Latvia's Post office wouldn't commemorate Holocaust criminals?
anzau...@hotmail.com
and not the Post Ofice. Does anybody know for sure which it was? Thanks
in advance.
Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs is being extremely modest in the
statement below. For example, he says that Herberts Cukurs "took part
in the activities of the notorious Arajs Commando, which participated
in the Holocaust". Very modest and endearingly misleading! Actually,
Herberts Cukurs was much more than that. He was the deputy commandant
of Arajs Commando!
http://www.am.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/2004/september/29-4/
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic of Latvia
Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Artis Pabriks, condemns the
issuance of postal envelopes dedicated to Herberts Cukurs [29 Sep 2004]
"Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Artis Pabriks, expresses his
condemnation of the issuance of postal envelopes dedicated to Herberts
Cukurs. According to Mr Pabriks, those who produced such envelopes in
Latvia evidently do not understand the tragic history of World War II
in Latvia or in Europe.
It is important to recognize that Herberts Cukurs was ... guilty of
war crimes: during World War II, he took part in the activities of the
notorious Arajs Commando, which participated in the Holocaust and was
responsible for the killing of innocent civilians. The General
Prosecutor's Office of Latvia has twice rejected the exoneration of
Herberts Cukurs.
Mr Artis Pabriks asks the law enforcement institutions to assess the
actions and motives of those who issued the envelopes. He urges the
people of Latvia to evaluate critically the dissemination of the
envelopes and to dissociate themselves from it."
anzau...@hotmail.com
Latvian whitewash spawns anti-Semitic uproar
By HILARY LEILA KRIEGER
Israeli responses to a prominent Latvian newspaper's whitewashing of
the history of national hero Herberts Cukurs, whom the Mossad
liquidated in the 1960s for his part in the murder of Jews, has
triggered an anti-Semitic outpouring on the Internet and in the local
press.
The daily Latvijas Avize published a piece in February on the
anniversary of Cukurs's death acknowledging that the famed aviator had
"sullied his reputation" by serving as the deputy commandant of
Latvia's Arajs Kommando, which murdered tens of thousands of Jews, but
claiming that no evidence existed of his "direct participation in the
executions."
The Israeli Embassy in Latvia issued a statement that it "refutes with
indignation [the] attempt to rehabilitate the name of war criminal
Heberts Cukurs," pointing out that he volunteered to participate in the
Nazis' campaign against the Jews and "personally participated in murder
operations" in Riga's ghetto and other places.
"The publication in one of the leading newspapers in Latvia raises
concerns regarding the motives of those who try to revive Cukurs's
spirit, thus insulting not only the memory of almost 80,000 Latvian
Jews, who perished in the Holocaust, but also harms Latvia's image,
raising doubts about Latvia's commitment to cope with the Holocaust."
Additionally, Efraim Zuroff of Israel's Simon Wiesenthal Center, wrote
a column setting the record straight in the Baltic Times. The article
has since received more than 700 comments posted on the Internet, of
which many attack Jews, Israel, and Zuroff personally.
Some speak of "disgusting Jews, the personification of evil" and that,
"it's the fault of the Jews that there is such an attitude towards
them," while others singled out the Jewish state: "Israel violates
international laws and with the support of its government organizes and
carries out murders in the whole world, basing them on revenge for
World War II."
Israeli Ambassador to Latvia Gary Koren said that he considered whether
criticizing the article might invite a backlash, but felt it was
something that "couldn't be ignored."
He added that it was "encouraging" that several Internet comments had
also been positive. For instance, some people thanked Zuroff for his
article. One wrote, "We should feel ashamed for those Latvians who call
Cukurs a hero. We are ashamed that in today's Latvia there are such
people who fan the flames of national hatred."
anzau...@hotmail.com
martin
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I hope that these envelopes were issued by private Latvian businesses
> and not the Post Ofice. Does anybody know for sure which it was? Thanks
> in advance.
The envelopes were issued by some private group in Latvia.
>
> Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs is being extremely modest in the
> statement below. For example, he says that Herberts Cukurs "took part
> in the activities of the notorious Arajs Commando, which participated
> in the Holocaust". Very modest and endearingly misleading! Actually,
> Herberts Cukurs was much more than that. He was the deputy commandant
> of Arajs Commando!
What is so misleading or modest about Latvia's MFA claiming that Cukurs
"took part in the activities of the Arajs Commando"? Are you claiming
that Cukurs did not take part of these activities as deputy commandant?
What's so endearing about the claim he participated in the Holocaust?
>
> http://www.am.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/2004/september/29-4/
>
> Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic of Latvia
>
> Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Artis Pabriks, condemns the
> issuance of postal envelopes dedicated to Herberts Cukurs [29 Sep 2004]
Apparently Herberts Cukurs was a Bolshevik sympathiser in 1919.
Regards,
Martin
lora...@cs.com
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I hope that these envelopes were issued by private Latvian businesses
> and not the Post Ofice.
Private business - your concerns should be allieved.
> Does anybody know for sure which it was? Thanks
> in advance.
You're welcome.
> Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs is being extremely modest in the
> statement below. For example, he says that Herberts Cukurs "took part
> in the activities of the notorious Arajs Commando, which participated
> in the Holocaust". Very modest and endearingly misleading! Actually,
> Herberts Cukurs was much more than that. He was the deputy commandant
> of Arajs Commando!
>
> http://www.am.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/2004/september/29-4/
What's modest? The statement was correct.
> Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic of Latvia
> Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Artis Pabriks, condemns the
> issuance of postal envelopes dedicated to Herberts Cukurs [29 Sep 2004]
Not 'postal' - but private.. better get that straight.
Government officials condemn the issuance of private initiatives.
> "Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Artis Pabriks, expresses his
> condemnation of the issuance of postal envelopes dedicated to Herberts
> Cukurs. According to Mr Pabriks, those who produced such envelopes in
> Latvia evidently do not understand the tragic history of World War II
> in Latvia or in Europe.
Should be good enough for anyone, I would imagine.
> It is important to recognize that Herberts Cukurs was ...
[what did you snip out?]
> ...guilty of
> war crimes: during World War II,
Was he ever convicted in a courst of law?
> ...he took part in the activities of the
> notorious Arajs Commando, which participated in the Holocaust and was
> responsible for the killing of innocent civilians.
Was that ever proved? Just curious.
> The General
> Prosecutor's Office of Latvia has twice rejected the exoneration of
> Herberts Cukurs.
Well, that should please you. Obviously.
> Mr Artis Pabriks asks the law enforcement institutions to assess the
> actions and motives of those who issued the envelopes. He urges the
> people of Latvia to evaluate critically the dissemination of the
> envelopes and to dissociate themselves from it."
That should please you, too.
What is it then, that you are squawling about?
Just needed some filler, as per your orders from the kremlin?
lora...@cs.com
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2005/031505letters.htm
Isn't vanguard a rather unusual publication for you to be quoting from?
> Latvian whitewash spawns anti-Semitic uproar
> By HILARY LEILA KRIEGER
>
> Israeli responses to a prominent Latvian newspaper's whitewashing of
> the history of national hero Herberts Cukurs,
Who said it was a 'whitewashing'?
Who said that Cukurs (means 'Sugar') is a "national hero"?
> whom the Mossad
> liquidated in the 1960s for his part in the murder of Jews,
Is "liquidation" a legal solution?
I thought that only communist-bolsheviks "liquidated" people.
> has
> triggered an anti-Semitic outpouring on the Internet and in the local
> press.
I didn't even notice.
> The daily Latvijas Avize published a piece in February on the
> anniversary of Cukurs's death acknowledging that the famed aviator had
> "sullied his reputation" by serving as the deputy commandant of
> Latvia's Arajs Kommando, which murdered tens of thousands of Jews, but
> claiming that no evidence existed of his "direct participation in the
> executions."
And these statements evinced an "uproar"?
One has to ask why.
(The "murdered tens of thousands" statement is unproven - it remains
simply a contention by russian and similar agents)
> The Israeli Embassy in Latvia issued a statement that it "refutes with
> indignation [the] attempt to rehabilitate the name of war criminal
> Heberts Cukurs,"
Umm.. One must ask what mirages of 'rehabilitations' are being seen -
where none exist.
> ..pointing out that he volunteered to participate in the
> Nazis' campaign against the Jews and "personally participated in murder
> operations" in Riga's ghetto and other places.
That's why he has *not* been rehabilitated. The accusations lodged
against him are enough to ensure that.
> "The publication in one of the leading newspapers in Latvia raises
> concerns regarding the motives of those who try to revive Cukurs's
> spirit,
Let me understand this..
A private newspaper "acknowledging that the famed aviator had
"sullied his reputation" "
... is to be twisted into "trying to revive Cukur's spirit"!?
I think, perhaps, that some reading-for-comprehension classes might be
in order.
> ..thus insulting not only the memory of almost 80,000 Latvian
> Jews,
I thought the number was, previously, 70,000.
> ..who perished in the Holocaust, but also harms Latvia's image,
> raising doubts about Latvia's commitment to cope with the Holocaust."
More difficulties..
A private newspapers *criticism* of a person "harms Latvia's image"???
Are they nuts? Yes they are.
> Additionally, Efraim Zuroff of Israel's Simon Wiesenthal Center, wrote
> a column setting the record straight in the Baltic Times. The article
> has since received more than 700 comments posted on the Internet, of
> which many attack Jews, Israel, and Zuroff personally.
Sounds like it may have been an imflammatory article. We will never
know.
> Some speak of "disgusting Jews, the personification of evil" and that,
> "it's the fault of the Jews that there is such an attitude towards
> them,"
Just the sort of tripe that the kremlin's eager agents would be
expected to post to an open forum, of course.
> ..while others singled out the Jewish state: "Israel violates
> international laws and with the support of its government organizes and
> carries out murders in the whole world, basing them on revenge for
> World War II."
No comment.
> Israeli Ambassador to Latvia Gary Koren said that he considered whether
> criticizing the article might invite a backlash, but felt it was
> something that "couldn't be ignored."
A *criticism* of Cukurs could not be ignored...?
Then, conversely, could praise of Cukurs be expected to be ignored?
Again, the entire situation has been twisted into incomprehensibility
by the application of hyper-political-correctness.
> He added that it was "encouraging" that several Internet comments had
> also been positive.
He must be easily pleased.
> For instance, some people thanked Zuroff for his
> article. One wrote, "We should feel ashamed for those Latvians who call
> Cukurs a hero. We are ashamed that in today's Latvia there are such
> people who fan the flames of national hatred."
Posted, probably, by the same people who are proud that russians are
exterminating the Chechen nation.
lora...@cs.com
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
On-sewer,
Please do not re-post identical packs of lies, without additional
comment.
You just pollute our space.
anzau...@hotmail.com
> anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs is being extremely modest in the
> > statement below. For example, he says that Herberts Cukurs "took part
> > in the activities of the notorious Arajs Commando, which participated
> > in the Holocaust". Very modest and endearingly misleading! Actually,
> > Herberts Cukurs was much more than that. He was the deputy commandant
> > of Arajs Commando!
>
> What is so misleading or modest about Latvia's MFA claiming that Cukurs
> "took part in the activities of the Arajs Commando"? Are you claiming
> that Cukurs did not take part of these activities as deputy commandant?
Not at all. Suppose that explaining to newbies Himmler's role in the
Nazi crimes, the German Minister of Foreign Affairs wrote:
"Heinrich Himmler took part in the activities of his church's choir"'
wouldn't you say that it was misleading? Are you claiming that Himmler
did not take part of these activities as a German minister? He did! He
had a beautiful voice!
But I personally would call this misleading. In fact, defining mass
murderer Himmler by saying:
"Heinrich Himmler took part in the activities of the National Socialist
Party and SS",
would also be misleading in my book. He didn't simply "participate" in
these activities. He ordered and supervised them. He didn't just
"participate" in the Holocaust. He was the man responsible for the
Holocaust.
But then you don't understand that Cukurs and Himmler did MUCH MORE
than simply participate in their parties' "activities", do you?
You can't see my point? I for one am not going to spend the rest of my
life trying to teach you. I assure you that even modestly intelliegent
readers can see through your cheap demagoguery. It is them and not you
that I write for and to.
lora...@cs.com
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Not at all. Suppose that explaining to newbies Himmler's role in the
> Nazi crimes, the German Minister of Foreign Affairs wrote:
>
> "Heinrich Himmler took part in the activities of his church's choir"'
Just as Stalin did, of course, on-sewer.
> wouldn't you say that it was misleading? Are you claiming that Himmler
> did not take part of these activities as a German minister? He did! He
> had a beautiful voice!
Who said that? Your momma?
> But I personally would call this misleading. In fact, defining mass
> murderer Himmler by saying:
>
> "Heinrich Himmler took part in the activities of the National Socialist
> Party and SS",
Foreign Socialists, again.
Combining with another foreign socialist, Stalin, the Molotov-Ribentrop
partners succeeded in killing millions across Europe. The only
difference is that the german socialists were punished - while the
communist bolsheviks have *not* been punished.
> would also be misleading in my book. He didn't simply "participate" in
> these activities. He ordered and supervised them. He didn't just
> "participate" in the Holocaust. He was the man responsible for the
> Holocaust.
Who was? Himmler or Stalin?
> But then you don't understand that Cukurs and Himmler did MUCH MORE
> than simply participate in their parties' "activities", do you?
Yes I do. I understand that your propaganda is *so* weak that you must
settle for simply placing names side-by-side in order that some magical
osmotic besmirchment might result, thereby.
> You can't see my point?
Yes, of course. Neat chekist trick.
> I for one am not going to spend the rest of my
> life trying to teach you.
That's probably for the best because you can't teach much to your
intellectual superiors.
> I assure you that even modestly intelliegent
> readers can see through your cheap demagoguery.
True enough. We have.
It is you that is learning, now.
> It is them and not you
> that I write for and to.
While it is in your general Moskow direction that I spit.
anzau...@hotmail.com
Sadly for you, the meteorologists say that there is a very strong
westerly wind today...
Be glad that you are spitting and not pissing.
anzau...@hotmail.com
>
> Apparently Herberts Cukurs was a Bolshevik sympathiser in 1919.
So was Mussolini. What's your point? People can't change their views?
I am not going to argue with you if you insist that many Latvians were
Bolshevik sympathisers in 1917-1919 and that in 1917-1919 most of the
enemies of the Bolsheviks in the two capital cities of Russia were
exterminated by the Latvian sharpshooters.
Who can deny the absolutely crucial role of the Latvian Sharpshoter
Regiment in establishing the Communist Bolshevik power in Russia.
Latvians were by far the best and most skilled fighters that the
Bolsheviks had. They drove feear into the hearts of Russian
"capitalists" and democrats.
Dmitry
Apparently Cukurs was expelled from the Social Democrat youth group in
Liepaja in February 1919 for advocating Bolshevik propaganda. He was in
contact with Karlis Petersons, war commissar of the Latvian Bolshevik
leadership.
http://vip.latnet.lv/LPRA/fg_coup.htm
>
> Regards,
> Martin
anzau...@hotmail.com
> > http://www.am.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/2004/september/29-4/
>
> > Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Latvia
>
> > Latvia's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Artis Pabriks, condemns the
> > issuance of postal envelopes dedicated to Herberts Cukurs [29 Sep 2004]
>
> > condemnation of the issuance of postal envelopes dedicated to Herberts
> > Cukurs. According to Mr Pabriks, those who produced such envelopes in
> > Latvia evidently do not understand the tragic history of World War II
> > Cukurs was ... guilty of war crimes: during World War II,
>
> Was he ever convicted in a courst of law?
No. Neither was Hitler. Both died before a trial could be held. Hitler
killed himself. Cukurs was captured by Mossad in Argentina, who tried
to smuggle Cukurs into Israel for trial exactly like they did with
Eichmann. But they failed somehow and had to kill him in Argentina
without a trial.
In any case, I understand that the guilt of Arajs Commando in genocide
and mass murder of civilians is well proven in courts beyond any
reasonable doubt. And Cukurs the second man in commandant of Arajs
Commando.
It is my guess that's one of the reasons why the Latvian Foreign
Minister claims that Cukurs is "guilty of war crimes".
> > ...he took part in the activities of the
> > notorious Arajs Commando, which participated in the Holocaust and was
> > responsible for the killing of innocent civilians.
>
> Was that ever proved? Just curious.
>
You don't like the Latvian Foreign Minister's own words, do you?
anzau...@hotmail.com
activity?
The answer, my friend, is: spitting in the wind.
The answer is: spitting in the wind. /Pul Simon, sort of/
J. Anderson
<anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117457893.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > lora...@cs.com (Uno Ho) wrote:
> > >
> > > While it is in your general Moskow direction that I spit.
> >
> > Sadly for you, the meteorologists say that there is a very strong
> > westerly wind today...
> >
> > Be glad that you are spitting and not pissing.
Who said he's not doing both? Why do you think he's wearing his momma's
adult diapers?
> The answer, my friend, is: spitting in the wind.
> The answer is: spitting in the wind. /Pul Simon, sort of/
Actually Bob Dylan.
«Pas de deux»
news:1117449836.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
... a load of govno, Scheiß, merda, mierda, merde, skata, sűdas....
His purpose in hanging around SCB is merely to provoke and sow discord.
I urge sensible readers of SCB to ignore him, as I do.
What purpose can be served by responding to him and arguing with him?
His message is always the same: «You're a bunch of bastards and I hate
you all and I will forerver and I am teaching my chidren and
grandchildren to hate you too.»
He has monomania. Nothing is going to change his way of thinking.
Don't waste your time. It's like arguing with a Jehovah's WItness or a
hardened communist.
He is a troublemaker and attention seeker. Starve him odf attention and
he'll go away.
GK de Montréal
Martin
> life trying to teach you. I assure you that even modestly intelliegent
> readers can see through your cheap demagoguery. It is them and not you
> that I write for and to.
No, the entire newsgroup knows you to be the king of cheap demagoguery. You
made the accusation that Latvian Historians "continue their efforts to deny
and erase Nazi crimes from history books". I made a reasonable request that
you cite an instantance of a deliberate effort to deny or erase Nazi crimes
from any Latvian history book, and you respond with abuse because you have
no evidence. In fact you lied, and the whole newsgroup witnessed your lie.
Regards,
Martin
tal19...@yahoo.com
>
> <anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1117449836.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > than simply participate in their parties' "activities", do you?
>
> > life trying to teach you. I assure you that even modestly intelliegent
> > readers can see through your cheap demagoguery. It is them and not you
> > that I write for and to.
>
> No, the entire newsgroup knows you to be the king of cheap demagoguery.
> You made the accusation that Latvian Historians "continue their efforts
> to deny and erase Nazi crimes from history books".
>
and found no mention that "continue their efforts to deny and erase
Nazi crimes from history books" anywhere there. Are you sure your
brain is sharp enough that you know which thread you are in?
>
> No, the entire newsgroup knows you to be the king of cheap demagoguery.
>
messages and facts by assaiiling the character of the messenger who has
posted these facts.
And you have just proven to all the intelligent readers that you *are*
the King.
And we thank you for the entertainment, your majesty.
> Regards,
> Martin
My very best,
Michael
Martin
<tal19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1117500839.2...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > <anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1117449836.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > But then you don't understand that Cukurs and Himmler did MUCH MORE
> > > than simply participate in their parties' "activities", do you?
> >
> > > You can't see my point? I for one am not going to spend the rest of my
> > > life trying to teach you. I assure you that even modestly intelliegent
> > > readers can see through your cheap demagoguery. It is them and not you
> > > that I write for and to.
> >
> > No, the entire newsgroup knows you to be the king of cheap demagoguery.
> > You made the accusation that Latvian Historians "continue their efforts
> > to deny and erase Nazi crimes from history books".
> >
> I have looked through each and every post in this thread about Cukurs
> and found no mention that "continue their efforts to deny and erase
> Nazi crimes from history books" anywhere there. Are you sure your
> brain is sharp enough that you know which thread you are in?
You should ask that of anzaurres, who accused me of "cheap demagoguery".
Please indicate which post in this thread where I performed this act of
"cheap demagoguery" before I reminded anzaurres of his own acts of "cheap
demagoguery" in another thread.
> >
> > No, the entire newsgroup knows you to be the king of cheap demagoguery.
> >
> No, the king of demagoguery is somebody who tries to "refute" concrete
> messages and facts by assaiiling the character of the messenger who has
> posted these facts.
Exactly as anzaurres did when I reasonably asked him to substantiate his
very serious claim that Latvian Historians "continue their efforts to deny
and erase Nazi crimes from history books" in another thread. To my surprise,
anzaurres assailed my character in response, rather than provide concrete
facts that support his claim that Latvian Historians "continue their efforts
to deny and erase Nazi crimes from history books". If he cannot support that
claim, he should admit it, rather than hide behind his own demagoguery while
accusing others of the same.
Regards,
Martin
Michael
> <tal19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Martin wrote:
> >
> > > <anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1117449836.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > But then you don't understand that Cukurs and Himmler did MUCH MORE
> > > > than simply participate in their parties' "activities", do you?
> >
> > > You made the accusation that Latvian Historians "continue their efforts
> > > to deny and erase Nazi crimes from history books".
>
> > I have looked through each and every post in this thread about Cukurs
> > and found no mention that "continue their efforts to deny and erase
> > Nazi crimes from history books" anywhere there. Are you sure your
> > brain is sharp enough that you know which thread you are in?
>
>
< > No, the king of demagoguery is somebody who tries to "refute"
concrete
> > messages and facts by assaiiling the character of the messenger who has
> > posted these facts.
>
> > the King.
>
> very serious claim that Latvian Historians "continue their efforts to deny
> and erase Nazi crimes from history books" in another thread. To my surprise,
> anzaurres assailed my character in response, rather than provide concrete
> facts
You mean to tell me that there was another thread in which you were
arguing reasonably and purely substantively, but he suddenly started to
assail your character? You did nothing in that thread to assail his
character. You didn't use any terms like "deceitful demagogery" to
provoke him. He was the first one to assail your character without any
provocation on your part. Right?
Sounds promising. Let's see that thread.
Make sure to reply so that we can see that you didn't lie about this.
Martin
"Michael" <tal19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1117510991.9...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I merely pointed out that he now faced two paths: to substantiate his claims
with concrete examples of denial and erasure of Nazi crimes from Latvian
history books, or have the entire SCB readership believing him guilty of
deceitful demagoguery. He could have simply posted a reference to such an
erasure to substantiate his claim and gain respect within the newsgroup
after proving himself to be correct. But instead he chose the second path.
Regards,
Martin
Michael
> <tal19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Martin wrote:
> > > <tal19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > Martin wrote:
> > > > > <anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > demagoguery. You made the accusation that Latvian
> > > > > Historians "continue their efforts
> > > > > to deny and erase Nazi crimes from history books".
>
> > > > I have looked through each and every post in this thread about Cukurs
> > > > and found no mention that "continue their efforts to deny and erase
> > > > Nazi crimes from history books" anywhere there. Are you sure your
> > > > brain is sharp enough that you know which thread you are in?
>
> > > > > No, the entire newsgroup knows you to be the king of cheap
> > > > > demagoguery.
>
> > > > No, the king of demagoguery is somebody who tries to "refute"
> > > > concrete messages and facts by assaiiling the character of the
> > > > messenger who has posted these facts.
>
> > > substantiate his very serious claim that Latvian Historians
> > > "continue their efforts to deny
> > > and erase Nazi crimes from history books" in another thread.
> > > To my surprise, anzaurres assailed my character in response,
> > > rather than provide concrete facts
>
> > You mean to tell me that there was another thread in which you were
> > arguing reasonably and purely substantively, but he suddenly started to
> > assail your character? You did nothing in that thread to assail his
> > character. You didn't use any terms like "deceitful demagogery" to
> > provoke him. He was the first one to assail your character without any
> > provocation on your part. Right?
>
> I merely pointed out that he now faced two paths: to substantiate his claims
> with concrete examples of denial and erasure of Nazi crimes from Latvian
> history books, or have the entire SCB readership believing him guilty of
> deceitful demagoguery.
What you did was write:
>>martin wrote:
>
>>> Otherwise the entire SCB readership will believe you
>>> yourself are guilty of deceitful demagogery.
So, he replied:
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Whatever.
>
>> If you want to read what Latvian historians say about the Nazi crimes,
>> read Peteris' references.
>
>> If you think that I have said that somebody has erased some part of
>> your memory - seek help from specialists on paranoidal schizophrenia.
You two exchanged insults. You started it by indirectly implying that
he was a "deceitful demagogue". He retaliated by indirectly implying
that you a "paranoidal schizophrenic".
Neither is demagoguery per se. Insults.
But it was you who provoked him by TRUE demagoguery:
martin wrote:
> anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > I meant to say that they write NEW
> > history books and documents that deny the scope of the Nazi crimes and
> > thus erase the Nazi crimes from the people's memory.
>
> > For numerous examples of such documents, I recommend that you read
> > He diligently lists tons of such documents.
>
> You have to do better than this. Afterall, if these politicians and
> historians have have erased Nazi crimes from my memory, how can I
> assess if these documents referenced in Cedrin's posts are indeed
> revisionist?
You clearly told the readers that anzaurres1 had said that by writing
new books, Latvian historians have made it physically impossible for
you personally to remember Nazi crimes. Moreover, even if you din't
remember them, you could still "assess if these documents referenced in
Cedrin's posts are indeed revisionist" simply by searching the Internet
for materials that document Nazi crimes, couldn't you?
If this is not demagoguery - what is?
Is this what you mean when you say that you *reasonably* "asked him to
provide concrete facts" how Latvian historians made it impossible for
you to remember or find Internet documents that prove that "the
documents referenced in Cedrin's posts are indeed revisionist"?
If I were in his shoes and somebody had twisted my statement to imply
that all mentions of the Nazi crimes had been physically erased from
the whole Internet, I too would have called my opponent a "paranoidal
schizophrenic" and would have stopped any communication with him.
You clearly are the one who starts the use of demagoguery in each and
every thread that I've seen.
And you reap what you sow.
Martin
That was anzaurres' claim. His direct quote:
"I meant to say that they write NEW history books and documents that deny
the scope of the Nazi crimes and thus erase the Nazi crimes from the
people's memory"
> Moreover, even if you din't
> remember them, you could still "assess if these documents referenced in
> Cedrin's posts are indeed revisionist" simply by searching the Internet
> for materials that document Nazi crimes, couldn't you?
That is all very well and good, however, given the volumes of documented
Nazi crimes, it is incumbent upon anzaurres to identify which Latvian
history book and point to within that Latvian history book, where Nazi
crimes has been denied or erased, so that we can check and compare with the
known facts and determine if his claim that Latvian historians "continue
their efforts to deny and erase Nazi crimes from history books" is true.
>
> If this is not demagoguery - what is?
No, demagogue is "one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he
knows to be idiots." Anzaurres has demonstrated his opinion that all
readers of SCB are idiots and he is preaching the untrue doctrine that
Latvian historians "continue their efforts to deny and erase Nazi crimes
from history books".
>
> Is this what you mean when you say that you *reasonably* "asked him to
> provide concrete facts" how Latvian historians made it impossible for
> you to remember or find Internet documents that prove that "the
> documents referenced in Cedrin's posts are indeed revisionist"?
>
> If I were in his shoes and somebody had twisted my statement to imply
> that all mentions of the Nazi crimes had been physically erased from
> the whole Internet, I too would have called my opponent a "paranoidal
> schizophrenic" and would have stopped any communication with him.
Now where in my posts were any mention of "Nazi crimes had been physically
erased from the whole Internet"? The discussion was confined to Latvian
history books. Please do not twist my statements.
>
> You clearly are the one who starts the use of demagoguery in each and
> every thread that I've seen.
You have not demonstrated this.
Regards,
Martin
Martin
No, it wasn't a direct exchange, there were some posts in between. So there
is some doubt whether his insult was a result of his belief I implied he was
a "deceitful demagogue", or his insult was due to the fact that I persisted
in requesting he provide evidence of his claims, to determine their
truthfulness.
>
> Neither is demagoguery per se. Insults.
>
> But it was you who provoked him by TRUE demagoguery:
>
> martin wrote:
> > anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I meant to say that they write NEW
> > > history books and documents that deny the scope of the Nazi crimes and
> > > thus erase the Nazi crimes from the people's memory.
> >
> > > For numerous examples of such documents, I recommend that you read
> > > He diligently lists tons of such documents.
> >
> > You have to do better than this. Afterall, if these politicians and
> > historians have have erased Nazi crimes from my memory, how can I
> > assess if these documents referenced in Cedrin's posts are indeed
> > revisionist?
>
> You clearly told the readers that anzaurres1 had said that by writing
> new books, Latvian historians have made it physically impossible for
> you personally to remember Nazi crimes.
That was anzaurres' claim. His direct quote:
"I meant to say that they write NEW history books and documents that deny
the scope of the Nazi crimes and thus erase the Nazi crimes from the
people's memory".
I adopted his claim for the purposes of argument.
> Moreover, even if you din't
> remember them, you could still "assess if these documents referenced in
> Cedrin's posts are indeed revisionist" simply by searching the Internet
> for materials that document Nazi crimes, couldn't you?
That is all very well and good, however, given the volumes of documented
Nazi crimes, it is incumbent upon anzaurres to identify which Latvian
history book and point to within that Latvian history book, where Nazi
crimes has been denied or erased, so that we can check and compare with the
known facts and determine if his claim that Latvian historians "continue
their efforts to deny and erase Nazi crimes from history books" is true.
>
> If this is not demagoguery - what is?
No, demagogue is "one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he
knows to be idiots." Anzaurres has demonstrated his opinion that all
readers of SCB are idiots and he is preaching the untrue doctrine that
Latvian historians "continue their efforts to deny and erase Nazi crimes
from history books".
>
> Is this what you mean when you say that you *reasonably* "asked him to
> provide concrete facts" how Latvian historians made it impossible for
> you to remember or find Internet documents that prove that "the
> documents referenced in Cedrin's posts are indeed revisionist"?
>
> If I were in his shoes and somebody had twisted my statement to imply
> that all mentions of the Nazi crimes had been physically erased from
> the whole Internet, I too would have called my opponent a "paranoidal
> schizophrenic" and would have stopped any communication with him.
Now where in my posts were any mention of "Nazi crimes had been physically
erased from the whole Internet"? The discussion was confined to Latvian
history books. Please do not twist my statements.
>
> You clearly are the one who starts the use of demagoguery in each and
> every thread that I've seen.
You have not demonstrated this.
Regards,
Martin
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
most prominent writers on the history of the Jews in Latvia (the author
of _Ebreji Latvijā_) and an expert on inter-ethnic relations --
lavished praise on some of the historians I've recently linked to
(Stranga, Kangeris, Šneidere, Ezergailis, et al.), and on the
Historians' Commission and the Institute of History, saying that they
represent the most promising direction in historiography, tilling the
field of the Second World War and the occupation.
You can read more about these historians here (in English) --
http://www.am.gov.lv/en/news/Newsletters/History/4194/
Anzaurres was the first to use the word "demagogue" in attempts to
debate with him -- he called Andrievs Ezergailis, internationally
acknowledged as the foremost historian of the Holocaust in Latvia, a
"demagogue."
Anzaurres also liberally sprinkled his earliest posts with baseless
accusations about "pedantic Germanic minds" (which seems to be a
derogatory reference to people interested in accuracy, in Anzaurres'
usage) and "Nazi-apologists."
He entered the group under a provocative and mendacious header with a
post about a book he has not read. He continues his act -- see the
header of this thread; even the Wiesenthal Center notes at its site
that the offending envelope was issued by a "right-wing nationalist
extremist movement" and not the post office.
As far as I can tell, Anzaurres is not at all interested in debate,
much less discussion -- he's a boorish provocateur who avoids serious
issues in favor of calumny and vicious little jabs.
/P
Maris
<ced...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As far as I can tell, Anzaurres is not at all interested in debate,
>much less discussion -- he's a boorish provocateur who avoids serious
>issues in favor of calumny and vicious little jabs.
>
>/P
And he is clearly the same person as 'Michael'. Why do you
(collectively) waste your breath on him?
Maris
anzau...@hotmail.com
>
> <ced...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >As far as I can tell, Anzaurres is not at all interested in debate
>
>
You wouldn't be talking about Michael Tal from Riga, would you? He is
the only genius ever to come out of Latvia. Probably the only *truly
brilliant* man ever to come out of Latvia. All Latvian people love him
and are proud of him. Aren't you?
martin
So you are not the same person as 'Michael'?
Regards,
Martin
anzau...@hotmail.com
I'll try to answer but only after you tell me what you think of this
Michael Tal from Riga.
darsi...@comcast.net
All one has to do is look at "Michaels" posts to sci.math - where
Anzaurres posts something and the discussion is continued by "Michael".
The classic Jonnie 13 of we mix up. Michael even refers to words used
by Anzaurres as his own.
Who knows. They live in the Bay area of California. Maybe theyre "life
partners". Maybe Anzaurres takes great pleasure out of having imaginary
man friends.
Vidas
Martin
<darsi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1117930674.8...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Both Anzaurres and "Michael" post from the same identical IP address.
Regards,
Martin
«Pas de deux»
news:qssoe.2822$F7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Who knows. They live in the Bay area of California. Maybe theyre
>> "life
>> partners". Maybe Anzaurres takes great pleasure out of having
>> imaginary
>> man friends.
>
> Both Anzaurres and "Michael" post from the same identical IP address.
>
> Regards,
> Martin
In that case no need to tell him to go fuck himself. Sounds like he
already does. Hope he gives himself HIV.
anzau...@hotmail.com
>
> Who knows. They live in the Bay area of California. Maybe theyre "life
> partners". Maybe Anzaurres takes great pleasure out of having imaginary
> man friends.
>
Still having your usual unresolved sexual identity issues, Widass?
Only severe homophobes, who try to deny their own latent homosexual
tendencies, would think that all people in California are gay.
anzau...@hotmail.com
out that "Michael Tal from Riga" can't be posting articles to SCB? And
you, ignorant retards, think that Michael Tal from Riga is "imaginary"?
And in the meantime, you all were running to him for protection from
me, the big bad wolf?
Shows once again that all of you are even bigger imposters than
"Michael tal1960riga". You are dumb former KGB "stukachi", who don't
know the first thing about the the Lativan culture and who imersonate
Latvians at SCB in order to make the real Latvian people look stupid.
And still, none of you has been able tell me what you think of the
person named Michael Tal from Riga. How many hints do I have to drop
before you start suspecting a rat, morons?
In the meantime, maybe I should let my other friend, Ostap Suleiman
Bertha Maria Ibrahim-Oglu Bender-Bey, the son of a Turkish citizen,
taunt you, idiots.
martin
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> You mean to tell me that it took you clowns all these weeks to figure
> out that "Michael Tal from Riga" can't be posting articles to SCB? And
> you, ignorant retards, think that Michael Tal from Riga is "imaginary"?
>
>
> And in the meantime, you all were running to him for protection from
> me, the big bad wolf?
>
> Shows once again that all of you are even bigger imposters than
> "Michael tal1960riga". You are dumb former KGB "stukachi", who don't
> know the first thing about the the Lativan culture and who imersonate
> Latvians at SCB in order to make the real Latvian people look stupid.
>
> And still, none of you has been able tell me what you think of the
> person named Michael Tal from Riga. How many hints do I have to drop
> before you start suspecting a rat, morons?
>
> In the meantime, maybe I should let my other friend, Ostap Suleiman
> Bertha Maria Ibrahim-Oglu Bender-Bey, the son of a Turkish citizen,
> taunt you, idiots.
Well "anzaurres-Michael", I've established that your posting hosts both
share the same IP address, and it appears that this IP address belongs
to the Gateway Hospital's acute psychiatric facility in Los Angeles. I
think it is scandalous that these hospitals allow their patients access
to the internet.
Get well soon,
Martin
anzau...@hotmail.com
>
>darsi...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Who knows. They live in the Bay area of California. Maybe theyre "life
>> partners". Maybe Anzaurres takes great pleasure out of having imaginary
>> man friends.
>
> share the same IP address, and it appears that this IP address belongs
> to the Gateway Hospital's acute psychiatric facility in Los Angeles. I
> think it is scandalous that these hospitals allow their patients access
> to the internet.
>
You, morons, can't even get yuor story straight. Only a pathetic
imbecile like you, Martin, would think that Los Angeles is in the Bay
Area.
I think that when you were looking at the IP address from the "Gateway
Hospital's acute psychiatric facility in Los Angeles", you were looking
at yuor own IP address, dear Martin.
Why don't you look up some the name of some psychiatric facility in the
Bay Area and then cliam that my posts came from its IP address.
Why do I have to teach you everything, morons?
martin
IP addresses don't lie, "anzaurres-Michael", there is no such thing as
'anonymous' in this post 9/11 world. The Federal authorities have put
in place mechanisms to track people like you. We know how to find out
who you are.
Regards,
Martin
Maris
There have been plenty of other geniuses coming out of Latvia. I could
mention Isaiah Berlin. He was Jewish too. Surprised you forgot about
him since you are clearly rather Jewish focussed, Michael.
Maris
«Pas de deux»
news:psl5a1tabqigi5poq...@4ax.com...
Hey, Maris - is this an example of your deep and meaningful
contributions?
1. Did "Isaiah Berlin" (now there's real Latvian name!) give a shit
about Latvia? Did he speak Latvian? Did he ever call himeself a
Latvian, even once?
(Al Joelson was born in Lithuania. Big deal! Who cares? Least
of all - he or his descendants.)
2. Genius? He and you? Since when is being recognised by the pop
industry and selling a few records considered to be a mark of genius?
Next you'll be claiming that Michael Jackson is a genius. And maybe of
Latvian background too?
GK de Montréal
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
The genius being referred to is Mikhail Tal -- a chess player, not a
singer. Tal edited _Šahs_ for over a decade, so I assume he knew
Latvian quite well. You can see one of his best games here --
http://www.latchess.lv/lv/hall/2005/04/01/hall_4.html?template=23
Sir Isaiah Berlin's father was a trader in wood (and a member of the
Guild). The family left Latvia during the war, returning in 1920 and
then emigrating to England. Isaiah was a child. What he witnessed of
revolution strongly affected his philosophy.
Such connections are necessarily tenuous; that doesn't mean they're not
important to us. The Eisensteins, both the father and the famous
filmmaker, remain a significant topic in Latvian cultural history
(though Sergei was thrilled by the invasion).
His father's incredible architecture endures -- in fact, the best
examples are in the very street where Isaiah Berlin was born. A plaque
commemorates his birth.
You may not have a statue to Jolson in Seredžius -- but here in
Daugavpils we recently erected a sculpture in honor of Mark Rothko,
another Jewish genius from Latvia before there was a Latvia. He also
was born here and left as a child -- his only memories were of death
and violence, and perhaps the river. As far as his descendants, they
were delighted to attend the centenary of his birth, and the result was
the most important cultural event this town has seen in a long time,
which is still bearing fruit --
Daugavpils (Dvinsk, Borisoglebsk, Duenaburg, etc.) is not just a
Latvian city but was part of the Pale of Settlement; it history has
mostly been written in Russian by Jews.
Rīga was a center of German and Russian culture -- architectural
influences crossed ethnic lines, and the "Latvian school" in chess
crosses those boundaries as easily as musicians and sportsmen do.
Oļegs Maļuhins runs a shop here in town, besides training athletes,
and he speaks fluent Latvian in his shop. Two of Latvia's greatest
writers helped produce the new dictionary of Romany. The Russian
philosopher Piatigorsky has what could already be called a school in
Rīga.
At least in Latvia, there's a lot of interest in _everything_ that
flourishes here, and in what once flourished -- not just ethnic Latvian
culture.
Latvian culture isn't provincial. In my experience, neither is
Lithuanian culture.
/P
lora...@cs.com
Peteris Cedrinš (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> Everybody needs "Latvian names" now, Gintai?
>
> The genius being referred to is Mikhail Tal -- a chess player, not a
> singer. Tal edited _Ðahs_ for over a decade, so I assume he knew
> Latvian quite well. You can see one of his best games here --
Never heard of him.
> Sir Isaiah Berlin's father was a trader in wood (and a member of the
> Guild). The family left Latvia during the war, returning in 1920 and
> then emigrating to England. Isaiah was a child. What he witnessed of
> revolution strongly affected his philosophy.
Hopefully for the better.
> Such connections are necessarily tenuous; that doesn't mean they're not
> important to us. The Eisensteins, both the father and the famous
> filmmaker, remain a significant topic in Latvian cultural history
> (though Sergei was thrilled by the invasion).
Who are 'the Eisensteins'?
> His father's incredible architecture endures -- in fact, the best
> examples are in the very street where Isaiah Berlin was born. A plaque
> commemorates his birth.
Any relation to Irving?
> You may not have a statue to Jolson in Seredþius -- but here in
> Daugavpils we recently erected a sculpture in honor of Mark Rothko,
> another Jewish genius from Latvia before there was a Latvia. He also
> was born here and left as a child -- his only memories were of death
> and violence, and perhaps the river.
Never heard of him, either.
> As far as his descendants, they
> were delighted to attend the centenary of his birth, and the result was
> the most important cultural event this town has seen in a long time,
> which is still bearing fruit --
What fruits?
> Daugavpils (Dvinsk, Borisoglebsk, Duenaburg, etc.) is not just a
> Latvian city but was part of the Pale of Settlement; it history has
> mostly been written in Russian by Jews.
And way, way, before that recent history of invasions - it was simply
the Latvian kingdom of Tervete.
> Rîga was a center of German and Russian culture -- architectural
> influences crossed ethnic lines,
Latvian lines.
> ..and the "Latvian school" in chess
> crosses those boundaries as easily as musicians and sportsmen do.
I play chess too.
> Oïegs Maïuhins runs a shop here in town, besides training athletes,
> and he speaks fluent Latvian in his shop.
Never heard of him either.
> Two of Latvia's greatest
> writers helped produce the new dictionary of Romany.
Never heard of them either - although thankfully you don't even mention
their names.
> The Russian
> philosopher Piatigorsky has what could already be called a school in
> Rîga.
And what about his momma's famous borsht factory?
> At least in Latvia, there's a lot of interest in _everything_ that
> flourishes here, and in what once flourished -- not just ethnic Latvian
> culture.
That's seems to be the case - as you never mention anything Latvian
anyway.
> Latvian culture isn't provincial. In my experience, neither is
> Lithuanian culture.
> /P
Illegal foreign invasions have a way of internationalising everything;
by cattle cars and mass population transfers. Bad stuff in every case.
PS: You forgot all about the convicted red partisan Kononov. When does
he get a plaque?
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
lora...@cs.com wrote:
> Never heard of them
...of pretty much everything and everyone. I hardly expected you to
have heard of anything, Hui. Between _burtnieki_ and the massacre at
Preiļi, _zeļļi_ and the lats-to-dollar rate, you long ago
demonstrated that you know next to nothing about Latvia.
/P
lora...@cs.com
Peteris Cedrinš (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> lora...@cs.com wrote:
>
> > Never heard of them
> ...of pretty much everything and everyone. I hardly expected you to
> have heard of anything, Hui. Between _burtnieki_ and the massacre at
> Preiïi, _zeïïi_ and the lats-to-dollar rate, you long ago
> demonstrated that you know next to nothing about Latvia.
> /P
You are way too obvious and too selective in your pursuits, peetey.
You are also, obviously, way too attached to comrade hole-man of the
Hydra brotherhood of Helsinkii. Somwhere about the neck.
Now straighten yer temple garments up and start that red Gramaphone all
over again.
anzau...@hotmail.com
Maris, I am not Jewish focussed. it's not my fault that the most famous
people from Latvia are Jewish, is it? Nor am I Michael. He is. Please
don't spoil my fun. These clowns REALLY haven't heard of Michael Tal
from Riga.
Joking aside, you realize what it means, don't you? That these morons
are indeed impostors who don't know anything about the Latvian culture
and life.
anzau...@hotmail.com
«Pas de deux» wrote:
> "Maris" <lat...@london.com> wrote in message
> news:psl5a1tabqigi5poq...@4ax.com...
> > On 3 Jun 2005 23:05:02 -0700, anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>Maris wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <ced...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >As far as I can tell, Anzaurres is not at all interested in debate
> >>>
> >>> And he is clearly the same person as 'Michael'.
> >>>
> >>
> >>You wouldn't be talking about Michael Tal from Riga, would you? He is
> >>the only genius ever to come out of Latvia. Probably the only *truly
> >>brilliant* man ever to come out of Latvia. All Latvian people love him
> >>and are proud of him. Aren't you?
>
> > There have been plenty of other geniuses coming out of Latvia. I could
> > mention Isaiah Berlin. He was Jewish too. Surprised you forgot about
> > him since you are clearly rather Jewish focussed, Michael.
>
> Hey, Maris - is this an example of your deep and meaningful
> contributions?
>
> 1. Did "Isaiah Berlin" (now there's real Latvian name!)
Nice touch. Glad that it is I whom "Pas" accused of "racism" when I
tried to defend Asian people.
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
>
> Peteris Cedrinš (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
>
> > Everybody needs "Latvian names" now, Gintai?
> >
> > The genius being referred to is Mikhail Tal -- a chess player, not a
> > singer. Tal edited _Ðahs_ for over a decade, so I assume he knew
> > Latvian quite well. You can see one of his best games here --
>
> Never heard of him.
>
That's because you are not a Latvian. I repeat: Tal is undoubtably the
most famous Latvian figure of the second half of the 20th century.
Every single person in Latvia knows of him many times over.
Why are you so prod of admitting that you are neither Latvian nor know
anything about the Latvian culture, moron?
You are not even a KGB agent because all KGB agents play chess and know
of the most famous World Chess Champions.
http://kurier.karelia.ru/archive/issue197/society/10/view3308.html
The longer we remember a human being, the longer he lives among us.
This is true both of the mortals like you and me and the Immortals, the
geniuses of the Human Race, like Michelangelo and Michael Tal.
I haven't been to Riga for 10 years, since the day we folowed Michael
on his last journey up Brivibas to the Jewish cemetary Smerli. That was
on July 2 1992 in the capital of the independent Latvia, but he had
died on June 28 in a hospital in Moscow.
On the 10th of August at the offical opening of THE MONUMENT TO MICHAEL
TAL IN THE CENTER OF RIGA, the World Champion Spassky said: "Tal was
like the second coming of Christ".
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jollian/NILatvia.html
Worldwide STAMP New Issues - Latvia.
2001, August 18. Chess. Miniature sheet.
Portrait of MIHAILS TALS(chess player) and scenes.
http://www.booksunderreview.com/Games/Video_Games/Strategy/Real-Time/Sacrifice/Sacrifice_6.html
Tal has been called the Magician from Riga
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-Latvians
This is a list of famous Latvians
...
Mikhail Tal (1936-1992) - the 8th World Chess Champion
Guntis Ulmanis (1939) - President
...
Tal Quotes:
"If you wait for luck to turn up, life becomes very boring."
"There are two types of sacrifices - sound ones and mine."
"Chess is better than checkers. In the very least it has a more
interesting cast of characters."
>
> > Such connections are necessarily tenuous; that doesn't mean they're not
> > important to us. The Eisensteins, both the father and the famous
> > filmmaker, remain a significant topic in Latvian cultural history
> > (though Sergei was thrilled by the invasion).
>
> Who are 'the Eisensteins'?
>
> Any relation to Irving?
>
You ARE AMAZING in your ignorance of Latvia and Riga. Truly amazing!
Hobos in Vladivostok know 100 times more about the Latvian culture than
you, moron.
You have never been to Riga, have you, stukach?
http://www.inyourpocket.com/latvia/riga/en/venue?id=LARIENW0072
Essential Riga - Art Nouveau Architecture (Jugendstil)
Visit the biggest gallery of Art Nouveau architecture by Russian
architect Mikhail Eisenstein. A definite must! Of particular interest
is the house at Strçlnieku 4a. Nearly 40% of buildings in the centre
of Riga were built in this flamboyant style.
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/eworldguides/sightseeing/riga_sightseeing.html?part=attractions
City Guides - Riga
Key Attractions
Riga quite simply has the finest and most comprehensive range of Art
Nouveau architecture in Europe. These apartments were designed by
Mikhail Eisenstein, whose work can also be viewed at Alberta iela.
http://www.travelforthearts.co.uk/html/tours_05/tours_riga_festival.htm
Morning departure on an introductory tour of Riga. Walk through the
charming cobbled streets and observe the wealth of Gothic and Baroque
buildings as well as the Art Nouveau archtecture designed by the
Russian architect, Mikhail Eisenstein. Pause at the Dome Cathedral and
see the organ made up of an astonishing 6,768 pipes.
http://www.baltic.ws/latvia/Rigacity.html
RIGA CITY (1989 pop. 915,000), capital of LATVIA, north-central Europe,
on the Daugava River
The best known is Alberta Street designed by M.Eisenstein (father of a
worldwide famous film director Sergey Eisenstein) - this is a real
carnival of architecture."
http://www.homevideo.net/FIRM/archives/arch41.htm
p. 10, Eisenstein's father: "famous Riga architect." p.19, "Mikhail
Osipovich [Eisenstein's father] was a powerful, stocky man with a
Kaiser Wilhelm moustache, who came from a family of German-Jewish
origin which had been baptised and assimilated into Russian society."
OK, you know nothing about Latvia and Riga. We knew that. But you also
manage to take pride in knowing anything about arts in general and
cinema in particular.
Sergei Mikhailovich Eisenstein - the son of the archtect - is THE MOST
FAMOUS MOVIE DIRECTOR IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. I won't even give
you any links on that. Too many. Probably more than on Charlie Chaplin.
Of course, the cinema's best known Top Ten survey is conducted by Sight
and Sound every 10 years.
http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/top_tens/surveys.html
Of course, the cinema's best known Top Ten survey is conducted by Sight
and Sound every 10 years
The 2002 poll results are thus:
[ © British Film Institute/Sight and Sound 2002 ]
The top directors that the critics voted for were: Welles, Hitchcock,
Godard, Renoir, Kubrick, Kurosawa, Fellini, Ford, Eisenstein, Coppola,
Ozu.
http://www.cinepad.com/awards/ss.htm
Sight & Sound International Critics Poll
Critics' top directors (1992)
Orson Welles Jean Renoir Jean-Luc Godard Alfred Hitchcock Charles
Chaplin John Ford Satjayit Ray Yasujiro Ozu Carl Theodor Dreyer
Sergei Eisenstein
Directors' top films
1) Citizen Kane Orson Welles, 1941 (32 votes) US
2) The Rules of the Game Jean Renoir, 1939 (28) FR
3) Battleship Potemkin Sergei Eisenstein, 1925 (16) USSR
What a fine specimen you are, Hui. And what an appropriate name you
chose for yourself. And we all know what kind of specimens one gets
from "huis".
> > His father's incredible architecture endures -- in fact, the best
> > examples are in the very street where Isaiah Berlin was born. A plaque
> > commemorates his birth.
>
> > Daugavpils (Dvinsk, Borisoglebsk, Duenaburg, etc.) is not just a
> > Latvian city but was part of the Pale of Settlement; it history has
> > mostly been written in Russian by Jews.
>
That's the city where my grandma was born.
>
> > Oïegs Maïuhins runs a shop here in town, besides training athletes,
> > and he speaks fluent Latvian in his shop.
>
> Never heard of him either.
>
What else is new?
>
> And what about his momma's famous borsht factory?
>
> you never mention anything Latvian anyway.
>
I apologize in advance for I and Peteris interrupting your incessant
poltical discussions as to how to shit on Russia here at
soc.culture.baltics with this disruptive post about the Baltic culture.
My very best,
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
>
> IP addresses don't lie, "anzaurres-Michael", there is no such thing as
> 'anonymous' in this post 9/11 world. The Federal authorities have put
> in place mechanisms to track people like you. We know how to find out
> who you are.
>
You clowns can't even find out who Mihails Tals and the Eisensteins
are.
Eugene Holman
lora...@cs.com wrote:
> Peteris Cedrin=9A (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> > lora...@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > > Never heard of them
>
> > ...of pretty much everything and everyone. I hardly expected you to
> > have heard of anything, Hui. Between _burtnieki_ and the massacre at
> > Prei=EFi, _ze=EF=EFi_ and the lats-to-dollar rate, you long ago
> > demonstrated that you know next to nothing about Latvia.
> > /P
>
> You are way too obvious and too selective in your pursuits, peetey.
> You are also, obviously, way too attached to comrade hole-man of the
> Hydra brotherhood of Helsinkii. Somwhere about the neck.
Peteris is in Daugavpils, I am several hundred kilometers away in Helsinki.
> Now straighten yer temple garments up and start that red Gramaphone all
> over again.
Garlaicīgs nejźga!
\EH
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
>
> IP addresses don't lie, "anzaurres-Michael", there is no such thing as
> 'anonymous' in this post 9/11 world. The Federal authorities have put
> in place mechanisms to track people like you. We know how to find out
> who you are.
>
OK. So you've finally figured my real name out. Big deal.
lora...@cs.com
No, that's not it at all..
It's more like; 'Who cares?' and 'Why should we?'
Should someone be elated that some wisenstein produced propganda flicks
following Stalin's personal script modifications?
I don't think so.
And if I were you, I wouldn't try to publicize something like that
anyhow.
Being a lackey for a russian genocider doesn't do anything good for
anyone's CV, ya know.
Eugene Holman
A. Kalashnikov" <anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> lora...@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > Peteris Cedrin=9A (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> >
> > > Everybody needs "Latvian names" now, Gintai?
> > >
> > > The genius being referred to is Mikhail Tal -- a chess player, not a
> > > singer. Tal edited _=D0ahs_ for over a decade, so I assume he knew
> > > Latvian quite well. You can see one of his best games here --
> >
> > Never heard of him.
> >
>
> That's because you are not a Latvian. I repeat: Tal is undoubtably the
> most famous Latvian figure of the second half of the 20th century.
> Every single person in Latvia knows of him many times over.
>
> Why are you so prod of admitting that you are neither Latvian nor know
> anything about the Latvian culture, moron?
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Thank you for providing additional proof that Uno Hu[i] is a nejęga's nejęga.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
lora...@cs.com
Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <1117996410.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> lora...@cs.com wrote:
>
> > Peteris Cedrin=9A (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> > > ...of pretty much everything and everyone. I hardly expected you to
> > > have heard of anything, Hui. Between _burtnieki_ and the massacre at
> > > Prei=EFi, _ze=EF=EFi_ and the lats-to-dollar rate, you long ago
> > > demonstrated that you know next to nothing about Latvia.
> > > /P
> >
> > You are way too obvious and too selective in your pursuits, peetey.
> > You are also, obviously, way too attached to comrade hole-man of the
> > Hydra brotherhood of Helsinkii. Somwhere about the neck.
>
> Peteris is in Daugavpils, I am several hundred kilometers away in Helsinki.
Hell.. who knows where the puck your might be sending from.
The internet is global, after all..
> > Now straighten yer temple garments up and start that red Gramaphone all
> > over again.
>
> Garlaicîgs nejêga!
> \EH
Idiot,hole-man. I have already told you that your attempted usage of
Latvian in the above manner is incorrect (does not make sense/wrong).
Don't be such a dumbass.
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
> Eugene Holman wrote:
>
> > Peteris is in Daugavpils, I am several hundred kilometers away in Helsinki.
>
> Hell.. who knows where the puck your might be sending from.
> The internet is global, after all..
>
Not according to Matin. He claims that he can trace, find and harass
any Usenet poster he wants.
lora...@cs.com
Uzi A. Kalashnikov wrote:
> lora...@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > Peteris Cedrinš (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> > > Everybody needs "Latvian names" now, Gintai?
> > >
> > > The genius being referred to is Mikhail Tal -- a chess player, not a
> > > singer. Tal edited _Ðahs_ for over a decade, so I assume he knew
> > > Latvian quite well. You can see one of his best games here --
> >
> > Never heard of him.
> >
> That's because you are not a Latvian.
Incorrect. What you are, I have no idea of (although you also seem to
be another kremlin puppet) - but I know I am Latvian.
> I repeat: Tal is undoubtably the
What do you mean; "I repeat.."?
You never stated anything about that Tals guy previously - only
'peetey' did.
Are you now stating that you are 'peetey' in mufti?
> most famous Latvian figure of the second half of the 20th century.
"Most famous Latvian figure... 20th century" ??????
You are very insane, aren't you?
> Every single person in Latvia knows of him many times over.
Not me.. and I even used to play chess.
I even beat a so-called chess 'master' during a computer system
down-time.
Perhaps your inhabited world is rather small(?)
> Why are you so prod of admitting that you are neither Latvian nor know
> anything about the Latvian culture, moron?
I'm not proud of your lies - I guess that's why.
Because I am a Latvian and I know a whole hell lot more about it than
any Moskow puppet does. More than you, chapchuk.
> You are not even a KGB agent because all KGB agents play chess and know
> of the most famous World Chess Champions.
Life must be boring in russia.
Sounds like they suffer yet more psychosis. The chess master I beat
certainly went ballistic; speed walking up and down the room and
muttering to himself.
I thought it was somewhat funny.
> The longer we remember a human being, the longer he lives among us.
> This is true both of the mortals like you and me and the Immortals, the
> geniuses of the Human Race, like Michelangelo and Michael Tal.
You can stuff your Tal wherever you wish, but he doesn't even appear on
my radar screen.
Them's the breaks, eh? Sorry.
> I haven't been to Riga for 10 years, since the day we folowed Michael
> on his last journey up Brivibas to the Jewish cemetary Smerli. That was
> on July 2 1992 in the capital of the independent Latvia, but he had
> died on June 28 in a hospital in Moscow.
His last mistake; 'The Moskow Hospital Gambit'?
> On the 10th of August at the offical opening of THE MONUMENT TO MICHAEL
> TAL IN THE CENTER OF RIGA, the World Champion Spassky said: "Tal was
> like the second coming of Christ".
That's downright blasphemous. Wash your mouth out.
> Tal Quotes:
> "If you wait for luck to turn up, life becomes very boring."
> "There are two types of sacrifices - sound ones and mine."
> "Chess is better than checkers. In the very least it has a more
> interesting cast of characters."
That last bit has much truth, for sure.
> > > Such connections are necessarily tenuous; that doesn't mean they're not
> > > important to us. The Eisensteins, both the father and the famous
> > > filmmaker, remain a significant topic in Latvian cultural history
> > > (though Sergei was thrilled by the invasion).
> >
> > Who are 'the Eisensteins'?
> >
> > Any relation to Irving?
> You ARE AMAZING in your ignorance of Latvia and Riga. Truly amazing!
> Hobos in Vladivostok know 100 times more about the Latvian culture than
> you, moron.
There it is, again..
Your universe must be extremely small. Things might exist outside of
its squared cubit.
> You have never been to Riga, have you, stukach?
Don't call me names, russian. It's not nice, and certainly no way to
influence normal people.
> Essential Riga - Art Nouveau Architecture (Jugendstil)
>
> Visit the biggest gallery of Art Nouveau architecture by Russian
> architect Mikhail Eisenstein.
Oh, you mean 'Art Noveau'!
The same as was widespread across all of Europe - and not imported from
russia at all.
Even though your personal achitect might have been...
> A definite must! Of particular interest
> is the house at Strçlnieku 4a. Nearly 40% of buildings in the centre
> of Riga were built in this flamboyant style.
I wouldn't suggest any tiscali site, as I too often encounter malware
there, too.
> Riga quite simply has the finest and most comprehensive range of Art
> Nouveau architecture in Europe. These apartments were designed by
> Mikhail Eisenstein, whose work can also be viewed at Alberta iela.
He designed them all, then?
Very prodigious fellow it seems. Wonders never cease.
> Morning departure on an introductory tour of Riga. Walk through the
> charming cobbled streets and observe the wealth of Gothic and Baroque
> buildings as well as the Art Nouveau archtecture designed by the
> Russian architect, Mikhail Eisenstein. Pause at the Dome Cathedral and
> see the organ made up of an astonishing 6,768 pipes.
I don't think that your personal architect had anything to do with the
Cathedral or its musical infrastructure, unless he had a time machine
and extended life support machinery. The cathedral was built centuries
ago. So was the organ.
> RIGA CITY (1989 pop. 915,000), capital of LATVIA, north-central Europe,
> on the Daugava River
Don't waste space pasting commonplace information. It doesn't impress
anyone.
> The best known is Alberta Street designed by M.Eisenstein (father of a
> worldwide famous film director Sergey Eisenstein) - this is a real
> carnival of architecture."
> http://www.homevideo.net/FIRM/archives/arch41.htm
I see..
The senior built russian imperial colonial edifaces, while junior
crafted russian homeland propaganda for Stalin.
How nice!
> p. 10, Eisenstein's father: "famous Riga architect." p.19, "Mikhail
> Osipovich [Eisenstein's father] was a powerful, stocky man with a
> Kaiser Wilhelm moustache, who came from a family of German-Jewish
> origin which had been baptised and assimilated into Russian society."
German colonial links too, I see.
And why not - they both merged under the Molotov-Ribentrop monstrosity
later, anyway.
> OK, you know nothing about Latvia and Riga. We knew that.
Maybe your momma has led you astray? It is you that knows nothing. And
it shows.
The only thing you know is how to make a russian fool of yourself.
> But you also
> manage to take pride in knowing anything about arts in general and
> cinema in particular.
Wrong. I knew that Eisenstein junior made propganda epics for Stalin -
even while you didn't.
> Sergei Mikhailovich Eisenstein - the son of the archtect - is THE MOST
> FAMOUS MOVIE DIRECTOR IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
Where? In Ulan Bator? Hahahhaha..
> I won't even give
> you any links on that.
Thanks, a million times..
> Probably more than on Charlie Chaplin.
Impossible.
> Of course, the cinema's best known Top Ten survey is conducted by Sight
> and Sound every 10 years.
> http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/top_tens/surveys.html
Please, keep your screwy polls to yourself.
> The top directors that the critics voted for were: Welles, Hitchcock,
> Godard, Renoir, Kubrick, Kurosawa, Fellini, Ford, Eisenstein, Coppola,
> Ozu.
Kubrik and Kurosawa were good. The rest are just not up to snuff - or
are over-rated.
Fellini is a plastic joke. Coppola is exploding ketchup. And Eisenstein
was a communist propagandist personally serving a genocider who killed
60 million people. Not good. The worst.
> What a fine specimen you are, Hui. And what an appropriate name you
> chose for yourself. And we all know what kind of specimens one gets
> from "huis".
I never did that, silly!
My moniker is simply 'Hu', Uno Hu, in spite of whatever your momma
might have talked about instead.
> > > His father's incredible architecture endures -- in fact, the best
> > > examples are in the very street where Isaiah Berlin was born. A plaque
> > > commemorates his birth.
'Incredible' is right; time machines do not yet exist.
> That's the city where my grandma was born.
That's the city where my family lived.
> > > Oïegs Maïuhins runs a shop here in town, besides training athletes,
> > > and he speaks fluent Latvian in his shop.
> >
> > Never heard of him either.
>
> What else is new?
Ok, tell us all about that unknown too. We eagerly await new epics.
This one can actually speak *Latvian* - in Latvia. That's amazing isn't
it?
> I apologize in advance for I and Peteris interrupting your incessant
> poltical discussions as to how to shit on Russia here at
> soc.culture.baltics with this disruptive post about the Baltic culture.
> My very best,
> Uzi A. Kalashnikov
Speaking of defecations, Uzi..
Have you checked your own pantaloons recently?
Eugene Holman
lora...@cs.com wrote:
<deletions>
>
> Idiot,hole-man. I have already told you that your attempted usage of
> Latvian in the above manner is incorrect (does not make sense/wrong).
>
> Don't be such a dumbass.
Tu esi neinteresants un garlaicîks cilvęks.
\EH
Eugene Holman
Tu esi neinteresants un garlaicīgs cilvźks.
\EH
martin
Oh my god, what a psycho, now "anzaurres/Michael/Kalashnikov" is
claiming to be Eisensteins. Never heard of a "Mihails Tals", is he the
psychiatic nurse who give you your medication every morning?
Regards,
Martin
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
morons who know nothing about Latvia but who try to make real Latvians
look bad.
The clown below can't even read the other posts in this very thread.
martin wrote:
> Uzi A. Kalashnikov wrote:
>
> > You clowns can't even find out who Mihails Tals and the Eisensteins
> > are.
>
> Oh my god, what a psycho, now "anzaurres/Michael/Kalashnikov" is
> claiming to be Eisensteins. Never heard of a "Mihails Tals", is he the
> psychiatic nurse who give you your medication every morning?
>
> Regards,
> Martin
My very best,
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
discussions with this guy, right?
Eugene Holman
> Eugene Holman wrote:
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> >
> > Garlaicīgs nejźga!
> > \EH
>
> Idiot,hole-man. I have already told you that your attempted usage of
> Latvian in the above manner is incorrect (does not make sense/wrong).
It has been proven time and time again that anything that you tell anyone
about Latvian is wrong.
> Don't be such a dumbass.
Speak for yourself, garlaicīg nejźga. The organ that determines *my*
intelligence resides in a different part of my anatomy.
\EH
Maris
<anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You are not even a KGB agent because all KGB agents play chess and know
>of the most famous World Chess Champions.
>
Hmm, that's some claim. Maybe you have insider information.
>
>I haven't been to Riga for 10 years, since the day we folowed Michael
>on his last journey up Brivibas to the Jewish cemetary Smerli. That was
>on July 2 1992 in the capital of the independent Latvia, but he had
>died on June 28 in a hospital in Moscow.
>
I seem to recall that he died only days after Latvia's internationally
renowned film director, Juris Podnieks' body was found in Usma's
Ezers.
>
>This is a list of famous Latvians
>...
>Mikhail Tal (1936-1992) - the 8th World Chess Champion
>Guntis Ulmanis (1939) - President
>...
>
Hmm, wasn't aware that Guntis Ulmanis aka 'Rumpitis' was a famous
Latvian.
Maris
Maris
From your totally disconnected blathering I should be most surprised
if your IQ exceeded 1. You have redneck written all over you, I'm
afraid. You seem to have been totally incapable of understanding the
point of my comment above but then I've noticed that tendency in you
before, where it concerns other postings
Maris of London UK.
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Ooh, those horrid imperial colonial "edifaces" [sic] -- would you
rather go back to living in hovels, Hui?
No, Eisenstein definitely did not design all of the buildings -- and
no, Jugendstil in Rīga is not the same as it is "all across Europe";
it branched off into a completely unique style of national romanticism.
There were many remarkable ethnic Latvian architects as well -- Laube
designed over 200 buildings during his career (which reached into
visionary functionalism), Pēkšēns 250. Influences came from many
founts -- Laube studied in Finland in 1904, for example.
Here is a page with some fantastic photographs of Alberta iela --
http://ai1.mii.lu.lv/kultura/lkpar21.htm
The buildings in Alberta iela were obviously mostly inhabited by the
wealthy, most of whom weren't Latvian -- but by no means exclusively
so. Pēkšēns lived and worked there. Rozentāls lived their with his
wife, known as the singer Elli Forsell. Rūdolfs Blaumanis lived there
for a time. It was a center for Latvian culture. Mayakovsky read poetry
there.
You're forgetting (or fail to realize) that a significant Latvian
bourgeoisie rose in the latter half of the 19th C -- Pēkšēns
designed Berga bazārs for Kristaps Bergs (born Kalniņš); he is the
hero of the monumental novel _Rīga_ by Deglavs. His son Arveds was a
publicist who later led the arch-conservative _berģisti_. Kristaps
organized the very first performance of a Latvian play in 1868 ("Žūpu
Bērtulis").
His grandson Justs Nikolajs Karlsons is now the third richest person in
Latvia, and Berga bazārs has been lovingly restored. It now contains
the studio of Zaiga Gaile (wife of the former Prime Minister), who has
done incalculable work in saving wooden architecture in Rīga (Rīga is
among the few large urban areas with many such buildings).
The new Hotel Bergs is one of the top boutique hotels in the world --
http://www.hotelbergs.com/eng/bb/
> > p. 10, Eisenstein's father: "famous Riga architect." p.19, "Mikhail
> > Osipovich [Eisenstein's father] was a powerful, stocky man with a
> > Kaiser Wilhelm moustache, who came from a family of German-Jewish
> > origin which had been baptised and assimilated into Russian society."
>
> German colonial links too, I see.
> And why not - they both merged under the Molotov-Ribentrop monstrosity
> later, anyway.
You are such a brain dead little bastard, Hui. German links are
everywhere in Latvia -- everything is linked, and understanding the
links rather than crying incessantly about foreign invaders is the only
way to understand Latvia.
Pēkšēns was the first Latvian architect to graduate from the
Polytechnic -- who do you think built the Polytechnic, now the
University, Hui?
Maļuhins became the European champion of the 10 km sprint biathlon in
2002. I would remind you that a large number of Latvia's sports figures
aren't ethnic Latvians (which makes the cries against "fascists" in St.
Petersburg especially ridiculous). The same goes for every other field.
Gidon Kremer, for example, has received the Order of Three Stars and
the highest accolades in the music world -- Kremerata Baltica gets
funding from the Latvian, Estonian, and Lithuanian ministries of
culture.
Jāzeps Vītols, the great figure in Latvian music, studied under
Rimsky-Korsakov and taught Prokofiev. Vītols founded the
Conservatoire; Laube, the first Latvian architect to graduate from the
Polytechnic, was one of the founders of the University -- dean of
architecture, he later became rector.
Anzaurres made the amusing comment that bomzh in Vladivostok may know
more about Latvia than you do. That calls to mind the fact that the
first Vice-Rector of the University of Latvia, Pēteris Šmits, came to
the University from... da, the Eastern Institute of Vladivostok, where
he had taught Mandarin and Cantonese for two decades; before then, he
taught Russian in Beijing.
Bubble on about evil foreign influences, Hui. You are indeed an evil
foreign influence, Hoosier.
Vysu lobu,
/P
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Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> Rozentāls lived their with his
> wife, known as the singer Elli Forsell.
.
Erratum -- should be: "Rozentāls lived there with his wife, known in
Finland as the singer Elli Forsell."
.
Eugene,
You can write "tu esi garlaicīgs nejēga," but in the construction
"Garlaicīgs nejēga!" you must use the definite suffix --
"Garlaicīgais nejēga!"
Regards,
/P
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Uzi A. Kalashnikov wrote:
> Peteris, you did tell me once that you like having intellectual
> discussions with this guy, right?
Oh, it's almost as tragicomical as trying to have an intellectual
discussion with you, Anzuarres. You're even switching fake identities
at better than Huish speed.
/P
Eugene Holman
"=?windows-1257?q?P=E7teris_Cedri=F2=F0_(Peteris_Cedrins)?="
<ced...@gmail.com> wrote:
> P=E7teris Cedri=F2=F0 (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
>
> > Rozent=E2ls lived their with his
> > wife, known as the singer Elli Forsell.
>
> .
>
> Erratum -- should be: "Rozent=E2ls lived there with his wife, known in
> Finland as the singer Elli Forsell."
Thabks for this information. There is a Rozentāls Society in Finland that
promotes Latvian culture. You didn't spend enough time in Helsinki to
really explore it thoroughly, but we have entire city blocks of Art
Nouveau architecture [e.g. http://www.publiscan.fi/re15f-9.htm, see
http://www.photofora.com/eugene/Jan2003/helsingfors03/pages/katajaa0nokka.htm
and following pictures] that look like they have been magivally
transported from Riga and dropped here or vice versa.
> Eugene,
>
> You can write "tu esi garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga,"
Fine. In this sentence "garlaicīgs nejźga" is is simply a predicate complement.
> but in the construction
> "Garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga!" you must use the definite suffix --
> "Garlaic=EEgais nej=E7ga!"
I suspected as much. Is this simply a definite form, or is the vocative
case involved as well?
Paldies!
Eugene Holman
Eugene Holman
"=?windows-1257?q?P=E7teris_Cedri=F2=F0_(Peteris_Cedrins)?="
<ced...@gmail.com> wrote:
> P=E7teris Cedri=F2=F0 (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
>
> > Rozent=E2ls lived their with his
> > wife, known as the singer Elli Forsell.
>
> .
>
> Erratum -- should be: "Rozent=E2ls lived there with his wife, known in
> Finland as the singer Elli Forsell."
Thabks for this information. There is a Rozentāls Society in Finland that
promotes Latvian culture. You didn't spend enough time in Helsinki to
really explore it thoroughly, but we have entire city blocks of Art
Nouveau architecture [e.g. http://www.publiscan.fi/re15f-9.htm, see
http://www.photofora.com/eugene/Jan2003/helsingfors03/pages/katajaa0nokka.htm
and following pictures] that look like they have been magically
transported from Riga and dropped here or vice versa.
> Eugene,
>
> You can write "tu esi garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga,"
Fine. In this sentence "garlaicīgs nejźga" is, I take it, simply a
predicate complement.
> but in the construction
> "Garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga!" you must use the definite suffix --
> "Garlaic=EEgais nej=E7ga!"
I suspected as much. Is this simply a definite form, or is the vocative
case involved as well? Can you tell something about the grammar of the
word nejźga? It is evidently derived from jźga 'sense', but it takes
masculine adjective endings?
Paldies!
Eugene Holman
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
a man (we think) -- were he female, it would be "garlaicīgā nejēga."
"Jēga" is related to the Greek "hebe" and used to denote the strength
of youth; by the 18th C it had come to mean "sense," and a "jēga" was
also a person of sense (only the negative, for creatures like Hui,
remains). As with "nejēga," if we were to call him a "rustic rag," the
fem. "lupata" would be treated as masculine -- "Pāķīgais lupata!"
"Pāķis" or redneck is a perfect epithet for the Hoosier. Also, we
would say: "Tu, lupata tāds (not 'lupata tāda')!" In address, the
adjective always gets a definite suffix. "Zils sils" ("a blue
coniferous forest"), but if you feel compelled to talk to the woods --
"zilais sils!"
Regards,
/P
Eugene Holman
"=?windows-1257?q?P=E7teris_Cedri=F2=F0_(Peteris_Cedrins)?="
<ced...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Nej=E7ga" is feminine, but it takes a masculine adjective because he's
> a man (we think) -- were he female, it would be "garlaic=EEg=E2 nej=E7ga."
> "J=E7ga" is related to the Greek "hebe" and used to denote the strength
> of youth; by the 18th C it had come to mean "sense," and a "j=E7ga" was
> also a person of sense (only the negative, for creatures like Hui,
> remains). As with "nej=E7ga," if we were to call him a "rustic rag," the
> fem. "lupata" would be treated as masculine -- "P=E2=ED=EEgais lupata!"
> "P=E2=EDis" or redneck is a perfect epithet for the Hoosier. Also, we
> would say: "Tu, lupata t=E2ds (not 'lupata t=E2da')!" In address, the
> adjective always gets a definite suffix. "Zils sils" ("a blue
> coniferous forest"), but if you feel compelled to talk to the woods --
> "zilais sils!"=20
Thanks for the detailed explanation. One question remains. The phrase
*zialis sils* seems to be in the nominative singular form, but when
addressing people standard Latvian uses the vocative: Jânis > Jâni! Does
this rule only apply to nouns designating people, or is it also valid for
anthropomorphized inanimates as well? Additionally, how careful is usage
regarding the vocative case? Is it fully productive in street and/or
dialectal Latvian?
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Fingal
Holman) wrote:
>In article <1118055201.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>"=?windows-1257?q?P=E7teris_Cedri=F2=F0_(Peteris_Cedrins)?="
><ced...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> P=E7teris Cedri=F2=F0 (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
>>
>> > Rozent=E2ls lived their with his
>> > wife, known as the singer Elli Forsell.
>>
>> .
>>
>> Erratum -- should be: "Rozent=E2ls lived there with his wife, known in
>> Finland as the singer Elli Forsell."
>
>Thabks for this information. There is a Rozent?ls Society in Finland that
>promotes Latvian culture. You didn't spend enough time in Helsinki to
>really explore it thoroughly, but we have entire city blocks of Art
>Nouveau architecture [e.g. http://www.publiscan.fi/re15f-9.htm, see
>http://www.photofora.com/eugene/Jan2003/helsingfors03/pages/katajaa0nokka.htm
>and following pictures] that look like they have been magivally
>transported from Riga and dropped here or vice versa.
>
>> Eugene,
>>
>> You can write "tu esi garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga,"
>
>Fine. In this sentence "garlaic?gs nej?ga" is is simply a predicate complement.
>
>> but in the construction
>> "Garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga!" you must use the definite suffix --
>> "Garlaic=EEgais nej=E7ga!"
>
>I suspected as much. Is this simply a definite form, or is the vocative
>case involved as well?
>
>Paldies!
>
>Eugene Holman
Is Rozentals a common surname in Latvia? I ask because the first time
I visited Latvia, to play rugby in 1995, it was at the invitation of
Karlis Rozentals, former captain of the Latvian National Rugby Team.
His sister was part of a group of friends in St. Petersburg.
«Pas de deux»
news:holman-0606...@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
to lora...@cs.com:
> Tu esi neinteresants un garlaicīks cilvźks.
In Latvian, are both the person and the subject matter described as
"garlaicīgs"?
I ask, because in some languages you use different adjectives. The one
for the person is more like "neinteresants", while the one for the
subject matter is more like "garlaicīgs".
One of my pet peeves is monolingual anglophones waxing lyrical about la
grande putain langue anglaise allegedly being superior in every respect
to all other languages. They can only say this because they are
blissfully monolinguallly ignorant. (Like Yankees caliming that so many
of their things are "biggest in the world", without having ni la moindre
idée of what exists in othe parts of the world.)
For example, this crap about English vocab being the "richest" in the
world. Any speaker of any language can give dozens of examples of where
his/her language's vocab is richer/flexible/more interesting than the
corresponding English. For example, English has only "suspicious" to
cover two situations, where Spanish makes a distinction:
1) 'suspicaz' means suspicious as in "His behaviour was suspicious".
(ie, worthy of being suspected) [yeah yeah, I know you can say his
behaviour was 'suspect', but people don't: they talk about "suspicious
behaviour" all the time]
2) 'sospechoso' means suspicious as in "He is a suspicious type", (ie,
he is the type of person who is always likely to suspect others)
GK de Montréal
«Pas de deux»
> From your totally disconnected blathering I should be most surprised
> if your IQ exceeded 1. You have redneck written all over you, I'm
> afraid. You seem to have been totally incapable of understanding the
> point of my comment above but then I've noticed that tendency in you
> before, where it concerns other postings
Nevermind the puke-gargling, just answer the questions:
1. Did "Isaiah Berlin" give a shit about Latvia?
2. Did he speak Latvian?
3. Did he ever call himeself a Latvian, even once?
4. Genius? Since when is being recognised by the pop industry and
selling a few records considered to be a mark of genius?
GK de Montréal
«Pas de deux»
news:holman-0606...@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
>> Eugene,
>>
>> You can write "tu esi garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga,"
>
> Fine. In this sentence "garlaicīgs nejźga" is, I take it, simply a
> predicate complement.
>
>> but in the construction
>> "Garlaic=EEgs nej=E7ga!" you must use the definite suffix --
>> "Garlaic=EEgais nej=E7ga!"
>
> I suspected as much. Is this simply a definite form, or is the
> vocative
> case involved as well? Can you tell something about the grammar of the
> word nejźga? It is evidently derived from jźga 'sense', but it takes
> masculine adjective endings?
J?ga means 'sense' in Latvian? Here I was thinking it meant the same as
in Lithuanian, namely, 'power', 'force', 'energy'.
So I was thinking 'nej?ga' meant those things negated. Just goes to
show how one should look things up to check them, not making assumptions
based on speculation.
GK
«Pas de deux»
news:1118059999....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
"Nejēga" is feminine, but it takes a masculine adjective because he's
a man (we think) -- were he female, it would be "garlaicīgā nejēga."
"Jēga" is related to the Greek "hebe" and used to denote the strength
of youth; by the 18th C it had come to mean "sense," and a "jēga" was
also a person of sense (only the negative, for creatures like Hui,
remains). As with "nejēga," if we were to call him a "rustic rag," the
fem. "lupata" would be treated as masculine -- "Pāķīgais lupata!"
• Does 'lupata' literally mean 'spade' (shovel) by any chance?
"Pāķis" or redneck is a perfect epithet for the Hoosier. Also, we
would say: "Tu, lupata tāds (not 'lupata tāda')!" In address, the
adjective always gets a definite suffix. "Zils sils" ("a blue
coniferous forest"), but if you feel compelled to talk to the woods --
"zilais sils!"
• How come when we reply to you, your text doesn't get > marks in
front of it?
Poor old Uno-chuj and Oozie On-sewer will be all at sea.
GK de Montréal
«Pas de deux»
news:holman-0606...@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
> *zialis sils* seems to be in the nominative singular form, but when
> addressing people standard Latvian uses the vocative: Jânis > Jâni!
> Does
> this rule only apply to nouns designating people, or is it also valid
> for
> anthropomorphized inanimates as well? Additionally, how careful is
> usage
> regarding the vocative case? Is it fully productive in street and/or
> dialectal Latvian?
Forgive me, P?teri, for jumping in and commenting before you have
answered the question, but I will post the Lithuanian rules for interest
sake, plus I suspect they apply to Latvian as well.
The difference between *zilais sils* and *Jânis* is a declensional
difference. The vocative form of *Jânis* is *Jâni*, but I suspect that
the vocative form of *zilais sils* is a zero morpheme, ie identical to
the nominative singular form [as is the case with feminine words with
nominative singular in -a.]:
In Lithuanian the vocative inflection is certainly applied to
anthropomorphized inanimates. (Sometimes even non-anthropomorphized
inanimates! :-)
How careful is usage? In Lithuanian, rock solid. It would be a
barbarism not to use the vocative when required, and you would only hear
it occur on the lips of a non-native learning the language.
GK de Montréal
Maris
I hope you are not seriously under the impression that Isaiah Berlin
is a pop musician!?!
Maris
darsi...@comcast.net
anzau...@hotmail.com wrote:
> darsi...@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > Who knows. They live in the Bay area of California. Maybe theyre "life
> > partners". Maybe Anzaurres takes great pleasure out of having imaginary
> > man friends.
> >
>
> Still having your usual unresolved sexual identity issues, Widass?
I post using one name and email address. One profile. You post under
several - all being very juvenile and transparent.
And you suggest that I have an identity problem ?
The multiple identities you post under are all male. I think there's an
underlying message there that you're trying to "get out of the closet"
so to speak.
>
> Only severe homophobes, who try to deny their own latent homosexual
> tendencies, would think that all people in California are gay.
Nowhere did I even suggest that "all people in California are gay". If
you're going to manufacture this kind of trollop at least make it semi
believable.
All I suggest is that your posting personalities are all male and
clearly they exist to prop up, defend and cuddle Anzaurres in more than
just a casual fashion.
Vidas
Peteris Cedrinš (Peteris Cedrins)
As far as I can tell, Eugene (racking my brain whilst treading water in
a translation of revenge upon seven centuries under the Black Knight by
means of the land reform... and thinking of Hui and Zimbabwe, heh-heh,
since Hui doesn't seem to realize that the entire project that led to
stability in Latvia was dominated by the Social Democrats -- "Land for
free!"), what GK de Montréal says of Lithuanian fully applies to
Latvian; there are differences in declension --
http://ai1.mii.lu.lv/lgraml-w/nouns.htm
Regards,
/P
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
Rosental-Rosenthal is a very common name among Jews. Although there may
be some Germans as well.
«Pas de deux»
In case you don't know yet, "pop" is a contraction of "popular", and it
means "at the other end of the spectrum from classical".
GK
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
Widass, I hope you realize how idiotic this is. Of course, I post only
under male "identities". Would never occur to me to do otherwise.
Judging from your post, the idea of posting under a female identity
seems very appealing to you.
>
>I think there's an
> underlying message there that you're trying to "get out of the closet"
> so to speak.
>
Don't you think that it is those men, who consider assuming a female
identity, who have the "getting out of the closet" syndrome?
If you'd like, I can match you up with my hair stylist. He says he
likes wideasses. Plus you are the biggest "schmuck" in the World.
But he may be a bit out of your league: he has an IQ of 90 or even
higher.
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Jews nor Latvians received surnames until relatively recently (with
some exceptions), and it's quite impossible to tell a person's
ethnicity from their name in these parts -- there are even a number of
Italian surnames held by Latvians, given by a German baron because he
thought it would be a cute jab at Governor Paulucci if crude peasants
bore them.
In the case of Jānis Rozentāls, the painter, I don't think he was at
all Jewish -- his father was a poor blacksmith from Bebri in Saldus
parish, his mother the daughter of a farmer. He attended a German
school as a child, then went to Rīga and worked as a waiter and clerk
to pay for his studies, singing in the choir of the Latvian Association
theater. He won the Silver Medal from the St. Petersburg Academy and
studied there. He spent time in Sweden and Finland, went to Italy, and
lived in Courland, Rīga, Helsinki and Petrograd, mostly in extreme
poverty, teaching portraiture, working for barons, and coloring eggs.
He participated in the first exhibition of Latvian art in Rīga in
1910, and he was actually buried in Helsinki in 1916; his remains were
returned to newly independent Latvia in 1920.
You can see some of his paintings here --
http://www.antonia.lv/index.php?ir=46&ll=2&apr=3
...and here --
http://www.culture.lv/classic/Rozentals/Default.htm
His most famous painting can be found at the Finnish site --
http://www.rozentals-seura.fi/index.php?lang=fi&page=janisarticle&menu=janis
Regards,
/P
«Pas de deux»
news:1118082092.1...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> If you'd like, I can match you up with my hair stylist. But he may be
Yeah, Ooozie, does your hairdresser know you backstab him?
(Maybe you "backstab" him in more ways than one?")
martin
Anzaurres choice of "Kalashnikov" as a name is very revealing. Maybe he
likes to "backstab" his hairdresser with his little "Kalashnikov"?
Regards,
Martin
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
> «Pas de deux» wrote:
>
> > Yeah, Ooozie, does your hairdresser know you backstab him?
> >
> > (Maybe you "backstab" him in more ways than one?")
>
> Anzaurres choice of "Kalashnikov" as a name is very revealing. Maybe he
> likes to "backstab" his hairdresser with his little "Kalashnikov"?
>
You clowns keep on posting your no longer latent fantasies forever,
just to divert the attention of soc.culture.baltic from the topic that
you don't know anything about: the Latvian culture.
Martin, just learn the new words for you. Repeat after me: "Riga,
architecture, Eisenstein" and "Chess, Mihails Tals, monument in the
center of Riga, stamp".
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
>
> Uzi A. Kalashnikov wrote:
>
> > Every single person in Latvia knows of him many times over.
>
> Not me..
>
You are not in Latvia. Nor have you ever been there.
>
>and I even used to play chess.
> I even beat a so-called chess 'master' during a computer system
> down-time.
>
Never happened. You are lying again.
>
> Perhaps your inhabited world is rather small(?)
>
Is yours any larger? Here, young chess prodigy. Put you money where
your mouth is. Let's both go to http://games.yahoo.com/ at the same
time and play 2 games against each other for the bragging rights. Mind
you that I seldom play and am many miles far from being a chess master.
>
> Life must be boring in russia.
> Sounds like they suffer yet more psychosis. The chess master I beat
> certainly went ballistic; speed walking up and down the room and
> muttering to himself.
> I thought it was somewhat funny.
>
The funniest fantasy you have ever invented.
So, is it a deal, new robert fischer of Indiana?
martin
Uzi A. Kalashnikov wrote:
> martin wrote:
> > «Pas de deux» wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, Ooozie, does your hairdresser know you backstab him?
> > >
> > > (Maybe you "backstab" him in more ways than one?")
> >
> > Anzaurres choice of "Kalashnikov" as a name is very revealing. Maybe he
> > likes to "backstab" his hairdresser with his little "Kalashnikov"?
> >
>
> You clowns keep on posting your no longer latent fantasies forever,
> just to divert the attention of soc.culture.baltic from the topic that
> you don't know anything about: the Latvian culture.
No, the topic is your multiple personality disorder and your continued
denial that you posted under "Michael" and "tal1960riga". The topic of
Latvian culture is your pathetic and transparent attempt to divert
attention from your denial.
Regards,
Martin
Uzi A. Kalashnikov
I denied it? Where?
«Pas de deux»
news:1118094570....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
He would probably like to, but his little Kalashnikov doesn't fire any
more.
GK
«Pas de deux»
tell Latvian names from Baltic or Lithuanian ones.
"Uzi A. Kalashnikov" <anzau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118095741.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
darsi...@comcast.net
Uzi A. Kalashnikov wrote:
> darsi...@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > The multiple identities you post under are all male.
> >
>
> Widass, I hope you realize how idiotic this is. Of course, I post only
> under male "identities". Would never occur to me to do otherwise.
It seems clear that you dont recognize that posting under multiple
aliases is idiotic and lacks any credibility - regardless of gender.
Again, your choice to choose only male "partners" is revealing.
>
> Judging from your post, the idea of posting under a female identity
> seems very appealing to you.
Yet again, you judge incorrectly. Posting under multiple names and
personalities is completely unappealing to me as it vacates any and all
credibility. Maintaining some level of self respect would seem
important - but alas you have clearly abandoned all hope for yourself.
Youre a joke.
The fact that you create a fraudulent image of yourself here and in
other newgroups is the real indictment.
> Don't you think that it is those men, who consider assuming a female
> identity, who have the "getting out of the closet" syndrome?
I think that anyone who needs to assume some other identity other than
their own so as to create the means to justify themselves or their
opinions are very sick puppies.
In an effort to help you, you can judge that I think youre a very sick
puppy.
>
> If you'd like, I can match you up with my hair stylist. He says he
> likes wideasses. Plus you are the biggest "schmuck" in the World.
You have a "hairstylist" and you suggest I have a gender identification
problem ?
Schmuck. Ohhh. Thats powerful stuff.
>
> But he may be a bit out of your league: he has an IQ of 90 or even
> higher.
>
He is out of my league - but given that youre the customer of a 90 IQ
gay hairstylist - it seems that you have found an equal.
Congratulations. I wish you great happiness in your life together.
Vidas
anita
«Pas de deux» wrote:
> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)" <ced...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1118059999....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> "Nejçga" is feminine, but it takes a masculine adjective because he's
> a man (we think) -- were he female, it would be "garlaicîgâ nejçga."
> "Jçga" is related to the Greek "hebe" and used to denote the strength
> of youth; by the 18th C it had come to mean "sense," and a "jçga" was
> also a person of sense (only the negative, for creatures like Hui,
> remains). As with "nejçga," if we were to call him a "rustic rag," the
> fem. "lupata" would be treated as masculine -- "Pâíîgais lupata!"
>
> · Does 'lupata' literally mean 'spade' (shovel) by any chance?
Lupata means "rag" literally. Unfortunately, with the way my computers
show Latvian letters, I couldn't get the adjective, P. Could you spell
it out sans diacriticals?
Anita
anita
«Pas de deux» wrote:
> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)" <ced...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1118059999....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> "Nejçga" is feminine, but it takes a masculine adjective because he's
> a man (we think) -- were he female, it would be "garlaicîgâ nejçga."
> "Jçga" is related to the Greek "hebe" and used to denote the strength
> of youth; by the 18th C it had come to mean "sense," and a "jçga" was
> also a person of sense (only the negative, for creatures like Hui,
> remains). As with "nejçga," if we were to call him a "rustic rag," the
> fem. "lupata" would be treated as masculine -- "Pâíîgais lupata!"
>
> · Does 'lupata' literally mean 'spade' (shovel) by any chance?
Lupata means "rag" literally. Unfortunately, with the way my computers
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
"Pakigais"; "pakis."
/P
Captain!
"«Pas de deux»" <kamou...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:DD6pe.4160$_n2.4...@news20.bellglobal.com...
GK checked it personally :O
«Pas de deux»
news:MKcpe.36405$HI.23044@edtnps84...
Says Corporal!, getting all excited at the idea. No, sorry, that's your
specialty, not mine.
GK de Montréal
Maris
<kamou...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>"Maris" <lat...@london.com> wrote in message
>news:n109a15c3dmgj60du...@4ax.com...
>> I hope you are not seriously under the impression that Isaiah Berlin
>> is a pop musician!?!
>>
>> Maris
>
>In case you don't know yet, "pop" is a contraction of "popular", and it
>means "at the other end of the spectrum from classical".
>
>GK
>
What possible relevance does that have to anything?
M
Vladimir Makarenko
"╚Pas de deux╩" wrote:
>
> "Maris" <lat...@london.com> wrote in message
> news:1548a1ltav4dg96q7...@4ax.com...
> > From your totally disconnected blathering I should be most surprised
> > if your IQ exceeded 1. You have redneck written all over you, I'm
> > afraid. You seem to have been totally incapable of understanding the
> > point of my comment above but then I've noticed that tendency in you
> > before, where it concerns other postings
>
> Nevermind the puke-gargling, just answer the questions:
>
> 1. Did "Isaiah Berlin" give a shit about Latvia?
Read his works, get the idea.
> 2. Did he speak Latvian?
Most probably. He spoke more languages than you will ever be capable, I
guess.
> 3. Did he ever call himeself a Latvian, even once?
He didn't call anybody a "himeself Latvian". Himself including.
> 4. Genius? Since when is being recognised by the pop industry and
> selling a few records considered to be a mark of genius?
In comparison with you any retard from a special school is an
intellectual giant.
But tell me how much records of I.B. were sold?
Hilarious.
VM.
>
> GK de MontrИal
<Pas de deux>
news:42A5F72C...@popmail.med.nyu.edu...
>> Did "Isaiah Berlin" speak Latvian?
>
> Most probably. He spoke more languages than you will ever be capable,
> I guess.
Well you couldn't guess more wrongly, drone. Of all the areas to try to
headbutt, you chose where the rock is most solid.
GK de Montreal
J. Anderson
"«Pas de deux»" <kamou...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:qYBoe.33$Nd3....@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Next you'll be claiming that Michael Jackson is a genius. And maybe of
> Latvian background too?
Michael Jackson actually has a Lithuanian background. His parents were from
Kaunas.
But I guess noone here knows the Michael Jackson I'm referring to? It's
certainly not the one of Neverland fame.
'My' Michael Jackson is one of the world's leading authorities on malt
whisky and beer.
Regards,
John