go fuck yourself you lithuanian masturbator
Xenia
> "Xenia" wrote in message
> news:7df91bca.04082...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Baltic languages are probably the latest attested of all Indo-European
> > languages you moron. And Russian is one of the earliest attested of
> > Slavic languages, with such brilliant works of art as Hillarion's
> > Slovo written many centuries before first sizable excerpts of
> > Lithuanian or Polish prose.
>
> What's your point, "Xenia"? (Is that short for Xenophobia?) And is
> "tyusha" (in ) short for "Katyusha" (missiles)?
>
> And Vilnius had a university before Moscow. <snip the rest>
We've been talking about languages, you fucking pussyboy. Go back to
school and learn some good manners when talking with ladies. And also
learn to sign your posts with a Christian name (if you have any).
If you want to speak about education or cultural traditions - start
another thread. A Russian city where I'm living had schools when there
was neither Vilnius nor any other town in Lithuania, so what? If not
for my country, it's pretty certain Vilnius would still be a part of
Poland, like it was before WWII. We may also discuss other topics -
Baltics collaboration with Nazis, the extermination of Vilnius Jews,
your ardent support for Chechen and other Muslim terrorists, &c. Also,
that almost all Olympic medals for the Baltics were won by ethnically
RUssian athletes. I will not be the first to open a can of worms. But
you should start a separate thread on each of these topics and present
us with some solid facts which you haven't.
Your idiotic desultory ejaculations prove that a boorish person like
you cannot discuss any given topic in detail, because you know them
less than a swine knows about oranges.
Goodbye for now,
Xenia
henry alminas
"Xenia" <tyu...@freemail.ru> wrote in message
Sheesh!! Xenia may be a princess but she
shore ain't no lady. I hold Rex (presumably
her poppa) personally responsible for not
providing a warning.
Best - - Henry
Peter T. Daniels
> We've been talking about languages, you fucking pussyboy. Go back to
> school and learn some good manners when talking with ladies. And also
> learn to sign your posts with a Christian name (if you have any).
>
> Your idiotic desultory ejaculations prove that a boorish person like
> you cannot discuss any given topic in detail, because you know them
> less than a swine knows about oranges.
And the Russian rhythmic gymnasts were so beautiful. Evidently they're
far from typical of Russian women.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
MirTopolskiRexPrez
>"Xenia" wrote:
>>Uno Hu (aka Pas de deux) blubbered...
Warning: our second daughter is Xena!
benlizross
I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
".culture." groups. Do you suppose it would be possible to encourage the
"go fuck yourself you russian masturbator" person and the "go fuck
yourself you lithuanian masturbator" person to go and fuck each other
(or masturbate each other), rhythmically, somewhere else?
Ross Clark
Brian M. Scott
<benl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in
<news:41327E...@ihug.co.nz> in
soc.culture.baltics,sci.lang:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> Xenia wrote:
>>> We've been talking about languages, you fucking pussyboy. Go back to
>>> school and learn some good manners when talking with ladies. And also
>>> learn to sign your posts with a Christian name (if you have any).
>>> Your idiotic desultory ejaculations prove that a boorish person like
>>> you cannot discuss any given topic in detail, because you know them
>>> less than a swine knows about oranges.
>> And the Russian rhythmic gymnasts were so beautiful. Evidently they're
>> far from typical of Russian women.
> I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
> ".culture." groups. Do you suppose it would be possible to encourage the
> "go fuck yourself you russian masturbator" person and the "go fuck
> yourself you lithuanian masturbator" person to go and fuck each other
> (or masturbate each other), rhythmically, somewhere else?
I fear that they're exhibitionists.
Brian
MirTopolskiRexPrez
>Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>Xenia wrote:
>>
>>>We've been talking about languages, you fucking pussyboy. Go back to
>>>school and learn some good manners when talking with ladies. And also
>>>learn to sign your posts with a Christian name (if you have any).
>>>
>>>Your idiotic desultory ejaculations prove that a boorish person like
>>>you cannot discuss any given topic in detail, because you know them
>>>less than a swine knows about oranges.
>>
>>And the Russian rhythmic gymnasts were so beautiful. Evidently they're
>>far from typical of Russian women.
>>--
>>Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
>
> I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
> ".culture." groups.
Why ironically? It's US-American "culture" and US-American vocabulary.
They perfectly fit each other.
Andre Keshav
"benlizross" <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
| I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
| ".culture." groups. Do you suppose it would be possible to encourage the
| "go fuck yourself you russian masturbator" person and the "go fuck
| yourself you lithuanian masturbator" person to go and fuck each other
| (or masturbate each other), rhythmically, somewhere else?
That would be a very radical reconciliation.
benlizross
>
> benlizross wrote:
> >Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>Xenia wrote:
> >>
> >>>We've been talking about languages, you fucking pussyboy. Go back to
> >>>school and learn some good manners when talking with ladies. And also
> >>>learn to sign your posts with a Christian name (if you have any).
> >>>
> >>>Your idiotic desultory ejaculations prove that a boorish person like
> >>>you cannot discuss any given topic in detail, because you know them
> >>>less than a swine knows about oranges.
> >>
> >>And the Russian rhythmic gymnasts were so beautiful. Evidently they're
> >>far from typical of Russian women.
> >>--
> >>Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
> >
> > I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
> > ".culture." groups.
>
> Why ironically? It's US-American "culture" and US-American vocabulary.
> They perfectly fit each other.
I hope you understand that I speak from sci.lang, normally a pretty
civilized and interesting newsgroup.
I guess I could have said "perversely", "paradoxically" or something
else, even "falsely".
Do you really feel that "US-American" anything bears complete
responsibility for the legions of Russian, Lithuanian, Turkish, Indian,
Chinese, Korean and many other chauvinists and racists, not to mention
garden-variety anti-Semites, that we find inhabiting these groups? I
suppose American-led technology has given them a place to play, but it
hardly taught them how.
Ross Clark
MirTopolskiRexPrez
> MirTopolskiRexPrez wrote:
>
>>benlizross wrote:
>>
>>>Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>>>Xenia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>We've been talking about languages, you fucking pussyboy. Go back to
>>>>>school and learn some good manners when talking with ladies. And also
>>>>>learn to sign your posts with a Christian name (if you have any).
>>>>>
>>>>>Your idiotic desultory ejaculations prove that a boorish person like
>>>>>you cannot discuss any given topic in detail, because you know them
>>>>>less than a swine knows about oranges.
>>>>
>>>>And the Russian rhythmic gymnasts were so beautiful. Evidently they're
>>>>far from typical of Russian women.
>>>>--
>>>>Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
>>>
>>>I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
>>>".culture." groups.
>>
>>Why ironically? It's US-American "culture" and US-American vocabulary.
>>They perfectly fit each other.
>
> I hope you understand that I speak from sci.lang, normally a pretty
> civilized and interesting newsgroup.
OK, I believe you. That's why you've chosen Japanese ISO-2O22-JP
character encoding? :-)
> I guess I could have said "perversely", "paradoxically" or something
> else, even "falsely".
> Do you really feel that "US-American" anything bears complete
> responsibility for the legions of Russian, Lithuanian, Turkish, Indian,
> Chinese, Korean and many other chauvinists and racists, not to mention
> garden-variety anti-Semites, that we find inhabiting these groups?
Yes - absolutely. It's US-American culture of slang, racism and general
abuse of classic culture that badly influenced other folks and cultures.
> I
> suppose American-led technology has given them a place to play, but it
> hardly taught them how.
I suppose it's both.
Uno Hu
I fear that the russian shot-putter lady (whose gold medal was yanked)
is far more typical.
Uno Hu
> <benl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote
> > I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
> > ".culture." groups. Do you suppose it would be possible to encourage the
> > "go fuck yourself you russian masturbator" person and the "go fuck
> > yourself you lithuanian masturbator" person to go and fuck each other
> > (or masturbate each other), rhythmically, somewhere else?
>
> I fear that they're exhibitionists.
> Brian
So sorry about the overflow, but this sort of thing is almost
predictable behavior by our eastern neighbors. We have had to cope
with such russian sociopathy for decades. In this regard, at least, I
believe that the display of rude behavior has been a demonstrative
reminder to a wider public, of what we've had to endure locally.
It is unfortunate that no discussions regarding Baltic will be allowed
to proceed, undisturbed, as the subject seems to be on their
proscribed list.
I will attempt to truncate the current spate of ill will, leaving you
to your usual pursuits - soonest.
Uno Hu
Xenia
> So sorry about the overflow, but this sort of thing is almost
> predictable behavior by our eastern neighbors. We have had to cope
> with such russian sociopathy for decades. In this regard, at least, I
> believe that the display of rude behavior has been a demonstrative
> reminder to a wider public, of what we've had to endure locally.
Let me remind you who started what:
Uno Hu wrote:
> Both Baltic and Sumerian having been contemporary languages extant 2500
> years before Slavic was ever born
How could you know when "Baltic" or "Slavic" were born? So I answered:
> Baltic languages are probably the latest attested of all Indo-European
> languages you moron. And Russian is one of the earliest attested of
> Slavic languages, with such brilliant works of art as Hillarion's
> Slovo written many centuries before first sizable excerpts of
> Lithuanian or Polish prose.
Citing these words, a certain Baltic poster (apparently yourself)
started a new thread "go fuck yourself you russian masturbator":
> What's your point, "Xenia"? (Is that short for Xenophobia?) And is
> "tyusha" (in <tyu...@freemail.ru>) short for "Katyusha" (missiles)?
>
> And Vilnius had a university before Moscow.
>
> And let's not begin to talk about Chechnya, eh? Or the fat Russian
> drug-taking sow who refuses to give her gold medal back.
What does this have to do with languages? So I answered:
> If you want to speak about education or cultural traditions - start
> another thread. A Russian city where I'm living had schools when there
> was neither Vilnius nor any other town in Lithuania, so what? If not
> for my country, it's pretty certain Vilnius would still be a part of
> Poland, like it was before WWII.
I see that Baltic posters are allowed any kind of offence in this NG.
But only Slavic posters have to take the blame. That's why I'm leaving
your NG in disgust. Bye.
MirTopolskiRexPrez
>Uno Hu wrote:
> [flush]
>
> I see that Baltic posters are allowed any kind of offence in this NG.
No - they are just yankee dumbos. They can't express themselves other way.
benlizross
>
> benlizross wrote:
>
> > MirTopolskiRexPrez wrote:
> >
> >>benlizross wrote:
> >>
> >>>Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Xenia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>We've been talking about languages, you fucking pussyboy. Go back to
> >>>>>school and learn some good manners when talking with ladies. And also
> >>>>>learn to sign your posts with a Christian name (if you have any).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Your idiotic desultory ejaculations prove that a boorish person like
> >>>>>you cannot discuss any given topic in detail, because you know them
> >>>>>less than a swine knows about oranges.
> >>>>
> >>>>And the Russian rhythmic gymnasts were so beautiful. Evidently they're
> >>>>far from typical of Russian women.
> >>>>--
> >>>>Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
> >>>
> >>>I see we have another overflow of sewage from the ironically named
> >>>".culture." groups.
> >>
> >>Why ironically? It's US-American "culture" and US-American vocabulary.
> >>They perfectly fit each other.
> >
> > I hope you understand that I speak from sci.lang, normally a pretty
> > civilized and interesting newsgroup.
>
> OK, I believe you. That's why you've chosen Japanese ISO-2O22-JP
> character encoding? :-)
It chose me, actually.
> > I guess I could have said "perversely", "paradoxically" or something
> > else, even "falsely".
> > Do you really feel that "US-American" anything bears complete
> > responsibility for the legions of Russian, Lithuanian, Turkish, Indian,
> > Chinese, Korean and many other chauvinists and racists, not to mention
> > garden-variety anti-Semites, that we find inhabiting these groups?
>
> Yes - absolutely. It's US-American culture of slang, racism and general
> abuse of classic culture that badly influenced other folks and cultures.
How old did you say you were? Intensive remedial course in world history
strongly recommended.
Ross Clark
MirTopolskiRexPrez
Hey, buddy, I said anything about my age. You said nothing against my
honest answer to your question, either, but I won't hesitate to falsify
your hypothetical counter-argument, provided that you have a one (or
even two :-) ).
Uno Hu
> Uno Hu wrote...
> > So sorry about the overflow, but this sort of thing is almost
> > predictable behavior by our eastern neighbors. We have had to cope
> > with such russian sociopathy for decades. In this regard, at least, I
> > believe that the display of rude behavior has been a demonstrative
> > reminder to a wider public, of what we've had to endure locally.
>
> Let me remind you who started what:
>
> Uno Hu wrote:
> > Both Baltic and Sumerian having been contemporary languages extant 2500
> > years before Slavic was ever born
BZZZT! Wrong again.
That item was posted to SCB only... not in SI. It was *you* that
excerpted slected items from that post in SCB, wrapped it with your
invective, and deposited it here, in sci.lang. Explain your rationale.
BTW.. Yes indeed.. Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus just
about *2500 years after* Baltic culture is to be found in its present
geographical locations.
> How could you know when "Baltic" or "Slavic" were born? So I answered:
> > Baltic languages are probably the latest attested of all Indo-European
> > languages you moron. And Russian is one of the earliest attested of
> > Slavic languages, with such brilliant works of art as Hillarion's
> > Slovo written many centuries before first sizable excerpts of
> > Lithuanian or Polish prose.
Actually... BZZZT!.. you are wrong again.
Russian is *not* one of the earliest Slavic languages attested.
Russian is one of the last Slavic languages attested. The 'Primary'
Chronicle makes references to the early decades of the 1000s at the
earliest (but this with copious revisions in the text)... while the
physical text itself only dates from the mid 1400s.
> Citing these words, a certain Baltic poster (apparently yourself)
> started a new thread "go fuck yourself you russian masturbator":
BZZZT! Wong again, liar. I did not.
> > And let's not begin to talk about Chechnya, eh? Or the fat Russian
> > drug-taking sow who refuses to give her gold medal back.
What "fat Russian sow"? Why do you call your compatriot that?
> What does this have to do with languages?
Nothing. So why do you post it is sci.lang?
> > So I answered:
> > If you want to speak about education or cultural traditions - start
> > another thread. A Russian city where I'm living had schools when there
> > was neither Vilnius nor any other town in Lithuania, so what? If not
> > for my country, it's pretty certain Vilnius would still be a part of
> > Poland, like it was before WWII.
This is not a topic that would interest sci.lang. Respond to SCB where
we are more used to russian misperceptions and can handle them more
directly.
> I see that Baltic posters are allowed any kind of offence in this NG.
> But only Slavic posters have to take the blame. That's why I'm leaving
> your NG in disgust. Bye.
Don't let the dver hit you in the tukas.
Uno Hu
Uno Hu
> Uno Hu wrote...
> > So sorry about the overflow, but this sort of thing is almost
> > predictable behavior by our eastern neighbors. We have had to cope
> > with such russian sociopathy for decades. In this regard, at least, I
> > believe that the display of rude behavior has been a demonstrative
> > reminder to a wider public, of what we've had to endure locally.
>
> Let me remind you who started what:
>
> Uno Hu wrote:
> > Both Baltic and Sumerian having been contemporary languages extant 2500
> > years before Slavic was ever born
BZZZT! Wrong again.
That item was posted to SCB only... not in SI. It was *you* that
excerpted slected items from that post in SCB, wrapped it with your
invective, and deposited it here, in sci.lang. Explain your rationale.
BTW.. Yes indeed.. Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus just
about *2500 years after* Baltic culture is to be found in its present
geographical locations.
> How could you know when "Baltic" or "Slavic" were born? So I answered:
> > Baltic languages are probably the latest attested of all Indo-European
> > languages you moron. And Russian is one of the earliest attested of
> > Slavic languages, with such brilliant works of art as Hillarion's
> > Slovo written many centuries before first sizable excerpts of
> > Lithuanian or Polish prose.
Actually... BZZZT!.. you are wrong again.
Russian is *not* one of the earliest Slavic languages attested.
Russian is one of the last Slavic languages attested. The 'Primary'
Chronicle makes references to the early decades of the 1000s at the
earliest (but this with copious revisions in the text)... while the
physical text itself only dates from the mid 1400s.
> Citing these words, a certain Baltic poster (apparently yourself)
> started a new thread "go fuck yourself you russian masturbator":
BZZZT! Wong again, liar. I did not.
> > And let's not begin to talk about Chechnya, eh? Or the fat Russian
> > drug-taking sow who refuses to give her gold medal back.
What "fat Russian sow"? Why do you call your compatriot that?
> What does this have to do with languages?
Nothing. So why do you post it is sci.lang?
> > So I answered:
> > If you want to speak about education or cultural traditions - start
> > another thread. A Russian city where I'm living had schools when there
> > was neither Vilnius nor any other town in Lithuania, so what? If not
> > for my country, it's pretty certain Vilnius would still be a part of
> > Poland, like it was before WWII.
This is not a topic that would interest sci.lang. Respond to SCB where
we are more used to russian misperceptions and can handle them more
directly.
> I see that Baltic posters are allowed any kind of offence in this NG.
> But only Slavic posters have to take the blame. That's why I'm leaving
> your NG in disgust. Bye.
Don't let the dver hit you in the tukas.
Uno Hu
Harlan Messinger
"Uno Hu" <lora...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:9dff2144.0408...@posting.google.com...
> Don't let the dver hit you in the tukas.
Tukas? Has Russian adopted that?
benlizross
No, it sounds to me like you are the one who needs to supply some
evidence, since your view of reality seems to diverge so strikingly from
the one commonly perceived. Are you telling me, for example, that the
contempt shown for each other by the Russian and the Lithuanian we have
been reading is due to American influence? Or that Greeks and Turks, or
Japanese and Koreans, or Hindus and Muslims, learned to dislike each
other from the Americans? Or that the USA invented anti-Semitism? Or,
perhaps, that 200 years ago, before the USA existed, the world was a
peaceful place free of ethnic and racial animosity? Some evidence for
any of these would be relevant.
Ross Clark
MirTopolskiRexPrez
To begin with, we are talking about "fucking" *form* of discussion (re:
"go fuck yourself you this or that"). This form was unthinkable in open
*written* communication in the 70s (or even 80s - correct me if I am
wrong). Neither in USA nor elsewhere. And for heaven's sake not in
"communist world" ! Things changed dramatically after the end of Cold
War. On the one hand USA went crazy and dropped its ex-european cultural
taboos, while on other hand the rest of "civilized" world - and
especially newly re-converted ex-commies - tried its best to imitate the
last self-proclaimed superpower (proudly presenting itself in its
"fucking" movies). I recall that in the 90s somebody was called an
'asshole' (by well-known gentlemen J. Fischer) even in German Bundestag.
The underlying informal argument was: "hey, it's no big deal, nowadays
our yankee masters say 'asshole' and 'fuck you' more often than
old-fashioned Germans 'danke schoen' and 'bitte sehr' ".
benlizross
So you're really talking about public (written) use of previously taboo
language. OK, maybe the Americans led the way in this, I don't know. Rey
Aman would probably have an informed opinion.
That was "to begin with". Is there anything else? You did start off
mentioning things other than bad language.
Ross Clark
MirTopolskiRexPrez
>>The underlying informal argument was: "hey, it's no big deal, nowadays
>>our yankee masters say 'asshole' and 'fuck you' more often than
>>old-fashioned Germans 'danke schoen' and 'bitte sehr' ".
>
> So you're really talking about public (written) use of previously taboo
> language. OK, maybe the Americans led the way in this, I don't know. Rey
> Aman would probably have an informed opinion.
> That was "to begin with". Is there anything else? You did start off
> mentioning things other than bad language.
I was talking about *form* of culture. What remains it to analyze its
*substantial* consequences, but this is a long story. At the moment I
don't see any substance in Russian-Latvian-Lithuanian "fucking" dialogue
(actually trilogue) in question.
Igor Sklar
> tyu...@freemail.ru (Xenia) 'Whitey' of thr leathered bra, wrote:
> > How could you know when "Baltic" or "Slavic" were born? So I answered:
> > > Baltic languages are probably the latest attested of all Indo-European
> > > languages you moron. And Russian is one of the earliest attested of
> > > Slavic languages, with such brilliant works of art as Hillarion's
> > > Slovo written many centuries before first sizable excerpts of
> > > Lithuanian or Polish prose.
>
> Actually... BZZZT!.. you are wrong again.
> Russian is *not* one of the earliest Slavic languages attested.
> Russian is one of the last Slavic languages attested. The 'Primary'
> Chronicle makes references to the early decades of the 1000s at the
> earliest (but this with copious revisions in the text)... while the
> physical text itself only dates from the mid 1400s.
Hmm... Do you understand what heresy you are talking? What does the
Russian Primary Chronicle have to do with earliest works of Russian
prose? You were reminded about the impressive "Slovo o zakone i
blagodati" written for Yaroslav the Wise in the 1030s. The first
extant Russian gospel dates back to 1057:
http://www.nlr.ru:8101/eng/nlr/manuscript/slavonic.htm. And the first
Lithuanian edition of the Bible followed half a millenium later, in
1590.
I may remind you that Yaroslav himself was a son of Byzantine
princess, married to a Swedish princess, his sisters were Queen of
Poland and Duchess of Hungary, his niece was Queen of Scotland, his
three daughters were Queens of France, Hungary, and Norway, his sons
were married to Byzantine and Polish princesses, his granddaugher was
the German Empress, and his grandson was married to a daughter of the
English king. It is remarkable that his daughter who married a king of
France could spell her name, but her husband couldn't because of his
illiteracy.
It's highly recommended to get some basic knowledge about particular
culture before making any sweeping statements about it.
regards
E.Zvinys
> Hmm... Do you understand what heresy you are talking? What does the
> Russian Primary Chronicle have to do with earliest works of Russian
> prose? You were reminded about the impressive "Slovo o zakone i
> blagodati" written for Yaroslav the Wise in the 1030s. The first
> extant Russian gospel dates back to 1057:
> http://www.nlr.ru:8101/eng/nlr/manuscript/slavonic.htm. And the first
> Lithuanian edition of the Bible followed half a millenium later, in
> 1590.
Although it does not make any difference in this particular case, you
are referring to the edition published in the GDL. There was an
edition of the Lithuanian Bible published in Prussia/Koenigsberg by a
priest by the name Mazvydas (Mosvidius) in 1547.
> I may remind you that Yaroslav himself was a son of Byzantine
> princess, married to a Swedish princess, his sisters were Queen of
> Poland and Duchess of Hungary, his niece was Queen of Scotland, his
> three daughters were Queens of France, Hungary, and Norway, his sons
> were married to Byzantine and Polish princesses, his granddaugher was
> the German Empress, and his grandson was married to a daughter of the
> English king. It is remarkable that his daughter who married a king of
> France could spell her name, but her husband couldn't because of his
> illiteracy.
Amazing, is it not? All these names, great history, literacy tradition
but - where is the result? On the other note, do you think it matters?
Best regards,
Evaldas
Paul J Kriha
>
> BZZZT! Wrong again.
> That item was posted to SCB only... not in SI. It was *you* that
> excerpted slected items from that post in SCB, wrapped it with your
> invective, and deposited it here, in sci.lang. Explain your rationale.
>
> BTW.. Yes indeed.. Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus just
> about *2500 years after* Baltic culture is to be found in its present
> geographical locations.
What do you mean by "Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus"?
AFAIK Cyril and Method devised a new orthography suitable for
existing Slavic languages then they translated various and substantial
religious texts using the new orthography into one of the South Slavic
dialects which was thus frozen and is known today as OCS.
That resulted in Slavic being declared as one of the four _holy_ languages.
AFAIK, the earliest known Baltic writings were
(a) couple of lines written in 1369 in an unidentified Baltic language in Basel
epigrams by a student/scribe at the University of Prague in Bohemia.
Kayle rekyse thoneaw labonache thewelyse
Eg koyte poyte nykoyte pe-nega doyte
(b) the earliest substantial texts known as Old Prussian Catechisms were
published by Hans Weinreich in Koenigsberg in 1545 .
However, be it as it may, any of that has very little to do with _birth_ of
a language.
Paul JK
[...]
>
> Uno Hu
Eugene Holman
<paul.nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Uno Hu <lora...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:9dff2144.0408...@posting.google.com...
> > tyu...@freemail.ru (Xenia) 'Whitey' of thr leathered bra, wrote:
<deletions>
Uno Hu[i] is a concretist - or conrete head. He rejects historical
reconstruction, historical linguistics, as well as information about
non-written languages that can be discovered by studying loanwords. Thus
he does not believe that it is possible to obtain any scientifically valid
information about a language until it has been committed to writing.
> What do you mean by "Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus"?
He means that he does not understand that the Slavic languages of that
time were the result of a millennia-long process of linguistic evolution.
In actual fact, each Slavic language, then and now, is the localized
result of unbroken chains of intergenerational language transmission
dating back to Indo-European. When we consider a particular language to
have been "born" or come into being is usually based on arbitrary,
often non-linguistic factors. In the year 1100, for example, nobody went
to the tower, played the trumpet, and proclaimed: "Old English is dead.
From now on, you will speak Middle English!".
> AFAIK Cyril and Method devised a new orthography suitable for
> existing Slavic languages then they translated various and substantial
> religious texts using the new orthography into one of the South Slavic
> dialects which was thus frozen and is known today as OCS.
> That resulted in Slavic being declared as one of the four _holy_ languages.
>
> AFAIK, the earliest known Baltic writings were
> (a) couple of lines written in 1369 in an unidentified Baltic language
in Basel
> epigrams by a student/scribe at the University of Prague in Bohemia.
>
> Kayle rekyse thoneaw labonache thewelyse
> Eg koyte poyte nykoyte pe-nega doyte
>
> (b) the earliest substantial texts known as Old Prussian Catechisms were
> published by Hans Weinreich in Koenigsberg in 1545 .
>
> However, be it as it may, any of that has very little to do with _birth_ of
> a language.
Correct. Baltic loanwords in phonologically fossilized forms can be found
in all of the Baltic-Finnic languages. Historical linguistics tells us
that contacts between the Baltic and the Baltic-Finnic languages date back
to approximately 4,000 years ago, even if the Baltic and Baltic-Finnic
languages were first attested in writing only during the Middle Ages.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Uno Hu
> > BTW.. Yes indeed.. Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus just
> > about *2500 years after* Baltic culture is to be found in its present
> > geographical locations.
>
> What do you mean by "Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus"?
> AFAIK Cyril and Method devised a new orthography suitable for
> existing Slavic languages then they translated various and substantial
> religious texts using the new orthography into one of the South Slavic
> dialects which was thus frozen and is known today as OCS.
What "existing Slavic languages"? Old Bulgarian?
> That resulted in Slavic being declared as one of the four _holy_ languages.
Holy to some, unholy to others.
> AFAIK, the earliest known Baltic writings were
> (a) couple of lines written in 1369 in an unidentified Baltic language in Basel
> epigrams by a student/scribe at the University of Prague in Bohemia.
I think that's about right... and your point was..?
> Kayle rekyse thoneaw labonache thewelyse
> Eg koyte poyte nykoyte pe-nega doyte
Was that the beer-drinking bit? Transcribed by a german, wasn't it?
> (b) the earliest substantial texts known as Old Prussian Catechisms were
> published by Hans Weinreich in Koenigsberg in 1545 .
>
> However, be it as it may, any of that has very little to do with _birth_ of
> a language.
> Paul JK
Yes, you have that part right.
Uno Hu
The Black Monk
Yes, yes. But your claim that he was Russian is false. He was as
Russian as the Caesars were Romanian.
BM
piotr panek
[...]
[some reasonable arguments against Uno Hu's claims]
[...]
Paul, haven't you learnt yet to ignore that guy's jokes about "the
invention of Slavic language by Ciril and Methody", "Gothic as a Baltic
language" etc.?
cheers
piotrek
Uno Hu
in message news:<ch6sn4$n6b$1...@inews.gazeta.pl>...
V glavnim obrazom pan piotrek, ya'll got it wrong.
I never wrote "the invention of Slavic language by Ciril and Methody"..
Not even in way of serial prosody.
Poka, and mind your quotes.
Glagolitically,
Uno Hu
Eugene Holman
lora...@cs.com (Uno Hu) wrote:
While it is true that you didn't state it quite that bluntly, you are on
record as having said: "Slavic only begins with St.cyril and company -
just a few centuries ago." Your nonsense about Gothic being a Baltic
language has been repeated in several of your postings, and soundly
refuted in several posted by others as well as by myself.
The smoking gun no. 1.:
<quote>
From: lora...@cs.com (Uno Hu)
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benlizross <benl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote
> > Incidentally, does anyone know if Indo-European words for wagon are also
> > derived from a common root?
>
> Yes, the root *wegh-, which at least in Latin (veho) and Slavic
> (vez/voz) refers specifically to carrying things by vehicle.
> Ross Clark
That would be an impossibility.
Slavic only begins with St.cyril and company - just a few centuries ago.
Uno Hu
</quote>
>
> Poka, and mind your quotes.
>
> Glagolitically,
> Uno Hu
You *claimed* the Goths to be a Baltic people, and their language not to
be Germanic, and thus presumably Baltic, naming your thread "Gothic as
Baltic":
Smoking gun no. 2:
<quote>
From: lora...@cs.com (Uno Hu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.baltics,sci.lang
Subject: Gothic as Baltic
Date: 25 Mar 2004 10:32:18 -0800
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lora...@cs.com (Uno Hu) wrote:
<deletions>
Gothic doesn't have a Germanic pedigree and *cannot* have had one, for
the simple reason that neither German nor 'germanics' existed at the
time in question.
The Gothic nation were not descended from poeple who lived 1500 years
later than they themselves did. One cannot be descended from thin air.
The Goths were Baltic.
Uno Hu
</quote>
Fess up, boy, you've been NAILED!
/EH
piotr panek
> piotr panek <piotr...@onegazetatwo.threeplfour> wrote
> in message news:<ch6sn4$n6b$1...@inews.gazeta.pl>...
>
>
> V glavnim obrazom pan piotrek, ya'll got it wrong.
Why do you write to me in this language (Russian?). I understood the
point, but it is not my mother tongue at all.
> I never wrote "the invention of Slavic language by Ciril and Methody"..
> Not even in way of serial prosody.
>
So, how should I understand the following claims?
<9dff2144.03122...@posting.google.com>
"Slavic was invented by two monks from Constantinople rather recently."
<9dff2144.04083...@posting.google.com>
"Slavic was born with SS Cyril and Methodus just
about *2500 years after* Baltic culture is to be found in its present
geographical locations"
<9dff2144.04011...@posting.google.com>
"It's quite funny actually.. seeing as how Slavic was invented by two
deluded Greek monks just a while back."
Of course, there are also your posts, where you write, they just
modified already existing Slavic or Bulgarian language...
> Poka, and mind your quotes.
>
> Glagolitically,
> Uno Hu
pozdrawiam
piotrek