For Cedrins
Vladimir Makarenko
If Russia ever attacks Latvia - I will be on your side.
Period.(I am very good militarily)
Take it or leave it.
I am tired you doubt me -I had qn experience with Latvians, you don't
know how important this "footprint" is with me.
I am for Baltic - I am not BS. I just do not know what is the best,
optimal way to go.
You and Vello may think otherwise - but in the end 0f the day - feeling
uneasy - I will step on side apaft from different- say "thank you" to
your Lady President - She turned one Russian from a sworn enemy into
die hard ally.
If it helps.
VM.
Anton
There would not be much for the Russian Army to take except note of
debts. The Swedes know the 21st century way to take a country: send in
the bankers. A documentary was shown yesterday on TV here on the
subject. It is sad that everybody has to suffer because of some peoples
idiocy. I propose the Swedes write the Latvian loans as losses and foot
the bill - it was their risk after all. As a compensation the Latvian
yuppie types that took the most stupid loans - just to fill a garage
with yuppie cars - should do community service 6h-10h a week to help old
people with their leaking kitchen sink pipe, or carry their groceries...
something like that.
--
Anton
Dmitry
From what I hear, the situation in Latvia is a catastrophy. Those who
went for these loans in the past are particularly affected, they have
a massive dead and no income to pay it back. But those who lived in
line with their incomes are affected too. Everyone seems to be
talking about leaving the country, some manage to suceed, but there
aren't many vacansies in Western Europe any more. All together it is
very sad news. Latvia wasn't prepared for economic crisies of such
scale. People blame the government....
Vladimir Makarenko
Sounds like a good proposal.
Latvians are misplacing their anger - they should kick the bankers not
some poor bastard in the riot police uniform.
And the rest of the world too.
As to fancy cars - they there had no experience, I was told by my
colleagues that a driver in their institute bought (of course on loan) a
Volvo. Probably now is ready to cut its tires himself.
They were like kids in a candy store. Well now came diarrhea.
As in the saying: "Beating will continue till moral improves".
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
The banks were giving loans in $$ - but they are paid in Rubles, Ruble
meanwhile fell against $$ ~ 30%.
I can only guess how one feels watching during a day how his loan grows
through the roof.
VM.
Anton
> Vladimir Makarenko wrote:
>> As to fancy cars - they there had no experience, I was told by my
>> colleagues that a driver in their institute bought (of course on loan)
>> a Volvo. Probably now is ready to cut its tires himself.
>
>
> The banks were giving loans in $$ - but they are paid in Rubles, Ruble
> meanwhile fell against $$ ~ 30%.
> I can only guess how one feels watching during a day how his loan grows
> through the roof.
>
> VM.
Exactly the same happened in Finland in the early 1990s. Some people had
loans in foreign currencies and the FIM was devalued 14%.
--
Anton
Vladimir Makarenko
Basically banks went working as Casinos - fooling people into gamble.
When visiting Russia I was amazed - CitiBank: if you have a proof that
you own a car or traveled abroad within last 6 months - we have a bag of
cash for you.
The problem is as old as the world: people even if understanding that
there is no such thing as free lunch still would go for it.
And end up their lives ruined.
"Beating will continue till moral improves".
It just too much of bad luck - after nineties they just started to
breath and here it comes again.
But they will make it - one can complain everything about them - but not
that they are wusses. They will make it. They are really tough.
VM.
Tadas Blinda
> "Beating will continue till moral improves".
Now that we are all joining together and loving each other while
hating G.O.D, allow me to do you a favour: the word you want is
"morale" (not "moral") and the prcise quote is as below. (Who'd a
thunk that there would be a Wikipedia article on it?)
The beatings will continue until morale improves
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The beatings will continue until morale improves" is a famous quote
of questionable origin. It literally denotes how morale, possibly in a
military unit or some other rigid environment, will be kept high
through the use of physical violence. More importantly, the phrase is
used sarcastically to indicate the counterproductive nature of
punishment, and by extension, of excessive control over subordinates
such as children at home or staff at the workplace.
Origin
The origin of the phrase is largely unknown.[citation needed] The most
commonly cited story for the origin of the phrase comes from the
Japanese Imperial Navy during World War II.[1][2] Supposedly, the
phrase was first used by a commander of the Japanese Submarine Force.
[3] The quote was not meant to be taken literally but instead was
facetious[4]. Another story relates to a case in Canada over a
military officer fired for political reasons in which he uttered a
similar quote.[5]
Modern usage
The phrase is used commonly on t-shirts and bumper stickers.[6] Both
ThinkGeek and Buy.com sell merchandise adorned with the famous quote.
[7] [8]. Contemporary individualist philosophers have used the phrase
to illustrate the "broken window fallacy" as regards to government
using economic calamities as justifications for increases in taxation
or other onerous regulations.[9] The phrase has made appearances on
The Simpsons as well as Life in Hell, both projects of Matt Groening.
[1] American rock band Murder by Death reference the epithet in a song
entitled "Until Morale Improves, The Beatings Will Continue", from
their 2003 release Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them?.
[10] The phrase was also brought into public scrutiny in the case of
"City of New York vs. Columbia University Intramurals Team Violence",
in which a flag football team refused to remove the saying from their
uniforms, citing Freedom of Speech and their well documented history
of improving team morale with beatings of the lashing variety. The
lyric also appears in the song "Free Your Hate" off of KMFDM's album
"Hau Ruck"
See also
* One-liner joke
* Laconic phrase
* Broken window fallacy
References
1. ^ a b MetaFilter:Query
2. ^ Military Leadership Link
3. ^ Armedforces.co.uk: This has also been related to stories of
Blackbeard. The Management of Defense, found under Useful Quotations.
Link
4. ^ History of the phrase Link
5. ^ 1967 Winnipeg Free Press (Mar. 30) "Reinstate Admiral, Dief
Urges" p. 12: Mr. Diefenbaker said senior retired officers who
testified before the Commons defence committee all warned that
unification will be detrimental to the morale and effectiveness of the
armed forces. "In the last few weeks, HMCS Saguenay in its daily
orders, and I have them here, has stated that leave will end 'until
morale improves.'"
6. ^ funtocollect.com [1]
7. ^ ThinkGeek merchandise Link
8. ^ Buy.com merchandise Link
9. ^ "The Beatings Should Continue Until Moral Improves"
10. ^ http://www.murderbydeath.com/disc.php?disc_id=5
Vladimir Makarenko
> On Jul 10, 12:21 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Beating will continue till moral improves".
>
> Now that we are all joining together and loving each other while
> hating G.O.D, allow me to do you a favour: the word you want is
> "morale" (not "moral") and the prcise quote is as below. (Who'd a
> thunk that there would be a Wikipedia article on it?)
>
> The beatings will continue until morale improves
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>
> "The beatings will continue until morale improves" is a famous quote
> of questionable origin. It literally denotes how morale, possibly in a
> military unit or some other rigid environment, will be kept high
> through the use of physical violence. More importantly, the phrase is
> used sarcastically to indicate the counterproductive nature of
> punishment, and by extension, of excessive control over subordinates
> such as children at home or staff at the workplace.
>
> Origin
>
> The origin of the phrase is largely unknown.[citation needed] The most
> commonly cited story for the origin of the phrase comes from the
> Japanese Imperial Navy during World War II.[1][2] Supposedly, the
> phrase was first used by a commander of the Japanese Submarine Force.
> [3] The quote was not meant to be taken literally but instead was
> facetious[4]. Another story relates to a case in Canada
I knew it, I knew it - the Captain - who else?
This ugly pot smoking, taiga walking, bear dressed, - it is HIM.
Trust me - I am A Russkie, I know all enemies. Btw where you have been
in 1945?
VM.
anita
> > On Jul 10, 12:21 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Now that we are all joining together and loving each other while
> > hating G.O.D, allow me to do you a favour: the word you want is
> > "morale" (not "moral") and the prcise quote is as below. �(Who'd a
> > thunk that there would be a Wikipedia article on it?)
Question - since I don't read Cyrillic (more than to figure out basic
street signs and package labels) - this outpouring by this fella -
does it make any sense, thematically or otherwise? Any rhyme/reason?
Or is it just basically cut and paste from any website he can find,
reposted?
Vladimir Makarenko
He posts again and again - Russian police notices mostly related to the
racial or sex crimes. His message is "Russia is a sick Country".
Russia is not. He is.
He is sick.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
I asked him - why you do Nothing? No answer.
Except "Russkies are bad".
For me - it's the end of the story. He is just another Phony.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
If Russia was sick as he states - it wouldn't be today on the world map.
But despite scumbags there are real people out there.
VM.
Anton
> From what I hear, the situation in Latvia is a catastrophy.
Yes, similar economic crisis' have taken place in many countries from
Finland� to Argentine, but Latvia's free fall is one of the worst. It
seems every country goes through a "getting high then terrible hang
over" phase at least once. The foundation was not so strong to begin
with either, hence the severity of the crisis, I guess.
> Those who
> went for these loans in the past are particularly affected, they have
> a massive dead and no income to pay it back. But those who lived in
> line with their incomes are affected too.
That is the most frustrating aspect of it: some fools sink the ship and
everybody goes down with it. You can try to be smart in managing your
own life, and if you do wrong decisions you can blame your self, but
nothing can protect you circumstances you can not control yourself.
(Circumstances in this case irresponsible compatriots, bankers and
incompetent government)
> Everyone seems to be
> talking about leaving the country, some manage to suceed, but there
> aren't many vacansies in Western Europe any more.
True. There is a crisis - although milder - in West as well, and
narrowing of opportunities makes things so much worse for people living
in a country stricken as bad as Latvia.
> All together it is
> very sad news.
Indeed. The Latvians are learning 21st cent capitalism the hard way.
Although one can't really blame people when wanting a western lifestyle
either. It is not realistic to expect ordinary people to learn to be
economically smart over night, but being knowledgeable in risk
management is supposed to be part of a banker's job. Hence in my opinion
the bankers, especially those who can afford it should foot the bill.
There is no way the banks will be getting all of their money back anyway.
> Latvia wasn't prepared for economic crisies of such
> scale. People blame the government....
Often in good economic times the ones who question the way things are
managed are considered "bad weather birds" who 'spoil the fun'. Very few
want to be the voice of reason when nobody appreciates it.
�) http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2008/0912/1221138433311.html
--
Anton
Vladimir Makarenko
> competition in this particular village, my vote goes to Makarenko for
> this prize-winning posting.
Whatever you say Misha.
(I am however amazed - you like to vote?: is it in your book that you
only like to take and give orders? Maybe I wrong - I give you a credit
of doubt that I misinterpret what you're trying to say).
But as a matter of fact - this world is more with me than with your
tribal anger.
Not to like Baltics is not a crime. To be the Biggest guy on the block
and violently harass them is. You are angry because they after 50 years
in prison say what they thought all these years. Maybe you need to look
elsewhere to find a perpetrator to blame.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
> the same thing under the nick of "demi-god", then he must've given
> himself a promotion. Usually, he litters in Russian-language
> newsgroups. His arrival here must've been prompted by cross-posting.
>
> The only sensible way of dealing with him is ignoring.
Hah, - amazing I agree with Misha on something.
But I learned it from Russian press a couple of years ago - somebody
called her "a genius exiled to EU bureaucracy prison".
Let's see what Lithuanians will say.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
Oops, - I replied the wrong post of M Medved - I meant the one where he
expresses congratulations to Lithuania with the new President.
I join him in that.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
> On Jul 10, 12:21 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Beating will continue till moral improves".
>
> Now that we are all joining together and loving each other
Just wait a couple of days:
everything will come back - no place for nostalgy. We'll be back to our
comfortable "I really hate you" - "no - I hate you much more".
VM.
Dmitry
> Dmitry kirjoitti:
>
> > From what I hear, the situation in Latvia is a catastrophy.
>
> Yes, similar economic crisis' have taken place in many countries from
> Finland¹ to Argentine, but Latvia's free fall is one of the worst. It
> seems every country goes through a "getting high then terrible hang
> over" phase at least once. The foundation was not so strong to begin
> with either, hence the severity of the crisis, I guess.
Even when the figures were showing economic growth Latvia had
significant unemployment and poverty problems. Pensioners had it
worst. The foundation wasn't strong, for the past 18 years members of
government were primarily concentrating on serving their personal
needs (this is the legacy of Sovok - one has to get mximum benefits
from their job position).
>
> > Those who
> > went for these loans in the past are particularly affected, they have
> > a massive dead and no income to pay it back. But those who lived in
> > line with their incomes are affected too.
>
> That is the most frustrating aspect of it: some fools sink the ship and
> everybody goes down with it. You can try to be smart in managing your
> own life, and if you do wrong decisions you can blame your self, but
> nothing can protect you circumstances you can not control yourself.
> (Circumstances in this case irresponsible compatriots, bankers and
> incompetent government)
I think there is a larger proportion of "irresponsible population"
here in England. Loan offers were constantly arriving through
letterboxes, TV adverts etc. and plenty of people went for them. When
the house prices went up they started pushing equity loans - again
plenty of people wen't for it (lower interest rates) and now many
people have mortgages higher than the value of their property. I
don't think Latvian public had the same level of pressure/offers.
>
> > Everyone seems to be
> > talking about leaving the country, some manage to suceed, but there
> > aren't many vacansies in Western Europe any more.
>
> True. There is a crisis - although milder - in West as well, and
> narrowing of opportunities makes things so much worse for people living
> in a country stricken as bad as Latvia.
>
> > All together it is
> > very sad news.
>
> Indeed. The Latvians are learning 21st cent capitalism the hard way.
> Although one can't really blame people when wanting a western lifestyle
> either. It is not realistic to expect ordinary people to learn to be
> economically smart over night, but being knowledgeable in risk
> management is supposed to be part of a banker's job. Hence in my opinion
> the bankers, especially those who can afford it should foot the bill.
> There is no way the banks will be getting all of their money back anyway.
Yes, those who are directly responsible should fit the bill.
>
> > Latvia wasn't prepared for economic crisies of such
> > scale. People blame the government....
>
> Often in good economic times the ones who question the way things are
> managed are considered "bad weather birds" who 'spoil the fun'. Very few
> want to be the voice of reason when nobody appreciates it.
>
> ¹)http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2008/0912/1221138433311.html
>
> --
> Anton
Anton
> Anton wrote:
>> Vladimir Makarenko kirjoitti:
>>> Vladimir Makarenko wrote:
>>>> As to fancy cars - they there had no experience, I was told by my
>>>> colleagues that a driver in their institute bought (of course on
>>>> loan) a Volvo. Probably now is ready to cut its tires himself.
>>> The banks were giving loans in $$ - but they are paid in Rubles,
>>> Ruble meanwhile fell against $$ ~ 30%.
>>> I can only guess how one feels watching during a day how his loan
>>> grows through the roof.
>> Exactly the same happened in Finland in the early 1990s. Some people
>> had loans in foreign currencies and the FIM was devalued 14%.
> Basically banks went working as Casinos - fooling people into gamble.
Basically the same scenario has at some point of time taken place all
over the world - only flavors and the degree has varied.
> When visiting Russia I was amazed - CitiBank: if you have a proof that
> you own a car or traveled abroad within last 6 months - we have a bag of
> cash for you.
Sounds totally insane. In this country in the late 1980s, early 1990s
the banker would not in some of the worst cases even bother to check if
the loan applicant actually had employment of any kind or not.
> The problem is as old as the world: people even if understanding that
> there is no such thing as free lunch still would go for it.
> And end up their lives ruined.
Yeah, it is universal. There is a tendency for the human to let the
dreams of a better life to take priority over "what if". Being careful
means giving up on pursuing things like a bigger house etc, and that is
a "fun spoiler". Sometimes only a few variables need to be altered for a
"normal risk" to become disaster. It would only take two things for
Yours Undersigned to be in deep shit too: 1) lose the job and not find a
new one with same level of salary + b) real estate prices go down
30%-40%. (Well I know for sure from by bachelor days of youth I could
survive, but supporting a family is another matter...)
> "Beating will continue till moral improves".
>
> It just too much of bad luck - after nineties they just started to
> breath and here it comes again.
> But they will make it - one can complain everything about them - but not
> that they are wusses. They will make it. They are really tough.
Countries can be very different, but I guess two types of reactions to a
crisis applies to all human beings: Some are tough bastards and will
work two jobs or run an additional business to get them out from the
hole. Some just pull the plug in one way or the other.
--
Anton
Vladimir Makarenko
> relationship to me.
>
> And yes, you are still a village idiot.
I guess you mind yourself as the village genius, so be it - just
remember that in villages people usually do not discern between the two.
> For a 7-year old boy, your
> posting would be amusing. But from an old fart like yourself it is
> expected to be a little more mature.
Well, we are dealing here with very peculiar situation - Baltics Russia
relations. As a matter of fact rather than my private opinion that
considerable and influential part of Baltics political establishment is
afraid of Russia. Emotions almost always bring everything on the level
of adolescent intellect and probably has to be dealt accordingly.
VM.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
It took you all these decades to finally realise the obvious: that
Baltic politicians suffer from russophobia?!
>
> Emotions almost always bring everything on the level
> of adolescent intellect and probably has to be dealt accordingly.
>
And you think that your adolescent outburst will impress the Baltics
political establishment so much that they will abandon their life-long
belief, held since 1992, that Russia is going to invade them tomorrow?
What will that leave them to live for? And if their voters stop being
russophobic - who will keep electing this fear-mongering current
Baltics political establishment?
Remember that panick- and fear-mongers are like Annie: they love
tomorrow, because tomorrow never comes.
Peteris Cedrins
I for one don't know what you're talking about. You can't invade
anybody; you're a weak piece of shit empire, Burkina Faso with nukes.
Now you've gotten a nice gloss from minerals, but it's not especially
convincing to anybody except maybe Holman. You're having horrible
trouble invading yourselves. Nobody I know is worried about any other
invasion. The main worry is the kind you have when the homeless person
at the next table starts playing with the fork in ways you couldn't
dream of. You bomb yourselves, you kill your own people, you snuff
your democracy, and basically act like a crack whore but a proud one,
oh the pride... it's worrisome, yeah, but I think most Balts are
intelligent enough to realize that "it's just Russia." We've lived
next to it for a long time, and there were a few moments where some
may have worried that the West might be taken in; I mean, that some
might take you seriously. Nobody does. Some had hopes. They look
pretty dopey now. Panic? Spare me. It's just another day humoring the
Cyclops.
Regards,
/P
Dmitry
And the result of that "russophobia" is: Russian schools, plenty of
media in Russian language, most of things are labeled in Russian etc.
etc.
Well, at least in Latvia. Nobody can seriously complain about the
rights of Russian-speaking population to their language, culture,
religion/s and so on. What russophobia are you talking about? Phrase
"vodka i vobla"? For the past 18 years the main problem in Latvian
politics was corruption, which is very much of a legacy of Latvia's
USSR past.
Ostap, nobody believes that Russia is about to invade Baltics. Apart
from politicians - russophobia is not very common in Baltics. You can
be as "Russian" as you like there. The only thing you are asked to do
is to learn national language (or do you think this is unfair?)
Vladimir Makarenko
Russia-Baltics relations stuck in nowhere, on one side it is snobbism
of big country - "who cares...". On the other side it is a Russian scare
to trade in local politics. Meanwhile nothing is moving. Boring. If
previous approaches didn't work one has to try something else. Otherwise
fifty years later it'll be the same standing water - just a breeding
ground for political mosquitoes.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
Oops, Peten'ka woke up in a very bad mood.
Petya try L-tryptophan, it safely boosts serotonin level.
VM.
Peteris Cedrins
I forget where it came from, but it has been pointed out many a time
that the very best place for a Russian is Latvia. Not Russia --
Latvia. I'm not frightened by that or ashamed of that -- I'm proud of
that. Weirdos like the Carnation Girl end up behind bars in Russia;
here, they can be as weird as they like, say anything they like in
whatever language, elect Stalinists to the EP if they so desire, and
all in all have a ball. Have a ball. It's no skin off my teeth. It was
the same between the wars, in essence -- many Russians who fled the
Bolshevik terror ended up here. I would hope that such people develop
an appreciation for what it is that provides such freedom, but I'm not
counting on it. Ingrates tend to stay ingrates. Consider it a free
public service. For us, it's called civilization. But you know little
about that, no?
Vysu lobu,
/P
Vladimir Makarenko
Hm, reading scb apart - Estonian defense minister few months ago
promised poor Eesti Russkie genocide if defense budget cut down.
So why wouldn't you guys get together and come up with a consensus on
that threat. Because it is very confusing.
VM.
Peteris Cedrins
Volodya, nah, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'll even tolerate you. I
don't play those games. You know that. Stop putting me in that
position then, please. You seem like a cool guy to me, sometimes; I'll
take John's word for it that you are. But that is no reason for me to
take shit, something I shall not do. It's not that I wouldn't like to.
I can even envision the strange scatological desires of such as
Karlamov being pleasurable to somebody somewhere. It just doesn't turn
me on, sorry.
Vsego khoroshego,
/P
Vladimir Makarenko
Petya, you are too serious, c'on it doesn't worth such nerve temperature.
I threw this in because - as I said elsewhere - Baltics-Russia relations
stuck.
Time to move already. Still everybody sticks to status quo.
I have some faint hopes that maybe new Lithuania's pres will make a
fresh push to wake up this swamp. She is a new generation, wants to do
things not talk about them.
VM.
lorad
> Dmitry kirjoitti:
>
> > From what I hear, the situation in Latvia is a catastrophy.
>
> Yes, similar economic crisis' have taken place in many countries from
> Finland¹ to Argentine, but Latvia's free fall is one of the worst. It
> seems every country goes through a "getting high then terrible hang
> over" phase at least once. The foundation was not so strong to begin
> with either, hence the severity of the crisis, I guess.
>
> > Those who
> > went for these loans in the past are particularly affected, they have
> > a massive dead and no income to pay it back. But those who lived in
> > line with their incomes are affected too.
>
> That is the most frustrating aspect of it: some fools sink the ship and
> everybody goes down with it. You can try to be smart in managing your
> own life, and if you do wrong decisions you can blame your self, but
> nothing can protect you circumstances you can not control yourself.
Yep, even russkies you can be right once in a while.
The EU (which had mandated economic conditions in Latvia) sucks.
PS: The russkie colonist malcontents don't help either.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Peteris Cedrins wrote:
> > On 26 Jūl., 08:19, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
>>>> As a matter of fact rather than my private opinion that
>>>> considerable and influential part of Baltics political
>>>> establishment is afraid of Russia.
>
> It took you all these decades to finally realise the obvious:
> that Baltic politicians suffer from russophobia?!
>
> >>> Emotions almost always bring everything on the level
> >>> of adolescent intellect and probably has to be dealt accordingly.
>
> >> And you think that your adolescent outburst will impress the Baltics
> >> political establishment so much that they will abandon their life-long
> >> belief, held since 1992, that Russia is going to invade them tomorrow?
> >> What will that leave them to live for? And if their voters stop being
> >> russophobic - who will keep electing this fear-mongering current
> >> Baltics political establishment?
>
> >> tomorrow, because tomorrow never comes.
>
> > I for one don't know what you're talking about. You can't invade
> > anybody; you're a weak piece of shit empire, Burkina Faso with nukes.
>
That’s true: economically speaking, Russia is not strong. It is on par
with Poland and Latvia in terms of per capita GDP, although it would
be a bit of an hysterical exaggeration to compare Latvia, Poland and
Russia to Burkina Faso. Heck, even wastelands like Georgia and Moldova
are not as poor as Burkina Faso:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
52 Latvia 17,800
54 Poland 17,300
56 Croatia 16,100
57 Russia 15,800
117 Georgia 4,700
141 Moldova 2,500
171 Burkina Faso 1,200
>
> >. Nobody I know is worried about any other
> > invasion. The main worry is the kind you have when the homeless person
> > at the next table starts playing with the fork in ways you couldn't
> > dream of. You bomb yourselves, you kill your own people, you snuff
> > your democracy, and basically act like a crack whore but a proud one,
> > oh the pride... it's worrisome, yeah, but I think most Balts are
> > intelligent enough to realize that "it's just Russia." We've lived
> > next to it for a long time, and there were a few moments where some
> > may have worried that the West might be taken in; I mean, that some
> > might take you seriously. Nobody does. Some had hopes. They look
> > pretty dopey now. Panic? Spare me. It's just another day humoring the
> > Cyclops.
>
> Oops, Peten'ka woke up in a very bad mood.
> Petya try L-tryptophan, it safely boosts serotonin level.
>
Maybe Peteris got upset at his buddy Ed Lucas and decided to sabotage
the sales of Ed's latest armageddon book called "The New Cold War:
Putin's Russia and the Threat to the West":
"Why we are perilously close to defeat—and how we can still win.”
"Then the shadow will stretch over the poorly governed and demoralised
ex-communists of Central Europe and the Baltics. That will bring
Russian neo-imperialism to our front door."
http://edwardlucas.blogspot.com/2007/07/nashi-sex-camp-shock-horror-latest.html
Nashi sex camp shock horror--latest lurid plug for book
Sex for the motherland: Russian youths encouraged to procreate at camp
By EDWARD LUCAS
Sinister: Millions of young Russians at a youth camp discerningly
similar to the Hitler Youth.
Nashi's annual camp is attended by 10,000 uniformed youngsters... If
tens of thousands of uniformed German youngsters were marching across
Germany in support of an authoritarian Fuhrer, baiting foreigners and
praising Hitler, alarm bells would be jangling all across Europe. So
why aren't they ringing about Nashi?
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This stab in Ed's back is especially vicious given that in his
interview to Peteris in 2007, Ed opened up his soul to him and
revealed that his yellow journalism and rant-books are motivated by
financial greed and the need to educate his children, which evidently
a highly expensive thing in the uneducated UK:
http://lettonica.blogspot.com/2007/05/edward-lucas-interview.html
Peteris: You're now writing what you yourself call "rants" for The
Daily Mail -- what's the difference between a rant and an analysis?
Why rant?
Lucas: It helps pay for my children's education.
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>
> >. Nobody I know is worried about any other
> > invasion.
>
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On Aug 1 2007, 4:13 pm, Maris <lat...@london.com> wrote:
>
> It's so amusing watching you Soviet apologists
> wet your knickers.Lucas' article tells it exactly
> how it is - Putin's Russian is Nazi germany
> without the death camps (yet).
>
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>
> > [Russia is] Burkina Faso
>
So, combining Maris and Peteris, we conclude that Nazi Germany was
Burkina Faso with death camps. Interesting…
Peteris Cedrins
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471324/Sex-motherland-Russian...
My dear Karlamov, what I find disturbing in the above is that you
think you understand the motivations of people you don't even know and
haven't even met. This makes everything you think suspect, to my mind.
I don't see eye to eye with Makarenko, for example, but I don't hate
Makarenko and don't wonder whether he's in it for the money or not. I
don't know. I can't know. And even if someone does get money dependent
upon their political posturing -- how could one possibly know whether
that's why they strike such poses? In my experience, people tend to
try to ally their sources of income with their beliefs -- I mean,
that's natural, ain't it? It may not be easy, and one must make
compromises -- but a person with right-wing thoughts is much likelier
to seek work at a right-wing paper, with some exceptions Occam's razor
would usually obviate. Unless you know otherwise. I worked for the
President here, two of 'em, for a couple of years. Did that change my
politics? I held my tongue now and then; that's all. I'm just a
decadent little poet looking for work; if you catch me lying, please
let me know. I will assume the same about everybody in the sense that
I take them at face value firstly. Holman, an American black liberal
transported to Finland, though he ought to draw a salary from the
Kremlin, is just a useful idiot playing his broken records, but not a
bad guy. Dmitry is a cool Latvian-born musician of Russian extraction
living in Nottingham, where he feels he's fated to live. And so on,
and so on. You are a confused Soviet Jew in California using the
Usenet to try to solve internal and perhaps eternal problems that
would delight Freud. Hui is a wayward Latgallian lost in Indianapolis,
as simpatico as they come when not striking certain postures. And so
on! We form opinions from what people write -- how they present
themselves. Forgive a little. Gintas will strive to be the greatest
Lithuanian nationalist that ever lived. But -- to speculate about
hidden motivations? How cheesy. The paper this sort of thing is
printed in is yellow. "Und der Mond war ganz dünn, wie ein Penny, der
schon abgegriffen ist."
/P
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> think you understand the motivations of people you don't even know and
> haven't even met.
>
Whose motivations are you talking about? Yours? Or Ed Lucas’? If the
former – then you are greatly mistaken. As always, your pathological
absence of the sense of humour has lead you to take offence where no
offence was meant. How could you not notice that my posts (as most
other posts of mine) were sarcastic from start to end? Did you really
not notice that my remarks like:
>
> although it would
> > be a bit of an hysterical exaggeration to compare Latvia, Poland and
> > Russia to Burkina Faso.
>
were sarcastic?!
Did you **really** take it that when I wrote:
>
> > Maybe Peteris got upset at his buddy Ed Lucas and decided to sabotage
> > the sales of Ed's latest armageddon book called "The New Cold War:
> > Putin's Russia and the Threat to the West":
>
That when I wrote this, I mean to seriously say that your little post
stating the obvious – that Russia is way to weak to threaten anybody
to West of itself – is going to greatly decrease the sales of Ed’s
book?! Come on! Get real! Our SCB group – including your posts - is
read by at most 30 people in the entire Universe. So, how can anything
you or I write here effect book sales even one bit?
Whatever. That was your longest paragraph ever. Anybody, who has read
it to the end, deserves a medal. I am sure that as always, there are a
lot of valid thoughts in it, but your humourlessness makes it a bore
to read.
In any case, I apologise for forgetting whom I am dealing with and not
putting smileys in my previous post. You and Rostyk simply can’t
detect sarcasm even when it’s obvious. Here is a re-phrase of my
previous post done in a humourless way:
You, Peteris, are right when you say that Russia poses no threat; but
you are wrong when you say that nobody fears Russian invasion. In our
own group, many if not most Balts – Tadas, Lorad, Henry, Maris, Martin
– think that Russia today is exactly like Nazi Germany in the
late1930s and/or that Russia plans to re-occupy the Baltics if not all
of Eastern Europe.
More importantly, so do think and say many influential (but
russophobic and fear mongering) Western journalists and “experts”, for
example Ed Lucas, whose book and article, which I quoted above, also
compare Russia today to Nazi Germany in the late1930s and predict the
imminent Russian invasion of Europe:
“Sinister: Millions of young Russians at a youth camp discerningly
similar to the Hitler Youth.”
“If tens of thousands of uniformed German youngsters were marching
across Germany in support of Fuhrer, praising Hitler, alarm bells
would be jangling all across Europe. So why aren't they ringing about
Nashi?”
"Why we are perilously close to defeat—and how we can still win.”
I suspect that his article was read by at least 1 million people and
his book – by at least 50 000, many of whom are political experts. His
ridiculously fear mongering book and articles have received numerous
praise from other journalists and “experts” who took them very
seriously and agree that Russia is indeed like nazi Germany and if the
West doesn’t defeat Russia with a pre-emotive military strike – Russia
will occupy Eastern Europe:
"Why we are perilously close to defeat—and how we can still win.”
Is this a bit more straightforward and less tolling on your brain than
my previous roundabout sarcastic post? Great. I will try to keep it
simple for you from now on, or at least to spread smileys all over the
place.
Peteris Cedrins
I would love to answer this, but I will instead direct you to a
beautiful poem by a far more eloquent Californian: "Despair in Being
Tedious."
http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Duncan.php
Vsego khoroshego,
/P
lorad
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That when I wrote this, I mean to seriously say that your little post
> stating the obvious – that Russia is way to weak to threaten anybody
> to West of itself – is going to greatly decrease the sales of Ed’s
> book?! Come on! Get real! Our SCB group – including your posts - is
> read by at most 30 people in the entire Universe. So, how can anything
> you or I write here effect book sales even one bit?
Wrong.
288 readers subscribe to SCB, and I would guess that an additional 4
times that number read it occassionally.
I also know that some students have read SCB as assigned classwork.
Granted that many of those 288 subscribers are probably intelligence
agencies that are keeping an eye on you - but that still leaves quite
a few readers.
> You, Peteris, are right when you say that Russia poses no threat; but
> you are wrong when you say that nobody fears Russian invasion. In our
> own group, many if not most Balts – Tadas, Lorad, Henry, Maris, Martin
> – think that Russia today is exactly like Nazi Germany in the
> late1930s and/or that Russia plans to re-occupy the Baltics if not all
> of Eastern Europe.
And you are wrong.
No NATO member fears russian horse thieves anymore.
But russians still pose a threat to Georgian townships... having
stolen two of them just a few months ago.
It's amazing how short sovok memories can be.
> “Sinister: Millions of young Russians at a youth camp discerningly
> similar to the Hitler Youth.”
Same thing.. except that the russian breeding camps produce 'Putin
Youth'; 'Pootey-Poot Lyudi'
> “If tens of thousands of uniformed German youngsters were marching
> across Germany in support of Fuhrer, praising Hitler, alarm bells
> would be jangling all across Europe. So why aren't they ringing about
> Nashi?”
Because it's russia - and nobody cares.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> On Jul 28, 10:03 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > That when I wrote this, I mean to seriously say that your little post
> > stating the obvious – that Russia is way to weak to threaten anybody
> > to West of itself – is going to greatly decrease the sales of Ed’s
> > book?! Come on! Get real! Our SCB group – including your posts - is
> > read by at most 30 people in the entire Universe. So, how can anything
> > you or I write here effect book sales even one bit?
>
> Wrong.
> 288 readers subscribe to SCB, and I would guess that an additional 4
> times that number read it occassionally.
> I also know that some students have read SCB as assigned classwork.
>
How do you know how many people "subscribe to SCB"? Do you know how
Usenet works?
>
> Granted that many of those 288 subscribers are probably intelligence
> agencies that are keeping an eye on you - but that still leaves quite
> a few readers.
>
Yes, intelligence agencies that are keeping an eye on me, and
stupidity agencies that are keeping an eye on you.
>
> > You, Peteris, are right when you say that Russia poses no threat; but
> > you are wrong when you say that nobody fears Russian invasion. In our
> > own group, many if not most Balts – Tadas, Lorad, Henry, Maris, Martin
> > – think that Russia today is exactly like Nazi Germany in the
> > late1930s and/or that Russia plans to re-occupy the Baltics if not all
> > of Eastern Europe.
>
> And you are wrong.
> No NATO member fears russian horse thieves anymore.
>
> But russians still pose a threat to Georgian townships... having
> stolen two of them just a few months ago.
> It's amazing how short sovok memories can be.
>
> > “Sinister: Millions of young Russians at a youth camp discerningly
> > similar to the Hitler Youth.”
>
> Same thing.. except that the russian breeding camps produce 'Putin
> Youth'; 'Pootey-Poot Lyudi'
>
> > Ed Lucas wrote: “If tens of thousands of uniformed
>> German youngsters were marching
> > across Germany in support of Fuhrer, praising Hitler, alarm bells
> > would be jangling all across Europe. So why aren't they ringing about
> > Nashi?”
>
> Because it's russia - and nobody cares.
>
You don't get who said what, do you, oh supidity agent?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Do you really expect me to listen to some tedious poem about the
despair of tedium?!
For some reason, a saying by another far more eloquent Californian,
who also had lived in my own undergraduate dormitory and had the math-
Russian double major, comes to mind:
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/tom_lehrer/
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Alma-lyrics-Tom-Lehrer/DA50884731EAF2F848256A7D00256E43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH4J8CIBc7Q
Tom Lehrer- Alma
“One problem that recurs frequently in books, plays, and movies, is
the inability of people to communicate with the people they love. And
the characters in these books and in real life, I might add, spend
hours bemoaning the fact that they can't communicate. I feel that if a
person can't communicate - the very least he can do is to shut up.”
Here a few more:
“It's people like that who make you realize how little you've
accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for example, that when Mozart
was my age he had been dead for two years.”
“On my income tax 1040 it says "Check this box if you are blind.""
“The Army has carried the American ideal to its logical conclusion.
Not only do they prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race, creed
and color, but also on ability.”
"I know some people feel that marriage as an institution is dying out,
but I disagree, and the point was driven home to me rather forcefully
not long ago by a letter I received in the mail which said: "Darling,
I love you and I cannot live without you. Marry me, or I will kill
myself." Well, I was a little disturbed at that until I took another
look at the envelope and saw that it was addressed to 'occupant'."
Dmitry
> > That when I wrote this, I mean to seriously say that your little post
> > stating the obvious – that Russia is way to weak to threaten anybody
> > to West of itself – is going to greatly decrease the sales of Ed’s
> > book?! Come on! Get real! Our SCB group – including your posts - is
> > read by at most 30 people in the entire Universe. So, how can anything
> > you or I write here effect book sales even one bit?
>
> Wrong.
> 288 readers subscribe to SCB, and I would guess that an additional 4
> times that number read it occassionally.
> I also know that some students have read SCB as assigned classwork.
Is "The Thing" that posts endless articles in the language of ruskies
and his fellow spamers included in your figure?
>
> Granted that many of those 288 subscribers are probably intelligence
> agencies that are keeping an eye on you - but that still leaves quite
> a few readers.
250 of them must be the agents of Kremlin.
>
> > You, Peteris, are right when you say that Russia poses no threat; but
> > you are wrong when you say that nobody fears Russian invasion.
I don't fear Russian invasion, even though Saakashvili warned us about
Russian tanks on the streets of London. There is no fear of Russian
inasion in Latvia either.
> In our
> > own group, many if not most Balts – Tadas, Lorad, Henry, Maris, Martin
> > – think that Russia today is exactly like Nazi Germany in the
> > late1930s and/or that Russia plans to re-occupy the Baltics if not all
> > of Eastern Europe.
>
> And you are wrong.
> No NATO member fears russian horse thieves anymore.
>
> But russians still pose a threat to Georgian townships... having
> stolen two of them just a few months ago.
> It's amazing how short sovok memories can be.
Georgian ownership of Abkhazia and South Ossetia has about the same
level of legitimacy as Russian ownership of Baltic states.
>
> > “Sinister: Millions of young Russians at a youth camp discerningly
> > similar to the Hitler Youth.”
From what I gathered from the pictures and articles - it was a very
similar idea.
>
> Same thing.. except that the russian breeding camps produce 'Putin
> Youth'; 'Pootey-Poot Lyudi'
>
> > “If tens of thousands of uniformed German youngsters were marching
> > across Germany in support of Fuhrer, praising Hitler, alarm bells
> > would be jangling all across Europe.
And what if Topolski's UFOs eventually land on the earth...? Germany
managed to part with its Nazi past very quickly after the war. Russia
is very much slower, it is still full of Sovok.
> So why aren't they ringing about
> > Nashi?”
>
> Because it's russia - and nobody cares.
What do you mean - nobody cares? You go on about the russki thing for
many years now.