TALLINN, Sep 24, BNS - A group of Estonian and Finnish cultural figures, scientists, journalists and politicians has sent the leaders of the University of Helsinki a public letter comparing Johan Backman, the author of a controversial book on Estonia that has triggered heated debates, to deniers of Holocaust and questioning his competence as a university teacher. The authors of the letter addressed to the rector, chancellor and dean of the law faculty recall that Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book "The Bronze Soldier: The Backdrop and Content of the Estonian Monument Debates," which among other things denies the Soviet occupation of Estonia and calls the corresponding viewpoint a Nazi myth. They added that Backman predicts a speedy end to Estonian independence, speaks in favor of Estonia's unification with Russia and calls Estonia an apartheid state in both his book and his blog as well as in public appearances. He contrasts different ethnic groups such as Estonians, Russians, Jews and Russian Estonians, and distorts the Estonian history. The authors note that at the presentation of the book Backman, diminishing the historical experience of Estonians, said it is time for Estonians to understand that there was no Soviet occupation. He supports his claim among other things by the Nazis' anti-Jewish propaganda spread by Nazi Germany in occupied countries during World War II, which he represents as the ideology of Estonians and the Estonian state, thereby labeling people who speak about the Estonian history and experience as disseminators of Nazi propaganda. The letter notes that Backman lectures on sociology of law and the specific features of the Russian and Estonian legal policies at the University of Helsinki this academic year. The signatories add that Backman's public statements are not a mere expression of opinion. In their words, questioning the existence of the Estonian state and declaring Estonia to be a part of Russia can be considered hostile propaganda against the state and the nation. Backman as a lecturer on Estonian and Russian legal policies can be compared to a denier of the Holocaust teaching Jewish history at a university, they added. "Would that, too, be possible at the University of Helsinki?" they asked. The authors of the letter asked the leaders of the university how is it possible that the University of Helsinki considers it acceptable for subjects linked with Estonian and Russian law and policies to be taught by a person who disseminates hostile propaganda about Estonian history and present-day reality. They also asked whether the university expects its teachers to be familiar with facts and whether it intends to take a position on the lecturer's statements. Among the signatories were University of Helsinki researcher and noted columnist Iivi Anna Masso, journalist, writer and film director Imbi Paju, Finnish author Sofi Oksanen, journalist Stefan Brunow, Jewish Estonian historian and writer Elhonen Saks, and Jevgeni Krishtafovitsh, leader of Estonia's Russian-speaking youth association Avatud Vabariik (Open Republic). Suvi Salmenniemi from the University of Helsinki, researcher Anna Rotkirch, leader of the free-thinkers' association Jussi K. Niemela, members of the European Parliament Lasse Lehtinen and Henrik Lax, writer Mikael Enckell, and Katri Vallaste from the Alexander Institute also signed the letter.
> In their words, questioning the existence of > the Estonian state and declaring Estonia to be a part of Russia can be > considered hostile propaganda against the state and the nation.
It is also a sign of mental illness. Insane persons should not teach at universities.
I find Johan B ckman absolutely revolting. Luckily he is living in St. Petersburg, and the likelihood that I would bump into him in Helsinki is rather small. (I dislike having to puke in public places.)
> TALLINN, Sep 24, BNS - A group of Estonian and Finnish cultural > figures, scientists, journalists and politicians has sent the leaders > of the University of Helsinki a public letter comparing Johan Backman, > the author of a controversial book on Estonia that has triggered > heated debates, to deniers of Holocaust and questioning his competence > as a university teacher. > The authors of the letter addressed to the rector, chancellor and dean > of the law faculty recall that Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn > his book "The Bronze Soldier: The Backdrop and Content of the Estonian > Monument Debates," which among other things denies the Soviet > occupation of Estonia and calls the corresponding viewpoint a Nazi > myth. > They added that Backman predicts a speedy end to Estonian > independence, speaks in favor of Estonia's unification with Russia and > calls Estonia an apartheid state in both his book and his blog as well > as in public appearances. He contrasts different ethnic groups such as > Estonians, Russians, Jews and Russian Estonians, and distorts the > Estonian history. > The authors note that at the presentation of the book Backman, > diminishing the historical experience of Estonians, said it is time > for Estonians to understand that there was no Soviet occupation. He > supports his claim among other things by the Nazis' anti-Jewish > propaganda spread by Nazi Germany in occupied countries during World > War II, which he represents as the ideology of Estonians and the > Estonian state, thereby labeling people who speak about the Estonian > history and experience as disseminators of Nazi propaganda. > The letter notes that Backman lectures on sociology of law and the > specific features of the Russian and Estonian legal policies at the > University of Helsinki this academic year. > The signatories add that Backman's public statements are not a mere > expression of opinion. In their words, questioning the existence of > the Estonian state and declaring Estonia to be a part of Russia can be > considered hostile propaganda against the state and the nation. > Backman as a lecturer on Estonian and Russian legal policies can be > compared to a denier of the Holocaust teaching Jewish history at a > university, they added. > "Would that, too, be possible at the University of Helsinki?" they > asked. > The authors of the letter asked the leaders of the university how is > it possible that the University of Helsinki considers it acceptable > for subjects linked with Estonian and Russian law and policies to be > taught by a person who disseminates hostile propaganda about Estonian > history and present-day reality. > They also asked whether the university expects its teachers to be > familiar with facts and whether it intends to take a position on the > lecturer's statements. > Among the signatories were University of Helsinki researcher and noted > columnist Iivi Anna Masso, journalist, writer and film director Imbi > Paju, Finnish author Sofi Oksanen, journalist Stefan Brunow, Jewish > Estonian historian and writer Elhonen Saks, and Jevgeni > Krishtafovitsh, leader of Estonia's Russian-speaking youth association > Avatud Vabariik (Open Republic). > Suvi Salmenniemi from the University of Helsinki, researcher Anna > Rotkirch, leader of the free-thinkers' association Jussi K. Niemela, > members of the European Parliament Lasse Lehtinen and Henrik Lax, > writer Mikael Enckell, and Katri Vallaste from the Alexander Institute > also signed the letter.
Just great... another Swedish Stalinist.. (are they too inbred - or what?) Just like that perambulatory crap marxist Summerstrom (sic) that used to post his stalinism here.
Somehow, it doesn't surprise me that he now lives in Petrograd.
> > In their words, questioning the existence of > > the Estonian state and declaring Estonia to be a part of Russia can be > > considered hostile propaganda against the state and the nation.
> It is also a sign of mental illness. Insane persons should not teach at > universities.
> I find Johan Bäckman absolutely revolting. Luckily he is living in St. > Petersburg, and the likelihood that I would bump into him in Helsinki is > rather small. (I dislike having to puke in public places.)
> John
In this guy's case, it is certainly no exaggeration to say he is a stooge of Moskau and in the pay of the Kremlin. One wonders what went wrong with the upbringing or socialisation of people like that. Some of the asshole fanatics I have met in the past (e.g. lefty-trendy pro- USSR university lecturers) seemed to have a case of stunted development. They were general immature (e.g. smoking dope, wearing stupid clothes, trying to party with the students) and seemed to be stuck in a permanent undergraduate mentality; hence the desire to be outrageous and espouse a minority opinion, no matter how obnoxious, ludicrous and morally indefensible it was. For example, at the time (late 60s, early 70s) some of these these misfits were also defending the "right" of pedophiles to pursue their hobby, something which they now cover up and deny.
I could of course shut up and let him pass as a Swede, but let's be honest: the guy is from Finland. Although he is universally despised here, and that's probably why he has moved to Russia. He also claims that there has been threats to his life in Finland. I can understand why.
> I could of course shut up and let him pass as a Swede, but let's be honest: > the guy is from Finland. Although he is universally despised here, and > that's probably why he has moved to Russia. He also claims that there has > been threats to his life in Finland. I can understand why.
Freedom of speech and opinion requires that we allow unpopular opinions to be voiced and examined.
Although I would never deny that Estonia was occupied like Backman does, that version of the historical narrative is one of many possible alternatives and not the only one. Was Finland occupied by Russia? By Sweden? By people calling no calling themselves "Finns" but who really reveal themselves to be the decendants of invaders who colonized Saami lands from Estonia, Ingermanland, and Roslagen? What about the American state of Hawaii, 120 years ago the independent Kingdom of Hawaii?
Although I would never characterize Estonia as an apartheid state, as he also does, I know from my experience there that being a member of the Russian-speaking minority does put a person, even if an Estonian citizen who speaks perfect Estonian, at a certain disadvantage see e.g. http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%C3%A4l%C3%A4iset+heikoilla+Vi...), which I will traslate and post here within the hour.
History, politics, and sociology are largely interpretations of complex realities, and Backman is certainly entitiled to his version of the narrative constructed from the evidence, all the more so if he can succeed in justifying them. If nothing else, people who proffer versions of the historical narrative profoundly different from the one we have become used to accepting, make us think about things we normally take for granted, never a bad thing.
On Saturday a controversial dissertation, *Salaiset aseveljet* ['Secret Comrades-in-Arms'], by Oula Silvennoinen, will be defended at the University of Helsinki (https://oa.doria.fi/handle/10024/41922). It challenges the standard view held in Finland that Finland's relationship with Nazi Germany between 1941 and 1944 was that of a cobelligerent, a democracy immune to Nazi ideology that was marginally involved in the Holocaust, arguing instead that Finland was a German ally, did little to prevent Jews in Finland from being handed over to the Germans and executd, sometimes on Finnish territory, and even had a hitherto unknown *Einsatzkommando Finnland* under the command of Gustav vom Felde to rid northern Finland and Finnish-occupied Soviet Karelia of ideological and racial enemies, particularly active communists and Soviet POWs who also happened to be of Jewish ethnicity.
This flies in the face of views Finns have cherished about their wartime history for two generations, but it is based on honest archival research and the inclusion of evidence previously unavailable to historians. Not everyone is happy about this work or Silvennoinen's conclusions, but come this Saturday we will see if his claims are sustainable. This is what freedom of speech is all about.
Let's be reasonable. Backman's theses, however intuitively repulsive we might find them, will be accepted or rejected on their own merits. To argue otherwise is to make ourselves guilty of the same mindset that we worked so hard to overcome during the Cold War.
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> I could of course shut up and let him pass as a Swede, but let's be honest: > the guy is from Finland. Although he is universally despised here, and > that's probably why he has moved to Russia. He also claims that there has > been threats to his life in Finland. I can understand why.
Freedom of speech and opinion requires that we allow unpopular opinions to be voiced and examined.
Although I would never deny that Estonia was occupied like Backman does, that version of the historical narrative is one of many possible alternatives and not the only one. Was Finland occupied by Russia? By Sweden? By people calling themselves "Finns" but who really reveal themselves to be the decendants of invaders who colonized Saami lands from Estonia, Ingermanland, and Roslagen? What about the American state of Hawaii, 120 years ago the independent Kingdom of Hawaii?
Although I would never characterize Estonia as an apartheid state, as he also does, I know from my experience there that being a member of the Russian-speaking minority does put a person, even if an Estonian citizen who speaks perfect Estonian, at a certain disadvantage see e.g. http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%C3%A4l%C3%A4iset+heikoilla+Vi...), which I will traslate and post here within the hour.
History, politics, and sociology are largely interpretations of complex realities, and Backman is certainly entitiled to his version of the narrative constructed from the evidence, all the more so if he can succeed in justifying it against criticism. If nothing else, people who proffer versions of the historical narrative profoundly different from the one we have become used to accepting unquestioningly, make us think about things we normally take for granted, never a bad thing.
On Saturday a controversial dissertation, *Salaiset aseveljet* ['Secret Comrades-in-Arms'], by Oula Silvennoinen, will be defended at the University of Helsinki (https://oa.doria.fi/handle/10024/41922). It challenges the standard view held in Finland that Finland's relationship with Nazi Germany between 1941 and 1944 was that of a cobelligerent, a democracy immune to Nazi ideology that was marginally involved in the Holocaust, arguing instead that Finland was a German ally, did little to prevent Jews in Finland as refugees or POWs, as opposed to its own Jewish citizens, which it protected but who also knew that German intelligence services and their collaborators in Finnish police structures were keeping an eye on them, from being handed over to the Germans, and executed, sometimes on Finnish territory, and even had a hitherto unknown *Einsatzkommando Finnland* under the command of Gustav vom Felde to rid northern Finland and Finnish-occupied Soviet Karelia of ideological and racial enemies, particularly active communists and Soviet POWs who also happened to be of Jewish ethnicity.
This flies in the face of views Finns have cherished about their wartime history for two generations, but it is based on honest archival research and the inclusion of evidence previously unavailable to historians. Not everyone is happy about this work or Silvennoinen's conclusions, but come this Saturday we will see if his claims are sustainable. This is what freedom of speech is all about.
Let's be reasonable. Backman's theses, however intuitively repulsive we might find them, will be accepted or rejected on their own merits. To argue otherwise is to make ourselves guilty of the same mindset that we worked so hard to overcome during the Cold War.
In article <24148e38-1847-4404-8dcc-cbfd892d4...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
kgeo...@gmail.com wrote: > On 24 Sep., 22:36, David McDuff <dmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book...
> So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, > and if attempts were made to keep him out?
Should a persn be banned from entering a country because he holds views that many people there find offensive? Isn't that what we used to cticize the USSR and the DDR for doing?
> > On 24 Sep., 22:36, David McDuff <dmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book...
> > So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, > > and if attempts were made to keep him out?
> Allowed "in" where? Estonia? His a Finnish citizen (unfortunately).
I know, but citizenship of EU member state has not in the past stopped Estonians from turning back agitators coming from Latvia (pctvl.lv, www.rodina.lv, Latvian "Anti-fascist" Commitee and the likes).
>> I could of course shut up and let him pass as a Swede, but let's be >> honest: >> the guy is from Finland. Although he is universally despised here, and >> that's probably why he has moved to Russia. He also claims that there has >> been threats to his life in Finland. I can understand why.
> Freedom of speech and opinion requires that we allow unpopular opinions to > be voiced and examined.
> Although I would never deny that Estonia was occupied like Backman does, > that version of the historical narrative is one of many possible > alternatives and not the only one. Was Finland occupied by Russia? By > Sweden? By people calling no calling themselves "Finns" but who really > reveal themselves to be the decendants of invaders who colonized Saami > lands from Estonia, Ingermanland, and Roslagen? What about the American > state of Hawaii, 120 years ago the independent Kingdom of Hawaii?
> Although I would never characterize Estonia as an apartheid state, as he > also does, I know from my experience there that being a member of the > Russian-speaking minority does put a person, even if an Estonian citizen > who speaks perfect Estonian, at a certain disadvantage see e.g. > http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%C3%A4l%C3%A4iset+heikoilla+Vi...), > which I will traslate and post here within the hour.
> History, politics, and sociology are largely interpretations of complex > realities, and Backman is certainly entitiled to his version of the > narrative constructed from the evidence, all the more so if he can succeed > in justifying them. If nothing else, people who proffer versions of the > historical narrative profoundly different from the one we have become used > to accepting, make us think about things we normally take for granted, > never a bad thing.
> On Saturday a controversial dissertation, *Salaiset aseveljet* ['Secret > Comrades-in-Arms'], by Oula Silvennoinen, will be defended at the > University of Helsinki (https://oa.doria.fi/handle/10024/41922). It > challenges the standard view held in Finland that Finland's relationship > with Nazi Germany between 1941 and 1944 was that of a cobelligerent, a > democracy immune to Nazi ideology that was marginally involved in the > Holocaust, arguing instead that Finland was a German ally, did little to > prevent Jews in Finland from being handed over to the Germans and executd, > sometimes on Finnish territory, and even had a hitherto unknown > *Einsatzkommando Finnland* under the command of Gustav vom Felde to rid > northern Finland and Finnish-occupied Soviet Karelia of ideological and > racial enemies, particularly active communists and Soviet POWs who also > happened to be of Jewish ethnicity.
> This flies in the face of views Finns have cherished about their wartime > history for two generations, but it is based on honest archival research > and the inclusion of evidence previously unavailable to historians. Not > everyone is happy about this work or Silvennoinen's conclusions, but come > this Saturday we will see if his claims are sustainable. This is what > freedom of speech is all about.
> Let's be reasonable. Backman's theses, however intuitively repulsive we > might find them, will be accepted or rejected on their own merits. To > argue otherwise is to make ourselves guilty of the same mindset that we > worked so hard to overcome during the Cold War.
You are a marvel at making the weirdest juxtapositions. Usually it's about some recent Russian misdeed balanced against something you dig up in US 19th century history. This time you compare the results of impeccable scientific research with the rants of a notorious academic troublemaker. As if these were in any manner on a par with each other!
Bäckman denies that the Baltic countries were Soviet-occupied. Such a claim is purely propagandistic and cannot even be dealt with in academia. It's on the same level as denying the holocaust. Or gravity.
> In article > <24148e38-1847-4404-8dcc-cbfd892d4...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > kgeo...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On 24 Sep., 22:36, David McDuff <dmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book...
>> So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, >> and if attempts were made to keep him out?
> Should a persn be banned from entering a country because he holds views > that many people there find offensive? Isn't that what we used to cticize > the USSR and the DDR for doing?
Haven't you noticed that Russia is still upholding these traditional USSR practices?
> >> On 24 Sep., 22:36, David McDuff <dmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book...
> >> So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, > >> and if attempts were made to keep him out?
> > Should a persn be banned from entering a country because he holds views > > that many people there find offensive? Isn't that what we used to cticize > > the USSR and the DDR for doing?
> Haven't you noticed that Russia is still upholding these traditional USSR > practices?
> <kgeo...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:24148e38-1847-4404-8dcc-cbfd892d49e7@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> On 24 Sep., 22:36, David McDuff <dmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book... >> So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, >> and if attempts were made to keep him out? > Allowed "in" where? Estonia? His a Finnish citizen (unfortunately).
Last time I visited Estonia, it was in 2002 I think, the customs officer (female) took my passport, looked at it, kept staring at me for half a minute, asked me where I was born, when I was born etc, then kept looking at me for half a minute again, looked at the passport again, looked at me for a few seconds and gave me my passport back. I had the feeling that either she suspected it (passport) was counterfeit, or somebody resembling me was on some unwanted persons list. I really expected them to say "follow us". A rather unpleasant experience nonetheless.
>>>> Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book... >>> So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, >>> and if attempts were made to keep him out?
>> Allowed "in" where? Estonia? His a Finnish citizen (unfortunately).
> Last time I visited Estonia, it was in 2002 I think, the customs officer > (female) took my passport, looked at it, kept staring at me for half a > minute, asked me where I was born, when I was born etc, then kept > looking at me for half a minute again, looked at the passport again, > looked at me for a few seconds and gave me my passport back. I had the > feeling that either she suspected it (passport) was counterfeit, or > somebody resembling me was on some unwanted persons list. I really > expected them to say "follow us". A rather unpleasant experience > nonetheless.
Why this negative interpretation? Maybe she was fascinated by your good looks?
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>> >> On 24 Sep., 22:36, David McDuff <dmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book...
>> >> So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, >> >> and if attempts were made to keep him out?
>> > Should a persn be banned from entering a country because he holds views >> > that many people there find offensive? Isn't that what we used to >> > cticize >> > the USSR and the DDR for doing?
>> Haven't you noticed that Russia is still upholding these traditional USSR >> practices?
> No. They produce their own, and then...
And we help them. Or rather our consul in Piter, who didn't want to invite Sofi Oksanen to that poesy soirée (or whatever) because he was afraid of annoying the Russians. (Sofi Oksanen is a young Finnish-Estonian author who has written about her family's sufferings in Soviet times. She is one of the signatories of the anti-Bäckman appeal.)
On Bäckman's webpage you can 'vote' for or against his interpretation of what happened in 1940. Asking 'Did Soviet Union occupy Estonia in 1940' he has so far received 233 (85%) YES-replies and 39 (14%) NO-replies (including mine). I'm sure the bastard is fabricating results in the traditional Soviet/Russian manner.
> On Bäckman's webpage you can 'vote' for or against his interpretation of > what happened in 1940. Asking 'Did Soviet Union occupy Estonia in 1940' he > has so far received 233 (85%) YES-replies and 39 (14%) NO-replies > (including mine). I'm sure the bastard is fabricating results in the > traditional Soviet/Russian manner.
> In article > <24148e38-1847-4404-8dcc-cbfd892d4...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> kgeo...@gmail.com wrote: > > On 24 Sep., 22:36, David McDuff <dmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Backman on Monday presented in Tallinn his book...
> > So it's true that this fella was allowed in. Does anyone know - why, > > and if attempts were made to keep him out?
> Should a persn be banned from entering a country because he holds views > that many people there find offensive? Isn't that what we used to cticize > the USSR and the DDR for doing?
> Regards, > Eugene Holman
Are you scared you'll be next? :)
There is no obligation I know of to grant entry to wierdos with academic credentials and nutty, hostile views about country they intend to visit. Israel and Norman Finkelstein is a good example. Just get hold of the guy, cite security grounds and escort him out.
> You are a marvel at making the weirdest juxtapositions. Usually it's about > some recent Russian misdeed balanced against something you dig up in US 19th > century history.
Russia has gotten about as far in its development as a mature state as the US was back then, so the time depth is irrelevant. It's the "what", not the "when".
> This time you compare the results of impeccable scientific > research with the rants of a notorious academic troublemaker. As if these > were in any manner on a par with each other!
Both express opinions that many people would rather not hear. That suffices.
> Bäckman denies that the Baltic countries were Soviet-occupied.
As do certain people, some of them quite rational, in all three Baltic countries. We are obviously dealing here with issues of semantics and interpretation. Give the guy the opportunity to defend his viewpoint, for cryin' out loud.
> Such a claim > is purely propagandistic and cannot even be dealt with in academia. It's on > the same level as denying the holocaust. Or gravity.
I have to disagree with you here. Occupations are abnormal situations, incorporations and annextaion generally end occupations, at least in the narrow sense.
I am not going to defend Backman, but I am going to assume the role of devil's advocate as a means of trying to understand his thinking.
Nobody denies that the USSR ousted the legitimate governments of the Baltic countries, or to use the modern term "effected regime change", in June 1940, replacing the legitimate regimes with governments, now generally regarded as bogus, that were, initially at least, accepted to some degree by the three Baltic nations. The Latvian President appealed to his wary nation to accept the new government, and in Estonia what seemed to be a resolution of a threat to nationaal existence was intially greeted with relief, even if President Päts was arrested and sent into Soviet exile.
These new harmless-looking governments arranged sham elections and quickly negotiated to have their respective countries "apply" to join the USSR. The application and its acceptance resulted in the incorporation of the three countries into the USSR, a move that was not welcomed by the majority of their populations, but one that they had few instruments to change. I honestly do not know if occupation is the proper legal term to use for a situation like this. Going to the inexhaustable resource of 19th century US history, something quite similar was done in the Kingdom of Hawaii: the government was weakened and ousted, and political intrigues between American businessmen and certain members of the Hawaiian elite resulted in the islands being incorportaed into the United States as a territory, much to the distress of a considerable portion of its citizenry which, like the Balts, were victims of the imperialist ambitions of a far larger country and had no instruments to resist. If you are going to say that Baltics were occupied by the Soviets in 1940, you have to say that the Kingdom of Hawaii was first subverted by the Americans with their creation of the Republic of Hawaii on July 4(!), 1893, the arrest and trial of ousted Queen Lili'uokalani for treason, and the eventual annexation of this Republic of Hawaii at the request of its government by the United States in 1898.
In any case, if the use of the term occupation with respect to the regime change and subsequent Soviet annexation of the Baltic countries can be questioned, then we have a case for disputing whether applying the term "occupation" to the entire period between 1940 and 1991 is appropriate. The Russian position, as we all know, was that the annexation, even if deviously done, was the work of the government that was in charge. Thus, the German invasion, occupation, and annextion as Ostland, was a genuine occupation, because it was a military operation with no statesmanship being involved, but the retaking of what Moscow regarded as Soviet territory in 1944 was *not* an occupation, but rather a re-establishement of the *status quo ante*, no matter how deviously that had come about in the first place.
Between the fall of 1944 and Stalin's death in 1953 the Baltics were administered as occupied territory, and nobody other than countries in the communist bloc regarded the Soviet presence there as legal. After 1953, though, things changed. With the opening up of the Baltic states in 1965, the development of tourism, and the general acceptance of the status quo by new generations of inhabitants, both natives and migrants, the case for speaking of an *occupation* weakened. Sweden, the UK, and even Finland, whose president urho Kekkonen sent mixed signals to the world when he, the only Western statesman to visit the Baltics during the Soviet period, visited Tartu in 1965, about how the situation in the Baltics sould be regarded in the future. By the early 1980s even the Americans were getting used to the idea of the Baltic countries being a legitimate art of the USSR, an issue that came up in conunction with the trial and deportation to the USSR of Karl Linnas, an Estonian who had been commandant of a German concentration camp during the German occupation of Estonia.
By 1988, when the people of the Baltics united in their incredible demonstration of peaceful protest against the continued presence of their countries in the Soviet Union, there was little talk of occupation. Rather there was more talk of a political system that theoretically allowed a republic to secede from the union, but practically did not provide the political instruments for even testing whether the population would be interested in self-determination. Gorbachev was unhappy that the Baltics were seriously considering this option, and he tried t squelch it by visiting Lithuania and discussing the options for "divorce" with leading political and other leaders. It was only later, in Vilnius in January 1991 and then a few weeks later, in Riga, that blood was spilt. Even then, these instantiations of violence demonstrated themselves to be isolated incidents rather than standard policy, nor did they involve soldiers of a colonial occpupying army crushing native populations. The situation bore more similarities to civil war. There was nothing in the Baltics in 1991 comparable to the struggle against French occupation in Algeria during the 1960s or the struggle against the French and then the American occupations in Vietnam between the 1950s and 1970s.
So, not wanting to use the word occupation does not amount to a denial of the historical facts. According to a reasonable interpretation of the facts, the three Baltic republics were the victims of Soviet imperialism, a German occupation, and a Soviet reconquest of territory it had originally stolen "fair and square". Given that life was a normal as possible under commnist rule, that Balts were involved in the administration and defense of their own republics as well as of the USSR as a whole, and that the general feeling was not that they wre living under foreign occupation, but rather that their homelands had been sucked into state structure that allowed them to participate in its administration and day-to-day decision making, but did not allow them the possibility of self-determination, I can see why some people prefer ot to use the word "occupation" to characterize such a situation. Subverted and co-opted might be a better term. Consideration of the case for an alternative explanation of the historical facts might teach us something.
On 25 Sep., 14:23, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> In article <83KCk.71140$_03.64...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>, "J.
> Consideration of the case for an alternative explanation of the historical facts might teach us something.
> Regards, > Eugene Holman
Say, dear academician from Helsinki, do you subscribe to Backman's alternative explanations of historical facts like deportations being "necessary measures in stabilizing the country" and, for many people, a lifesaving measure, as well? Because that might just teach "us" something more about you.
In article <fa87e5bf-789e-4f4f-ac72-410505663...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
kgeo...@gmail.com wrote: > On 25 Sep., 14:23, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote: > > In article <83KCk.71140$_03.64...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>, "J.
> > Consideration of the case for an alternative explanation of the
historical facts might teach us something.
> > Regards, > > Eugene Holman
> Say, dear academician from Helsinki, do you subscribe to Backman's > alternative explanations of historical facts...
I think that I made it clear that I was assuming the role of devil's advocate and do not subscribe to Backman's views.
> like deportations being > "necessary measures in stabilizing the country" and, for many people, > a lifesaving measure, as well? Because that might just teach "us" > something more about you.
I took major flack in thus group a few years ago when I made a claim of that type. Interestingly, it was suggested by an article I had read in an Estonian newspaper a few days before.
I had visited Estonia on June 15 of whatever year it was and was deeply moved by the commemoration of the victims of the massive deportations that had taken place on that day in 1941, precisely a week before the Nazis attacked the USSR. The article had noted that the reality was more complex. Despite the fact that people were forcibly removed from their homes and sent off to locations unknown traveling in and winding up in unspeakable conditions, for certain groups among them the tragedy was a blesing in disguise. The Jews, political radicals, and any healthy males between the ages of 14 and 30, the article argued, stood a far higher chance of surviving until 1945 in Siberian exile than they would have in an Estonia occupied by hostile foreign forces and a passageway for advancing and retreating armies.
For presenting this viewpoint for consideration I was excoriated. Nevertheless, I am certain that the actuarial tables support it. The three Baltic countries were, after Poland and Germany, the worst places to be during WW II, particularly if you were a Jew, a person with radical (= leftist leaning) political beliefs, or a young man of draftable age. Former Estonian President Lennart Meri expressed the view several times that his famly had been fortunate, all things considered, to have sat out the war in Siberian exile where they had a higher chance of surviving the war than they would have had in Estonia.