corruption
> > > > > boosts his own
> > > > > rather pathetic ego.
> a
> > > > > movie about me. This low budget stuff (starring some bigname Hollyw=
> ood
> > > > > oldie,
> > > > > may get one of them cheap) could be a big hit and make solid money.
> > > > > Then again, you need slow haunting music, solid photography skills,
> > > > > and some
> > > > > really good manic acting. =3DA0It may be too much to ask Mr Hopkins=
> > > > > oldie,
> > > > > may get one of them cheap) could be a big hit and make solid money.
> > > > > Then again, you need slow haunting music, solid photography skills,
> > > > > and some
> to do
> > > > > it, but if we make this psycho case an actual wannabe-killer (this =
> way
> > > > > there could
> > > > > be a merging of the two themes) then perhaps Mr Hopkins could be
> > > > > interested. Hannibal was a successful killer, but this chap is
> > > > > rather thick so he bungles up, and sinks to day-dreaming in his own
> > > > > narrow world.
> >
> > > > Where whatever silly and mean thoughts he thinks up, is absolutely
> > > > correct to him and then he gets ratty when ignored by whoever cares t=
> > > > > there could
> > > > > be a merging of the two themes) then perhaps Mr Hopkins could be
> > > > > interested. Hannibal was a successful killer, but this chap is
> > > > > rather thick so he bungles up, and sinks to day-dreaming in his own
> > > > > narrow world.
> >
> > > > Where whatever silly and mean thoughts he thinks up, is absolutely
> o
> > > > look his way.
> >
> > > > In this ghor kalyug, this sort of character will be a far bigger draw
> > > > for the US public than a chap like myself. =A0Take the novel "White
> > > > look his way.
> >
> > > > In this ghor kalyug, this sort of character will be a far bigger draw
> > > > Tiger" by Anil Adiga for instance.
> > > > It has won top western awards and is a commercial success. =A0It is
> > > > about an Indian entrepreneur who started as a chauffeur then became a
> > > > top guy by
> > > > robbing his employer after slitting his throat. =A0He also lusted aft=
> > > > top guy by
> er
> > > > his employer's wife (Pinky Madam) but fortunately did not rape her -
> > > > that was the
> > > > best thing about him. Justifying himself by marxist logic, and lying
> > > > about Indian conditions (this is a novel after all) this character ha=
> > > > his employer's wife (Pinky Madam) but fortunately did not rape her -
> > > > that was the
> > > > best thing about him. Justifying himself by marxist logic, and lying
> d
> > > > appeal to the
> > > > western publishers. =A0Now, this is the sort of stuff that gets
> > > > published and will become a movie. =A0Take that nasty movie Slumdog
> > > > Millionaire for instance - it
> > > > shows Indians in the worst possible light. =A0Evidently Hollywood/Wes=
> t
> > > > will do nothing to show non-Christian Indians in a good light, and we
> > > > can
> > > > understand why. =A0Thus, I don't think too much will come out of your
> > > > will do nothing to show non-Christian Indians in a good light, and we
> > > > can
> > > > efforts, Jai, if they somehow show Indians in a good light. =A0I
> > > > suppose, you got to
> > > > paint me either black or white in your script!
> >
> > > Valid points, all! Sorry but the basic story and plot are
> > > etched in stone in view of the green lights negotiated
> > > and won. Only minor rewrites are now possible for the
> > > project as accepted by the powers that exist beyond the
> > > screenwriter.
> >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> >
> > The third meeting about the movie takes place in the
> > second half of next month.
> >
> > > > paint me either black or white in your script!
> >
> > > Valid points, all! Sorry but the basic story and plot are
> > > etched in stone in view of the green lights negotiated
> > > and won. Only minor rewrites are now possible for the
> > > project as accepted by the powers that exist beyond the
> > > screenwriter.
> >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> >
> > The third meeting about the movie takes place in the
> > second half of next month.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Good, that will be about the time I return from our European holiday.
> Day after tomorrow we leave for Paris via Beijing, then to Amsterdam
> and back via
> Dusseldorf.
> Getting hounded out of employment has more than a silver lining...
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
Careers are made from working for someone else, but
> Day after tomorrow we leave for Paris via Beijing, then to Amsterdam
> and back via
> Dusseldorf.
> Getting hounded out of employment has more than a silver lining...
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
fortunes are made from working for yourself. Enjoy your
holiday!
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 6, 2012, 2:14:29 PM4/6/12
to
In article <699be58e-222a-4faa...@f5g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>> In article <4247aee8-6e96-4845-8fac-74cbf2758...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.=
> com>,
>> =A0Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj POSTED:
>>
>>>> In article <769b2a2a-e8df-4c88-a23f-0c7b65a60...@lf20g2000pbb.googleg=
> roups.com>,
>>>> Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.com> posted:
>>
>>>>> On Mar 28, 1:55=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2:17=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.=
> com> w=3D
>>> rote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:04=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:58=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanom=
> ail.co=3D
>>> m> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the va=
> lues=3D
>>> =A0that a
>>>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the experiment validates=
> the
>>>>>>>>> theory. =3D3DA0No amount of 'interpretation' changes that b=
> asic f=3D
>>> act.
>>
>>>>>>>> Not so!
>>
>>>>>>>>> A null result is measured in the MMX. SR predicts a null re=
> sult=3D
>>> =A0for
>>>>>>>>> MMX.
>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant because the ballistic emiisionn theory (BaTh) also=
> pre=3D
>>> dicts
>>>>>>>> the null result. The =3D3DA0null result is consistent with bo=
> th the=3D
>>> =A0BaTh and
>>>>>>>> SR, it proves neither.
>>>>>>>>Zinnic
>>
>>>>>>> It appears that you don't understand the concept of validation.
>>>>>>> Validation is not proof. =3D3DA0You can never prove a physical =
> theory
>>>>>>> because that would require testing it under all possible circum=
> stan=3D
>>> ces
>>>>>>> to an infinite degree of precision. =3D3DA0We can only test a f=
> inite =3D
>>> number
>>>>>>> of cases, and only to a finite precision.
>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the values=
> tha=3D
>>> t a
>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the theory has been validate=
> d by
>>>>>>> the experiment. =3D3DA0Depending upon the particulars, the vali=
> dation=3D
>>> =A0may be
>>>>>>> weak or strong, but it is never a proof. =3D3DA0If multiple the=
> ories
>>>>>>> accurately predict the same result for a particular experiment,=
> tha=3D
>>> t
>>>>>>> experiment validates all of those theories. =3D3DA0That doesn't=
> mean =3D
>>> that
>>>>>>> any of them is always correct. =3D3DA0When competing theories p=
> redict
>>>>>>> different values in a particular circumstance, then an appropri=
> ate
>>>>>>> experiment will falsify those that predict incorrectly, and val=
> idat=3D
>>> e
>>>>>>> those that predict correctly. =3D3DA0In general, a theory must =
> be hig=3D
>>> hly
>>>>>>> validated (i.e. many different measurements under many circumst=
> ance=3D
>>> s)
>>>>>>> in order to be accepted as useful. =3D3DA0And of course theorie=
> s that=3D
>>> =A0are
>>>>>>> falsified by experiment are to be discarded.
>>>>>>> Note also that only repeatable vetted experiments are considere=
> d
>>>>>>> meaningful.
>>
>>>>>>> Paul Cardinale
>>
>>>>>> Fair enough. I stand corrected in that I agree that there cannot =
> be
>>>>>> absolute proof. However, if two different theories correctly pred=
> icte=3D
>>> d
>>>>>> the same experimental result, I would not claim =3D3DA0that resul=
> t vali=3D
>>> dates
>>>>>> either though I would concede that it invalidates neither.
>>>>>>Zinnic- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> The semantics can be a bit messy. =3DA0A theory that is validated b=
> y an
>>>>> experiment can still be an invalid theory.
>>>>> If 100 experiments validate a theory (i.e. the measurements agree w=
> ith
>>>>> the predictions), and one experiment falsifies the theory, then the
>>>>> theory is invalid; but those 100 validations still stand (of course
>>>>> they don't mean much in light of an invalidation by another
>>>>> experiment.)
>>
>>>>> Note also that all of this assumes a fixed domain of applicability.
>>>>> You could have a theory that was thought to be generally applicable=
> ,
>>>>> but then an experiment shows a case where it doesn't work. =3DA0Tha=
> t
>>>>> experiment would falsify it general, but the theory could still be
>>>>> valid (and useful), in a limited domain of applicability.
>>
>>>>> Paul Cardinale
>>
>>>> A theory may appear to be invalid within a frame but be
>>>> demonstrably valid in a smaller, larger or different
>>>> frame. In my use of "frame" I am including all known and
>>>> yet-to-be-known dimensions, including that of time.
>>> of any theory in "yet-to-be-known dimensions".
>>
>> "A theory may appear to be invalid..." is not necessarily
>> a pronouncement of its validity. Note the words "may" and
>> "necessarily".
> Hope all is going fine with your script!
> We are having a fantastic time in Paris. Saw Monet's garden and house
> in Giverney, took a walking tour and this morning visited the
> catacombs and Rodin's musuem. Now we will have dinner at the Eiffel
> tower restaurant, Seine cruise and Moulin Rouge...
> Life is a dream here, everything is so efficient and lovely. Amazing!
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
My screenwriting initiation is indirectly related to
Moulin Rouge. Where do you go from France?
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>> In article <4247aee8-6e96-4845-8fac-74cbf2758...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.=
> com>,
>> =A0Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj POSTED:
>>
>>>> In article <769b2a2a-e8df-4c88-a23f-0c7b65a60...@lf20g2000pbb.googleg=
> roups.com>,
>>>> Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.com> posted:
>>
>>>>> On Mar 28, 1:55=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2:17=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.=
> com> w=3D
>>> rote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:04=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:58=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanom=
> ail.co=3D
>>> m> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the va=
> lues=3D
>>> =A0that a
>>>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the experiment validates=
> the
>>>>>>>>> theory. =3D3DA0No amount of 'interpretation' changes that b=
> asic f=3D
>>> act.
>>
>>>>>>>> Not so!
>>
>>>>>>>>> A null result is measured in the MMX. SR predicts a null re=
> sult=3D
>>> =A0for
>>>>>>>>> MMX.
>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant because the ballistic emiisionn theory (BaTh) also=
> pre=3D
>>> dicts
>>>>>>>> the null result. The =3D3DA0null result is consistent with bo=
> th the=3D
>>> =A0BaTh and
>>>>>>>> SR, it proves neither.
>>>>>>>>Zinnic
>>
>>>>>>> It appears that you don't understand the concept of validation.
>>>>>>> Validation is not proof. =3D3DA0You can never prove a physical =
> theory
>>>>>>> because that would require testing it under all possible circum=
> stan=3D
>>> ces
>>>>>>> to an infinite degree of precision. =3D3DA0We can only test a f=
> inite =3D
>>> number
>>>>>>> of cases, and only to a finite precision.
>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the values=
> tha=3D
>>> t a
>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the theory has been validate=
> d by
>>>>>>> the experiment. =3D3DA0Depending upon the particulars, the vali=
> dation=3D
>>> =A0may be
>>>>>>> weak or strong, but it is never a proof. =3D3DA0If multiple the=
> ories
>>>>>>> accurately predict the same result for a particular experiment,=
> tha=3D
>>> t
>>>>>>> experiment validates all of those theories. =3D3DA0That doesn't=
> mean =3D
>>> that
>>>>>>> any of them is always correct. =3D3DA0When competing theories p=
> redict
>>>>>>> different values in a particular circumstance, then an appropri=
> ate
>>>>>>> experiment will falsify those that predict incorrectly, and val=
> idat=3D
>>> e
>>>>>>> those that predict correctly. =3D3DA0In general, a theory must =
> be hig=3D
>>> hly
>>>>>>> validated (i.e. many different measurements under many circumst=
> ance=3D
>>> s)
>>>>>>> in order to be accepted as useful. =3D3DA0And of course theorie=
> s that=3D
>>> =A0are
>>>>>>> falsified by experiment are to be discarded.
>>>>>>> Note also that only repeatable vetted experiments are considere=
> d
>>>>>>> meaningful.
>>
>>>>>>> Paul Cardinale
>>
>>>>>> Fair enough. I stand corrected in that I agree that there cannot =
> be
>>>>>> absolute proof. However, if two different theories correctly pred=
> icte=3D
>>> d
>>>>>> the same experimental result, I would not claim =3D3DA0that resul=
> t vali=3D
>>> dates
>>>>>> either though I would concede that it invalidates neither.
>>>>>>Zinnic- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> The semantics can be a bit messy. =3DA0A theory that is validated b=
> y an
>>>>> experiment can still be an invalid theory.
>>>>> If 100 experiments validate a theory (i.e. the measurements agree w=
> ith
>>>>> the predictions), and one experiment falsifies the theory, then the
>>>>> theory is invalid; but those 100 validations still stand (of course
>>>>> they don't mean much in light of an invalidation by another
>>>>> experiment.)
>>
>>>>> Note also that all of this assumes a fixed domain of applicability.
>>>>> You could have a theory that was thought to be generally applicable=
> ,
>>>>> but then an experiment shows a case where it doesn't work. =3DA0Tha=
> t
>>>>> experiment would falsify it general, but the theory could still be
>>>>> valid (and useful), in a limited domain of applicability.
>>
>>>>> Paul Cardinale
>>
>>>> A theory may appear to be invalid within a frame but be
>>>> demonstrably valid in a smaller, larger or different
>>>> frame. In my use of "frame" I am including all known and
>>>> yet-to-be-known dimensions, including that of time.
>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> You need to explain how you are qualified to pronounce on the validity
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> of any theory in "yet-to-be-known dimensions".
>>
>> "A theory may appear to be invalid..." is not necessarily
>> a pronouncement of its validity. Note the words "may" and
>> "necessarily".
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
>
> Hello Jai,
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
>
> Hope all is going fine with your script!
> We are having a fantastic time in Paris. Saw Monet's garden and house
> in Giverney, took a walking tour and this morning visited the
> catacombs and Rodin's musuem. Now we will have dinner at the Eiffel
> tower restaurant, Seine cruise and Moulin Rouge...
> Life is a dream here, everything is so efficient and lovely. Amazing!
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
My screenwriting initiation is indirectly related to
Moulin Rouge. Where do you go from France?
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 6, 2012, 6:55:07 PM4/6/12
to
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
Many lessons have been learned over time, and one of them
is that writing involves a lot of rewriting. This is
especially true when the author must meet the
requirements and deadlines set by other important people
in the team.
is that writing involves a lot of rewriting. This is
especially true when the author must meet the
requirements and deadlines set by other important people
in the team.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 6, 2012, 9:38:41 PM4/6/12
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The Idea Bird
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/#default
Of course, ideas are free but it's their execution that really sells.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/#default
Of course, ideas are free but it's their execution that really sells.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
o o o
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
"Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri)
<KalluM...@gmail.com> tries his best to be a bully --
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
"Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri)
telling others what and when to post, where to post and
where not to post, deliberately publishing lies about
others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but
fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"
<us...@this.com>, and issues *death threats* to people),
where not to post, deliberately publishing lies about
others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but
fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"
is priming himself for conditions such as stroke and
heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <jos...@gmail.com> who
heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
displays unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and
the instigator who posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse
through eternal-september.org and by writing someone
else's name or handle in the "From:" header -- their
favorite now is "fana...@gmail.com" (note the extra "b"
the instigator who posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse
through eternal-september.org and by writing someone
else's name or handle in the "From:" header -- their
and "gmail.com") to make it appear as if the posts are
from "fan...@aol.com", who has been a regular poster for
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 12:34:33 AM4/7/12
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ideabird 3/19/12
A scientist uses atomic decay detectors to build an
insane quantity of random word generators, then speaks a
question out loud. An insane quantity of software filters
finds the generators which randomly give the most
relevant answers. Bad generators are weeded out as
“unlucky” and replaced. This goes on at computer speeds
as long as it takes until there is one random generator
that answers reliably 99.9% percent of the time. Since
the spoken questions have no effect on random words
pulled from atomic decay, the scientist announces the
generator is indistinguishable from a sentient being,
perhaps even God.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/#default
A scientist uses atomic decay detectors to build an
insane quantity of random word generators, then speaks a
question out loud. An insane quantity of software filters
finds the generators which randomly give the most
relevant answers. Bad generators are weeded out as
“unlucky” and replaced. This goes on at computer speeds
as long as it takes until there is one random generator
that answers reliably 99.9% percent of the time. Since
the spoken questions have no effect on random words
pulled from atomic decay, the scientist announces the
generator is indistinguishable from a sentient being,
perhaps even God.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/#default
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 12:56:02 AM4/7/12
to
ideabird 2/13/12
Your consciousness stays with your body until it totally
dissolves. A biochemist, who is fascinated by the
processes narrates his decay, from person, to meat,
through the various changes that occur in his former
body.
Man more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/page/3
Your consciousness stays with your body until it totally
dissolves. A biochemist, who is fascinated by the
processes narrates his decay, from person, to meat,
through the various changes that occur in his former
body.
Man more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/page/3
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 1:42:53 AM4/7/12
to
Ideabird 1/25/12
Your spaceship approaches the asteroid. You know it’s
composition is a bunch of grayish minerals, and in the
dim sunlight it’s dull. When you turn on the ultra-
bright landing spotlights the surface is a riot of
fluorescent reds, greens and blues.
Many more at:
TheIdeaBird
Your spaceship approaches the asteroid. You know it’s
composition is a bunch of grayish minerals, and in the
dim sunlight it’s dull. When you turn on the ultra-
bright landing spotlights the surface is a riot of
fluorescent reds, greens and blues.
Many more at:
TheIdeaBird
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 2:16:55 AM4/7/12
to
ideabird 3/16/12
In the future we’ve barely moved off planet. But the vast
majority of humans have all followed their own paths.
Cyborgs live next to human-animal hybrids, who buy their
groceries from pagans who use psychotropic drugs to
expand their brains. Reincarnation is commonly used to
try different experiences.
Many more at:
TheIdeaBird
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/#default
In the future we’ve barely moved off planet. But the vast
majority of humans have all followed their own paths.
Cyborgs live next to human-animal hybrids, who buy their
groceries from pagans who use psychotropic drugs to
expand their brains. Reincarnation is commonly used to
try different experiences.
Many more at:
TheIdeaBird
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/#default
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 2:27:55 AM4/7/12
to
ideabird 3/23/12
The Earth’s atmosphere swells during cycles of heavy
solar radiation, and space junk is gradually dragged down
to earth. 2,000 years from now, humanity has built itself
up after the apocalypse. A wandering soldier is
struggling his way over a snowy pass when a fireball
lands near him. Sizzling in the ice is a piece of metal,
a half-melted wrench stamped "NASA."
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/post/19956266369/ideabird-3-23-12
My comment: His mission is to find an alternate meaning
of "NASA", which holds the key to his survival.
The Earth’s atmosphere swells during cycles of heavy
solar radiation, and space junk is gradually dragged down
to earth. 2,000 years from now, humanity has built itself
up after the apocalypse. A wandering soldier is
struggling his way over a snowy pass when a fireball
lands near him. Sizzling in the ice is a piece of metal,
a half-melted wrench stamped "NASA."
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/post/19956266369/ideabird-3-23-12
My comment: His mission is to find an alternate meaning
of "NASA", which holds the key to his survival.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 2:37:49 AM4/7/12
to
ideabird 1/11/12
An alien species evolves with a resonating crystal in
their brains which gives them a fine-grained sense of
time. They notice mountain climbers return with their
time out of sync, learn time changes according to
gravity, and develop the theory of relativity very early.
The concept of faster than light travel is supernatural
to them.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com
An alien species evolves with a resonating crystal in
their brains which gives them a fine-grained sense of
time. They notice mountain climbers return with their
time out of sync, learn time changes according to
gravity, and develop the theory of relativity very early.
The concept of faster than light travel is supernatural
to them.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 2:54:45 AM4/7/12
to
ideabird 2/10/12
One theory is that we used to hear gods when the two
separated halves of our brain spoke to each other. As the
halves joined, we became more integrated beings, and we
didn’t hear the gods. Studies show musicians have highly
developed connections between the two halves of their
brains. An ancient musician realizes that she is singing
away the gods, and yet the music still feels like she is
touching magic.
My comment: As a Hindu, I find the above extremely weak
but it may work with Western audiences.
One theory is that we used to hear gods when the two
separated halves of our brain spoke to each other. As the
halves joined, we became more integrated beings, and we
didn’t hear the gods. Studies show musicians have highly
developed connections between the two halves of their
brains. An ancient musician realizes that she is singing
away the gods, and yet the music still feels like she is
touching magic.
My comment: As a Hindu, I find the above extremely weak
but it may work with Western audiences.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 8:07:40 PM4/7/12
to
ideabird 4/6/12
Meteor strikes on the moon are common. But material
starts raining down on the moon base, the front edge of a
massive debris field. There are large quantities of black
diamonds, carbonadoes, mixed in. The excitement of the
riches is diminished when its shown that carbonadoes are
made inside supernovae, and these black diamonds are a
precursor of asteroid-sized iron chunks of supernova core
rocketing through our system.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/
Meteor strikes on the moon are common. But material
starts raining down on the moon base, the front edge of a
massive debris field. There are large quantities of black
diamonds, carbonadoes, mixed in. The excitement of the
riches is diminished when its shown that carbonadoes are
made inside supernovae, and these black diamonds are a
precursor of asteroid-sized iron chunks of supernova core
rocketing through our system.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 7, 2012, 8:10:02 PM4/7/12
to
ideabird 2/29/12
Eco-terrorists threaten to blow up the dam across the
Golden Gate, the West Coast’s fresh water reserve since
rain stopped falling across the Northwest. Ocean levels
have risen so high, with global warming, that the dam
protects the bay from flooding. The pressure of sea water
against the dam drives the desalinization plant. A team
of aging hackers and army misfits is released from
Manzanar prison to take the terrorists on.
Eco-terrorists threaten to blow up the dam across the
Golden Gate, the West Coast’s fresh water reserve since
rain stopped falling across the Northwest. Ocean levels
have risen so high, with global warming, that the dam
protects the bay from flooding. The pressure of sea water
against the dam drives the desalinization plant. A team
of aging hackers and army misfits is released from
Manzanar prison to take the terrorists on.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 8, 2012, 12:31:59 AM4/8/12
to
Excerpts:
[...]
How do we have insights, and where does inspiration come
from?
[...]
In order to isolate the brain activity that defined the
insight process, Beeman needed to compare moments of
insight to answers that arrived by conscious analysis,
that is, by people methodically testing ideas one at a
time. In conscious analysis, people have a sense of their
progress and can accurately explain their thought
processes. The problem is solved through diligence and
hard work; when the answer arrives, there is nothing
sudden about it.
[...]
More at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/apr/06/neuroscience-bob-dylan-genius-creativity
[...]
How do we have insights, and where does inspiration come
from?
[...]
In order to isolate the brain activity that defined the
insight process, Beeman needed to compare moments of
insight to answers that arrived by conscious analysis,
that is, by people methodically testing ideas one at a
time. In conscious analysis, people have a sense of their
progress and can accurately explain their thought
processes. The problem is solved through diligence and
hard work; when the answer arrives, there is nothing
sudden about it.
[...]
More at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/apr/06/neuroscience-bob-dylan-genius-creativity
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 8, 2012, 1:39:08 AM4/8/12
to
Excerpts:
Every creative journey begins with a problem. It starts
with a feeling of frustration, the dull ache of not being
able to find the answer. When we tell one another stories
about creativity, we tend to leave out this phase of the
creative process. We neglect to mention those days when
we wanted to quit, when we believed that our problems
were impossible to solve. Instead, we skip straight to
the breakthroughs. The danger of telling this narrative
is that the feeling of frustration – the act of being
stumped – is an essential part of the creative process.
Before we can find the answer – before we probably even
know the question – we must be immersed in
disappointment, convinced that a solution is beyond our
reach. It's often only at this point, after we've stopped
searching for the answer, that the answer arrives. All of
a sudden, the answer to the problem that seemed so
daunting becomes incredibly obvious.
This is the clichéd moment of insight that people know so
well from stories of Archimedes in the bathtub and Isaac
Newton under the apple tree. When people think about
creative breakthroughs, they tend to imagine them as
incandescent flashes, like a light bulb going on inside
the brain.
Every creative journey begins with a problem. It starts
with a feeling of frustration, the dull ache of not being
able to find the answer. When we tell one another stories
about creativity, we tend to leave out this phase of the
creative process. We neglect to mention those days when
we wanted to quit, when we believed that our problems
were impossible to solve. Instead, we skip straight to
the breakthroughs. The danger of telling this narrative
is that the feeling of frustration – the act of being
stumped – is an essential part of the creative process.
Before we can find the answer – before we probably even
know the question – we must be immersed in
disappointment, convinced that a solution is beyond our
reach. It's often only at this point, after we've stopped
searching for the answer, that the answer arrives. All of
a sudden, the answer to the problem that seemed so
daunting becomes incredibly obvious.
This is the clichéd moment of insight that people know so
well from stories of Archimedes in the bathtub and Isaac
Newton under the apple tree. When people think about
creative breakthroughs, they tend to imagine them as
incandescent flashes, like a light bulb going on inside
the brain.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 8, 2012, 4:17:31 AM4/8/12
to
ideabird 3/30/12
The Fermi paradox asks: if aliens have existed since the
universe began where are they now? There was an early
alien species that sent probes to possibly inhabitable
worlds which lodge themselves under the crust of the
planet, self-replicate, and sleep. If the surface
develops intelligent life, when they begin to generate a
certain quantity of radio waves the sleepers awaken and
take over the surface, where they send out more probes.
The Fermi paradox asks: if aliens have existed since the
universe began where are they now? There was an early
alien species that sent probes to possibly inhabitable
worlds which lodge themselves under the crust of the
planet, self-replicate, and sleep. If the surface
develops intelligent life, when they begin to generate a
certain quantity of radio waves the sleepers awaken and
take over the surface, where they send out more probes.
Zinnic
Apr 8, 2012, 8:15:38 AM4/8/12
to
On Apr 8, 3:17 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
fiction. Now show us how to change Arindam's fiction into science!
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> ideabird 3/30/12
>
> The Fermi paradox asks: if aliens have existed since the
> universe began where are they now? There was an early
> alien species that sent probes to possibly inhabitable
> worlds which lodge themselves under the crust of the
> planet, self-replicate, and sleep. If the surface
> develops intelligent life, when they begin to generate a
> certain quantity of radio waves the sleepers awaken and
> take over the surface, where they send out more probes.
>
> Many more at:
>
> http://theideabird.tumblr.com/
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> o o o
OK! Your posts demonstrate how easy it is to turn science into
> ideabird 3/30/12
>
> The Fermi paradox asks: if aliens have existed since the
> universe began where are they now? There was an early
> alien species that sent probes to possibly inhabitable
> worlds which lodge themselves under the crust of the
> planet, self-replicate, and sleep. If the surface
> develops intelligent life, when they begin to generate a
> certain quantity of radio waves the sleepers awaken and
> take over the surface, where they send out more probes.
>
> Many more at:
>
> http://theideabird.tumblr.com/
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> o o o
fiction. Now show us how to change Arindam's fiction into science!
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 1:18:43 AM4/9/12
to
ideabird 3/19/12
A scientist uses atomic decay detectors to build an
insane quantity of random word generators, then speaks a
question out loud. An insane quantity of software filters
finds the generators which randomly give the most
relevant answers. Bad generators are weeded out as
"unlucky" and replaced. This goes on at computer speeds
as long as it takes until there is one random generator
that answers reliably 99.9% percent of the time. Since
the spoken questions have no effect on random words
pulled from atomic decay, the scientist announces the
generator is indistinguishable from a sentient being...
A scientist uses atomic decay detectors to build an
insane quantity of random word generators, then speaks a
question out loud. An insane quantity of software filters
finds the generators which randomly give the most
relevant answers. Bad generators are weeded out as
"unlucky" and replaced. This goes on at computer speeds
as long as it takes until there is one random generator
that answers reliably 99.9% percent of the time. Since
the spoken questions have no effect on random words
pulled from atomic decay, the scientist announces the
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 1:54:33 AM4/9/12
to
ideabird 3/22/12
A girl who grows up with absolutely nothing grows up to
be a data thief. She wants to own all of the things she
never had, but her job requires that she travel without
any material items.
My comment: She travels to distant galaxies.
A girl who grows up with absolutely nothing grows up to
be a data thief. She wants to own all of the things she
never had, but her job requires that she travel without
any material items.
My comment: She travels to distant galaxies.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 2:10:32 AM4/9/12
to
ideabird 2/27/12 - Oscars Edition
A pair of 1920s shoes with celluloid high-heels is found
in a thrift store in Lyon. A collector from Hollywood
buys them. A team of nano-archaelologists takes them
apart, molecule by molecule, digitizing the chemical
makeup. Computers reassemble the chains of numbers into
images, and reconstruct several minutes of a lost George
Méliès film.
A pair of 1920s shoes with celluloid high-heels is found
in a thrift store in Lyon. A collector from Hollywood
buys them. A team of nano-archaelologists takes them
apart, molecule by molecule, digitizing the chemical
makeup. Computers reassemble the chains of numbers into
images, and reconstruct several minutes of a lost George
Méliès film.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 2:46:28 AM4/9/12
to
ideabird 2/1/12
Traveling through the dead velvet of hyperspace takes
months to the nearest colonies. Bodies are drawn through
the narrow passages in strings of individual pods,
thousands long, each in suspended animation. A tiny
percentage wake up and arrive mad. A Buddhist monk,
trained in meditiation sabotages his pod to experience
the entire ride.
Traveling through the dead velvet of hyperspace takes
months to the nearest colonies. Bodies are drawn through
the narrow passages in strings of individual pods,
thousands long, each in suspended animation. A tiny
percentage wake up and arrive mad. A Buddhist monk,
trained in meditiation sabotages his pod to experience
the entire ride.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 3:22:22 AM4/9/12
to
Ideabird 2/17/12
Every town, every neighborhood, has two or three masked
heroes. They all work for the police or fire departments.
No one has any "super" powers, but some are former
wrestlers, others brilliant detectives, some are charming
politicians. It’s a high-prestige job that attracts the
best people. All of them represent the cities’ pride.
My comment: Some of them are super-scientists.
Every town, every neighborhood, has two or three masked
heroes. They all work for the police or fire departments.
No one has any "super" powers, but some are former
wrestlers, others brilliant detectives, some are charming
politicians. It’s a high-prestige job that attracts the
best people. All of them represent the cities’ pride.
My comment: Some of them are super-scientists.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 1:57:53 PM4/9/12
to
Ideabird 1/25/12
Your spaceship approaches the asteroid. You know it’s
composition is a bunch of grayish minerals, and in the
dim sunlight it’s dull. When you turn on the ultra-
bright landing spotlights the surface is a riot of
fluorescent reds, greens and blues.
My comment: But the most prominent of all is saffron.
Your spaceship approaches the asteroid. You know it’s
composition is a bunch of grayish minerals, and in the
dim sunlight it’s dull. When you turn on the ultra-
bright landing spotlights the surface is a riot of
fluorescent reds, greens and blues.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 2:19:20 PM4/9/12
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A previous post:
PUSHPAK VIMAAN - BHARAT'S ANCIENT SPACECRAFT
Forwarded message from durgashakti1...@yahoo.com
[ Subject: pushpak vimaana
[ From: durgashakti1...@yahoo.com
[ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005
Rense.com
Ancient Indian Spacecraft
And Aircraft Technology
By The Hindu Staff Reporter
1-6-5
Tirupati - 'India had a treasure trove of hitech warfare
technology that even the 'mighty West' does not possess.
The Brahmastra and Vimaan used in the pre-Mahabharat
period are nothing but the earlier versions of today's
nuclear weapons and spacecraft.'
It is this feeling that one would get after listening to
a lecture on 'High Technology in Ancient Sanskrit
Literature' by Mr. C. S. R. Prabhu, senior scientist,
NIC, Hyderabad, on Thursday as part of the three- day
Indo-Nepal Sanskrit Conference, currently underway at the
Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha here.
Mr. Prabhu, quoting extensively from ancient texts,
stressed that the pre-Mahabharat period was an age of
high technology, which was ignored in the Medieval period
due to reasons not known.
He quoted from the texts of a great scholar, Subbaraya
Sastry, who, in a state of yogic trance, is said to have
orally dictated the spacecraft technology in a period
somewhere between 1875 and 1919, which was recorded by
his disciples. The text, a copy of which is still in
Nepal's Royal Library, contained technical details on
assembling, fabricating and erecting a spacecraft, the
metals, semi-conductors, advanced alloys used and other
minute aeronautical information. Though quite difficult
to be believed on the face of it, the fact that this
technology did not exist anywhere in the world - not even
in America and Europe - in the mentioned period, makes it
hard for one to disbelieve.
Artwork by James Neff
The technical information given in Sastry's texts was as
minute, precise and clear, as if it were a 'Make your own
spacecraft' or a 'Spacecraft technology in 30 days'
except for the Sanskrit language used, which was very
much archaic and obsolete, Mr. Prabhu said. On a tip on
making an alloy, the text said 'Krishnaseesam Chanjanikam
Vajrathundam samamsathaha' from which the real meaning of
'Vajrathundam' (used in that context), could not be found
in any contemporary Sanskrit dictionary. ''After a great
amount of interaction with ayurvedic specialists and
Swamijis with intuitive interpretations, it turned out to
be the cactus plant,'' he said.
To further strengthen his claim, he said there were wall
paintings in some forts in Rajasthan depicting the use of
rockets in Mughal warfare and even by Tipu Sultan of
Mysore. Another interesting fact he gave was that the
spacecraft could become invisible on its own. The lead
alloy (Thamogarbha loha) used in making the body of the
spacecraft would absorb light around it in a photo
chemical reaction that would make it disappear.
On testing the Krishna seesa metal mentioned in the
formula in the laboratory of Birla Institute of Science,
Hyderabad, Mr. Prabhu found the metal absorbing 78 per
cent of laser light, which means, any other light could
be easily absorbed, giving ample proof that there existed
a technology to make things invisible. Also the use of an
alloy of copper, zinc and lead made the spacecraft's body
resist corrosion by 1000 times over that of the current
levels. Using Ararakamra material for the axle and wheels
had made it possible for taking 'U' turns and serpentine
movements.
An astonishing fact is that the Ararakamra metal was an
alloy of copper, zinc, lead and iron, the combination of
which is impossible, according to modern metallurgy.
Technically, the ''Young's modulus'' of this metal is
said to be higher than that of steel, making it stronger.
As the spacecraft had to be capable of resisting high
temperature, on re-entering our atmosphere from the outer
space, its body was made with a metal called 'Raja Loha'.
Its special feature was that apart from resisting heat,
it converted light from lightnings into energy. To
crosscheck all these details, there were no furnaces
available in Hyderabad to melt metals at a high
temperature of 2500 degrees celcius, Mr. Prabhu lamented.
Another hitch came into his research in the form of the
'energy' used. 'Though the texts explained that the
spacecraft was propelled by 'Sourasakthi', modern solar
technology does not generate so much power to drag a
rocket', he pointed out. Later he found out to his
bewilderment that it was a kind of 'nuclear power' that
was used in those days. 'The solar power, when coupled
with gamma rays produced nuclear energy that had the
power to propel a rocket', Mr. Prabhu observed.
He even spoke on 'Tripura Vimaan' that was used to travel
in space, water and on land, by using the metal 'Trinetra
loha'. Mr. Prabhu said he had submitted the model and
some more information on the 'super metal' to the Indian
Metal Society Conference and further claimed that the
advisor to the government on scientific affairs Dr. A. P.
J. Abdul Kalam too had asked him to bring the design of
the plane.
A committee which was appointed by Indian Institute of
Science to investigate into it, declared Sastry's texts
as 'fraud', but Mr. Prabhu reasons that the descriptions
mentioned in the ancient texts were perhaps too advanced
to believe, making the committee to hastily come to the
conclusion. He wanted a national level effort to prove
that the so called 'myths' were in fact, scientific
formulae on advanced technology. He said he had proposed
a project called 'Bharadwaja Institute of Vedic Science
and Technology', the objective of which was to derive,
decipher and reproduce advanced methodologies and
processes from Vedic and post-Vedic Sanskrit texts, for
which he sought government's support.
More Reading On This Subject -
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm
http://ebusiness.ada.gov.in/library/library/VymanikaShastra1.htm
End of forwarded message from durgashakti1...@yahoo.com
PUSHPAK VIMAAN - BHARAT'S ANCIENT SPACECRAFT
Forwarded message from durgashakti1...@yahoo.com
[ Subject: pushpak vimaana
[ From: durgashakti1...@yahoo.com
[ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005
Rense.com
Ancient Indian Spacecraft
And Aircraft Technology
By The Hindu Staff Reporter
1-6-5
Tirupati - 'India had a treasure trove of hitech warfare
technology that even the 'mighty West' does not possess.
The Brahmastra and Vimaan used in the pre-Mahabharat
period are nothing but the earlier versions of today's
nuclear weapons and spacecraft.'
It is this feeling that one would get after listening to
a lecture on 'High Technology in Ancient Sanskrit
Literature' by Mr. C. S. R. Prabhu, senior scientist,
NIC, Hyderabad, on Thursday as part of the three- day
Indo-Nepal Sanskrit Conference, currently underway at the
Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha here.
Mr. Prabhu, quoting extensively from ancient texts,
stressed that the pre-Mahabharat period was an age of
high technology, which was ignored in the Medieval period
due to reasons not known.
He quoted from the texts of a great scholar, Subbaraya
Sastry, who, in a state of yogic trance, is said to have
orally dictated the spacecraft technology in a period
somewhere between 1875 and 1919, which was recorded by
his disciples. The text, a copy of which is still in
Nepal's Royal Library, contained technical details on
assembling, fabricating and erecting a spacecraft, the
metals, semi-conductors, advanced alloys used and other
minute aeronautical information. Though quite difficult
to be believed on the face of it, the fact that this
technology did not exist anywhere in the world - not even
in America and Europe - in the mentioned period, makes it
hard for one to disbelieve.
Artwork by James Neff
The technical information given in Sastry's texts was as
minute, precise and clear, as if it were a 'Make your own
spacecraft' or a 'Spacecraft technology in 30 days'
except for the Sanskrit language used, which was very
much archaic and obsolete, Mr. Prabhu said. On a tip on
making an alloy, the text said 'Krishnaseesam Chanjanikam
Vajrathundam samamsathaha' from which the real meaning of
'Vajrathundam' (used in that context), could not be found
in any contemporary Sanskrit dictionary. ''After a great
amount of interaction with ayurvedic specialists and
Swamijis with intuitive interpretations, it turned out to
be the cactus plant,'' he said.
To further strengthen his claim, he said there were wall
paintings in some forts in Rajasthan depicting the use of
rockets in Mughal warfare and even by Tipu Sultan of
Mysore. Another interesting fact he gave was that the
spacecraft could become invisible on its own. The lead
alloy (Thamogarbha loha) used in making the body of the
spacecraft would absorb light around it in a photo
chemical reaction that would make it disappear.
On testing the Krishna seesa metal mentioned in the
formula in the laboratory of Birla Institute of Science,
Hyderabad, Mr. Prabhu found the metal absorbing 78 per
cent of laser light, which means, any other light could
be easily absorbed, giving ample proof that there existed
a technology to make things invisible. Also the use of an
alloy of copper, zinc and lead made the spacecraft's body
resist corrosion by 1000 times over that of the current
levels. Using Ararakamra material for the axle and wheels
had made it possible for taking 'U' turns and serpentine
movements.
An astonishing fact is that the Ararakamra metal was an
alloy of copper, zinc, lead and iron, the combination of
which is impossible, according to modern metallurgy.
Technically, the ''Young's modulus'' of this metal is
said to be higher than that of steel, making it stronger.
As the spacecraft had to be capable of resisting high
temperature, on re-entering our atmosphere from the outer
space, its body was made with a metal called 'Raja Loha'.
Its special feature was that apart from resisting heat,
it converted light from lightnings into energy. To
crosscheck all these details, there were no furnaces
available in Hyderabad to melt metals at a high
temperature of 2500 degrees celcius, Mr. Prabhu lamented.
Another hitch came into his research in the form of the
'energy' used. 'Though the texts explained that the
spacecraft was propelled by 'Sourasakthi', modern solar
technology does not generate so much power to drag a
rocket', he pointed out. Later he found out to his
bewilderment that it was a kind of 'nuclear power' that
was used in those days. 'The solar power, when coupled
with gamma rays produced nuclear energy that had the
power to propel a rocket', Mr. Prabhu observed.
He even spoke on 'Tripura Vimaan' that was used to travel
in space, water and on land, by using the metal 'Trinetra
loha'. Mr. Prabhu said he had submitted the model and
some more information on the 'super metal' to the Indian
Metal Society Conference and further claimed that the
advisor to the government on scientific affairs Dr. A. P.
J. Abdul Kalam too had asked him to bring the design of
the plane.
A committee which was appointed by Indian Institute of
Science to investigate into it, declared Sastry's texts
as 'fraud', but Mr. Prabhu reasons that the descriptions
mentioned in the ancient texts were perhaps too advanced
to believe, making the committee to hastily come to the
conclusion. He wanted a national level effort to prove
that the so called 'myths' were in fact, scientific
formulae on advanced technology. He said he had proposed
a project called 'Bharadwaja Institute of Vedic Science
and Technology', the objective of which was to derive,
decipher and reproduce advanced methodologies and
processes from Vedic and post-Vedic Sanskrit texts, for
which he sought government's support.
More Reading On This Subject -
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm
http://ebusiness.ada.gov.in/library/library/VymanikaShastra1.htm
End of forwarded message from durgashakti1...@yahoo.com
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 2:57:48 PM4/9/12
to
I posted the following 19 years ago:
[ Subject: Re: VEDIC SCIENCE
[ From: Jai Maharaj
[ Date: April 1, 1993
RS> What did it to in such a long time, if it was
RS> a science?
Inasmuch as Jyotish, Vedic prediction sciences are
contained in Vedic texts, allow me to enter this post to
illustratively address your question.
In late October, 1992, the U.S. space shuttle Columbia
was testing gold alloys in a metal furnace 160 miles up
in space. According to Dr. Siddharth -- astrophysicist
and head of the Birla Science Center in Hyderabad, India
-- Hindus thousands of years ago were manufacturing and
piloting space-faring vehicles with materials and gear
more advanced than today's engineering.
The assertion of ancient Indian flying and space
technology isn't new. But it has never gained high
altitude in the atmosphere of [modern] science
credibility. However, the Birla Center was created to
investigate technologies and theories buried deep in
ancient Indian literature, mainly science Shastr:,
"manuals."
Siddharth and his colleagues at the Birla Science Center
and the Birla Institute of Scientific Research cooked up
results of alleged millenia-old Hindu technology in their
lab furnaces: exotic alloys, glasses and ceramics. Dr.
Siddharth confidently told Hinduism Today these materials
suggest the early Hindus matched today's "remote imging
and sensing technology or even excelled in certain
respects."
When the Viman: alloys (as mentioned in the Viman:
Prakaranam) were created, Dr. M.C. Ganokar of the Birla
labs compared them to an international alloy table and
discovered that none were on it. They were novel in
combination and properties. Twenty specimens were
produced. One of the alloys -- lead and certain lead
oxides -- was tested by Dr. Robert Anderson of San Jose
State University (California) who beamed laser light into
it. It startled him by completely absorbing the light.
Dr. Ganokar states that this was used as a protective
coating for space craft. Dr. Siddharth states that the
Viman: shastr describes a variety of air and space craft,
and 32 different instruments.
- based on excerpts from "Birla Science Center Claims
Hard Proof of Vedic Space-Voyaging," by C.S.H.N. Murthy;
Hinduism Today; Himalayan Academy; December 1992;
Concord, California.
[ Subject: Re: VEDIC SCIENCE
[ From: Jai Maharaj
[ Date: April 1, 1993
RS> What did it to in such a long time, if it was
RS> a science?
Inasmuch as Jyotish, Vedic prediction sciences are
contained in Vedic texts, allow me to enter this post to
illustratively address your question.
In late October, 1992, the U.S. space shuttle Columbia
was testing gold alloys in a metal furnace 160 miles up
in space. According to Dr. Siddharth -- astrophysicist
and head of the Birla Science Center in Hyderabad, India
-- Hindus thousands of years ago were manufacturing and
piloting space-faring vehicles with materials and gear
more advanced than today's engineering.
The assertion of ancient Indian flying and space
technology isn't new. But it has never gained high
altitude in the atmosphere of [modern] science
credibility. However, the Birla Center was created to
investigate technologies and theories buried deep in
ancient Indian literature, mainly science Shastr:,
"manuals."
Siddharth and his colleagues at the Birla Science Center
and the Birla Institute of Scientific Research cooked up
results of alleged millenia-old Hindu technology in their
lab furnaces: exotic alloys, glasses and ceramics. Dr.
Siddharth confidently told Hinduism Today these materials
suggest the early Hindus matched today's "remote imging
and sensing technology or even excelled in certain
respects."
When the Viman: alloys (as mentioned in the Viman:
Prakaranam) were created, Dr. M.C. Ganokar of the Birla
labs compared them to an international alloy table and
discovered that none were on it. They were novel in
combination and properties. Twenty specimens were
produced. One of the alloys -- lead and certain lead
oxides -- was tested by Dr. Robert Anderson of San Jose
State University (California) who beamed laser light into
it. It startled him by completely absorbing the light.
Dr. Ganokar states that this was used as a protective
coating for space craft. Dr. Siddharth states that the
Viman: shastr describes a variety of air and space craft,
and 32 different instruments.
- based on excerpts from "Birla Science Center Claims
Hard Proof of Vedic Space-Voyaging," by C.S.H.N. Murthy;
Hinduism Today; Himalayan Academy; December 1992;
Concord, California.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 9, 2012, 10:18:01 PM4/9/12
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"Become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem
to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
there." - Norman Vincent Peale
to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
there." - Norman Vincent Peale
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Flying high - by K R Swamy, Deccan Herald, 2003
[ Subject: FLYING HIGH
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: Thursday, December 18, 2003
Flying high
Hundred years after Orville Wright's first flight, K R
N SWAMY remembers Shivkur Bapuji Talpade, the Indian who
flew an unmanned aircraft, eight years before Wright
The Deccan Herald
Wednesday, December 17, 2003
Orville Wright demonstrated on December 17th 1903 that
it was possible for a 'manned heavier than air machine
to fly'. But, in 1895, eight years earlier, the Sanskrit
scholar Shivkar Bapuji Talpade had designed a basic
aircraft called Marutsakthi (meaning Power of Air) based
on Vedic technology and had it take off unmanned before
a large audience in the Chowpathy beach of Bombay. The
importance of the Wright brothers lies in the fact, that
it was a manned flight for a distance of 120 feet and
Orville Wright became the first man to fly. But
Talpade's unmanned aircraft flew to a height of 1500
feet before crashing down and the historian Evan
Koshtka, has described Talpade as the 'first creator of
an aircraft'.
As the world observes the one hundredth anniversary of
the first manned flight, it is interesting to consider
the saga of India's 19th century first aircraft inventor
for his design was entirely based on the rich treasury
of India's Vedas. Shivkar Bapuji Talpade was born in
1864 in the locality of Chirabazar at Dukkarwadi in
Bombay.
He was a scholar of Sanskrit and from his young age was
attracted by the Vaimanika Sastra (Aeronautical Science)
expounded by the great Indian sage Maharishi Bhardwaja.
One western scholar of Indology Stephen-Knapp has put in
simple words or rather has tried to explain what Talpade
did and succeeded!
According to Knapp, the Vaimanika Shastra describes in
detail, the construction of what is called, the mercury
vortex engine the forerunner of the ion engines being
made today by NASA. Knapp adds that additional
information on the mercury engines can be found in the
ancient Vedic text called Samaranga Sutradhara. This
text also devotes 230 verses, to the use of these
machines in peace and war. The Indologist William
Clarendon, who has written down a detailed description
of the mercury vortex engine in his translation of
Samaranga Sutradhara quotes thus 'Inside the circular
air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar
mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the
power latent in the heated mercury which sets the
driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may
travel a great distance in a most marvellous manner.
Four strong mercury containers must be built into the
interior structure. When these have been heated by fire
through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft)
develops thunder-power through the mercury.
NASA (National Aeronau-tical and Space Administra-tion)
world's richest/ most powerful scientific organisation
is trying to create an ion engine that is a device that
uses a stream of high velocity electrified particles
instead of a blast of hot gases like in present day
modern jet engines. Surprisingly according to the bi-
monthly Ancient Skies published in USA, the aircraft
engines being developed for future use by NASA by some
strange coincidence also uses mercury bombardment units
powered by Solar cells! Interestingly, the impulse is
generated in seven stages. The mercury propellant is
first vapourised fed into the thruster discharge chamber
ionised converted into plasma by a combination with
electrons broke down electrically and then accelerated
through small openings in a screen to pass out of the
engine at velocities between 1200 to 3000 kilometres per
minute! But so far NASA has been able to produce an
experimental basis only a one pound of thrust by its
scientists a power derivation virtually useless. But 108
years ago Talpade was able to use his knowledge of
Vaimanika Shastra to produce sufficient thrust to lift
his aircraft 1500 feet into the air!
According to Indian scholar Acharya, 'Vaimanika Shastra
deals about aeronautics including the design of aircraft
the way they can be used for transportation and other
applications in detail. The knowledge of aeronautics is
described in Sanskrit in 100 sections, eight chapters,
500 principles and 3000 slokas including 32 techniques
to fly an aircraft. In fact, depending on the
classifications of eras or Yugas in modern Kaliyuga
aircraft used are called Krithakavimana flown by the
power of engines by absorbing solar energies!' It is
feared that only portions of Bharadwaja's masterpiece
Vaimanika Shas-tra survive today.
The question that comes to one's mind is, what happened
to this wonderful encyclopaedia of aeronautical
knowledge accumulated by the Indian savants of yore, and
why was it not used? But in those days, such knowledge
was the preserve of sages, who would not allow it to be
misused, just like the knowledge of atomic bombs is
being used by terrorists today!
According to scholar Ratnakar Mahajan who wrote a
brochure on Talpade. 'Being a Sanskrit scholar
interested in aeronautics, Talpade studied and consulted
a number of Vedic treatises like Brihad Vaimanika
Shastra of Maharishi Bharadwaja Vimanachandrika of
Acharya Narayan Muni Viman yantra of Maharish Shownik
Yantra Kalp by Maharishi Garg Muni Viman Bindu of
Acharya Vachaspati and Vimana Gyanarka Prakashika of
Maharishi Dhundiraj'. This gave him confidence that he
can build an aircraft with mercury engines. One
essential factor in the creation of these Vedic aircraft
was the timing of the Suns Rays or Solar energy (as
being now utilised by NASA) when they were most
effective to activate the mercury ions of the engine.
Happily for Talpade Maharaja Sayaji Rao Gaekwad of
Baroda a great supporter of the Sciences in India, was
willing to help him and Talpade went ahead with his
aircraft construction with mercury engines. One day in
1895 (unfortunately the actual date is not mentioned in
the Kesari newspaper of Pune which covered the event)
before an curious scholarly audience headed by the
famous Indian judge/ nationalist/ Mahadeva Govin-da
Ranade and H H Sayaji Rao Gaekwad Talpade had the good
fortune to see his un manned aircraft named as
'Marutsakthi' take off, fly to a height of 1500 feet and
then fall down to earth.
But this success of an Indian scientist was not liked
by the Imperial rulers. Warned by the British Government
the Maharaja of Baroda stopped helping Talpade. It is
said that the remains of the Marutsakthi were sold to
'foreign parties' by the relatives of Talpade in order
to salvage whatever they can out of their loans to him.
Talpade's wife died at this critical juncture and he was
not in a mental frame to continue with his researches.
But his efforts to make known the greatness of Vedic
Shastras was recognised by Indian scholars, who gave him
the title of Vidya Prakash Pra-deep.
Talpade passed away in 1916 un-honoured, in his own
country.
As the world rightly honours the Wright Brothers for
their achievements, we should think of Talpade, who
utilised the ancient knowledge of Sanskrit texts, to fly
an aircraft, eight years before his foreign counterparts.
More at:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec16/snt2.asp
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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[ Subject: FLYING HIGH
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: Thursday, December 18, 2003
Flying high
Hundred years after Orville Wright's first flight, K R
N SWAMY remembers Shivkur Bapuji Talpade, the Indian who
flew an unmanned aircraft, eight years before Wright
The Deccan Herald
Wednesday, December 17, 2003
Orville Wright demonstrated on December 17th 1903 that
it was possible for a 'manned heavier than air machine
to fly'. But, in 1895, eight years earlier, the Sanskrit
scholar Shivkar Bapuji Talpade had designed a basic
aircraft called Marutsakthi (meaning Power of Air) based
on Vedic technology and had it take off unmanned before
a large audience in the Chowpathy beach of Bombay. The
importance of the Wright brothers lies in the fact, that
it was a manned flight for a distance of 120 feet and
Orville Wright became the first man to fly. But
Talpade's unmanned aircraft flew to a height of 1500
feet before crashing down and the historian Evan
Koshtka, has described Talpade as the 'first creator of
an aircraft'.
As the world observes the one hundredth anniversary of
the first manned flight, it is interesting to consider
the saga of India's 19th century first aircraft inventor
for his design was entirely based on the rich treasury
of India's Vedas. Shivkar Bapuji Talpade was born in
1864 in the locality of Chirabazar at Dukkarwadi in
Bombay.
He was a scholar of Sanskrit and from his young age was
attracted by the Vaimanika Sastra (Aeronautical Science)
expounded by the great Indian sage Maharishi Bhardwaja.
One western scholar of Indology Stephen-Knapp has put in
simple words or rather has tried to explain what Talpade
did and succeeded!
According to Knapp, the Vaimanika Shastra describes in
detail, the construction of what is called, the mercury
vortex engine the forerunner of the ion engines being
made today by NASA. Knapp adds that additional
information on the mercury engines can be found in the
ancient Vedic text called Samaranga Sutradhara. This
text also devotes 230 verses, to the use of these
machines in peace and war. The Indologist William
Clarendon, who has written down a detailed description
of the mercury vortex engine in his translation of
Samaranga Sutradhara quotes thus 'Inside the circular
air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar
mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the
power latent in the heated mercury which sets the
driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may
travel a great distance in a most marvellous manner.
Four strong mercury containers must be built into the
interior structure. When these have been heated by fire
through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft)
develops thunder-power through the mercury.
NASA (National Aeronau-tical and Space Administra-tion)
world's richest/ most powerful scientific organisation
is trying to create an ion engine that is a device that
uses a stream of high velocity electrified particles
instead of a blast of hot gases like in present day
modern jet engines. Surprisingly according to the bi-
monthly Ancient Skies published in USA, the aircraft
engines being developed for future use by NASA by some
strange coincidence also uses mercury bombardment units
powered by Solar cells! Interestingly, the impulse is
generated in seven stages. The mercury propellant is
first vapourised fed into the thruster discharge chamber
ionised converted into plasma by a combination with
electrons broke down electrically and then accelerated
through small openings in a screen to pass out of the
engine at velocities between 1200 to 3000 kilometres per
minute! But so far NASA has been able to produce an
experimental basis only a one pound of thrust by its
scientists a power derivation virtually useless. But 108
years ago Talpade was able to use his knowledge of
Vaimanika Shastra to produce sufficient thrust to lift
his aircraft 1500 feet into the air!
According to Indian scholar Acharya, 'Vaimanika Shastra
deals about aeronautics including the design of aircraft
the way they can be used for transportation and other
applications in detail. The knowledge of aeronautics is
described in Sanskrit in 100 sections, eight chapters,
500 principles and 3000 slokas including 32 techniques
to fly an aircraft. In fact, depending on the
classifications of eras or Yugas in modern Kaliyuga
aircraft used are called Krithakavimana flown by the
power of engines by absorbing solar energies!' It is
feared that only portions of Bharadwaja's masterpiece
Vaimanika Shas-tra survive today.
The question that comes to one's mind is, what happened
to this wonderful encyclopaedia of aeronautical
knowledge accumulated by the Indian savants of yore, and
why was it not used? But in those days, such knowledge
was the preserve of sages, who would not allow it to be
misused, just like the knowledge of atomic bombs is
being used by terrorists today!
According to scholar Ratnakar Mahajan who wrote a
brochure on Talpade. 'Being a Sanskrit scholar
interested in aeronautics, Talpade studied and consulted
a number of Vedic treatises like Brihad Vaimanika
Shastra of Maharishi Bharadwaja Vimanachandrika of
Acharya Narayan Muni Viman yantra of Maharish Shownik
Yantra Kalp by Maharishi Garg Muni Viman Bindu of
Acharya Vachaspati and Vimana Gyanarka Prakashika of
Maharishi Dhundiraj'. This gave him confidence that he
can build an aircraft with mercury engines. One
essential factor in the creation of these Vedic aircraft
was the timing of the Suns Rays or Solar energy (as
being now utilised by NASA) when they were most
effective to activate the mercury ions of the engine.
Happily for Talpade Maharaja Sayaji Rao Gaekwad of
Baroda a great supporter of the Sciences in India, was
willing to help him and Talpade went ahead with his
aircraft construction with mercury engines. One day in
1895 (unfortunately the actual date is not mentioned in
the Kesari newspaper of Pune which covered the event)
before an curious scholarly audience headed by the
famous Indian judge/ nationalist/ Mahadeva Govin-da
Ranade and H H Sayaji Rao Gaekwad Talpade had the good
fortune to see his un manned aircraft named as
'Marutsakthi' take off, fly to a height of 1500 feet and
then fall down to earth.
But this success of an Indian scientist was not liked
by the Imperial rulers. Warned by the British Government
the Maharaja of Baroda stopped helping Talpade. It is
said that the remains of the Marutsakthi were sold to
'foreign parties' by the relatives of Talpade in order
to salvage whatever they can out of their loans to him.
Talpade's wife died at this critical juncture and he was
not in a mental frame to continue with his researches.
But his efforts to make known the greatness of Vedic
Shastras was recognised by Indian scholars, who gave him
the title of Vidya Prakash Pra-deep.
Talpade passed away in 1916 un-honoured, in his own
country.
As the world rightly honours the Wright Brothers for
their achievements, we should think of Talpade, who
utilised the ancient knowledge of Sanskrit texts, to fly
an aircraft, eight years before his foreign counterparts.
More at:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec16/snt2.asp
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Forwarded post:
[ Subject: Re: Ramayan TV series shown in 1989?
[ From: Mirza Ghalib <mghali...@yahoo.com>
[ Date: Thursday, June 28, 2007
On Jun 28, 2:55 pm, Stephen_A <sra97s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:23 am, "M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 27, 7:59 pm, Stephen_A <sra97s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply, This means that the reference in Wikipedia from
> Philip Lutgendorf, 'The Life of a Text: Performing the Ramcharitmanas
> of Tulsidas' is indeed incorrect.
Thanks for the interest.
Seventy-eight episodes of the serial were indeed aired
during 1987-89. This ended in Rama's "Viman" (aircraft)
landing at Ayodhya, his coronation and celebration.
Since the viewers wanted more, Ramanand Sagar added
another 26 or so episodes dealing with the sad sequel to
the Tulsi Ramayana, in which a pregnant Sita is banished
by King Rama. Sita finds shelter in the Ashram of
Valmiki, bears two sons, Luv and Kush. Years roll by, the
two sons grow up to be warriors, who eventually defeat
their illustrious father, unknown to them. When Sita sees
the captured king, she chides the youths and discloses to
them that Rama is their father, who are granted
forgiveness. A repentant Rama begs Sita's forgiveness,
and requests she return to Ayodhya. A proud Sita refused,
and saying that her mission on earth had been fulfilled,
beckoned Prithivi (the Earth), her mother, to accept her
back. The series ends with Sita descending into the
earth, and the grief-stricken Rama and the two princes
left behind mourning her loss.
Hindus found it difficult to watch the last episodes
without a box of cleenex by their side.
This part ( titled Uttara-Kanda) is a part of the Valmiki
Ramayan. The Ramcharitmanas (Tulsidas') ends with the
coronation.
The synopsis of the first 78 can be found at:
http://www.intelindia.com/mahabharat/synopsis_ramayan.htm
End of forwarded post.
Forwarded post:
[ Subject: Re: Ramayan TV series shown in 1989?
[ From: Mirza Ghalib <mghali...@yahoo.com>
[ Date: Thursday, June 28, 2007
On Jun 28, 2:55 pm, Stephen_A <sra97s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:23 am, "M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 27, 7:59 pm, Stephen_A <sra97s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply, This means that the reference in Wikipedia from
> Philip Lutgendorf, 'The Life of a Text: Performing the Ramcharitmanas
> of Tulsidas' is indeed incorrect.
Thanks for the interest.
Seventy-eight episodes of the serial were indeed aired
during 1987-89. This ended in Rama's "Viman" (aircraft)
landing at Ayodhya, his coronation and celebration.
Since the viewers wanted more, Ramanand Sagar added
another 26 or so episodes dealing with the sad sequel to
the Tulsi Ramayana, in which a pregnant Sita is banished
by King Rama. Sita finds shelter in the Ashram of
Valmiki, bears two sons, Luv and Kush. Years roll by, the
two sons grow up to be warriors, who eventually defeat
their illustrious father, unknown to them. When Sita sees
the captured king, she chides the youths and discloses to
them that Rama is their father, who are granted
forgiveness. A repentant Rama begs Sita's forgiveness,
and requests she return to Ayodhya. A proud Sita refused,
and saying that her mission on earth had been fulfilled,
beckoned Prithivi (the Earth), her mother, to accept her
back. The series ends with Sita descending into the
earth, and the grief-stricken Rama and the two princes
left behind mourning her loss.
Hindus found it difficult to watch the last episodes
without a box of cleenex by their side.
This part ( titled Uttara-Kanda) is a part of the Valmiki
Ramayan. The Ramcharitmanas (Tulsidas') ends with the
coronation.
The synopsis of the first 78 can be found at:
http://www.intelindia.com/mahabharat/synopsis_ramayan.htm
End of forwarded post.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 10, 2012, 4:38:53 AM4/10/12
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Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology
telugupeople.com
Article and comments here:
http://www.telugupeople.com/discussion/article.asp?id=2229
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Article and comments here:
http://www.telugupeople.com/discussion/article.asp?id=2229
Arindam Banerjee
Apr 10, 2012, 2:32:46 PM4/10/12
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On 10 apr, 04:18, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai
I felt really sorry for him after I visited his museum day before
yesterday.
A first rate genius, of the order of da Vinci, was pulled down by his
circling second raters to suicide.
Very sad.
Much better it would have been had he continued with his early
idealism, as he showed in his incredible painting "The Potato
Eaters". What a painter he really was!
I think the huge mobs seeing his works think much the same thing. We
were all so moved by his earliest works.
As for me, re quotays:
Maharaj) wrote:
> "Become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem
> to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
> possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
> there." - Norman Vincent Peale
Good advice, wish van Gogh knew about it.
> "Become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem
> to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
> possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
> there." - Norman Vincent Peale
I felt really sorry for him after I visited his museum day before
yesterday.
A first rate genius, of the order of da Vinci, was pulled down by his
circling second raters to suicide.
Very sad.
Much better it would have been had he continued with his early
idealism, as he showed in his incredible painting "The Potato
Eaters". What a painter he really was!
I think the huge mobs seeing his works think much the same thing. We
were all so moved by his earliest works.
As for me, re quotays:
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 10, 2012, 5:51:05 PM4/10/12
to
[ Subject: VAIMANIKA SHASTR
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: March 27, 2000
Forwarded article
Vaimanika-shastr
"...There is one book entitled Vaimanika-shastr that was
dictated in trance during this century and purports to be
a transcription of an ancient work preserved in the
Akashic record."
"The medium in this case was Pandit Subbaraya Sastry, a
'walking lexicon gifted with occult perception', who
began to dictate the Vaimanika-shastr to Mr. Venkatachala
Sarma on August 1, 1918. The complete work was taken down
in 23 exercise books up to August 23, 1923. In 1923,
Subbaraya Sastry also had a draftsman prepare some
drawings of the vimaans according to his instructions." -
Richard L. Thompson, Alien Identities
According to the Vymanika Shastr, purportedly written by
Maharishi Bharadwaja in the 4th Century BC, there are 32
secrets to piloting a vimaan. These include:
"Maantrika: The invoking of mantras which will permit one
to achieve certain spiritual and hypnotic powers so that
he can construct airplanes which cannot be destroyed.
Taantrika: by acquiring some of the Tantric powers, one
may endow his aircraft with those same powers.
Goodha: This secret permits the pilot to make his vimaan
invisible to his enemies. Adrishya accomplishes the same
purpose by attracting 'the force of the ethereal flow in
the sky'.
Paroksha: This helpful hint enables the pilot to paralyze
other vimaans and put them out of action. Aparoksha: One
may employ this ability to project a beam of light in
front of his craft to light his way.
Viroop Karan: With this skill mastered, the pilot can
produce 'the thirty-second kind of smoke', charge it with
'the light of the heat waves in the sky' and transform
his craft into a 'very fierce and terrifying shape'
guaranteed to cause 'utter fright to onlookers'.
Roopaanara can cause the vimaan to assume such shapes as
those of the lion, tiger, rhinoceros, serpent - even a
mountain- to confuse observers.
Suroop: If one can attract the thirteen kinds of 'Karaka
force', one can make the vimaan appear to be 'a heavenly
damsel bedecked with flowers and jewels'.
Pralaya: This deadly secret pushed electrical force
through the 'five-limbed aerial tube' so that the pilot
may 'destroy everything as in a cataclysm'. Vimukna sends
a poison powder through the air to produce 'wholesale
insensibility and coma'.
Taara: This ability, once mastered, provides the pilot
with another means of avoiding contact with an enemy or
hiding his purpose from observers: 'By mixing with
ethereal force 10 parts of air force, 7 parts of water
force, and 16 parts of solar glow, and projecting it by
means of the star-faced mirror through the frontal tube
of the vimaan, the appearance of a star-spangled sky is
created.'
Saarpa-Gaman: This secret enables the pilot to attract
the forces of air, join them with solar ryas, and pass
the mixture through the center of the craft so the vimaan
will 'have a zig-zagging motion like a serpent'.
Roopaakarshana permits the pilot to see inside an enemy's
airplane, while Kriyaagrahana allows one to spy on 'all
the activities going on down below on the ground'. Jalada
roopa instructs the pilot in the correct proportions of
certain chemicals which will envelop the vimaan and give
it the appearance of a cloud."
- Brad Steiger, Worlds Before Our Own
"Aavartaas or aerial whirlpools are innumerable in the
above regions. Of them the whirlpools in the routes of
the vimaans are five. In the Rekhapathha there occurs the
whirlpool of winds. In Kakshya-pathha there occurs
Kiranavarta or whirlpool from solar rays. In Shaktipathha
there occurs Shytyaavarta or whirlpool of cold currents.
And in Kendrapathha there occurs gharshanavartaor
whirlpool by collision. Such whirlpools are destructive
of vimaans, and have to be guarded against.
"The pilot should now these five sources of danger, and
learn to steer clear of them to safety."
- Vymankia Shastr
"In ancient India the writers of knowledge were careful
to observer every form of change, every pattern of flow -
rest- motion and to describe even the smallest of effects
seen, the causes unseen. Often they spoke of matter that
were beyond the five senses, yet in much detail. It seems
their science was one of experience more than
speculation."
- John Walker, "The Vortex Arena" in Anti-Gravity and
the Unified Field
"Since the siddhis [paranormal powers] are natural
principles, it is possible that machines might be
constructed that take advantage of them, and some vimaans
and UFOs might operate on this basis. Thus, laghima-
siddhi could be used to make the craft weightless, and
mano-java could be used to move it through the ether.
Other vehicles might make use of more familiar mechanical
or electromagnetic propulsion methods, or they might
employ a combination of siddhis and more familiar
principles."
- Richard L. Thompson, Alien Identities
According to the "psychic crystallization theory",
thought forms as independent energy entities "might be
the result of mind blending with a psi substratum".
"Samuel Lentine, a physicist at Rensselaer Polytechnical
Institute, has investigated such 'thought forms', and
claims they can be created by mixing psi energies in the
same way you can create certain chemicals by mixing other
chemicals. Lentine, blind since childhood, found during
meditation that such humanly-created entities can
actually exist by themselves for short periods, causing a
whirl of energy about them."
As G. Patrick Flanagan "has speculated, it is an all-
pervasive 'ether' that actually causes the force of
gravity by the pressure it exerts, and forms electricity
and magnetism by flowing in whirls and eddies."
"...The PK effect could be looked upon as mind not
necessarily intermingling with the physical elements of
an object but altering the etheric or organizing forces
that supposedly shape the material world - the idea that
thoughts are actual things imprinted in the clay of the
universe."
- Michael H. Brown, PK
Plasma: a collective of elementary particles devoid of
atoms which exist at normal temperatures in metals and so
forth. Living organisms are an unusual reservoir and
generator of plasma. Almost any plasma generates
inhomogeneity, pinching itself together into dense,
swirling filaments, separated by diffuse voids.
End of forwarded article.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: March 27, 2000
Forwarded article
Vaimanika-shastr
"...There is one book entitled Vaimanika-shastr that was
dictated in trance during this century and purports to be
a transcription of an ancient work preserved in the
Akashic record."
"The medium in this case was Pandit Subbaraya Sastry, a
'walking lexicon gifted with occult perception', who
began to dictate the Vaimanika-shastr to Mr. Venkatachala
Sarma on August 1, 1918. The complete work was taken down
in 23 exercise books up to August 23, 1923. In 1923,
Subbaraya Sastry also had a draftsman prepare some
drawings of the vimaans according to his instructions." -
Richard L. Thompson, Alien Identities
According to the Vymanika Shastr, purportedly written by
Maharishi Bharadwaja in the 4th Century BC, there are 32
secrets to piloting a vimaan. These include:
"Maantrika: The invoking of mantras which will permit one
to achieve certain spiritual and hypnotic powers so that
he can construct airplanes which cannot be destroyed.
Taantrika: by acquiring some of the Tantric powers, one
may endow his aircraft with those same powers.
Goodha: This secret permits the pilot to make his vimaan
invisible to his enemies. Adrishya accomplishes the same
purpose by attracting 'the force of the ethereal flow in
the sky'.
Paroksha: This helpful hint enables the pilot to paralyze
other vimaans and put them out of action. Aparoksha: One
may employ this ability to project a beam of light in
front of his craft to light his way.
Viroop Karan: With this skill mastered, the pilot can
produce 'the thirty-second kind of smoke', charge it with
'the light of the heat waves in the sky' and transform
his craft into a 'very fierce and terrifying shape'
guaranteed to cause 'utter fright to onlookers'.
Roopaanara can cause the vimaan to assume such shapes as
those of the lion, tiger, rhinoceros, serpent - even a
mountain- to confuse observers.
Suroop: If one can attract the thirteen kinds of 'Karaka
force', one can make the vimaan appear to be 'a heavenly
damsel bedecked with flowers and jewels'.
Pralaya: This deadly secret pushed electrical force
through the 'five-limbed aerial tube' so that the pilot
may 'destroy everything as in a cataclysm'. Vimukna sends
a poison powder through the air to produce 'wholesale
insensibility and coma'.
Taara: This ability, once mastered, provides the pilot
with another means of avoiding contact with an enemy or
hiding his purpose from observers: 'By mixing with
ethereal force 10 parts of air force, 7 parts of water
force, and 16 parts of solar glow, and projecting it by
means of the star-faced mirror through the frontal tube
of the vimaan, the appearance of a star-spangled sky is
created.'
Saarpa-Gaman: This secret enables the pilot to attract
the forces of air, join them with solar ryas, and pass
the mixture through the center of the craft so the vimaan
will 'have a zig-zagging motion like a serpent'.
Roopaakarshana permits the pilot to see inside an enemy's
airplane, while Kriyaagrahana allows one to spy on 'all
the activities going on down below on the ground'. Jalada
roopa instructs the pilot in the correct proportions of
certain chemicals which will envelop the vimaan and give
it the appearance of a cloud."
- Brad Steiger, Worlds Before Our Own
"Aavartaas or aerial whirlpools are innumerable in the
above regions. Of them the whirlpools in the routes of
the vimaans are five. In the Rekhapathha there occurs the
whirlpool of winds. In Kakshya-pathha there occurs
Kiranavarta or whirlpool from solar rays. In Shaktipathha
there occurs Shytyaavarta or whirlpool of cold currents.
And in Kendrapathha there occurs gharshanavartaor
whirlpool by collision. Such whirlpools are destructive
of vimaans, and have to be guarded against.
"The pilot should now these five sources of danger, and
learn to steer clear of them to safety."
- Vymankia Shastr
"In ancient India the writers of knowledge were careful
to observer every form of change, every pattern of flow -
rest- motion and to describe even the smallest of effects
seen, the causes unseen. Often they spoke of matter that
were beyond the five senses, yet in much detail. It seems
their science was one of experience more than
speculation."
- John Walker, "The Vortex Arena" in Anti-Gravity and
the Unified Field
"Since the siddhis [paranormal powers] are natural
principles, it is possible that machines might be
constructed that take advantage of them, and some vimaans
and UFOs might operate on this basis. Thus, laghima-
siddhi could be used to make the craft weightless, and
mano-java could be used to move it through the ether.
Other vehicles might make use of more familiar mechanical
or electromagnetic propulsion methods, or they might
employ a combination of siddhis and more familiar
principles."
- Richard L. Thompson, Alien Identities
According to the "psychic crystallization theory",
thought forms as independent energy entities "might be
the result of mind blending with a psi substratum".
"Samuel Lentine, a physicist at Rensselaer Polytechnical
Institute, has investigated such 'thought forms', and
claims they can be created by mixing psi energies in the
same way you can create certain chemicals by mixing other
chemicals. Lentine, blind since childhood, found during
meditation that such humanly-created entities can
actually exist by themselves for short periods, causing a
whirl of energy about them."
As G. Patrick Flanagan "has speculated, it is an all-
pervasive 'ether' that actually causes the force of
gravity by the pressure it exerts, and forms electricity
and magnetism by flowing in whirls and eddies."
"...The PK effect could be looked upon as mind not
necessarily intermingling with the physical elements of
an object but altering the etheric or organizing forces
that supposedly shape the material world - the idea that
thoughts are actual things imprinted in the clay of the
universe."
- Michael H. Brown, PK
Plasma: a collective of elementary particles devoid of
atoms which exist at normal temperatures in metals and so
forth. Living organisms are an unusual reservoir and
generator of plasma. Almost any plasma generates
inhomogeneity, pinching itself together into dense,
swirling filaments, separated by diffuse voids.
End of forwarded article.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
o o o
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
"Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri)
<KalluM...@gmail.com> tries his best to be a bully --
telling others what and when to post, where to post and
where not to post, deliberately publishing lies about
others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but
fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"
<us...@this.com>, and issues *death threats* to people),
is priming himself for conditions such as stroke and
heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <jos...@gmail.com> who
displays unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and
the instigator who posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse
through eternal-september.org and by writing someone
else's name or handle in the "From:" header -- their
favorite now is "fana...@gmail.com" (note the extra "b"
and "gmail.com") to make it appear as if the posts are
from "fan...@aol.com", who has been a regular poster for
many years. -Updated on February 2, 2012-
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
"Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri)
<KalluM...@gmail.com> tries his best to be a bully --
telling others what and when to post, where to post and
where not to post, deliberately publishing lies about
others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but
fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"
<us...@this.com>, and issues *death threats* to people),
is priming himself for conditions such as stroke and
heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <jos...@gmail.com> who
displays unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and
the instigator who posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse
through eternal-september.org and by writing someone
else's name or handle in the "From:" header -- their
favorite now is "fana...@gmail.com" (note the extra "b"
and "gmail.com") to make it appear as if the posts are
from "fan...@aol.com", who has been a regular poster for
many years. -Updated on February 2, 2012-
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 10, 2012, 9:46:22 PM4/10/12
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"It's hard to have original ideas when you are surrounded
by people who all have the same experiences as you"
- Jonathan Harris, Cowbird
http://hottubcrimemachine.com/2012/04/09/inspirational-quotes-from-psfk-2012/
by people who all have the same experiences as you"
- Jonathan Harris, Cowbird
http://hottubcrimemachine.com/2012/04/09/inspirational-quotes-from-psfk-2012/
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 11, 2012, 1:52:10 PM4/11/12
to
In article <1d8010d9-9cc2-4f24...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
Leonardo da Vinci excelled in one more area:
"I shall not make my body a tomb for other animals."
- Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), Italian polymath,
renaissance luminary, a vegetarian.
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > "Become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem
> > to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
> > possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
> > there." - Norman Vincent Peale
>
>
> Good advice, wish van Gogh knew about it.
> I felt really sorry for him after I visited his museum day before
> yesterday.
> A first rate genius, of the order of da Vinci, was pulled down by his
> circling second raters to suicide.
> Very sad.
> Much better it would have been had he continued with his early
> idealism, as he showed in his incredible painting "The Potato
> Eaters". What a painter he really was!
> I think the huge mobs seeing his works think much the same thing. We
> were all so moved by his earliest works.
> As for me, re quotays:
> [Missing text?]
> > "Become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem
> > to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
> > possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
> > there." - Norman Vincent Peale
>
>
> Good advice, wish van Gogh knew about it.
> I felt really sorry for him after I visited his museum day before
> yesterday.
> A first rate genius, of the order of da Vinci, was pulled down by his
> circling second raters to suicide.
> Very sad.
> Much better it would have been had he continued with his early
> idealism, as he showed in his incredible painting "The Potato
> Eaters". What a painter he really was!
> I think the huge mobs seeing his works think much the same thing. We
> were all so moved by his earliest works.
> As for me, re quotays:
Leonardo da Vinci excelled in one more area:
"I shall not make my body a tomb for other animals."
- Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), Italian polymath,
renaissance luminary, a vegetarian.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 13, 2012, 5:08:09 PM4/13/12
to
World's First Quantum Network Built with Two Atoms, One Photon
Techland
Time
Thursday, April 12, 2012
http://techland.time.com/2012/04/12/worlds-first-quantum-network-built-with-two-atoms-one-photon/
Techland
Time
Thursday, April 12, 2012
http://techland.time.com/2012/04/12/worlds-first-quantum-network-built-with-two-atoms-one-photon/
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 14, 2012, 4:29:58 AM4/14/12
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Ideabird 4/11/12
The trip to the Kuiper belt was audacious. Using a comet
on its way out, they spread a miles-wide net to catch it,
with thousands of kilometers of carbon-fiber/spider-silk
line spooled behind it. To keep from being shredded when
the comet hit, the line was connected to dynamoes, and
when the line unspooled it would power the batteries, AND
make the impact more manageable. But some nitwit American
was (still) using feet instead of meters in the
calculations, and the drag shifted the comet just enough
that they were put on a collision-course with Jupiter.
The trip to the Kuiper belt was audacious. Using a comet
on its way out, they spread a miles-wide net to catch it,
with thousands of kilometers of carbon-fiber/spider-silk
line spooled behind it. To keep from being shredded when
the comet hit, the line was connected to dynamoes, and
when the line unspooled it would power the batteries, AND
make the impact more manageable. But some nitwit American
was (still) using feet instead of meters in the
calculations, and the drag shifted the comet just enough
that they were put on a collision-course with Jupiter.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Om Shanti
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 14, 2012, 7:59:31 PM4/14/12
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ideabird 2/6/12
We discover the first few alien planets, and are shocked
to find that like the original Star Trek, each society is
human. Not just that, each planet had dinosaurs, comet
crashes, and evolution from shrews to primates to humans.
We all share human DNA with traces of neanderthal. This
revives the idea that maybe we ARE created in God’s
image.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/tagged/science-fiction
We discover the first few alien planets, and are shocked
to find that like the original Star Trek, each society is
human. Not just that, each planet had dinosaurs, comet
crashes, and evolution from shrews to primates to humans.
We all share human DNA with traces of neanderthal. This
revives the idea that maybe we ARE created in God’s
image.
Many more at:
http://theideabird.tumblr.com/tagged/science-fiction
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 14, 2012, 8:00:25 PM4/14/12
to
ideabird 2/22/12
Alex, an African Gray Parrot, showed not only self-
awaremess, but the ability to speak rationally, and
perform more math than a chimp. In the wild they have
their own society and pre-language. If we encountered
them on another planet we would treat these birds as
alien intelligences. On Earth they are just part of our
spectrum. Do we have an obligation to proselytize parrots
with our society, our language, our religion?
Alex, an African Gray Parrot, showed not only self-
awaremess, but the ability to speak rationally, and
perform more math than a chimp. In the wild they have
their own society and pre-language. If we encountered
them on another planet we would treat these birds as
alien intelligences. On Earth they are just part of our
spectrum. Do we have an obligation to proselytize parrots
with our society, our language, our religion?
Arindam Banerjee
Apr 14, 2012, 10:18:58 PM4/14/12
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On Apr 7, 4:14 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <699be58e-222a-4faa-bce4-d02ce48bb...@f5g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >> In article <4247aee8-6e96-4845-8fac-74cbf2758...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.=
> > com>,
> >> =A0Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> posted:
>
> >>> Dr. Jai Maharaj POSTED:
>
> >>>> In article <769b2a2a-e8df-4c88-a23f-0c7b65a60...@lf20g2000pbb.googleg=
> > roups.com>,
> >>>> Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.com> posted:
>
> >>>>> On Mar 28, 1:55=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 28, 2:17=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.=
> > com> w=3D
> >>> rote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:04=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:58=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanom=
> > ail.co=3D
> >>> m> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the va=
> > lues=3D
> >>> =A0that a
> >>>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the experiment validates=
> > the
> >>>>>>>>> theory. =3D3DA0No amount of 'interpretation' changes that b=
> > asic f=3D
> >>> act.
>
> >>>>>>>> Not so!
>
> >>>>>>>>> A null result is measured in the MMX. SR predicts a null re=
> > sult=3D
> >>> =A0for
> >>>>>>>>> MMX.
>
> >>>>>>>> Irrelevant because the ballistic emiisionn theory (BaTh) also=
> > pre=3D
> >>> dicts
> >>>>>>>> the null result. The =3D3DA0null result is consistent with bo=
> > th the=3D
> >>> =A0BaTh and
> >>>>>>>> SR, it proves neither.
> >>>>>>>>Zinnic
>
> >>>>>>> It appears that you don't understand the concept of validation.
> >>>>>>> Validation is not proof. =3D3DA0You can never prove a physical =
> > theory
> >>>>>>> because that would require testing it under all possible circum=
> > stan=3D
> >>> ces
> >>>>>>> to an infinite degree of precision. =3D3DA0We can only test a f=
> > inite =3D
> >>> number
> >>>>>>> of cases, and only to a finite precision.
> >>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the values=
> > tha=3D
> >>> t a
> >>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the theory has been validate=
> > d by
> >>>>>>> the experiment. =3D3DA0Depending upon the particulars, the vali=
> > dation=3D
> >>> =A0may be
> >>>>>>> weak or strong, but it is never a proof. =3D3DA0If multiple the=
> > ories
> >>>>>>> accurately predict the same result for a particular experiment,=
> > tha=3D
> >>> t
> >>>>>>> experiment validates all of those theories. =3D3DA0That doesn't=
> > mean =3D
> >>> that
> >>>>>>> any of them is always correct. =3D3DA0When competing theories p=
> > redict
> >>>>>>> different values in a particular circumstance, then an appropri=
> > ate
> >>>>>>> experiment will falsify those that predict incorrectly, and val=
> > idat=3D
> >>> e
> >>>>>>> those that predict correctly. =3D3DA0In general, a theory must =
> > be hig=3D
> >>> hly
> >>>>>>> validated (i.e. many different measurements under many circumst=
> > ance=3D
> >>> s)
> >>>>>>> in order to be accepted as useful. =3D3DA0And of course theorie=
> > s that=3D
> >>> =A0are
> >>>>>>> falsified by experiment are to be discarded.
> >>>>>>> Note also that only repeatable vetted experiments are considere=
> > d
> >>>>>>> meaningful.
>
> >>>>>>> Paul Cardinale
>
> >>>>>> Fair enough. I stand corrected in that I agree that there cannot =
> > be
> >>>>>> absolute proof. However, if two different theories correctly pred=
> > icte=3D
> >>> d
> >>>>>> the same experimental result, I would not claim =3D3DA0that resul=
> > t vali=3D
> >>> dates
> >>>>>> either though I would concede that it invalidates neither.
> >>>>>>Zinnic- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>>> The semantics can be a bit messy. =3DA0A theory that is validated b=
> > y an
> >>>>> experiment can still be an invalid theory.
> >>>>> If 100 experiments validate a theory (i.e. the measurements agree w=
> > ith
> >>>>> the predictions), and one experiment falsifies the theory, then the
> >>>>> theory is invalid; but those 100 validations still stand (of course
> >>>>> they don't mean much in light of an invalidation by another
> >>>>> experiment.)
>
> >>>>> Note also that all of this assumes a fixed domain of applicability.
> >>>>> You could have a theory that was thought to be generally applicable=
> > ,
> >>>>> but then an experiment shows a case where it doesn't work. =3DA0Tha=
> > t
> >>>>> experiment would falsify it general, but the theory could still be
> >>>>> valid (and useful), in a limited domain of applicability.
>
> >>>>> Paul Cardinale
>
> >>>> A theory may appear to be invalid within a frame but be
> >>>> demonstrably valid in a smaller, larger or different
> >>>> frame. In my use of "frame" I am including all known and
> >>>> yet-to-be-known dimensions, including that of time.
> >>> of any theory in "yet-to-be-known dimensions".
>
> >> "A theory may appear to be invalid..." is not necessarily
> >> a pronouncement of its validity. Note the words "may" and
> >> "necessarily".
> > Hope all is going fine with your script!
> > We are having a fantastic time in Paris. Saw Monet's garden and house
> > in Giverney, took a walking tour and this morning visited the
> > catacombs and Rodin's musuem. Now we will have dinner at the Eiffel
> > tower restaurant, Seine cruise and Moulin Rouge...
> > Life is a dream here, everything is so efficient and lovely. Amazing!
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> My screenwriting initiation is indirectly related to
> Moulin Rouge.
Toulouse-Lautrec was directly related. Showed one way to make money,
by promoting showbiz.
> Where do you go from France?
I have returned this morning, after visiting Amsterdam and
surroundings (Delft, The Hague, Marodam, Vandamen,
Marken and Keukenhof); then to Dusseldorf and Koln (the cathedral
there is a wonder to behold) in Germany.
Flew back to Paris from Dusseldorf, and spent a day in Shanghai
(mostly sleeping I am afraid, but we did eat
good dim sums and bought pottery and other stuff at the airport). It
was a truly fantastic experience, we were very
lucky with the food, the weather, the travel and the hotels - and my
aunt's hospitality in Germany was simply
unbelievable!
Also managed to see a Hindi movie on the flight, AB & HM in "Buddah
hoga tera baap".
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <699be58e-222a-4faa-bce4-d02ce48bb...@f5g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >> In article <4247aee8-6e96-4845-8fac-74cbf2758...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.=
> > com>,
> >> =A0Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> posted:
>
> >>> Dr. Jai Maharaj POSTED:
>
> >>>> In article <769b2a2a-e8df-4c88-a23f-0c7b65a60...@lf20g2000pbb.googleg=
> > roups.com>,
> >>>> Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.com> posted:
>
> >>>>> On Mar 28, 1:55=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 28, 2:17=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail.=
> > com> w=3D
> >>> rote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:04=3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:58=3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanom=
> > ail.co=3D
> >>> m> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the va=
> > lues=3D
> >>> =A0that a
> >>>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the experiment validates=
> > the
> >>>>>>>>> theory. =3D3DA0No amount of 'interpretation' changes that b=
> > asic f=3D
> >>> act.
>
> >>>>>>>> Not so!
>
> >>>>>>>>> A null result is measured in the MMX. SR predicts a null re=
> > sult=3D
> >>> =A0for
> >>>>>>>>> MMX.
>
> >>>>>>>> Irrelevant because the ballistic emiisionn theory (BaTh) also=
> > pre=3D
> >>> dicts
> >>>>>>>> the null result. The =3D3DA0null result is consistent with bo=
> > th the=3D
> >>> =A0BaTh and
> >>>>>>>> SR, it proves neither.
> >>>>>>>>Zinnic
>
> >>>>>>> It appears that you don't understand the concept of validation.
> >>>>>>> Validation is not proof. =3D3DA0You can never prove a physical =
> > theory
> >>>>>>> because that would require testing it under all possible circum=
> > stan=3D
> >>> ces
> >>>>>>> to an infinite degree of precision. =3D3DA0We can only test a f=
> > inite =3D
> >>> number
> >>>>>>> of cases, and only to a finite precision.
> >>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the values=
> > tha=3D
> >>> t a
> >>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the theory has been validate=
> > d by
> >>>>>>> the experiment. =3D3DA0Depending upon the particulars, the vali=
> > dation=3D
> >>> =A0may be
> >>>>>>> weak or strong, but it is never a proof. =3D3DA0If multiple the=
> > ories
> >>>>>>> accurately predict the same result for a particular experiment,=
> > tha=3D
> >>> t
> >>>>>>> experiment validates all of those theories. =3D3DA0That doesn't=
> > mean =3D
> >>> that
> >>>>>>> any of them is always correct. =3D3DA0When competing theories p=
> > redict
> >>>>>>> different values in a particular circumstance, then an appropri=
> > ate
> >>>>>>> experiment will falsify those that predict incorrectly, and val=
> > idat=3D
> >>> e
> >>>>>>> those that predict correctly. =3D3DA0In general, a theory must =
> > be hig=3D
> >>> hly
> >>>>>>> validated (i.e. many different measurements under many circumst=
> > ance=3D
> >>> s)
> >>>>>>> in order to be accepted as useful. =3D3DA0And of course theorie=
> > s that=3D
> >>> =A0are
> >>>>>>> falsified by experiment are to be discarded.
> >>>>>>> Note also that only repeatable vetted experiments are considere=
> > d
> >>>>>>> meaningful.
>
> >>>>>>> Paul Cardinale
>
> >>>>>> Fair enough. I stand corrected in that I agree that there cannot =
> > be
> >>>>>> absolute proof. However, if two different theories correctly pred=
> > icte=3D
> >>> d
> >>>>>> the same experimental result, I would not claim =3D3DA0that resul=
> > t vali=3D
> >>> dates
> >>>>>> either though I would concede that it invalidates neither.
> >>>>>>Zinnic- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>>> The semantics can be a bit messy. =3DA0A theory that is validated b=
> > y an
> >>>>> experiment can still be an invalid theory.
> >>>>> If 100 experiments validate a theory (i.e. the measurements agree w=
> > ith
> >>>>> the predictions), and one experiment falsifies the theory, then the
> >>>>> theory is invalid; but those 100 validations still stand (of course
> >>>>> they don't mean much in light of an invalidation by another
> >>>>> experiment.)
>
> >>>>> Note also that all of this assumes a fixed domain of applicability.
> >>>>> You could have a theory that was thought to be generally applicable=
> > ,
> >>>>> but then an experiment shows a case where it doesn't work. =3DA0Tha=
> > t
> >>>>> experiment would falsify it general, but the theory could still be
> >>>>> valid (and useful), in a limited domain of applicability.
>
> >>>>> Paul Cardinale
>
> >>>> A theory may appear to be invalid within a frame but be
> >>>> demonstrably valid in a smaller, larger or different
> >>>> frame. In my use of "frame" I am including all known and
> >>>> yet-to-be-known dimensions, including that of time.
>
> >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>> Om Shanti
>
> >>> You need to explain how you are qualified to pronounce on the validity
> >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>> Om Shanti
>
> >>> of any theory in "yet-to-be-known dimensions".
>
> >> "A theory may appear to be invalid..." is not necessarily
> >> a pronouncement of its validity. Note the words "may" and
> >> "necessarily".
>
> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> Om Shanti
>
> > Hello Jai,
> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> Om Shanti
>
> > Hope all is going fine with your script!
> > We are having a fantastic time in Paris. Saw Monet's garden and house
> > in Giverney, took a walking tour and this morning visited the
> > catacombs and Rodin's musuem. Now we will have dinner at the Eiffel
> > tower restaurant, Seine cruise and Moulin Rouge...
> > Life is a dream here, everything is so efficient and lovely. Amazing!
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> My screenwriting initiation is indirectly related to
> Moulin Rouge.
Toulouse-Lautrec was directly related. Showed one way to make money,
by promoting showbiz.
> Where do you go from France?
I have returned this morning, after visiting Amsterdam and
surroundings (Delft, The Hague, Marodam, Vandamen,
Marken and Keukenhof); then to Dusseldorf and Koln (the cathedral
there is a wonder to behold) in Germany.
Flew back to Paris from Dusseldorf, and spent a day in Shanghai
(mostly sleeping I am afraid, but we did eat
good dim sums and bought pottery and other stuff at the airport). It
was a truly fantastic experience, we were very
lucky with the food, the weather, the travel and the hotels - and my
aunt's hospitality in Germany was simply
unbelievable!
Also managed to see a Hindi movie on the flight, AB & HM in "Buddah
hoga tera baap".
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Arindam Banerjee
Apr 14, 2012, 10:38:54 PM4/14/12
to
On 12 Apr, 03:52, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai
Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <1d8010d9-9cc2-4f24-a456-92c8e5f0f...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
span in the interent cafe in the Dam at Amsterdam. Continuing:
To quote myself, some of my worst but pungent lines go thusly:
"So I said, fuck 'em, fuck 'em all.
With those jerks I'll not play ball."
That's the way to treat the envious second raters and worse (ill-
learned phuds, quotays, cowards, etc.), but one needs to be confident
of oneself and support from the woman helps greatly.
Sadly, van Gogh was lacking in both areas.
Had he gone the way he began, he would have been a super-Picasso.
Here too I am referring to the early Picasso.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <1d8010d9-9cc2-4f24-a456-92c8e5f0f...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > > "Become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem
> > > to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
> > > possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
> > > there." - Norman Vincent Peale
>
> > Good advice, wish van Gogh knew about it.
> > I felt really sorry for him after I visited his museum day before
> > yesterday.
> > A first rate genius, of the order of da Vinci, was pulled down by his
> > circling second raters to suicide.
> > Very sad.
> > Much better it would have been had he continued with his early
> > idealism, as he showed in his incredible painting "The Potato
> > Eaters". What a painter he really was!
> > I think the huge mobs seeing his works think much the same thing. We
> > were all so moved by his earliest works.
> > As for me, re quotays:
> > [Missing text?]
Shortage of time then, we were running out of time in the one-hour
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > > "Become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem
> > > to be or actually are, raise your sights and see
> > > possibilities -- always see them, for they're always
> > > there." - Norman Vincent Peale
>
> > Good advice, wish van Gogh knew about it.
> > I felt really sorry for him after I visited his museum day before
> > yesterday.
> > A first rate genius, of the order of da Vinci, was pulled down by his
> > circling second raters to suicide.
> > Very sad.
> > Much better it would have been had he continued with his early
> > idealism, as he showed in his incredible painting "The Potato
> > Eaters". What a painter he really was!
> > I think the huge mobs seeing his works think much the same thing. We
> > were all so moved by his earliest works.
> > As for me, re quotays:
> > [Missing text?]
span in the interent cafe in the Dam at Amsterdam. Continuing:
To quote myself, some of my worst but pungent lines go thusly:
"So I said, fuck 'em, fuck 'em all.
With those jerks I'll not play ball."
That's the way to treat the envious second raters and worse (ill-
learned phuds, quotays, cowards, etc.), but one needs to be confident
of oneself and support from the woman helps greatly.
Sadly, van Gogh was lacking in both areas.
Had he gone the way he began, he would have been a super-Picasso.
Here too I am referring to the early Picasso.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Apr 14, 2012, 10:57:23 PM4/14/12
to
In article <6925f78f-bf00-4416...@a8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <699be58e-222a-4faa-bce4-d02ce48bb...@f5g2000vby.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > >> In article <4247aee8-6e96-4845-8fac-74cbf2758...@h9g2000yqe.googlegrou=
> ps.=3D
> > > com>,
> > >> =3DA0Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > >>> Dr. Jai Maharaj POSTED:
> >
> > >>>> In article <769b2a2a-e8df-4c88-a23f-0c7b65a60...@lf20g2000pbb.google=
> g=3D
> > >>>>> On Mar 28, 1:55=3D3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Mar 28, 2:17=3D3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail=
> ..=3D
> > > com> w=3D3D
> > >>> rote:
> >
> > >>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:04=3D3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:58=3D3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanom=
> =3D
> > > ail.co=3D3D
> > >>> m> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the va=3D
> > > lues=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0that a
> > >>>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the experiment validates=3D
> > > =A0the
> > >>>>>>>>> theory. =3D3D3DA0No amount of 'interpretation' changes that b=
> =3D
> > > asic f=3D3D
> > >>> act.
> >
> > >>>>>>>> Not so!
> >
> > >>>>>>>>> A null result is measured in the MMX. SR predicts a null re=3D
> > > sult=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0for
> > >>>>>>>>> MMX.
> >
> > >>>>>>>> Irrelevant because the ballistic emiisionn theory (BaTh) also=3D
> > > =A0pre=3D3D
> > >>> dicts
> > >>>>>>>> the null result. The =3D3D3DA0null result is consistent with bo=
> =3D
> > > th the=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0BaTh and
> =3D
> > > stan=3D3D
> > >>> ces
> > >>>>>>> to an infinite degree of precision. =3D3D3DA0We can only test a f=
> =3D
> > > inite =3D3D
> > > =A0tha=3D3D
> > > d by
> > >>>>>>> the experiment. =3D3D3DA0Depending upon the particulars, the vali=
> =3D
> > > dation=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0may be
> > >>>>>>> weak or strong, but it is never a proof. =3D3D3DA0If multiple the=
> =3D
> > > =A0tha=3D3D
> > >>> t
> > >>>>>>> experiment validates all of those theories. =3D3D3DA0That doesn't=
> =3D
> > > =A0mean =3D3D
> > >>> that
> > >>>>>>> any of them is always correct. =3D3D3DA0When competing theories p=
> =3D
> > > idat=3D3D
> > >>> e
> > >>>>>>> those that predict correctly. =3D3D3DA0In general, a theory must =
> =3D
> > > be hig=3D3D
> > > ance=3D3D
> > >>> s)
> > >>>>>>> in order to be accepted as useful. =3D3D3DA0And of course theorie=
> =3D
> > > s that=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0are
> > > icte=3D3D
> > >>> d
> > >>>>>> the same experimental result, I would not claim =3D3D3DA0that resu=
> l=3D
> > > t vali=3D3D
> b=3D
> > > ,
> > >>>>> but then an experiment shows a case where it doesn't work. =3D3DA0T=
> ha=3D
> > Where do you go from France?
>
> I have returned this morning, after visiting Amsterdam and
> surroundings (Delft, The Hague, Marodam, Vandamen,
> Marken and Keukenhof); then to Dusseldorf and Koln (the cathedral
> there is a wonder to behold) in Germany.
> Flew back to Paris from Dusseldorf, and spent a day in Shanghai
> (mostly sleeping I am afraid, but we did eat
> good dim sums and bought pottery and other stuff at the airport). It
> was a truly fantastic experience, we were very
> lucky with the food, the weather, the travel and the hotels - and my
> aunt's hospitality in Germany was simply
> unbelievable!
> Also managed to see a Hindi movie on the flight, AB & HM in "Buddah
> hoga tera baap".
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
An Eiffel Tower effect:
http://i.imgur.com/QJh5X.jpg
What's next for you, South America?
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <699be58e-222a-4faa-bce4-d02ce48bb...@f5g2000vby.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > >> In article <4247aee8-6e96-4845-8fac-74cbf2758...@h9g2000yqe.googlegrou=
> ps.=3D
> > > com>,
> > >> =3DA0Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > >>> Dr. Jai Maharaj POSTED:
> >
> > >>>> In article <769b2a2a-e8df-4c88-a23f-0c7b65a60...@lf20g2000pbb.google=
> g=3D
> > >>>>> On Mar 28, 1:55=3D3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Mar 28, 2:17=3D3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanomail=
> ..=3D
> > > com> w=3D3D
> > >>> rote:
> >
> > >>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:04=3D3D3DA0pm,Zinnic<zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 1:58=3D3D3DA0pm, Paul Cardinale <pcardin...@volcanom=
> =3D
> > > ail.co=3D3D
> > >>> m> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the va=3D
> > > lues=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0that a
> > >>>>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the experiment validates=3D
> > > =A0the
> > >>>>>>>>> theory. =3D3D3DA0No amount of 'interpretation' changes that b=
> =3D
> > > asic f=3D3D
> > >>> act.
> >
> > >>>>>>>> Not so!
> >
> > >>>>>>>>> A null result is measured in the MMX. SR predicts a null re=3D
> > > sult=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0for
> > >>>>>>>>> MMX.
> >
> > >>>>>>>> Irrelevant because the ballistic emiisionn theory (BaTh) also=3D
> > > =A0pre=3D3D
> > >>> dicts
> > >>>>>>>> the null result. The =3D3D3DA0null result is consistent with bo=
> =3D
> > > th the=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0BaTh and
> > >>>>>>>> SR, it proves neither.
> > >>>>>>>>Zinnic
> >
> > >>>>>>> It appears that you don't understand the concept of validation.
> > >>>>>>> Validation is not proof. =3D3D3DA0You can never prove a physical =
> > >>>>>>>>Zinnic
> >
> > >>>>>>> It appears that you don't understand the concept of validation.
> =3D
> > > theory
> > >>>>>>> because that would require testing it under all possible circum=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> because that would require testing it under all possible circum=
> > > stan=3D3D
> > >>> ces
> > >>>>>>> to an infinite degree of precision. =3D3D3DA0We can only test a f=
> =3D
> > > inite =3D3D
> > >>> number
> > >>>>>>> of cases, and only to a finite precision.
> > >>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the values=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> of cases, and only to a finite precision.
> > >>>>>>> When the values measured in an experiment agree with the values=
> > > =A0tha=3D3D
> > >>> t a
> > >>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the theory has been validate=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> theory says will be measured, then the theory has been validate=
> > > d by
> > >>>>>>> the experiment. =3D3D3DA0Depending upon the particulars, the vali=
> =3D
> > > dation=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0may be
> > >>>>>>> weak or strong, but it is never a proof. =3D3D3DA0If multiple the=
> =3D
> > > ories
> > >>>>>>> accurately predict the same result for a particular experiment,=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> accurately predict the same result for a particular experiment,=
> > > =A0tha=3D3D
> > >>> t
> > >>>>>>> experiment validates all of those theories. =3D3D3DA0That doesn't=
> =3D
> > > =A0mean =3D3D
> > >>> that
> > >>>>>>> any of them is always correct. =3D3D3DA0When competing theories p=
> =3D
> > > redict
> > >>>>>>> different values in a particular circumstance, then an appropri=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> different values in a particular circumstance, then an appropri=
> > > ate
> > >>>>>>> experiment will falsify those that predict incorrectly, and val=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> experiment will falsify those that predict incorrectly, and val=
> > > idat=3D3D
> > >>> e
> > >>>>>>> those that predict correctly. =3D3D3DA0In general, a theory must =
> =3D
> > > be hig=3D3D
> > >>> hly
> > >>>>>>> validated (i.e. many different measurements under many circumst=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> validated (i.e. many different measurements under many circumst=
> > > ance=3D3D
> > >>> s)
> > >>>>>>> in order to be accepted as useful. =3D3D3DA0And of course theorie=
> =3D
> > > s that=3D3D
> > >>> =3DA0are
> > >>>>>>> falsified by experiment are to be discarded.
> > >>>>>>> Note also that only repeatable vetted experiments are considere=
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> Note also that only repeatable vetted experiments are considere=
> > > d
> > >>>>>>> meaningful.
> >
> > >>>>>>> Paul Cardinale
> >
> > >>>>>> Fair enough. I stand corrected in that I agree that there cannot =
> =3D
> > >>>>>>> meaningful.
> >
> > >>>>>>> Paul Cardinale
> >
> > >>>>>> Fair enough. I stand corrected in that I agree that there cannot =
> > > be
> > >>>>>> absolute proof. However, if two different theories correctly pred=
> =3D
> > >>>>>> absolute proof. However, if two different theories correctly pred=
> > > icte=3D3D
> > >>> d
> > >>>>>> the same experimental result, I would not claim =3D3D3DA0that resu=
> l=3D
> > > t vali=3D3D
> > >>> dates
> > >>>>>> either though I would concede that it invalidates neither.
> > >>>>>>Zinnic- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >
> > >>>>> The semantics can be a bit messy. =3D3DA0A theory that is validated=
> > >>>>>> either though I would concede that it invalidates neither.
> > >>>>>>Zinnic- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >
> b=3D
> > > y an
> > >>>>> experiment can still be an invalid theory.
> > >>>>> If 100 experiments validate a theory (i.e. the measurements agree w=
> =3D
> > >>>>> experiment can still be an invalid theory.
> > >>>>> If 100 experiments validate a theory (i.e. the measurements agree w=
> > > ith
> > >>>>> the predictions), and one experiment falsifies the theory, then the
> > >>>>> theory is invalid; but those 100 validations still stand (of course
> > >>>>> they don't mean much in light of an invalidation by another
> > >>>>> experiment.)
> >
> > >>>>> Note also that all of this assumes a fixed domain of applicability.
> > >>>>> You could have a theory that was thought to be generally applicable=
> =3D
> > >>>>> the predictions), and one experiment falsifies the theory, then the
> > >>>>> theory is invalid; but those 100 validations still stand (of course
> > >>>>> they don't mean much in light of an invalidation by another
> > >>>>> experiment.)
> >
> > >>>>> Note also that all of this assumes a fixed domain of applicability.
> > >>>>> You could have a theory that was thought to be generally applicable=
> > > ,
> > >>>>> but then an experiment shows a case where it doesn't work. =3D3DA0T=
> ha=3D
> > > t
> > >>>>> experiment would falsify it general, but the theory could still be
> > >>>>> valid (and useful), in a limited domain of applicability.
> >
> > >>>>> Paul Cardinale
> >
> > >>>> A theory may appear to be invalid within a frame but be
> > >>>> demonstrably valid in a smaller, larger or different
> > >>>> frame. In my use of "frame" I am including all known and
> > >>>> yet-to-be-known dimensions, including that of time.
> >
> > >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >>>> Om Shanti
> >
> > >>> You need to explain how you are qualified to pronounce on the validit=
> > >>>>> experiment would falsify it general, but the theory could still be
> > >>>>> valid (and useful), in a limited domain of applicability.
> >
> > >>>>> Paul Cardinale
> >
> > >>>> A theory may appear to be invalid within a frame but be
> > >>>> demonstrably valid in a smaller, larger or different
> > >>>> frame. In my use of "frame" I am including all known and
> > >>>> yet-to-be-known dimensions, including that of time.
> >
> > >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >>>> Om Shanti
> >
> y
> > >>> of any theory in "yet-to-be-known dimensions".
> >
> > >> "A theory may appear to be invalid..." is not necessarily
> > >> a pronouncement of its validity. Note the words "may" and
> > >> "necessarily".
> >
> > >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >> Om Shanti
> >
> > > Hello Jai,
> > > Hope all is going fine with your script!
> > > We are having a fantastic time in Paris. =A0Saw Monet's garden and hous=
> > >>> of any theory in "yet-to-be-known dimensions".
> >
> > >> "A theory may appear to be invalid..." is not necessarily
> > >> a pronouncement of its validity. Note the words "may" and
> > >> "necessarily".
> >
> > >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >> Om Shanti
> >
> > > Hello Jai,
> > > Hope all is going fine with your script!
> e
> > > in Giverney, took a walking tour and this morning visited the
> > > catacombs and Rodin's musuem. =A0Now we will have dinner at the Eiffel
> > > in Giverney, took a walking tour and this morning visited the
> > > tower restaurant, Seine cruise and Moulin Rouge...
> > > Life is a dream here, everything is so efficient and lovely. =A0Amazing=
> !
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > My screenwriting initiation is indirectly related to
> > Moulin Rouge.
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > My screenwriting initiation is indirectly related to
> > Moulin Rouge.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> Toulouse-Lautrec was directly related. Showed one way to make money,
> by promoting showbiz.
Most of which now begins with a $creenplay.
> by promoting showbiz.
> > Where do you go from France?
>
> I have returned this morning, after visiting Amsterdam and
> surroundings (Delft, The Hague, Marodam, Vandamen,
> Marken and Keukenhof); then to Dusseldorf and Koln (the cathedral
> there is a wonder to behold) in Germany.
> Flew back to Paris from Dusseldorf, and spent a day in Shanghai
> (mostly sleeping I am afraid, but we did eat
> good dim sums and bought pottery and other stuff at the airport). It
> was a truly fantastic experience, we were very
> lucky with the food, the weather, the travel and the hotels - and my
> aunt's hospitality in Germany was simply
> unbelievable!
> Also managed to see a Hindi movie on the flight, AB & HM in "Buddah
> hoga tera baap".
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
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