They killed a plant...
Andrius
http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/lietuva/po-26-eriu-metu-veiklos-uzdaryta-ignalinos-atomine-elektrine-56-77972
Regards,
Andrius
daniloff
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No wonder
EU systematically kills indusries in Baltic coubtries.
He need not any concurrents but sanitarian cordon around Russia only
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vello
> "Andrius" <ziniatink...@gmail.com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:85db9e60-4c6f-4626...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ...just some minutes ago.
> >http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/lietuva/po-26-eriu-metu-veiklos-...
>
> > Regards,
> > Andrius
>
> No wonder
> EU systematically kills indusries in Baltic coubtries.
> He need not any concurrents but sanitarian cordon around Russia only
>
some personality to need or not need something - it is relatively
loose union with interests if individual countries running much higher
then "common good". About industries - there is not too much industry
left in West. Production is cheaper in other places on Globe so
factories grow there, just head offices remain in West - that's
universal, not about Baltics.
About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
Andrius
It was. No it is one state. LT and EE are kind of 'back yard' of big
bosses
for GMO and other stuff to watch 'how they will react'.
Regards,
Andrius
daniloff
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
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On Jan 1, 7:35 pm, "daniloff" <mdanil...@yandex.ru> wrote:
> "Andrius" <ziniatink...@gmail.com> ???????/???????? ? ????????
> ?????????:news:85db9e60-4c6f-4626...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ...just some minutes ago.
> >http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/lietuva/po-26-eriu-metu-veiklos-...
>
> > Regards,
> > Andrius
>
> No wonder
> EU systematically kills indusries in Baltic coubtries.
> He need not any concurrents but sanitarian cordon around Russia only
>
Take some trips abroad and talk with people around Europe. "EU" is not
some personality to need or not need something - it is relatively
loose union with interests if individual countries running much higher
*******************************************
Maybe I need use term NATO?
then "common good". About industries - there is not too much industry
left in West. Production is cheaper in other places on Globe so
factories grow there, just head offices remain in West - that's
universal, not about Baltics.
***********************************************************
It would be right if Baltic countries had such amount of capital like for
example Germany.
But it is not true.
So they need produce something or work like footmen
About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
European business allways even in X century wanted from Russia raw
materials.
Now our bosses deliver them for free and trouble-free.
However if they would refuse to do that?
vello
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:39881037-b127-45ae...@k23g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 1, 7:35 pm, "daniloff" <mdanil...@yandex.ru> wrote:> "Andrius" <ziniatink...@gmail.com> ???????/???????? ? ????????
> > ?????????:news:85db9e60-4c6f-4626...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > ...just some minutes ago.
> > >http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/lietuva/po-26-eriu-metu-veiklos-...
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrius
>
> > No wonder
> > EU systematically kills indusries in Baltic coubtries.
> > He need not any concurrents but sanitarian cordon around Russia only
>
> Take some trips abroad and talk with people around Europe. "EU" is not
> some personality to need or not need something - it is relatively
> loose union with interests if individual countries running much higher
>
> *******************************************
> Maybe I need use term NATO?
NATO is a bit more integrated then EU but just a bit. By fundamental
papers of NATO any member must put at minimum 2% from GP into
military. But big part of member states have laughable military
expenditures about 0,5-1%. So if to be harsh, most countries must be
expelled from NATO for not fulfilling base agreements they undersigned
when they joined NATO.
>
> then "common good". About industries - there is not too much industry
> left in West. Production is cheaper in other places on Globe so
> factories grow there, just head offices remain in West - that's
> universal, not about Baltics.
>
> ***********************************************************
> It would be right if Baltic countries had such amount of capital like for
> example Germany.
> But it is not true.
> So they need produce something or work like footmen
"Western" world is producing ideas, not goods. Most hard and most well
paid part in any production is creating a productive idea. Physical
making of iPods, GPS receivers, computer chips runs mostly in cheap
countries.
>
> About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
> business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
> possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
> when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
>
> European business allways even in X century wanted from Russia raw
> materials.
> Now our bosses deliver them for free and trouble-free.
> However if they would refuse to do that?
There is nothing in Russia what you don't find in other places on
Earth. Russia sells maybe with a bit lower price tag then others - but
if the price for russian oil would be penny-by-penny the same as for
Norvegian and Arabian one, who would buy it?
daniloff
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
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I guess Baltic countries.are not producing ideas "Western" world a little
until now
>
> About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
> business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
> possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
> when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
>
> European business allways even in X century wanted from Russia raw
> materials.
> Now our bosses deliver them for free and trouble-free.
> However if they would refuse to do that?
There is nothing in Russia what you don't find in other places on
Earth. Russia sells maybe with a bit lower price tag then others - but
if the price for russian oil would be penny-by-penny the same as for
Norvegian and Arabian one, who would buy it?
******************************************************************************
Iraq reasons in such a way too
And were is that Iraq now?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> ...just some minutes ago.http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/lietuva/po-26-eriu-metu-veiklos-...
>
Killing a plant is not as bad as killing an animal.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:25abe10f-6d0c-493a...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
All those countries for whom the transport of the Russian oil is
cheaper than that of the Arabian and Norwegian oil, plus all those
countries that cannot get enough of the Arabian and Norwegian oil to
satisfy their demand. Economics 101.
vello
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:25abe10f-6d0c-493a...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> I guess Baltic countries.are not producing ideas "Western" world a little
> until now
You guess wrong. do you remember Kazaa, do you use Scype, know Joost?
All they created in Estonia giving jobs and bringing in money. Other
niche for small country like Estonia is making something what would be
too expencive if made in "Old Europe" and too expencive to import from
cheap countries - like wooden summer cottages you can put together
from ready parts in few days. All Norwegian seashore is full of such
cottages made in Estonia. .
>
>
>
> > About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
> > business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
> > possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
> > when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
>
> > European business allways even in X century wanted from Russia raw
> > materials.
> > Now our bosses deliver them for free and trouble-free.
> > However if they would refuse to do that?
>
> There is nothing in Russia what you don't find in other places on
> Earth. Russia sells maybe with a bit lower price tag then others - but
> if the price for russian oil would be penny-by-penny the same as for
> Norvegian and Arabian one, who would buy it?
>
> ******************************************************************************
> Iraq reasons in such a way too
> And were is that Iraq now?
Iraq was busy with occupying his neighbours. Old Estonians say: what
you plant, the same you will harvest.
>
vello
> > I guess Baltic countries.are not producing ideas "Western" world a little
> > until now
>
> > > About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
> > > business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
> > > possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
> > > when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
>
> > > European business allways even in X century wanted from Russia raw
> > > materials.
> > > Now our bosses deliver them for free and trouble-free.
> > > However if they would refuse to do that?
>
> > There is nothing in Russia what you don't find in other places on
> > Earth. Russia sells maybe with a bit lower price tag then others - but
> > if the price for russian oil would be penny-by-penny the same as for
> > Norvegian and Arabian one, who would buy it?
>
> All those countries for whom the transport of the Russian oil is
> cheaper than that of the Arabian and Norwegian oil, plus all those
> countries that cannot get enough of the Arabian and Norwegian oil to
>
> - Show quoted text -
True. Still there is one "price component" making Russian oil cheaper
- credibility. If you rely on Norvegian oil, you may be 100% sure that
no political calculations will intervene your business.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Norwegian - maybe. But I hope you realise that the Arab oil has been
historically much more unreliable and politcised than Russian/
Soviet. In fact, the Soviets not once used oil supplies for
political purposes.
But is the Russian oil indeed the cheapest? Where did you get your
price quotes?
daniloff
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And sure nuclear power plant hamper Kazaa, Scype and those cottages building
:-)
>
>
>
> > About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
> > business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
> > possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
> > when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
>
> > European business allways even in X century wanted from Russia raw
> > materials.
> > Now our bosses deliver them for free and trouble-free.
> > However if they would refuse to do that?
>
> There is nothing in Russia what you don't find in other places on
> Earth. Russia sells maybe with a bit lower price tag then others - but
> if the price for russian oil would be penny-by-penny the same as for
> Norvegian and Arabian one, who would buy it?
>
> ***************************************************************************�***
> Iraq reasons in such a way too
> And were is that Iraq now?
Iraq was busy with occupying his neighbours. Old Estonians say: what
you plant, the same you will harvest.
But Baltics are busy with occupying their "apatrides"
And Old Russians say too.
One see a speck in the white of one's eye but do not notice a log in his
owne eye.
vello
from Russian media mostly, but idea that Russia sells cheap is someway
"universal" (what not means it may be totally wrong:-)) Yes, Arabian
oil have been often politically manipulated, well, mostly 20 and more
years ago. And they share with russia the same future component - no
one is sure how Arabia/Russia will look like after, say 20 or 50
years.
So someway it is wise to pay brits and norwegians some extra money
for being sure.
vello
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:3b3349a0-31c6-4b7c...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> And sure nuclear power plant hamper Kazaa, Scype and those cottages building
> :-)
?!?!? What you mean? Govt is planning to build a nuclear plant in
Estonia (on Suur-Pakri island) but it is still open question. I don't
think nuclear energy would "hamper" technology development, I
personally support building of nuclear plant. For today, Estonian
energy sector relies mostly on oil-shale what is heavy on environment.
So nukes would mean greener and cleaner Estonia.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > About "cordon sanitaire", it's 21, not 19th century, What big European
> > > business wants from Russia is gas, oil and raw materials - as cheap as
> > > possible. EU in his pathetic form wants maybe a bit more unity but
> > > when idealism and Big Money are fighting, quess who will win?
>
> > > European business allways even in X century wanted from Russia raw
> > > materials.
> > > Now our bosses deliver them for free and trouble-free.
> > > However if they would refuse to do that?
>
> > There is nothing in Russia what you don't find in other places on
> > Earth. Russia sells maybe with a bit lower price tag then others - but
> > if the price for russian oil would be penny-by-penny the same as for
> > Norvegian and Arabian one, who would buy it?
>
> > ******************************************************************************
> > Iraq reasons in such a way too
> > And were is that Iraq now?
>
> Iraq was busy with occupying his neighbours. Old Estonians say: what
> you plant, the same you will harvest.
>
> But Baltics are busy with occupying their "apatrides"
> And Old Russians say too.
> One see a speck in the white of one's eye but do not notice a log in his
> owne eye.
Do you really imagine we could handle our russian-speaking countrymen
in way like Saddam kurds or Putin chechens? what one ethnic russian
may lack in Estonia is possibility to live without knowing any other
language except mother tongue. But what can we do about it?
daniloff
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
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> ***************************************************************************�*************
> And sure nuclear power plant hamper Kazaa, Scype and those cottages
> building
> :-)
?!?!? What you mean? Govt is planning to build a nuclear plant in
Estonia (on Suur-Pakri island) but it is still open question. I don't
think nuclear energy would "hamper" technology development, I
personally support building of nuclear plant. For today, Estonian
energy sector relies mostly on oil-shale what is heavy on environment.
So nukes would mean greener and cleaner Estonia.
*****************************************************************************
I mean Ignalina's nuclear power plant.
*****************************************************************************
You can do much but do not want.
vello
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:36cedbb1-60af-40c7...@35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ****************************************************************************************
> > And sure nuclear power plant hamper Kazaa, Scype and those cottages
> > building
> > :-)
>
> ?!?!? What you mean? Govt is planning to build a nuclear plant in
> Estonia (on Suur-Pakri island) but it is still open question. I don't
> think nuclear energy would "hamper" technology development, I
> personally support building of nuclear plant. For today, Estonian
> energy sector relies mostly on oil-shale what is heavy on environment.
> So nukes would mean greener and cleaner Estonia.
>
>
> I mean Ignalina's nuclear power plant.
>
>
> Do you really imagine we could handle our russian-speaking countrymen
> in way like Saddam kurds or Putin chechens? what one ethnic russian
> may lack in Estonia is possibility to live without knowing any other
> language except mother tongue. But what can we do about it?
>
> You can do much but do not want.
>
daniloff
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
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On Jan 3, 5:42 pm, "daniloff" <mdanil...@yandex.ru> wrote:
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ????????
> ?????????:news:36cedbb1-60af-40c7...@35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ***************************************************************************��*************
> > And sure nuclear power plant hamper Kazaa, Scype and those cottages
> > building
> > :-)
>
> ?!?!? What you mean? Govt is planning to build a nuclear plant in
> Estonia (on Suur-Pakri island) but it is still open question. I don't
> think nuclear energy would "hamper" technology development, I
> personally support building of nuclear plant. For today, Estonian
> energy sector relies mostly on oil-shale what is heavy on environment.
> So nukes would mean greener and cleaner Estonia.
>
> ***************************************************************************�**
>
> I mean Ignalina's nuclear power plant.
>
But it is (well, was) in Lithuania?.
Helas! It was
>
> Do you really imagine we could handle our russian-speaking countrymen
> in way like Saddam kurds or Putin chechens? what one ethnic russian
> may lack in Estonia is possibility to live without knowing any other
> language except mother tongue. But what can we do about it?
>
> ***************************************************************************�**
> You can do much but do not want.
>
do what? To learn russian and turn Estonia to russian-speaking nation?
To enter civilized family of European countries and make Russian as an other
official language as did Finland with Swedish occupants language
vello
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:75664ebb-570e-4780...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
people speaking swedish, too. Keeping some official status of Swedish
is highly symbolic value. For Estonia, those who argue for official
status for Russian are people not speaking estonian and not wanting to
speak it in the future. So this way Estonia would be monolingual
russian :-) Do you know even one country in the world where bilingual
model really works?
daniloff
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
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Canada?
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:news:1fe81da7-c50c-4b28...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
No. There is no bilingual province in Canada except New Brunswick. The
language policy in Quebec is in some aspects harsher than in Estonia
or Latvia. The model works only because it's a huge federation where
most policies are left up to the provinces. And even so, the
linguistic environment is far better for French in Quebec than it is
for the titular languages in Estonia or Latvia (+, French is a major
language).
If the question is asked with any seriousness -- Vello is right. The
only societies where multilingualism of the kind radical Russian
chauvinists ask for "works" are territorially divided. Languages do
not mix very well, no matter how one might like them to.
/P
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> On Jan 3, 1:00 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 1:52 am, vello <vellok...@hot.ee> wrote:
> > > On Jan 3, 9:04 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> > > <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 2, 1:53 pm, "daniloff" <mdanil...@yandex.ru> wrote:
>
> > > > > "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee>
>
> > > > > Earth. Russia sells maybe with a bit lower price tag then others - but
> > > > > if the price for russian oil would be penny-by-penny the same as for
> > > > > Norvegian and Arabian one, who would buy it?
>
> > > > All those countries for whom the transport of the Russian oil is
> > > > cheaper than that of the Arabian and Norwegian oil, plus all those
> > > > countries that cannot get enough of the Arabian and Norwegian oil to
> > > > satisfy their demand. Economics 101.
>
> > > - credibility. If you rely on Norvegian oil, you may be 100% sure that
> > > no political calculations will intervene your business.
>
> > Norwegian - maybe. But I hope you realise that the Arab oil has been
> > historically much more unreliable and politcised than Russian/
> > Soviet. In fact, the Soviets not once used oil supplies for
> > political purposes.
>
> > But is the Russian oil indeed the cheapest? Where did you get your
> > price quotes?
>
> from Russian media mostly, but idea that Russia sells cheap is someway
> "universal" (what not means it may be totally wrong:-))
>
> for being sure.
>
The reason why the Russian gas and oil may be cheap is again Economics
101: afaik, all Russian gas and oil pipelines go to Europe. Thus as EU
acts in a fairly united way, it has a “consumer monopoly” over Russian
oil and gas and can dictate to Russia cheap prices.
And while exercising this monopoly over Russia, Europe adds insult to
injury by constantly complaining that Russia is a “monopolist”, that
Russia constantly blackmails Europe through gas, and that Russia is a
“rogue country”, and threatening to go with the “reliable and
unpoliticised” gas and oil from “democratic” Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Russia’s gas and oil industries are at the total mercy of EU and of
the transit robbers: Ukraine and Belarus, with EU always taking the
anti-Russian side in these business conflicts.
It appears that there is only one solution that will make everybody in
the World happy: Russia should connect its gas to the Central Asian
pipeline to China, and auction off its gas among various European and
Asian countries, like Japan, China and Korea. Let the free market
rule.
Russia will be pleasantly surprised that when EU is no longer in
monopolistic control over Russian gas and has to compete for it, it
will suddenly gain profound respect for Russia and its gas.
>
> Yes, Arabian
> oil have been often politically manipulated, well, mostly 20 and more
> years ago.
>
Here is an example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_embargo
1973 oil crisis
The 1973 oil crisis started in October 1973, when the members of
Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries or the OAPEC
(consisting of the Arab members of OPEC, plus Egypt and Syria)
proclaimed an oil embargo "in response to the U.S. decision to re-
supply the Israeli military" during the Yom Kippur war; it lasted
until March 1974.[1] OAPEC declared it would limit or stop oil
shipments to the United States and other countries if they supported
Israel in the conflict. With the US actions seen as initiating the oil
embargo, the long-term possibility of embargo-related high oil prices,
disrupted supply and recession, created a strong rift within NATO;
both European nations and Japan sought to disassociate themselves from
the US Middle East policy.
>
> And they share with russia the same future component - no
> one is sure how Arabia/Russia will look like after, say 20 or 50
> years.
>
What is ‘Arabia/Russia’? Saudi Arabia and Russia are diametrically
opposite in terms of geography, culture and size and have a totally
different past, present and future.
This is no more valid than talking about what ‘India/Estonia” will
look like in 20 or 50 years.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
And Poland occupied a part of Czechoslovakia in 1938. But did that
give Hitler the right to occupy Poland in 1939?
>
> Old Estonians say: what
> you plant, the same you will harvest.
>
Thanks, Vello, for explaining to us that this famous Bible quote comes
from Estonia:
http://bible.cc/galatians/6-7.htm
Galatians 6:7
Whatever you plant is what you'll harvest.
Whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
vello
Hardly. russia was not happy with pipelines built in cooperation with
China to carry gas from Central Asia to China. It was more comfortable
to dictate gas prices to Central asia and sell that gas for higher
price in Europe.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
False. The fact that Central Asian gas is now flowing to China is of
advantage to Russia, because this diverts and reduces the amount of
gas flowing to Europe, thus driving up the price that Europe will pay
for the Russian gas.
daniloff
"Peteris Cedrins (Peteris Cedrins)" <ced...@gmail.com> ???????/???????? ?
???????? ?????????:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
Canada's two official languages are English and French. Official
bilingualism is defined in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the
Official Languages Act, and Official Language Regulations; it is applied by
the Commissioner of Official Languages. English and French have equal status
in federal courts, Parliament, and in all federal institutions. Citizens
have the right, where there is sufficient demand, to receive federal
government services in either English or French, and official-language
minorities are guaranteed their own schools in all provinces and
territories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland
Languages
Main articles: Languages of Ireland, Irish language, Hiberno-English, and
Mid Ulster English
The official languages are Irish and English. Teaching of the Irish and
English languages is compulsory in the primary and secondary level schools
that receive money and recognition from the state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_in_Scotland
Main language English (Scottish English)
Officially recognised regional languages Gaelic, Scots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain
Official languages Spanish
Recognised regional languages Aranese, Basque, Catalan/Valencian and
Galician
In some autonomous communities, Aranese (Occitan), Basque,
Catalan/Valencian, and Galician are co-official languages. Bable and Leonese
are officially recognised
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Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> "Peteris Cedrins (Peteris Cedrins)" <cedr...@gmail.com> ???????/???????? ?
I suspect that what most Russian-speakers in Latvia want is for the
Russian language to be treated the way Swedish is treated in Finland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland
Finnish-speakers 92 %
Swedish-speakers 5.6 %
Languages
* Finnish language 91.51% (official)
* Swedish language 5.49% (official)
* Russian language 0.80%
* Sami languages 0.03% (semi-official)
The Finnish and Swedish languages are defined as languages of the
state. Additionally, in local municipalities with significant Swedish
populations, Swedish is also a municipal official language.
vello
> "Peteris Cedrins (Peteris Cedrins)" <cedr...@gmail.com> ???????/???????? ?
working language. Do you think it is possible to operate in Canada in
french outside of Quebec? Or for pain, Catalan outside of Catalania?
I'm 101% sure russian is much more supported in Estonia then any
language mentioned by you in their countries. There are state financed
russian schools everywhere, not just in Narva and Tallinn, where 90%
of our russians live. Most official texts do have russian variants,
too. So if you bring those countries as role moels for Estonia, using
their practice would mean cutting use of russian in Estonia by very
big part.
daniloff
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
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Sure. But any from mentioned countries do have de facto just one
working language. Do you think it is possible to operate in Canada in
french outside of Quebec? Or for pain, Catalan outside of Catalania?
I'm 101% sure russian is much more supported in Estonia then any
language mentioned by you in their countries. There are state financed
russian schools everywhere, not just in Narva and Tallinn, where 90%
of our russians live. Most official texts do have russian variants,
too. So if you bring those countries as role moels for Estonia, using
their practice would mean cutting use of russian in Estonia by very
big part.
Sure you are right.
It is not your case.
Anything always hinder bad danser.
Great balls for example :-)
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vello
> "vello" <vellok...@hot.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
sorry, I don't get what you want to say?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Are French-Canadians denied Canadian citizenship if they don't speak
English? Are Catalunians denied Spanish citizenship if they don't
speak Spanish?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Are French-Canadians denied Canadian citizenship if they don't speak
Tadas Blinda
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Are French-Canadians denied Canadian citizenship if they don't speak
> English? Are Catalonians denied Spanish citizenship if they don't
> speak Spanish?
No, but they sure as hell are treated as second-class citizens.
Exactly as is the case with any unfortunate citizens of the Russian
Federation who do not speak Russian but only their native language
(e.g. Chechen, Tatar, Baškir, Jakut, etc.)
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> On Jan 6, 8:11 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Are French-Canadians denied Canadian citizenship if they don't speak
> > English? Are Catalonians denied Spanish citizenship if they don't
> > speak Spanish?
>
> No, but they sure as hell are treated as second-class citizens.
>
Then the Russian-speaking Latvians are justified in asking that all of
them be given Latvian citizenship, even those who don't speak Latvian
well, right?
Tadas Blinda
> > > English? Are Catalonians denied Spanish citizenship if they don't
> > > speak Spanish?
On Jan 6, 8:40 pm, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
> > No, but they sure as hell are treated as second-class citizens.
> > Exactly as is the case with any unfortunate citizens of the Russian
> > Federation who do not speak Russian but only their native language
> > (e.g. Chechen, Tatar, Baškir, Jakut, etc.)
On Jan 7, 1:52 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Then the Russian-speaking Latvians are justified in asking that all of
> them be given Latvian citizenship, even those who don't speak Latvian
> well, right?
All I am willing to say is that the Seimas of the Republic of
Lithuania saw fit to grant automatic citizenship to everyone that was
a legal permanent resident of Lithuania in 1991. (This excluded
Soviet Army personnel.) But as we know, there were a lot fewer
Russian-speakers in Lithuania than in the other two Baltic countries.
vello
language if you ask for citizenship. your ethnic background is in most
cases totally unimportant.
vello
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 6, 8:40 pm, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 6, 8:11 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> > <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Are French-Canadians denied Canadian citizenship if they don't speak
> > > English? Are Catalonians denied Spanish citizenship if they don't
> > > speak Spanish?
>
> > No, but they sure as hell are treated as second-class citizens.
>
> Then the Russian-speaking Latvians are justified in asking that all of
> them be given Latvian citizenship, even those who don't speak Latvian
> well, right?
>
nature. Problem is with immigrants entering Latvia illegally when
Latvia was occupied by Soviet Union.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Wow. You are being reasonable towards Russian-speakers.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Wow. You are being reasonable towards Russian-speakers.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
If the Soviet citizens - including Georgians - who entered Latvian SSR
65 years ago, are "illegal", then wouldn't the Soviet citizens -
including Georgians - who entered Abkhazian ASSR 65 years ago, also be
"illegals"?
vello
Don't know. It depends on legislation of independent Abkhazian state -
if such exists back then. for Russia, how much I know serving in
Wermacht won't give you an automatic SU citizenship
lorad
Eat some depleted uranium.
daniloff
!!!!!You are uno mutante!!!!!
!Que horror!