Russian heavy fuel terminal to end Estonia shipments
Dr. Barry Worthington
"Russian heavy fuel terminal to end Estonia shipments
30 June 2009
A new heavy fuel terminal at the Russian port of Ust-Luga will call an
end to rail-shipments of oil to Estonia.
This will be Russia’s first port handling heavy fuel oil, the first
tankers from which will take the product via Ust-Luga.
‘We will start to reduce railway transportation of our heavy fuel oil
to Estonia. In a year we will completely stop its delivery to Estonian
ports,’ Russia’s deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov says.
The first phase of the heavy fuel terminal is due to begin operations
by the end of this year.
Russia is increasingly keen to export oil from its own ports. Foreign
ports transhipped 75% of Russian export cargo in the late 1990s,
compared to 13% this year."
This has been on the cards for some time, and has important
implications for Muuga, Paldiski, and Ventspils. The successful Baltic
States economic transition was largely underpinned by transit trafic
to and from Russia and the C.I.S.
However, one assumes that Ust Luga is not completely ice free, and
that the grain traffic will continue in some form. Of more importance
is the development of overland container traffic to and from Asian
destinations via the Baltic States. This has great potential. One must
also take into account the opening of the Ferhman Link within a few
years time.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Tadas Blinda
Peter
But with Russia, we'll see.
Petya.
Group: soc.culture.baltics Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2009, 7:49am (EDT-3) From:
sh...@abertay.ac.uk (Dr. Barry Worthington)
Petya.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Sorry, that's a typo. It should, of course, be Fehmarn.
More info here:-
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J. Anderson
"Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in message
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On 30 June, 16:46, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
> > A new heavy fuel terminal at the Russian port of Ust-Luga will call an
> > end to rail-shipments of oil to Estonia.
The new port at Laukaa (which the Russians stubbornly keep calling
"Ust-Luga") will hardly be ready this year, and in any case it will not be
able to handle much of the present transito traffic through Finland and
Estonia until perhaps in 2015.
> > �We will start to reduce railway transportation of our heavy fuel oil
> > to Estonia. In a year we will completely stop its delivery to Estonian
> > ports,� Russia�s deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov says.
We'll see about that, Ivanov.
> > The first phase of the heavy fuel terminal is due to begin operations
> > by the end of this year.
Sure, Seryozha.
> > Russia is increasingly keen to export oil from its own ports. Foreign
> > ports transhipped 75% of Russian export cargo in the late 1990s,
> > compared to 13% this year."
There are many involved parties who would prefer Russia to handle all its
exports and imports via its own ports. Among them are a horde of corrupted
officials and numberless swarms of thieves.
> > One must
> > also take into account the opening of the Ferhman Link within a few
> > years time.
What would change? Sea transport would be necessary in any case and will
remain cheaper.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> "Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in messagenews:e7c97f81-86a0-4895...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On 30 June, 16:46, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
>
> > > A new heavy fuel terminal at the Russian port of Ust-Luga will call an
> > > end to rail-shipments of oil to Estonia.
>
> The new port at Laukaa (which the Russians stubbornly keep calling
> "Ust-Luga") will hardly be ready this year, and in any case it will not be
> able to handle much of the present transito traffic through Finland and
> Estonia until perhaps in 2015.
>
> > > We will start to reduce railway transportation of our heavy fuel oil
> > > to Estonia. In a year we will completely stop its delivery to Estonian
> > > ports, Russia s deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov says.
>
> We'll see about that, Ivanov.
>
> > > The first phase of the heavy fuel terminal is due to begin operations
> > > by the end of this year.
>
> Sure, Seryozha.
>
> > > Russia is increasingly keen to export oil from its own ports. Foreign
> > > ports transhipped 75% of Russian export cargo in the late 1990s,
> > > compared to 13% this year."
>
> There are many involved parties who would prefer Russia to handle all its
> exports and imports via its own ports. Among them are a horde of corrupted
> officials and numberless swarms of thieves.
Yes, that's an important consideration. Nevertheless, the decline in
Russian oil and other transit traffic across the Baltics is
significant. The Asian market is more promising.
>
> > > One must
> > > also take into account the opening of the Ferhman Link within a few
> > > years time.
>
> What would change? Sea transport would be necessary in any case and will
> remain cheaper.
Actually, rail transport is cheaper over long distances, faster, and
more convenient. But I wasn't talking about Russian oil shipments in
this case.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> "Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in messagenews:e7c97f81-86a0-4895...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On 30 June, 16:46, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
>
> > > A new heavy fuel terminal at the Russian port of Ust-Luga will call an
> > > end to rail-shipments of oil to Estonia.
>
> The new port at Laukaa (which the Russians stubbornly keep calling
> "Ust-Luga")
>
What do you mean by "Lukaa, which the Russians stubbornly keep calling
"Ust-Luga""? Ust-Luga is a place in Russia. A country has a right to
call its places any way it wants. How would you like it if I wrote
"Dantzig, which the Poles stubbornly keep calling "Gdansk"?
Ust-Luga also happens to be its proper English name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ust-Luga
Ust-Luga
Ust-Luga (Russian: Усть-Луга, Votian: Laugasuu, lit. mouth of the
Luga) is a settlement and railway station in Kingiseppsky District of
Leningrad Oblast, Russia, situated on the Luga River near its entry
into the Luga Bay of the Gulf of Finland, about 110 kilometres (68 mi)
west of St. Petersburg. As of 2005, the population of Ust-Luga does
not exceed 2,000, but the port administration expects it to grow to
34,000 by 2025. This would make Ust-Luga the first new town built in
Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>
> will hardly be ready this year, and in any case it will not be
> able to handle much of the present transito traffic through Finland and
> Estonia until perhaps in 2015.
>
Why do you care?
>
> > > We will start to reduce railway transportation of our heavy fuel oil
> > > to Estonia. In a year we will completely stop its delivery to Estonian
> > > ports, Russia s deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov says.
>
> We'll see about that, Ivanov.
>
Why do you care?
>
> > > The first phase of the heavy fuel terminal is due to begin operations
> > > by the end of this year.
>
> Sure, Seryozha.
>
Why do you care?
>
> > > Russia is increasingly keen to export oil from its own ports. Foreign
> > > ports transhipped 75% of Russian export cargo in the late 1990s,
> > > compared to 13% this year."
>
> There are many involved parties who would prefer Russia to handle all its
> exports and imports via its own ports.
>
Why aren't you happy to see Russia handle all its exports and imports
via its own ports? Sounds like a great idea that the West and Finland
would welcome, applaude and help achieve. What's wrong with it?
>
> Among them are a horde of corrupted
> officials and numberless swarms of thieves.
>
What business is it of yours? Are they going to steal anything from
Finland?
Does Finland have any thieves of its own?
>
> > > One must
> > > also take into account the opening of the Ferhman Link within a few
> > > years time.
>
> What would change? Sea transport would be necessary in any case and will
> remain cheaper.
>
Why do you care?
Looks like you are suffering from a severe case of sour grapes,
bordering on hysteria.
Glad to see you thus.
J. Anderson
"Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_be...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d1f7b8f9-84c8-457f...@r10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Why do you care?
> Why do you care?
> Why do you care?
> Why do you care?
He wouldn't ask if he knew
- that Finland earns quite a lot with the transito traffic
- that 1/6 of all Russian imports goes via Finnish ports
- that 40% of all imported cars to Russia go as transito through Finland
- that Russian authorities want to move all that to Russian ports
- that Russian ports are hopelessly inefficient, inadequate and unreliable
- that Russian importers thus prefer the use of Finnish and Baltic ports
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d1f7b8f9-84c8-457f...@r10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Why do you care?
>
>> Looks like you are suffering from a severe case of sour
>> grapes, bordering on hysteria.
>
>>> numberless swarms of thieves
>
>> Why aren't you happy to see Russia handle all its exports
>> and imports via its own ports?
>
> - that Finland earns quite a lot with the transito traffic
> - that 1/6 of all Russian imports goes via Finnish ports
> - that 40% of all imported cars to Russia go as transito through Finland
> - that Russian authorities want to move all that to Russian ports
>
I don't know whom you mean by the word "he", loser, but that's exactly
what I wrote about the reasons for your incoprehensible hysteria here:
>
>> Looks like you are suffering from a severe case of sour
>> grapes, bordering on hysteria.
>
Why do you think that Russia is obligated to use Finnish ports? Isn't
it a purely internal decision for Russia to make? Would Finland, USA
or any other country prefer to use foreign ports if it could use its
own?
Is Finland obligated to shipping any of its own products via Russia?
Is it doing so? Then why should Russia? Because you are a hypocrite?
As I said, pure sour grapes. You hate Russia and gloat over its
relatively low standard of living, and yet you expect Russia to
provide welfare for you and other Finns. Well, Russians are much
poorer than Finns at the moment and should **not** be forced to
support Finns economically.
J. Anderson
> I don't know whom you mean by the word "he",
> loser, but that's exactly what I wrote about the
> reasons for your incoprehensible hysteria here:
The guy's truly unbelievable. He spends his life in this newsgroup, yet he
calls other people 'losers'. He comments on just about everything that is
posted here, pasting masses of text that he keeps digging up from somewhere
(and that nobody bothers to read), and yet he is accusing others of
hysteria!
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
>
> The guy's truly unbelievable. He spends his life in this newsgroup, yet he
> calls other people 'losers'. He comments on just about everything that is
> posted here, pasting masses of text that he keeps digging up from somewhere
> (and that nobody bothers to read), and yet he is accusing others of
> hysteria!
>
That time of the month again, Johnny?
Maris
<ostap_be...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 2, 4:33�am, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>> "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d1f7b8f9-84c8-457f...@r10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Why do you care?
>>
>>> Looks like you are suffering from a severe case of sour
>>> grapes, bordering on hysteria.
>>
>>>> There are many involved parties who would prefer Russia to
>>>> handle all its exports and imports via its own ports. Among them
>>>> numberless swarms of thieves
>>
>>> Why aren't you happy to see Russia handle all its exports
>>> and imports via its own ports?
>>
>> He wouldn't ask if he knew
>> - that Finland earns quite a lot with the transito traffic
>> - that 1/6 of all Russian imports goes via Finnish ports
>> - that 40% of all imported cars to Russia go as transito through Finland
>> - that Russian authorities want to move all that to Russian ports
>>
>
>I don't know whom you mean by the word "he", loser, but that's exactly
>what I wrote about the reasons for your incoprehensible hysteria here:
>
You really are a 'Jekyll and Hyde' character aren't you. One minute
you are complaining about ad hominem attacks on you and the next you
are perpetrating them.
Maris
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:27:24 -0700 (PDT), "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
>
>
>
>
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 2, 4:33 am, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> >> "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d1f7b8f9-84c8-457f...@r10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Why do you care?
>
> >>> Looks like you are suffering from a severe case of sour
> >>> grapes, bordering on hysteria.
>
> >>>> There are many involved parties who would prefer Russia to
> >>>> handle all its exports and imports via its own ports. Among them
> >>>> numberless swarms of thieves
>
> >>> Why aren't you happy to see Russia handle all its exports
> >>> and imports via its own ports?
>
> >> He wouldn't ask if he knew
> >> - that Finland earns quite a lot with the transito traffic
> >> - that 1/6 of all Russian imports goes via Finnish ports
> >> - that 40% of all imported cars to Russia go as transito through Finland
> >> - that Russian authorities want to move all that to Russian ports
>
> >I don't know whom you mean by the word "he", loser, but that's exactly
>
> You really are a 'Jekyll and Hyde' character aren't you. One minute
> you are complaining about ad hominem attacks on you and the next you
> are perpetrating them.
> Maris
>
Referring to a text as "incomprehensible hysteria" is not really an ad
hominem attack. I have a full right to express my views about the text
of his post and call it "hysteria" if I see it that way. Try to
distinguish between the "at person" and the "at text" comments.
Maris
I was referring to your use of name-calling, which, I at least,
thought was obvious.
Maris
Dmitry
He loves his argument to the extend that can drive him to produce some
hypocritical slurs, so do many others in scb -)) John just pointed
out some historical facts with regards to the region in question and
that triggered "why do you care?", John explained why he cares (I care
would if I was Finn) followed by Ostap's "I don't know whom you mean
by the word "he", loser," etc. .................... it is quite
obvious to me why John used the word "he".
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
>
> He loves his argument to the extend that can drive him to produce some
> hypocritical slurs, so do many others in scb -)) John just pointed
> out some historical facts with regards to the region in question and
> that triggered "why do you care?"
>
"Historical facts"? Really? Let me re-post John's original article and
ask you to point out where he "points out some historical facts". I
can see none. All I see is his opinion that Russians should not be
allowed to manage their own economy the way they see fit, because they
are "corrupted officials and numberless swarms of thieves". Instead of
supporting its own port industry, Russia should be obligated to
continue to support the Finnish one, so that Johnny would be able to
afford to slam these same Russians (who, according to his claim in
another post, account for the "overwhelming majority of criminals in
Finland") who are funding his and his country's welfare by shipping
via Finnish ports.
On Jul 1, 8:08 am, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> "Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote
>> On 30 June, 16:46, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
>
> > > A new heavy fuel terminal at the Russian port of Ust-Luga will call an
> > > end to rail-shipments of oil to Estonia.
>
> The new port at Laukaa (which the Russians stubbornly keep calling
> "Ust-Luga") will hardly be ready this year, and in any case it will not be
> able to handle much of the present transito traffic through Finland and
> Estonia until perhaps in 2015.
>
> > > We will start to reduce railway transportation of our heavy fuel oil
> > > to Estonia. In a year we will completely stop its delivery to Estonian
> > > ports, Russia s deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov says.
>
> We'll see about that, Ivanov.
>
> > > The first phase of the heavy fuel terminal is due to begin operations
> > > by the end of this year.
>
> Sure, Seryozha.
>
> > > Russia is increasingly keen to export oil from its own ports. Foreign
> > > ports transhipped 75% of Russian export cargo in the late 1990s,
> > > compared to 13% this year."
>
> There are many involved parties who would prefer Russia to handle all its
> exports and imports via its own ports. Among them are a horde of corrupted
> officials and numberless swarms of thieves.
>
> > > One must
> > > also take into account the opening of the Ferhman Link within a few
> > > years time.
>
> What would change? Sea transport would be necessary in any case and will
> remain cheaper.
>
So, where does he "point out some historical facts", Dmitry?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> obvious to me why John used the word "he"
>
To me too. Because he is a Peter Pan, an infantile middle aged man who
still cannot forgive me for pointing out his lies concerning
"overwhelming percentage" of criminals in Finland being Russian. Here
is just a tiny sample of his lies:
> J. Anderson wrote:
>
> Btw, have I ever written anything derogatory about Russians as a nation?
> Despite the fact that an overwhelming percentage of the whores, drug dealers
> and thieves in Finland come from Russia (no, they are *not*
> Chechens)?
>
And just a few month later:
J. Anderson wrote:
>
> vkarlamov wrote:
>
> > Fourth, "Anderon" specifically claims that these criminal "Russian
> > citizens" are NOT Chechens.
>
> 'Anderon' does nothing of the sort. Contrary to practices in Russia,
> prisoners in Finland are not registered by ethnicity, only by (passport)
> nationality. 'Russian' = citizen of the Russian Federation.
>
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Its about time!
>
> But with Russia, we'll see.
>
All Finns have to do is bribe some Russian officials - and these
scumballs will sell out the entire Russian economy to them, the way
they sold out the Russian economy back in Yeltsin's times.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 4, 8:50 am, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>
> > He loves his argument to the extend that can drive him to produce some
> > hypocritical slurs, so do many others in scb -)) John just pointed
> > out some historical facts with regards to the region in question and
> > that triggered "why do you care?"
>
To show how absurd John's original post was, let me replace Russia
with Lithuania and Ust-Luga with Klajpeda:
Ivan Andersonov wrote:
>
> > > A new heavy fuel terminal at the Lithuanian port of Klajpeda will
> > > call an end to rail-shipments of oil through Russia.
>
> The new port at Memel (which the Lithuanians stubbornly keep calling
> "Klajpeda") will hardly be ready this year..
>
> > > We will start to reduce railway transportation of our heavy fuel oil
> > > to Russia.
>
> We'll see about that, Johanovicius.
>
> There are many involved parties who would prefer Lithuania to handle all its
> exports and imports via its own ports. Among them are a horde of corrupted
> officials and numberless swarms of thieves.
>
How does that sound?
Tadas Blinda
It sounds like you have stayed up too late.
Only a few minutes ago you told us that:
J. Anderson
Boring. He is trying to sidestep the inconvenient truth: that Russian
ports are hopelessly inefficient and unreliable, and that the reason for
this is corruption and criminality, and that the Russians are aware of
this, and that Russian companies therefore quite commonly try to avoid
using Russian ports, and that all this will not change until crime and
corruption has been dealt with properly. Forcing importers to use
Russian ports will only increase crime and corruption, and this may
indeed be the ultimate goal of those who are promoting this idea.
The only Russian port with a fairly good reputation is the new one at
Koivisto (which the Russians stubbornly call Primorsk). It gives some
hope that the port under construction at Laugasuu (which the Russians
stubbornly keep calling Ust-Luga) might be a step in the right
direction. But that remains to be seen.
So far, Medvedev's war on corruption has not been very convincing. He
doesn't seem to get much assistance from Poutiainen (whom the Russians
stubbornly call Putin). On the contrary, some of the Prime Minister's
policies may even increase corruption.
Dmitry
[The new port at Laukaa (which the Russians stubbornly keep calling
"Ust-Luga")]. Why did they keep chanding names of the places?
Vladimir Makarenko
Let's get to the real issue:
Russia doesn't have all year around open water ports at Baltics - so
corrupted or not and to what degree the bureaucracy is irrelevant.
What I read in Russian press the whole transfer of the oil shipments is
caused the necessity to free the Baltic ports (and leading to them
railroads) from oil in favor of imports. Finland is already have no room
to breath - Baltics is the only option left.
Partly it is done due to pressure of Chinese manufactures: shipment
through Baltics is cheaper and up to two days faster.
Income from Russian transit is there to stay and only will grow.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
> On Jul 5, 12:43 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 4, 8:50 am, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>>
>>> He loves his argument to the extend that can drive him to produce some
>>> hypocritical slurs, so do many others in scb -)) John just pointed
>>> out some historical facts with regards to the region in question and
>>> that triggered "why do you care?"
>
> To show how absurd John's original post was, let me replace Russia
> with Lithuania and Ust-Luga with Klajpeda:
You provoke him - he responds in kind.
I had a meeting with him not because I decided to roll dice to find out
is he some Russophobe or not. I found that he is not Before that. You
may only take my word for it - he does cares about Russia and its people.
You may give me tons of his posts trying to prove otherwise - all I can
say it is the nature of usenet environment. For better or worse it is
how things are.
Maybe if you try to (just a little) exercise a "credit of doubt", things
will not go nice but different.
What I found amusing - both you hate Putin (and I am not) but you fight
each other instead of me.
Life is full of puzzles.
VM.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Wow. It looks like you are a highly knowledgeble expert on all these
internal Russian problems like port inefficiencies. What drove you to
devote your life to study these purely internal Russian issues, which
look highly boring to m, to use your word.
1. Do you work in this professon?
or
2. Have you suddenly and selflessly devoted your entire life to
helping Russians with advice how to run their ports and their economy?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Probably because the Finnish name for the "river" is "Lauga" and for
the "mouth" is "ansuu",
and the Russian name for the river is "Luga" and for the mouth is
"Ustie"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ust-Luga
Ust-Luga
(Russian: Усть-Луга, lit: mouth of Luga, Votian: Laugasuu, lit. mouth
of the Luga) is a settlement and railway station in Kingiseppsky
District of Leningrad Oblast, Russia, situated on the Luga River near
its entry into the Luga Bay As of 2005, the population of Ust-Luga
does not exceed 2,000, but the port administration expects it to grow
to 34,000 by 2025. This would make Ust-Luga the first new town built
in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.[3]
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laukaansuu
Laukaansuu
(ven. Усть-Лу́га, Ust-Luga) on taajama ja kunta Leningradin alueen
Jaaman piirissä Venäjällä.
Now let me ask you: Why do the English call Chernogoria - Montenegro?
Why do Poles call the city "Wilno" but Lithuanians - "Vilnius"?
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilno
Wilno
(lit. Vilnius, białorus. Вільня, Вільнюс, ros. Вильнюс, łot. Viļņa,
niem. Wilna, jid. ווילנע Wilne, łac. Vilna) – stolica Litwy (do 1945
stolica województwa wileńskiego)
Why do Germans call it Dantzig, while Poles call it "Gdansk"?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzig
Danzig (polnisch Gdańsk [ɡdaɲsk]) ist eine Hafen- und ehemalige
Hansestadt in Polen.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%84sk
Gdańsk, (wymowa ?/i, IPA: /gdaɲsk/, kaszb. Gduńsk, niem. Danzig, łac.
Gedanum, Dantiscum, jid. דאַנץ – danc) – miasto portowe w Polsce nad
Morzem Bałtyckim, stolica województwa pomorskiego.
Why do Germans call the Ukrainian city of "Lviv" - "Lemberrg",
Italians - "Leopoli", while Russians and Poles calll it "Lwow"?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemberg
Lemberg
(ukrainisch: Львів, Lwiw; polnisch: Lwów; russisch: Львов, Lwow;
jiddisch לעמבערג; , lat. Leopolis) ist eine Stadt in der westlichen
Ukraine
Take as an example Peteris' home city of Daugavpils in your homeland
of Latvia. The town's history began in 1275 when Dünaburg castle was
built by the Livonian Order. But over history, Dunaburg has been
called:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daugavpils
Daugavpils has been referred to by several historical names in various
languages. Some are still in use today
Belarusian: Дзьвінск (Dźvinsk)
German: Dünaburg
Finnish: Väinänlinna
Latgalian: Daugpiļs
Lithuanian: Daugpilis
Polish: Dyneburg, Dźwinów, Dźwińsk, with Dyneburg the only name still
in use in Polish today
Russian: Даугавпилс, Борисоглебск (Borisoglebsk 1656–1667), Двинcк
(Dvinsk)
Yiddish: דינעבורג (Dineburg)
Trey to guess why, Dmitry.
Vladimir Makarenko
> Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 12:43 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 4, 8:50 am, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He loves his argument to the extend that can drive him to produce some
>>>> hypocritical slurs, so do many others in scb -)) John just pointed
>>>> out some historical facts with regards to the region in question and
>>>> that triggered "why do you care?"
>>
>> To show how absurd John's original post was, let me replace Russia
>> with Lithuania and Ust-Luga with Klajpeda:
>
>
> You provoke him - he responds in kind.
> I had a meeting with him not because I decided to roll dice to find out
> is he some Russophobe or not. I found that he is not Before that. You
> may only take my word for it - he does cares about Russia and its people.
> You may give me tons of his posts trying to prove otherwise - all I can
> say it is the nature of usenet environment. For better or worse it is
> how things are.
>
> Maybe if you try to (just a little) exercise a "credit of doubt", things
> will not go nice but different.
>
> What I found amusing - both you hate Putin (and I am not) but you fight
> each other instead of me.
> Life is full of puzzles.
>
> VM.
And just to add - John is apart from being very knowledgeable, he is
just a very interesting. I am not in niceties: we spent three or so
hours talking among us - me, he and his stepson not for being courtly
polite. I am a very bad politician. I was told so many times. But we
talked because it was interesting to listen and express. Besides - just
remember - he is a Finn, he will never surrender. Didn't we learn that
in 1940?
I am just upset that all gunpowder is wasted on nothing, on bickering.
Try Tadas Blinda instead and his ad hoc attacks on everybody he suspects
disagrees with him or his estimate of importance of Lithuanian language.
Remember a father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"? (I think I just signed
my death penalty...).
I think Finns in general are upset with us Russkies - they expected us
to perform much better. Well, we all want on Sunday morning our omelette
be ready in a minute (warning - figure of speech - eggs are LOADED with
cholesterol - one egg is about 300-500% of daily allowance).
The good thing is - these days we can hear them. There were times when
we were kept "deaf".
Tadas Blinda
> Try Tadas Blinda instead and his attacks on everybody he suspects
> disagrees with him or his estimate of importance of Lithuanian language.
I deal in facts. Lithuanian has more PIE features than Russian.
That's a fact.
Now for an opinion: Lithuanian is more beautiful. For one thing, we
don't have that ugly ы sound as in мыло and быть.
Vladimir Makarenko
> On Jul 6, 4:56 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Try Tadas Blinda instead and his attacks on everybody he suspects
>> disagrees with him or his estimate of importance of Lithuanian language.
That is what revolts me - why in the hell you need to "doctor" my quote?
What you think - you are too stupid to confront the original? You are
not obviously. What else - lazy?
>
> I deal in facts. Lithuanian has more PIE features than Russian.
> That's a fact.
Oh, be my guest - I have no clue about languages - indeed I never had. I
never claimed it either.
All my expertise starts (and ends) with Khlebnikov and Nabokov.
Khlebnikov was a genius.
I have very strange idea how it will all end up - I think there will be
no languages.
Let's argue about that.
>
> Now for an opinion: Lithuanian is more beautiful. For one thing, we
> don't have that ugly ы sound as in мыло and быть.
Maybe Lithuanian is more beautiful. I am serious. The question is - does
it makes people who speak it more "beautiful"?
I am trying to say - you refer to people who developed this language,
which you didn't. Why you want a share of THEIR glory?
Maybe it's time for you to do something yourself - like going to local
school and just once a week having a class on Lithuanian? And putting on
your hard drive what you know about the language and culture? Instead of
bitching how bad Russkies are?
Remember - today we value preciously every piece we gather from the past.
VM.
Tadas Blinda
Vladski, get a grip. I live in Lithuania. And let me tell you,
modesty forbids me from boasting about my accomplishments, such as the
fact that I grew up in places (far from Europe) where there were no
weekend Lithuanian schools, yet I mastered written Lithuanian all
alone and unassisted to the extent that I am know a translator of my
beloved native language, and modesty really does forbid me from
telling you what an excellent reputation I have acquired in the field.
J. Anderson
Wow. Isn't it easy to keep him occupied, Dmitry! I hope it's therapeutic
too.
Tadas Blinda
Can't help noticing "the Russian name for a river mouth is "Ustie"
Which looks suspiciously like "Ostia" – where the Tevere (river that
flows through Rome) comes to the sea. (Os, oris = mouth, c.f. oral
and all that.)
Vladimir Makarenko
This is ridiculous - everybody knows that I am unchallenged,
incomparable champion of Modesty. And here come you with your pathetic
claim. I am so modest that I contemplate in solitude my real life
portrait with close friends- "Vlad teaches Plato and Einstein on
intellectual challenges of Mankind".
VM.
Tadas Blinda
Well there you go ... I am far too modest to boast that I am more
modest than you.
Dmitry
I don't think John devotes his life to study Russian internal issues,
he is just a knowledgeble person. I have always been impressed with
his knowledge in very wide variety of subjects.
> 2. Have you suddenly and selflessly devoted your entire life to
> helping Russians with advice how to run their ports and their economy?
Is there anything wrong with having an opinion on inefficiencies of
Russian ports? Do you think they are the best run ports in the world?
J. Anderson
"Tadas Blinda" <tadas....@lycos.es> wrote in message
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> Well there you go ... I am far too modest to boast that I am more
> modest than you.
No one is as Modest as Mussorgsky.
Dmitry
> don't have that ugly ы sound as in мыло and быть.
Lithuanian sounds softer than Russian, but there are also various
neighbouring Russian/Belorusian dialects that sound closer to
Lithuanian. I find sound of Latvian more beautiful than Lithuanian,
but then I prefer the sound of Swedish to Danish or German to Dutch.
There is no offence, just a personal preference, of course Lithuanian
is beautiful. BTW that "ы" sound is also present in Estonian (in a
larger proportion than in Russian).
Dmitry
> > German: Dünaburg
> > Finnish: Väinänlinna
> > Latgalian: Daugpiļs
> > Lithuanian: Daugpilis
> > Polish: Dyneburg, Dźwinów, Dźwińsk, with Dyneburg the only name still
> > in use in Polish today
> > Russian: Даугавпилс, Борисоглебск (Borisoglebsk 1656–1667), Двинcк
> > (Dvinsk)
> > Yiddish: דינעבורג (Dineburg)
>
> > Trey to guess why, Dmitry.
>
> Wow. Isn't it easy to keep him occupied, Dmitry! I hope it's therapeutic
> too.
Not difficult. Was it Lenin who said "iz iskry vozgoritsja plamja"?
It is lovely to see the list of names of "Peteris' home city", which
was also a "home city" for my father for sometime, but I found it more
funny to read UK map in Russian (just the way they spell the names of
places). Yet, I've never heard of Väinänlinna before, so there is
something interesting in the extract.
Vladimir Makarenko
And his children?
I imagine what kind of life has a person who has to present himself -
"my middle name is "Modest".
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
>>> Belarusian: Дзьвінск (Dźvinsk)
>>> German: Dünaburg
>>> Finnish: Väinänlinna
>>> Latgalian: Daugpiļs
>>> Lithuanian: Daugpilis
>>> Polish: Dyneburg, Dźwinów, Dźwińsk, with Dyneburg the only name still
>>> in use in Polish today
>>> Russian: Даугавпилс, Борисоглебск (Borisoglebsk 1656–1667), Двинcк
>>> (Dvinsk)
>>> Yiddish: דינעבורג (Dineburg)
>>> Trey to guess why, Dmitry.
>> Wow. Isn't it easy to keep him occupied, Dmitry! I hope it's therapeutic
>> too.
>
> Not difficult. Was it Lenin who said "iz iskry vozgoritsja plamja"?
> It is lovely to see the list of names of "Peteris' home city", which
> was also a "home city" for my father for sometime, but I found it more
> funny to read UK map in Russian
Nothing funny. What is Funny about such ordinary names : "First Tank
Division Area", "Fifteen Airborne Division Area", "Strategic Targets #3,
6 and 11", "Lethal Radioactivity Zone". Etc. Very sensible pragmatic names.
VM.
Dmitry
Происходит от др.-русск. устье ср. р., усть ж. — то же, часто в
составе местн. нн., напр. Усть-Двинск, Усть-Нарова и т. п. От уста, из
праслав. формы *ustа, от которой в числе прочего произошли: др.-
русск., ст.-слав. ѹста (др.-греч. στόμα), русск. уста, укр., белор.
вуста, болг. уста́, сербохорв. у́ста, словенск. ústa, чешск., словацк.
ústa, польск. usta, в.-луж. wusta, н.-луж. husta. Праслав. *ustа —
форма мн., а не дв., потому что здесь две части образуют одно целое.
Родственно др.-прусск. austo «рот», лит. áuščioti «болтать,
шептаться», др.-инд. вед. ṓṣṭhas м. «губа», дв. ч. ṓṣṭhāu «губы»,
авест. аоštа- м. «губа», лат. ausculum, буквально «ротик». Др. ступень
чередования гласных: лит. uostà ж., úоstаs м. «устье, гавань», др.-
инд. ās-, āsán-, āsyám ср. р. «рот», лат. ōs (род. п. ōris) ср. р.
«рот», авест. āh- — то же, ирл. ā «рот», др.-исл. óss м. «устье реки»,
лат. ōstium — то же.
It seems as an old Indo-European root. Sorry I can't translate it,
I'm no good at translating, but I'm sure you would understand some of
it.
Dmitry
> Division Area", "Fifteen Airborne Division Area", "Strategic Targets #3,
> 6 and 11", "Lethal Radioactivity Zone". Etc. Very sensible pragmatic names.
>
> VM.
I remember in central Piter there were 9 or more "ulica
krasnoarmejskaja" lined up in a row. They were numbered as 1rst
krasnoarmejskaja, 2nd krasnoarmejskaja etc...
J. Anderson
"Dmitry" <dmitrijs...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
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And how many Pervomayskoe were there in the SU? I wonder if they've all kept
their names.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Oscar Wilde even wrote a play about Mussorgsky: "The Importance of
Being Modest". Or maybe the author is our Tadas, who doesn't want to
claim it out of modesty?
Vladimir Makarenko
One name I really hated when in Russia "Industrial'nyi/aya" Prospect, Ulica.
Guess where else it is a name of choice...
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
Probably. He is modest to the degree he is just shy. But I really like
his other work - "Hamlet" (he used some funny name to author it - I just
cannot remember right now).
VM.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
>
> Can't help noticing "the Russian name for a river mouth is "Ustie"
>
> Which looks suspiciously like "Ostia" – where the Tevere (river that
> flows through Rome) comes to the sea. (Os, oris = mouth, c.f. oral
> and all that.)
>
Yep. I even lived in Ostia but never thought of ths relation.
Other face parts in common are
"Eyes": "ochi" in Russian and "occhi" in Italian.
"Nose": "nos" in Russian and "naso" in Italian.
English and Russian also have "brow"/"brov" in common, but Italian is
"sopracciglio".
What are these in Lith?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> > > Belarusian: Дзьвінск (Dźvinsk)
> > > German: Dünaburg
> > > Finnish: Väinänlinna
> > > Latgalian: Daugpiļs
> > > Lithuanian: Daugpilis
> > > Polish: Dyneburg, Dźwinów, Dźwińsk, with Dyneburg the only name still
> > > in use in Polish today
> > > Russian: Даугавпилс, Борисоглебск (Borisoglebsk 1656–1667), Двинcк
> > > (Dvinsk)
> > > Yiddish: דינעבורג (Dineburg)
>
> > > Trey to guess why, Dmitry.
>
> > Wow. Isn't it easy to keep him occupied, Dmitry! I hope it's therapeutic
> > too.
>
> Not difficult. Was it Lenin who said "iz iskry vozgoritsja plamja"?
> It is lovely to see the list of names of "Peteris' home city", which
> was also a "home city" for my father for sometime, but I found it more
> funny to read UK map in Russian (just the way they spell the names of
> places).
>
There is a Russian saying: "English is very tricky. They write:
"Manchester", read it as "Liverpool" and pronounce it as
"Birmingham"".
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
I like the way New York does it: They don't even use the word
"kranoarmejskaja". Just 1st St., 2nd St, ..... 198th St... 250th
St...)
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> "Dmitry" <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
I would hope they do. Afterall, May 1 / Labour Day is still a major
holiday both in Russia and in the rest of Europe, including Latvia.
I like names of San Francisco Steets: Noriega, Ortega (next to each
other), Castro, Chavez...
Vladimir Makarenko
The City dropped it - it is expensive.
VM.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Yes, the title hero is the little Lihtuanian village he live in now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(place)
A hamlet is usually a rural settlement which is too small to be
considered a village
J. Anderson
"Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Let's be earnest: the play was called 'The Importance of Being Earnest'. It
was probably about Hemingway.
Tadas Blinda
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 3:14 am, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Can't help noticing "the Russian name for a river mouth is "Ustie"
>
> > Which looks suspiciously like "Ostia" – where the Tevere (river that
> > flows through Rome) comes to the sea. (Os, oris = mouth, c.f. oral
> > and all that.)
>
> Yep. I even lived in Ostia but never thought of ths relation.
>
> Other face parts in common are
>
> "Eyes": "ochi" in Russian and "occhi" in Italian.
akìs in Lithuanian (nom. sing., F gender)
> "Nose": "nos" in Russian and "naso" in Italian.
nósis in Lithuanian (nom. sing., F gender)
> English and Russian also have "brow"/"brov" in common, but Italian is
> "sopracciglio".
c.f. supercilious
"cejas" in Spanish: a "cejijunto" has one long eyebrow (the two are
joined)
In Lithuanian "brūvis" used to exist but it was kicked out by the
Language Academy as a foreignism. The official word is
"antakiai" ("on the eyes").
Tadas Blinda
Well, pronouncing Featherstonehaugh as "Fanshaw" is almost that bad.
Ditto pronouncing Cholmondely as "Chumley", and Montmorency as
"Munsey".
Tadas Blinda
A hamlet is a small ham: kumpiukas.
Speaking of eatables, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skilandis —
the best.
Dmitry
> "Dmitry" <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
They swapped some city names back to the originals (e.g. Piterburg,
Nizhnij Novgorod), but I guess most of the small places still hold
their Soviet names. As far as I know, no changes appeared in K-
gradskaja oblast -))
Dmitry
Don't know. China, Noth Korea? I don't think we had "industrial'naja/
nyj" in Latvia, but there was "sarkanarmijas
iela" ("krasnoarmejskaja") in Riga, changed from
"bruninieku" ("rycarskaja"). And of course we had Lenina, K.Marksa
and Fr.Engelsa. KGB headquaters was on the corner of Lenina and
Fr.Engelsa.
>
> VM.
Dmitry
> "Manchester", read it as "Liverpool" and pronounce it as
> "Birmingham"".
I don't get this joke. What does that mean?
Tadas Blinda
They are referring to things such as pronouncing Featherstonehaugh as
"Fanshaw", Cholmondely as "Chumley", and Montmorency as "Munsey".
It's called exaggeration. :-)
(In Spain Donosti is San Sebastián and Gasteiz is Vitoria.)
J. Anderson
> One name I really hated when in Russia "Industrial'nyi/aya" Prospect,
> Ulica.
In Lithuania there is still a town called Elektrenai. With a fascinating
church, by the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektr%C4%97nai God power
and coal power in perfect harmony...
Dmitry
> "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote in message
At least it was established in Sovok period, so the name fits... -))
Vladimir Makarenko
> On 6 July, 22:43, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dmitry wrote:
>>>> Nothing funny. What is Funny about such ordinary names : "First Tank
>>>> Division Area", "Fifteen Airborne Division Area", "Strategic Targets #3,
>>>> 6 and 11", "Lethal Radioactivity Zone". Etc. Very sensible pragmatic names.
>>>> VM.
>>> I remember in central Piter there were 9 or more "ulica
>>> krasnoarmejskaja" lined up in a row. They were numbered as 1rst
>>> krasnoarmejskaja, 2nd krasnoarmejskaja etc...
>> One name I really hated when in Russia "Industrial'nyi/aya" Prospect, Ulica.
>>
>> Guess where else it is a name of choice...
>
> Don't know. China, Noth Korea?
Heh, try again.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
VM.
J. Anderson
> Dmitry wrote:
>> On 6 July, 22:43, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dmitry wrote:
>>>>> Nothing funny. What is Funny about such ordinary names : "First Tank
>>>>> Division Area", "Fifteen Airborne Division Area", "Strategic Targets
>>>>> #3,
>>>>> 6 and 11", "Lethal Radioactivity Zone". Etc. Very sensible pragmatic
>>>>> names.
>>>>> VM.
>>>> I remember in central Piter there were 9 or more "ulica
>>>> krasnoarmejskaja" lined up in a row. They were numbered as 1rst
>>>> krasnoarmejskaja, 2nd krasnoarmejskaja etc...
>>> One name I really hated when in Russia "Industrial'nyi/aya" Prospect,
>>> Ulica.
>>>
>>> Guess where else it is a name of choice...
>>
>> Don't know. China, Noth Korea?
>
> Heh, try again.
How about:
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=industrial+street+new+york&meta=&aq=f&oq=
:-)))))
Dmitry
> Dmitry wrote:
> > On 6 July, 22:43, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dmitry wrote:
> >>>> Nothing funny. What is Funny about such ordinary names : "First Tank
> >>>> Division Area", "Fifteen Airborne Division Area", "Strategic Targets #3,
> >>>> 6 and 11", "Lethal Radioactivity Zone". Etc. Very sensible pragmatic names.
> >>>> VM.
> >>> I remember in central Piter there were 9 or more "ulica
> >>> krasnoarmejskaja" lined up in a row. They were numbered as 1rst
> >>> krasnoarmejskaja, 2nd krasnoarmejskaja etc...
> >> One name I really hated when in Russia "Industrial'nyi/aya" Prospect, Ulica.
>
> >> Guess where else it is a name of choice...
>
> > Don't know. China, Noth Korea?
>
> Heh, try again.
There are some in UK, but they are not very common.
captain!
"J. Anderson" <ander...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
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>> > Russia is increasingly keen to export oil from its own ports. Foreign
>> > ports transhipped 75% of Russian export cargo in the late 1990s,
>> > compared to 13% this year."
>
> There are many involved parties who would prefer Russia to handle all its
> exports and imports via its own ports. Among them are a horde of corrupted
> officials and numberless swarms of thieves.
>
heh, that's actually quite a hilarious comment.
captain!
>
>
> Try Tadas Blinda instead and his ad hoc attacks on everybody he suspects
> disagrees with him or his estimate of importance of Lithuanian language.
> Remember a father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"? (I think I just signed my
> death penalty...).
>
> I think Finns in general are upset with us Russkies - they expected us to
> perform much better. Well, we all want on Sunday morning our omelette be
> ready in a minute (warning - figure of speech - eggs are LOADED with
> cholesterol - one egg is about 300-500% of daily allowance).
>
lol. tadas is like the father from "my big fat greek wedding"? i'll have to
download and watch that movie sometime.
also, don't be ragging on eggs. they're a great way to start your day!
captain!
"Tadas Blinda" <tadas....@lycos.es> wrote in message
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On Jul 6, 6:56 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> modesty really does forbid me from
telling you what an excellent reputation I have acquired in the field.
//////////////
they're probably just trying to be nice to you so you'll stop calling them
at 3 am in the morning asking for "favors".
captain!
>>>> On Jul 6, 4:56 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Try Tadas Blinda instead and his attacks on everybody he suspects
>>>>> disagrees with him or his estimate of importance of Lithuanian
>>>>> language.
>>> What you think - you are too stupid to confront the original? You are
>>> not obviously. What else - lazy?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I deal in facts. Lithuanian has more PIE features than Russian.
>>>> That's a fact.
>>> Oh, be my guest - I have no clue about languages - indeed I never had. I
>>> never claimed it either.
>>> All my expertise starts (and ends) with Khlebnikov and Nabokov.
>>> Khlebnikov was a genius.
>>> I have very strange idea how it will all end up - I think there will be
>>> no languages.
>>> Let's argue about that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now for an opinion: Lithuanian is more beautiful. For one thing, we
>>>> don't have that ugly ? sound as in ???? and ????.
>>> Maybe Lithuanian is more beautiful. I am serious. The question is - does
>>> it makes people who speak it more "beautiful"?
>>>
>>> I am trying to say - you refer to people who developed this language,
>>> which you didn't. Why you want a share of THEIR glory?
>>>
>>> Maybe it's time for you to do something yourself - like going to local
>>> school and just once a week having a class on Lithuanian? And putting on
>>> your hard drive what you know about the language and culture? Instead of
>>> bitching how bad Russkies are?
>>> Remember - today we value preciously every piece we gather from the
>>> past.
>>>
>>> VM.
>>
>> Vladski, get a grip. I live in Lithuania. And let me tell you,
>> modesty forbids me from boasting about my accomplishments, such as the
>> fact that I grew up in places (far from Europe) where there were no
>> weekend Lithuanian schools, yet I mastered written Lithuanian all
>> alone and unassisted to the extent that I am know a translator of my
>> beloved native language, and modesty really does forbid me from
>> telling you what an excellent reputation I have acquired in the field.
>
> champion of Modesty. And here come you with your pathetic claim. I am so
> modest that I contemplate in solitude my real life portrait with close
> friends- "Vlad teaches Plato and Einstein on intellectual challenges of
> Mankind".
>
lol
Vladimir Makarenko
You are kidding me right? This movie Is a Gem.
>
> also, don't be ragging on eggs. they're a great way to start your day!
This is very serious - cut down on eggs, now. I am serious. If you
cannot abandon them - get "de-cholesteroled " - in any supermarket in
small milk kind like packages. Eggs are OK for children up to 18 -20
y.o. when body is still "building up" but not later.
Eggs and bacon are silent killers.
VM.
>
>
>
Dmitry
> captain! wrote:
> > "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Should try Chinese "preserved duck eggs". They preserve them raw in
salty water and they look like this http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2862592251_389a6185ca.jpg
. Don't even need to try, just a stink can put one off eggs for a
while.
Vladimir Makarenko
It is because you a Canadian - you don't know how difficult it is to
keep the top: I left only for few hours and coming back found my
painting amateurishly changed: In the portrait I now have a curled tail
and picking up ears and the singing says: "Her Royal Highness Akita
teaches her human students Plato and Einstein on the Evil of Squirrels
and Cats."
Forget Tadas - I now face a really formidable foe.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
Don't know if you ever were to Moscow "Pekin" restaurant (at
Mayakovskaya Square) - they had there an item which is if memory doesn't
betrays me was called "Shanghai Egg". Sounds very close to what you
describe.
VM.
Vidas
Eggs and bacon are killers ? Not to any degree higher than Papaya King
sausages, ground water and Near Eastern taxicab drivers are killers.
I had sushi for dinner tonight, mercury and all and I'm still alive.
Everything in moderation Vlad.
Lasinaiciai - bacon buns. As granted upon us meager humans by the Gods
themselves...
2 1/2 cups light cream
1/5 tsp salt
2 packets instant yeast
6-8 cups flour
1 lb. good quality ham - cubed
1/2 lb butter
1/2 cup sugar
1/4 cup warm water
2 onions, diced
1 lb. BACON, diced
Cut butter into 1/2” pieces and place in a saucepan. Add light cream
(Half and Half), sugar and salt, and heat until butter melts
completely over medium heat. Remove from heat once melted. In a
separate bowl, combine yeast with warm water. When butter mixture has
cooled to warm, add the yeast and water, mixing well. Do not add
yeast when the mixture is hot as the heat will kill the yeast.
Transfer the mixture to a large bowl. Add flour 1 cup at a time using
a wire whisk and mix each cup in thoroughly. As you add more flour,
put the whisk away and use a broad wooden spoon. By cup #5 set the
spoon aside and start kneading by hand. Pour flour cup #7 on your
work surface and continue to work the flour in with your hands until
incorporated. The dough should still be sticky, but not quite as
clingy. Use cup #8 if necessary.
Lifting the dough, brush the bottom of the mixing bowl with a coating
of vegetable oil and rub a small amount of oil on top of the dough as
well. This will prevent a crust from forming as the dough rises.
Place a cloth towel over the bowl and let the dough rise for an hour.
As the dough is rising, dice the onions and bacon into a fine dice.
Chilling the bacon in the freezer for an hour beforehand will make
dicing easier. Place the bacon and onion mixture into a large saute
pan and cook over low-medium heat. Be careful not to overcook - the
onions should be golden, but not browned. Cube the ham to a fine dice
and mix in.
When the dough has risen, take an amount of dough, about the size of a
golf ball, and roll it flat on a floured surface into an even round
shape. Place a tablespoon of the bacon/onion/ham filling in the
center of each round of dough and pinch the edges together making a
crescent shape. Place the lasinaiciai on a cookie sheet, seam-side
down. Leave room between the lasinaiciai, brush with an egg wash and
bake at 400 degrees for 15-20 minutes until golden brown.
Heaven in a bun Vlad. Try them.
Vladimir Makarenko
I respond thoughtfully later - right now I cannot help - me and the
girls are just drooling. It is a shame of my life - in the morning we
had microwave "breakfast".
Anyway - I took the rest of the week off - and I like cooking - it takes
my mind off. I feel very content while cooking. (Akita doesn't - she is
like - Why do you spoil this meat by cooking it?)
But thank you.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
Really, I appreciate it. Because right now I feel like boxed in - what
you girls,- ganged up - one broke her foot, another broke nail. And both
ask - what's for Dinner?
Thank God for Socialist Culture of the NYU - I don't know what I would
be up to if not the NYU backed up me today. I went to the City today-
there is work cannot wait. They told me - go away and do not bother.
Real people.
Keep well.
And thank you. I needed it.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
I definitely will. Except I was already told that I am not qualified up
to the job. She read it - she said "you cannot do this - it is for
sophisticated people to accomplish, I'll do this".
Oh - whatever - I am a Russian, a Barbarian, everything from McDonald s
is fine with me. I am an easy customer. But I love Sushi. Eel and the
Urchin.
VM.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
By far the best "cold cut"/sausage is the Armenian basturma. You,
living in Lithuania, are lucky to be able to find it in an Armenian
store in Vilnius or Kaunas. But make sure it is Armenian! The rest are
inept forgeries not worth eating. At least not by humans. I suspect
the American word "pastrami" is derived from "pasturma", although
there is no comparison in terms of taste.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basturma
Pastırma or bastırma is a highly seasoned, air-dried cured beef in the
cuisines of the former Ottoman countries.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Basturma_or_Pastroma_from_Armenia_1.JPG
http://www.talerka.ru/pict/c9073eabfead1013344698e7a9ed69c0.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pastirma1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastrami
Both the dish and the word pastrami were brought to the United States
in a wave of Jewish immigration from Bessarabia and Romania in the
second half of the 19th century. The word, derived from the Yiddish:
פּאַסטראָמע (pronounced pastróme), entered the Russian language as
pastromá (пастрома) via the Romanian pastramă, and it is likely rooted
in the Turkish pastırma.[1] An analogous dish is known as basturma in
Armenian cuisine and as basterma in the Arab world.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. wrote:
> >> On Jul 6, 11:53 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> J. Anderson wrote:
> >>>> "Tadas Blinda" <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote in message
> >>>>news:04198fd8-091b-4f42...@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On Jul 6, 6:01 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> This is ridiculous - everybody knows that I am unchallenged,
> >>>>>> incomparable champion of Modesty. And here come you with your
> >>>>>> pathetic
> >>>>>> claim. I am so modest that I contemplate in solitude my real life
> >>>>>> portrait with close friends- "Vlad teaches Plato and Einstein on
> >>>>>> intellectual challenges of Mankind".
> >>>>> Well there you go ... I am far too modest to boast that I am more
> >>>>> modest than you.
> >>>> No one is as Modest as Mussorgsky.
> >>> And his children?
> >>> I imagine what kind of life has a person who has to present himself -
> >>> "my middle name is "Modest".
>
> >> Oscar Wilde even wrote a play about Mussorgsky: "The Importance of
> >> Being Modest". Or maybe the author is our Tadas, who doesn't want to
> >> claim it out of modesty?
>
> > Probably. He is modest to the degree he is just shy. But I really like his
> > other work - "Hamlet" (he used some funny name to author it - I just
> > cannot remember right now).
>
> was probably about Hemingway.
>
Let's be frank: its about Sinatra. Being Frank is the most important
thing.
Sincerity is also important. "You must always be sincere even if you
don't mean it." / Benny Hill /
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I bet you always start your day with a fresh egg on your face:
http://theprudentindian.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/egg-on-face1.jpg
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Irrefutable. Ancient Greeks all ate eggs. And all of them are dead.
Tha't a 100% mortality rate from eggs. Need I say more.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Somehow I am not surprised that somebody named Makarenko loves street
urchins:
Anton Semyonovich Makarenko (Russian: Антон Семёнович Макаренко,
Bilopillia 1888- Moscow, 1939) was a Ukrainian and Soviet educator and
writer, one of the founders of the Soviet pedagogy. In the aftermath
of the Russian Revolution he established self-supporting orphanages
for street children - including juvenile delinquents - left orphaned
by the Russian Civil War. Makarenko wrote several books, of which The
Pedagogical Poem (Педагогическая поэма), a fictionalized story of the
Gorky Colony, was especially popular in the USSR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrZrdwOnO2c
Respublika SHKID(1966) - Urchin Song
Dmitry
> > . Don't even need to try, just a stink can put one off eggs for a
> > while.
>
> Don't know if you ever were to Moscow "Pekin" restaurant (at
> Mayakovskaya Square) - they had there an item which is if memory doesn't
> betrays me was called "Shanghai Egg". Sounds very close to what you
> describe.
>
> VM.
I don't think I've ever been to any restaurants in Moscow, but it is
probably the same type of eggs they serve there. I bought a pack from
Chinese supermarket out of curiosity and they all eneded up in compost
bin. I don't know how they survive eating these things - rotten eggs
aren't good for human stomach. I've heard of even worse recepie -
they keep them in a sand for long time before eating.
Vladimir Makarenko
> Bilopillia 1888- Moscow, 1939) was a Ukrainian and Soviet educator and
> writer, one of the founders of the Soviet pedagogy. In the aftermath
> of the Russian Revolution he established self-supporting orphanages
> for street children - including juvenile delinquents - left orphaned
> by the Russian Civil War. Makarenko wrote several books, of which The
> Gorky Colony, was especially popular in the USSR.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrZrdwOnO2c
> Respublika SHKID(1966) - Urchin Song
>
Here you go - nightmare of my childhood - the unfortunate last name.
You can figure out what I went through with teachers in high school.
They had his huge portrait in "Uchitel'skaya" room where they bringing
me every time to lecture how I should behave myself not to denigrate
such an important name.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
You do.
How you think Spartans beat shit out Persians? They fed them with Eggs.
VM.
Valtsu
>
> So far, Medvedev's war on corruption has not been very convincing. He
> doesn't seem to get much assistance from Poutiainen (whom the Russians
> stubbornly call Putin). On the contrary, some of the Prime Minister's
> policies may even increase corruption.
>
Oh, comrade Andersson, you got it wrong. The name is Puutiainen.
(= tick, the animal)
valtsu
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
>
> What I found amusing - both you hate Putin (and I am not)
>
I don't hate Putin. I like his foreign policy. I see him as a huge
improvement over Yeltsin. I also understand that Yeltsin's era crimes
and mismanagement, along with his blind surrender of Russia's foreign
policy interests and UN's integrity to the neo-imperialists, made
Putin's coming a necessity.
But I will never agree with Putin's anti-civil liberties policies and
vane pettiness.
>
> but you fight
> each other instead of me.
> Life is full of puzzles.
>